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Meghan Markle, Hollywood Diets, Divorces and RHONJ Drama Continues · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
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  Speaker 1: for it?
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  Speaker 2: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
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  Speaker 2: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
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  Speaker 1: It's Dunaidial. Where? Dunaidial.
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  Speaker 2: There's an accent on the E.
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  Speaker 1: Do you mean... Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
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  Speaker 3: Lift?
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  Speaker 1: Please. Are you going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 1: Dundale Cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else. Hello and
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  Speaker 1: welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 4: I am recording this here at my house in La
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  Speaker 4: Quinta because we just drove back, which is about a
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  Speaker 4: four hour drive. from the Tempe Improv. I just finished
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  Speaker 4: four shows there. I wanna thank every Juicy Scooper, especially
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  Speaker 4: the Patreon people that I got to meet after the show.
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  Speaker 4: I love performing at the Tempe Improv, even though I
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  Speaker 4: fell on my head there, it still is such a
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  Speaker 4: fun club.
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  Speaker 1: And I was so excited to do all my new
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  Speaker 1: material there. And I'm even more.
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  Speaker 4: Excited to go to San Diego this weekend because not
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  Speaker 4: only will I have the fabulous Chris Frangiolo, but I
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  Speaker 4: will have Justin Martindale there. I believe there's maybe like
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  Speaker 4: a hundred or so tickets left.
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  Speaker 1: Please come.
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  Speaker 4: I am so excited for this show and it's a
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  Speaker 4: beautiful venue right there in San Diego.
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  Speaker 1: Everything is at heathermcdonald.net.
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  Speaker 4: And of course that's where you join my Patreon where
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  Speaker 4: all the juiciest scoop is always told. I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: do a bunch of hot topics and then I have
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  Speaker 4: a great interview with a Hollywood legend and you are
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  Speaker 4: going to love it. So first let's just get into
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  Speaker 4: what happened this weekend. I believe really fun, positive, excited,
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  Speaker 4: exciting news for Kourtney Kardashian. She went to her husband's
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  Speaker 4: Blink-82 concert and.
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  Speaker 1: Held up a sign.
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  Speaker 4: The cameras were on her and he was playing drums
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  Speaker 4: and they're like, Travis, look over here. And Courtney, who
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  Speaker 4: had her kids behind her, was holding up a sign, Travis,
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  Speaker 4: I'm pregnant. So he comes down, gives her a kiss.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great moment.
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  Speaker 4: Now people are seeing how pregnant she really is. which
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  Speaker 4: I think is great. I think I wouldn't want to
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  Speaker 4: announce it unless I was really far along too. But
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  Speaker 4: that being said, was Travis truly surprised? I mean, they're
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  Speaker 4: boning every day, making out every day. He didn't notice
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  Speaker 4: their tummy was getting bigger. Of course he knew, but
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  Speaker 4: who cares? Let the girl have her moment. Kim Kardashian
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  Speaker 4: took her whole wedding idea and got a Dolce &
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  Speaker 4: Gabbana campaign copying her 90s Dolce & Gabbana idea.
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  Speaker 1: So Courtney, of course, Courtney was pissed. Let her have
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  Speaker 1: her moment.
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  Speaker 4: Let her have her Beyonce moment. Remember when Beyonce announced
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  Speaker 4: she was pregnant? We still don't know if that was
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  Speaker 4: a real belly or not. People think that was not
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  Speaker 4: a real belly because that was Blue Ivy. And then
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  Speaker 4: there was that interview where she came down and it deflated.
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  Speaker 1: Who cares?
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  Speaker 4: That was a great moment to announce that you're pregnant.
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  Speaker 4: People are, you know, it's all about whether you have
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  Speaker 4: five followers or 50 million followers.
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  Speaker 1: Being pregnant and announcing to.
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  Speaker 4: Your husband, who hopefully is happy to hear it, or boyfriend,
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  Speaker 4: is a great viral moment. Now, his ex, Shanna Mochler,
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  Speaker 4: who has said numerous things, doesn't seem so happy. She said, oh, well,
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  Speaker 4: I've known for weeks. And then she removed that comment
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  Speaker 4: from social media and then said, I'm very happy for them.
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  Speaker 1: So, I'm really happy for her too.
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  Speaker 4: She had mentioned that she had frozen her eggs and
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  Speaker 4: they were trying to, you know, fertilize those eggs. Then
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  Speaker 4: she said, forget it. We're just going to have regular sex.
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  Speaker 4: And you see it a little bit on the show
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  Speaker 4: that they're boning all the time. I don't know how
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  Speaker 4: she got pregnant or not, but she's carrying her baby
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  Speaker 4: with Travis and we're happy for her. She's in her
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  Speaker 4: early forties. So that is great for anybody trying to
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  Speaker 4: have a baby. Also, I remember talking to Courtney back
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  Speaker 4: in the day that when Chris, her mom and Bruce
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  Speaker 4: at the time announced they were pregnant with Kendall. She
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  Speaker 4: and Kim were like totally embarrassed and thought it was
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  Speaker 4: so gross because she was like, I thought it was
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  Speaker 4: gross because my mom was over 40. And I was like, ew,
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  Speaker 4: like you're so old to be having a baby. And
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  Speaker 4: then of course they got pregnant with Kylie too.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Hopefully that they have really good genetics that they can
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  Speaker 4: get pregnant a little bit later. And also the girls
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  Speaker 4: should be aware of that. But whatever the case is,
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  Speaker 4: we're really happy for them.
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  Speaker 1: Surprise or not, who cares? Very, oh, very happy. But
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  Speaker 1: you know what?
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  Speaker 4: Some people wondered if I was happy about this one.
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  Speaker 4: Brody Jenner, who is Caitlyn Jenner's son with Linda Thompson,
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  Speaker 4: who was married to Yolanda Foster's ex, who is David Foster.
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  Speaker 4: And she was also Elvis Presley's ex-girlfriend.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, come on.
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  Speaker 4: The genes are Linda Thompson and Caitlyn Jenner. Brody Jenner,
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  Speaker 4: I think is the best looking guy on earth. Spencer Pratt,
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  Speaker 4: his best friend knows this, but I'm happy for him.
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  Speaker 4: His girlfriend, who is a professional surfer, she's so cute,
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  Speaker 4: is having his baby and they had a baby.
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  Speaker 1: Shower, it appears.
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  Speaker 4: And then he surprised her and asked her to marry him.
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  Speaker 4: So I have to be happy for them since I
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  Speaker 4: too am married. So it was kind of creepy that
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  Speaker 4: I was so into him to begin with. Okay, Jennifer
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  Speaker 4: Aniston has been promoting this stuff called Vital Proteins Collagen Supplement.
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  Speaker 4: And you've seen it, they sell it at Costco and
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  Speaker 4: you're supposed to put it.
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  Speaker 1: In your coffee.
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  Speaker 4: And well, there has been a recall. So nearly 60,000
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  Speaker 4: 24 ounce canisters of this Vital Proteins Collagen Peptide Powders
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  Speaker 4: may contain plastic shards, specifically pieces of broken blue plastic
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  Speaker 4: lid that may have found their way into the collagen powder.
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  Speaker 4: So two weeks after the recall, Aniston even shared an
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  Speaker 4: Instagram video. I guess she didn't know about the recall
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  Speaker 4: because she was still posting her Instagram. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 4: so interesting that like these huge stars that have huge
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  Speaker 4: name brands still have to like do the same type
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  Speaker 4: of Instagrams and TikToks that the rest of us losers
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  Speaker 4: have to do. But there she was going, years ago,
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  Speaker 4: I started using vital proteins regularly. And the opportunity, when
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  Speaker 4: it presented itself, I'm like, I am going to share
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  Speaker 4: my secrets to bouncy skin and soft hair.
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  Speaker 1: And that comes from collagen. And I freaking love it.
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  Speaker 1: It is great. It is good. And there is just, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I take collagen every day, my coffee and I drink
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  Speaker 1: it and I shine.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Courtney coincidentally was also getting collabs with him too,
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  Speaker 4: but for her poosh, whatever. Just be careful if you
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  Speaker 4: have some in your cabinet. Costco said very low risk
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  Speaker 4: to any consumers. Blue shards probably will help with your
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  Speaker 4: fiber and will probably make you go poo, which everybody
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  Speaker 4: wants to poo more. So let's not be critical of
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  Speaker 4: blue shards in your vital collagen.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: A little update on the.
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  Speaker 4: Amazing, the tragic story of the four children that were
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  Speaker 4: found In the Amazon, after 40 days, they were in
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  Speaker 4: a plane crash and the three adults passed, which I
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  Speaker 4: believe one was their mother. And it was like 13,
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  Speaker 4: I think it was 13, 11, nine and a baby.
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  Speaker 1: And they were.
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  Speaker 4: Lived for four days and they're doing okay once they
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  Speaker 4: were found.
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  Speaker 1: This is insane. the saddest part of the story.
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  Speaker 4: The reason they were on the flight in the first
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  Speaker 4: place is because reportedly their mother was rushing to go
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  Speaker 4: see her cheating husband. She was like, ah, your dad
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  Speaker 4: is a cheating motherfucker.
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  Speaker 1: Get in the plane.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to go and confront him. And then they
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  Speaker 4: got in that plane crash. So now the hope is
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  Speaker 4: that these kids stay together. Her family doesn't want him
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  Speaker 4: to have the kids.
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  Speaker 1: However, he is the father and, um, It wasn't.
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  Speaker 4: A cheating situation, but this kind of reminds me of Elion,
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  Speaker 4: the famous story of Elion.
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  Speaker 1: I've talked about it throughout the podcast.
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  Speaker 4: This woman left her husband and took her five-year-old son
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  Speaker 4: to go on a boat to get to America from Cuba.
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  Speaker 1: And something happened with the boat.
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  Speaker 4: And everybody died, except they found him in a little
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  Speaker 4: tube and he was five. And then America wanted to
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  Speaker 4: keep him here safe in democracy. But in the end,
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  Speaker 4: he went back to his dad to Cuba. And it
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  Speaker 4: was a big thing because the dad is the dad
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  Speaker 4: is the dad.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, very interesting story. Look it up. It's Juicy Scoop,
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  Speaker 1: American history.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Meghan Markle and Prince Harry, their Spotify deal is no longer.
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  Speaker 4: This I've heard between, it was either between 20 and
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  Speaker 4: $ 25 million and It was a two-year deal because first
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  Speaker 4: I was like, wait, how long was this deal?
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  Speaker 1: Because it's now ended.
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  Speaker 4: They said, oh, we've mutually ended it. Oh, but we're
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  Speaker 4: so proud of what we put together. You know, that
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  Speaker 4: was what the statement was. But now that I've read
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  Speaker 4: that they've been doing this for two and a half years,
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  Speaker 4: that I think they did get the full 20, 25 million,
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  Speaker 4: and it just wasn't renewed. They also still have, so
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  Speaker 4: don't be sad for them, they still have their five-year
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  Speaker 4: deal with Netflix estimated to be worth.
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  Speaker 1: Around 100 million. Now, I don't know the deal of that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if.
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  Speaker 4: If after two or three years, Netflix has the deal
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  Speaker 4: to has the right to stop that deal and they
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  Speaker 4: only get 20 million a year and they only walk
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  Speaker 4: away with 60. I don't know, but they, you know,
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  Speaker 4: are going to be fine, at least for a little while. However,
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  Speaker 4: as someone who's been doing podcasting, it'll be eight years
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  Speaker 4: this July 4th.
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  Speaker 1: Myself, Juicy Scoop. I'm at how many episodes, Drake? Six, seven,
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  Speaker 1: seven fifty six. So they.
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  Speaker 4: So Harry and Meghan, and this was her Archwell podcast,
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  Speaker 4: which of course won awards.
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  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't it?
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  Speaker 4: She did 13 episodes over two and a half years.
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  Speaker 1: 13 episodes.
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  Speaker 4: And it was also alleged, possibly proven, that she didn't
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  Speaker 4: even interview some of the people that she did.
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  Speaker 1: Like someone would interview.
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  Speaker 4: them and then she would do like the top and
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  Speaker 4: the bottom or just record a little.
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  Speaker 1: Bit and it was very written out and it was very.
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  Speaker 4: Um well when i was a girl from let's what
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  Speaker 4: was the thing with the let's make a deal where
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  Speaker 4: she opened.
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  Speaker 1: The uh prices right no wait no it's uh uh
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  Speaker 1: deal or no deal Deal or no deal.
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  Speaker 4: I enjoyed the job of deal or no deal. But
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  Speaker 4: as I stood there with my false eyelashes, my spray tan,
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  Speaker 4: and walking out where someone would say, suck it in, Michael.
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  Speaker 4: She couldn't pronounce my last name. I realized I'm grateful
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  Speaker 4: for the job. But the job didn't make.
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  Speaker 1: Me feel smart. You're opening.
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  Speaker 4: A case, you're opening a case with money in it
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  Speaker 4: in a cute dress. Like, why are you mad that
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  Speaker 4: once in a while, TV requires people to be pretty, okay?
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  Speaker 4: And pretty people get jobs sometimes where their brain doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 4: I am halfway decent looking. Sometimes I got to do
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  Speaker 4: stuff because I was cute. I realized I wasn't cute enough,
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  Speaker 4: which is why I'm a comedian. However, I also know
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  Speaker 4: I'm never going to be an astronaut, okay?
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  Speaker 1: I can barely.
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  Speaker 4: work an iPhone. So, you know, know your limits. Anyway,
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  Speaker 4: she did the show. They did 13 hours of programming
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  Speaker 4: over two and a half years. I just want to
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  Speaker 4: tell you guys, I do two shows a week. And
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  Speaker 4: that means 104 approximately a year. Okay, I can do
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  Speaker 4: the math. That's 208 in two years, plus another half
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  Speaker 4: a year.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I did.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Spotify, whatever, just letting you know what you get.
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  Speaker 1: This is a bargain. price right here.
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  Speaker 4: And of course, some people that are really good at podcasting, um,
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  Speaker 4: Spotify has made some great deals, obviously with some people
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  Speaker 4: that are producing and worth every penny.
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe they were two of them.
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  Speaker 4: And this guy, Bill Simmons, who is part of, um, Spotify,
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  Speaker 4: he went off on them and he was like, they
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  Speaker 4: are grifters.
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  Speaker 1: He said, I can't stand him. Meaning Harry I am
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  Speaker 1: so tired.
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  Speaker 4: I'm so, so embarrassed that I have to fucking have
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  Speaker 4: to share Spotify with him.
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  Speaker 1: The guy sucks. Everyone. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Then he said, um, He also said, oh, I can't
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  Speaker 4: wait to tell you about the story of when I
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  Speaker 4: had to get on a Zoom with him and help
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  Speaker 4: him brainstorm a story that Harry could tell, which is
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  Speaker 4: what I've said. Like, I don't think they're great storytellers.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think they're funny. They take themselves way too seriously.
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  Speaker 4: They're not relatable. And the only juicy stories I have
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  Speaker 4: is about the royals and that some of the royals were.
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  Speaker 1: Shitty to them. And even those stories, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: are that juicy anymore. So I don't know what they're
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  Speaker 1: going to do.
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  Speaker 4: But according to this report, they said Dior might want
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  Speaker 4: to make her the new face of Dior.
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  Speaker 1: Who knows? I wouldn't if I was Dior. I think
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  Speaker 1: they've lost popularity.
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  Speaker 4: Even there's reports that Oprah has kind of been like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: you got some stink on you. What happens in Hollywood
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  Speaker 4: is sometimes people are all friends with someone because they're
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  Speaker 4: the cool person to be friends with.
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  Speaker 1: And then.
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  Speaker 4: they get some stink on them. Right now, Meghan and
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  Speaker 4: Harry have some stink on themselves. And guess who's not
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  Speaker 4: coming around to have.
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  Speaker 1: Some bread and some croissants? But Oprah.
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  Speaker 4: She has not been seen trotting over to their house
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  Speaker 4: with some amazing marmalade that she made off her trees
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  Speaker 4: to share with Meghan Markle and the two little kids
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  Speaker 4: and the rescue chickens in the yard.
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  Speaker 1: So who knows? But then there was a photo of her.
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  Speaker 4: They're like, Here's Meghan Markle walking across the street, smiling
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  Speaker 4: after she lost her Spotify deal. And I'm like, look,
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  Speaker 4: of course she's going to live her life and she
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  Speaker 4: doesn't care.
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  Speaker 1: This is the thing.
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  Speaker 4: People don't realize how hard coming up with this much
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  Speaker 4: content is. And her shit was boring and people weren't
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  Speaker 4: listening whether she won an award or not.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone has podcasts. Every celebrity has a podcast.
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  Speaker 4: So if you're just depending on interviewing celebrities, there's not
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  Speaker 4: that many interesting stories to be told that we haven't
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  Speaker 4: already heard.
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  Speaker 1: You got to be like me.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: That can come out with shit all the time, no
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  Speaker 4: matter what the hell is going on in my life
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  Speaker 4: and what the hell is going on in the world.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm going to brag a little bit because
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  Speaker 1: it's my birthday week. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So as you know, Lisa Marie Presley died tragically, um,
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  Speaker 4: very surprisingly a while ago, a few months ago and
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  Speaker 4: her daughter Riley, she has a daughter named Riley, who
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  Speaker 4: I believe is like maybe around 30.
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  Speaker 1: She's an actor.
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  Speaker 4: She was in a great show called girlfriend experiences where
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  Speaker 4: you're looking for something juicy. I'm sure you can find
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  Speaker 4: a place to stream it, look it up. Anyway, when
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  Speaker 4: her mom died, Priscilla Presley, who is her grandmother, was
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  Speaker 4: fighting the estate. The money was supposed to go to
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  Speaker 4: Riley and they were fighting, which was very disturbing that
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  Speaker 4: the granddaughter and the grandmother were fighting over this Elvis
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  Speaker 4: estate money that was left to her mother, Lisa Marie,
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  Speaker 4: but also Priscilla's like, yeah, that was my daughter, Lisa Marie.
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  Speaker 4: So it was kind of a juicy, sad situation, but
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  Speaker 4: they have settled, which is very good. And they both
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  Speaker 4: come out saying we are happy and Riley is to
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  Speaker 4: pay 400,000 in legal fees to her grandmother, Priscilla, plus
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  Speaker 4: $ 1 million.
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  Speaker 1: And then they're good.
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  Speaker 4: And then Riley would be in charge of the trust,
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  Speaker 4: which eventually I guess will be shared with, um, her
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  Speaker 4: half siblings who are the twins who are only 14
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  Speaker 4: years old. And Riley will be the legal guardian of
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  Speaker 4: the twins as well. So I think that's definitely what
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  Speaker 4: Lisa Marie would want. And it's very nice that now
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  Speaker 4: they have their grandmother's support.
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  Speaker 1: So that is all, um, settled.
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  Speaker 4: So in the Alec Baldwin case, right now, the prosecutors
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  Speaker 4: who are trying to prosecute the armorer who loaded the gun,
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  Speaker 4: her name is Gutierrez Reed. They are saying that she
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  Speaker 4: was likely hung over from alcohol and marijuana when she
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  Speaker 4: loaded the bullet that Alex used the gun for and
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  Speaker 4: that killed the victim. So despite her plea of dropping
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  Speaker 4: the manslaughter charge that was done for Alec Baldwin, prosecutors
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  Speaker 4: insist that her that she is culpable.
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  Speaker 1: It's due to the hangover.
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  Speaker 4: They also thought that in the past, she has had
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  Speaker 4: reckless behavior. And people said one time she gave keys
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: to somebody who was intoxicated and that person then had
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: a car accident, which is very bizarre to use in
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: this case. I would think they'd have to have some
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: stronger evidence that maybe people were like, we were partying
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: with her the night before. I'm guessing they have something
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: like that, like a witness that's going to be like,
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: I saw her drinking the night before, or I know
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: that she smokes pot regularly or something. But so she
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: is facing charges. And also they say possible charges against
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: Baldwin are still not completely ruled out. So there might
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: be a lower charge still done. Let's get into some
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: Real Housewives news scoop.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Okay. So I thought the Real Housewives of.
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: New York that are in St. Barts this week were
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: making $ 100, 000 for the week. No, it has been revealed
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: they are making $ 250, 000 for the week each, or at
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: least the top people are. However, so that comes down
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: to like $ 27, 000 a day to party in St.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Barts.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: And As you know, they brought back Kristen Takeman, who
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: was the pop of color girl.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: And it kind of came out of nowhere. Of course,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: we have Ramona, Luann, Sonya, and Dorinda. Those are like
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: the legends. We brought back Kelly Bessamone, and then we
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: have Kristen Takeman. And I, a lot of people thought
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: that was strange. I didn't.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: Cause when I had Ramona on my show, I asked her,
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: was there anyone that you never got that you didn't
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: get along with?
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: And she goes, you know what? Actually, you know what?
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: Kristin Takeman, I thought she was a little boring. I
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: really didn't get her. I didn't understand why she was
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: on the show. And then lo and behold, after two
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: weeks of, of my episode being out, Kristin Takeman gets hired.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Now someone could come forward and go, no, she was
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: in negotiations before your episode.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: I'd like to think that Bravo is listening to my
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: show and I'm giving them great ideas. So hopefully they're
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: having a great week and we get to see some fun. Meanwhile,
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: I think it's kind of interesting that Bethany Frankel is
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: still doing all her TikToks of going to a dollar
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: store and having an orgasm over finding like, you know,
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: red vines that are delicious or a lip gloss for $ 2.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: And then being like, this is next level. It's elite.
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: It's elite.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: Hey, talk to me. I'm not getting paid to do this,
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: but I will. Come on, let's partner up. I could
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: sell you this shit off my belly button that's so delicious.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: So I just think, remember she said, I had all
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: these TV opportunities, all these TV shows.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: And I said, no, no, I don't want it.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: I want to tell the world what great lip gloss
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: is for $ 2 at the dollar store, even though it's
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: a dollar store and it's $ 2. And I want to,
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: you know, just do my YouTube, which is look at
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: me now.
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I agree. It's such a better way to go. Um, okay.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: A little bit, little update, even though the real housewives
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: of New Jersey, we had the third reunion. People are
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: really feeling weird about all the accusations about Bo Dietl,
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: who is a former real detective with the police force
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: who now is, according to Louis, the number one private
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: investigator in the world. Louis said on camera that he
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: got Bo Needle to investigate every single person on the cast.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: He said it twice on camera. Then he said, I
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: was just talking out my ass because I was pissed.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Then they go on the reunion and this guy, John Fuda, said,
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: I know that you found out where my ex-wife was
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: what prison she was at so that she would give
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: scoop to bloggers to her myself and my wife. He said,
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: that's not true. I think you're, and then he went over,
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: I think you're a great mom. And he's like, don't
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: fuck with me. I don't want anything to do with you.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: I know what you did. So the woman who is
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: the birth mom of his kid, who now the real
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: housewife has adopted named Rachel. She made a statement saying,
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Louie never contacted me in prison. I believe Louie never
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: contacted in prison, but did somebody who worked for Bo Dietl,
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: just like somebody allegedly who worked for Bo Dietl went
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: to Louie's ex-wife who was a therapist. And that's what
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: she's claiming, this woman, Vanessa, that he hired someone who
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: worked for Bo Dietl to come act as a patient
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: and and get information.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: It's all very bizarre.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: It all sounds very far-fetched, except there's a lot of,
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: you know, evidence that kind of says, I think this
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: went down.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: The Bo Dietl saying, no, I didn't. Yes, I did. No,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Not saying what I did. It's so much to follow. Anyway,
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: of course, that woman is saying, I never talked to
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: Louie on the phone. We're not saying you talk to
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Louie on the phone.
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: But I would, I do think it's very difficult to
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: find out the information of someone in prison and how
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: to get a hold of them. It takes a lot,
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: a lot, a lot of steps. You know where it
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: doesn't take a lot of steps? If you're a former detective,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: then it's a lot of easy steps and not too
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: many steps. So allegedly that's what they're claiming.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: And the other side is claiming the other.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: She says, I'm going to get out in September and
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: I would like to, I'm going to talk to a
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: lawyer for, and to try to get custody back. Well,
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: the stepmother already adopted him and he's 16 years old.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: So I hope that you were able to forge a
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: relationship with your biological son. I'm sure that if you're well,
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: they'd be happy with it. But I don't think that
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: should be, I don't think this 16 year old is
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: going to be like, yeah, I haven't talked to you
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: in years. I'm going to like, please just let the
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: kid finish his.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: High school and go to college and like not complicate things.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: But this is not looking good for Louie.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Louie and Teresa were at some great event in Tampa, posting,
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: having the time of their lives, dancing and having fun.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: there is a account called Your Moms Are Watching. That
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: woman allegedly is the one who found out, if you're
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: aware of this, that there was this whole smear campaign
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: against Margaret orchestrated by people that Louie hired to screw up.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Her huge Walmart deal.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: This woman, Your Moms Is Watching, let Margaret know and
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: then Margaret let Bravo know and there was police reports
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: written and Your Moms Is Watching did an affidavit to
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: the fact that she knew the people that were hired
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: to do the smear campaign and the communication was there.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: When all that came out and when they were able
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: to stop it and save, I assume save Margaret's deal,
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Margaret then sent a gift card to Your Moms Is
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: Watching for $ 500 in which that woman allegedly bought a
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: pair of sunglasses and was like, great. After the Tampa
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: night of dancing around, your moms is watching, shared a
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: DM on social media from Louie saying you really could
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: do better with your life than wearing those sunglasses that
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: were a bribe from that pig, meaning Margaret. I mean,
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: this is obviously a DM he wrote. It's weird that
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: after a fun night, you're sending this to this woman
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: at 1015 at night.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: It's just not looking good.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: I don't know if this woman is scared now that
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: she's being threatened by Louis, but it's all just giving
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: everybody an ick factor. This is so New Jersey.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: It's like.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: In some ways, it's like this is so New Jersey
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: that people know private detectives and threats.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: And all of yous better watch out.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: But on another hand, it's like really making the viewers
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: feel weird and uncomfortable. And how deep does this go?
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: And people are worried for Teresa. Other people are like,
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: stop it. They're happy and in love. Leave them alone.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: All this is all just lies to make them look bad.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: It's a lot to take and a lot of people
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: are talking about it. So we'll see.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: They still have yet to say when they're going to
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: start filming or who in fact is coming back.
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• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: filed against me.
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: what would you do if it was given back?
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: Where did that need come from, where you thought that
• 25:15
  Speaker 8: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: He said, I have a work dad. I need a
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: home dad.
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: What happens next?
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: When I came in, he started crying.
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: happens next.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: every day was. You're worth the work.
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: Um, meaning along with more divorce stuff, the Corey and
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: Kim thing of Atlanta is horrible.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: They are continuing to live in the house.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: His $ 400, 000 Rolls Royce in which she was making payments for,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: I guess it was coming out of her account. It
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: has been, um, what do you call it? Taken back
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: because he wasn't paying the, um, the 5,000 a month
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: for it anymore.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: So that has been, uh, repossessed.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: And his lawyer continues to say, yeah, this is what
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: happens when you overspend because Kroy's strongest argument is that
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: he has evidence that she spent.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: One month, $ 127, 000 gambling.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: We have video of when they had the show together
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: of the two older girls talking about how much she
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: gambles and how much she loves to gamble. So we
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: know that that is a part of her personality. That's
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: something she does. Both the older girls wished Kroy, their stepfather,
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: a happy Father's Day.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: And so....
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: But they're all living under the same roof while they
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: work out this divorce. There are still some people that
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: think this is bullshit.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: I disagree. Some people think this.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Is bullshit and they're trying to sell everything they can
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: because eventually they're going to have to file for bankruptcy
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: and it's better to sell it before that. I don't know.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: I just I definitely think that they have grown to
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: hate each other.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: A lot.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: And there is no way that they're getting back together
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: when they've accused each other of not being good parents.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: She says he smokes pot and she wants a part
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: of his hair to test him. He says she drinks
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: and gambles. So once you get to that place where
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: you're accusing each other of not being a good parent,
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: I don't believe that you can ever come back together. Meanwhile,
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: Kevin Costner says my wife and the kids need to
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: get the hell out of my house. They've been married
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: for like 17 or 18 years. They have three preteen
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: to teenage kids. But he said after his last divorce,
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: he made sure he had a prenup that said if
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: he ever broke up with this wife, who is named Christine, that...
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: she would have to leave the house. The same thing
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: is what Lisa and Lenny of Miami said. Lenny said,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: our prenup says, if we ever break up, you are
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: to leave the marital premises.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: She is staying put.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: She just threw a birthday for her daughter turning four
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: and she had thousands of dollars of black and gold
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: balloons up a staircase, which I have never hired a
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: balloon person. I like the look of it. I'm sure
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: it's a very hard job to do if you're a
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: balloon person. It seems like an enormous amount of money
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: and I don't know what the hell you do with
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: those balloons after, but I guess pop them, which would
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: be very annoying.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Anyway, getting back to this.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: So he's saying she's got to get out of the
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: house too. She is saying, no, this is a request
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: for order. And it seeks to kick out Christine and
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: their three children out of the house that the children
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: have lived in their entire lives.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: That's what her attorney is saying. And he, Christine has.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: Taken the position that she will not move out of
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Kevin's separate property residence until he agrees to various demands.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: So she's being smart. She's like, I'll move out.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: I just want to make sure I have all this
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: money to buy an equally fabulous house that I'm even
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: more excited about than the one I'm currently living in
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: with you since we've been married for 17 years. I
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: don't care what the prenup was 17 years ago. That's
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: before I had three kids and dealt with your crotchety
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: Yellowstone ass for 17 years. Meanwhile, Dean of Torrey and
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Dean made a statement on his Instagram that even though
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: we've heard that Torrey and Dean with their five kids
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: have We know he cheated. We saw it on their
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: previous reality show. Then they've been together. Then they haven't
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: been seen. We see her walking out about two years
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: ago with legal papers that just happened to have the
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: first page custody alimony.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: And they just happened to zoom in. I thought that
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: was set up. I love you, Tori. That was set up.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know if this is a publicity ploy as well,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: but he wrote on his Instagram.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: It's with great sadness and very, very heavy heart that
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: after 18 years together and five amazing children, Tori Spelling
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: and I have decided to go our separate.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Ways and start a new journey on our own.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: Then he took it down. Sources are saying, no, they
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: just had a wicked fight and they're better than ever.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Who? I don't know.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: I don't think they're doing great, but, um, It was
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: kind of funny because the photo that they showed on TMZ,
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: it's Tory and then him with like the X, you know,
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: going around it. And the best comment there was, I
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: thought this was Khloe Kardashian and Arnold Schwarzenegger. And I
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: swear to God, they really do kind of look like that.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: But hey, no one wants you to break up, but
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: I don't know what the point was that. But the
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: fact that he did that, it's with a heavy heart,
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: which is what everybody does. So it was least coherent
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: enough to write what you're supposed to write when you're
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: a star and getting divorced. All right, you guys, now
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: I'm really excited for you to listen to Nikki Haskell.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: She's a legend in Hollywood, Studio 54, Billboard. She knows everybody.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: She's been everywhere.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: And this is a real fun Juicy Scoop history interview
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: for you.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Please welcome Nikki Haskell. Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 4: I have a very exciting interview for you. A legend,
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  Speaker 4: an icon from the East Coast to Hollywood's hottest billboards
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  Speaker 4: on Sunset.
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  Speaker 1: Nikki Haskell, welcome to Juicy Scoop.
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: Great to be here. Great to be with you. You
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: know what a fan I am.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: So I met you through one of many Josh Flags parties.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: One of the best one was going to his party
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: that he themed Nikki Beach.
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: Yes, my birthday.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Which was for your 80th birthday. The best.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: And that's actually, he did such a great job at
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: the toasts and everything. And a compilation video of your
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: life is where I got to really know the story
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: of your life that you began as one of the
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: few female stockbrokers in New York City and ended up
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: falling into doing a talk show out of Studio 54
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: that was kind of like, was that sort of like a,
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: it was like a cable show or what would you
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: call it?
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: It was a cable. Yeah, it was cable.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: When I started, so I was a stockbroker for 10 years.
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: I worked for Drexel Burnham. And when I quit being
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: a stockbroker, I was sort of like out of work.
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: I was like underqualified, overqualified. I really wasn't qualified to
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: do anything. even though I was making like $ 350, 000 a
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: year as a stockbroker. And Prince Egon von Furstenberg came
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: to me and said, I'm doing this television show called
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: Egon von Furstenberg Live in New York. Would you like
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: to be my co-host? He said, it's on cable. I said,
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: don't say anything. Because people go cable, they go like, ooh.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Back then, right.
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: Because cable was originally implemented throughout the United States so
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: people could get reception. It's hard to believe that between before,
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: so the show went on there in 79. Prior to that,
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: nobody got any reception out of New York. So they
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: laid these cables, you know, the Bible Belt all through
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: the South and everything. And they started broadcasting. And I
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: was on Manhattan cable. And there was a porno show
• 33:12
  Speaker 7: before me and a porno show after me. So I
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: was before sports and after porno. So then Agon decided
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: he didn't want to do the show. And because they
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: wanted to shoot it in a studio and I wanted
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: to shoot it on location. So they made it my show.
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: So then Egon came on as my host and I
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: had arranged for Pan Am to be my sponsor. So
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: we got to travel all over the world. They give
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: me stacks of free tickets. You want to go to Paris?
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: Let's go for lunch. We'd get on the plane, go
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: wherever we wanted.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: And this whole time that you're having all this fun,
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: you are a single woman. Are you dating? Are you
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: serious about anybody? What's your romantic history?
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: My romanticism, I was married and divorced twice to the
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: same person.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: What happened there?
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: Well, I married him for the wrong reasons. You know,
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: I was from the generation that you graduated school and
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: got married. And so all my girlfriends were married and
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: my mother was giving me like, you're going to end
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: up as an old maid and nobody's going to want
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: to be with you. And you're already 21 years old
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: and you're not married. So she talked me into marrying
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: somebody that I really didn't like. But once I was married,
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: I really sort of enjoyed being married until I caught
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: my husband cheating on me.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Who did he cheat with?
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: Everyone, it seems like. One night somebody called me. I
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: was at the Luau, which was on Rodeo Drive. They said,
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: you know, your husband's sitting at the table with a girl.
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: So I got in my Jaguar, drove over to the restaurant,
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: took the whole table. First I double slapped her in
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: the face. I turned over the whole table.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, before Teresa ever did it, you were flipping tables?
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: Oh, honey, I flipped her right over and then I
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: walked out. And then he convinced me to go back
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: with him again. And then I caught him cheating on
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: me again. So I got in the car. I took
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: the shotgun, and I drove.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Over to this— You had a shotgun in New York?
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: No, I was living in Beverly Hills. I'm from Beverly Hills.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, but still, you had a shotgun in Beverly Hills?
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we used to go skeet and trap shooting. All right. Actually,
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: I'm a marksman.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: I hold championships in handgun shooting. So watch out.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: Good for you.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: Okay. And in those days, those were NRA events. They
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: were the Charlton Heston celebrity skeet and trap shooting and everything.
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: I learned how to shoot as a young girl, so
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: watch out.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you're in Beverly Hills. You grab the gun,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: and where is he in the next hussy? He's with
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: this girl.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: And it was like right off of Sunset. I waited
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: there for about 20 minutes. I thought, you know, this
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: is too boring for words. I filed for divorce, and
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: that was the end of that.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I have a weird question. Now, what year was that?
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: So I was divorced twice by 1965.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: What were people using for birth control back then? Because
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I'm always like, how were people, like, screwing a bunch
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: of people and not getting pregnant?
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: They had condoms in those days. I mean, this is
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: not the dim, dark ages. Okay, so a condom.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Was good enough.
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: Well, I guess so.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Because the pill wasn't around yet, or was it?
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: No, the pill was around, actually.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right.
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: And diaphragms were around. I mean, I'm born, I'm old,
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: but I'm not that old.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I just didn't know.
• 36:08
  Speaker 7: I mean, the Flintstones had, you used a diaphragm. Give
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: me a break here.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: I just didn't know when you could just freely, like,
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: bone so much and it not be a problem.
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: I was never promiscuous. Actually, I didn't sleep with as
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: many great people as I should have.
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah, me too.
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: Clive Davis said to me that I should write a
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: book naming all the famous people that I slept with.
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: So I said, it's more like a pamphlet.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: I missed the opportunity with a lot of big names.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Who were some people you missed the opportunity with?
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: Well, with Warren Beatty, because they used to call me
• 36:39
  Speaker 7: and say, come on over and get in bed with
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: us and everything. Of course, I was like, what?
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, with a threesome?
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: When he was married to who?
• 36:45
  Speaker 7: No, no, honey, this is like in the dim, dark ages.
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: We're talking about in the 60s.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, before net bedding.
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: Way before Annette Bening. Okay. A lot of guys. I mean,
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: I didn't sleep with George Hamilton. But, you know, I'm
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: friendly with all of them now. It's probably a good
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: thing I didn't sleep with them.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: I was never promiscuous. And then what happened was, so
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: after I got divorced and I was a stockbroker, so
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: when I was a stockbroker, there were, like, a lot
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: of really cool guys around. Actually, there were great guys then.
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: And then when I started the television show and everything
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: was coming from Studio 54 and everything was gay... When
• 37:20
  Speaker 7: I should have been in the Hamptons looking for a husband,
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: I was dancing with the drag queens in Fire Island.
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: So I missed my window of opportunity.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: So being that you were one of, you know, now
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, we all have gay best friends.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: But in your day, that was more of a rare
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: situation that you were hanging out with all the gays.
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: I didn't have any gay friends until Studio 54 right
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: around that time opened. And then everybody was gay.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Did you see Drew Barrymore at nine years old partying
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: at Studio 54? I love Drew.
• 37:52
  Speaker 7: I've known Drew since she was a baby.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Well, I know she was at Studio 54 when she
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: was nine.
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: That's the time I say start them young. Brooke Shields
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: was there when she was young. You've got to go
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: to nightclubs when you're young. What are you going to
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: wait until you're 80? I went to nightclubs when I
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: was six years old. My parents took me to nightclubs
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: all the time in Chicago. I used to be the chaperone.
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: My first nightclub act that I saw was Carmen Moran
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: and Jimmy Durante.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: Well, how do you feel about, you know, there was
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: some talk, did Kim Kardashian's daughter, North, who's only, I believe,
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: like 10, they thought she went to the Met Ball.
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I hope so. Why not? I say seize the moment.
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: Start them young.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: I started when I was six years old going to nightclubs.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: And here I am.
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: I'm still going to nightclubs.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Now, what about all the crazy drugs and everything? What
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: was your experience with that?
• 38:44
  Speaker 7: I never did any drugs. I was having this conversation yesterday.
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: I can't believe that I never did any drugs. When
• 38:50
  Speaker 7: I was very young, I had a friend of mine
• 38:52
  Speaker 7: that committed suicide because he was addicted to cocaine. I
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: never even heard of cocaine. And it blew me away
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: to the point that I never, ever, ever tried it.
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: There's a very famous picture of me. I'm standing on
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: the dance floor of Studio 54 like this. And the
• 39:06
  Speaker 7: caption reads, I never saw anybody doing drugs at Studio 54.
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: And there's two guys with Coke spoons in their nose
• 39:12
  Speaker 7: right under my arm. I was oblivious to it. I
• 39:15
  Speaker 7: went to dance and have a good time. I never
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: did drugs.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Speaking of cocaine, I've never done cocaine either.
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: Neither have I. And I don't think I missed anything.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: And I kind of had the same experience as you.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: It's like when I was growing up, there were all
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: these movies in the 80s about– And cocaine would almost— there was, like,
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: cocaine-themed movies. The main character was cocaine and how glamorous
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: it was and nightclubs.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: And then by the third act— What movies were that? Oh, God.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: Less Than Zero, Bright Lights, Big City.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: There were tons. And I loved them because it was
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: always rich and glamorous people.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: Even Wall Street had, like, a cocaine storyline.
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: And then by the third act of the movie, you know,
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: the person's life is awful because they did cocaine.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: And so I thought, you know— anything that's going to
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: make me curb my appetite and want to talk about
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: myself all night is going to be the drug for me.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: So I better know it's going to be the drug
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: for me. So I was like, I better never try
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: it because pot didn't interest me. But I'm like that cocaine,
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: that's like glamorous and sexy. And, but one thing I've
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: also noticed throughout my life, the same reason you said
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: I never saw him do drugs throughout my life because
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: cocaine has made it come back and stuff.
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: I didn't know it ever went away.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: I think it kind of was a little bit less
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: popular and it became popular again, like maybe like seven,
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: eight years ago where all people my age, now their
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: kids were a little older and they were starting to
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: have the freedom to go out again. And I was
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: hearing that Coke was making a comeback. And I think
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: that if you don't participate in the Coke, the people
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: that might be your friend know that. And they're like
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: a little bit shameful about it. And so even though
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: you're like, I wouldn't judge you.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I don't care. Do a line in front of me.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I don't want it, but I don't care. It doesn't matter.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: They won't.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: They will not show them doing it in front of
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: you if you're not a user. And so that's why
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: I've never I've literally never seen anyone that I've gone
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: out with do it. And I know that they do it.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: If there was something where you could go back in time.
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: But you're just yourself. You know everything from today. Is
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: there a time that you're like, you know what? I
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: would like to go back to that era. I liked
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: the fashion. I thought the world was a better.
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: The 80s.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: The 80s was your favorite.
• 41:32
  Speaker 7: Well, the 80s was the last age of innocence. You know,
• 41:35
  Speaker 7: they had the greatest artists, you know, Andy, all these famous, Basquiat,
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: all these artists. They had these famous singers. Everything, fashion
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: was extraordinary. Now there's nothing. There's a beret of, like,
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: There's no famous artists anymore. They're all left over, not
• 41:55
  Speaker 7: left over, but they're all part of the 80s. Those
• 41:59
  Speaker 7: are the stars of the day. We have no new stars.
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: The singing, there's no great singers out there now. There's
• 42:04
  Speaker 7: no Frank Sinatra. There's no great female vocalists or male vocalists.
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: There's not even any groups anymore. There's nothing. People are
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: out there. It's such a horrible time. And, you know,
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: music has always moved the generations. Like after World War I,
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: it was the Jitterbug, it was the Charleston. There's always
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: music and dance that motivates each generation. There's nothing now.
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: There's no clubs to go to. There's no place to go.
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: People are looking at each other. Should we go out?
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: Where are we going to go? Well, you know, I
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: don't want to go there. And there has to be
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: a resurgence of an energy for the younger population because
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: there's nothing for them to do.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Speaking of music in the 80s, Do you think Michael
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: Jackson was a pedophile?
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: First of all, Michael Jackson was a friend of mine.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: I'm just asking. Yes, I do think he was a pedophile,
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: you know. Actually, unfortunately, I saw it very early on
• 43:03
  Speaker 7: when I gave the party at Studio 54, and he
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: came with Manuel Lewis.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: Manuel Lewis.
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: Webster.
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: Yep. Bouncing him on his leg, you know. It was
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: very obvious. It was, you know— And then I'll tell
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: you a really terrible story.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: He came to a party. This was maybe six months
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: before the shit hit the fan.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Which time?
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: It hit the fan twice. I know, but the last time.
• 43:29
  Speaker 7: And he had all these kids with him. So he
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: wasn't a father yet? Of course he was a father.
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: The kids were with him.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, those were the kids with him. Okay, his own kids.
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: No, his own kids weren't with him, but he had
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: a bunch of kids, a bunch of young kids with him.
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: All right. There was this kid sitting on his lap,
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: had a little suit on, a little hat, you know.
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: And there was a woman sitting over on the side.
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: I said, who are you? She goes, oh, I'm the mother.
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: I'm his mother, this little kid's mother. And she was
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: with her daughter. I said, and where do you live?
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: She said, I live at Netherland. I said, you live
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: at Netherland. So I went up to my friend, who
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: was very close. I said, be careful of this woman.
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: There's going to be a problem. And three months later,
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: this kid was the one who came in and The
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: mother was, well, it was a very slippery slope.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Well, I think— And I'm friendly. But, I mean, do
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: you think two things can be true at the same time? Yes,
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: she probably was somewhat aware, almost pimping at her son. Yeah.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: And yes, the son most likely was a victim as well. Absolutely.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: Oh, absolutely. I mean, I— and, you know, it was interesting
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: because when the play opened, you know, when— MJ opened
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: on Broadway.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: I have a lot of friends that put money into Broadway.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: And then that movie came out, Leaving Neverland, right before
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: the play was going to come out.
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: Right, right before that. So when I went opening night,
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: there were a lot of people saying, why are you
• 44:58
  Speaker 7: going to a play for a pedophile and everything like that?
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: And actually, Paris was there, Paris Jackson. And she was
• 45:05
  Speaker 7: in tears, you know, in tears when she saw... The protest.
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: The protest was there, okay. And after the play... because
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: they really don't touch on that at all in the play.
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: You know, they're, you know, little nuances, but they stop
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: before that happened. And I thought to myself, wow, I
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: don't know how, how is this going to be received?
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: Huge hit. His music will live forever.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: But wait, the show's not still going on, is it?
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: Oh, of course.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: The play is?
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: Yes, still on Broadway. It's going to be traveling all
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: over the world.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: So I'm saying outside of the United States, he's the
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: biggest selling entertainer there is.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Did you ever believe that he really was dating Brooke Shields?
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Because I didn't. Even as a kid, I didn't know.
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't really.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: And Madonna.
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: But wait a minute, he was married.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: Even when he was saying, Billie Jean is not my lover,
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: I was like 12 and was like, yeah, I know
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: she's not because you're gay.
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: What about the fact that he married Priscilla Presley?
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I think he might have been.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: I definitely think he had body dysmorphia. And I think
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: he was trying to make himself into look like a woman.
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know that he wanted to be a woman,
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: but he wanted that perfect face. He had, like, the
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: plastic surgery disease, whatever, that he, you know, kept getting
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: work done to look like a woman.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: I was like, come on.
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: He wouldn't be the first one.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: No. You know.
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: But I'm saying he was so talented. And, I mean,
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: he had a terrible childhood.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: And the first time I met him, I had done
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: a dinner for Ewell Brenner when he came to Broadway
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: the last time when he did King and I. And
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: he and Michael Jackson were best friends because I gathered
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: that during their time on the road, you know, with
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: Michael performing and with him, that they became great friends.
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: And this was at the exact same time when they
• 46:55
  Speaker 7: were launching Thriller. So everybody said, you know, Michael Jackson's
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: coming to the party and Michael Jackson's coming to the party. Well,
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: if you've given parties, you know, the last thing you're
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: going to tell anybody is that Michael Jackson is coming.
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: Because if he doesn't come, then— The party sucks. Then
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: it's like, how could you not, you know— I knew
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: he was coming that afternoon because they gave me a
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: whole list of juices that he had to get from
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: this stand and that stand. I had it all decanted
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: when he came in. I was shocked when he came in.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: You mean juices to drink?
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah. He had orange juice from this place. I wasn't
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: going to put— I mean, I had the whole set done
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: like the king and I. I'm not going to put
• 47:30
  Speaker 7: cartons of, you know— orange juice on the table so
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: when he walked in i had everything decantered in the
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: yes and then we he had just launched thriller and
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: he had the video you know nobody had videos in
• 47:43
  Speaker 7: those days right we went up on the bridge of
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: studio 54 and they dropped the thing and they showed
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: thrill i thought the people were going to tear their
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: hair out it was really one of the most exciting
• 47:51
  Speaker 7: evenings i ever spent right you know just launching that
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: being a part of the launch of thriller.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: Wow i know i remember that now what do you
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: think killed epstein.
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: I think somebody killed Epstein. I would bet all the
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: money on the fact that he did not commit suicide.
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: You know, I knew him. I wasn't a close friend
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: of his. Actually, it's so bizarre. In the documentary, maybe
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: I took one picture with him my entire life. It's
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: in the documentary.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: So he lived around the corner. Oh, you were friendly
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: with my... He lived right around the corner from me
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: on 67th Street.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: In New York.
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: In New York. And I met him. Right at the beginning,
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: when he first went to work for Leslie Wexner.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Do you think they were lovers together?
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know for a fact, but you
• 48:41
  Speaker 7: don't actually give somebody a $ 62 million townhouse because they're
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: a good dancer.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: And he gave them power of attorney over everything. He
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: was in charge of everything. Do you think they were
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: lovers and.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: He delivered love? sexual children to him or just they
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: were lovers? Who knows?
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: Who knows?
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: So you never went to the island?
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: When I met him, I really, I didn't really like him.
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: I thought he was, he was very good looking, I
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: have to say. And he, the only three things he
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: ever told me, that he was a concert pianist, that
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: he was a, I don't know what you call it,
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: he was a corporate scientist, Like he would go to
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: work for these big corporations finding out people were stealing
• 49:24
  Speaker 7: money inside the corporation. And something else he told me.
• 49:29
  Speaker 7: And one night I was invited, this friend of mine
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: gave this big charity event every year. And for some
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: reason he asked me if he could go with me
• 49:36
  Speaker 7: to this event. So I took him to the event,
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: and about 20 minutes after he was there, he says
• 49:41
  Speaker 7: to me, well, I have to leave. I said, what
• 49:43
  Speaker 7: do you mean you have to leave? He said, well,
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: just look at it as if I'm a doctor and
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: I have to go make a house call. I said, well,
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: why did you come? I said, I could have invited
• 49:50
  Speaker 7: someone else. And the next day he sent me flowers,
• 49:53
  Speaker 7: but I never spoke to him again. He was not
• 49:56
  Speaker 7: my favorite. But the pedophile thing didn't happen.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: What about Ghislaine? Ever hang out with that girl?
• 50:02
  Speaker 7: I never met her. I mean, she must have been
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: totally mesmerized by him.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: Because she wasn't a dumb woman. And I think he
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: just— No, she wasn't.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: She was, you know, a sex trafficker.
• 50:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah. He had, like, a Svengali thing over people. But
• 50:17
  Speaker 7: I really wasn't—I mean, I didn't like him.
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: So you never heard anything? Like, during the time, did
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: you hear, oh, my God, these people are going over
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: to— Never. You know, Epstein Island and stuff.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: No.
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: I missed the whole thing. In fact, when he got
• 50:29
  Speaker 7: arrested the first time, I was shocked.
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: And then he had like day camp, you know, he
• 50:34
  Speaker 7: went in for 10 minutes a day.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: Well, I feel like the media put it out like, yes,
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: he had, they called them underage girls who are prostitutes,
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: is the way I feel like it was fed to us.
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: Does that make it right?
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: No, but I think back then we didn't ask the questions. And,
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: you know, of course they weren't. They were like 14. Well,
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying the defense and everything made it sound like, yes,
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: he did. participate with girls that were not 18, but
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: they were very close.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: To being 18. Yeah, they were 16.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: And then for some reason that didn't, the public didn't
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: really ask the questions.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: And then he went to the day camp and then
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: he got out.
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: I think what happened is when the first thing happened,
• 51:15
  Speaker 7: it happened in Palm Beach.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: And I think they sort of smushed it over and
• 51:18
  Speaker 7: it sort of like fell by the wayside. And there
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: was sort of a little nuance that there was, he
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: was a pedophile or he was not a pedophile, that
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: he was trafficking girls.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: But in his mind, he was like taking them on
• 51:32
  Speaker 7: a vacation.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 51:34
  Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying? Oh, I'll take them on
• 51:36
  Speaker 7: a vacation down to my island. I mean, I'm sure
• 51:38
  Speaker 7: in his mind, he wasn't sex trafficking them. You know
• 51:41
  Speaker 7: what I'm saying? But then when the whole thing came out,
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: he knew what he was doing. You know, he had
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: scouts out all over the place. And she must be
• 51:50
  Speaker 7: the dumbest woman that ever lived. have gone through what
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: she went through for no reason.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: She's the only one left.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: She's the only person that's doing any time for all
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: these crimes is a woman. Not one other man that
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: obviously participated in this sex trafficking ring that went to
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: the island that obviously he must have blackmailed. I think
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: that's how he got a lot of money too.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: I think you're right. He'd invite these rich guys over.
• 52:16
  Speaker 7: I think you're right.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: These girls would participate. And then the next morning he'd
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: be like, here's a video. Yeah, here's a video with
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: you and a 15-year-old. Now give me $ 15 million.
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: I don't even think they have to do that. I
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: don't even think he blackmailed them. I don't think he
• 52:29
  Speaker 7: blackmailed the people. It was like a cult kind of
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: a thing, I think. But who knows? But I put
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: a million dollars down that he did not kill himself
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: because he was such an egomaniac. And he always felt
• 52:42
  Speaker 7: that he could get out of everything. Well, he got
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: out the last time.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:45
  Speaker 7: And hello, somebody tried to strangle him about three days before.
• 52:51
  Speaker 7: And they put him in a cell that there were
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: no cameras. There was no protection. And he just had died.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: Well, they gave him like 17 sheets, and then both
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: the people fell asleep during that exact time.
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they were like not there.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, officers.
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: You know what I mean? And they never really held
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: them accountable.
• 53:08
  Speaker 8: No.
• 53:09
  Speaker 7: Did he ask them a question? Oh, you know, I
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: was sleeping.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Well, like you kind of wonder, what are those people
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: up to?
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: They must have gotten paid off.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, they must have gotten paid off.
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: I mean, if you want to kill somebody, the best
• 53:20
  Speaker 7: place to put them is in jail. Yeah. You know,
• 53:23
  Speaker 7: what easier way to get rid of somebody?
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 53:26
  Speaker 7: You know, I mean, they're all killers there. Everybody's suspect.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: True.
• 53:31
  Speaker 7: But I think another mystery that will go unsolved is
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: his death.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 53:38
  Speaker 7: Because I'm surprised they haven't come after her. Well, they
• 53:45
  Speaker 7: did come after her.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: She's doing time. She's doing like 35 years.
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: I'm talking about her doing after her in jail.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Well, she did some weird interview. I don't know.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: It's very weird why it's not getting talked about. Obviously,
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: they've covered it up. They're such powerful people involved that
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: the story just doesn't get out because it's so many
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: tentacles of like— Who knows?
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: You never know. We live in very, very desperate times.
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: And I would think that her life would be in danger.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: She's the only one that knows... She's got the copy
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: of everything. She knows where all the bodies are buried.
• 54:25
  Speaker 7: She hasn't spoken at all.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: But she's also.
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's what's interesting, because she's got nothing to
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: gain by telling, because she's still going to do her time.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: The time to have told would have been before the
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: trial and tried to do a deal. And she's got...
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: But she also... What she has to lose is that
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: if she does tell, she will get killed. So unless
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: she wants to get killed, she probably shouldn't tell.
• 54:46
  Speaker 7: But there's... I mean, I think that somebody... would kill
• 54:49
  Speaker 7: her just in the anticipation that she might tell.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Right, it might be better to tell. Because the longer
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: she's there, she's.
• 54:54
  Speaker 7: Saying to herself, another 45 years, I don't think that's
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: going to work. Could you come here for a second?
• 54:59
  Speaker 7: I have something to tell you.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:00
  Speaker 7: And don't forget, a lot of the people, most of
• 55:03
  Speaker 7: the people that were a part of this thing are
• 55:05
  Speaker 7: still alive.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: You know, it's not like Kennedy where everybody's dead. Yeah.
• 55:10
  Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying? That's an old story. Marilyn Monroe,
• 55:13
  Speaker 7: everybody's dead. So it's all hearsay. This is people that
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: were actually there.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Who do you think killed Natalie Wood?
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: I definitely do not think that Robert Wagner killed Natalie Wood.
• 55:24
  Speaker 7: I think that Natalie Wood was drunk. She had on
• 55:29
  Speaker 7: a down jacket. She didn't have on a life preserver.
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: I think she got up on the boat and she
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: fell off.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: I totally agree. I think she was drunk, and I
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: think she was pissed.
• 55:40
  Speaker 7: And she was pissed that the two of them were
• 55:43
  Speaker 7: playing cards and weren't paying any attention to her.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Or he was sleeping with that other guy.
• 55:48
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Could have been.
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: Who knows?
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: You know, I know Robert Wagner so well, I can't
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: even begin to tell you. I can't even begin to
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: tell you what an amazing, wonderful, kind man, how his
• 55:59
  Speaker 7: children love him. He just doesn't even have an edge.
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: I mean, there's nothing that I've never, it just seems
• 56:06
  Speaker 7: so strange.
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: I think she was pissed that he might have already
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: been asleep, whatever.
• 56:10
  Speaker 7: Who knows?
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: She went out to get in the little dinghy. Because
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: she was like, screw you. I hate you. I'm going
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: to go ride the dinghy to the shore.
• 56:20
  Speaker 7: They were already on the shore, by the way. They
• 56:23
  Speaker 7: were docked in the shore.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Right. But she needed a dinghy. She was going someplace.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: She needed a dinghy.
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: I think she fell off. She was drunk and she
• 56:28
  Speaker 7: fell in the water.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: She fell off in the water. And you would have
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: never heard that.
• 56:32
  Speaker 7: The only thing that does bother me is that they
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: never ever, when they found out she was gone, they
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: never called the Coast Guard.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:40
  Speaker 7: And they never turned the lights on on the boat.
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: That I find suspect.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 56:44
  Speaker 7: And that, you know.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: And what about John Bonnet?
• 56:48
  Speaker 7: I am still, they've got new information now. They finally
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: found— because all the people that were working there were really corrupt.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: And they have— In Colorado.
• 56:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah. And I think now— I saw something recently that they
• 57:02
  Speaker 7: found the DNA and that they put it through the database.
• 57:07
  Speaker 7: And I think they're on the case now. I think
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: it must have been a neighbor. I mean, for a
• 57:12
  Speaker 7: while there, they tried to push the story that the
• 57:13
  Speaker 7: son did it.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Right. Because she ate his pineapple. Right.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: And I kind of thought that could be— I did
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: for a while. I was like, I could see it,
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: and I could almost see that the kid has been
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: fed a narrative and maybe doesn't even remember what the
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: real story is anymore, and the parents were protecting the
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: one son they had from something that he might.
• 57:34
  Speaker 7: Have just— But don't forget, it happened so long ago.
• 57:36
  Speaker 7: It's like O.J.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Simpson.
• 57:39
  Speaker 7: If it were today, with the DNA the way they
• 57:42
  Speaker 7: have it now, he would have been convicted in a heartbeat.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, you think O.J. did it?
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: Of course.
• 57:46
  Speaker 6: Of course.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Do you think he did it alone?
• 57:48
  Speaker 7: Yes. I was with him the night before the murder.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: And?
• 57:51
  Speaker 7: What did you guys do? Actually, we were at a
• 57:54
  Speaker 7: black-tie dinner at my girlfriend Diana Ellis' house. And it
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: was for Madam Sadat, Madam Hussein. And it was for
• 58:02
  Speaker 7: Kirk Douglas. It was honoring Kirk Douglas. And he was
• 58:06
  Speaker 7: just sitting next to me. I mean, a friend of mine.
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: We're not joined at the hip or anything.
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:10
  Speaker 7: And I gave a party. There was a New Year's
• 58:13
  Speaker 7: Eve party that they got in a big fight after
• 58:16
  Speaker 7: it was New Year's Eve. And then she called the police.
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: That was the incriminating evidence that they went out and
• 58:21
  Speaker 7: got him originally. That was a party that I gave
• 58:24
  Speaker 7: with Richard Perry. It was that night.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Richard Perry, the guy that ran the music? Yeah. I
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: went on a date with Richard Perry yesterday.
• 58:33
  Speaker 7: You think he did it?
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: No, but my friend, I set up my friend with
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: Bill Maher, and she was like, you should go out
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: with this guy. He's older and wealthy and this and stuff.
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: And I was just like, no. And she was like, Heather,
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: you're crazy. And then I saw him at two other
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: parties after that. Once when I was a mom, he
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: was friends with somebody. And then another time when he
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: was dating.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Jane Fonda.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 59:01
  Speaker 7: So we used to give a New Year's Eve party,
• 59:03
  Speaker 7: like an after the party party.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:05
  Speaker 7: And he was at, actually I even have a picture
• 59:07
  Speaker 7: of it. He was with Nicole.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Richard Perry was with Nicole. No, no, no.
• 59:11
  Speaker 7: OJ was with Nicole.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: OJ was with Nicole. At the party. Right.
• 59:14
  Speaker 8: Okay.
• 59:15
  Speaker 7: And they had gotten in a fight and she called
• 59:18
  Speaker 7: the police.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, that was the night. That was the New Year's
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: Eve night.
• 59:21
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: That then she put those photos and called the police.
• 59:25
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: And when she was at the Green Street on, yeah,
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: I remember that.
• 59:30
  Speaker 7: So when she died, okay, actually what happened was it
• 59:35
  Speaker 7: was on a Saturday night that I saw him. Sunday
• 59:38
  Speaker 7: was when she got murdered.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Right, the recital and everything Sunday, yeah.
• 59:43
  Speaker 7: I left for New York that Sunday night. And ironically enough,
• 59:47
  Speaker 7: Monday night I was having dinner with O.J. 's agent.
• 59:51
  Speaker 7: His name was Jack Gilardy.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:54
  Speaker 7: And we were at Elaine's in New York. And we
• 59:57
  Speaker 7: got a call for Jack got a call saying, you know,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: they're looking for O.J. because he had gotten on a plane.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Right. To go to Chicago.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: And he left.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 7: And so they were calling him, asking him if he
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 7: knew how to get a hold of O.J. And they're saying,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 7: can you imagine that they think that, you know, O.J. killed,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 7: you know, Nicole? So I was very sort of in
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 7: that hole.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: And what did you think? What was your thought at first?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 7: No way he could have done it.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 7: And there was no way he could have died.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: Well, I lived in Brentwood, and I would see Nicole's
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: car late for a date with the personalized license plate,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: a white Ferrari.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: And, you know, I'd go to the same Starbucks and
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: see her. And I knew the guys that were friends
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: with Ron Goldman.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: I would go to Mezzaluna and everything. So I remember
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: I was in Woodland Hills, and I saw the news break.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: And I'm going home. My parents lived in Woodland Hills,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: and I was going home to Brentwood where I lived.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: And.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely my first thought was, oh, my God, some
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: crazed person is running around doing this crime. But then,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: of course, shortly after and throughout the whole trial, I
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: definitely thought he did it.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 7: But he got off.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: But that would never have happened today because all of
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 7: the forensic blood that they caught and the glove thing
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 7: was the biggest bullshit. He put rubber gloves on before
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 7: he put on gloves that were soaked in blood. There
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 7: was no way he could have ever gotten a head
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 7: of rubber.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 7: I mean, the whole thing was just.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Well, the prosecution just screwed up.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: And they also— the biggest mistake she made, Marcia Clark, was
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: not being more particular about the jury and believing that,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: you know, because she'd put away so many men that
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: hurt women, domestic violence, as a prosecutor, she thought— A
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: female jury will completely be on my side and be
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: against anybody that puts a hand on a woman. But
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: she didn't think of the fact that demographically and race-wise
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: that jury's opinion, even though they're women, might feel very
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: differently if it's a black man who was married to
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: a white woman.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 7: And Darden screwed up. The glove thing was the worst ever.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 7: He went like this. Like he was trying to pull
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 7: on the glove.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 7: I remember it vividly. Right. There's a lot of injustices
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 7: in this world, in the world we live in.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: So how did you end up back in L.A.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: After the Studio 54 life?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 7: So when I had my television show.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 7: Okay. So the show went off the air in 1985. Okay. Okay,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 7: and that's when the Star Caps started.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: Now, explain what the Star Caps are.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 7: The Star Caps was the world's greatest product ever in
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 7: the history of the world. It was a natural diuretic
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 7: made out of papaya and garlic enzymes. So somebody came
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 7: to me with this product, and I started— I mean, it
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 7: was a complicated— it was $ 100 a bottle. I could put
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 7: it in every store, every drugstore. I put it in—
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 7: So what was the deal? You'd take the pill, and
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 7: it would make you— It completely flushed everything out of
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 7: your system. It was a diuretic, but it broke up
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 7: the fat in your system. It wasn't an amphetamine of
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 7: any kind.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: And you could lose five, six pounds in two days
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 7: with a pill without any problem. So I started this company.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 7: You know, I started with 25 bottles— And, you know,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 7: I made millions and millions of dollars with it. And
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 7: I had billboards all over Sunset Boulevard.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: I remember seeing them.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 7: And billboards were the greatest.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: This is the same time that Angeline has all the— She.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 7: Had them on before me, and she was a hooker. And, unfortunately,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 7: I didn't get any offers outside of people wanting to
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 7: buy my product.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 7: But I was a general nutrition center, so I convinced
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 7: them that I wanted to get this one billboard on
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: Sunset Boulevard. And I put the billboard up. In those days,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 7: they used to do them in panels.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: So what happened to the star caps?
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: So on top of everything else, I'm watching television one night,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: and I see this sports reporter is holding up a
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: bottle of star caps saying that all these football players
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 7: were caught taking star caps. See, what happened was all
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 7: these football players take steroids.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: Okay. So the only way that they could get the
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: steroids out of the system was to use the star caps.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 7: Because it was a natural diuretic. Okay, and it flushed
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: it out of their system. So what they would do
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 7: is the game is over on Sunday. They start taking
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 7: the steroids. Okay, by Tuesday, they started taking Star Caps.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 7: So when they got caught, they blamed the Star Caps.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 7: Said it was the Star Caps, not that they took steroids. Well,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 7: there's no reason for them to take steroids unless they
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 7: took the Star Caps, you know, to get rid of them.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 7: So I end up in a lawsuit with nine teams, okay.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: So you sued them or they sued you?
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: They sued me. They said it was my fault. Anybody
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 7: can sue anybody for anything.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: Right, I know.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 7: So I had a $ 30 million insurance, but nobody got
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 7: sick and nobody got hurt, so nobody insured me. I
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 7: would have had to sue nine different teams separately. They
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 7: put me into bankruptcy. I had to file personal and
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: corporate bankruptcy. Then they came in, and I had $ 17
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 7: million worth of product that I had to destroy. Plus,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 7: I went to court. I was like, My attorney said,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 7: whatever you do, don't cry. I was like hysterical. I
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 7: knew nothing about it. There was nothing ever wrong with
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 7: the star caps. They sued me and they went up
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 7: to NFL heaven and that was that. And they completely
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 7: destroyed my life.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: I remember. So what was like the last year that
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: anybody could get one?
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 7: Like 2009. Okay.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: So I remember the woman I worked for at the time.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Everyone can figure it out who it was. She was like,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: you've got to get me these. They're going out. Get
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: me as many as you can.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 7: They used to come over to my house with rolls
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 7: of hundreds.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 7: But then the problem was I put all the product
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 7: in storage, and then I had to destroy $ 17 million
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 7: worth of product.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: How did they know that you were destroying it?
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 7: I had to have, like, a person come there. It
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 7: was so complicated, I can't tell you. Plus, they charged
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 7: me money on top of that. Plus, they charged, I mean,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 7: it was like, they totally destroyed me.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Do you have any just hidden away at your house?
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: I got a couple stashed away. I took one the
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 7: other day, actually.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: I would love to try one.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 7: I could sell them for $ 1, 000 apiece, but I only
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 7: have about a half a dozen of them. I save
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 7: them for big events.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 7: They're the best. There's nothing quite like them.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: Well, why can't someone recreate the formula a little bit
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: and just add a little B12 or something?
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 7: Because I would never do another ingestible. You never know.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: You know, God forbid. You know, people are crazy. I
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 7: was very lucky. Nobody ever got sick. Nobody ever got damaged.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 7: You know, Truman Capote swallowed the top of his pill bottle.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 7: That's how he died. People can sue you for anything.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 7: I'm very lucky.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: What do you mean the top of his pill bottle?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 7: That's how he died. He took his pills and he
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 7: had the top of the bottle in his hand and
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: he swallowed it.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: You took so many pills and the top went down. Right.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 7: So you never know. People can sue you for anything.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: How do you feel about the Ozempic craze and everything going.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 7: On with that? Listen, I'm the first person to say
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 7: anything you have to do to lose weight, you lose weight.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 7: But that's going to be, you know, it's tough to
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 7: lose weight. I mean, I wrote two books on dieting,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 7: you know, and, I mean, I've been on a diet
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 7: since the day I was born. My mother, I was
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 7: born on a diet. So, I mean, everything I eat,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 7: everything I do, I mean, I watch everything I eat.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 7: People aren't brought up that way anymore. We're a pizza,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 7: you know, pizza, pasta, candy society. I mean, I watch,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 7: I don't eat anything fattening, but I'm a cookie, candy,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 7: ice cream person. I like sweets. I.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: I remember being at a party in the Hamptons and
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: this woman was like late 60s and just very thin,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: flat as stomach, no pooch, nothing.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: And I go, you look so amazing. How do you
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: do it? And she's like, I've been starving for 65 years. Yes,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: that's exactly right. Do you feel like you've been starving,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: like you don't get to indulge?
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 7: No, because first of all, I only eat fish and
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 7: a salad or fish and asparagus. I make myself a
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 7: smoothie in the morning. I try to eat very little
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 7: for lunch. Because, you know, I'm very small. A thousand
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 7: calories a day on me is almost too much.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 7: I watch everything I eat. And people have to do
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 7: that because we're now in a position where 99% of
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 7: the people are obese. Yeah. The only society in the world,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 7: the United States, you don't see it in Europe. You
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 7: go out of Beverly Hills, everybody weighs, you know, 300,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 7: 400 pounds. And it's bad for your heart. It's bad
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 7: for your blood. I mean, there's nothing worse. Obesity. is
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 7: the number one killer in the United States.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: So you live in Beverly Hills now.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 7: I live on Wilshire Boulevard. I live in the Wilshire Corridor. Okay.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 7: Beverly Glen and Wilshire.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: So now I want to ask you about the last
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: time you were a bridesmaid.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 7: The last time I was a bridesmaid. Wasn't it— I'm
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: big in the bridesmaid department. I've been in a lot
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 7: of bridesmaids.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm referring to the wedding you told me about
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: when Ivanka Trump married the Italian guy.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 7: Oh, Ivana. Ivana Trump.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: Ivana, sorry. Ivana Trump.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 7: Oh, Ivana, her last marriage.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 7: She got married at Mar-a-Lago.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 7: And Donald was there. And everybody wore pastels. All the
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 7: girls wore pastel dresses and all the men wore white suits.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 7: And— Up until five minutes before they got married, I
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 7: didn't think they were going to get married. And the
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 7: whole week prior to that, I was staying with Yvonne
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: at her house. And they fought every minute of every
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 7: day about the wedding, about this, about that. And every
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 7: five seconds, Entertainment Tonight would call and say, hi, is
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 7: everything okay? Because they paid like a fortune to cover
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 7: this wedding. And it was, I don't know how they
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 7: ever made it down the altar. It was just disastrous.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: And how did she meet this guy, and what was
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: the age difference and stuff?
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 7: Well, he— actually, a friend of ours introduced her to him.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 7: I remember the first time I met him, we were
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 7: at a costume party, and he was dressed like a pirate,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 7: which was perfect.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 7: He was a pirate. He was a— and the wedding, and
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 7: they— so he got up and, you know, sang a medley
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 7: of his hits for her. He was a terrible singer.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: But he had hits?
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 7: No, I'm being facetious.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 7: And then the kids got up, and— Ivanka and— Donnie
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 7: and Eric and Donnie Jr. said, you know, we want
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 7: to wish you all the happiness and health in the world.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 7: But we just want you to know, you know, we're
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 7: in the construction business. And you better be careful because
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 7: if anything happens to our mother, he said, just remember,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 7: I have a 45 in my pocket.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: He says that? How old was he when he said it? Donnie? Yeah.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 7: He was married and had kids.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: He said that at the wedding.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 7: He said, I just remember I have a 45.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: Like that's the toast?
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 7: That was the toast. And people, and there were a
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 7: lot of Europeans there. And there were a lot of Europeans.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: There, right?
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Because this guy was Italian? What was his deal?
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 7: He was Italian.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: And was he like a gigolo?
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: Like how did they meet? So he was like a
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: kind of a gold digging dude.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 7: Got it.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 7: The meter was running.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: And what was their age difference?
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 7: You know what Ivana used to say? I'd rather be
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 7: a nursemaid than a babysitter. She doesn't like old guys.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: You mean she'd rather be a babysitter than a nursemaid.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 7: Sorry about that, guys.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 7: But, you know, Ivana was much younger. You know, Ivana
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 7: was in her 60s when she married him.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 7: Maybe he was 20 years younger, 18 years younger.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, 23-year age difference.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 7: Okay, so call me a liar for three years.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: No, we're not going to.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 7: Joan Collins' husband's 38 years younger than she is.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 7: And actually, he's gotten to the point now where he's
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 7: actually looking a little bit older than she is. She's
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 7: sort of aged him. Yeah. You know, and I mean,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 7: at the time, I was dating someone that was in
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 7: his early 20s. Great.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: Good for you. Why not?
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: Why not?
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 7: I've always had a lot of cute, young, handsome boyfriends.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: I walked into a party recently and this woman and
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: I was had like a hat on and sunglasses and
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: my son is six, four and 20 and he had
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: a hat and sunglasses.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: And I walked in and I go, oh, hi.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: And my husband hadn't even arrived yet. And the woman goes, oh,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: is this your boyfriend? And I was like, I was
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: so happy, you know, that someone thought that. But it
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: was because she. Had quite a younger boyfriend. So I
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: was like, good, let this trend move on.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's great. I remember when I used
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 7: to take him shopping, they'd say, your son is in
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 7: the dressing room. I'd say, no, he's my boyfriend.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, now they say my son, they think, is
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: my boyfriend.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 7: That's cool.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: So thanks to women like you and Ivana. Well, Nikki,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: this was so juicy. And I just, you know, could
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: talk to you forever.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Thank you, darling.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: Tell everybody where they can follow you. And all your
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: great advice and juicy stories.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 7: So, I mean, I'm on Instagram and TikTok, BigNickBH. And Facebook,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 7: I'm at Nikki Haskell. And I'd love if you could
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 7: follow me. I follow everybody back, or most people. And
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 7: I'm really enjoying what I'm doing. To me, it's giving
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 7: me a whole new lease on connecting with the younger generation.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 7: So let me know if you like it.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: And if I ever am nominated for anything or have
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: the biggest night of my life— Can I call you
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: and get one of those star caps if I just
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: am really in a jam and the zipper isn't going up?
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 7: Play your cards right. You never know. Okay. Thanks. I
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 7: can't guarantee you.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 7: But there's a possibility.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 7: Thanks.
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