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Jags Drive Time: Wednesday, December 4 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Celebrating twenty five years of Jaguars football. It's intercepted. Why
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Speaker 1: Peterson's got He's on the run to the outside the touchdown?
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Speaker 1: Mike Peterson, Jaguars did Jack? Jaguars? Did you? Jaguars Drive Time?
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Speaker 1: Ryan Sex steps to John oh Joy as Jaguars Drive
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Speaker 1: Time starts right now. Good morning, Happy Wednesday to you.
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Speaker 1: Jaguars Drive Time Wednesday Morning, brought to you by Duval
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Speaker 1: Motor Company. Be with my two co host Brian and John.
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Speaker 1: How are you doing, Fellers? Well, we fist bumped over
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Speaker 1: the Mike Pete call and I got Brian went a
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Speaker 1: little hard? Are you wound up? So maybe you off
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Speaker 1: my game a little bit? Is maybe an interesting chef?
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Speaker 1: That may not be the last blue right? No. I
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Speaker 1: saw him afar the wind up. I thought, oh, this
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Speaker 1: is going way back. It was something explosion. We take
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Speaker 1: so much fever definitely rolled on that and he can
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Speaker 1: bring it back. Let's get into big things. The team
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Speaker 1: back on the practice field today. Big thing one is
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Speaker 1: Gardner's game plan. How is this offense different with number
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Speaker 1: fifteen in the pocket than it was with number seven.
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Speaker 1: One of the biggest differences, obviously, is Gardner's mobility. Rome
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Speaker 1: mentioned on Monday that Gardner's mobility alusiveness made this decision
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Speaker 1: go towards Gardner's direction. When you have an offensive line
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Speaker 1: with the way it is Gardner Minshew right now, gives
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars the best chance to win, is what Doug
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Speaker 1: Brown said. Well here from Doug Morown today as well
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Speaker 1: as Gardner Minshew in his press conference. The man is
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Speaker 1: back behind the podium. Big thing too is killing them.
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Speaker 1: The Jaguars are the most penalized team in the NFL.
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Speaker 1: They have a hundred and five accepted penalties. Last week.
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Speaker 1: You saw the impact with fifteen penalties this season. You've
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Speaker 1: seen the impact with being the most penalized team in
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Speaker 1: the NFL. How do you fix it the next four weeks?
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Speaker 1: How do you exit going forward? Obviously it is something
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Speaker 1: that needs to be fixed. Big thing three sixty minutes.
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Speaker 1: Chargers have lost the most closed games in the NFL.
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Speaker 1: Lost in a field goal to the Broncos last week.
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Speaker 1: That means that this Jaguars team has to play a
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Speaker 1: full sixty minutes and hopefully it is a close game
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Speaker 1: that they possibly could win to snap this four game
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Speaker 1: losing streak. Well, and that's the key is that you'd
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Speaker 1: like it to be a sixty minute game. When was
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Speaker 1: the last time they played a sixty minute game? A
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Speaker 1: very long time ago. It's been a while, right, and
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Speaker 1: this team needs to be able to find a way.
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Speaker 1: It's a four and seven Chargers team coming all the
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Speaker 1: way across the country. You would think that you should
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Speaker 1: be able to play a competitive game against the team
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Speaker 1: that's not playing very well. Um, but that was a
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Speaker 1: Bucks team that wasn't necessary although they had won consecutive games.
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Speaker 1: He didn't play very well against them either, so it
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Speaker 1: was far from a sixty minute even back to the
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Speaker 1: top and talk about Gardner Minshew and how the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: have to game plan for him because the Chargers now
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Speaker 1: have the opportunity to watch him all week and look
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Speaker 1: at what he's done. You know, the Buccaneers obviously did
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Speaker 1: not do that. And the key for him, the key
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Speaker 1: for John d. Philippo, is going to be able to
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Speaker 1: find ways to make him successful in the pocket because
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Speaker 1: you have two wide edge rushers Bosa and Ingram who
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Speaker 1: can redirect their that athletic so they're going to stay
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Speaker 1: outside and force him to stay in the pocket, which
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Speaker 1: is what Houston did. It's what Indie did. It's what
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Speaker 1: Tennessee see. Well, Indian Tennessee didn't see him. It's what
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Speaker 1: Tampa did in the in the fourth quarter. Once they
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Speaker 1: got to fix on him, they got to find a
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Speaker 1: way for this kid to be successful in the pocket
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Speaker 1: because I get that everybody's enamored with his ability to move.
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Speaker 1: Teams are gonna take that away from him. They're not
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Speaker 1: going to be beaten by him sliding past them. Well,
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Speaker 1: and the thing you said, uh, the Bucks I thought
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Speaker 1: did adjust. They clearly had a secondary game plan in
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Speaker 1: case he came in, and when he came in, they
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Speaker 1: started cutting off his escape lanes, and that hurt what
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Speaker 1: he was trying to do because he's very comfortable doing that. Um,
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Speaker 1: I think on big thing one, more than necessarily having
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Speaker 1: this dynamic, different game plan for him, I do expect
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Speaker 1: Flip knows more when he's sitting there calling the play,
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Speaker 1: he's got to have more of a comfort level with Okay, Instinctively,
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Speaker 1: I know Gardener likes this. Okay, so I don't mind
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Speaker 1: going to that. You would think that Gardner has more
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Speaker 1: of an ability than he did in week two during
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Speaker 1: a game planning meeting to say, ah, that probably for me,
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Speaker 1: doesn't quite work. So I think you'll see more of
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Speaker 1: a comfort level with that. I don't think you're gonna
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Speaker 1: see a dynamic difference. And now the Jaguars play offense, Well,
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be it's gonna have to be the routes
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Speaker 1: that you wrong, the combinations that you put in the
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Speaker 1: middle of the field. This it's not in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the field, That's what I mean. Where you'd love
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Speaker 1: to have a tight end somebody that you could rely on,
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Speaker 1: middle distance, middle of the field. You don't have that.
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Speaker 1: So how do you adjust. Well, you're gonna have to
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Speaker 1: do it with Keelan Cole, You're gonna have to do
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Speaker 1: it with D. D. Westbrook. You're gonna have to find
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Speaker 1: route combinations that get guys open, and then they're going
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Speaker 1: to have to get open, and they're going to have
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Speaker 1: to do it quickly because you're not going to be
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Speaker 1: able unless the running game gets started strong, which changes
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Speaker 1: the entire dynamic. You're not going to be able to
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Speaker 1: rely on gardners standing in the pocket very long waiting
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Speaker 1: for routes to develop. They're gonna be some quick hitters.
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Speaker 1: You saw with the relationship that was building with Minshew
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Speaker 1: and James O'Shaughnessy. Earlier in the season, it was looking
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Speaker 1: like something that you could almost count on. It was
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Speaker 1: something they could count Yeah, and then when O'Shaughnessy's on
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Speaker 1: injured reserve, you can't really expect D. D. Westbrook or
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Speaker 1: Heeling Cole to fill that hole that we were seeing
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Speaker 1: with James Oshauness. Well, no, you can't expect them to
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Speaker 1: be him, but you can expect John D. Philippo to
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Speaker 1: come up with different combinations that get them in the
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Speaker 1: middle of the middle of the field. They don't have
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Speaker 1: to run the exact same routes to the exact same distance,
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Speaker 1: but they've got to take some of that off. Yes,
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Speaker 1: you can't expect that. That's John D. Philippo's job this
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Speaker 1: week to find ways to get his receivers open quickly
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Speaker 1: in places. Look, the corners are very good and you've
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Speaker 1: got Derwin James in the middle of the field again,
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Speaker 1: they're going to take away with the Jaguars want to do.
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Speaker 1: D J. Chark is going to have to fight for yards,
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Speaker 1: so is Chris Connelly. All right, Well, the middle of
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Speaker 1: the field should be an area they attack. Who they
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Speaker 1: gonna do with It's gotta be Westbrook. It's gotta be
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Speaker 1: healing coal. They've got to find room because help is
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Speaker 1: not on the way. There's no tight end and you
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Speaker 1: can't sit here, and you know, grind your teeth about
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Speaker 1: what you don't have. We've been talking about this all
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Speaker 1: season long. What you can grind your teeth a little
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Speaker 1: bit about, though, is the penalty situe. Fifteen penalties last week,
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Speaker 1: you know, and you can go back and look at
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Speaker 1: each one of them, and there were probably six really
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Speaker 1: impactful penalties that changed the game. Go back to the
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Speaker 1: Tennessee game. Right, Brandon Lennard gets two holding calls, one
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Speaker 1: that negates first and tent at the sixteen yard line
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Speaker 1: on the opening drive of the game, and one in
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Speaker 1: the second quarter that negates a long thirty thirty five
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Speaker 1: yard run that puts the Jaguars into Titans territory. The sloppiness,
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Speaker 1: the mistakes, some of them just happened. Some of them
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Speaker 1: are phantom calls to right, and in fairness to those
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Speaker 1: two not you know, the two Tennessee we've gone over this.
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Speaker 1: I didn't love those calls by the officials, and I'm
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Speaker 1: not usually blame the officials guy, but overall, when you
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Speaker 1: have his main penalties as Jaguars have. They're not all
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Speaker 1: phantom calls. They're not and they're had. I'm taking that up.
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Speaker 1: I mean this. If there's anything that that you point
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Speaker 1: to with the coaching staff, yeah, you know what I
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Speaker 1: mean that you gotta work. That's got to be cleaned up.
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Speaker 1: You can't be the most penalized team in the league.
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Speaker 1: How do you fix that though we're talking about for
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Speaker 1: three years? Yeah? Yeah, And do you expect it to
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Speaker 1: be fixed in four weeks? Not really? I mean it's ah,
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Speaker 1: and well you can fix it from fifteen to ten,
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Speaker 1: can't you? I mean sure? Why not? One thing? We
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Speaker 1: always talk about offensive line with penalties, So I kind
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Speaker 1: of segue into this this and this is a really
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Speaker 1: big thing. But um, something at Ashton said at the
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Speaker 1: top struck me. Seven. With the offensive line playing this way,
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Speaker 1: Gardener's got to be mobile. This is the starting offensive line.
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Speaker 1: This isn't last year where you were devastated with injuries.
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Speaker 1: I can't quite put my finger on why. Every player
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Speaker 1: on the offensive line I look at, I think Winders, okay,
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Speaker 1: I think normal has had a couple of bad plays
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Speaker 1: this year, But I think overall, from talking people who
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Speaker 1: know football, he has not played as poorly as perceptionist.
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Speaker 1: I don't think he's a bad player. I don't necessarily
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Speaker 1: think Cam Robinson is a bad player, and I don't
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Speaker 1: necessarily think that Joan Taylor is a bad player. And
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Speaker 1: a J cann I think it's a serviceable right guard.
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Speaker 1: But the group as a whole, really for three years,
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Speaker 1: for some reason just isn't quite what individually we think
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Speaker 1: they are. And again I'm not sure it's coaching. He said,
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Speaker 1: it's had different coaches. The offensive line from two seven
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Speaker 1: team was supposed to be a strength for this team,
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Speaker 1: and it's I don't think it's been atrocious, but it
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Speaker 1: just hasn't been that strength that you can rely on.
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Speaker 1: And we've sort of been talking about it for years
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Speaker 1: and I can't quite figure out why. Because I think
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Speaker 1: all of them are good to average players. It shouldn't
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Speaker 1: be a problem. Well, I think you want Taylor is
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Speaker 1: much better than that, although he's not played that well.
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Speaker 1: That is worst game last week, but he's going to
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Speaker 1: be good. He's going to be very good. And Cam
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Speaker 1: Robinson in the last couple of weeks has shown more
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Speaker 1: of what we expected to see him. Remember, I mean
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Speaker 1: missed all of last year with the A. I think
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Speaker 1: both of those guys have totally agree, and I think
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Speaker 1: Brandon Lender's a guy you can keep playing with. So
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Speaker 1: we've mentioned three out of five, right, But the guards
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Speaker 1: to me are underwhelming. Yeah, the guards are. Ajakan is
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Speaker 1: what he is. He's what he's always been. But at
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Speaker 1: the same time, if if the if outside in middle
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Speaker 1: are good, you're supposed to get you associates. Not I'm
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Speaker 1: saying that's where it seems. He's okay. I know, I mean,
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Speaker 1: and but there's three players there, and I'm saying one
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Speaker 1: of them is okay. The other two I think no,
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Speaker 1: And people can talk about Linda hasn't been as bad.
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Speaker 1: But I can go back to, especially early in the season,
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Speaker 1: where there was a sack at a key moment because
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Speaker 1: he missed the protection, So maybe two protection Occasionally. Doug
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Speaker 1: alluded to it real early in the season that they're
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Speaker 1: not all playing poorly and they're all playing pretty well,
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Speaker 1: but there's lapses, you know, individual lapses. That's what it is,
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Speaker 1: and it's I wouldn't really trying to argue with you.
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Speaker 1: I go over and over in my head. I keep
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Speaker 1: getting questions from people. Why is he havings some line bad.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that it's bad. It just hasn't quite
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Speaker 1: been what you thought it was going to be and
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Speaker 1: you can't figure out what And maybe that's and I
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Speaker 1: want to say unfairness, but an unfairness to Nick Foles
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Speaker 1: because he does like to stand in the pocket. We
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Speaker 1: saw the two sacks, the second and third possession. Is
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Speaker 1: it almost unfair that this offensive line doesn't tailor to
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Speaker 1: nick full strength? And that's why you had to make
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Speaker 1: the decision to go back to Gardner because you gotta
10:54
Speaker 1: play with what you have at this point. Yeah, on
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Speaker 1: the second sack, you still got to hold the ball though,
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Speaker 1: that was I mean, Doug said it. I think on Monday.
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Speaker 1: The pocket awareness on that one wasn't great. Yeah, he
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Speaker 1: should have seen it coming on the first one, and
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Speaker 1: even on the interception, it looked like pressure came. Those
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Speaker 1: two probably could have happened to anybody. Maybe they have
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Speaker 1: a circumstantial but there's also an element at some point
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Speaker 1: in the NFL you've got, you know, we talked about
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Speaker 1: with Gardner at nausea, you've got to hold the ball
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Speaker 1: with two hands until the last possible second before you
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Speaker 1: get the ball out in order to present fumbles, in
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Speaker 1: order to prevent fumbles. And go back and look at
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Speaker 1: Nick Foles two thousand nineteen season. It happened in one play,
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Speaker 1: the highlight and the low light, the touchdown pass to
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Speaker 1: d J HRC against Kansas City, which was a beautiful
11:40
Speaker 1: touchdown pass put right on the spots on that very play.
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Speaker 1: And the season was never the same because when he
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Speaker 1: got into the game against the Colts, the Titans, and
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Speaker 1: then the Buccaneers, he never looked like he did in
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Speaker 1: those first twelve or thirteen snaps again, and what we
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Speaker 1: saw him training camp, the entirement that we were all
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Speaker 1: more of a pleasant place. On Wednesday, some of the
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Speaker 1: emotions have calmed down. It seems well, that's like saying
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Speaker 1: Let's go to Brett. What do you have to say? Brett?
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Speaker 1: Evaluating Gardner Minshew as a long term solution at quarterback
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Speaker 1: will be tough given the holes this team has, particularly
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Speaker 1: up front. What would coach zone need to see for
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Speaker 1: him to feel confident that he is the guy for
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Speaker 1: the foreseeable future. Well, I want to get Coach Bry's thoughts.
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Speaker 1: Just imagine John is here of great sweatpants, whistle around it.
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Speaker 1: I typically go nineteen seventy nine coaches short spikey yea,
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Speaker 1: So please look very good, scares you know, what you'd
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Speaker 1: like to see is what he can do from the pocket.
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Speaker 1: And you would like to see more calmness, poise. Um.
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Speaker 1: You know, and as you say that, you hesitate because
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Speaker 1: so much of what he does well as sort of
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Speaker 1: the excitement part. But I don't know that you can
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Speaker 1: live on that forever. The problem is can you judge
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Speaker 1: him with this offensive line? The plane with the tha
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Speaker 1: it is right now? You know, there's always a bounce.
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Speaker 1: We went through this with Blake, went through this Blae
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Speaker 1: gather every quarterback when there's a lot of pressure, you
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Speaker 1: never quite know is it because they're not seeing the
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Speaker 1: field well enough and getting the ball out? A timely,
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Speaker 1: confident quarterback can help a struggling offensive line. This franchise
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Speaker 1: hasn't had that for a while, so we don't know
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Speaker 1: how to see it. Um, But I would like to
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Speaker 1: see better pocket presence and less as soon as the
16:33
Speaker 1: foot's in the ground looking to run. But as I
16:37
Speaker 1: said to somebody on Sunday night, I don't necessarily blame
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Speaker 1: him for looking to run right now. Well, you know
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Speaker 1: that was more brune when he came into the ground.
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Speaker 1: Remember his first start was in New York at the
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Speaker 1: Old meadow Lands against the Jets and market anytime a
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Speaker 1: green shirt flashed in front planet his foot and he
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Speaker 1: took off, and he said it took him a while
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Speaker 1: to really figure that part. Without a doubt. I saw
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Speaker 1: a little bit of what I want to see more
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Speaker 1: of for minshow in this game. Here the quick identification
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Speaker 1: a couple of the first balls he saw at the
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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, what the defense was offering him he
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Speaker 1: identified he was going to Conny kindly drop the first one,
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Speaker 1: but came back and made a catch, did Tequila? And
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Speaker 1: I think a couple of times I want to see
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Speaker 1: the identification of the line of scrimmage because he's going
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Speaker 1: to have to be able to make quick decisions with
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Speaker 1: this offensive line right up the middle, especially this week
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Speaker 1: with Bosa and Ingram keeping him in the pocket. Don't
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Speaker 1: you know that Gus Bradley will be ready for that.
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Speaker 1: So identification, which is part of the process most quarterbacks.
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Speaker 1: You're just trying to do what the coach asked them
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Speaker 1: to do. Then the next phase is to see what
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Speaker 1: the defense is offering and do what the coach wants
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Speaker 1: you to do. And the next phase after that is
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Speaker 1: to see what the defense is offering and do what
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Speaker 1: you want to do. Um. So I want to see
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Speaker 1: some identification of the line of scrimmage that he sees
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Speaker 1: where to go with the ball, makes a quick decision
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Speaker 1: and gets rid of the ball. That is him overcoming
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Speaker 1: the obstacle in front of him, which is a less
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Speaker 1: than great offensive line. It's funny with Gardner and I'm
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Speaker 1: not quite sure if I have the idea exactly right
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Speaker 1: what I'm trying to stay and I gonna trying to
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, what does that ever stop you? Well,
18:06
Speaker 1: that's that's a very fair point. Um. It's almost like
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Speaker 1: because he was such a dynamic, huge story from the
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Speaker 1: moment he scept on the field, which is so unusual
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Speaker 1: for a six round quarterback. If this had been you know,
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Speaker 1: Tanner Lee having the same success that he had this year,
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Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been the phenomenon. There's so much around Minshew,
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Speaker 1: and he's so quickly became part of the culture in
18:35
Speaker 1: Jacksonville that it's easy to forget that he's only going
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Speaker 1: into his ninth NFL start this week. So some of
18:42
Speaker 1: the things that we're talking about and some of the
18:44
Speaker 1: things that we've said on the air for the past
18:45
Speaker 1: four or five days sort of questioning what he is,
18:48
Speaker 1: what he's going to become. It's also fair to think
18:51
Speaker 1: that he's going to develop. I mean, he's not, even
18:55
Speaker 1: though he's this mania, you know, Gardner Minshew Menshi mania.
18:58
Speaker 1: We have the Kim's not gonna have chestnuts on his
19:01
Speaker 1: shoes every year and the mic cause my cleats event
19:04
Speaker 1: I hope. So that's cool, but but I look, if
19:08
Speaker 1: you want to know why he's so immensely popular, it's
19:10
Speaker 1: because he puts nuts on his shoes about tweets. Dang it,
19:14
Speaker 1: but bue surprise. The point being, I think we've debated
19:18
Speaker 1: it so much and he had such success that there
19:21
Speaker 1: are some people who believe he's a finished product. This
19:24
Speaker 1: is the best guy boy, you know, um, because we
19:29
Speaker 1: know so much about him and because people like him
19:31
Speaker 1: so much, But he's still a rookie quarterback developing, so
19:34
Speaker 1: some of these things that we see as flaws may
19:37
Speaker 1: still just be things that he can improve on and
19:40
Speaker 1: get better at. So uh, but I was a bad
19:44
Speaker 1: way to make that point. No, not a great job.
19:47
Speaker 1: He's his greatest attribute, we're told, was his intellect for
19:52
Speaker 1: two in the wonderlock a guy who grew up in
19:55
Speaker 1: a couple of different systems. I mean, look, you you
19:57
Speaker 1: watched him go to Washington State from from East Carolina
20:00
Speaker 1: and lead the nation in passing yards in one of
20:03
Speaker 1: the most complex offensive schemes in football today in what
20:07
Speaker 1: he got there in February, I mean months, just a
20:09
Speaker 1: couple of months. So yeah, I think there's plenty of
20:12
Speaker 1: upside for him. He's got a good arm. He does
20:15
Speaker 1: not have a big arm, and so for him, he's
20:19
Speaker 1: got to develop some technique to put little more spin
20:21
Speaker 1: on the ball, a little more velocity. That's off season work.
20:24
Speaker 1: That's going out and working with Tomhouse right and and
20:26
Speaker 1: the coaches that all these NFL quarterbacks go. That's off
20:30
Speaker 1: season technique. No reason to believe that he won't go
20:32
Speaker 1: and do all of that as well. Um, he's an
20:37
Speaker 1: undersized quarterback who will always want to move because he
20:41
Speaker 1: does it well. And that's a tough thing for an
20:45
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback to do unless you're Lamar Jackson, who's escapability
20:49
Speaker 1: and speed are non parallel. I mean, no one else
20:53
Speaker 1: does no one else does that. Um, he's going to
20:56
Speaker 1: have to develop the ability to play the game from
20:58
Speaker 1: the pocket four weeks to do it well. More than that.
21:03
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a couple of years to do that.
21:05
Speaker 1: But I think that's going to be the area where
21:06
Speaker 1: you look and say, okay, can you stand in there? Right,
21:09
Speaker 1: he'll find the ability this week to escape here there.
21:12
Speaker 1: But if he keeps trying to escape, he's gonna he's
21:15
Speaker 1: gonna get up getting sacked like he did against the
21:17
Speaker 1: Texans in London. All Right, let's go to Tom from
21:19
Speaker 1: section two. More games and the mean streets of knockety.
21:24
Speaker 1: He says, would it be fair to say that Nick
21:26
Speaker 1: Foles has laughed Hugh Douglas, Joey Porter and that dB
21:29
Speaker 1: whose wife won the Olympics, as the worst three agent
21:32
Speaker 1: signing in Jaguar's history. Well it's not good. Um, you
21:37
Speaker 1: know I think one uhn't Jolly Porter. It was Jerry Porter.
21:45
Speaker 1: Jerry Porter and that's my fault. It didn't hit me
21:47
Speaker 1: until I send something the question it's Jerry Porter, the
21:49
Speaker 1: wide receiver. UM. I think probably maybe on the field
21:55
Speaker 1: because the money and everything, all three of those guys,
21:57
Speaker 1: I wasn't here. I was here for Aaron Ross, I
22:00
Speaker 1: wasn't here for Douglas and Porter. My impression was they
22:04
Speaker 1: brought a little bit of attitude that didn't help. I'm
22:07
Speaker 1: probably being mild Henschel. Wasn't that Nick Foles wasn't a
22:12
Speaker 1: bad guy who came in here and tried to steal money? Yeah,
22:16
Speaker 1: I mean, and I don't know. These three guys will
22:19
Speaker 1: have to know if that's what they were doing or not.
22:20
Speaker 1: But whatever nick Foles isn't that in terms of you
22:25
Speaker 1: can certainly see you can certainly see why they made
22:28
Speaker 1: the Nick Foles decision. I guess it's my point. There
22:30
Speaker 1: was no um but on the field in terms of
22:35
Speaker 1: the money costs. If if he never plays again, he's
22:38
Speaker 1: the highest page. How could he not? So if you're
22:41
Speaker 1: just looking at dollars, then yes, um, Hugh Douglas was
22:45
Speaker 1: a total jerk from the moment he showed up and
22:48
Speaker 1: left here and just trashed Jackson. Despite the money they
22:50
Speaker 1: paid him. Aaron Ross did the same thing. He wasn't
22:53
Speaker 1: He wasn't a jerk, but he wasn't a good guy.
22:55
Speaker 1: Jerry Porter showed up wearing a T shirt that I
22:57
Speaker 1: cannot say what said, I'll tell you guys off there
23:00
Speaker 1: um reprehensible as I saw it the day he walked
23:05
Speaker 1: in here for the offseason conditioning, and I said, they
23:07
Speaker 1: paid him ten million dollars. Don't let Dolores Weaver see
23:11
Speaker 1: that T shirt, my god, And I knew immediately that
23:14
Speaker 1: that was a disaster, and it was. He caught one
23:17
Speaker 1: touchdown pass in a game in which the Jaguars had
23:20
Speaker 1: already blown out the windless Lions, and other than that
23:23
Speaker 1: in two thousand eight he did nothing. So I cannot
23:26
Speaker 1: in good conscience because the quality of the person matters
23:28
Speaker 1: to me. I cannot say that Nick Foles is on
23:31
Speaker 1: par with Hugh Douglas or with Jerry Porter. And then
23:35
Speaker 1: Aaron Ross left and popped off, which was sort of
23:37
Speaker 1: a jerk thing to do too. So my stance with
23:39
Speaker 1: Aaron as he had one pop off moment where he
23:41
Speaker 1: was trying to be funny on TV and it didn't work.
23:44
Speaker 1: And in talking to Aaron he was here. I never
23:46
Speaker 1: got the impression that he was. I take all the
23:49
Speaker 1: money that I paid Nick Foles and consider it money
23:54
Speaker 1: better spent than all the money that I paid those
23:57
Speaker 1: three clowns. Yeah that would be me, alright, not the
24:02
Speaker 1: same class. Here's the other thing we have to take
24:03
Speaker 1: into consideration. What if he what if he comes back
24:07
Speaker 1: and play the story isn't done yet. Yeah, it's not done.
24:09
Speaker 1: So yeah, those three, though, are the three worst. Well
24:14
Speaker 1: you might throw a couple of other guys anywhere, but
24:16
Speaker 1: those are three that they're high on the list. All right,
24:19
Speaker 1: let's go to Lanta, Georgia and wrap it up with
24:21
Speaker 1: Mike John. If it isn't coaching, it's personnel. There are
24:26
Speaker 1: a lot of deficiencies on the roster. But at the
24:28
Speaker 1: same time, I feel like there is more talent on
24:30
Speaker 1: this team than the record shows. Yeah, and I actually
24:36
Speaker 1: rare from me. Actually thought about this for a while. Um,
24:39
Speaker 1: and I just don't know if that's right. I don't
24:42
Speaker 1: know if this team is under performing in terms of talent.
24:48
Speaker 1: It uh, I think there is talent. I think the
24:50
Speaker 1: good news is you have d J. Chark, who has
24:53
Speaker 1: shown signs of being a very good receiver, A one.
24:56
Speaker 1: I think he has those traits. Josh Allen um unique
25:01
Speaker 1: and Gokway is a very very very good pass rusher.
25:04
Speaker 1: I think Mike He's doing is comparing this bad team
25:07
Speaker 1: to some other bad teams in Jacksonville four team. So
25:12
Speaker 1: this team has more talent than those teams. But it's
25:15
Speaker 1: it's not hard to see why. But if if you
25:20
Speaker 1: take the roster right now and look at there is
25:23
Speaker 1: not a drafted player starting in the second area. Now
25:26
Speaker 1: A J boy A played beyond that, so he it's
25:30
Speaker 1: not fair to call him under after free agent. But
25:32
Speaker 1: the other guys right now you have Eric Winger, Jared Wilson,
25:38
Speaker 1: and again some of this is injury so and some
25:40
Speaker 1: of this is Jalen Ramsey. But right now, on defense,
25:46
Speaker 1: it's not hard to see personnel wise up the interior
25:49
Speaker 1: of the defensive line why they're having trouble stopping the
25:52
Speaker 1: run because guys aren't playing very well. Um, so is
25:57
Speaker 1: it underperforming. I still go back to this team was
26:01
Speaker 1: four and four until the run defense collapsed. I think
26:04
Speaker 1: four and four is about what this team is talent wise. Now.
26:08
Speaker 1: Once the run defense collapsed, I wasn't sure that Marcel
26:12
Speaker 1: Darius was the Jenga piece and he was. But I
26:15
Speaker 1: just don't know if it's if it's underperforming as much
26:18
Speaker 1: as some people think, or at the talent level is
26:21
Speaker 1: as out of this world as we thought it was.
26:23
Speaker 1: You also have to structural deficiencies, right, you have the
26:25
Speaker 1: offensive line that we've enamorated elaborated on and the spine
26:29
Speaker 1: of the defense which you have already gone over the
26:32
Speaker 1: If it was a problem here or a problem there
26:34
Speaker 1: one player here, you know, if it wasn't Marcel Miles
26:37
Speaker 1: and the safeties, right, if it was just Marcel, well
26:40
Speaker 1: maybe you'd be better. You had a structural problem with it. Um.
26:43
Speaker 1: There is talent on the roster more than how do
26:46
Speaker 1: I say this right, more than any of the other
26:48
Speaker 1: bad teams we've seen around here in the last decade um,
26:51
Speaker 1: But in certain places where it has to be, it
26:54
Speaker 1: is not, and that makes it stand out. You're still
26:56
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29:25
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Speaker 1: story for you guys. So after the game on Sunday,
29:35
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29:42
Speaker 1: I want to come up for a picture, but DDS
29:44
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29:49
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30:02
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30:05
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30:16
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30:19
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30:22
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30:23
Speaker 1: it out. Uh, yeah, that's the money where your MoU
30:27
Speaker 1: at this moment. You know, it's a it's a point
30:28
Speaker 1: worth making. He was a guy who came in with
30:31
Speaker 1: a damaged reputation. He slid to the fourth round because
30:34
Speaker 1: of some off the field incidents that happened while he
30:36
Speaker 1: was in high school and at the University of Oklahoma.
30:38
Speaker 1: He has been nothing but a good citizen since he
30:41
Speaker 1: came here, and that that is justice for him that
30:46
Speaker 1: after his reputation self be smirched, right, but after his
30:49
Speaker 1: reputation was in tatters, he has put it back together. Um,
30:53
Speaker 1: that is not something a lot of people do. Some
30:56
Speaker 1: people ignore it entirely and don't care. Good for d. D. Westbrook.
31:00
Speaker 1: He has been a model Jaguar. Yeah, the opposite of
31:02
Speaker 1: a problem, like a lot of people thoughts been all
31:05
Speaker 1: right now to what everyone is talking about on Twitter,
31:09
Speaker 1: Gardner minshew is my cause? My cleats November Man. When
31:16
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31:22
Speaker 1: this does it's and it just fuels the legend of
31:26
Speaker 1: the guy that's his Perry Berry, Jerry Verry Larry, I
31:29
Speaker 1: mean he's he is well. I actually heard the story
31:34
Speaker 1: from Adrill, our community relations manager here with the Jaguars,
31:37
Speaker 1: and Gardner had picked the cause and he said, I
31:40
Speaker 1: want the artist to decide what to put on it all.
31:41
Speaker 1: I want I want to be sure there's a mustache
31:44
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31:46
Speaker 1: artist sends a drill and Gardner what he wants to do,
31:50
Speaker 1: which is put chestnuts on the back of the cleats,
31:53
Speaker 1: and Gardner says, heck, yea, put it on there. Let's
31:56
Speaker 1: do it. Of course he does. It's awesome. It is
32:00
Speaker 1: a static. Yeah. What do you say? And he becomes
32:02
Speaker 1: a star, if he becomes a yeah, you're right. If
32:06
Speaker 1: he becomes a great football player. Wow, we'll remember that moment,
32:10
Speaker 1: that greatest draft pick in Jaguars history because his personality, certainly.
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Speaker 1: top tweets. Carolina Panthers head coach Ron Rivera let go yesterday.
32:23
Speaker 1: Panthers have a better record than the Jaguars right now,
32:26
Speaker 1: and after listening to the press conference this morning and
32:29
Speaker 1: everything going on, it seems like they let him go
32:31
Speaker 1: because they didn't want to look for a new coach
32:34
Speaker 1: behind his back at this moment. What did you guys
32:36
Speaker 1: think of this? Did you watch his press conference? I didn't,
32:39
Speaker 1: but I did. You know again, I'm I'm just not
32:44
Speaker 1: a fire coach mid season guy, but I kind of
32:47
Speaker 1: get if that's why they did it. And I think
32:51
Speaker 1: that was the spirit of when shot let gustco. I
32:55
Speaker 1: think it was sort of the same thing that two
32:57
Speaker 1: or three years ago. So I get it. I'm not
33:00
Speaker 1: sure why you fire on Rivera if you're the panthers, um,
33:05
Speaker 1: but that's I'm not sure why you bring him in
33:07
Speaker 1: on Monday or the next day and say, all right,
33:09
Speaker 1: here's the media. Uh. He walked in and it was
33:12
Speaker 1: weird because he's he immediately attacked, right, and it was, hey,
33:16
Speaker 1: we won, we did something no one else had done here.
33:18
Speaker 1: We won three straight division titles. And he just kept
33:20
Speaker 1: hammering that we did it. No one else says we
33:22
Speaker 1: did it, and stop, stop, come in, be graceful. Right,
33:27
Speaker 1: we get it, you want to coach. He's a guy
33:28
Speaker 1: whose reputation had been uh, he was a dignified man,
33:32
Speaker 1: but that was it seemed kind of petty the way
33:35
Speaker 1: that he was Mmmm, we did this and you wrote that,
33:38
Speaker 1: And I don't think I would have. I would hope
33:40
Speaker 1: that teams don't do that. When Gus left us had
33:45
Speaker 1: his own press conference, you recalled out at Sawgrass, fine,
33:48
Speaker 1: but putting putting him up there and let him beat
33:50
Speaker 1: his chest and show his resume so that he could
33:53
Speaker 1: get another job. It seemed a little bit too much
33:55
Speaker 1: this morning. Yeah, I'm not sure there's ever a good
33:59
Speaker 1: program to follow. Yeah, a graceful way to do it.
34:03
Speaker 1: I'm sure the Panthers wanted to Gus's white was really graceful. Well,
34:07
Speaker 1: I guess for the team's perspective, there's never really a
34:09
Speaker 1: great way to probably not let a guy go. My
34:12
Speaker 1: my senses, the Panthers probably wanted to be as gracious
34:18
Speaker 1: you know, whatever that is, and that separations don't always
34:23
Speaker 1: go well, I'll give you the example. Um, you know
34:26
Speaker 1: there are two if you know, Mr Mrs Weaver, uh, gracious,
34:32
Speaker 1: wonderful people. When they fired Tom after his ninth year here, right,
34:36
Speaker 1: he had the one year before the the team before
34:39
Speaker 1: the season, and then eight seasons coaching, it was, it
34:41
Speaker 1: was it was a bit bitter, you know. I mean
34:43
Speaker 1: Tom left and didn't come back for a long time.
34:46
Speaker 1: When they fired Jack, Jack left was gone. Um. So
34:50
Speaker 1: even with people who liked each other, it's it's a
34:53
Speaker 1: very difficult thing to do. Um. I don't know David
34:57
Speaker 1: Tepper at all. He's got a great reputation. Obviously, he's
34:59
Speaker 1: made billions of dollars. Um. I guess he thought that
35:03
Speaker 1: was the way to let the coach who gave them
35:05
Speaker 1: nine years and as Ron pointed out, seventeen times three
35:09
Speaker 1: division titles. Um, and they went to the Super Bowl.
35:12
Speaker 1: They win it, but they went there. He did a
35:13
Speaker 1: good job for a while there. You know how long
35:16
Speaker 1: vincelam Party was the head coach of the Green Bay
35:18
Speaker 1: Packers nine years? Nine years? The Belichick in approach where
35:23
Speaker 1: he's there twenty years. It will not It will happen
35:27
Speaker 1: again only if someone wins six Super Bowls again. I mean,
35:30
Speaker 1: it just doesn't happen. So UM, I just think you
35:33
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35:35
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35:37
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35:39
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Speaker 1: it's got to be tied. Final thoughts here on Jaguar's
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Speaker 1: drive time Wednesday morning, Duval Motor Company Gardner Minshew will
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Speaker 1: be at the podium this afternoon Wednesday is when the
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Speaker 1: quarterback talks. He is the quarterback will be Gary Harry Larry.
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Speaker 1: Happy that that is back, but this is probably not
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Speaker 1: going to be easy for him because he's going to
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Speaker 1: get questions about folds and how they've handled that this week.
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Speaker 1: It's a lot to ask him to go up there
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Speaker 1: and you know, tell the truth of what's going on
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Speaker 1: right now. I am to be fine on that. He
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Speaker 1: handles it well. He knows how to be player coach
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Speaker 1: speak when it comes to football stuff, and he knows
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Speaker 1: sort of when to be funny. He'll be asked about
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Speaker 1: the cleats thing and he'll he'll he'll throw a one
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Speaker 1: line or two out and that's what people focus on.
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Speaker 1: He's good beyond his years on the podium and he'll
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Speaker 1: be fine on that. Yeah, he's uh, he's he doesn't
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Speaker 1: he doesn't over elaborate, no other words. He'll he'll tell
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Speaker 1: you what he thinks and then he'll move on. And
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Speaker 1: sometimes I'm like, come on, more, there's got to be
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Speaker 1: more to this story. I said it right before he
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Speaker 1: went to the bench. But he reminds me of Ken Stabler,
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Speaker 1: that sort of larger than life personality who's just going
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Speaker 1: to be who he is no matter what anyone thinks.
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Speaker 1: To hell with it, right, He's just going to be him.
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Speaker 1: I like that. And if he can, I hope he
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Speaker 1: can play, because that's not only fun to watch, it's
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Speaker 1: fun to cover, right um. But I just want to
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Speaker 1: remind people we still have to find out whether he
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Speaker 1: can play or not, and people should temper their expectations.
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Speaker 1: A little bit on Sunday. What they really should raise
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Speaker 1: your expectations for the running game, for the receivers and
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Speaker 1: and let them help him out. But if you expect
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Speaker 1: him to put the weight of the world on his
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Speaker 1: shoulders and just deliver a win, those expectations are probably
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Speaker 1: far fetched, but there's nothing that stops the rest of
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Speaker 1: the team from playing better. Well, we will carry that
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