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Collecting Whisky with The Collectors Club · Whisky Stories Podcast

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  Right, Angus, you know what to do.
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  Clap us in. Welcome to the Whiskey Stories
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  podcast. It's very, very transparent on
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  the site. It'll tell you how long you've
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  got left to enter, it'll tell you how much the tickets cost
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  and how many tickets there are. So I think, I think it's quite
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  important to, like you've already said, respect the
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  collecting side, but respect the drinking side.
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  And me and John are right in the middle.
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  Yeah. And we, we, we do a bit of both.
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  We've done a bit of both. And we've also had that thing.
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  Let's collect that. Let's collect that.
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  When you get that special occasion, like you said, go,
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  then let's get open, you know? Welcome along the Whiskey
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  Stories podcast with myself, Graeme Cogar.
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  We are back in the athletic arms, back in Diggers, back when
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  it all began, Ross. And we are in the snug.
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  How are you feeling, Ross? We're not in the snug.
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  Well, this is a snug. Is this the big the?
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  Duggets the weird. Room.
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  The Duggets are very good. We're in the snug.
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  Well, feeling fantastic, cause actually for once we're not all
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  pressed up against each. Other well, I don't know, this
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  is keeping a bit closer to me these days.
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  Angus. How are you, pal?
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  I'm I'm very well, very well. Indeed.
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  Excellent. It's Boxing Day it.
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  Is exactly, Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm in Northern Ireland, so it's
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  even more remarkable a beer. So it's safe to say that we've
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  been recording a few podcasts. Early the time, we're just
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  trying to get stuff like. You're listening to this I've.
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  Broken the 4th wall already. Got it where it is.
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  Well, if you are listening to this, it's Boxing Day.
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  I, I was actually hoping you'd probably be having a better
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  Boxing Day than to sit down and go, I need to listen to the
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  Whiskey Stories podcast, but we're here.
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  Absolutely. I'll tell you what lads, I've
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  got my Spotify wrapped out today and the podcast was involved,
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  yes. And Drew, how lovely it was to
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  see top of the podcast, Joe Rogan podcast, then second
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  Whiskey Stories podcast. It was just brilliant.
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  Totally fantastic. But obviously it was quite cool.
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  See my wee logo on Spotify? Like, that's really cool.
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  We're fast approaching 10,000 downloads.
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  Well, I mean, by the time this goes out, I'd say we've probably
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  hit 15,000 downloads Here's hoping Now we just need that one
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  viral clip just to go. But no, we it's been, it's been
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  great. But we are joined by a couple of
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  guests. We've got the Lang boys not.
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  Brothers, not brothers. Established.
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  They're not brothers. We've got John Lang and Scott
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  Lang from the Collectors club competitions.
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  How we doing, lads? Yeah, brilliant.
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  Good to be here. Honoured to be here mate.
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  Yeah, thanks. For having.
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  Us Thanks for coming through in Edinburgh for years.
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  We right through in Edinburgh. I've been through from the from
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  the West Coast, Yeah, but. On Boxing Day.
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  I know what the trains are. Shuffle the.
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  Price exactly. Everyone had a good Christmas in
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  there. That was great.
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  I'm stuffed. So what drams we got in front of
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  us today lads? Right.
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  Well, I think we've all probably got some sort of of the same at
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  some point between Ross, Angus and myself.
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  I don't know about you guys. What I will say is I'm starting
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  on as we're recording this, the soon to be sold out Whiskey
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  Stories podcast 25 year old blend that way actually as of
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  recording launched last week. Great drum.
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  One of 69 bottles. One of 69.
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  Bottles 3.9%. I heard there's only one left.
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  I think, I think that's that's I there's a good chance, yeah.
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  Yeah, by. The time this podcast, I mean
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  hens teeth. Hens teeth is what we would call
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  it nice. So flying off the shelf sound.
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  Oh. Flying and you can.
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  You can't even hear the bottle touching the ground.
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  And also, you've got 3 Sherry drums tonight.
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  I've got a very. Surely makes sense 'cause you
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  are the Sherry. Tart.
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  Not a smoky one inside to be honest.
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  But yeah, I think I have gone for a line up here because as we
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  are recording, there's been some interesting movement going on
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  and I want to get a bit of information on this because I
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  don't know what's going on here, but there's been a lot of
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  chatting. I think Angus is actually,
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  you've had this on the podcast before.
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  We've got the signatory space Side M 1300% proof. 100 proof,
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  100 proof, The old British proof which is 57.1%.
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  Yeah, back when the good old days.
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  But anyway, so the chart or is that signatory space side
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  brackets? M is an independently bottled
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  Macallan, but they cannot say it is.
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  But for all intents and purposes, everyone's kind of
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  going nod, nod, wink, wink. Because you could have done it.
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  It could be a Manic Moor or a Milton Duffin will have done
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  very well. Yeah.
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  Because everybody else is getting excited and caught and
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  thinking it's Macallan. Yeah, but it's certainly the
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  space side M just like they're doing Orkney HP yeah, believed
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  Ivy Highland Park and it's believed to be an undisclosed
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  space side that's from the Macallan distillery.
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  And so this was a 2010 13 year old at cash strength at
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  exceptional value, which is why every is, you know, bringing
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  their knickers for it because it's just something a wee bit
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  special. Absolutely.
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  And beside it I have Woodrow's Highland Brackets.
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  Mother Lover. Yes. close brackets, 101 proof
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  from the A Race to the Bottom edition.
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  Yeah. So Friends of the Podcast,
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  Woodrow's, Yeah, we've had the debate in the podcast because
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  we've had a whole range of independent butlers on from a
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  publicly owned SMWS to Fragrant Drops and Woodrow's who have
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  been relatively new and upstarting.
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  And obviously you've done the independent Butler spotlights
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  with some brilliant brands as well.
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  This is an example. And it says they've got a
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  gravestone on the label and it says RIP too.
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  And there's the We Indies, basically the NDNDS, because an
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  independent bottler and an ND bottler have become quite
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  different. Well, that's the we, we've
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  talked and yes, about this a few times where we've said what is
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  it? We've talked about distilleries
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  becoming established and distinct.
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  You know, when do you become and stop being a new distillery?
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  But one of the other questions we've often asked is, are you or
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  when do you become an independent bottler?
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  And when are you an indie bottler?
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  So the answer is they're all independent, but some of them
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  own distilleries or some of them are owned by groups who also
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  have distilleries. And so this example, Signatory
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  is probably a bigger brand than Edward Hour globally, right?
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  Yep. I'm a big fan of Edward Hour and
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  Balakan and stuff that they produce, but Signatory is a
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  global independent bottling brand and so they're able to
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  produce fantastic liquid like the one you're enjoying.
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  Whereas I think what Woody's doing here, I believe it pretty
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  much cost price. He's actually managed to get
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  cheaper and just kind of show that, you know, these guys
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  aren't able to squeeze, just like distilleries are able to
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  squeeze the markets and control the markets.
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  They're kind of doing it with independent bottling as well.
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  So if you're able to produce high quality Sherry oak
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  Macallan, let's just assume that's what it is for a cheap
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  price. People with the parcels of stock
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  of Sherry Macallan are going. How's that?
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  We thought that was our golden opportunity.
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  We thought we're going to make about my profit and so they have
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  to do it. So this has been a really
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  unusual and very authentic bottling from Woodrow's and I've
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  got tasted yet either, but I've got one of them as well.
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  But it's not it's, it's not, it's not my car.
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  And he's put out. It's mother lover.
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  No, but it's also a highland he's put because space, you
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  know, signature space side. OK, crossover there.
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  Yeah. However, however, the, the
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  thoughts are that and because you could never really know, for
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  example, Glenfarclist, every single bottle in Farclist has
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  the word highland on it, doesn't have the word space side on it.
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  OK. And so there's loads of
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  different things with labeling. And you know, Jaycad Cook was
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  speaking to recently and ex guest of the pod and blender
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  free MacLeod. He actually was on the SW's
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  recent meeting about labeling and font sizes and what you're
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  allowed to do and what you're not allowed to do.
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  And the answer is there's a lot you're not allowed to do.
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  Yeah. So whether it's Highlander space
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  sides, etcetera, etcetera, where they where is actually from, we
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  don't know. Right.
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  I guess what have you got? Well.
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  I was going to say, have you ever seen another bottle of
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  gravestone on it? Another bottle of a gravestone,
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  Yeah. Because I was going to say,
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  there's a lot you're not allowed to do.
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  Woody's probably. Yeah, that is true.
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  I can imagine Woody's trying to do as much as he can.
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  That's a good point. I've just known to get in
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  trouble. I've seen some, I've seen some
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  German independent bottlons have had kind of headless horsemen
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  and graveyards and stuff on them.
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  Really, really unusual. The the fragrance drop fragrant
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  drops, well, fragrant. Drops, obviously they've done.
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  Their drops have done all. Their Maggie Thatcher.
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  And like the wicked. Word.
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  Yeah, isn't it as close? They were being quite out there
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  with that, although they disclosed that the podcast.
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  If you don't know what we're talking about, go back and
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  listen to the frequent Drops podcast and Rachel and George
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  tell you some of the little hints and and tweaks that are on
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  their labels actually like the historical event.
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  But it's a good point. I don't think I've seen IP
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  independent bottlers or we Indies on their own label before
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  I've ever seen anything like that.
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  That's. What's great about Woody, we've
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  had we've had Woody and Megan on the podcast a couple of times.
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  They've been sort of cameo appearances at different
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  festivals and stuff like that. But one of the things is like
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  Woodrow's of Edinburgh. I was actually overheard a
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  conversation in this pub with two old boys talking about
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  Woodrow's and they're like, oh, that there's this new thing and
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  he's talking about Woodrow's of Edinburgh.
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  I said, you know, they just they've got this Brandon
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  Woodrow's of Edinburgh and then they just strap.
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  It's no Pesh. It's that kind of like Woody's
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  one of these great guys that he's very, very, very talented
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  at picking up casks and producing very, very good liquid
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  from the cast that he gets. He's also a great guy in the
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  sense that he's he's Azzy company.
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  He's probably as. Authentic as he did.
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  Yeah, he's good. You know it's.
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  Just that. But what about yourself?
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  Slides. What are you guys?
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  What are you guys drumming? John, what are you on?
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  Yeah, I, so I think we're both on the same thing.
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  So we're on the the like side name here.
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  So this is the first full Sherry release, right?
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  It's I think this one's 50%. I I think we released this.
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  Year, did you pay for that over the bar or did you did you guys?
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  Just. 40. Six so so the so I actually
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  picked this one out. John's got a couple here.
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  He picked them, I picked them. But the reason I can pick this
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  one out where I live now and where the kind of the
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  collector's club originated, that's our local distillery,
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  Clyde said. We went there when we were first
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  getting into Busky. That wasn't built yet, but it
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  was it, it was kind of getting built.
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  We can follow the progress of it and stuff like that.
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  The stop cross release got better and better and better
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  because they released it after three years, but then they kept
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  bottling as it was, as it was getting older.
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  So, so you can see the colour developing, but still as a
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  release. And the Napier one, it's one of
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  my drums of of this year's, right?
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  Fantastic. Well, what are you gonna say?
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  But you like, Yeah, I mean they're.
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  Still like the clayside are still at that non age statement.
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  Yeah, you know they're still there.
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  I think they're working on working towards the 10 working
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  towards the 12, but so that's they're bringing it some good
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  drums. I think they've just got a
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  they've got a new committee they're doing recently and
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  they're bringing out a new bottle for that.
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  So I and I as you said, the Napier and the the stock crossed
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  but. It's a great choice.
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  I I visited distillery earlier this year lads and I actually
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  hadn't had much of the liquid previously and.
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  And it's stunning. Yeah, it's really, really good.
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  The stories get the locations awesome as well and.
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  The, the, the I don't know if you've done the tour or not, but
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  the, the history behind it as well.
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  There was like a, it seemed like a big clock to yeah.
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  And then John will probably no more of this with me, but it was
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  an old like a kind of almost like a like a, a, a stopping
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  barge for customs and yeah, stuff like.
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  That. Yeah, that's up.
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  Basically there used to be warehouses that would surround
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  the whole the right side and all the boats and stuff would come
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  in and they're not used to basically be the the customs,
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  the next size office. Yeah.
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  And the tower. Would be where the boat would go
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  and. And fantastic.
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  And still still runs all glass. What you got, guys?
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  Tobacco. Whiskey.
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  Whatever. So when we eventually make it to
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  the West Coast to do a podcast, 'cause we're not actually
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  recording a podcast. Just do it.
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  Just do it in the clay side. We get a barge, we can do
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  another night. Yeah, just jump in at Fountain
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  Park and we get a barge straight through, right?
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  It's the. Version of the The Swedish
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  Whiskey Cruise. Is that, is that a booze cruise?
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  That yeah, that's stuck at the vocal wheel.
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  See. The.
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  See the Clay St. distillery? It might have been a building
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  close to it, but I think that before it used to be some kind
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  of Curry karaoke. Place I.
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  Think I went. Sounds right.
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  I think I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what this was
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  years ago before it was even a thing.
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  And it may have been a the bone next to it.
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  Pretty sure when I was in I seen the steeple thing.
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  We're in for a Curry or a karaoke and everyone I Remember
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  Me, my pal left. Yeah, we went, we went straight
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  to the SEC after it for a faithless gig and.
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  It was a great night. I'm I appreciate the building
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  much more now, but of course, but it was.
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  I guess I'm not. What are you, drama?
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  So I I am drowning the woodrows from from as as Kev described.
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  The mother lover. The mother lover from a
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  distillery that looks like Teletubby Land and it's got
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  yeah, the one we were talking about.
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  So yeah, I've got I've. Got that and I've got one more.
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  You got the Woodies one as well, Ross.
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  I I do. You're Am I the only one with
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  the signatory? Yes, but I've I've got a, I've
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  got a Macduff and tried Cara as well as tree.
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  Cara. And.
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  Tree Cara. And tree.
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  Cara tree Cara I did know. I did know that from the
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  podcast. And Ryan's been cussing you.
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  2010 13 year olds from Glen Devon, which is which is a
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  treat. I honestly, I came in today, I
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  was on a wee bit late and I just asked the fantastic bar staff
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  here at Diggers. I said just pick a bottle off
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  the shelf and I'll take it. Did you pick the closest one?
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  No, she's got the ladder up to the whiskey Bridge.
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  Fortunately it didn't cost me an arm, the legs and and it's
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  something I wouldn't have picked myself.
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  And so that's quite fun, I think.
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  That's a great thing about when you're here and and all that
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  you, you really do get an opportunity to.
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  I've set out, I think we were, we were talking about it on the
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  last episode that we recorded with Simon Smith.
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  And I've sort of said that since moving to Edinburgh and being
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  only 800 odd yards away from this pub.
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  Dangerous. Yeah, it is.
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  But also it's, it's very fortunate on buying bottles,
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  sure, but what it also means is that in the bottle collection,
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  I've got it actually, it ages, the journey I've been on in the
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  whiskey drinking process. Yeah #1 because I've drank a lot
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  more expensive whiskeys. So I'm tight, I'm too tight to
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  buy them now. So why we've probably got you
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  guys on. We'll lead on in that nicely.
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  But at the same time, you know, it shows you where kind of when
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  I was living in Kirkcaldy before moving to Edinburgh, where my
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  whiskey drinking was at the time, moving through to
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  Edinburgh and then start. Name brands, actual bottlings,
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  etcetera, etcetera and. You look at that bridge, you can
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  suddenly just say, and I've done that myself before, Ross.
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  As I've just said, if you're going up there, I've.
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  Take. Tag me something a woodies of
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  that or a tree Carter this and then said and just pick me
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  another one yeah and I don't mind what it is because now
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  we've got you you just know and also when you're up there with
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  the brands that he's bringing in you just you know you know
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  you're going to get a good. Brand I've not had as much Tree
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  Carter as you lads, but it's very nice.
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  Yeah. And I guess that's where we get
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  started into how the hell did you boys end up getting into
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  whiskey? Because you're not from.
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  Whiskey, No, no, no. So, no.
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  So we, we like, like you say, we didn't start in whiskey.
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  We're both kind of construction kind of oil and gas backgrounds.
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  So so it was 2016 or so when we first started I I first started
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  giving whiskey a go and John was actually into later than me then
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  then propelled himself way further forward.
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  But he is now in his frisky journey.
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  But it was my my old man who's sadly no longer with us.
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  He, he got into whiskey with one of his friends for investment,
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  didn't really buy that much of it.
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  He bought the the odd bottle. And when I say investment, I
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  don't mean crazy bottles, I mean like distillery exclusive
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  releases. Maybe the odds are big
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  committee, maybe that's the £100 bottle that could escalate over
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  time. And the reason he knew to buy
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  that was from his friend Stuart at the time.
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  So his friend Stuart is a big collector and has had all, all
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  the big bottles. The Stuart, he wouldn't mind me
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  saying this actually, he, his kind of fascination is with
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  whiskey and he, he no longer drinks for obvious reasons.
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  And that's his thing. He collects whiskey and and
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  that's that's his buzz from it. So, so my so my dad introduced
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  me to Stuart and, and, and, and John was me and John were best
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  pals forever, right? So anything I did, John did.
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  So my dad got us in tour with Stuart and he says, oh, I'm
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  clicking this click now. So that's when I started to kind
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  of try a couple of whiskeys. John was more than a gin.
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  John will tell you in a few minutes.
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  He was actually having a quote making gin at the time.
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  Yeah, I was. I was, I was going to start a
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  gin brand. It was called Fallow Gin and I
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  was actually distilling. Gin and Ma it was.
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  Quite good to know my kitchen completely illegally.
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  I think I'd say aye. He's distilled.
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  Responsibly. But yeah, he's, he's still in
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  your kitchen responsibly. But yeah, I was, you know, just
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  quickly I was basically redistilling vodka because vodka
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  is pretty much the closest thing you'll get to neutral grain
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  spirit pretty much. So I was adding, you know,
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  juniper of that and all sorts of herbs and stuff.
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  And then read the still in it, putting in.
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  And if it's particularly and then particularly unique that
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  you're putting in there just a week?
• 16:34
  No, I think I was just trying. To like, I was going, yeah,
• 16:38
  because it was phallic. Gin is like it's a like in a
• 16:41
  valley next to Loch Lomond. Right.
• 16:43
  So I would go there and try and pick some Heather and use that
• 16:46
  to try integrate that and the spirit and then put that in the
• 16:50
  gym essentially. So I.
• 16:51
  Did you produce bottles of it? No, no, I did make.
• 16:57
  I did. Make bottles right, so I did I
• 16:59
  made I made my own label This is like and it leads us on to like
• 17:02
  the the website and stuff like that, all the design stuff so I
• 17:05
  made my own labels and. Gave away a few.
• 17:07
  Bottles like you know Ross, you want to.
• 17:09
  Be bought. Love that.
• 17:10
  You know what I mean? And then it just kind of faded,
• 17:12
  faded off got into whiskey. Aye, so, so, so the reason, the
• 17:15
  reason I kind of said about the the gin thing was that we went
• 17:20
  to, I said to John, all my dad's taking me up to his pal
• 17:23
  Stewart's and place. He's got he's got this lovely
• 17:26
  display of loads of whiskies and he's, he's going to put on
• 17:28
  whiskey tasting for us. We can elaborate like young boys
• 17:31
  at the time, mid 20s. You love going to the pub
• 17:33
  anyway. You're having a having a beer,
• 17:35
  having a couple of these, have a giant tonic, watching the game,
• 17:37
  going to the nightclub, whatever it may be.
• 17:39
  I'm going to go up here on a Saturday afternoon and on the
• 17:42
  whiskey. What's this collection like?
• 17:43
  I mean, how do you know what alls were talking?
• 17:46
  I mean in just this wall to wall in terms of how it like takes up
• 17:49
  a whole room sort. Of Oh my, I whole room wall to
• 17:52
  wall and, and, and Stuart is, is, is very, very OCD.
• 17:57
  He's got he's, you know, mirrored cabinets all all the
• 17:59
  way round. OCD.
• 17:59
  So then it is in this yes. Oh, no, no.
• 18:03
  That, but I guess I'm like, you're talking or is it I'm
• 18:05
  talking, yes, that's credit card he's had ever since he started
• 18:10
  displaying whiskeys. And I'm talking cardboard bottle
• 18:13
  stop, cardboard bottle stop box, cardboard bottle stop in between
• 18:17
  where we are. And it's phenomenal.
• 18:19
  Yeah, it's phenomenal. So him being like that.
• 18:21
  Anyway, it wasn't just let's go up to Stewart's and get a couple
• 18:25
  of drums. We went up and we had, you know,
• 18:26
  those A4 sheets of paper. You can write these notes on it.
• 18:29
  6 pieces of that 6 drum glasses. Yeah.
• 18:31
  And he gave us the he gave us the John was actually, he said,
• 18:35
  how come he, I, why not go to the pub after it would be all
• 18:37
  good. And he says, can you ask him if
• 18:40
  he's got any gin? That's an exchange, I think.
• 18:42
  I think so right now I'll just have the gin, but I'll come and
• 18:45
  go for a bit of Johnny went up. He did the tasting and all that
• 18:48
  he put on the canal. What's what's the kind of entry?
• 18:51
  6 drums? That you got a journey around
• 18:52
  Scotland, Region says. Yes, that's the one.
• 18:54
  Yes, that's the exact numbers Abalur.
• 18:56
  I can't remember the other one I but it was the one where the
• 18:57
  dolphin anal and it ends up ends up at like.
• 18:59
  Scotia and all. That kind of basic entry level
• 19:03
  stuff. Brilliant.
• 19:03
  So I was kind of going through and John is John was possibly
• 19:07
  the time I just met this guy for the first time.
• 19:09
  I'm not going to ask for a gin and tonic because we got there
• 19:11
  and he put on a fuel on tasting. Wow, too late night.
• 19:13
  We better disrespect this and go for it.
• 19:14
  Yeah, walking in a. Room of whiskey and you go.
• 19:19
  I can really get it. And I tell you what, like to
• 19:21
  this day, John's nose is like far better than mine.
• 19:23
  And a lot of people I know like after that day.
• 19:27
  You get a passion for it, don't you?
• 19:28
  Yeah, you do. You get on here and as I'm
• 19:31
  saying there, as soon as you walk into that wall of whiskey,
• 19:33
  in that room of whiskey, it was almost like I got intimidated to
• 19:36
  go. I'm going to feel like, you
• 19:40
  know, I didn't hear of. So I was like, you know what,
• 19:43
  I'll just do the whiskeys and see the difference I think from
• 19:46
  doing the whiskeys in a situation like that is that you
• 19:49
  hadn't had paints before. Yeah.
• 19:50
  Typically you try like see you're trying to get your pal
• 19:52
  and get above any double with at 9:00, 4-5 pints.
• 19:57
  And then they go, I use that in this whiskey stuff and that like
• 20:00
  give me a whiskey and. Then you go to.
• 20:02
  Give them a whiskey in the glass shit.
• 20:04
  But if you take a drink of something that's quite low key
• 20:07
  with five pints on you, it's going to taste like shit.
• 20:09
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 20:09
  Yeah, no, but if you go in for taste.
• 20:10
  Magic. We say that there's like some of
• 20:14
  the best blenders and and their nose, those whiskey in the world
• 20:17
  and some master distillers and stuff.
• 20:19
  They will do all their nosing and they're blending early in
• 20:21
  the morning 'cause that's best. Absolutely insane.
• 20:23
  We do do it after 5 pints. Yeah, yeah.
• 20:25
  I don't know. Probably do, that's why we got
• 20:27
  some shake. Whiskey, I know.
• 20:29
  But but yeah, and I also think that, you know, the environment
• 20:31
  you're in there, these are all gonna, because you're all gonna
• 20:34
  take it quite seriously because it's a, it's a privilege.
• 20:36
  He, he's given me that. He's given me that opportunity
• 20:38
  to try some fun stuff from his point of view.
• 20:41
  He's probably delighted 'cause he gets to this is his thing
• 20:44
  that's like and he gets to share it with you.
• 20:47
  Exactly, even when you meet Stuart, this is his thing and he
• 20:50
  he had it already. He had like even accompaniments
• 20:53
  like when you get out of the PT stuff, you have like dry bacon
• 20:55
  and all that kind of stuff to go with the taste notes.
• 20:57
  So, and I think, I think from that day forward that hooked us
• 21:00
  onto whiskey. So it is thanks to Big Stewart,
• 21:02
  the cop for that. If we if we went up, we just had
• 21:06
  a few drums. He didn't tell us what they
• 21:07
  were. We stuck the game on the telling
• 21:08
  all just sat there and got a few beers as well.
• 21:11
  Might or not ever actually got into whiskey properly.
• 21:13
  You know, I think he was, he was taking us through the balls.
• 21:16
  He was saying this collections this, this is correct.
• 21:18
  I've been, I've been collecting that one for 10 years.
• 21:20
  That's the one that comes out annually.
• 21:21
  You know, he had the old Cherry Oak series, the McAllen Cherry
• 21:24
  oak series. And I collect him now from when
• 21:26
  my, my daughter was born. But he'd been collecting them
• 21:30
  through, you know, 2000s. And in the 90s, and that's some
• 21:33
  serious like some serious balls. And it was just three rows of
• 21:36
  it. And I was like, this is a world
• 21:38
  I've never, ever seen, You know, I mean, like when you're walking
• 21:41
  about people walking about us and they go all these drums in
• 21:44
  the world and stuff. They they definitely.
• 21:45
  They're like. I saw this, you know, I mean
• 21:47
  like. It's just a totally world.
• 21:48
  So for me it was just like, this is something completely new.
• 21:51
  It's like. We've we've talked a lot about
• 21:54
  the. Environment that you're in when
• 21:57
  you're. Drinking whiskey.
• 21:57
  There's been so many times where I've maybe picked up a whiskey
• 21:59
  and tried it and gone. I didn't like that and then I've
• 22:02
  maybe gone back to it another time and it's it's always about
• 22:04
  the circumstances of time and you've taken the Mickey out of
• 22:08
  me a little Ross, and you've absolutely hammered me since
• 22:10
  whiskey fringe because you were you're jealous that you missed
• 22:13
  it because you were only getting married right, right.
• 22:15
  But whiskey fried. Well, you try to get this is
• 22:20
  where Ross like says he's he tried to get whiskey fringe
• 22:23
  moved for his wedding, but but we it was I keep harting back to
• 22:29
  it and I do apologise for repeating myself, but I have to
• 22:32
  say there was I don't know what it was, but half past ten 10:45
• 22:36
  that day or Sunday morning, getting that talk through of the
• 22:39
  I'd beg it. Clicked something clicked.
• 22:42
  His passion. You were a receptive audience
• 22:45
  and you get an itch. For it, but you go back a couple
• 22:47
  of weeks because we've been at the Balveni tasting at the
• 22:50
  whiskey shop just a few weeks before that and the the one the
• 22:54
  the last DRAM on that line. It was the week of Pete yeah and
• 22:57
  I I couldn't finish it No right above any week of Pete, which if
• 23:01
  you're going to drop them like in terms of PPM and smokiness
• 23:04
  and stuff like that and you're saying right so and I'd beg 10
• 23:08
  is probably going to be a fairly substantially more.
• 23:11
  And look I've had peated whiskey on this podcast.
• 23:13
  Stuart Dick from Torrevig brought some stuff in and it
• 23:16
  was, it was nice in Macallan met Mctalla stuff that brought in,
• 23:21
  but it was something about it. And I think it is very
• 23:24
  circumstantial above. When you're drinking that
• 23:26
  particular whiskey or the circumstances you're in, you
• 23:29
  look back your environment. It's so important when you
• 23:32
  people in food will tell you that you taste as much for your
• 23:35
  eyes as you do with your taste buds.
• 23:36
  Because if you got something served that looks like, I mean,
• 23:40
  you just have to look at what's the, what's the chef called that
• 23:43
  does all the weird and wonderful.
• 23:47
  Smoking. And you suddenly say yourself,
• 23:49
  would you be able to eat if, if he was to make a fillet steak,
• 23:56
  made it look like it had just come out of a pedigree chum 10,
• 24:00
  right? Would you actually be able to
• 24:01
  eat it? Because you're going, you're
• 24:03
  looking at going, it looks crap. I'm not going to eat it.
• 24:06
  And I genuinely do feel like you've said it might have been
• 24:08
  sitting watching the telly, having a couple of pints,
• 24:09
  watching the football and having a drama or two wouldn't have
• 24:12
  been the same being in that surround then.
• 24:14
  And then the second part of that is, and it's like what we talked
• 24:17
  about with Simon Smith, when he does the education stuff and he
• 24:19
  does the training, he talks about so many different people,
• 24:22
  all the back to Cody Reynolds, brand ambassadors, Yeah, Mark
• 24:24
  Thompson, all these guys. Yeah, Yeah.
• 24:27
  When somebody with passion tells you about something but also
• 24:31
  does it in a way where they're not going well above your head.
• 24:34
  Yeah. And trying to and and you feel
• 24:37
  that that really does make a difference, I think as well.
• 24:39
  Totally. I think, I think as well that
• 24:41
  the fact that Stewart was so in depth with us got us into
• 24:45
  drinking the whiskey. And Stewarts son Craig, who's
• 24:47
  roundabout ages with, with all of us here, he got into his
• 24:50
  where he, he, you know, that kind of helped as well because
• 24:53
  we had a weak young crew with the equipment, the old crew type
• 24:56
  thing. So we came away from that
• 24:58
  tasting amazing, hooked on whiskey, but also hooked on the
• 25:00
  fascination of these walls with all the collectible stuff.
• 25:03
  So myself and John Rocket, right.
• 25:05
  Well, we start right in his year after we should we buy for we
• 25:09
  should we buy for this, that that, that, that.
• 25:10
  So we're going to end by our first Macau or our first Helen
• 25:13
  Park or whatever it may be. And my dad said, right, OK, what
• 25:18
  are you thinking? I all good, really, really good.
• 25:20
  And then within the next couple of weeks almost that right when
• 25:23
  we do the next whiskey thing and we arranged, my dad took me,
• 25:27
  John and another pal, Gordy, to Glen, going for a first proper
• 25:31
  distillery visit. Yeah.
• 25:32
  And me and John, me and me, and John being those.
• 25:41
  So me and John being these kind of two feet in kind of guys, we
• 25:44
  didn't just book the tour, we booked like the Master of
• 25:46
  Blending tour. And the experience?
• 25:49
  And I know, but it was it was up on the the kind of house outside
• 25:52
  of the Stiller of the stones. It's like, it's like, it's like
• 25:55
  a profile sent. Oh, yeah.
• 25:56
  With, with I think, I don't know if it was with one of the
• 25:58
  blenders. It was must have been.
• 25:59
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2017. Yeah.
• 26:01
  I don't know if it was just like, you know, I can.
• 26:03
  See you get. Tour guide or something that
• 26:05
  sort of type. You get to make your own 200
• 26:06
  mile bottle, don't you? That's it.
• 26:07
  I I I of you know when you when you go been to Glenn gone
• 26:10
  before. Never.
• 26:11
  Oh, we have. So when you when you go, when
• 26:13
  you go do the tour, obviously Glenn going from more and more
• 26:17
  Sherry as the age range goes up. And they've got this beautiful
• 26:19
  kind of display of that and, and old bottles.
• 26:23
  It's very, very bourbon style colour right up to kind of
• 26:25
  Sherry bomb colour. And it's like a piano.
• 26:27
  And you get not all of them. You get a few of them in this
• 26:30
  kind of blending room. The, the the the blender tells
• 26:33
  you or this will add that flavour.
• 26:34
  This will add that flavour and you blend your own 3 little
• 26:36
  bottle absolutely from you. Yeah, try.
• 26:38
  It is that right? That's how much like the teapot,
• 26:40
  because they did, it was at the teapot DRAM that they did there.
• 26:42
  Shout out to Mike Brown actually, who was very mean.
• 26:45
  Mike Brown came in two episodes. One episode was so good that we
• 26:49
  decided to accidentally delete it just so that we could get him
• 26:53
  in for a second episode that he did.
• 26:55
  And he came in and he didn't. He didn't let us down.
• 26:57
  He brought even more drums with him.
• 26:59
  And I was probably the drunkest. I've been finishing a podcast.
• 27:05
  It was a good one, but I. Was going to say bro in the
• 27:09
  Barnard book and I don't know I could read it by that.
• 27:11
  I didn't even turn up for the second part.
• 27:12
  No, you start. Off in the first one.
• 27:15
  But it was. But yeah, going going is a
• 27:17
  distillery, distillery. Got a place in our heart We're
• 27:20
  still I've still got a couple of pictures that that my dad
• 27:23
  obviously because my dad's not here anymore it's kind of
• 27:25
  sentimental to me There's a picture of of me John and Paul
• 27:28
  gaudy there. It was a freezing cold day.
• 27:31
  We done this and the we drank up 200 mil bottles but the one that
• 27:34
  my dad made. My dad wasn't really a big
• 27:36
  drinker by the. He would just.
• 27:37
  He used to go and took that initial investment thing and
• 27:39
  I've still got his little 200 million.
• 27:41
  And so one of those ones you have a drink type.
• 27:43
  So it was brilliant. Something I think that was kind
• 27:45
  of the kick start to get into whisky, try to get some some
• 27:48
  some collecting stuff on. It we've been, we've been, I
• 27:51
  mean we, I think it was actually in the last episode of Simon
• 27:54
  Smith, he touched on it about the layers of whiskey drinkers
• 27:57
  that you do get. We talked about it with the I
• 28:01
  was mentioning about the Grand Slam DRAM, the £1990.10 was
• 28:06
  brought out for commemorate Scotland's famous Five Nations
• 28:12
  Grand Slam win. But what we were basically
• 28:14
  saying is that it's going more into 10 with a different label
• 28:17
  on it. Right.
• 28:19
  But as Simon pointed out that there is there's sort of a range
• 28:23
  of whiskey drinkers and people that are involved in the whiskey
• 28:26
  industry in the sense that there's you get your old guys,
• 28:30
  like the guy I've mentioned again, ironically, he'll only
• 28:32
  drink one more than 210 because he drinks a huge amount.
• 28:35
  He's seen in his sort of local circle as the whiskey guy.
• 28:38
  His whiskey knowledge is absolutely horrendous, but he
• 28:41
  just drinks a large amount of whiskey and everyone goes
• 28:43
  that's, that's Malcolm and he drinks a lot of whiskey.
• 28:45
  So he's sometimes seen as that. Then you get people like
• 28:48
  ourselves who are just constantly on a bit of an
• 28:50
  exploration journey and you're you're, you're sneak seeking out
• 28:53
  different drums or trying different things.
• 28:55
  And the ability to try them as well, absolutely.
• 28:58
  And then, but then on the other side of it, there are there are
• 29:01
  that there is that world of premium collectors and investors
• 29:04
  and stuff like that. Now there'll be people and
• 29:06
  myself included. I've said it that sometimes I'll
• 29:08
  say that whiskey is only good if it's ready to be drunk.
• 29:11
  But at the same time, you then go to the Scottish Whiskey
• 29:14
  experience, right? And I think he's only just
• 29:16
  recently died. Was it the Brazilian guy who
• 29:18
  donated his collection? Clyde Clyde Gedy's or something.
• 29:22
  I wish I could remember the name, but yes, the undisclosed
• 29:25
  whiskey collection that was sold to at the time.
• 29:28
  And it's like the largest. That's to be the largest.
• 29:30
  A lot of his whiskeys were were all blends.
• 29:33
  Yeah, a lot of it was all. Blends and stuff.
• 29:35
  I mean, he'd bought back in the 70s and stuff like that, but I
• 29:38
  mean, I forgot what I was gonna say.
• 29:42
  It's it's one of, it's one of those things.
• 29:44
  That. For the industry, yeah, it's
• 29:47
  another brilliant thing for Scotland to have.
• 29:49
  Absolutely. It's not just about, of course
• 29:51
  it's great to get your your repeat custom.
• 29:53
  Your repeat custom comes in a way people come into bars and
• 29:56
  drinking, but also comes in a way that people are buying your
• 29:58
  annual releases. Yeah.
• 29:59
  And they get up on their shelf, their size and and they go, ohh,
• 30:04
  well I need to get next year 'cause I've already last four
• 30:06
  years and that's. Great.
• 30:09
  I miss again, it's a world that's almost, you know, I
• 30:11
  haven't experienced it, but you hear these stories are kind of
• 30:14
  like traffic jams outside of the distilleries on a day that
• 30:16
  they're releasing their. Yeah.
• 30:19
  Yeah. You.
• 30:20
  You've been involved with that sort of thing.
• 30:21
  Campbellton. 'S run.
• 30:22
  I always think of spring back and the date, you know, release
• 30:25
  dates to spring back. You can only buy 1 bottle per
• 30:27
  person and that locals will turn up because they know that
• 30:30
  they'll get cash in hand to go and buy a bottle on behalf of
• 30:32
  people. It's unbelievable.
• 30:34
  It's madness. Goes back to the fact, sorry,
• 30:36
  does go back to the fact that like whiskey does have, there is
• 30:40
  an art form and people would argue that, you know, why would
• 30:46
  you spend £100,000 on a bottle of Macallan?
• 30:49
  And there are people that spent that and some on bottles of
• 30:51
  Macallan and other bottles there.
• 30:53
  And, and then you say to yourself, well, why would
• 30:57
  somebody spend £100,000 on a painting that's going to sit on
• 31:00
  a wall or a painting that's going to sit?
• 31:02
  And, and you say to yourself, when you look at the
• 31:04
  craftsmanship that goes in, I'll have to pull my hands up, Ross.
• 31:07
  And for the first time since doing this podcast, I was, I was
• 31:11
  spoiled last Friday night. I've kept it quiet.
• 31:14
  Oh, you did. I kept it quiet.
• 31:16
  Yeah, yeah. Just a week before Christmas as
• 31:18
  well. I was spoiled.
• 31:20
  I was invited along to the Glen Eagles townhouse as a guest and
• 31:26
  it was the launch of the Ben Roma 50.
• 31:28
  Yeah, man it. Must.
• 31:29
  Oh, that is a pretty piece, isn't it it?
• 31:30
  Was certainly, absolutely. And, and there it is when you
• 31:33
  walk into the little private dining room that we had and it
• 31:36
  was hosted by the guys at Gordon Macphail.
• 31:38
  Stuart Urquhart, I think it was that that came down.
• 31:41
  He doesn't. Come in his bed for for unless
• 31:43
  it's unless it's proper. Yeah, sure, Urquhart.
• 31:45
  Had some absolutely fantastic stories as well.
• 31:48
  Gordon Macphail, his grandfathers, great
• 31:49
  grandfathers, etcetera. How it all started.
• 31:51
  How I think he wouldn't have been here if it wasn't for
• 31:54
  bananas because it was his grandfather that sold some
• 31:56
  bananas to his and and through selling bananas to the Gordon
• 32:00
  McPhail with a fruit and veg wholesaler before they were
• 32:02
  independent bottlers. Yeah, it's a.
• 32:04
  Fascinating story. Really, really, really great.
• 32:07
  Story anyone from Gordon McPhail is listening particularly
• 32:09
  Stewart because I did true your ear off for most of that dinner
• 32:13
  about coming up coming out of the podcast.
• 32:14
  But I think, you know, we, we were treated.
• 32:18
  So the lineup was the Ben Roma 15, 21, the 40 and the 50.
• 32:24
  Great. And you're sure?
• 32:25
  You're 40 as. Well, it's fantastic.
• 32:28
  And of course, the interesting thing about the 40 and the 50 is
• 32:31
  that that's stock that Gordon Macphail had purchased from
• 32:34
  before the point that the distillery.
• 32:36
  A lot. Of Gordon Macphail had already
• 32:40
  had contracts with Ben Roma as a distillery before it was
• 32:43
  mothballed and then they made the decision that that they
• 32:45
  would purchase it in 1993 and it was opened in 98 and what have
• 32:49
  you. But my point is, you know, I'm
• 32:51
  sitting there and it was my cousin who was along with me and
• 32:54
  that's what I said. So 50 year old and he's big
• 32:56
  enough to the drum and 25 mils I should say.
• 32:59
  And I thought I said So what is this?
• 33:03
  What's this bottle retailing at? And he's 20,000 lbs for the
• 33:07
  bottle. And I that is by far in the way
• 33:10
  the most expensive whiskey that I've ever tried in my life.
• 33:13
  And I said so right. OK, wow.
• 33:17
  Just looking at it, thinking I'm about to try wonder if I could
• 33:19
  put in my pocket or something like that.
• 33:22
  But, and I said to him, oh, well, yeah, that's what I said.
• 33:26
  What would the DRAM be worth? That's your FIFA.
• 33:28
  What would the DRAM, what would the DRAM be worth?
• 33:32
  And he started said, well, you're looking at roughly about
• 33:35
  for for that. He said you're probably looking
• 33:37
  at most places about 2000 lbs or something, No?
• 33:39
  I'd be more than that if if we were.
• 33:41
  If we were, we were buying that bottle, charging for the DRAM,
• 33:47
  what you were doing, you get 20% off yeah, probably at least 2
• 33:51
  1/2 or 3000 lbs yeah for a DRAM in a bar for them to make their
• 33:54
  margin and. By the end, you think, you think
• 33:56
  to yourself then and he was explaining about how I believe
• 33:59
  the bottles that the bottler that they use, which is a
• 34:01
  Scottish bottler, I think it was, he said they can only make
• 34:04
  one bottle per day by hand, right?
• 34:07
  So you suddenly say it yourself. There's layers to this.
• 34:11
  Basically, yes, the liquid is 50 years old and you're paying.
• 34:15
  Someone will pay 20,000 lbs for that bottle.
• 34:18
  But they're not just paying for the liquid, they're paying for
• 34:20
  the whole thing. Craftsmanship they're.
• 34:21
  Pay and that craftsmanship goes further back than just someone's
• 34:25
  put liquid in a cast 50 years ago.
• 34:27
  That car what checks have had to be done?
• 34:29
  How much is that? I mean Gordon Macphail, he was
• 34:32
  talking about the cast management programme that
• 34:34
  they've got and it's like if we get a cast over a certain age,
• 34:37
  it sits in a steel drum now because we just can't you get to
• 34:41
  a stage where you can't afford any leakage would come out of
• 34:43
  that. So if it leaks that save that
• 34:45
  salvage that can then be reacted etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
• 34:48
  But the point is like handcrafted bottle, it's not
• 34:51
  going to just be standard glass. It's going to.
• 34:53
  There's going to be so many. Different layers that.
• 34:58
  I think, I think your comparison to Fine Arts is a good way to
• 35:02
  look at it. You know, I'm somebody that 95%
• 35:05
  of the whiskey that I've got is all open.
• 35:07
  Yeah, but it's liquid history. Yeah, it's history.
• 35:11
  It's Scottish history. Yeah.
• 35:12
  And especially if you're a collector doesn't drink like
• 35:14
  your shirt does. Now that's somebody has an
• 35:17
  appreciation and we'll know about the distillery and know
• 35:19
  about all the processes. Even if they're not drinking it,
• 35:23
  that is something that they can share.
• 35:25
  And it's something that is great for the brand because anytime
• 35:27
  someone goes, Oh my goodness, whiskey, you've got, well, let
• 35:30
  me tell you about them. Fantastic.
• 35:32
  And it's it's it's legacy content.
• 35:34
  You produce that bottle. It's there in history forever.
• 35:39
  50 year old whiskey, by the way, that's ridiculous. 50 year old.
• 35:43
  It's a situation where most whiskey's over that age in my
• 35:46
  opinion, actually normally knackered, but it's also 50.
• 35:50
  What for it to get like you said, how?
• 35:52
  Old are you, Graham? 35 So yeah, he's getting me
• 35:55
  right. No, but that's how.
• 35:56
  You're right even for the 40 did you not on the 40 night and I I
• 35:59
  totally I felt bad drinking bad whiskeys.
• 36:03
  But then, but that's The thing is you've also got to say then
• 36:06
  and it's like what you've said and and when you actually break
• 36:09
  it down and what what we've learned a lot of and you go back
• 36:11
  to Fraser soon as his story is when he's done the time do tour
• 36:15
  and the boy says right, we're going to finish the tour here.
• 36:17
  This cast 50 years old. Everyone gets a dunk of it and
• 36:19
  everyone's sitting there when I can't believe we're going to try
• 36:21
  in a warehouse, we're going to try out the cask.
• 36:24
  Everyone drinks it and starts looking around each other.
• 36:26
  And the guy goes, it's shite, isn't it?
• 36:27
  And they went, aye. And they went, yeah, because
• 36:30
  this is an example of something that's been overcooked.
• 36:32
  Just because it's sat in wood for 50 years gives you no right
• 36:35
  whatsoever because that's the difference is that the
• 36:38
  craftsmanship of age versus quality.
• 36:41
  So if something has made it to 50 years old, right, that means
• 36:45
  the liquid that the liquid matched up with the cask for the
• 36:50
  cast to survive that length of time.
• 36:52
  That's if. If it's one cask it's been in.
• 36:55
  The Sherry, but it's probably already 100 hundred 200 year old
• 36:58
  trees for. That that I mean that wood will
• 37:00
  have to be the top quality for a whiskey to get to 50 years and
• 37:03
  still be quite enough to be taken out.
• 37:06
  Then how was it? It was, it was great, it was
• 37:08
  lovely. I will say that it's hard to
• 37:11
  make a judgement call on a drum of that.
• 37:15
  Like you take it, you take it to so many different things, like
• 37:17
  #1 the experience in itself. You'll never forget that,
• 37:21
  correct? Then the number two thing is you
• 37:23
  go, well, I'll probably never drink this again unless it's
• 37:25
  free. Because that doesn't converse
• 37:28
  the other 50 year old whiskeys you've made.
• 37:30
  Is it? Does it break the top 10?
• 37:32
  Well, yeah, exactly. It's going to be the best for
• 37:34
  one. But then you suddenly say
• 37:36
  yourself, but the 15 and the 21 are absolutely because Ben
• 37:39
  Romick drams are absolutely crack.
• 37:41
  Yeah. And you're saying to yourself,
• 37:42
  well, you know what realistically out of that the 21
• 37:45
  year old is, is a Belter because it's affordable whiskey that I
• 37:48
  would probably go out and buy and drink proper good and and do
• 37:51
  good. Value for your money, yeah.
• 37:52
  Absolutely. It's a sense of opportunity, the
• 37:54
  opportunity to try, the opportunity to think about it.
• 37:56
  It probably brings us nicely into.
• 37:57
  It well, yeah, I think so. But just just before I was just
• 38:00
  going to say, do you think it's a kind of the, the, the
• 38:02
  glassware and the craftsmanship you're talking about how long it
• 38:04
  takes to make these bottles, hence why you get the double
• 38:07
  price. Do you think that's kind of like
• 38:08
  a mutual respect thing because that cask has been?
• 38:10
  And yeah, you have to think about respect has.
• 38:12
  Made that you know it's it's. I mean, that's it.
• 38:14
  I mean, you look at you, you've brought a bottle of SMWS Scotch
• 38:17
  Malt Whiskey Society stuff here. Now the difference is right,
• 38:21
  Scotch Malt Whiskey Society whiskey will always look the
• 38:23
  same in the exact same type of bottle because it's been made
• 38:26
  and bottled for one purpose, one purpose only.
• 38:28
  To be drunk. And.
• 38:30
  It's, it's all about the liquid, whereas you take a, a very, very
• 38:34
  expensive bottle of McAllen or, or, or a Ben a Ben Romer 50 year
• 38:38
  old there. There's more than just
• 38:41
  craftsmanship going into the liquid.
• 38:43
  Then it's it's all about the whole thing as a package.
• 38:45
  And maybe they're they're not selling to a market of drinkers.
• 38:48
  They're selling to a market of people who number one would be
• 38:52
  people that are collectors like, like your guy I've talked about
• 38:54
  earlier on, or people that have high end, you know, money that
• 38:58
  they can save. I can put 20 grand into that.
• 39:00
  Yeah, it's. Interesting, to be honest, as
• 39:02
  well as another thing. And exactly you need a whiskey
• 39:04
  that's gonna look the part. Yeah, if it's.
• 39:06
  That's yeah. Yeah, yeah, there's.
• 39:07
  A guy there, what I was meaning, yeah.
• 39:08
  There's a guy there with his wife.
• 39:10
  I was sitting around the table and I think he was over the moon
• 39:13
  because afterwards he was sort of saying, well, darling, you
• 39:17
  know which one was was your favorite?
• 39:19
  And she's like, I actually preferred the 40.
• 39:21
  And he's like, oh, thank God. Because I think there might have
• 39:25
  been an expert. I don't know where they were,
• 39:26
  but there might have been an expectation that if that was, if
• 39:29
  there was a decision made. And that that is I look at the
• 39:32
  world that I'm living now with whiskey and I'm suddenly looking
• 39:34
  at the drums buying and and the whiskey bottles I'm looking at
• 39:38
  is you're suddenly going five years ago I bought over 100 lbs
• 39:43
  was an extortionate bottle. Listen.
• 39:45
  Now you've got a bottle of McAllen 25 in the Balmoral Hotel
• 39:47
  with your name on it. Right, I know I well cheers,
• 39:51
  Ross. I know that's what I don't need
• 40:01
  to call you so directly. I did there's.
• 40:03
  Me doc. But how amazing is again, that's
• 40:07
  that's like gotcha. And that's how whiskey people
• 40:10
  have written about. The point is that that bottle's
• 40:12
  been evaporating fast and I've been drinking.
• 40:15
  You and your brother's name on it.
• 40:16
  And I'm not sure your brother's had much yet.
• 40:18
  No, but it's one that's a bottle that people have spoken about,
• 40:21
  tasted for the last 50 years that, that, that 25 Roma Calic
• 40:25
  iconic people have written about it.
• 40:27
  It's been in movies. You've got a bottle of it.
• 40:29
  It's fantastic. And as I say, like I say,
• 40:32
  there's, there's, I find the balance here where I go, I for
• 40:38
  all the hard work that someone's gone in it that should be drunk,
• 40:42
  right? But at the same time, that's my
• 40:44
  way of appreciating the liquid for sure.
• 40:45
  Somebody else's way of appreciating the liquid is no,
• 40:48
  no, you've got to think about the craftsmanship that's gone up
• 40:51
  to this, the bottles that's been made.
• 40:53
  So actually, and I appreciate you.
• 40:54
  And it's not for me to say someone's appreciation of it is
• 40:57
  wrong in the sense that if someone wants to buy a bottle of
• 41:01
  whiskey and set it on a shelf and sit down and look at it
• 41:04
  every single day and go, I've got that.
• 41:06
  If someone wants to have a room in their house, yeah, that's up
• 41:10
  to them. If I want the universe tomorrow,
• 41:14
  I'm telling you, whatever it is I buy, it would have a whiskey
• 41:16
  room and there'd be full of bottles that I already know it
• 41:20
  was. And we all close our eyes and
• 41:21
  think, yeah, mahogany. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 41:25
  All these cornister's choice, whatever it is, all these
• 41:29
  errands. And I think we've had a few
• 41:31
  people on the podcast who talk about having a drama in a
• 41:34
  moment, for example. It's another style of collector.
• 41:37
  So I think Paul May was probably a good example of this old left
• 41:39
  check. I think it was.
• 41:42
  I can Ed basically getting to try it at being as Eureka
• 41:46
  whiskey and then going well, I'm going to buy every single bottle
• 41:49
  AC of that. I'm going to get a bit and
• 41:50
  that's another way of collecting.
• 41:52
  So then if I find a whiskey that totally changes my life that I
• 41:55
  think is a great deal, I will buy 10 bottles of it so that I
• 41:59
  can enjoy it for the next 30 years.
• 42:01
  And that's also the art collecting is collecting is for
• 42:05
  for now, but it's also for the future.
• 42:07
  And there's no, no, you know, you might end up having when
• 42:11
  your first grandkids born, that might be the moment where you
• 42:13
  open up your dad's bottle. Is it your daughter?
• 42:17
  Yeah. Yeah, so the the whole Sherry
• 42:18
  old thing came from came from Stuart and he had the 90s
• 42:22
  bottles and the 2000 bottles. So when my daughter was born in
• 42:24
  2022, I basically bought the Sherry Oak 18 in 2022 and I've
• 42:29
  bought some before and some all the way up to 2024.
• 42:32
  I know it's only a few bottles but.
• 42:33
  You know I. Bought some like before that as
• 42:36
  well. But Stuart used to tell us not
• 42:38
  just only about like the buying the bottle to say right, this is
• 42:41
  an action McAllen coming out, get the classic cut, get the
• 42:43
  cherry oak. But you used to say 1 you drink
• 42:46
  1 you keep Yeah. And one A1 you share with
• 42:49
  friends. Yeah.
• 42:50
  So you drink one yourself, one share one me.
• 42:52
  No, you guys and put one on the shelf.
• 42:54
  So there is, there is an element to the whole collecting thing
• 42:57
  where you know, if you know, obviously one can afford to go
• 43:00
  on, but you go in there and say well I'll at least get 2.
• 43:04
  Yeah, yeah, we'll. Keep one and we'll drink one as
• 43:07
  well. So and.
• 43:07
  So it's good to. Keep that memory and like you
• 43:09
  say, draws there you can. You can then rely on that ball
• 43:12
  again and say like, you know what, it's been a great wedding
• 43:14
  or whatever looks like this ball.
• 43:17
  The bottles I don't have open, I know I'll open them.
• 43:20
  Yeah, I'm just waiting for the right thing.
• 43:22
  And. There's, there's also bottles
• 43:24
  that you have open that you don't drink as quickly as others
• 43:26
  because yeah. Understanding.
• 43:27
  Yeah. To me, to me, that's still
• 43:28
  collecting in a way. Of course you're collecting the
• 43:30
  bottle, you've got it open, it's had it out.
• 43:32
  You can never sell it. Of course you can, but you're
• 43:34
  collecting it so that when my cousin I've not seen for three
• 43:37
  years comes over, he likes whiskey.
• 43:38
  I can get him in a great. So I think, I think it's, it's
• 43:41
  quite important to like you've already said, respect the
• 43:44
  collecting side, but respect the drinking side.
• 43:46
  And me and John are right in the middle.
• 43:48
  Yeah, yeah. And we, we, we do a bit of both.
• 43:49
  We've done a bit of both and we've also had that time.
• 43:52
  Well, let's collect that, let's collect that.
• 43:53
  And when you get that special occasion, like you said, go on,
• 43:55
  then let's get open, you know, and we're not talking 3 four
• 43:59
  5000 LB bottles for that, but we're talking like one good
• 44:02
  example was after the kind of Glen going thing with my dad.
• 44:08
  Unfortunately, that's when my dad passed away just after that.
• 44:10
  And then Stuart invited me to his Isla trip, right.
• 44:15
  I think John was walking away at the time, something like that.
• 44:17
  So I, I went myself with Stuart, his friend Chris, who's now a
• 44:20
  great friend of, of ours, and Craig, his son.
• 44:23
  So we went to, to to Isla and we, we went into all of the
• 44:28
  silly. We were staying in Bamoor into
• 44:29
  the into the Bamoor, you know, big panoramic window, lovely
• 44:32
  drum bar superior. You can sit there all day, can
• 44:34
  you? And they had the the manager's
• 44:36
  drama, which was, I think it was a 22 year old, the David Turner
• 44:39
  one. It was.
• 44:39
  David. Simpson, David.
• 44:41
  Turner, David. Turner, one of.
• 44:42
  Course, he still has been there whenever.
• 44:44
  Hasn't he? And it was, it was like treacle.
• 44:46
  You could have to see it through this thing, but typical but more
• 44:49
  flavours, but just really, really dark.
• 44:51
  Really, really PX Sherry raising stuff.
• 44:53
  And they had it behind the bar And it was at the time it was,
• 44:56
  it might have been £20 a nip or something.
• 44:57
  But you're in the, I'm having one.
• 44:59
  Oh shit, I'm having two. Right.
• 45:01
  And then and then is it in the shop?
• 45:02
  Right. OK, I'll buy one.
• 45:03
  It's Joe's lap, buy 2. That was exactly what John said.
• 45:06
  I buy. 2. People, I think one who couldn't
• 45:08
  afford to buy three at 10, I think there were maybe £250 each
• 45:11
  or something. Yeah, no, buy three, buy two
• 45:14
  took two back and John was getting married.
• 45:18
  So yeah, the night before his wedding, we, I.
• 45:21
  Took lovely and that's what exactly you saw.
• 45:23
  But yeah. We took that down, opened it,
• 45:24
  and hopefully, hopefully Caitlin doesn't watch this podcast
• 45:30
  because we never done the bottle on that night before.
• 45:32
  It's ready. I'm just trying.
• 45:36
  To find. This So he comes up with this
• 45:37
  idea. Let Let's start a business to
• 45:39
  get a hat. Well, so I think John and I have
• 45:43
  always had this kind of thing. What can we do together?
• 45:45
  What can we do? Let's let's do something that we
• 45:49
  love and make it into even a side hustle, something like
• 45:51
  that. And there was many ideas, there
• 45:53
  was many different ideas. It was, it was going to be a
• 45:55
  kind of a raving clothes brand that we won't go too far into
• 45:58
  just in case we reignite it one day.
• 45:59
  There was, there was a few things we DJ together, you know
• 46:05
  one one day and you start DJ and the guy you play a good gig you
• 46:07
  think you could play IB for. You know I mean that.
• 46:09
  All that kind of stuff, which we did all, all of that kind of
• 46:11
  thing. And so where are we now?
• 46:14
  We're probably end of 2021. I was doing my electrical stuff
• 46:19
  and the company I was contracting to went bust and I
• 46:23
  lost my job, which was kind of the blessing in disguise because
• 46:27
  if, if, if I had just went to the next project, the next
• 46:30
  project, the next project with these guys, I'd probably still
• 46:32
  be doing it today, you know? You know what?
• 46:33
  Yeah. Yeah, you need that little
• 46:35
  boost. That's it.
• 46:36
  Did that John was working on it in a kind of oil and gas role,
• 46:41
  you know, not hating it at that point.
• 46:44
  You were OK with it? No, no, I think we, we can.
• 46:47
  We had this mutual thing where we were wanting to try and, you
• 46:49
  know, starting business some way.
• 46:52
  We'd obviously like we talked about we'd started collecting
• 46:54
  loads of ski and there was actually three of us doing this
• 46:58
  kind of consortium thing. We were drinking a lot of skill
• 47:00
  at the time and buying bottles, buying the double, Yeah,
• 47:05
  drinking one whenever we were a nice suit or when we run at each
• 47:09
  of us houses or and stuff. And then we got to a point where
• 47:13
  we can split the consortium and we all had sort of bottles
• 47:16
  together. And we sort of asked this
• 47:18
  collection of maybe, I don't know, maybe 100 bottles or
• 47:21
  whatever. Some stuff, pretty rare.
• 47:24
  Yeah, some stuff was like worth a few grand.
• 47:27
  So we were kind of like, you know, Scott came up with the
• 47:29
  idea. It was like, how can we, how can
• 47:31
  we turn this into a business? How can we make this our our job
• 47:35
  essentially, right. So like, how can we make a
• 47:37
  passion? A.
• 47:38
  Job funny a funny me stepping a funny me stepping stone into
• 47:42
  that, though, before you go into it was that I had I had seen a
• 47:46
  few people and it was I think it was actually pre locked down.
• 47:49
  Maybe it was locked, you know, Oh yes, they just just pee and
• 47:53
  they were doing all these bonus ball illegal lottery things,
• 47:56
  making Facebook groups. There's one at 49 whoever the
• 47:58
  bonus ball is in the lottery. That's it.
• 48:00
  It's whatever a ticket for whatever.
• 48:02
  And I've seen a guy doing one for a set of brand new minted
• 48:05
  technics 1210 vinyl turntables. I'm OK 20 quit a number.
• 48:08
  I'll take one wins it. Really.
• 48:11
  So you're one of those winners? I'm one of.
• 48:13
  Those so I won it and then and then I thought you were
• 48:16
  subconsciously that just thought well, well, maybe, maybe we
• 48:18
  could do that and you know that the there, there are similar
• 48:21
  business models to what the collector's club is right now.
• 48:23
  We're all scared to say that way.
• 48:25
  You can yeah. You know it used to be when you
• 48:26
  went to Glasgow Airport back in the day there was an Aston
• 48:28
  Martin sitting there Yeah, 25 for a ticket.
• 48:30
  Best of the best. You can win this thing.
• 48:32
  They do it now if they've been doing it on ITV for years on
• 48:34
  holidays, you can win XYZ. It's just not a competition
• 48:39
  website. And then it kind of clicked us
• 48:41
  like, well, we've got loads of whiskey sitting here We love
• 48:42
  whiskey. I'm already a job I'm doing bits
• 48:45
  and bobs. I'm still doing my DJ and get,
• 48:47
  you know, a bit, a bit in property stuff like that, but it
• 48:49
  wasn't really it was getting bad and it wasn't really that
• 48:52
  passionate. So I said to John, what do you
• 48:56
  think of this? Any flat?
• 48:58
  That was kind of yeah, it was pretty much it.
• 49:01
  I guess I, we, we, we started to can amassing the balls together
• 49:05
  and and then we like go and get the website built and stuff and
• 49:08
  we spent more money than we should, I guess on that.
• 49:11
  But it's paid dividends like 100.
• 49:13
  I mean, and it really is a, it's really is a great system.
• 49:17
  I was quite handy with the camera and stuff.
• 49:19
  I did all the video editing and all the design.
• 49:20
  Work and photos. And all that and Scott's really
• 49:23
  good with it right. This is a good business idea and
• 49:25
  you know, so we can amalgamated those two passions and those two
• 49:28
  that's it knowledge base, Yeah. And and created something that
• 49:31
  we already had a essentially, you know, if you're gonna start
• 49:34
  a T-shirt business, we already had 15,000 T-shirts sitting.
• 49:37
  So you've already got the backloggers, you've got the
• 49:39
  stocks setting, so you've always.
• 49:40
  We had all the stocks in there and, and we thought these were,
• 49:43
  you know, these would be good prizes.
• 49:45
  Yeah, we we were told by a collector that.
• 49:47
  You know. These are the bottles to get.
• 49:48
  So therefore collectors who want to win these for £1.99 are going
• 49:53
  to buy tickets for and we will technically, I guess you're
• 49:56
  right. It got off the ground pretty
• 49:58
  decently. And it goes back to the thing
• 50:00
  with, with, with my dad and Stewart stuff like obviously he
• 50:03
  was just learning from Stewart about how to get into whiskey
• 50:05
  and how to invest and do whatever, drink a few drums and
• 50:08
  collect a few drums. And when he passed away,
• 50:10
  obviously I inherited a whiskey collection and he, he would have
• 50:13
  wanted nothing better than for me to make this into something
• 50:15
  like a business type thing. And they were all from advice
• 50:18
  from the guy we're talking about.
• 50:20
  Where? He's.
• 50:25
  He's the he's the. He's the Scotch father, he.
• 50:29
  Wins one in every five competitions, so.
• 50:34
  The kind of the deal was that I would put all that whiskey from
• 50:38
  from my old boy and the stuff we had into this pot and whatever
• 50:41
  it accrue to whatever we thought it would be auction value or 90%
• 50:45
  of auction value. That's kind of what that was
• 50:47
  kind of. I put that in and then John
• 50:48
  bought a fancy camera for doing all that all that stuff to up to
• 50:51
  the equal to the major 5050 everything, you know, like and
• 50:55
  everything we've done even before the business.
• 50:56
  So that was kind of like right now.
• 50:58
  You share a name as well, so make.
• 51:01
  Good base for this, we thought. Let's just let's.
• 51:03
  Give a crap. Yeah, great.
• 51:04
  Give it a. Crap and tell me about these and
• 51:06
  tell me sorry, I guess I've seen loads of competitions you're
• 51:09
  doing massive as a socials and also I know people in the
• 51:12
  whiskey industry that have taken part in their competitions as
• 51:14
  well. I'll need to have a proper look
• 51:15
  on your website yeah, tell me about these innocent wind comps
• 51:18
  that you've got as well. So, so tell me how that works.
• 51:20
  It looks great and in a way that you're basically trying to make
• 51:24
  it more accessible for people to have that opportunity to to win
• 51:27
  this big whiskey. But also there's going to be
• 51:29
  quite a few winners anyway. So, so one of one of the many
• 51:33
  concepts we do So first of all, we do just normal competition
• 51:36
  bottle on tickets, ticket number, drawing a Thursday, job
• 51:38
  done. But also we do things when we
• 51:41
  want to do something something bigger and each each of our
• 51:43
  competition first, I should have said this first.
• 51:45
  I've got a time on it. So re upload something.
• 51:47
  It's got two weeks, 3 weeks, a month, one week, whatever.
• 51:50
  Usually we're running on one week right now because that's
• 51:51
  just, you know, get something, get some, keep it fresh.
• 51:55
  So one of the features that we do now is, is, as you said,
• 51:58
  instant wins, Ross. So let's say there's 100 tickets
• 52:02
  and the main prize is spring back 12 cast strength, quite
• 52:06
  hard to get like let's let's call that £100 and then there's
• 52:10
  100 tickets for that. So when we do our live draw on a
• 52:13
  Thursday, which is we do this every single Thursday, if you've
• 52:15
  got the winning ticket for that, you win that.
• 52:17
  But on the way to that, if that's been on for two weeks,
• 52:20
  whilst you're buying your tickets during the two weeks for
• 52:22
  your pound, 2 LB, whatever it may be, each one to 99, let's
• 52:27
  say there's five instant wins on there.
• 52:28
  That could be 5 bottles of Campbelltown Lock associated
• 52:30
  with Spring Bank, but not quite as pricey, right?
• 52:32
  OK, it's not a main prize, but. It's so it's almost like a lot
• 52:35
  of prize. Yeah, so.
• 52:36
  Let's say when we put instant wins on our system, it will
• 52:39
  randomly allocate let's say number 152436 and 42.
• 52:44
  If you get 42 on the way to want to win that, yeah, you get a
• 52:48
  Cameltown lock immediately, but you're still in for that.
• 52:50
  That's cool. I see you're.
• 52:51
  Still, yeah, but. That's just, that's just a small
• 52:54
  thing right now. So the big, the big one we've
• 52:55
  got on right now. Obviously we've got this big one
• 52:57
  we're talking about earlier McAllen Horizon, which is a
• 52:59
  huge. Is the biggest bottle you've
• 53:00
  ever done the biggest bottle but McAllen Horizon?
• 53:04
  Tell us about the whiskey first and foremost.
• 53:06
  Aye, aye. So I mean McAllen Horizon, so we
• 53:10
  first went to the distillery. Well, not on our first visit,
• 53:13
  our last visit, sorry. We went back in August.
• 53:15
  That was, I said that was actually a prize as well, wasn't
• 53:17
  it? So we, we did a, we did a
• 53:19
  competition, but it's not always just bottles of whiskey.
• 53:21
  So we did the Mastery tour at McAllen as a prize for two
• 53:25
  people and two guys won it. And it was quite funny because
• 53:30
  it was the prize was for two people.
• 53:33
  And we we did see ourselves if like if a husband and wife win
• 53:36
  it, we'll book them at the healthcare hotel and we'll just,
• 53:38
  we'll say. No, no, yeah.
• 53:39
  And. Then ended up some guy won it
• 53:42
  and he wanted to take his brother.
• 53:43
  So Larry, we're coming. Hell, we went.
• 53:47
  It was what a weekend it was. We went up there and we went
• 53:50
  Alec. It was great.
• 53:51
  We were. It was.
• 53:51
  When Glen. Alec.
• 53:52
  Is growing, but unfortunately Bally Walker wasn't there at the
• 53:55
  time. I think he just left by a couple
• 53:57
  of days as well. We just missed them and he
• 53:59
  obviously spends a lot of time there.
• 54:00
  Yeah, he actually stays in the Highlander and apparently when
• 54:02
  he's up there, we went in the Highlander, that's on the.
• 54:06
  Podcast. The the wheels are in motion.
• 54:10
  Aye, but that was good, so we were up there.
• 54:12
  And then they want an experience.
• 54:14
  They. Want an experience and a bottle
• 54:15
  of they do this bottle, the Macallan Home Collection, it's
• 54:18
  the distillery. So that was the first home
• 54:20
  collection release and it's to commemorate this, the new kind
• 54:22
  of distillery. So Colin was the name of the
• 54:24
  winner for that. He won the bottle and the trip
• 54:26
  for two, which is doing its accommodation and this master
• 54:29
  tour. So the master tour John and I
• 54:31
  went went with them and and we did did the two are fantastic by
• 54:35
  the way you go in and you get welcome drum yeah and it's two
• 54:38
  hours worth of touring proper and you get 6 course tasting
• 54:40
  yeah brilliant, really good and you get enough of the 30 share
• 54:45
  yeah, which is proper, which is worth more than the ticket from
• 54:48
  that. If you buy again the drama they
• 54:49
  were saying earlier on about the margins and stuff.
• 54:51
  I mean we were you can I calculated they were like if we
• 54:54
  got obviously you're at McAllen so they're not trying to get
• 54:56
  them out exactly. You know, but if you bought it
• 54:58
  by that and any whiskey bar or whatever, yeah talking it's.
• 55:02
  Close to the office, 4500 from the least.
• 55:05
  Price of the ticket. Which was?
• 55:08
  Wow, That's a great operation. The shirt Casals, who was the
• 55:11
  estate manager for a long time at a stroke two years ago and
• 55:14
  now does a kind of prestige stuff.
• 55:16
  But it's a great operation that I totally can cover that and you
• 55:19
  get and some of the tours you do on the estate tour and drive,
• 55:24
  drive around the Bentley. Road, yeah.
• 55:26
  So when? Our invitation, but she did like
• 55:30
  Cavanaugh Gilly on site from. Now on OH.
• 55:33
  Yeah, touch points. I just.
• 55:36
  I just like to point out that from now on, we won't mention
• 55:39
  that distillery again until we get until we get distillery.
• 55:47
  From now on it's. Mother.
• 55:48
  Lover. Mother lover, but I was going to
• 55:52
  just say brackets. So back so back to the mother
• 55:55
  lover Horizon. So the mother so there.
• 55:58
  So yeah, yeah, how the calendar ISON I got on just now.
• 56:01
  So so this is is that the bottles on its side?
• 56:03
  Yes, so its side and it's it's what a piece of engineering and
• 56:07
  when we when we because I related it to that that trip
• 56:09
  because we went there, we walked in.
• 56:10
  You know what it's like, you go turn the big corner to go there,
• 56:12
  but you can see easterly South and four or five Bentley sitting
• 56:16
  there, some Bentigas, some Continental GTS, all this kind
• 56:18
  of stuff. And I think McAllen and Bentley
• 56:22
  had their partnership for driving and all that kind of
• 56:24
  stuff or chauffeuring or whatever it may be in 2022.
• 56:28
  And then they were walking in the background and bringing out
• 56:30
  this McAllen Horizon this year, earlier this year.
• 56:33
  So when we went in August, it was front and centre of the
• 56:35
  boutique and. Wow.
• 56:38
  Wow, this, this thing is absolutely incredible.
• 56:40
  It comes, it comes in like, I mean, we're talking about DJ and
• 56:44
  earlier we used to carry on DG decks and big things.
• 56:46
  This, this, this is bigger. Well, that's here you go and and
• 56:49
  and it comes. It's a swipe of, you know.
• 56:51
  I watched you guys look like. Yes, I was watching 1.
• 56:53
  Of your videos yeah, yeah. And I was looking at it and I
• 56:56
  was petrified 40 Yeah, petrified everyone myself.
• 56:59
  Like what's the. Refuse of watching that new
• 57:01
  series The Day of the Jackal when he takes the suitcase onto
• 57:03
  this. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's
• 57:05
  basically like that. He's got like taking a sniper
• 57:08
  rifle. And it was.
• 57:10
  Because you've got to untwist it to bring it.
• 57:11
  Out so you need so yeah, so it comes in two bits and you have
• 57:16
  to do the gloves and then take the leather strap out, which
• 57:17
  releases the case. The case sits on a on a kind of
• 57:20
  angled kind of saddle. And then the the the the kind of
• 57:24
  wood intertwines with some copper or brass.
• 57:27
  We think that and it's got leather on the inside.
• 57:29
  It's got light as well, but then you get the bottle, the bottle's
• 57:32
  also twisted and you need to take the bottle out and twist it
• 57:36
  into position. It screws in and then you have
• 57:39
  to give it a kind of push your glory into the end.
• 57:42
  You know, it's that's the nerve wracking the next to the label,
• 57:45
  but no amazing I. Guess he's always pretty
• 57:49
  generous when he's pouring the drums.
• 57:50
  How would you feel pouring pouring drums out of that one?
• 57:52
  I guess. Oh.
• 57:53
  Well, it's. This.
• 57:54
  It's this elbow of mine. Yeah, it's this is where.
• 57:59
  If you were to put your cynics hat on and you're right and you
• 58:01
  look at like what's been bottled for the consumption of what's
• 58:03
  been bottled for the performance, the show, you're
• 58:06
  saying to yourself that would be a useless DRAM to pour because
• 58:10
  imagine someone trying to, I mean, you would that's a that's
• 58:12
  almost a double handler similar to our old smuggler bottle that
• 58:15
  with 1.75 litres old smuggler. What do you describe as a
• 58:19
  doorstop? Would you use that as a
• 58:20
  doorstop? For the winner of that
• 58:23
  competition, it could be potentially a life changing
• 58:25
  price. How much?
• 58:26
  How much does that bottle go for retail?
• 58:28
  424444 grand in the distillery 42 you can buy one.
• 58:34
  Well, you know when you go into a site 42 grand on Google and
• 58:36
  you click on, it's not there. So.
• 58:38
  You can't buy it, but you can go.
• 58:40
  This still mean buy it for 44 but it's for for talking sake
• 58:45
  save 42 because you'll always get someone say yeah 42.
• 58:47
  Yeah. So this is your, this is your
• 58:48
  biggest surprise. Have you ever built up to this?
• 58:51
  Is that? Yes, yeah, yeah.
• 58:52
  Yeah, yeah. 42 year old Tomatin 4045 year old tomato.
• 58:57
  That's the that's the oldest age, oldest one done.
• 59:00
  And in October we don't have Dalmore 40, Dalmore 40.
• 59:02
  Yeah. So I was like a 12 grand dish
• 59:05
  bowl. Yeah.
• 59:06
  So to about. Yeah, what?
• 59:08
  People seem to go to lenses where we, we, we try.
• 59:10
  And when the Dalmore 40 was on, I don't know if Dalmore would
• 59:14
  like this, but we called it the Dalmore Doozy.
• 59:17
  And we had, we had 100 bottles of Dalmore as instant minds as
• 59:20
  well. Yeah.
• 59:20
  So people weren't going to be empty handed.
• 59:23
  You know, you. And a lot of the time as well,
• 59:25
  you can, you can make credits to the site and coupons and
• 59:27
  vouchers to spend on other competitions here, there and
• 59:29
  everywhere. So.
• 59:32
  Aye. So that's the kind of thing and
• 59:34
  even though you're, you're not necessarily going to win the
• 59:36
  the, the, the 40 year or you might, but you can win a 12.
• 59:39
  Yeah. Fairly, yeah.
• 59:41
  No, Not every time, of course not.
• 59:42
  Otherwise, no. For what was it was you like for
• 59:45
  the Dalmore 1? So what are you paying to enter
• 59:48
  that competition then? It depends on one. #49.
• 59:51
  Right. So that was even even if you're
• 59:53
  if you're coming away with a 12 year old Dalmore, yeah, you're
• 59:56
  disappointed, you've not won the big prize, but at the same time
• 59:59
  you've picked up a 12 year old Dalmore.
• 1:00:00
  Yeah, and all your ticket numbers are in for the main
• 1:00:02
  ones. That's yeah.
• 1:00:03
  Right. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:04
  And even if you bought 10 tickets, you expect £25.
• 1:00:07
  You're still making profit. A good one, yeah.
• 1:00:10
  And you're still within the draw of the big.
• 1:00:11
  One. Now there is an old Irish fable,
• 1:00:14
  right? An Irish fable is an Irish
• 1:00:17
  farmer. His Clydesdale horse died,
• 1:00:20
  right? And he didn't have enough money
• 1:00:23
  to buy a new one. So what he did was he went round
• 1:00:26
  the town and he raffled off a Clydesdale horse and over 100
• 1:00:31
  people spent a pound to buy a Clydesdale horse.
• 1:00:35
  And then he drew the raffle and he went, congratulations mate,
• 1:00:38
  you've won a horse. And he said it's outside on the
• 1:00:40
  back of my car because it's dead.
• 1:00:42
  And the guy went, but I thought it was a live horse went oh,
• 1:00:44
  sorry, here's your pound back. Went away, went away, went away
• 1:00:50
  and bought what is horse with the rest of it said, you know,
• 1:00:52
  happy there's your money back. You only spent a pound, so you
• 1:00:55
  got your pound back. When you look at these
• 1:00:57
  competitions and things like that, it must be a difficult
• 1:01:00
  area to navigate then, because sometimes if from a cynical
• 1:01:03
  point of view, yeah, if I'm looking and we go back to the
• 1:01:06
  Irish joke and that's the next thing.
• 1:01:07
  But if I'm looking at this and I'm looking at this, you're.
• 1:01:10
  You're talking about 40,000 LB bottle whiskey.
• 1:01:12
  Yeah. And what is what's the entry
• 1:01:14
  level for this? What's?
• 1:01:15
  2 quid £2 Yeah so. I'm saying it myself, how on
• 1:01:17
  earth does this happen then? So for people who are listening,
• 1:01:20
  I might be going wait, wait, I'm trying to do the maths here.
• 1:01:23
  What, what? How's, how's this work?
• 1:01:24
  How does it work? There so, so, so I think what
• 1:01:27
  you have to remember is the the way that we do our competition
• 1:01:30
  site and the way everyone who does something similar with the
• 1:01:33
  cars and all that kind of stuff, it's very, very transparent on
• 1:01:35
  this site. It'll tell you how long you've
• 1:01:37
  got left to enter. It'll tell you how much the
• 1:01:39
  ticket cost and how many tickets there are.
• 1:01:41
  You do 25,000 tickets, 2 LB a ticket.
• 1:01:44
  Yes, now anyone would come in and go, oh that's 50 grand that
• 1:01:48
  bottle's worth that. No, that's not exactly how it
• 1:01:50
  works. Obviously the business expenses,
• 1:01:51
  let's no point to that versus but what we do certainly we, we
• 1:01:55
  do have points in reward scheme as well.
• 1:01:57
  So you can also, your points go towards more tickets when you
• 1:02:00
  want to do that. And we do we, you know, discount
• 1:02:02
  codes we do vouchers we give away and free stuff that
• 1:02:05
  McCallum 25 he's got in the Balmoral, we've got one of them
• 1:02:07
  on for absolutely free right now, haven't we?
• 1:02:09
  Free to enter, yeah? For that let me tell you this
• 1:02:14
  and I hope Cameron dudes not listening, but basically when
• 1:02:16
  that McCallum 25 is empty, I'm going to get Woodies mother
• 1:02:20
  lover. And just trying to fill it back.
• 1:02:25
  You know, since that that is, that is the long and short of
• 1:02:27
  it. It's very, very transparent, but
• 1:02:30
  that there are. I think it's great the offer,
• 1:02:32
  the experiences and everything as well makes.
• 1:02:34
  It genuinely that's as well. I would, I would be really into
• 1:02:38
  that, yeah, around the distillery, yeah.
• 1:02:40
  And have that experience and especially if it's something
• 1:02:44
  that maybe I wouldn't even have thought about, well.
• 1:02:47
  We don't. We've done all on all expenses
• 1:02:49
  paid truck to anyone. And that was.
• 1:02:52
  I'll tell you something, right? That's like what a risk this
• 1:02:55
  was, right? So see, if you think about it
• 1:02:56
  right, we've done. Did you put them in Port
• 1:02:58
  Charlotte? So we've done, we've done a
• 1:03:00
  winner on the market. So there's a winner and three
• 1:03:03
  friends, right. So we were thinking ourselves,
• 1:03:05
  we've not thought that's true because we could have got, you
• 1:03:09
  know, one widow, 2 widow, 3 widow, 4 widow, right?
• 1:03:12
  Or we could get 4 woman. I.
• 1:03:14
  Guess we were thinking how do I explain this, you know so but
• 1:03:17
  luckily we get 4 sound guys for the Midlands.
• 1:03:19
  They came up and then they drove.
• 1:03:21
  They get the train up through the in the middle of the night.
• 1:03:24
  They get train up to Glasgow at like midnight and they waited
• 1:03:28
  for us until 4:00 in the morning.
• 1:03:29
  We could pick them up in the middle of Glasgow or take them
• 1:03:31
  again at Craig, whatever. And they had that the guys had
• 1:03:34
  them out. They did an all night as well.
• 1:03:36
  They've done because we had to pick them up at 3:00 in the
• 1:03:38
  morning to get kind of Craig for the 7:00 fair, pick them up for
• 1:03:41
  the casino as you do. Few Beals came out and one of
• 1:03:47
  the guys quite well before he even got on the fair, obviously.
• 1:03:57
  Yeah, I use the. The fact that these boys come in
• 1:04:06
  and they just won a a trip to tile or they still thought we
• 1:04:09
  better go to the. Casino, it's worth saying the
• 1:04:16
  lads have have had the bottles around.
• 1:04:18
  They used to be pouring. They've bought 4 bottles in
• 1:04:20
  Venice, obviously, yeah. Do you realize they're on the
• 1:04:23
  Spring Bank cash entrance now? I'm really interested in this
• 1:04:25
  Glengiri. Yeah, and you've got an SNWS.
• 1:04:27
  Like shout out to David Lyons as well.
• 1:04:29
  Who wants a Glengiri? Yeah, so, so, so the dramatic
• 1:04:32
  fashion, is it a #5I, I'll let, I'll let John go through these
• 1:04:34
  because he's, he's better than me.
• 1:04:36
  Until I yeah, I. Say the Clyde said was because
• 1:04:38
  of it was it was the favorite one the Glen the that one you
• 1:04:41
  picked up on the other, didn't you?
• 1:04:42
  Yeah, I picked this one out there too.
• 1:04:43
  The whole I don't know if you guys are into the whole Scotch
• 1:04:46
  malw. I love it.
• 1:04:46
  I still work for them. So did you so like see when we
• 1:04:57
  were talking when we first got into the whiskey thing, we
• 1:04:59
  talked about the two guys who got as a name Kristen Stewart.
• 1:05:02
  They introduced this to the Scotch Malwazi society thing.
• 1:05:04
  And I'll be honest at a time quite young, we just kind of
• 1:05:07
  passed it off and I was like, yeah, I'm not really.
• 1:05:09
  That's really yeah. And the more and more we go into
• 1:05:12
  whiskey, we start talking about indie bottlers, we start talking
• 1:05:15
  about cast strength, We're talking about different cast
• 1:05:17
  types. You really get into it.
• 1:05:19
  You really get any whiskey. And then it wasn't but like
• 1:05:22
  three or four months ago, I was like to Scott.
• 1:05:24
  I was like, I like it. Back to Scott's forces.
• 1:05:26
  Yeah. We have that blind taste and
• 1:05:29
  experience and being like, right, this is this is in the
• 1:05:33
  bar. St.
• 1:05:33
  One in Glasgow is fantastic. So I so we rejoined a couple of
• 1:05:37
  weeks ago, so I throw to be back.
• 1:05:40
  It's a great, it's a great. It's a Vaults edition, so yes,
• 1:05:44
  for people that don't know and you realise, but what I've seen
• 1:05:47
  it, there's a Vaults edition all contosion like it's a 20 year
• 1:05:49
  old all contosion. That's a cash sent on.
• 1:05:52
  So see all your preconceived notions about all contosion.
• 1:05:54
  Yeah, that will be I don't say work for them anymore.
• 1:05:59
  They need today and he tells it. But that is something that you
• 1:06:02
  look at it straight and I go, that's going to be tasting.
• 1:06:04
  What's the Vaults edition and Ross What's the?
• 1:06:06
  Difference kind of hired, yeah, Premium, yeah.
• 1:06:09
  So the colour coding is different flavour profiles.
• 1:06:12
  So pink, think of light blue is just floral.
• 1:06:15
  Yeah, yeah. And juicy Yolka vanilla is light
• 1:06:18
  blue. And you've got old and dignified
• 1:06:20
  just kind of red stuff. I I'll believe this.
• 1:06:22
  I'm just. Yeah.
• 1:06:24
  Text pal, you go. I so, so we probably should have
• 1:06:27
  said them. We're both kind of the Barton
• 1:06:29
  boys and live in Glasgow now with the Barton boys.
• 1:06:32
  Yeah, the closest to salary to us.
• 1:06:34
  Yeah, it did take us a while to to finally go and do the two on
• 1:06:37
  the taste thing. What's the strength of this one,
• 1:06:39
  John? Sorry.
• 1:06:39
  It's 55 1/2. Nice So. 50. 5.9 so so again,
• 1:06:43
  it's one of those ones that has got a special place in our heart
• 1:06:46
  and we've got another friend. Neil sometimes helps with live
• 1:06:48
  draws. He's awkward, tosh and daft.
• 1:06:50
  How many standing there all the time?
• 1:06:52
  And I mean, we, we, we had a contortion at our festival,
• 1:06:55
  speaking at the festival a bit later on, but we had annual
• 1:06:58
  there and we. We, we.
• 1:06:59
  We. Love a contortion as a brand,
• 1:07:01
  but it's sorry, I mean, it's not a bottle.
• 1:07:04
  I would go and buy every single day.
• 1:07:06
  No, I get it. But this you hit the nail on the
• 1:07:08
  head that that, and that's the whole thing of it SMWS because
• 1:07:12
  it's it's coded. It's dark green bottom.
• 1:07:14
  You don't know the colour, you don't know the salary.
• 1:07:16
  Get your preconceived notions. Yeah, 100% What the hell is
• 1:07:19
  that? Yeah.
• 1:07:20
  And and that. A lot of whiskey that is bottled
• 1:07:24
  officially even from Brill fantastic brands, a lot of them
• 1:07:29
  are bottled with a marketing perspective to them where we
• 1:07:31
  need to get a certain yield from a certain vast etcetera,
• 1:07:35
  etcetera. SNWS do a crazy volume of
• 1:07:40
  outturns. In fact, we talk about
• 1:07:41
  independent bottlers, OK, They're one of the bigger ones.
• 1:07:43
  They're not that indie. They're not an indie anymore.
• 1:07:45
  They're probably owned but they do an outturn a month, like 3
• 1:07:49
  outturns in November. That's 2030 bottles a month.
• 1:07:53
  There's ridiculous volumes of whiskey that are producing and
• 1:07:55
  it's and it's all if you don't like it, you don't buy it, but
• 1:07:59
  you will like it. Because that's that stuff, yeah.
• 1:08:01
  And I'll say straight away, OK, this is like she she child's
• 1:08:05
  care notes here. She's she's coconut.
• 1:08:07
  Exactly, exactly the beauty. Of the coconut, you've kind of
• 1:08:11
  done a bit of it. I I was similar to yourself,
• 1:08:14
  John, is the fact that I I've been given and gifted
• 1:08:18
  memberships to the SMS so many times, Scott Smallest society so
• 1:08:22
  many times. It's a thing.
• 1:08:23
  Oh, Graham, you like? It's an easy Christmas present
• 1:08:26
  and I bet you their memberships jump massively like Christmas
• 1:08:29
  time. There'll be so many people.
• 1:08:31
  Yesterday we opened up presents. It's.
• 1:08:38
  One of those things I've had to expressly say, oh, if you're
• 1:08:40
  just thinking about it, I don't want this because.
• 1:08:43
  But in the past I was, yeah, well, I don't know if I'd be
• 1:08:45
  open to it now, but I was like, no, no, I don't want that
• 1:08:47
  because it's like I'm not ready to just, well, geek out on it.
• 1:08:51
  Yeah, yeah. The thing is the.
• 1:08:53
  Thing about it is people go through different.
• 1:08:54
  Like Cody Reynolds talked about it, about the whisky journeys
• 1:08:57
  that people go on, and I probably annoyingly take every
• 1:09:02
  box of the journey that he talked about of your standard
• 1:09:04
  whiskey drinker. I'll start here, they'll end up
• 1:09:06
  there. They'll go this way, they'll go
• 1:09:07
  that way. And then I will feel something.
• 1:09:08
  I'll. Beat you whiskey at some point.
• 1:09:11
  Very. Good.
• 1:09:14
  What stage is that? When you're sitting on your own
• 1:09:17
  in a bar drinking sweet Sherry, I have a tiny little thing.
• 1:09:23
  I was very young. I the youngest person to ever
• 1:09:26
  order that at the bar. But, but, but The thing is for
• 1:09:29
  me, the SMWS was it is it didn't it wasn't about flavour and, and
• 1:09:35
  and the liquid, because what it was for me at the time was about
• 1:09:39
  trusted brands. So what I knew was Glenn Finnick
• 1:09:42
  15 was my big go to DRAM. I knew it was trustworthy.
• 1:09:47
  You see the Glenn Finnick triangle bottle?
• 1:09:49
  That's what I like. Salena cast.
• 1:09:50
  I know nothing a lot of that about it.
• 1:09:51
  And also I was amongst the whiskey drinkers.
• 1:09:54
  I was around at the time of people that you know, I was
• 1:09:57
  drinking with. It was going for like that.
• 1:10:00
  People go, I've never really heard of that and everyone
• 1:10:02
  watches 15. It's the second one of the core
• 1:10:04
  range. And and so people also your
• 1:10:06
  approach to go into bars were to say I like this.
• 1:10:08
  What should I have? Or your friends go and go give
• 1:10:10
  me like whiskey. What should we have?
• 1:10:11
  Yeah, you got S rub. Yes.
• 1:10:13
  You've got no idea exactly, but. You've effectively done an SW
• 1:10:16
  SMWS tonight because what you've done is you've literally said I
• 1:10:20
  don't care what you pick me. Yeah, just pick a pick a bottle
• 1:10:23
  and I'll try it. And that's exactly the same
• 1:10:25
  stuff. But now.
• 1:10:25
  But now it's like, it is a nice reset.
• 1:10:28
  We've become weight like we've talked a lot about.
• 1:10:31
  There's lots of different brands, there's lots of
• 1:10:32
  different companies there. And tonight we've talked about a
• 1:10:34
  lot of premium whiskey and stuff like that.
• 1:10:36
  But actually I'm going to join the SMWS.
• 1:10:39
  Yeah, if anyone who's listening is going to give us a free
• 1:10:41
  membership and if it does not, but I don't see.
• 1:10:43
  It just it just clicks. But there's a reset.
• 1:10:45
  There's a reset there. Reset and I think you, you, you
• 1:10:47
  graduate in different levels to in whiskey, right.
• 1:10:51
  So like if you you start getting into stuff and all of a sudden,
• 1:10:53
  like we sat down tonight and we start talking about the first
• 1:10:55
  thing we talked about was indie bottling.
• 1:10:57
  Yeah, and then we talked about Macallum, whatever else.
• 1:10:59
  But all most of the anti bottler stuff is not bottled at 46% or
• 1:11:03
  140%. It's all castrate, right.
• 1:11:06
  So you almost, I feel like you always you almost graduate to
• 1:11:09
  the castrate thing and then you come back the way you say and
• 1:11:12
  then you go 46 and above. I would probably I'm OK.
• 1:11:14
  Let's no, that'd be snobby. Ever like you?
• 1:11:16
  Go like you. Go up and up and up and up.
• 1:11:19
  And I mean we run. Close to bring a 64% Glen
• 1:11:21
  factors with this and I. You know, like everything.
• 1:11:24
  Cash. Yeah.
• 1:11:25
  Everything is cash, you know. Get me supplied a bit.
• 1:11:27
  At the table as well this. Yeah, it's so interesting.
• 1:11:30
  And when we talk about your competitions and you brought an
• 1:11:33
  array of bottlings, you brought, you know, core range, a sought
• 1:11:36
  after distillery, core range brought a handful from a
• 1:11:40
  fantastical fuel distillery and a really cool these are these
• 1:11:44
  are. Voters that are in your office,
• 1:11:47
  these are these. Are yeah, this is, this is the,
• 1:11:49
  this is the kind of stuff that we that we churn through whilst
• 1:11:52
  we do our business. But no but.
• 1:11:56
  The thing is, The thing is, sorry Ross, The thing is we've
• 1:12:00
  spoke about all this premium stuff that the Collectors Club
• 1:12:03
  do and do download 40s. We're doing the Horizons.
• 1:12:05
  Yes, we are. But also we, we, we do.
• 1:12:07
  For example, we've got a feature every week that we do called
• 1:12:09
  Quick Fire Drums. Quick Fire Drums is low entry
• 1:12:12
  load. You could see a Clyde side on
• 1:12:14
  there. I mean, you could have Verizon
• 1:12:15
  on there. We could also have a Clyde side
• 1:12:17
  on there seek or a ticket. There's only 40 tickets,
• 1:12:19
  something like that. Just put those numbers out the
• 1:12:20
  sky, but and it gives everyone a real chance of winning and
• 1:12:24
  because of because there's such low price bottles, but still
• 1:12:28
  great bottles and we can put a volume of them on and it reads
• 1:12:32
  new manners and it gets lots of people into whiskey and even
• 1:12:35
  going back to the really, really collectible stuff.
• 1:12:37
  You touched on it earlier about about the collectible stuff and
• 1:12:40
  the high-priced stuff having its place for certain people.
• 1:12:45
  Well, the beauty sometimes of Collectors Club is.
• 1:12:48
  Anybody can win. That 40 grand is accessible,
• 1:12:51
  yeah. For £2.
• 1:12:52
  And it's not, it's not like it's not an auction auction.
• 1:12:55
  Auction houses are great. We love auctions.
• 1:12:57
  We use auction houses and we know people that run them and
• 1:12:59
  they're fantastic. But let's be honest, that bottle
• 1:13:03
  goes to the highest bidder. This one, albeit a little bit of
• 1:13:06
  a flutter, goes to Guy who wins. It so if someone.
• 1:13:09
  Gets somebody and say I'll buy, I'll buy 10.
• 1:13:11
  I so I I can literally say if I wanted to, if I had 1000 lbs,
• 1:13:15
  I'm still willing to gamble, effect or risk that 1000 lbs.
• 1:13:18
  Yeah, I could say I'm going to buy £1000 worth of tickets.
• 1:13:21
  Depending on the limit. On the limits, we, we put limits
• 1:13:23
  for limits on the tickets For these reasons.
• 1:13:25
  And we also have like responsible gambling questions
• 1:13:28
  on the website. Yeah, you can go and actually
• 1:13:30
  see like the same way you and Willie how you can, yeah,
• 1:13:32
  lockout, delete your account or you can put set limits on daily,
• 1:13:35
  weekly. That's not the goal.
• 1:13:37
  Yeah, you have to have that. And that's something that we're.
• 1:13:39
  We're quite. Pleased.
• 1:13:40
  Very cautious. It's not something, yeah, it's
• 1:13:43
  not something that every competition site in the whole
• 1:13:45
  world does, but we've got it because we believe that it is.
• 1:13:47
  I don't. Have that when I was when I was
• 1:13:49
  following my. I think.
• 1:13:53
  The bar room No. I think 100.
• 1:13:55
  Percent. So that's sorry, I was talking
• 1:13:57
  about again the collection you brought along.
• 1:13:59
  It brings me to the question, are you working with brands for
• 1:14:02
  your competition sometimes. And so, so you'll go, we want to
• 1:14:06
  do an S and WS once a year or we want to do.
• 1:14:09
  And so that's brilliant for you as well because so yeah, into
• 1:14:11
  the industry I. Mean we are, we are working with
• 1:14:15
  brands and directly we're also working with, with one of our
• 1:14:19
  one of our suppliers or a few of us suppliers that that
• 1:14:22
  distribute all the kind of stuff accessible stuff and get your
• 1:14:24
  usual allocations all that kind of stuff you do.
• 1:14:26
  Your. Services all that kind of thing,
• 1:14:28
  but and we are working more and more I'll say now direct with
• 1:14:32
  brands and that's just through gaining more popularity and
• 1:14:36
  getting more all of us getting more out there.
• 1:14:38
  And I think, I think the fact that we, we started in it was
• 1:14:42
  just a birthday of their 2nd birthday 28th of November when
• 1:14:45
  we started in 22, didn't start trading until the 1st of May 23
• 1:14:51
  and got going fine cool we were, we were getting rid of all that
• 1:14:56
  connection. Was the first spot.
• 1:14:57
  He gave away it was a Macallan night on earth because we bought
• 1:15:01
  that was the first one that ever came out.
• 1:15:03
  But then we all the the most successful one on week 1.
• 1:15:06
  Was it Aaron wasn't it was an Aaron old school Aaron in a in a
• 1:15:10
  square box. A square and a big huge box with
• 1:15:12
  it. That was one of my dad's
• 1:15:14
  collection. Yeah, it.
• 1:15:15
  Was one of the Dallas Cactus of the Stellar's edition, I think
• 1:15:18
  it was. Still, that's like the Little
• 1:15:19
  Distiller's Edition. And jazz festivals.
• 1:15:21
  Maybe Jazz Fest, maybe one Jazz Festival and then we had like
• 1:15:24
  151617 Jazz Festival somewhere was the next set.
• 1:15:28
  The people who are who are kind of helping us build the website,
• 1:15:31
  they've done it for a million people.
• 1:15:32
  They said open with six competitions and that McAllen
• 1:15:35
  one was the first one to sell out because it was the hot new
• 1:15:37
  McAllen. That's the only one we bought.
• 1:15:39
  The rest were from the put more 11 year old on there as well
• 1:15:43
  after Sheila Sheila 2017. It wasn't blue label on it and.
• 1:15:48
  Been late, late years. Those are weird wonderful
• 1:15:50
  things, the handfuls and stuff like we endeavour always like to
• 1:15:54
  go to like we were talking about Glen Allen here on so like we
• 1:15:57
  went to Glen Allen and got like the Ruby port, 17 year old Ruby
• 1:16:00
  port yeah, Distiller explosive, one of the best drums of 2024
• 1:16:04
  and obviously unbelievable. And then yeah.
• 1:16:07
  And we. Would go go to the.
• 1:16:09
  Distilleries and put on distillery explosive bottles as
• 1:16:11
  as well so. Could you hear that support?
• 1:16:13
  I think it's a show that you boys are genuine whiskey
• 1:16:16
  enthusiasts. Exactly.
• 1:16:17
  So that's the message. Cause 'cause I get it.
• 1:16:20
  I get it from you straight away. Actually, you, you will say that
• 1:16:23
  like I didn't know he's before tonight.
• 1:16:24
  Yeah, he's love it. Yeah, like you're talking about
• 1:16:27
  later on. Sorry Scott there about the the
• 1:16:29
  McCallum hem, the 13 year old and one of the competitions in
• 1:16:32
  October, the one and two we give away 50 of them.
• 1:16:34
  Right. And so just did that just.
• 1:16:37
  And that's what's again. Shows you know, it's not like
• 1:16:40
  boast or what. Just been in like.
• 1:16:42
  That's. We, we, we've talked about that.
• 1:16:44
  We've opened with those. Those drams and those are
• 1:16:46
  interesting drams. Interesting topic, right?
• 1:16:48
  Then McCallum thing in the space and secret.
• 1:16:51
  When? You and you know we've put a
• 1:16:53
  bottle that in 50 peoples hands yeah yeah when it's like when.
• 1:16:56
  You do, John, a big competition, you're to that and you want it.
• 1:17:01
  You hand delivering that that bottle that tomorrow.
• 1:17:04
  Yes, yes. The big ones, absolutely.
• 1:17:05
  Yeah, yeah. Absolutely, yeah.
• 1:17:09
  Extra extra content first and foremost, but also you turn up
• 1:17:13
  and you give somebody 45 year old like such a good feeling.
• 1:17:18
  That's some pretty serious. Some stuff we'll post we do it
• 1:17:21
  in a through our supplier yeah and because you just you need
• 1:17:25
  sometimes people live in soccer mango yeah UK way to.
• 1:17:29
  UK. UK.
• 1:17:30
  Yeah, for. Now UK.
• 1:17:32
  Yeah, the competition industry, yeah, for our type of thing is
• 1:17:37
  limited to UK only. Yeah, they do have it in
• 1:17:39
  Australia for skydiving. Yeah.
• 1:17:44
  Exactly. I.
• 1:17:46
  Feel weird stuff like Des up like.
• 1:17:49
  Transporters and. Stuff and and America is is
• 1:17:53
  weird because America's they have different gambling laws in
• 1:17:56
  each state. I was going to say, you have to,
• 1:17:58
  you know, it'll be one of these ones where you win a, you win a
• 1:18:00
  40,000 LB bottle of Macallan. You have to pay so many tax on
• 1:18:04
  it. Actually, you know.
• 1:18:06
  What when you look, we're going back to the collector's side of
• 1:18:09
  things. And I've had that we, we might
• 1:18:11
  have been talking about this one, one of the previous
• 1:18:13
  episodes actually, because I've talked about recently and there
• 1:18:17
  is this concept of buying. And I've had a lot of people
• 1:18:21
  sort of through doing the podcast, people who maybe aren't
• 1:18:23
  whiskey drinkers, people who also don't listen to the
• 1:18:25
  podcast. Actually, in fact, today, I know
• 1:18:29
  this is going on the 26th, but today I was under serious,
• 1:18:32
  serious pressure because my mates, in fact, if Gary's
• 1:18:38
  listening, I hope it was worth it.
• 1:18:39
  But my mates, we brother they, they, so my mate George Shields,
• 1:18:44
  his little brother Thomas, they're in a big family and
• 1:18:48
  every year in their family, there's loads of them, a big
• 1:18:52
  fight family. They they do a Secret Santa.
• 1:18:55
  Instead of getting everybody a gift, you just get a name out of
• 1:18:57
  the hat. And it's like, I think it's no
• 1:19:00
  more than 75 lbs is this, it's a big gift.
• 1:19:02
  That's a gift because they're all for a close friend, because
• 1:19:05
  they're all, they're all very good close family, but there's
• 1:19:08
  lots of them. So basically he's drawn, well,
• 1:19:11
  he's drawn his brother-in-law, he's drawn his brother on Gary,
• 1:19:14
  now Gary's dad, it was George Drummond.
• 1:19:17
  George Drummond was the one who did the Ben Rea 25.
• 1:19:22
  Charity auction. Charity auction.
• 1:19:23
  So George raises a hell of a lot of money for the British Hat
• 1:19:26
  Foundation, a whiskey taste and stuff.
• 1:19:27
  Yeah, Thomas has messaged me, said Graham.
• 1:19:30
  I've been giving Gary in the in the Secrets Family Secrets aunt.
• 1:19:34
  What I'm buying for? Correct.
• 1:19:36
  Give me a, give me, give me a whiskey that I should buy £5 and
• 1:19:39
  that's up to £75, right? And that was that. £85 gets you
• 1:19:44
  a 25 year old bledge. What?
• 1:19:45
  You if I know you? If I know you, yes if I know
• 1:19:51
  you. You said you said break the
• 1:19:53
  rules. Spend 85 on the whiskey story.
• 1:19:55
  You really want to push it out there.
• 1:19:56
  I didn't give him that one, but. It's you're terrible, Gary.
• 1:20:02
  Gary, I hope you really enjoyed your 25 year old black you got.
• 1:20:05
  For £75, again it would depend on what somebody.
• 1:20:09
  It's a good question. Though so, so the the I gave
• 1:20:12
  him, I gave him 5 for the bonus and you know what the bonus is
• 1:20:14
  'cause you've already told that one.
• 1:20:16
  So the first one I said for that Arne Merkin and Sherry, right?
• 1:20:19
  I said yeah, that that's A and. You're high on that.
• 1:20:22
  But I said that's but it's also maybe a whiskey that he wouldn't
• 1:20:25
  necessarily go for. I know that him and his dad
• 1:20:28
  absolutely love Glenn going right.
• 1:20:31
  So they've talked about Glenn going.
• 1:20:32
  I said maybe go for the Glenn. Well, I said go for the Glenn
• 1:20:35
  going white oak, right. I thought again, another part of
• 1:20:38
  the Glenn going release that he wouldn't he wouldn't go for.
• 1:20:42
  What else did I do? I Glyn Cadham 15.
• 1:20:44
  I looked back to the book and said that's been a lot 3 grams
• 1:20:46
  recently. So that's not bad.
• 1:20:47
  Closing pairs. Good.
• 1:20:48
  Yeah, yeah. He's going.
• 1:20:50
  And then I went to Glen Moore's. I went Glen Moore.
• 1:20:54
  Fifteen, 2009 Milton Duff and I went for the altmoor that we had
• 1:20:59
  on the whiskey taste I. Would say if they're if they're
• 1:21:02
  Glenn Goreen fans, it's hard to look past Glen Aleki 15 for 70.
• 1:21:06
  That, that was the thing I just wanted to, but suddenly that,
• 1:21:09
  that element of pressure. Now what also happens and that
• 1:21:11
  what people say is I've had a few people saying, oh, I'm
• 1:21:16
  thinking about buying. There's, there's three people in
• 1:21:17
  particular that have come to me and said that I'm thinking about
• 1:21:20
  buying, investing in a whiskey bottle.
• 1:21:22
  And I've kind of got it. Like mate, I'll be totally hands
• 1:21:24
  up here. I buy whiskey, drink whiskey.
• 1:21:27
  Sure people other people will like you, you guys and, and, and
• 1:21:30
  you're saying they'll they'll buy whiskey to investors.
• 1:21:33
  It's I don't really know. But what I do know is that
• 1:21:35
  buying 1 bottle and and thinking that you're going to turn that
• 1:21:39
  bottle into a fortune is, is not going to happen.
• 1:21:42
  And then you've also got similar to yourself, you've got them
• 1:21:44
  because we all know about the guy who had an 18 year 18.
• 1:21:48
  And then you know, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:21:50
  So, so you've got these people that do not, but then and again,
• 1:21:54
  there's all that side of things. One of the really interesting
• 1:21:58
  concepts that I've and there's a guy very close to you where you
• 1:22:01
  stay, and I'm not going to in a pub in in Edinburgh.
• 1:22:05
  Yeah, Hugo, his name is. He runs a Saint Bernard's bar.
• 1:22:08
  Yeah. And he used to be a chandelier
• 1:22:11
  dealer. You.
• 1:22:11
  Can pay a Bitcoin no deal. Did you know you can pay a
• 1:22:14
  Bitcoin in Saint Vincent's? Saint Bernard's, not Saint
• 1:22:17
  Bernard's, can you? Well, Hugo used to be a
• 1:22:20
  chandelier dealer of it was antiques dealer specialised in
• 1:22:28
  chandelier. You go in that pub.
• 1:22:29
  There's. Loads of chandeliers.
• 1:22:35
  But he's like all the broken ones on mother.
• 1:22:37
  He just. Fixed.
• 1:22:37
  But but one of the things about him is he's a very eccentric
• 1:22:41
  character. He walk about town in a bow or
• 1:22:42
  hat, pair of braces, black and white trousers.
• 1:22:45
  Did he go to your school? He's got a big no.
• 1:22:49
  I don't know. But he's got, he's got the old
• 1:22:52
  style beard that he's just a very eccentric character.
• 1:22:55
  Speaks very posh, frightfully posh.
• 1:22:57
  But one of the things, the two things, they're guaranteed in
• 1:22:59
  there, number one, well, three things.
• 1:23:00
  You'll get good, good service off him because he's very good
• 1:23:03
  at running the bat #2 it's going to be futile chandeliers.
• 1:23:06
  But #3 the music, the music that he's got on is absolutely
• 1:23:10
  fantastic. And it's all vinyl, right?
• 1:23:12
  Now. What he does is Vince Hugo.
• 1:23:18
  Hugo. Sorry, just a picture invasion.
• 1:23:24
  Here we go. Pod Invader.
• 1:23:28
  He's he's. Going to pick up his name, but
• 1:23:37
  basically so Hugo. So just just so but what Hugo
• 1:23:41
  does and I must. I'm sure I remember this
• 1:23:43
  correctly because I was I had a few drinks at the time.
• 1:23:46
  Hugo collates and creates his his own record collection over
• 1:23:52
  seven years, right? And it's there's no rhyme nor
• 1:23:57
  reason to it, right? So it could be on one vinyl.
• 1:24:01
  It could be, I don't know the The Rolling Stones, but I'll be
• 1:24:05
  a good Rolling Stones. How have you started this story?
• 1:24:07
  But. But one story he.
• 1:24:10
  Collates and creates this this collection for seven years and
• 1:24:14
  then he sells it at on the 7th year.
• 1:24:17
  But. People buy it not because it's
• 1:24:19
  like a Rolling Stones vinyl collection.
• 1:24:21
  People buy it because it's Hugo's collection.
• 1:24:24
  Right. So there's there's no you don't,
• 1:24:26
  you know what you don't know is you don't know what is going to
• 1:24:30
  be in that vinyl box. Yeah, yeah, right.
• 1:24:32
  But what you do know is that if it's Hugo that's done it, it's
• 1:24:35
  going to sell. Now, could you imagine?
• 1:24:38
  We've got some, we've seen some cracking bars, home bars on our
• 1:24:42
  whiskey stories. Group.
• 1:24:44
  When we do the walk today, when we do the weekend tram roll call
• 1:24:47
  and there's like, I imagine like that's one thing I look at and I
• 1:24:50
  say, Can you imagine if, for example, Ross Barr, if you were
• 1:24:54
  to say. Rather my 2024 box, Ross's box.
• 1:24:58
  You can that's. It, yeah.
• 1:24:59
  And you don't know what you're getting, but what you do know is
• 1:25:02
  there's gonna be betters in there.
• 1:25:03
  Yeah, right. And that's, that's the
• 1:25:05
  collection side of things, of the curation of that.
• 1:25:08
  And I think from a collector's point of view, that appeals to
• 1:25:11
  me more. And I'll try and say, and I have
• 1:25:13
  said this to be able to say, look, just be mystery.
• 1:25:15
  Box Yeah, A. Mystery box, yeah, but he's
• 1:25:17
  always doing mystery. Drums and stuff, yeah.
• 1:25:20
  We did do stuff and I think also we have dabbled also and doing
• 1:25:24
  online tastings kind of down stay on Zoom.
• 1:25:27
  But depending on how things go in the New year, which is just a
• 1:25:32
  few days and we would like to do old and rare tastings.
• 1:25:38
  Obviously that does come out because the bottles cost us
• 1:25:40
  money, but I think that works again.
• 1:25:44
  And. What we will try to do on that
• 1:25:49
  is we'll try to get old and rare drums and for people to why do
• 1:25:54
  you drink the stuff? We'll break even on the stuff.
• 1:25:56
  But you know, ultimately they'll already be collectors, club
• 1:25:59
  memos or or whatever. It's just giving something back
• 1:26:01
  to to our customers, Facebook players.
• 1:26:05
  Yeah. 5-6 hundred. People, our favorite.
• 1:26:07
  Group and it's. You build a community like we
• 1:26:09
  are doing that and we, you know, like you say, you're, you're,
• 1:26:12
  you're, you're doing that thing where it's like the drum for
• 1:26:14
  the. Weekend and drum roll call
• 1:26:15
  people. People are.
• 1:26:16
  That's a cool name for. It and you know, and like
• 1:26:18
  everyone like. Yes, man, that's not looking at
• 1:26:20
  all these things for you lads and I'm sure you'll have thought
• 1:26:22
  about it already. Is you approach a distillery,
• 1:26:25
  one of the new boys or whatever, are you buy a cask?
• 1:26:28
  Are you put your cask up for competition?
• 1:26:29
  We've we've got 6 on the road cash, but six cash on the road
• 1:26:34
  do you yeah, you can win 6 cash right now on.
• 1:26:36
  The six cash in one entry. No, no, no.
• 1:26:39
  No, no, let's see. And you should win.
• 1:26:41
  And one, three, there's, there's six of them on the other.
• 1:26:44
  Oh yeah. A cask of whiskey.
• 1:26:45
  What 5-1's already been one One's 15 remaining.
• 1:26:48
  I think that cool. Well, look, Ross, you, you.
• 1:26:51
  But yeah, you're so right. Like the.
• 1:26:52
  But yes, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:26:53
  I mean, there's we've got. Eyes on that and I understand a
• 1:26:56
  distillery class. And it's sort of because it is,
• 1:26:59
  is a very, you know, spoken about and controversial market,
• 1:27:04
  brokers market. But you go, if you go directly
• 1:27:06
  from to distillers or if you're going from very trusted bottlers
• 1:27:10
  who also have brokerage companies, Yeah.
• 1:27:13
  And there's already kind of routing there's.
• 1:27:15
  Between two or three people. That I would trust.
• 1:27:17
  And then, then, then you're going to get, you're going to
• 1:27:20
  get stuff that you can offer your users.
• 1:27:22
  Yeah, we, we, we've been quite careful so far.
• 1:27:25
  And these, these six instant wind casks are part of our kind
• 1:27:28
  of December Christmas showdown. It's called the Christmas cast
• 1:27:31
  hunt this competition, right? And you can win a cask instantly
• 1:27:33
  instruments. But you've hit the nail on the
• 1:27:35
  head. You really have to kind of do
• 1:27:37
  your homework, do your due diligence, as you say, make sure
• 1:27:39
  you're getting the cast from the right person.
• 1:27:42
  And then in the description to our competition, it is you
• 1:27:44
  exclusively own a cask of whiskey.
• 1:27:46
  You don't own something that's gonna make you 12% a year.
• 1:27:49
  You don't own something that hundred visual blogs and 25
• 1:27:52
  other job blogs. He's also owned for 55% a year.
• 1:27:55
  No, we get cash go. You pack your cask on the head,
• 1:28:00
  sign the deeds and, and yeah, you've got it.
• 1:28:03
  And yeah, ours, ours is with, with, with a trusted bottler
• 1:28:07
  right now. We've also discussed doing
• 1:28:09
  something a bit more premium in the new year with direct to
• 1:28:13
  distillery on. How exciting is that?
• 1:28:15
  So. Ross, this is the thing.
• 1:28:17
  It's like this is something that's different, that's in an
• 1:28:19
  industry that's that's what a 200 year old industry.
• 1:28:23
  So for a lot of people, and we've talked about this on the
• 1:28:26
  podcast a lot in the sense that COVID helped the whiskey
• 1:28:30
  industry a lot and and in one way because it forced the
• 1:28:34
  industry to move forward faster. Yeah, this podcast was born kind
• 1:28:39
  of out of COVID or it's not secondary.
• 1:28:41
  How many people have we had on the podcast that have talked
• 1:28:43
  about what what they did? Distilleries realise the value
• 1:28:47
  in tourism a lot more when they realise people can't come to
• 1:28:50
  their distilleries anymore. Distilleries invested heavily in
• 1:28:53
  technology to bring people in. We had virtual tastings that
• 1:28:56
  never had been done before the two.
• 1:28:59
  Years. Except the perfect you do when
• 1:29:00
  you walk around. Virtual tours.
• 1:29:02
  And the perfect example of the whole competition industry thing
• 1:29:07
  is the biggest, obviously it's the norm whiskey related, right,
• 1:29:10
  the biggest car, one that was about founded seven days
• 1:29:14
  performance. In the UK.
• 1:29:15
  Was founded during COVID, yeah. Done their best or, or before
• 1:29:18
  COVID, but basically if COVID didn't happen, then they would.
• 1:29:21
  Yeah. That's sort of like it's a segue
• 1:29:24
  in these different places where people are starting up.
• 1:29:26
  Yeah. And then making, making
• 1:29:28
  something, you know, I want to do something by myself.
• 1:29:30
  Yeah, you know, and. But there are, I mean, myself
• 1:29:32
  included, you know, and from a Full disclosure point, I am a
• 1:29:36
  cynic as I'm a FIFA, right? So yeah, The thing is.
• 1:29:41
  File questions no. But from a cynical situation is
• 1:29:44
  you, you scroll through these these Facebook competitions, you
• 1:29:47
  see them and you go Nah, no having it.
• 1:29:50
  How on earth are you telling me that for 2 LB I get a chance to
• 1:29:53
  win a 40,005 bottle whiskey? So, so, so it's our job to make
• 1:29:57
  sure it's, it's transparent, incredible.
• 1:30:00
  I mean, we're sitting here with you just now and when you see
• 1:30:02
  Collectors Club on there, you probably see my face on the
• 1:30:04
  screen. Yeah, that's what you have to
• 1:30:05
  do, that you have to put a face to the name.
• 1:30:07
  Every Thursday we go live on Facebook.
• 1:30:09
  We have to put their faces to the name.
• 1:30:11
  The only reason you don't see his name is because he's so
• 1:30:13
  bloody good with the camera and, and, and he makes me look good
• 1:30:17
  when I'm trying to advertise the brand.
• 1:30:18
  But like you say, you're a cynic.
• 1:30:21
  We have had not so much hurdles to claim.
• 1:30:24
  I haven't really had that, but there has been things where
• 1:30:27
  people kind of stop going. You do that, you do that and you
• 1:30:30
  get these stupid Facebook comments from people go, no, I
• 1:30:33
  don't think that's quite right. But you know, you have to be as
• 1:30:35
  transparent as possible. I think.
• 1:30:37
  I think we are. And what you said earlier, I
• 1:30:39
  really, really appreciate that, you know, that we get it.
• 1:30:42
  And the fact that we, we're not just offering these big, huge
• 1:30:45
  competitions where where it's, it's big prize money and it's
• 1:30:48
  like, it's like 777 gambling, all that kind of stuff.
• 1:30:51
  No, we, we, we, we, we, we'll put one of these on at almost
• 1:30:54
  break even. We'll put this all, we'll put
• 1:30:55
  that on. We'll do volume.
• 1:30:56
  Yeah. And all these instant wins are
• 1:30:57
  usually deep, this kind of criteria of bottle so that even
• 1:31:01
  if you don't win that you might get something you didn't really
• 1:31:03
  want. But we'll try it and you then
• 1:31:04
  you'll become a Western Indian. We're trying to try and work
• 1:31:08
  with brands like Wood Rose. We've done a we've.
• 1:31:10
  Put the wood rose there five year.
• 1:31:12
  Old. 45 year. Old not that we'll try like on a
• 1:31:16
  look at this one because they're the small guy, but because like
• 1:31:19
  we love this. We think you might love this.
• 1:31:21
  There's there's a bottle of that, yeah.
• 1:31:24
  And. The thing is about that as well
• 1:31:26
  is we've, there's been so many people on the podcast have
• 1:31:28
  talked about this is like whiskey is a very friendly
• 1:31:31
  industry, but it's also it's very protective industry.
• 1:31:34
  Whiskey is whiskey, You've got brands within a brand.
• 1:31:38
  Scotch whiskey is a brand and every person who has a
• 1:31:41
  distillery or an organization, a bottler, but then the Scotch
• 1:31:43
  whiskey industry is their own brand within the whiskey brand.
• 1:31:47
  So that, so when you see the brand is very protective of
• 1:31:53
  itself. It's whiskey is very protective
• 1:31:55
  itself. People have talked about whiskey
• 1:31:56
  being built in relationships and stuff like that.
• 1:31:58
  And what we know is that you don't survive very long within
• 1:32:01
  the industry if you haven't built up these relationships.
• 1:32:04
  So the fact that you're saying like, you know, it's two years
• 1:32:06
  and then and we've been going for two years, You're, you're
• 1:32:08
  and, and, and I've said it as. Well.
• 1:32:11
  You're not getting access to the items and bottles that you guys,
• 1:32:15
  you're not going to access to cash.
• 1:32:16
  You're not getting access to the bottles.
• 1:32:18
  Alright, there, there will be a certain level that if you pay
• 1:32:20
  enough money you will get. That no, you say?
• 1:32:22
  That's the whole point. You have to build those
• 1:32:23
  relationships up to. Be able to say.
• 1:32:25
  There's a lot there's a lot of background work that goes
• 1:32:27
  correct John and I to be able to acquire these guys get bloody
• 1:32:30
  McCallum rise. Not anyone just put our hands on
• 1:32:32
  that. We've worked very, very, very
• 1:32:33
  hard to to, to do that as well. And and I I think it's.
• 1:32:37
  I think sometimes it's simplicity.
• 1:32:39
  The festival was also another thing with that as well.
• 1:32:42
  So we, we, we, we. Six months in, John thought.
• 1:32:46
  I know, yeah. Six months in a new business.
• 1:32:48
  We we decided they were going to.
• 1:32:50
  We, we thought like, what was something else we could do?
• 1:32:52
  Like let's have a whiskey festival.
• 1:32:54
  So we sell a whiskey festival. We we started the loan didn't
• 1:32:57
  loan the Clyde Whiskey festival. Holy shit was a lot.
• 1:33:01
  Almost killed the cop game. I don't know if anyone in here
• 1:33:03
  was. So awful about SWANA Whiskey
• 1:33:05
  festival bets. I didn't.
• 1:33:08
  Know that Son of Whiskey Festival?
• 1:33:10
  Yeah. Roman and Clyde Whiskey Festival
• 1:33:12
  in Hellsborough. This year, every every year, it.
• 1:33:14
  Was the first year of this year 21st?
• 1:33:16
  And you're looking to do 1 next year?
• 1:33:18
  Yes. Next year, so we welcome to the
• 1:33:20
  podcast. With the Megan, Yeah.
• 1:33:22
  So, so where, where, where exactly is the festival?
• 1:33:25
  Where do you have? Elmsbrough.
• 1:33:26
  So it's the name. Or central.
• 1:33:28
  That's one of the stops. You're really tails asleep on
• 1:33:31
  the train if you wake up there. Really, you're either on your
• 1:33:33
  way. A whiskey.
• 1:33:34
  A whiskey festival. You fellowship.
• 1:33:36
  With somebody like the other. Way.
• 1:33:38
  Train stations are actually entering and so how big's the
• 1:33:40
  festival? How many?
• 1:33:41
  How many this this year was on 240 a session each session 2.
• 1:33:45
  Sessions. One day, but it was only two
• 1:33:47
  sessions. One day, but it was only, it was
• 1:33:48
  only 300 capacity because the venue in there to to us, there's
• 1:33:51
  nothing worse than going to a festival and you can't speak to
• 1:33:54
  the guy in front. You need to get a bit of banner
• 1:33:56
  by the guy and I'm trying to give you banter back, right?
• 1:33:58
  So we limited it to 300 per session.
• 1:34:01
  We managed to get 24250 per session.
• 1:34:03
  It was all family hands on deck. It was brilliant, John.
• 1:34:06
  Exhibitors. How many exhibitors was?
• 1:34:08
  That. What's that?
• 1:34:08
  40 exhibitors was that? Yeah, I think we ended up with
• 1:34:11
  like 32 or 33 with Roman was the main sponsor.
• 1:34:15
  We had Autumn Torsion. Thankfully they came along.
• 1:34:17
  We had a lot of other big brands, Clyde, Clyde, say were
• 1:34:20
  there Glasgow Sale, Northstar, Cara.
• 1:34:24
  And your first year is always your hardest.
• 1:34:26
  Oh shit. But seriously, I mean, you've
• 1:34:28
  been Animal Whiskey Festival. Yeah, I didn't realize it was
• 1:34:31
  these were the lads that are speaking to.
• 1:34:33
  Yeah, of course. You know that that's that's
• 1:34:36
  brilliant. Again, it's brilliant for
• 1:34:38
  Scotland. It's Brent for the 16.
• 1:34:39
  Scotland have to have another option.
• 1:34:41
  I love this question. Was there a festival
• 1:34:43
  competition? There are, well, there there
• 1:34:46
  was, but it wasn't drawn on the day.
• 1:34:48
  But we, we kind of tried to Yeah.
• 1:34:50
  But the whole branding was different.
• 1:34:52
  It's got whole brand, whole branding was different.
• 1:34:53
  Although John being the creative guy that he is, we we've got
• 1:34:56
  we've got one, we've got a an emblem that we've got the
• 1:34:59
  collectors club logo, but the emblem is actually like a cask
• 1:35:01
  end with AC and AC just like the collectors club, but it's a it's
• 1:35:05
  a cask top cask end. So that was that was on there,
• 1:35:08
  but half of it was on the woman. The Clydebasky vest was a kinda
• 1:35:11
  just a little it sucks, but it's not as different.
• 1:35:13
  And it was purely just to do an enthusiasts festival and it
• 1:35:16
  went, it went very, very, very well.
• 1:35:18
  And we don't I remember we should not often get it's no,
• 1:35:24
  no, it was well, we we were first the first festival we went
• 1:35:30
  to as exhibitors for collectors Club was the first one at hand.
• 1:35:33
  And that Graeme and Serena did. Oh yeah.
• 1:35:35
  So from that we did clacks as well.
• 1:35:37
  And we were. We were already thinking about
• 1:35:39
  doing a festival even before Cliff was going to fight, do
• 1:35:41
  down some team we thought about doing.
• 1:35:43
  That, yeah, I feel really bad that I didn't know you lads, no.
• 1:35:46
  Sorry that you mean that we've kind of.
• 1:35:50
  Succeeded in the sense. Well, that was the idea.
• 1:35:53
  You know, like we we just wanted to sell the whiskey festival.
• 1:35:55
  It's definitely probably a lot of brands didn't quite know that
• 1:35:58
  but but we collectors club loan McLean whiskey festival the same
• 1:36:01
  but the. Same, but definitely.
• 1:36:02
  Yeah, yeah. So you don't.
• 1:36:04
  So when you're exhibiting at a festival that's not your
• 1:36:06
  festival, what are you doing We. We take, we take a lot of the
• 1:36:09
  collectible stuff there. Maybe not quite a horizon, but
• 1:36:11
  we take, take some of the stuff that's on the site right now.
• 1:36:13
  Yeah, we, we've got big signs of a QR code.
• 1:36:15
  We get the guys, kind of. Shelling the idea of the
• 1:36:17
  competition. We're not, we're not trying to
• 1:36:19
  get people to spend A5 round tickets there and then because
• 1:36:21
  at the end of the day, we've been on the table many, many
• 1:36:23
  times. What you want to do at a
• 1:36:24
  festival, you want to get your DRAM glass, you want to speak
• 1:36:26
  drams, drink drams, talk drams, move on, come back, do a couple
• 1:36:30
  of laps, don't you? You don't want to get bogged
• 1:36:31
  down by someone want an e-mail address, credit card details,
• 1:36:33
  blah, blah, blah. So what we do is we raise
• 1:36:35
  awareness for the club and we we do a charity raffle for whoever
• 1:36:40
  the chat because normally these things are charity attached to
• 1:36:41
  them. And what we do is when the guys
• 1:36:43
  come out, we will pour drums kind of like these.
• 1:36:45
  We're not quite as pricey as some of these, but we'll, we'll
• 1:36:48
  do whatever dramas we bloody want because we're not
• 1:36:50
  affiliated with anyone. Yeah, of course.
• 1:36:52
  Get them to, to know what what it is we do and we'll just ask
• 1:36:54
  if they want to at the end and then e-mail address and we'll
• 1:36:57
  e-mail you next week. Go and enjoy your day.
• 1:36:59
  Yeah, that's it. There is another DRAM floating
• 1:37:01
  about, so I have to ask you, what about Glengiri?
• 1:37:03
  I actually, I actually haven't had these two that are in front
• 1:37:09
  of me, but the the Glengiri, you'll love it.
• 1:37:12
  I'm going to say Facebook games. You are.
• 1:37:16
  No, that's my favorite. No good to.
• 1:37:20
  See the head of research Been working today you're.
• 1:37:23
  I'm going to space size. You know, you know.
• 1:37:28
  I've been, absolutely. But Glengiri is is a distillery.
• 1:37:33
  David lines on the and I don't know if David is a fully fledged
• 1:37:38
  listener because there's been two references or one reference.
• 1:37:43
  Never. Understood.
• 1:37:44
  Well, there was one reference last week where someone said I'm
• 1:37:46
  out on holiday with my current wife and and that is that's that
• 1:37:50
  is a that's a joke. That's a joke of the podcast.
• 1:37:53
  And he was like current wife. Oh dear.
• 1:37:55
  Hope the holidays not good but he.
• 1:37:58
  But. He's he's a regular heated
• 1:37:59
  diggers and he posts a lot of kind of reviews and stuff.
• 1:38:02
  On he loves Glengarie and. I'll tell you, I visited
• 1:38:06
  Glengarie this year. It's probably the highlight of
• 1:38:12
  the distilleries that I've visited this year, Cat and
• 1:38:16
  Whiskey Cat. And it does this live of invalid
• 1:38:19
  whiskey every month or so. Just about distillery putting
• 1:38:24
  themselves back, old school, reintroducing floor maltings.
• 1:38:27
  Good. The liquid that they're doing is
• 1:38:29
  fantastic. The quality of Cassidy is
• 1:38:30
  fantastic. It's, you know, a very old
• 1:38:34
  school distillery. That drum there is treacle.
• 1:38:37
  It's Toffee. Porta.
• 1:38:38
  Surgery. Oh wait a minute, can.
• 1:38:39
  I say something we don't do. We don't do a lot of tasting
• 1:38:44
  underground crazy tastes notes, right, But that's that it was we
• 1:38:47
  we were we were self-proclaimed cask chasers.
• 1:38:51
  So we we we're trying identify the chask.
• 1:38:54
  Oh, so that's what you'll do. That's what you'll do.
• 1:38:56
  So when you're trying to drive, you'll say right?
• 1:38:58
  With Glenn, that's, that's fino Sherry, that's a Monteado that
• 1:39:00
  every Glenn gave, especially this one.
• 1:39:02
  I mean the bottle's brought for a few weeks now so it's maybe
• 1:39:05
  not quite as as hot, but when we were the cab heads tasting there
• 1:39:08
  was a Monteado finish clinky 9 year old something.
• 1:39:11
  Like that? We bought a bottle and then she
• 1:39:14
  said to us, what's everyone getting from this?
• 1:39:16
  You know, that way you are tasting.
• 1:39:18
  Oh, here we go. Here we go.
• 1:39:19
  Who's going to say fresh cut grass?
• 1:39:21
  Who's going to give it a leather couch bar?
• 1:39:22
  And I was like, I've got I've got something here.
• 1:39:24
  I've got something, but I don't want to say it.
• 1:39:26
  Don't want to say it. Scott, don't say it.
• 1:39:27
  You may ask yourself, don't say it.
• 1:39:28
  I meant Coca-Cola. Coca-Cola.
• 1:39:32
  I agree better. What are you doing?
• 1:39:35
  It was that or what have you just done?
• 1:39:36
  What was that? Yeah.
• 1:39:39
  We had what was it? It was a Builders breakfast.
• 1:39:41
  Crisps was it? It was Builders Walker's
• 1:39:44
  Builders Breakfast. Crisps it was.
• 1:39:47
  Aye, I can tell scam it. As much as that, The thing is.
• 1:39:52
  You, you chase casks. You chase casks, right?
• 1:39:54
  And you want to try and get Have you ever had?
• 1:39:57
  Was it Lithuanian blueberry wine?
• 1:40:01
  Top guy. Was it last night?
• 1:40:06
  Lithuanian. And it was.
• 1:40:08
  It was. Lithuanian or Latvian it.
• 1:40:09
  Was Lithuanian. It.
• 1:40:10
  Was labeled as a grain whiskey, but it was all barley of.
• 1:40:13
  Course. So it was a Lithuanian but a
• 1:40:15
  single grain but. It tastes.
• 1:40:17
  It was. Obviously malted barley, but
• 1:40:18
  probably in a slightly different still.
• 1:40:21
  That lost you already. Blueberry, Blueberry wine and.
• 1:40:25
  It was fine it. Was fine but just very quickly
• 1:40:28
  before we move on to your watery drams because the posts are here
• 1:40:31
  to pick you up but the the one thing is the Barton blads then
• 1:40:40
  right Yeah so the Barton holds a small Fanny the geese or if it's
• 1:40:46
  that ring any bells and let's get to say because the Barton is
• 1:40:48
  still a little. Bit I.
• 1:40:50
  The Dumbarton is still a. Yeah, we were.
• 1:40:52
  We were still, we were still about when them when the geese
• 1:40:55
  at the well, that's the shivers she was.
• 1:40:57
  Well, yeah, so it was Valentine. So basically.
• 1:41:00
  John stays in the corner, so. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:02
  So I stayed there in just 5 minutes down the road for there.
• 1:41:05
  So the geese used to actually be real geese there.
• 1:41:07
  Yeah, 'cause I would never been to garden.
• 1:41:09
  You've been, I've been done and they've been replaced by metal
• 1:41:12
  geese now, so. But that was all 'cause I.
• 1:41:14
  Mean the actual the Barton distillery itself?
• 1:41:16
  I don't know if you know, say infrequent Flyers, you know,
• 1:41:20
  Yeah, yeah. The Independent.
• 1:41:22
  Bottle. That's a family Walker.
• 1:41:23
  Walker's son so. He he he's released.
• 1:41:27
  That I think it was 1998, which is actually my birth year I
• 1:41:30
  think. In many years and all, no. 99
• 1:41:32
  No. 99 sorry 89 sorry 89 So he really started a 1989 Dumbarton.
• 1:41:37
  Oh, really? Fully matured in our PX, Sherry.
• 1:41:41
  Oh, and it. Could have tried it, but we've
• 1:41:44
  we've given one of them away, actually gave away a set of
• 1:41:46
  them, got another one. Because the thing about that,
• 1:41:50
  again, Ross, this is a wee bit of whiskey geek geekiness here.
• 1:41:54
  The Dumbart, I think we've talked about this before.
• 1:41:56
  The Dumbarton Distillery was one of the few grain distilleries
• 1:42:00
  that they had that didn't use the alias Coffee coffee Still,
• 1:42:06
  but the stills that they did because the Dumbarton Distillery
• 1:42:09
  was actually built by Harman Walker, if I believe if I'm
• 1:42:12
  right saying that now somebody might correct me later on, maybe
• 1:42:15
  big Camp, but Harlem Walker built them and they brought over
• 1:42:18
  a specific it was an American style still that would do for it
• 1:42:24
  was a grain still. Yeah, but I meant that the only
• 1:42:26
  grain that it could really process was maize.
• 1:42:29
  Now that that was one of the reasons why Ballantine's, which
• 1:42:33
  was who used, that was the grain distillery that Ballantine's
• 1:42:36
  used. That's why Ballantine's had that
• 1:42:39
  really buttery flavour. Yeah, that used to come through
• 1:42:41
  because the grain that they were, it was maize grain.
• 1:42:44
  And of course, I think at the time through the 80s, nineties
• 1:42:46
  and early 2000s, maize was a cheaper grain to use acquire.
• 1:42:51
  And, and yeah, back then I think prices in a grain changed.
• 1:42:53
  But anyway, your compatriot has returned from the lavatory.
• 1:42:59
  Was a good having an amazing Dumbarton.
• 1:43:02
  I think it's one of the green, green distilleries that are
• 1:43:04
  often forgotten about. Yeah, a Dumbarton golden cask
• 1:43:10
  that was honestly exceptional. Fantastic.
• 1:43:13
  Again, the value of closed green distilleries.
• 1:43:17
  Meant a well aged. Indie bottling didn't.
• 1:43:20
  We. We had one on, didn't we?
• 1:43:21
  Just up the road as well. From the bottom, yeah, where the
• 1:43:26
  actual the geese and that you're.
• 1:43:27
  Talking and. Because the geese were used as
• 1:43:29
  security houses. Yeah.
• 1:43:31
  They would make noise. Absolutely.
• 1:43:33
  I'm not doing that. Noise again, but further up the
• 1:43:36
  road. I mean, just an bowl.
• 1:43:38
  And that's where Little now was. Yeah.
• 1:43:40
  And you can still, you can actually go through the cycle
• 1:43:44
  track up towards Bowling and Ogle Patrick and you can
• 1:43:46
  actually see the water source for a little mill still packed.
• 1:43:50
  I used to cycle up in there to work sometimes.
• 1:43:52
  And then the the the water source where the river is
• 1:43:55
  underneath the bridge on the, the path is still going into the
• 1:43:58
  where the distillery used to be. Wow.
• 1:44:00
  It's obviously mothball. Yeah, of course I.
• 1:44:02
  Flats on top, yeah. Yeah, right.
• 1:44:04
  Well, on the subject to geese, I mean it is becoming a a feature.
• 1:44:07
  I'm a new father so I'm allowed to say sort of really terrible
• 1:44:09
  dad jokes. But basically the Northern Irish
• 1:44:12
  geese that were flying S for the winter and they were all going
• 1:44:14
  quack, quack, quack, quack quack and the front at the front went
• 1:44:16
  as quack as a feckin catch. It's too fast.
• 1:44:21
  I'm going over my. Heat right.
• 1:44:23
  Anyway, we are we are fast approaching the time where we
• 1:44:25
  get kicked out by the by the musicians.
• 1:44:27
  So we do have to we do have to who are going to do us a song.
• 1:44:30
  We actually, we've gone through diggers.
• 1:44:32
  Lovely these. Also tend to honk Graham.
• 1:44:35
  It stuck to the quiet. Right.
• 1:44:36
  There you go. Thanks, Angus.
• 1:44:37
  Glad to see you're glad to see you're still here.
• 1:44:39
  Basically. Yeah.
• 1:44:41
  The the we had somebody on the indie bottler Spotlight for the
• 1:44:44
  very first time, a local drinker here, and he says I'm a painter.
• 1:44:49
  I said, well, I'm needing my living room done.
• 1:44:50
  But he says no, I'm an artist. But I he said.
• 1:44:54
  I said, would you do a second? We have.
• 1:44:57
  No. Seriously, Davinci, on your own?
• 1:45:00
  But he did show, he showed. Me some of the artwork he's
• 1:45:01
  retired and he's taking up to to to do an artwork painting and
• 1:45:05
  stuff like that and he says he said he will do it I said we
• 1:45:08
  will can we Commission our whiskey stories podcast painting
• 1:45:12
  we've talked about we've talked to the guys who who come in here
• 1:45:15
  on a Wednesday evening as we're recording after at 9:00 the
• 1:45:18
  musicians come in they play all the Scottish music and
• 1:45:21
  everything I guess they've said that they would be happy to to
• 1:45:24
  do a sort of recording for us that's cool but we are sort of
• 1:45:27
  coming to your other party we we.
• 1:45:29
  We we get one more before we go off air.
• 1:45:32
  Well, we're ready to have what, 3 drums feature, right?
• 1:45:35
  Yeah. That.
• 1:45:37
  Will so we've got a bottle right now that's covered up.
• 1:45:40
  Is this a secret whiskey? Is this part of your what, 3
• 1:45:41
  drams? Or is this a separate thing?
• 1:45:43
  Have you got your three stories sorted?
• 1:45:46
  What's? The feature again, so the what 3
• 1:45:52
  drams, any 3 whiskeys that have got any meaning, story or
• 1:45:55
  anything associated with them that you put down, that's our
• 1:46:00
  feature for it. So what we'll do is each you get
• 1:46:03
  a sort of what, 3 drams and basically.
• 1:46:06
  What? Three tell us.
• 1:46:09
  Any 3 so. You would say the Glen going
• 1:46:11
  handful because you're follow, except that be one.
• 1:46:14
  OK, OK, OK, OK, OK. So.
• 1:46:15
  But so for, for, for, for the audio, for the audio listeners,
• 1:46:20
  the A bottle has just been unveiled, which is why that last
• 1:46:23
  minute just seems very confused. It's not extremely special, but
• 1:46:26
  it's. There's basically there's a
• 1:46:28
  bottle on the table that is wrapped that we don't know what
• 1:46:30
  it is and. We just had it on the train in
• 1:46:34
  the way through AS. Long as.
• 1:46:38
  Everybody's got a free glass, I guess.
• 1:46:40
  I guess we'll share a drama this bottle while you lads tell your
• 1:46:42
  stories. So as you lads have you 3
• 1:46:45
  stories each, you get 3 stories each.
• 1:46:48
  Ah, really? 3 whiskeys.
• 1:46:49
  Each something to you or a story connect, right?
• 1:46:52
  OK, well, it could be a night out.
• 1:46:53
  It could be a family member. It could be.
• 1:46:54
  Right, right, right, right. Right.
• 1:46:55
  Yeah, sorry. Right.
• 1:46:58
  John's just back, so I'll back and forth I think so I'll I'll
• 1:47:01
  put the first one. Do you want to interest the
• 1:47:03
  drum? Will we drink the drum while
• 1:47:04
  you're telling the stories or we want to?
• 1:47:05
  Fight No, that's, that's not one of the drums, but this is right.
• 1:47:08
  So let me see how I've got this right.
• 1:47:10
  The first drama I'm going to write say that means a lot to
• 1:47:14
  me. That is one of my favourite
• 1:47:15
  dramas ever Was the one that we spoke about earlier, the 22 year
• 1:47:19
  old Beaumoir, David Turner. It was a it was a cast general.
• 1:47:23
  He's a 57.1%. I think I've still got a bottle
• 1:47:27
  in the house. I'm dying to possibly open it,
• 1:47:30
  but I bought 2 bottles on the, on the guidance of of Stuart,
• 1:47:34
  the guy we spoke about earlier on the podcast.
• 1:47:36
  And I opened one for my best pal's wedding the right before
• 1:47:39
  and I got mega half caught on it.
• 1:47:41
  Now would that, would that be my favorite drama?
• 1:47:45
  Because it's my favorite drama for years and years and years
• 1:47:46
  and years. And Graeme, I'm a little bit
• 1:47:48
  like you had a, had a bit of a peak five years and I'm kind of
• 1:47:51
  like that now. I'm like Sherry bomb stuff.
• 1:47:53
  I'm I'll probably go back to it, but they want to open the bottle
• 1:47:56
  now because it's probably too pricey to open now.
• 1:47:58
  It's probably worth about £1500 now on auctions.
• 1:48:01
  I'll open it again. When me and John had a big
• 1:48:03
  milestone. We'll open it again.
• 1:48:04
  Yeah, we do it again. I probably hate it but that's my
• 1:48:07
  first one. Right, John, any whiskey or
• 1:48:09
  We've got 33 drams each. Yeah, whiskey's.
• 1:48:11
  I have some sort of story, meaning or anything to you.
• 1:48:14
  Yeah, so I think probably I was up at Glenn Farkas and Glenn
• 1:48:18
  Farkas is one of my, my, my favorite distilleries, right.
• 1:48:22
  Loved it. And I managed to drag my Messi's
• 1:48:24
  all the way up there for my birthday.
• 1:48:27
  To. Duffton of all places in
• 1:48:30
  Duffton, right? And I basically said, right, for
• 1:48:33
  the whole weekend, because it's my birthday, you need to drive
• 1:48:35
  me all these distilleries, right?
• 1:48:38
  So she was like, right, OK, well, where are we going?
• 1:48:40
  I was like. All of them.
• 1:48:42
  Yeah, it was like. We didn't quite obviously
• 1:48:43
  there's loads up there so never got a big girl client.
• 1:48:46
  Father managed to get any Balveni.
• 1:48:48
  Balveni's quite closed and Balandalek done a week and a
• 1:48:51
  stop off in there but. Facility by.
• 1:48:53
  Balandalek. Amazing they only just started
• 1:48:56
  releasing. One of the grams of the year?
• 1:48:57
  Balandale, Yeah. 9 year old Sherry one they just released
• 1:49:00
  there with me. I've not tried that one yet, but
• 1:49:02
  we did, we comp, we comped that one.
• 1:49:03
  We did a competition, one of them actually.
• 1:49:06
  But yeah, back to the decline factors, right?
• 1:49:08
  Love Glenfalcliff, love all the family cast stuff, right?
• 1:49:11
  And then went into the that taste and they went, that's it,
• 1:49:13
  right? I had kind of paid for the
• 1:49:14
  premium thing because it was my birthday and, you know, there
• 1:49:18
  was other people doing a tasting in that as well.
• 1:49:20
  And I said to the guy or my Missy said, oh, it's John's
• 1:49:23
  birthday, blah, blah, blah. And he was like, oh, what you
• 1:49:24
  reborn. It's like 1989.
• 1:49:26
  He was like, oh, just back in a minute and he command 1989
• 1:49:29
  family castle on the table. And I was like, and I think it
• 1:49:32
  was 28 or 29 time or something like that.
• 1:49:36
  So obviously it's not quite, you know, 35, but it's unreal.
• 1:49:41
  So that yeah, I. Think now wait a minute.
• 1:49:43
  What? How old is Cameron?
• 1:49:45
  Big camp. Camas, 1990.
• 1:49:48
  Do you know, because that that is quite because what's I'm a,
• 1:49:51
  I'm a, I'm a big sort of my, my mind works already.
• 1:49:55
  Two things #1 I don't know if Fraser Fraser soonest had a very
• 1:49:58
  similar Bomo story to yourself where it was like he was sitting
• 1:50:01
  there. I might I can't remember what it
• 1:50:03
  was. But what I also know is that if
• 1:50:05
  Cam was born in 1998, same thing happened to him.
• 1:50:08
  And that was one of his what, 3 drams when he visited Glenn
• 1:50:10
  Fartless was that it was, but he was going for an event.
• 1:50:13
  And what they did was what what the Glenn Fartless guys had done
• 1:50:16
  was they'd had to sign off health and safety forms.
• 1:50:18
  Yeah, before they do it. But part of the tour that they
• 1:50:21
  got, yeah, was whilst they were on the tour, somebody was going
• 1:50:24
  through everyone's health and safety form and.
• 1:50:26
  And in there was your date of birth.
• 1:50:28
  So what it meant was that every single person on that tour, when
• 1:50:31
  they sat back down, that drum in front of them, that's from your
• 1:50:35
  your family cast. Yeah.
• 1:50:36
  And and that's when Cameron said he wished he'd lied on his
• 1:50:39
  health and safety. I.
• 1:50:44
  Was on a sag do in Tom and towel and I was ended up kind of yeah
• 1:50:49
  being designated driver for one of these days and it was a
• 1:50:51
  Saturday and Glenn Farkas aren't open on a Saturday, but I knew
• 1:50:55
  and so it kind of it turned into a bit of the guys that were in
• 1:50:57
  the car are quite interesting whiskey and it turned into a bit
• 1:51:00
  of an impromptu whiskey tour a bit like you.
• 1:51:02
  So we, we drove up technically in Farkas and I said it's not
• 1:51:05
  open, but we'll just thought we like.
• 1:51:07
  But as we arrived there was like a German, like Trabant, like an
• 1:51:09
  East German car like turned up these two Germans got in to go.
• 1:51:14
  What's what's going on? Is the delivery closed?
• 1:51:23
  It was like. Das is good angles and it was.
• 1:51:25
  Like. Yeah, I'm not gonna put it be
• 1:51:29
  able to, but it was I he. Threw us all off the.
• 1:51:35
  Accident. So then then the kit there it
• 1:51:37
  was eyes closed on 4. Shall we try and break in then?
• 1:51:41
  And I was like. No, I think we'll just scout on,
• 1:51:44
  but scout a good tag to our general listeners there.
• 1:51:46
  Yeah. Thank you very much.
• 1:51:48
  Yeah, we apologise and we thank you for listening.
• 1:51:51
  But good shout out to Peter class if you're if you're still
• 1:51:53
  listening. Sorry, well done for you.
• 1:51:56
  Right. So Scott, second drum for.
• 1:51:59
  You second drum, so I know you're probably supposed to pick
• 1:52:05
  something that you can kind of. Buy No, no, no at all.
• 1:52:08
  So at all. So.
• 1:52:10
  We actually want to allow one on brand because you're Brad, you
• 1:52:13
  could do whatever you want. Yeah.
• 1:52:14
  That's John and I and Stuart and Chris and all the people we've
• 1:52:18
  been talking about who go to Isla every single year.
• 1:52:20
  That's a kind of annual get together and we try and get
• 1:52:22
  together a few times through a year as well.
• 1:52:24
  But we always go to Isla in November.
• 1:52:26
  And this particular year we went to Isla, we, we always get a
• 1:52:31
  tasting with David Brody. We always go down and do the
• 1:52:33
  cask sample drums, all that kind of stuff.
• 1:52:35
  And when we came back, there was a lovely bottle of the, the, the
• 1:52:41
  warehouse name. But the limited release ones, I
• 1:52:43
  don't know if you've seen them warehouse name bottles are the
• 1:52:45
  ones with the, with the lovely just straight up white label
• 1:52:48
  with their handwritten filled by Dee Brody, filled by whoever it
• 1:52:51
  is is on that day. But there's some of them that
• 1:52:53
  have got limited release with a kind of a kind of purple cursive
• 1:52:57
  right now. It's the limited release.
• 1:52:58
  And this was a 1989 or also. And when I have 1989, we
• 1:53:04
  haven't. Yeah, it was the year that
• 1:53:06
  myself and John were born. Wasn't doing anything from John
• 1:53:10
  that it was all about me. So 1989 knows when I was born
• 1:53:12
  and we actually went into the shop and.
• 1:53:15
  We, we. We.
• 1:53:16
  We. You know, we went in and you
• 1:53:18
  bought a few hoodies, a few hats, a couple of bottles of the
• 1:53:20
  normal stuff, a couple of warehouse names that you tried
• 1:53:22
  on the daily, the stubby bottles.
• 1:53:24
  And then David said, oh, but this one I said, well, that's my
• 1:53:26
  both here and it was an all or also matured 1989, but I haven't
• 1:53:31
  which at the time would have been I think 3132. 30 must have.
• 1:53:36
  Been 31 it was an obscure number anyway, but a very, very small
• 1:53:42
  bottle of it was was quite pricey.
• 1:53:44
  But but you know, that way where it just hits you, you know, like
• 1:53:46
  I've been here with these pals, the guys I've been telling you
• 1:53:48
  the whole time with my best pal, these pals I've got now both
• 1:53:52
  your drum, you've had a few drama you're feeling that's
• 1:53:55
  right. OK, give me it.
• 1:53:56
  So that one right now, that stuff is a real special good.
• 1:53:59
  And you know, sorry, just just before we move on the the when
• 1:54:03
  you're out one of heaven and you go there and you're on that pier
• 1:54:05
  and you're drinking that drum and you know, you can always see
• 1:54:07
  the sea spray. I'm the only one in this room
• 1:54:15
  that's never done that. So many bloody times on this.
• 1:54:18
  Podcast. I've never done it.
• 1:54:20
  You need to do it. Honestly.
• 1:54:22
  But you just say that you, you, you said you have to be in the
• 1:54:25
  situation. Absolutely.
• 1:54:26
  That is that is the and the guy who brought with me, he was in
• 1:54:30
  the water. We sort of shoes off just.
• 1:54:33
  Actually. Grim to be make you feel a bit
• 1:54:35
  better. My confession is when I was
• 1:54:36
  being having, I was also designated driver that.
• 1:54:40
  I. Go back to the hotel room and
• 1:54:42
  then had the. Drums I got there.
• 1:54:43
  I've heard that. I can say for people that have
• 1:54:45
  never been to Isla, please go to and you go to it's the worst Rd.
• 1:54:50
  in all of Scotland. Worst get to get there.
• 1:54:52
  Yes, but but this the water. It's as if you'd in Cancun.
• 1:54:57
  Yeah, it's so it's unbelievable. No, and you always, I don't know
• 1:55:04
  if you've got the same you stand at the end of the pier and you
• 1:55:07
  see those 3 white cottages at the end, but pass it until then
• 1:55:10
  you go. Yeah.
• 1:55:11
  Oh, I'd love one of them. But how long would that last?
• 1:55:15
  I I find their workers houses. Basically you got you drive
• 1:55:18
  through and you but it's just, well, one of the most I, I was
• 1:55:23
  there when I was there this second time, it was just dead
• 1:55:27
  silent. It was passionate rain.
• 1:55:31
  And you know what? She just haven't that silence.
• 1:55:34
  Yeah, looking around me was. Looking at your charts.
• 1:55:37
  I think you're about the 3rd or 4th, so trans the 3rd or 4th
• 1:55:40
  what 3 jams or what 3 jam we've had.
• 1:55:43
  It's been not been happened, but just on Isla in the moment.
• 1:55:47
  I think Vicky Wicky Elliot talked about it, saying it was a
• 1:55:51
  barbecue in the beach and I think it was a beg Ergidal.
• 1:55:55
  Yeah, maybe. And she said just.
• 1:55:58
  Send the moment. The moment.
• 1:55:59
  Baby. You're with.
• 1:56:00
  How are you feeling? On Isla and I think that's
• 1:56:02
  special, right. OK.
• 1:56:03
  So, John. Yeah, I'm going to did you break
• 1:56:06
  your heart and have you been on the Isla one?
• 1:56:07
  Sorry. So yeah, mines is probably you
• 1:56:10
  should give yourself in for the Isla competition, the club of
• 1:56:12
  the show. So, so, so this not not this
• 1:56:17
  year, but last year was the last year.
• 1:56:19
  Of. Ian MacArthur.
• 1:56:20
  He he retired Pinky. I don't know if you.
• 1:56:22
  Yeah, we've heard about Pinky, right?
• 1:56:24
  I've. Mentioned that you guys.
• 1:56:25
  We through our our experiences and trips Taylor we've managed
• 1:56:29
  to go through loads and loads of tastings where we Ian for.
• 1:56:33
  I've heard you do an impression of Pinky.
• 1:56:34
  Four or five years, I'll do one in a minute.
• 1:56:37
  So one of the ones. Right, I love, I love Bonharten,
• 1:56:41
  right? And I love Manzania Cherry,
• 1:56:42
  right? So one of the ones he'd done was
• 1:56:44
  an 8 year old Manzania, right? And they always shouts in wow as
• 1:56:49
  she goes. Manzania Shaka.
• 1:56:52
  That's. Exactly. 50. 5.9% identical so I
• 1:57:01
  mean I've I've stood with him in like a villain do the
• 1:57:03
  impression. Right, I can do a good
• 1:57:05
  impression. I've done it right beside him
• 1:57:07
  and he was like, that's a good impression.
• 1:57:12
  Yeah. So I so it's a 8 year old man's
• 1:57:16
  Mia Wagga villa. And the last one, one of the
• 1:57:21
  last tastings where Ian McArthur was done before that was that
• 1:57:26
  was a proper moment. We got to extract, we got to
• 1:57:28
  take the whiskey at the cask. Not brilliant.
• 1:57:31
  And I think the only one he'd done after that was.
• 1:57:35
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Locals.
• 1:57:37
  And stuff that's I, I, because it was a long, a lot of podcasts
• 1:57:42
  ago, I got locked in the warehouse with Ian MacArthur.
• 1:57:45
  It happens in it. The first time I was in Isla and
• 1:57:47
  I'd actually didn't go up. I actually didn't know I was
• 1:57:49
  going to Isla at the time. So I brought by TG little John
• 1:57:52
  who worked for the Azure at the time and, and Cam and I was told
• 1:57:55
  to buy steel toe cap boots. And I had no idea that I was
• 1:57:58
  going to Isla when we arrived and we went in the port Ellen
• 1:58:00
  Maltings in the morning. That's why I needed my my, my
• 1:58:02
  boots. I got a bacon roll after that
• 1:58:05
  and then got locked in the black little warehouse where Pinky, of
• 1:58:09
  course said I said. I said it's my first time in the
• 1:58:11
  island. I was a handful, almost a glass
• 1:58:16
  full of whiskey through my And that story ends with me falling
• 1:58:24
  in the car park. Yes, please do it responsibly.
• 1:58:31
  But. Also for I think any time that
• 1:58:35
  he has ever going to be mentioned in the whiskey
• 1:58:37
  stories, what 3 Drams E MacArthur is one of the industry
• 1:58:42
  Titans, industry legends that we were so lucky, so lucky to get
• 1:58:48
  the experience. Yeah, unbelievable, right?
• 1:58:51
  Great 3rd and final DRAM by yourself, John.
• 1:58:57
  Right, so. That's Scott.
• 1:58:59
  Scott sorry. So I've I've got one picked in
• 1:59:04
  my head that it's not something that I would pick right off the
• 1:59:09
  back so I could pick loads and loads of things.
• 1:59:10
  I could pick Buna cast red, I could pick cladded black.
• 1:59:14
  Yeah, so then I get bonus trams in here.
• 1:59:18
  So the, the, the reason for picking this one is because
• 1:59:21
  we've, we've started this journey with Collectors Club and
• 1:59:26
  it's been, you know, it's been going well.
• 1:59:27
  We've been a bit interactive in a lot of energy people
• 1:59:30
  yourselves included. It's been fantastic, Johnny, to
• 1:59:32
  to go from whiskey lover into part of the industry.
• 1:59:35
  And then when we did that kind of mastery tour at Macallan with
• 1:59:39
  our winners, we were able to take them there and go there and
• 1:59:42
  Macallan took us in a couple of the guys.
• 1:59:44
  Actually, it turned out they were players on the site because
• 1:59:49
  it just quickly we were walking up with right John play this
• 1:59:52
  cool. They might not know what this is
• 1:59:53
  a competition type thing. And the guy, the guy took his in
• 1:59:57
  with the waistcoat and he's that.
• 1:59:59
  How you doing? Says hi, how's it going to join
• 2:00:02
  Shake his hand came up to me because I'm around the video.
• 2:00:05
  It's how shake his hand. It's like no shaking your hand
• 2:00:08
  till you pull my number out. Ah, really?
• 2:00:11
  Famous sellers Larry just played girls McCall and he's he's just
• 2:00:14
  done me, right. So we went and done the mastery
• 2:00:16
  tour and at the end of of of the mastery tour, just before we got
• 2:00:19
  our dinner, we got a special, special DRAM of the McCallum 30
• 2:00:23
  Sherry Oak. Yeah, which which has to go in
• 2:00:26
  there for me. It has to go.
• 2:00:27
  I know it's I know it's a pricey DRAM.
• 2:00:29
  It's a core range DRAM. It's it's this, it's that it's
• 2:00:31
  premium and it's not really that accessible.
• 2:00:34
  But I think that moment when we got that knowing that we were in
• 2:00:38
  a second kind of business with the guys that are with us, we're
• 2:00:40
  having such a great time. I could feel it from them
• 2:00:42
  without even seeing it. And it kind of made that
• 2:00:45
  solidified the fact that we can do this full time.
• 2:00:48
  Yeah, Brilliant, Great. Yeah, that kind of that was the
• 2:00:52
  moment for me. I thought, right, this this,
• 2:00:54
  this is this is this is worth. Yeah, that's that's gave you
• 2:00:58
  that. Confidence to be like, no, this
• 2:01:00
  is this is working. Yeah, exactly.
• 2:01:02
  That's a big step. No, no, it was 100 I saw.
• 2:01:05
  Make it short and sweet. I think I'm kind of just naming
• 2:01:08
  off my like 2024 best drums. But yeah, I'm going to go back
• 2:01:10
  to the Glen Allocate Ruby 4. So it was like 17 year old Glen
• 2:01:14
  Allocate Ruby four. And then so we went to Glen
• 2:01:16
  Allocate and they again, some of the Lassies can I use there?
• 2:01:21
  What's the lassies there? Brenda, Brenda, right.
• 2:01:24
  I thought it was Brenda, but Brenda we start manager took
• 2:01:28
  those two guys who were on that same tour.
• 2:01:29
  And actually we took them into the shop and we took them into
• 2:01:32
  the drum bar and said, right, guys, we're going to get a 21
• 2:01:34
  year old try the theatre. We'll try this.
• 2:01:36
  And they said you need to try that's new, this dollar
• 2:01:38
  expensive Ruby port. So I was like, right, what is
• 2:01:40
  that? So you put it there and it was
• 2:01:41
  like champagne. It looked like champagne, right?
• 2:01:43
  It was pink. Wow.
• 2:01:44
  It was like pink wine king. And I was like, wow, what is
• 2:01:49
  this? We tried it and absolutely
• 2:01:51
  you're not mad pork fan, right? So not normally no, not eat like
• 2:01:54
  Tony port. You know that, but this?
• 2:01:56
  Was. Ruby port, right?
• 2:01:58
  Tony port can be a bit suckly. It depends.
• 2:02:01
  It depends where it is. Yeah, it can be a bit so much.
• 2:02:04
  So I we, we've done that and then we were just about to
• 2:02:07
  leave, Brenda said. He's need a lift.
• 2:02:11
  We were like. She was closing the gate said
• 2:02:13
  I'll give this the other day. She was like he's want to come
• 2:02:15
  back tomorrow. If you sent she's a bought the
• 2:02:17
  Ruby port and she said do you since you bought the room
• 2:02:19
  before, come back and give us a tour in the morning back at
• 2:02:22
  10:00 and I was like. OK, sure.
• 2:02:26
  So you're like, you can't give us a lift.
• 2:02:28
  And stuff maybe like got us. Or gave us a lift to the end of
• 2:02:30
  the road and we got picked up their tax.
• 2:02:32
  So because you mentioned since you.
• 2:02:34
  Guys bought the Ruby board and we bought a couple of dislikes.
• 2:02:36
  She went to the mum and got a quick tour.
• 2:02:38
  Should be like. Ruby Ports and Scottish
• 2:02:40
  hospitality like that. It's like.
• 2:02:42
  It doesn't it? Doesn't happen any I think in
• 2:02:45
  island and space side in these places that's.
• 2:02:48
  They love it thing. Yeah, that's their thing.
• 2:02:50
  They if because it's like for us, like we love it.
• 2:02:54
  We're Scottish. We're like, this is, this is
• 2:02:56
  poor, this is your shit. Like we, we make a big deal yet,
• 2:03:00
  right. But like for people who come
• 2:03:01
  from Germany and they come from France wherever, Holland, Japan,
• 2:03:05
  further afield, like that's Scottish.
• 2:03:09
  That's exactly right and. I can't be that.
• 2:03:11
  Right. And it's like.
• 2:03:12
  It means a lot. Absolutely.
• 2:03:14
  Doesn't mean yeah, The funny thing as well was when Brenda, I
• 2:03:17
  mean Brenda knew what she was doing because she if the first
• 2:03:20
  day she's like come back 10:00 all this all that brilliant.
• 2:03:23
  I mean free tour and you get me tasting at the end of it.
• 2:03:25
  So free tour and tasting. I had to drive so I get drivers
• 2:03:28
  drums away, which was great. Had them after my dinner.
• 2:03:31
  But when we were back to the shop the second day, she'd be
• 2:03:33
  cabinet in the front left corner.
• 2:03:37
  And then she had she, she must have changed them because we
• 2:03:40
  didn't see them that day. But she we we explained what it
• 2:03:42
  was we did and all that on the first day And the second day we
• 2:03:45
  came back and there was there was 3.
• 2:03:47
  Glenn Alkyve had a. Rebrand, haven't we?
• 2:03:49
  So there's 3 old brand bottles signed on the side by Billy
• 2:03:51
  Walker would. You like to buy these brands,
• 2:03:55
  those such thing as a free. Lift in space side isn't.
• 2:03:58
  It to to be fair, to be fair, she she charged us the same
• 2:04:01
  price as what they were on the show.
• 2:04:02
  Yeah, they were saying by Billy Walker and.
• 2:04:05
  Well, we're just finishing up. Well, we're.
• 2:04:07
  Just finished up with five but. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:04:09
  And yeah. So that was that was absolutely
• 2:04:12
  amazing. But but show it to them that she
• 2:04:14
  looked after us. That's right.
• 2:04:15
  Brilliant. Great stuff.
• 2:04:16
  Well, we are fast approaching the end of the podcast.
• 2:04:18
  Yeah, it's been new. Like some great stories?
• 2:04:20
  Guys, that's that's been absolutely fantastic.
• 2:04:22
  Before a quick one before we go yeah, we got so so so this was
• 2:04:25
  actually unintentional because our intention, because you guys
• 2:04:29
  have done that by the Secret M challenge.
• 2:04:31
  So we've got an all secret M here for you way over from the
• 2:04:34
  West side because this is the whiskey sponge bottling
• 2:04:39
  exclusively for the Bon Occult. Oh wow, that's wow.
• 2:04:42
  But there are only 92 bottles wow in the whole wide world and
• 2:04:45
  we've got one of them. I'm going to open it right now
• 2:04:47
  and give you all the drama that 18 year old Mikkel.
• 2:04:49
  That is and look. At the Wow not.
• 2:04:51
  Careful, there we go. Look at it.
• 2:04:54
  Absolutely. That's an awesome ramp of port,
• 2:04:57
  Yeah. One night, let's go one night
• 2:04:58
  caps sponge as well sponge and. I.
• 2:05:01
  Adore whiskey sponge? Collaboration with Whiskey
• 2:05:04
  Sponge fan. It's in collaboration with with
• 2:05:06
  her friend at the Bonacote, Thomas McDonough.
• 2:05:08
  Brilliant. Brilliant man.
• 2:05:11
  That's very generous, of course. Thank you.
• 2:05:15
  Thanks so much for staying with us.
• 2:05:16
  And last, and people want to see what you're doing and get
• 2:05:20
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• 2:05:21
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• 2:05:33
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• 2:05:37
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• 2:05:40
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• 2:05:45
  and you can see all the competitions we've got.
• 2:05:47
  We do live draws every single Thursday your.
• 2:05:49
  Competition's on right now your. Competition's on right now, but
• 2:05:51
  Cal Horizon is already the biggest competition there's ever
• 2:05:53
  ever been in a whiskey on. The 27th.
• 2:05:55
  Finishing tomorrow, tomorrow on the 27th of December.
• 2:05:59
  But I'll tell you what we're going to do, what we're going to
• 2:06:01
  do just before we sign off. I think because we've been on
• 2:06:04
  here for such a great night with you guys.
• 2:06:05
  And we will put a discount code on our website.
• 2:06:08
  It's going to be called Stories 25, gets everyone who plays,
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  including you guys, 25% of every single order for every single
• 2:06:15
  ticket you want to do. And we'll make it a A1 time code
• 2:06:19
  so you can use it once, but it's open for as long as you want.
• 2:06:21
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  and hopefully you can win an instant win and a biggie on the
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  main draw. Thank you so much for coming on,
• 2:06:33
  guys. That's been absolutely.
• 2:06:34
  Thank you, Melissa, The Whiskey Stories podcast, Thank you very
• 2:06:36
  much. Don't forget to give us five
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  stars. Give us a listen.
• 2:06:39
  I hope you had a wonderful Christmas.
• 2:06:40
  I think it's time for some Turkey sandwiches, I think.
• 2:06:46
  Wang me your lumry thank. You very much.
• 2:06:49
  Yeah, big, big shout out to everybody who's been involved.
• 2:06:51
  I hope you have a one. You had a wonderful Christmas.
• 2:06:53
  Thank you so much for enjoying your Facebook group.
• 2:06:55
  Get a Facebook group where we will be doing a Christmas Day
• 2:06:59
  week, a Christmas Day DRAM roll call.
• 2:07:01
  They'll be a Boxing Day DRAM roll call.
• 2:07:02
  They'll be right the way through to New Year's Day.
• 2:07:05
  Yeah, that's OK. Between Christmas and New
• 2:07:07
  Year's, we know you're we know, we know you're all getting
• 2:07:09
  pissed and and so just put your drams in every.
• 2:07:12
  Single day get. Out have a discussion about
• 2:07:13
  whiskey. We all all share the same
• 2:07:15
  passion, so thanks for. Thanks very much over to get you
• 2:07:17
  get us on the YouTube channel. You can watch this.
• 2:07:19
  You can see the drams that we've been drinking.
• 2:07:20
  You can you sit down put a telly on.
• 2:07:22
  You've got nothing else to watch on Boxing Day, Coronation
• 2:07:24
  Street, Boxing Day, specials, crap.
• 2:07:26
  These days you just want to sit down, watch.
• 2:07:28
  Yourself a good. Drum that you've won in the
• 2:07:30
  Collector's club. Yeah, Sit down, kick your shoes
• 2:07:33
  off and watch the Whiskey Stories podcast.
• 2:07:35
  Give us a five star. You can listen to us.
• 2:07:37
  Get us on Instagram. Whiskey Stories pod lads, thank
• 2:07:39
  you very much for thank you. Thank you for the drums,
• 2:07:41
  SpongeBob.