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Kyle Busch Goes In Depth On NASCAR & Life · Kenny Wallace Media

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Well you are looking at one of the greatest NASCAR drivers of
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all time, Kyle Busch. How are you doing, my friend?
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All right, Mr. Kenny. What's going on, man?
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How are you? Well, I'm doing really good.
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I am so honored. I'm happy that you are finally
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on Kenny conversation. You you were a hard 1 to get.
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You are a busy man. Yeah, yeah.
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Well, I I say I'm busy. I might not be that busy but
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that's my excuse anyway. So you know it's a it's it's
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been a little bit trying to get on here trying to find some time
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but glad we were able to fit it in and and looking forward to
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it. So good to speak with you again.
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Thank you. I think a lot of you, I feel
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like I know you a little bit. When I work for Fox and I would
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interview you, you and I would say a couple words to each
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other. I want to start out like this
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because I think it's most important.
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I want to do something with you that I I didn't do to Tony
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Stewart or Harvick or any of the other drivers you are.
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You are another level up, you are great.
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So I want to put my 200 bifocals on and I'm going to, I'm going
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to tell you the stats about yourself and then when I'm done,
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I want you to comment. But this will be the first time
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we do it at the start of the show it, it goes underneath the
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Rusty Wallace steel. We're going to remind everybody
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how great you are. OK.
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OK, here we go. First of all, you've done so
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much that you roll right off the Wikipedia page.
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You got to scroll a few times, right?
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Yeah. Yeah, you.
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That's when you know somebody's good is when you roll off the
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page. So here we go buddy. 1152 NASCAR
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starts in all three divisions. Now feel free to correct me if
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something's wrong. 2009 Xfinity Series champion, Two time NASCAR
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Cup champion. 2015, 2019, 63 NASCAR Cup wins.
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Now we're going to get into rare air.
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We're going to get, we're going to get into things that nobody
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has ever done. You are numero Uno.
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You are a trailblazer. All time wins leader in the
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Xfinity Series at 102 wins never will be beat.
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Ever. All time wins.
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Leader in the Truck Series at 65 wins for a limited schedule that
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will never be beat. Limited schedule is key.
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You hardly run that series, but all you do is win.
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This one's awesome. First driver ever to win on
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every track in the Cup Series. Unbelievable.
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First driver to win in all three divisions on a weekend.
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Did you do that at Bristol? Yeah, Bristol twice, actually.
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Holy Moly won a race every year for nineteen straight years.
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Now listen, there's way more, and we all know that.
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But those are the granddaddy of them all.
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Now, when I say all that and I asked the greats the same thing,
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I know you're mine. I mean you.
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You've won so much. Tell me what goes through your
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mind when I take you back through your accomplishments.
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I mean just how grateful I am and how appreciative I am of the
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opportunity to be in NASCAR, to be able to have achieved all of
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that and thankful to those that have helped me along the way.
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There's been a lot of great people that I've been associated
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with and been able to work with. But then also the Kyle demeanor,
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the Bush demeanor or whatever it might be looks at all of that
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and says damn, how good could it have been if I didn't have 62nd
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place finishes in the Cup Series.
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You know what I mean And and I think my my running average
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right now, I ruined it at Vegas a a few weeks back in the
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trucks. But I think I had finished
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first, second or third in the last 15 or 16 races in a row
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before finishing. I think we had a pit Rd. penalty
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so I had to come back down in Vegas.
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So we finished 16th. But anyways, just stuff like
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that, you know what I mean? Like there's there's plenty of
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other accolades, as you mentioned, that, you know, you
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could go on and on and on with, but it's the ones that get away.
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I think that kind of hurts the most because I know how much
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greater those numbers could sound, or those numbers could be
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if if it wasn't for small little details in those races that just
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didn't go my way. And I believe that's what makes
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you so great is, you know, you always know you could be better.
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I want to go to something that you might not remember, but I
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remember it clear as day. It was a late night at Bristol,
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and you and I were in the RV lot, and I was waiting for my
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daughter Brooke to drive up from North Carolina.
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I was going to meet my daughter at the gate so she could get in
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and come in the RV. And you, you and I carried on a
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just a nice pleasant conversation.
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The conversation went like this. When you win a Cup race like 5
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hours later you're over it and and you're off your high and and
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you're on to the next thing. Is that true?
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I mean I know you said that to me.
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Are you better at that? Are you soaking in the winds a
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little bit more or or is that a curse?
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I would say when you are, I think it kind of goes in a in a
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wave, right, Like in a up and then a down where when you are
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young and you are first winning races, like you're going to
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take, you're going to soak that up.
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You're going to take that and you're going to celebrate as
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long as you can. You're going to go all the way
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to the next race, all the way to Saturday, you know.
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But as you win regularly and as you get more victories under
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your belt, it's kind of like what you just said where all
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right, that was cool. That was good.
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That was fun. We did our job.
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Let's, let's move on to the next one.
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How can we, how can we do it again?
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But the focus turns forward. And then I think as you get, you
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know, older and a little bit deeper into your career and you
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just don't know how often they're going to come or when
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the last one is going to be, then I feel like you kind of
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celebrate those a little bit longer as well again because
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again, you just don't know when, when that's that's ever going to
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be. So I look back at at Kevin for
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instance, you know where I think his last win was Richmond the
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year prior to last, where last year was his last year.
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He wasn't able to accomplish getting into Victory Lane, but
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he had a lot of strong runs but just didn't get that trophy.
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So I I know that that could happen to me.
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I think it's happened to all the greats, right?
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Like they've all kind of gone into years where they haven't
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won, although you mentioned it earlier, the 19 years of
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winning, man, I want to I want to carry that until I'm done.
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You know, I I want to say it's 232425 years of winning and and
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that'll never be touched, you know, so that's that's kind of
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where my mind's AT and and how I, you know celebrate the wins
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and and what comes next. I hear echoes of Mark Martin
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towards the end of Mark Martin's.
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Let let's say maybe the last seven years of Mark Martin's
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career. Mark would say that I don't know
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when my next win is going to be. So I agree with you and you and
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Mark Martin in the same breath. That's that's the best.
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That's as good as it gets. I love Mark.
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I've got, you know the cool story with Mark is, you know I I
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remember his kid growing up, Matt was growing up racing in a
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little bit and we were in Florida for speed weeks and he
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was running Bandolero or a super truck or something like that.
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And we'd go hang out at the that New Smyrna and then Matt gave
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that up. But now you know he kind of does
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his archive page and stuff like that.
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But anytime they make a new release of a T-shirt or a
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diecast, I always call Mark and I go, you have to send me one
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because I I was AI was a Mark Martin fan growing up.
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I would say I was more of a Jeff Gordon fan growing up just as a
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kid and the bright colored rainbow car, all that.
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But I I liked everybody in general, you know, I even
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remember Kenny Wallace in the bear car.
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You know what I mean? So there were there were days of
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of cheering on for Mark and and since I got to know him and be a
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part of NASCAR and spend some more time with him, you know he
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and I, we we really formed a relationship that we have the
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utmost respect for one another. So I always love it when he
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comes out with those those new retro die casts and stuff that I
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got to have one. Kenny, conversation is all about
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conversations. You know, and I remind everybody
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all the time, I'm not going to ask you the next question.
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I'm going to wait later. I'm going to go down to
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something that I had in my notes.
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Now that you've talked about Mark, my hero, my mentor, the
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Great Dick Trickle, who's not with us anymore.
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Dick Trickle Flat told me to my face, quote UN quote, that Kyle
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Bush is a racer. He came to Wisconsin, maybe.
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He said I think it was Slinger and he's OK You really impressed
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the great Dick Trickle, the greatest of all time in my book.
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He said that you knew your race car and you were working on your
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race car. What?
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What do you think about that when I tell you one of the
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greatest racers of all time says that you, Kyle Busch, you're a
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racer because you're you were into your car, under your car,
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working on the chassis. Oh yeah, no, the the I remember
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the Super late model years that were most fun for me and and
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going up to Slinger and we went up to Kakana, we went up to
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Madison, we we did a lot of Wisconsin racing and of course
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Dick and the Midwest Tour and all those guys were from around
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that area. So I I actually knew Dick
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Trickle a little bit beforehand. Obviously just following NASCAR
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and seeing him race in the Busch series, in the Cup series and
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everything else. Youngest Rookie of the Year
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ever, by the way. Yeah. 40.
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But the his brother Chuck lived in Las Vegas and his nephew
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Chris Trickle was racing out in the Southwest Tour and racing
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Late Models and stuff like that on the West Coast scene and was
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probably one of the next West Coast guys to make it big to go
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into NASCAR. But unfortunately he was shot in
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a drive by shooting and never raced again.
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But that moment was actually the turning point for the Bush
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family and our stature in Vegas. For Kurt to get into that
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Southwest Tour car that Chris was driving to take it over, to
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run that 70 star nursery car and run it to multiple wins and A
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championship. And then that was the moment
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where Kurt got the call from Roush to go run in the Truck
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Series. So like there's a whole
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connection there with respect and and everything that we've
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had through that family and and what they've meant to us and and
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us being able to get to the big leagues.
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So, you know, to to spend some time with Dick when we were up
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in Wisconsin and to have him say those kinds of things to me.
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You know, it was always fun to to talk with him.
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You know, there was always a coffee in one hand and a
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cigarette in the other. But it was, if it was after the
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races, it was a Coors Light can in one hand and it was a
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cigarette in the other, you know.
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So he was. I tell you man, he was, he was
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tough. He was, he was one of the the
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Iron Man of the of the late model world, the ASA world, you
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know and I don't think he ever really got the the, the stats in
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NASCAR that he probably would have hoped for.
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But he was one of the best of the early days of of all the ASA
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stuff and was highly respected. Makes me really happy.
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You talk like that and you you just educated.
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You just taught me a lot about connecting the dots, kind of
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reminds me of, of our past. We delivered newspapers to a
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house and that was Don Miller. And Don Miller knew Rodger
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Penske and the rest is history. There you go, all because of a
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newspaper route. You are so talented.
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I've studied your driving technique.
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I've looked at in car cameras I say and I'm and I asked Tony
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Stewart this. I think God gave you a talent.
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I think you're gifted. No I don't expect you to say
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yeah I'm God gifted, but I I think you're God gifted and
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because from the get go from the days out in Vegas other people
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would spin a car out and you were just winning the races.
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Do you think you're God, gifted or or did you have to work at
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it? I think both.
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I think you can definitely have a gift.
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I think that you can also be taught somewhat.
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I think you can learn a lot and I think you know most of it just
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comes from those again that are around you and and that help
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you. My dad was a huge influence and
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and support and teacher in a lot of respects of the race car
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world and the car world and stuff like that.
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He was a car guy. His dad was a car guy.
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So when my dad moved out to Vegas, when he married my mom,
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they went out there for a honeymoon.
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They liked it. They said, you know what, we're
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moving from Chicago, we're going to Vegas.
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And that's. Chicago Now it makes sense, OK?
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Yeah, yeah. So they they moved out of there.
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My dad was a car guy, right? So what what happens in the
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winter in Chicago, salt and back in the 70s and 80s and whatever.
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Like cars were made of metal. So what did they do?
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They rusted and they hold and everything else.
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So he went to Vegas and you know made a made a life out there,
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but he went to the racetrack, he went to the local short track
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and was just kind of hanging out.
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And one of the guys that he worked with at A at a car
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dealership as a mechanic had a car out there.
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And the guy they were racing and they weren't really doing that
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great. They weren't lighting the world
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on fire. But my the guy was actually
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going to sell it and get rid of it.
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And he said, OK, well, my dad was like, why don't you let me
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do it? Like, let me, I'll take care of
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it. I'll house it.
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Like let me race it a few times. And they won like three of the
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last five races of the year in the car.
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And then he tuned it up, fix it up for the next year.
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They went out, won the championship and and he was just
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a racer, like he just loved the cars and racing and stuff like
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that. So I I say all that because that
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kind of gives you a little bit of who my dad was and how good
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he was at just what he was doing, amateurly.
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And I asked him one time I was like, well, how come you moved
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out West? Why didn't you go South?
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Why didn't you go to the east and try to make a career in
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racing and and whatever. And he was like, oh, we didn't,
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we didn't have any money. Like there was there was no
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money. And I was like, well, I hear all
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the stories of like Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt and all
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those guys that they didn't have money either.
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And he goes, no, we we didn't have any money.
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So that that was that was his excuse.
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But you know he worked for everything that he had.
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He worked for everything that we had that we were able to go race
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with. And he busted his butt really,
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really hard for us, for myself and my brother.
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So you know but that's where I was taught from.
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I I taught from coming from nothing, making everything
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ourselves, doing it all ourselves and and pushing
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ourselves to the limits of just everyday man, it's what you eat,
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sleep, breathe, blood, sweat, tears, all that stuff to to
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become a racer. So for me, like I was in the
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garage at five years old, sanding on the body of a 1933
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Ford that my dad was building and 32 Ford.
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And when we finally finished that car and got it done, it was
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Immaculate, like it was a magazine car.
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It was actually in the magazine, a couple of them.
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And when my brother wanted to start racing, we didn't have the
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money to for my brother to buy a car for Kurt to go to start
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racing. My dad had a car but nothing for
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Kurt. So my dad sold that 32 Ford for
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$32,000 and was able to take that money and go invest into
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some race cars for Kurt to get started.
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And, you know, so he he was making sacrifices left and
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right. So you're what I'm hearing is,
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even though I feel this is me, you have a God-given talent, but
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because of your father, you never, you never gave up on on
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the chassis, you you knew that, Earnhardt said to me.
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When you have a fast horse, you ride it and you can't win them
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all if if your car is not there. Am I saying that right?
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You were into your car. Yeah, no, definitely.
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And I think one of the lessons that our our dad taught us too
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was you know, you have to take care of your equipment and you
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have to make it to where you're not spending a ton of money
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every week to be able to go to the racetrack the next week.
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So not crashing, not burning up the tires, not over running the
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engine, stuff like that. So like when we would get out
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front, you know, dad had a rule. It was basically like pace the
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field. As much as you need to pace the
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field to lead the race, like that's it.
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You know there were times where we probably could have lapped
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the field, but we didn't do it because we didn't need to do it
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right. Like it's it's make yourself be
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the first guy to the checkered flag.
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So it was always about taking care of your stuff and and what
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you had so you can focus on you know other things to to make
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yourself fast, the chassis, the car, the setup to be able
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instead of fixing stuff. If you're always fixing stuff,
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then you're not working on your car to make it go faster.
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So that that was a big part of it.
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But back to your original question a little bit, where you
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know, is it God-given, Is it taught, Is it learned?
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Whatever. I think it's all like I look at
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William Byron, for instance, right?
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Like, I don't know that anybody would have ever expected a
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financial advisor who William's dad is to, you know, birth his
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son. That was going to be a
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professional NASCAR race car driver, right?
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Like, the kid enjoyed racing. He watched racing.
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He grew up in Charlotte. So he knew what it was.
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He got on the simulator. He was playing on that and
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thought it was fun, thought he was pretty good at it and then
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kind of asked his dad to get a start into racing and go karts
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and legends, cars and that sort of stuff.
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And he won and everything that he was in and so his his dad.
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Had to find here we are busting our ass.
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Yeah, yeah, right. But I mean, William did too.
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William worked at it. But, you know, I think he had
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good people around him that taught him what to do about his
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dad was not a car guy, like he was not in the garage working on
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cars, figuring out cars, all that sort of stuff.
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But he still became a really good race car driver without
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having all of that knowledge in that background.
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So he was. He probably had a God-given
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talent that fortunately he found and was able to go do what he
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loved to do with that and made the most of it.
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I hear you now. You're you are saying that he is
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a God-given talent. I I want to brag on you a couple
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ways as I'm listening to you. I keep hearing the greats, the
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great quotes. You know, Dick Trickle would say
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you must first finish to finish first.
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And then you know, I've heard Mark Martin, I've heard Dick
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Trickle. You're you're talking like the
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greats. So let's turn the corner a
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little bit. Let's change the subject.
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It appears to me that when I watch your press conferences,
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the one great thing about social media is I get to see your press
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conferences. They they pop up.
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And I've never in my life since you've been racing, seeing you
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so happy. You're you're joking, not
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listen, I know you're very serious, but it seems like
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you're having fun with the media right now.
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You're getting the biggest laughs in the Media Center.
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What's going on there? What has changed to make you
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have so much fun? I don't know.
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You know, I guess I hate to say it, 'cause I don't want to say
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it, 'cause I don't want to admit to it, but you're in your later
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years of your career, right? So it's OK.
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You're still the man. Yeah, so I guess just, you know,
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trying to have a little bit of fun, even though sometimes the
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the results aren't indicative of having much fun.
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You know there's definitely weekends where we go to the
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track and we struggle and and that's no fun you know.
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But trying to have the most of what's left of my career in
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NASCAR however long that might be, is for me to enjoy, right.
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I look at some of the other guys who kind of finished out.
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Some of them were were old and wore out and just didn't want to
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do it anymore and and weren't having fun.
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And so to me I feel like it would be nice to just go out on
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my own terms and and when and when that time is right.
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And I don't know what how I figure that out but I'm sure I
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will. But also too you know I feel
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like I get to go to the race tracks now and maybe last week I
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was not in a good mood at Richmond because I was Braxton
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was racing and he was racing quarter midgets and he's he's
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not great at quarter midgets. He doesn't like them.
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I don't like them And so he was struggling.
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So I I wasn't in the best of moods but I I made the best of
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the media session. But sometimes when I'm able to
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go to these media availabilities or just be at the racetrack, you
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know, everybody's asking me well how's Brexton doing?
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What's he racing this weekend? How's he going And you know just
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it puts a smile on my face. It makes me happy to just know
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that people are paying attention to him and what he's doing and
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how good he is and how his development is coming along.
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So you know I think that that just kind of takes the edge off
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of exactly what I'm doing. And what I'm focused.
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On where you know years ago man. It was, it was, it was so
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cutthroat for me because we're in a performance based business,
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right. So like if you're not performing
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and you're not doing your job that you need to be doing.
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Like I always thought, man, I'm, I'm on the coat hanger of
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getting let go here. You know what I mean?
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So which wasn't, which wasn't fact, but that just pushed me.
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That just made me who I was to make sure that I was getting all
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I could get. So I've got a great opportunity
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right now with RCR and and Braxton's doing really good.
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So I just, you know, being a little happier these days.
22:23
Yeah, I like it. Makes a sense too.
22:26
So I'll do want to get to Braxton a little bit and I'm
22:29
going to come with that. A a little different angle do
22:33
this is pretty simple. Denny Hamlin has taken over your
22:38
role. Do do you miss being the bad
22:43
guy? I miss winning.
22:46
I miss winning as much that that's that's where that's where
22:49
most of it came from. For me was when.
22:53
So when I came into NASCAR, I was booed from the start.
22:56
You know, my first race was a Truck Series race at.
23:01
Joliet or something like that. Close.
23:04
That was my second one. It was actually Indie IRPI ran
23:08
IRP for my first truck race and there was some booze in the
23:11
crowd and I'm like, what? Like I didn't even do anything,
23:13
you know? And so 6 truck races go by.
23:17
And then I had to. I had to.
23:19
I got kicked out of NASCAR, so I had to go run ASA and some ARCA
23:24
races. And then when I came back to
23:25
NASCAR, I came back in the Xfinity Series to run a part
23:28
time schedule and I was in the 87 Ditech car.
23:31
And by then, Kurt wasn't necessarily making the best of
23:34
friends on the NASCAR level, right?
23:36
I went through that with the Rusty.
23:37
Everybody hated me because of Rusty.
23:39
Now they hate you because of Kurt.
23:41
That's right. That's right.
23:42
So, you know, when I got driver intros for my first Xfinity
23:46
Series race, I got booed out of there and I was like, what the?
23:49
I I didn't do anything. It's Kyle, not Kurt.
23:51
Yeah. And and so from there on you
23:54
know and I was bound and determined that I was going to
23:56
make a name for myself and and make a name in the sport and
23:59
certainly was able to do that. But you know winning, winning a
24:02
lot. There were years 2910, eleven,
24:07
1213, I think I won 20 something races a year in those years, you
24:12
know, with Truck, Xfinity and Cup and we were just knocking
24:16
them down and people hated it, you know, they that's where the
24:19
Kyle Busch rule came from because everybody hated it so
24:21
bad that I was dipping in the trucks and Xfinity and winning
24:23
all the time that now you're limited to your five starts out
24:26
of the year. And so it's just tough to find
24:29
that that chemistry and that niche with those teams because
24:33
you're only there for five times out of the year.
24:34
So I feel like nowadays it's kind of like nobody does it
24:39
because it's hard enough as it is to win races at the Cup
24:42
level, but now it's hard to win races at the Truck and Xfinity
24:45
level because you're not doing it every week to build the
24:47
program to where it needs to be. You're not involved in it enough
24:50
to be there to to keep it the way that it needs to be with the
24:53
people that you got. So yeah, I mean that that was, I
24:58
applaud Denny for for taking on the role.
25:03
And I I, it's fun to see it from another side because I I knew
25:08
how to live it. And that's the thing, man.
25:10
Like you just have to embrace it and you just have to roll with
25:13
it and go with it and take it on, you know, and and say, like,
25:17
yeah, I you hate me because I'm a badass and you're just
25:20
jealous. Like, yeah.
25:22
Yeah, I like kind of like Kid Rock out of Detroit.
25:25
Don't come to Detroit. We're bad up here.
25:28
But yeah, so you know, you brought up a good point just
25:31
now. You single handedly created 2
25:36
new NASCAR rules. One was you were so young that
25:41
you won. What were you, 15 or 16?
25:45
You won. And so NASCAR said no, that's
25:48
too young. Well, so. 16 I was 16 running in
25:52
the Truck Series and I was running, you know, with all the
25:55
great Truck Series drivers of the time, the Jack Spraggs and
25:58
the Mike Skinners and the and the Hornadays and whoever Scott
26:03
Riggs at that time. I remember him being there being
26:05
really good Mike Bliss. Anyway, the I was at mile and a
26:12
half and two mile speedways and I'm 16 years old and people are
26:15
like this kid hasn't even had a driver's license for three
26:19
months. Peach fuzz on you, yeah?
26:23
I mean, exactly. So they're they're they're part
26:27
of it was I think they're thinking to themselves like
26:29
damn, do we really need 16 year old kids going 200 something
26:32
miles an hour or like probably not.
26:34
But then the other reason was that we were at Fontana and
26:38
Marlboro had sponsorship of the IndyCar weekend.
26:41
And so I was in the newspaper at, you know, 16 year old Kyle
26:46
Busch to participate in this weekend's Marlboro 500 driving
26:50
in the Truck Series. Well, Marlboro had nothing to do
26:52
with the Truck Series, but since it was painted on the grass in
26:54
the infield, the state Attorneys General of California said no,
26:58
no, no, we can't have this, send them packing.
27:01
So you know, and of course at that time Winston was sponsoring
27:05
the Cup Series. So because this was all prior to
27:08
2004 when Nextel took over? Wow.
27:11
There's a lot more to that story than I thought.
27:13
So, so you created that rule. That's the Kyle Bush rule.
27:17
You start, you started doing good and NASCAR too young and
27:21
then you created the other rule by winning too much in trucks
27:25
and Xfinity and and I'm going to say this in a smart ass way, are
27:30
you proud that you added two, two rules to the NASCAR rule
27:35
book? Yeah, I I think, I think yes.
27:38
I would say Smokey Eunuch and Chad Mouse and all the great
27:41
crew chiefs are definitely proud anytime they can add a new rule
27:44
to the rule book. So I I have to be the same way,
27:48
yeah, as long as they don't revert on those rules.
27:50
If Kyle Busch is gone and they revert on those rules, I am
27:53
going to be pissed off and there's another Bush coming and
27:55
he's going to, he's going to wax those rules back.
27:58
I like that. OK, Change subjects a little
28:01
bit. Again, we listen to you.
28:05
You've earned it. You've done it.
28:07
All your thoughts on the Denny Hamlin drama, the restart zone
28:14
at Richmond on on Sunday night, we all understand it by now, but
28:21
I want to hear your take. I've already given my take, but
28:24
I want to hear yours. So yeah, when you, when you look
28:28
at the rule, the rules black and white, you're supposed to
28:31
restart in the restart zone. So to me, you got to call it,
28:34
you got to officiate it. I don't know that it can
28:39
necessarily be a black and white rule.
28:41
Like you can clearly see the guy go early, right?
28:45
But then when you take a step back for a second and you look
28:47
at all of the outside variables that are happening around Denny
28:52
and you look at Martin hanging back a little bit and you look
28:54
at the two and the and behind him, the 22 and the five that
28:57
were hanging back a little bit, they're all trying to time that
28:59
role and time that momentum because they know the restart
29:03
zone, they know where it is. So you're as the leader, you're
29:05
already kind of at a disadvantage.
29:08
They did extend the restart zone a couple years ago and make it
29:11
bigger so you could go more within the zone.
29:15
But those guys all still are trying to edge up and get that
29:19
half a mile an hour advantage to just when Denny accelerates,
29:22
they can accelerate and then they have the momentum, they
29:24
have the run on him so they can put him in a bad spot getting
29:27
into one. So I Denny is very smart, he's
29:30
very calculated and he understands a lot of things very
29:32
well and he's probably looking in his mirror and or looking in
29:37
his his rear view screen and seeing this happening around him
29:41
and and seeing it develop. And so he wants to go early to
29:44
put those guys back on their heels and like that's I think I
29:50
believe that's what he did and there was a a great explanation
29:53
of it just yesterday. I think it was on.
29:55
I don't know if it was on NASCAR social, if it was on Instagram
29:58
or what, but it was Steve Letarte and the old Pence.
30:02
Todd. Gordon, Todd, Gordon, They were
30:04
going through it and they were going over it and they explained
30:06
it that way. And so to me, like, I
30:08
wholeheartedly agree with him. So if you're the leader and
30:10
you're in that and you're in that position, what are you
30:12
supposed to do? Like if Danny just sits there
30:14
and waits and waits till the end of the restart zone?
30:17
The more you wait in the restart zone, the more and more those
30:20
guys know you're going to go, right?
30:22
Because the the flag man is going to throw the green flag by
30:25
the time you get to the second line.
30:27
So I don't know, like rules are rules.
30:30
If if I'm a rule guy and everybody wants to go by black
30:33
and white, and then you got to call it, you know, you got to
30:36
you got to penalize the guy. So that brings me to I'm going
30:40
to go somewhere that I probably shouldn't go.
30:44
But you, you look at Carl Edwards, you look at Miami
30:49
Homestead, where Joey's run third on the restart and you
30:54
know it. It almost should be, in my
30:57
opinion, as illegal to lay back because Joey Lagano at Miami
31:02
Homestead lays back, gets the run on Carl Edwards, gets to the
31:06
inside. They wrecked.
31:08
Not long later, Carl says I'm out for all the reasons that
31:14
I've already did a show on. I thought about that because he
31:18
here's Joey laying back. Now listen, I don't blame Joey.
31:21
We're we're all going to, you know, they're going to attack
31:23
him. But I saw that.
31:26
I agree with you. I mean, here we are now, Joey's
31:28
laying back, he's going to get the run on him and now we're
31:32
going to wreck in turn one again.
31:34
I think that's what Denny was defending against.
31:37
Exactly. The 1000%, that's exactly what
31:40
what was going on there. So you're right that it was all
31:45
it was all defense, you know. And then like I said as the
31:48
leader you're, you have the advantage of being able to
31:52
restart when you want to restart.
31:53
But unfortunately it's in a zone and so they know that you're
31:56
going to go within that zone. And with these cars and
31:59
everything all being so similar now, it's not like restart
32:01
ratios. You can have any sort of
32:02
advantage or anything. You're all with the same stuff.
32:04
So I I feel like even though Martin hung back a little bit
32:09
and Denny went early, Martin still hung on his door and was
32:11
still right there and able to stay side by side with him
32:14
getting off into Turn 1. So it it Even though Danny got a
32:17
2 foot better restart, Martin was still right there.
32:20
Yeah, I I, I think we exposed, I think the sport accidentally
32:24
exposed a tough situation. If I'm in the drivers meeting,
32:28
I'm going to say guys, if I'm, if I'm the leader at NASCAR and
32:31
I'm looking at you guys at Martinsville next week, I'm
32:34
going to say, listen, if you lay back, you know, don't make us
32:38
because I I think it's that that creates the problem.
32:44
Let's have a little fun I've been.
32:47
Having fun. We haven't been having fun.
32:49
Yeah, we're having fun. We're having more fun now.
32:53
We are having fun. We really have a talk.
32:55
Somewhere, right? Yeah, right.
32:57
Since you've won at all the NASCAR Cup tracks, I see you and
33:04
Sam, as you would say, or the guys at Toyota used to call her
33:08
Sam. Since you've wanted all the
33:10
NASCAR Cup tracks, what racetrack do you and your
33:14
family? What racetrack do you look at?
33:16
You go not because of a racetrack so much, but we're
33:19
just excited to go to this, this city, this vicinity.
33:24
Which one do you enjoy the most? There's there's a few of them of
33:29
course, all the big cities, you know, that's always fun.
33:31
We, we enjoy going out to LA. For as crazy as traffic is out
33:34
there, LA was always good. So Fontana was was fun, LA was
33:37
fun. Phoenix is probably our
33:39
favorite. Me too.
33:41
The, the hiking out there, Scottsdale, the food, all that
33:44
stuff. Being West Coast, I'm, I'm from
33:46
the West Coast, so that's always cool.
33:49
You know, Miami's always great. You know I've got a a few
33:54
friends down in in Georgia between Georgia and Alabama.
33:57
So going down there to hang out with those guys is is pretty
34:00
cool. And I guess if you're just
34:03
looking to be kind of glamping at the race tracks, you know,
34:07
you go to the short track, the Martinsville or or Bristol or
34:11
even Richmond, you know, you're not in really these these big
34:14
metropolis places. So you just kind of hang out in
34:17
the bus and and you know, grill out and cook out and hang out at
34:20
the bus to watch the kids scooter around and play with
34:22
chalk or whatever it might be so.
34:27
It has been said now, and I mean this in a positive way, I love
34:32
my wife, she, she keeps me centered.
34:35
It has been said that your wife made you a better person.
34:41
It, you know, it was like, maybe we're a little crazy and then
34:44
when we get married, has Samantha made you a better
34:47
person? Oh yeah, 1000%, definitely.
34:50
You know, I I, the rowdy nickname didn't come along
34:54
because I wasn't, you know, So I did have a little bit of that
34:59
before her. And then obviously we dated for
35:01
a little bit and we've been married for 13 years now.
35:04
So, you know, it's been a hot minute, but I would say the the
35:09
kids thing kind of changes you a little bit as well, too, more
35:13
so, you know, just I was still a hot head getting in trouble
35:16
doing crazy stupid things, you know, with Samantha being
35:21
married to Samantha. But when the kids came along, I
35:23
think it kind of calmed down a lot more.
35:25
So you know that I feel like that's probably the biggest
35:29
sense. When whenever things would go
35:32
bad at the racetrack, did you allow her to grab you by the arm
35:36
and say, Kyle, calm down, it'll be OK?
35:38
Did did she ever help you in those moments?
35:41
Yeah, definitely. I feel like anytime, you know,
35:44
you go back to the motorhome and your wife's there, your dog's
35:47
there, then your kids are there. How?
35:48
And you know, however, it might be like even now on a tough day
35:52
or a tough race day or whatever, I I walk in the bus and
35:54
Braxton's there and he's like, he gives me a hug and he's like
35:57
sorry dad, you know, you just you didn't have the car today,
36:00
you know, something like that. So that's that's always you know
36:05
it's super sweet super nice if you've got a shoulder to to lean
36:08
on and at times there's been you know shoulder needed to cry on
36:12
and whether it's been her or whether it's been me and so yeah
36:16
it's it's definitely been great having them come around as much
36:20
as they they do. You know, when with Samantha,
36:23
she was at every race all the time, like spent every weekend
36:26
just, you know, put her life away and and followed along with
36:29
my stuff, you know? And now that Braxton's getting
36:33
older and and getting to where he races a bit more, she'll go
36:36
with him to his races. So sometimes I bet you they
36:38
don't come to six or seven of my races.
36:42
I mean, they still come to a lot, but like Braxton's doing
36:44
his thing, so they go, do they go do that with him?
36:47
So we're still together as much as we can be together.
36:51
I'm a big fan of your wife on Instagram and she exposes how
36:56
much fun you are. I I think it's awesome.
37:01
I think social media like I said earlier when used right it is
37:06
just awesome. I like the one on Instagram
37:10
yesterday where it it's the same thing as my wife.
37:13
They never quit spending money fixing the house up and and and
37:18
and she she's going to she's going to repaint the house and
37:21
you're like here we go again, you know.
37:25
Yeah, it looks to me like you have a lot of fun when she
37:29
because you guys do small skits and I enjoy them.
37:33
It. It's like you're you're
37:34
creating, you know, 30 minute skits.
37:38
They're fun. Do you enjoy it?
37:40
Yeah, no, I it is it is fun, you know, and it gives it gives a
37:44
greater sense into our personality and then to to
37:47
really what's going on behind the scenes in our life.
37:49
You know, people are always seeing us at at the racetrack,
37:52
during racing, going between garage areas, this or that,
37:55
being pulled in a million different directions.
37:56
And so it's always kind of kind of crazy.
37:59
But when you're at home, yeah, there's there's times where
38:01
you're at home, you're just kind of sitting there chilling,
38:03
you're watching TV, you're looking at your phone, you're,
38:05
you're working on emails, whatever it might might be.
38:07
And then I mean that that is a real life situation.
38:11
Like I even posted in her comments, I was like, this is
38:13
real life people. Oh, no, I saw it.
38:15
That's why I asked a question. I I can have the same, yeah.
38:17
I mean, she goes walking. I don't even know where she got
38:20
the paint book from. Yeah, but I got to find that
38:23
thing and throw it away. She hides shit from me.
38:26
So then I can't throw it away because she always needs to
38:28
revert back to it. Mikey Walter made me laugh.
38:31
When you were a baby his his, you know, Buffy was his first
38:36
wife and of course Schrader and myself.
38:39
We're all having a good time and and we're drinking and and and
38:42
Michael Walter says. Yeah, Buffy's a really good
38:45
decorator, I told her. Try decorating with no money
38:49
now, William. Try decorating somebody else's
38:53
house. Yeah, a lot of fun.
38:56
We love our wives, no doubt. But but as they say, men are
39:00
from Mars, women are from Venus. We are from two different
39:04
places. I want to talk about Braxton a
39:07
little bit. Now, I know that people do ask
39:09
you questions about him because it does make you happy.
39:13
But I was listening to Bill Elliott years ago and Bill said
39:22
here's what Bill said, he said, I sat down with Rick Hendrick
39:26
and I, we formulated this plan and this, and this is where I
39:31
want Chase to be. And it it happened, I believe
39:37
you might have said something about Richard Childress and
39:42
Braxton. Do you have a plan formulated,
39:46
you know, with Richard Childress and and Braxton?
39:50
No. So when I got hired on by RCR
39:53
and we went through our press conference and stuff like that,
39:56
Richard brought $100 bill with and and signed it and gave it to
40:00
Braxton as basically his his commitment to Braxton you know
40:03
I. Love it and so.
40:05
Richard's committed to him and and just you know, they they
40:10
help us out a little bit here and there with some stuff.
40:12
You know we get you know some some drinks from them.
40:14
We also bring some of our cars to their paint shop and and they
40:18
get painted and stuff like that. So it's it's a little bit of
40:20
stuff here or there, which is great.
40:22
Just kind of helps us out because since I sold KB MI don't
40:24
I don't have access to all of that stuff anymore you know.
40:27
So we have to go to outside vendors more.
40:31
But yeah, Braxton's development and his path and everything like
40:34
that, I there is no, you know I haven't gone that far with it.
40:38
Where I've sat down with anybody.
40:39
I feel like he's still too young.
40:42
He's only eight. He'll be nine in May.
40:44
So by the time we get to about 12 is really when I need to
40:49
figure stuff out with him because 12 you can get into late
40:52
models you know TA2 cars, Rd. course cars stuff like that is
40:57
right around the corner, super late models is right around the
41:00
corner. All that sort of stuff.
41:02
So want to make sure that he still enjoys it, he still likes
41:06
it, he's still going to do it. There is a plan just in my mind,
41:10
like I don't even know how to get there.
41:12
But when Brixton's 14, I'd like to run a full Truck Series
41:19
schedule to try to go after a championship, to win a
41:21
championship, give it one shot, try to go get it.
41:25
And then when he turns the next year, he'll turn 15.
41:28
So he and I split the truck because he can run under a mile,
41:32
races at 15. So we'd split it for two years
41:36
and then when he turns 18 he gets the truck full time and and
41:39
he's in and I'm out, you know what I mean?
41:41
So like that's the kind of idea, the play that I have, but I
41:46
don't see, I don't forecast or I don't see anything where he and
41:51
I race each other on Sunday. Yeah, that's awesome though.
41:55
They say to to be good. You got a dream and and man,
41:58
what a, what a wonderful dream that is.
42:02
So when I look at you, I say to myself, my gosh, what else does
42:09
this guy need to do? Obviously there's things you
42:12
want to do. But in racing, when you know I
42:16
read your stats, they're unbelievable.
42:20
So in your mind, what else you know, I mean, we all know we
42:25
want to keep winning, but what is it that drives you?
42:28
What? What is the next
42:30
accomplishments? We just heard some of your
42:32
dreams with with Brexton. What are your dreams with you
42:35
left. I mean, you still got a lot of
42:37
time. You're young.
42:38
Yeah, yeah. Thanks.
42:41
Daytona 500 obviously is top of the list.
42:43
That's, that's number one. I want to be able to win the
42:45
Daytona 500 and have that accomplishment checked off.
42:49
But that's the last box essentially that's empty.
42:53
Of course there's there's adding to the already checked boxes
42:57
that you want to add to, right? You want to win the Coke 600
43:00
again, you want to win the All Star race again, you want to win
43:02
another championship, that sort of stuff.
43:04
And I think with the championship, you know, for me,
43:06
like I would, I would love nothing more than to bring home
43:10
a championship to Richard Childress Racing with our #8 car
43:13
and to be the first guy to do it since Dale Earnhardt did it in
43:16
1994, you know? So to me, like that would be I.
43:22
That would be icing on the cake for me and my career, even
43:25
though it's only one more and it's only three for me.
43:27
Like that's that sets it for me where I won two at JGRI, moved
43:33
on to a different team with RCRI, won another one at RCR and
43:36
then I could probably just, you know, walk away and and and be
43:40
done and happy with that. Yeah, understood.
43:43
So I want, I want to, I want to say to everybody listening right
43:47
now that you're good to me. You call me couple times a year
43:53
looking for race tracks, dirt tracks for your son.
43:56
You're you're calculated and and I know this about you.
44:00
So I just wanted to preface this so you don't think I'm attacking
44:04
you. The racer in me just looks at
44:08
your teammate Austin Dillon and they're they're changing crew
44:12
chiefs around and they're trying to get your cars faster.
44:17
So it's no secret right now that RC Rs cars are off a little bit
44:21
your A racer, is what I'm trying to say.
44:25
What area do you think that needs to be worked on in your
44:31
Cup cars at RCR to to get a little more speed?
44:35
I mean that's that's a great question.
44:37
We talk about that every week. The short track stuff has
44:39
definitely been our struggle and we everybody nowadays relies so
44:43
much on simulation and all that sort of stuff.
44:45
But the SIM stuff has kind of thrown us the wrong way and and
44:50
has LED us to down the wrong path a couple times like we
44:52
tried. We went to the simulator for
44:56
Richmond last year for the spring and we built a setup
44:58
based around what was fast on on on the SIM and we ran it and we
45:03
ran 20th. I think we finished 18th or
45:05
something in the spring race and then we went back there in the
45:08
fall and we literally just copied.
45:11
Thankfully we have our key partners with Chevy, with Team
45:14
Chevy and the Hendrick guys, and we just copied the Hendrick guys
45:16
setups for when we went back there in the fall and we ran
45:19
third. I ran third, Austin ran 8th, I
45:21
think, and we took those same exact setups from last fall and
45:26
ran them again this time. Because we're like, surely if
45:29
we're going to be any any worse, we're going to run 10th, you
45:32
know what I mean? But if we're still going to, if
45:33
they're still going to be what they were, then we're going to
45:35
run top five And we ran 20th like we were not even in the
45:39
ballpark. So it's crazy that that stuff
45:42
like that happens, like what's tried and true, don't screw it
45:47
up, dummy. Just run it again and lo and
45:50
behold, it doesn't work. So you always got to be on the
45:52
forefront of new ideas and fresh ideas and you just got to be
45:55
smarter and better. So I think some of it is set up
45:57
stuff, Yes. I think some of it is car build.
46:01
You know, just having the splitter in the right position,
46:04
having the floor in the right position, the body in the right
46:07
position, like all that sort of stuff and being able to get
46:09
everything right with that. And you know what's next on the
46:13
forefront of, you know, little chassis tweaks that you can do.
46:18
And where do you put this washer?
46:20
In that spacer for your Ackerman or for, you know, your bump
46:23
steer, or do you bump steer the rear, all that sort of like,
46:26
there's just so many things now that that you have at your well,
46:30
you have at your disposal, but everybody has the same stuff.
46:33
So it's really, really hard to find that advantage.
46:37
Yeah, I understand. I I was at Bristol and I was
46:39
looking at the cars and I thought to myself, my Lord, you
46:45
know it it and you're right as the same as they all are.
46:49
There's a lot of adjustments and I I get it and the.
46:53
Littlest of things can make you a hero or make you a zero.
46:57
I mean, it is so small it's crazy.
46:59
Yeah, yeah, it it, it is. It is unbelievable.
47:03
I get it. I totally get it because I I
47:06
build my own race cars and you and I are the same.
47:10
Well, we have an hour and here we are already 47 minutes.
47:14
So let's end this the way that I do with the other greats.
47:21
You've been in NASCAR a long time and you've done it all and
47:25
I've said that's my second time. So that qualifies you to tell me
47:30
what you think about NASCAR right now.
47:33
And we can discuss it a little bit in its totality from what
47:36
tracks they're going to, to rules to restart zones.
47:41
What do you think about NASCAR right now?
47:47
Yeah, I mean I feel as though we've we've definitely gotten
47:51
away from the racing product and the competitive nature of our
47:56
business. Although we all race every
47:58
weekend, I feel like and NASCAR said it like we need butts in
48:02
the seats. We're an entertainment business.
48:04
You know, I feel like in the older days, you know, 70s,
48:09
eighties, 90s, people came to see the competition, people came
48:12
to see the competitors race and who was going to beat who and
48:16
who might get into a tangle with who and that sort of stuff,
48:19
right? And now we're an entertainment
48:22
business. We want to see more cars on TV,
48:24
more racing, more passing, more this and that.
48:27
I mean, everybody talks about how great Bristol was.
48:30
That was an epic disaster that turned out to be a great race.
48:34
I mean, just because of tire life and saving tires and this
48:37
and that, like it gave now, was it extreme?
48:39
It was. It was extreme, right?
48:41
Like if we could have had tires that went 50 laps no matter how
48:45
hard you ran them, but they would burn off at 60, that would
48:47
have been great. But literally we were burning
48:49
them off at 30. So I feel like there is a lot
48:54
more pressure that can be put on, on Goodyear to making the
48:58
product better. I do feel as though the the
49:01
avenues that we've gone down with the technology in the car,
49:04
with the arrow stuff that we've done with the underbody and the
49:08
and the diffuser and all that doesn't work in our landscape
49:11
because to me, we're all we. We race in circles, majority,
49:16
right? And when you're in people's
49:18
wakes and when you're racing around you hear this arrow tight
49:21
or this this downforce talk all the time, you've got to create
49:26
less of that. So when you lose it, you are
49:28
losing less of it. We we, we shouldn't have more of
49:31
it. And the thing about our cars is
49:33
when we're in traffic and you're behind somebody, you're going
49:36
through the corner and you get tucked up behind somebody.
49:40
You're the overbody air that's going over the car in front of
49:43
you is now not pushing down on your car downforce, right?
49:47
It's not pushing down on your car.
49:48
But the air from underneath that car in front of you is now going
49:52
underneath your front splitter. And when it comes out from the
49:54
back of the car in front of you, it starts this upwards twirl.
49:58
And that upwards twirl to me catches the front splitter
50:01
because our front splitters are now two inches off the ground to
50:03
get air underneath them. Well, now it's creating lift.
50:06
So that's what we call blowout moments.
50:08
We have blowouts where the front of our car shoots out from
50:11
behind the guy in front of you. So we we need to eliminate that
50:16
stuff and get rid of that stuff. And that's my take on it.
50:20
I think you're always going to have a product of Arrow issues
50:25
because, I mean, I love Mark and Mark Martin and talking with
50:29
him, he was like, if you're moving, air is involved.
50:35
No matter what. No matter what.
50:37
No matter. What?
50:38
So, like those guys were looking at that stuff in the 70s, racing
50:41
those arrows with all the blown out fenders and the big old
50:44
spoilers. Like they knew what was up.
50:45
Oh yeah, And so yeah, it's just air is important.
50:50
So we're all trying to utilize it way too heavily.
50:53
Yeah, you know, as they would say back in the day, I'm not
50:56
ashamed. But you know, and you you were
50:58
involved in this, you know we were moving the noses you know
51:03
to the right which made the defender straight which made you
51:06
get in the corner better put more angle on the left front,
51:09
pull it. Yeah.
51:10
You know, Mark is right. You know sometimes we don't say
51:15
it in a fancy way. Nevermind.
51:18
I got to tell this quick story. You just got me going.
51:21
You know my brother Rusty is an incredible chassis man.
51:24
He he's as good a chassis man as he is a driver and they're
51:28
they're brisked on their test and and you know it's Penske
51:31
shocks. Well Rusty's owner is Rodger
51:33
Penske so they have a Penske guy come and Rusty kind of builds
51:38
the shocks on his own. You know he don't build them but
51:40
he tells them what he wants. Looks at the graph.
51:43
Penske guys goes let me build you some shocks for Russell.
51:47
Rusty puts his big paw right in front of the guy's face.
51:50
He goes, I got this pal. You know so it it it's chassis
51:55
our whole life and I don't think the fans understand how smart
51:59
you are. And and I'm glad that you really
52:03
explained all that Arrow stuff because there's not many drivers
52:07
like you. Mark Martin, Rusty.
52:11
You know I. And then I think about how great
52:13
that makes Jeff Gordy, because he don't know.
52:16
Hell, he couldn't Weld two pieces of metal together, but he
52:19
still gets it done. He's a four time champion.
52:22
He he definitely got it done. He knew what he was doing in
52:24
that time. I mean you know to me I feel
52:26
like some of the some of the older stuff like late 2010, 1213
52:33
era like I really knew what was going on.
52:36
I could tell the guys what was going on with the cars and
52:38
stuff. And then we got the bump stops
52:40
and I, you know we're on Coalbine first and then we got
52:43
the bump stops and I still felt like I had a good sense of what
52:46
was going on. And then we got to this car and
52:49
I'm, you know, I don't know if it's the, if it's the
52:52
independent rear or what's happening.
52:54
That's kind of throwing me off a little bit of of the true rear
52:57
feel that I'm getting because like I can burn through a set of
52:59
rear tires faster than anybody. Where the old car I was fine,
53:03
Like I didn't have that problem with the old car.
53:04
Like I could OverDrive the tire, OverDrive the car and that's was
53:08
that was where I made my speed. And now it's like whenever I do
53:11
that, whenever I OverDrive the tire, I can make speed doing it,
53:14
I can run up to the next guy and catch him.
53:16
But when I get there, I got nothing to pass him with, you
53:19
know what I mean? So like I just feel like that's
53:22
kind of been my struggle recently with this car is just
53:25
having having the, the, the knoweth all to what limit and
53:30
how hard and fast you got to drive the thing.
53:33
Yeah. This is going to be brutal, what
53:35
I'm going to say, but as you're talking, I'm thinking this this
53:40
car technically stopped your brother Kurt Busch's career.
53:47
It was so stiff that when he wrecked it, it hurt his brain.
53:52
And you're, you know, obviously your brother.
53:54
I'm not telling you anything. I'm just saying for the fans,
53:57
Kurt Busch, your brother said that, listen, I just can't get
54:01
back the way I used to be now to solidify this.
54:07
You know, I've looked at the cars and now NASCAR's went to
54:10
all the rear bars in the back and cut slots in them to weaken
54:14
the rear clips. A lot of people.
54:18
I guess my question to you statement, I want you to respond
54:21
is there's been a lot of people that have paid the price with
54:25
this car. Yeah, well, I mean, I don't know
54:29
that it's just this car. I mean, look back in history,
54:31
right? Like when you had the the cars
54:34
off the streets, you know, the showroom cars that they put bars
54:37
in and they went to the racetrack with.
54:39
We were hurting people back then as well too.
54:41
So safety initiatives have definitely come a long ways
54:45
always and need to always be at the forefront to to keep drivers
54:49
safe. So yes Kurt, you know he did get
54:52
hurt in his car and it and it was made too stiff and all of us
54:54
drivers talked about it. I think Ryan Newman voiced it a
54:58
lot of times and he he probably had a little Bush in him also
55:03
where he didn't quite give it the in the nicest way take to it
55:09
as well as they probably should have.
55:10
But they they they, Ryan didn't say anything wrong.
55:14
He just might not have said it the right way.
55:17
But you know they have done some of that work where they've
55:21
softened up the front clip they've softened up the rear
55:23
clip. They've tried to add some some
55:26
crush zones to the car so it doesn't all boom go to the
55:30
driver because our seats are mounted they're they're they're
55:32
hard mounted, right. Like we're not on air.
55:35
We're not on air. We're not in rubber.
55:36
We're we're nothing like it's just the anything of the shock
55:40
of the car goes through to the driver.
55:41
So trying to take some of that away has certainly been
55:45
beneficial. And yeah, I mean we, we just got
55:49
to keep working on it. Do you like same subject?
55:53
Do you like NASCAR going to the Chicago St. course?
55:57
Do you like them trying new things?
56:00
Yeah, I I think the Chicago thing, you know, I I liked it,
56:05
you know in in 2018, I think it was when I became the only
56:08
driver to ever win at every track that was on the schedule
56:10
because the schedule had stayed the same for.
56:13
Here we go. And so that's why I got that,
56:16
like, that was great. And so now we go to all these
56:19
different tracks and I've never wanted any of them.
56:20
So no, I don't like those tracks until I went at them.
56:24
But Chicago I thought was great. I mean, as much as it was, the
56:28
weather didn't play well with us and we had to deal with the rain
56:31
and the flooding and all that sort of stuff.
56:32
The fans were still there. It still turned out really well.
56:35
I hope that we've got a bright, nice 85° day when we go back
56:39
this year and it's awesome for everybody to come up there and
56:41
enjoy a nice venue at the the concerts, going on and barbecues
56:46
and whatever else. So that's 4th of July weekend.
56:48
It's a great weekend to be up there in in Chicago and enjoying
56:51
it outside. So that was fun.
56:52
Can we do some more of that? I think so.
56:55
I've heard Long Beach talks, I think that would be fine.
56:57
The the only corner that concerns me there is obviously
57:01
the last final turn, the hairpin before leading onto the front
57:03
stretch. It's so tight over there and our
57:05
cars like when we turn, they don't turn far enough.
57:08
Like the steering boxes, don't don't turn the tires far enough
57:12
in order to get around some tight turns.
57:14
Like you know, we used to be able to turn in and out of the
57:16
garage areas with our old cars. Fine.
57:18
Now whenever we go in and out of the garage areas, we have to
57:21
pull up to the next door, back up and pull back in we got to
57:23
do. A wide you.
57:24
Know, so I think that might be an issue but we we proved at the
57:29
Coliseum that it was fine. So, you know, I think it'll be
57:32
good. That's good stuff, that that
57:34
reminds me of Juan Pablo talking about racing at Monaco, that
57:38
that one where they go around the, he says.
57:40
You get to a point where if you don't do it right, you can't
57:43
make the corner. Right.
57:44
Yeah, that. That's what I'm afraid of.
57:46
Somebody won't do it right and they won't make the corner and
57:48
then it's a it's a log jam backwards.
57:51
Well, you you you brought up something really exciting.
57:54
Let's end it on that, Kyle. So Long Beach, maybe that's what
58:00
they're going to announce. I've.
58:00
I've been looking at social media.
58:03
You've given me a little nugget there.
58:04
Let's see if it turns out to be true.
58:06
Maybe it's going to be Long Beach next year and that would
58:09
be exciting. Nice area.
58:11
You and Samantha would like that area out there, I guess.
58:14
What do you know about it? I know nothing.
58:17
I know nothing. All I know is it was the Toyota
58:20
Long Beach Grand Prix for how many years?
58:23
So being a part of the Toyota family, I'll have to reach out
58:27
to my friends over there to get some passes for some friends
58:29
that are in the area, I'm sure. I like it well, Kyle Busch.
58:32
Listen, this was wonderful. I think the fans have learned a
58:36
lot about you. You are right there at the
58:40
greatest, one of the greatest of all time.
58:43
Your numbers are incredible. That's why we started to show
58:46
off like that. Listen, everybody, we are in
58:48
podcast form. Check this out on iTunes,
58:52
Spotify and Kyle Busch. Thank you so much for being on
58:57
Kenny conversation. Absolutely, man.
58:59
Yeah, happy to do it. Glad we covered a lot of
59:01
different topics. So good.
59:03
Good going man. All right.
59:05
Thanks a lot. All right, everybody.
59:06
Until next time.