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MHH #1202: ESPN Links Denver Broncos to Yet Another RB · Mile High Huddle Podcast

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Mile High Huddle Podcast with your football freeze, Chad Jensen and Zach Kilmer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, Broncos Country is not a geographical location.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good evening, Rocco's Country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And welcome into a special solo edition of the Myoke High Huddle podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am one half of your football priests, Zach Kelberman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I am sitting in solo today, filling in for Chad, who has a family obligation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He cannot make it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He will be back tomorrow and I feel for your regularly scheduled Thursday night podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we added Wednesdays, he can't make it tonight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do have Scott in the background.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thankfully he'll be helping me out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw we have a big super already from the rock waiting for me, but I'm going to go over quickly the ESPN article.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess not quickly, but that's going to be the crux of the show today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The ESPN article suggesting the Broncos go out inside, soon to be former Panthers running back, former Cowboys running back, Rigo Dautal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote that up for the website.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll get into that over the course of the podcast tonight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me give my shout outs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to save Ron for last because he deserves it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He deserves the most recognition, but I see David.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Mackle Raff, two-dollar super.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much, David.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good evening, Broncos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Country, we got Keith.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got Mike.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll get to the individual comments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to just flash to everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got Jordan Lewis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got Ernie Mayes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go Broncos Country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Only, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, usual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got a string guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And who's this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Roy, Roy, I was born.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I should put my glasses on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be squitting quite a bit, but that's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, rock kicking us off in style coming off the top rope like he always wants to do, let me just close that tab really quickly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: hundred dollar super thank you so so much Michael legitimately genuinely thank you you are the mayor of the podcast for a reason you are a legendary figure around here and it's it's still humbling to see you support us like this on top of what you do on social media what you do on the podcast each and every single day so i i really do appreciate it Chad when he sees this he'll appreciate it's got to appreciate it
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much, Michael.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Painting Wolf, go get Javonte back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll get into like the alternatives for running backs for the Broncos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just to be safe, I want to pull up Rico Dattles stats.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do have the article pulled up before I get into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, this might be a quicker pod, not an hour long pod cast just because I'm solo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Quite honestly guys after potting Sunday, Monday, doing KK yesterday and we're going to pod tomorrow and Sunday again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not a whole lot going on right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of it is he said she said and this outlet links this player to that team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we have to go on right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not going to be an hour long show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably going to be about, I don't know, 40, 45 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll try to keep it in that window.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So keep that in mind as we go along.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll get into it right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like I said, ESPN broke down their list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was top 53 agents scheduled to hit the open market next month.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Rico Dattel made that list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was, I think it was 43 or 34.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Either way, this is what Matt Bowen of the ESPN NFL analyst said about the Broncos and Rico Dattel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: quote, Donald would step in for free agent JK Dobbins to pair with RJ Harvey and Denver's backfield.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this scenario, Donald would split touches with Harvey and his decisive downhill running style works on the goal line in coach Sean Payton's offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Donald rushed for a thousand and seventy six yards and had twenty six carries of 10 or more yards last season with the Panthers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all we have to go on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's to set the table, the foundation here, that's the crux of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: ESPN, link the Broncos to Dattel as a top landing spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're kind of just trying to fit puzzle pieces right now, if only because that's all we have to go on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't know how familiar each and every one of you are, and I see you Shannon with that generous super.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me just make this point, then I'll get to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how each and every one of you are familiar with Rico Dowdall from his time in Dallas, or his time in Carolina, but he has rushed for a thousand yards in back to back seasons, in 2024 with Dallas, in 2025 with Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He took over starting duties in 2025 for Shuba Hubbard in Carolina and they were much more effective on the ground with him in the lineup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a good running back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's average 4.6 yards per carry in both of those 1,000 yard seasons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For his career, he's average 4.5 yards per carry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So a little bit like a JK Dobbins where he's more of a power runner, although he has more getaway speed and breakaway speed, perhaps a better version of Juvante Williams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see some people like Penn and Wolf saying go get Juvante back and David Young can saying no to Juvante Williams, I'm with you on that David.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And leave aside the fact that exes are exes for a reason, I don't know that Chavantes resurgence as we saw with the Cowboys is going to hold up throughout the majority of the rest of his career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even so, I think he sort of capped as early down for Yard of Carey Guide.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you need more dynamism in the backfield, more explosion, more consistency, someone that's going to stay healthy and set the next down, so to speak, for RJ Harvey and the rest of the running backs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's really the skinning on him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't played that long in the league.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was an undrafted for Agent in 2020.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned he spent his first four years in Dallas, then he signed with Carolina, ahead of the 2025 season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: back to back 1,000 yard a year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So not the number one running back schedule to hit the open market.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as I'll talk about in a second here, I want to pull it up just for the sake of brevity and clarity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I tweeted about it last night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a group of running backs that I would rather the Broncos target before they look at Rico Dattel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And people call me out because I said, I didn't list him in the target or ignore Bucket on Twitter, Rico, and someone called me out and I said, and it's true, I'm indifferent on doubt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If the Broncos sign him, great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they don't sign him, great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I had to lean one way, I would say I'd pursue him over some of the others, but I would not sign him over some of the others, like I'm about to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And those guys, in no particular order,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Breeze Hall from the Jets, if he reaches the open market, he might be tagged.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kenneth Walker, Super Bowl 60 MVP, he will not be franchise tagged, reportedly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he'll be hitting the open market.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He might be demanding more than the Broncos want to offer him, but that's another story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tyler Algier from Atlanta, he's been a career along backup, mostly behind B. John Robinson, but he's a star in the making and an RB1 in the making.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love for him to be taking carries and Denver's backfield.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Travis ETN from Jacksonville, sort of a multi-purpose player can catch, can run some injury concerns though not overbearing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would take him over Rico Doudle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, the incumbent JK Dobbins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I put him in the should target category because I truly feel the Broncos should target JK dominance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not before they make a play for Bryce Hall or Walker, for example, but if all else fails for a plan C or D, I would love to bring back Dobbins, run it back for another season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wouldn't cost much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He knows the offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw that he's effective when he's healthy, just the problem of JK, he's rarely ever freaking healthy and it's so frustrating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are the running backs I would target if I'm Denver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The free agent running backs, I would ignore if I'm the Broncos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, Najee Harris, a guy who was compared to Javante because they were drafted the same year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Najee was a first round pick, kind of flamed out in Pittsburgh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Looked okay with the charges before he got hurt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or, you know, he's certain falling off there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not a fan of him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not what the Broncos needed all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Javante Williams, I have on here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I talked about him already, good for him for coming back with the Cowboys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll always root for Javante, except when he's playing the Broncos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know if what we saw in 2025 his comeback
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[SPEAKER_00]: is sustainable throughout the rest of his career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to let another team figure that out, maybe it's Dallas, maybe not Nick Shubb.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some Baroque fans do want him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's never going to be the same after that gruesome knee injury that he had a couple seasons ago, whatever it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He looked
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[SPEAKER_00]: a spot player, a backup, a rotational player, but the Broncos need more upside than what Nick Chub has to offer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If this was 2021 or whatever, three, four, five years ago before his injury, I'd say throw a bag at him, but it's not the same player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And finally, the last running back I feel the Broncos should ignore in free agency is Rashad White from Tampa Bay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was
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[SPEAKER_00]: surpassed by I'm sorry Shen and I was looking at a different screen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll get to you in just one second.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was surpassed by a bucky Irving and at time Sean Tucker for anyone who plays fantasy in Tampa Bay is again a low ceiling kind of player three and a half yards of carry cloud of dust they could do a lot better than Rashad White
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[SPEAKER_00]: That being said, Shannon, you've been very patient and I appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for your generous super, 49, 99.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It really does help this time of year because Chad talks about it all the time and I just mentioned it at the top of the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not a lot going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We try to get on the podcast and these streams every night for y'all because you guys deserve it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For as long as you guys want to talk, we'll be here to talk to you and talk with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Shannon, you have helped lead the charge in getting us through these times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you so much for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good evening, Zach Scott and Broncos Country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm wondering if ESPN has any factual information going into this statement or is this just their suggestion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all it is, Shannon, there is no sourced information in this aggregation piece by Matt Bowen and I'm not knocking it, but that's all we really see this time of year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to take that to the bank in February.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So much could change.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not even at the combine yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where the deals around the league really get made, the upcoming signings, the trades, the laying the foundation for even the draft picks, obviously, in Indianapolis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't even gotten there yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's coming up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is just completely their suggestion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And not anything factual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what happens though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it's hard to explain because I feel like it's all relative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want a brief all, if you want the Broncos to aim higher, then you're not going to be that excited over the the possibility of Rico Dattle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you don't want the Broncos to break the bank, or if you feel like they should target that position in the draft,
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[SPEAKER_00]: or if you feel like RJ Harvey should get more carries or more opportunity in year two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then maybe you settle for a Riko Dattle or settle for a JK Dobbins or even settle for a Tyler Algier and I only say settle with Algier because I don't think he's going to warrant to see money that Walker and Bruce Hall will but maybe he will.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you though, Shannon, regardless for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: such a generous super and it's good question because a lot of people are wondering the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We put out admittedly a lot of these aggregation pieces from ESPN and Fox Sports and all these major national outlets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We want to try to feed the masses, content's important, but that's all it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just trying to connect the dots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's predictions, it's prognostications.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's no different than me getting on here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, really, no different than me getting on here and saying, oh, I think
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I see it was Pearl's birthday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, happy belated birthday to you, Pearl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for joining us tonight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And hope you had a great birthday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've been such an amazing member.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As Shannon says there had a Pearl happy birthday, happy belated birthday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, it's kind of a slower chat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like I said, I, I, that's the skinny on Rico Dattle and I hate to sound so short with that subject, the main subject of the show tonight, but that's all it really is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they listed, I could pull up the link really quickly because I think they had JFM on there, but we can talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: JFM was right fairly high.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they have George Pickins on here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, he's probably going to be tagged.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If not, that's one guy that I would throw a lot of money at because he's one of the better receivers, probably the best receiver scheduled hit the open market.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And here we go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number 11 on the list, Matt Bowen's top 50 impending free agents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number 11, John Franklin Myers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Scott will appreciate this because the best team fit for him is the Atlanta Falcons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and I'll read the blur really quickly because we do have some time to kill tonight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Under Coordinator Jeff Ulbrick, Franklin Myers could be used as a versatile defender playing as a nose or a five technique in the base front, while providing an interior rush out of sub-package personnel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had seven and a half sacks in 23 pressures but the Broncos last season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And not to make this about JFM and I do hope the Falcon signed him because they have some pieces there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not as far off from contending as some people think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love, and I talked about this, like it's, I can solve blur in together now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe on KK last week or a solo pod recently, I would love for the Broncos to find a way to keep JFM.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love that if they can restructure some players or whatever, find some salary cap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is you really just can't you can't pay everyone and they've paid so many players on defense that they're going to have to let someone go and not only that, but they've headed out this move for anyone who's wondering, by the way, if the Broncos are going to bring back JFM or don't be surprised when he doesn't resign because then for showed you their hand already.
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[SPEAKER_00]: when they used a third round pick on Sabion Jones, that they had needs elsewhere, they could use that pick in many other places.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a strategic draft pick and even even play that much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was being prepped, he was being groomed to take over for JFM.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it was ever in the cards to re-sign John Franklin Myers and he's going to be a hot ticket.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's one of the best, if not the best.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Defense of Lyman, you know, Ed Drusher, Defense of Lyman, who can play with his hand in the dirt on the open market, he is going to get a significant contract.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I wish him well, because it was a joy to watch in the last couple of seasons and getting him from the jets on draft day for a song really was one of the better trades that George Peyton has made or probably will ever make.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Todd, thank you so much for this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see, I could also see bringing in Romo Dobbs from Green Bay, Kenneth Walker's expected to be available.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He would be another good addition to the Broncos, but it's had trouble staying healthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's been basically the problem with Seattle overall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have two good running backs and Walker and Zack Sharbinay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sharbinator is ACL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't even play in the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Walker, as we saw, he had a MVP type performance, the first running back to when MVP in the Super Bowl since Tural Davis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, really good player, but the same thing applies to him as JK Dobbins, really tremendous player, one of the best running backs in the league when he's healthy, and then you have the pause, the dot dot dot, the problem is he's rarely healthy, or he's had injury concerns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not so much with Walker as JK and especially with JK having that list Frank, but they're our concerns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And thank you for bringing this up Todd because again, we're going to kind of cover some multiple things today about free agency and different positions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's only 15 minutes in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be on with you guys for about 40.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't much to cover with Rico doubt also.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had this tweet ready to go and it's funny you bring this up Todd.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to kind of do this series every week on or every day on Twitter, every week on KK I'll talk about it on the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did the running backs, the Broncos should target and should avoid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have it ready to go for Twitter right now and give you guys an exclusive the free agent receivers, the Broncos should target and avoid number one, I'm it's obvious, he's the best receiver scheduled to hit the open market and I say scheduled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not lightly, George Pickins from Dallas, he'll probably probably be franchise tag though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can't do anything about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to give up multiple first round picks for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He'll be off the table if he's tagged, if he's not tagged for whatever reason, pick up the phone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do not care about the character concerns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's less with Pickins than it is with a Tyree kill for example, or Antonio Brown of years past.
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[SPEAKER_00]: those are kind of overstated or yeah overblown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He can play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He can ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is a stud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He would instantly boost the Broncos offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So number one is George Pickins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number two is a similar player in that he's probably going to be tagged if not the Broncos should pick up the phone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Alec Pierce from Indianapolis, we've had some discussions about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to bait topic in Broncos country, even with Shadana.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And some other people, I think it was Mike Thompson in the community that really won Alec Peris and that think he's a no doubt wide receiver one, I have my apprehensions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would rather the Broncos acquire that upgrade on Pierce, Garrett Wilson, Jalen model, et cetera, via trade, but this is about free agent receiver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As guys, that could be signed, and you don't have to give up draft picks for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in that case, yeah, Alec Pierce, he's a very, very high-end wide receiver too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have my doubt as to whether you can lean on him full-time as a wide receiver one in Sean Payton's offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But regardless, he should be targeted if he gets if he's available.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Juan Dale Robinson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're entering the list, it's very top-heavy of receivers the Broncos should target on the open market.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After Pickins and Pierce account of falls off, Juan Dale Robinson, he's been with the giants, really a lesser-known player, but an explosive player with the ball in his hands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's been used to his full potential, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've had quarterback issues and coaching issues and personnel issues in New York.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a disaster there as we saw.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they let up that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that lead to the Broncos and the Broncos came back in that historic fashion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're kind of a dumpster fire, but Wandell Robinson is a quality player and if they want to save a few bucks, if they don't want to go toward the pickins on the open market or they don't want to give up draft picks for a Jalen Waddle Robinson would be a value signing, a second tier, third tier signing and he would help out the offense just because of how explosive he is with the ball in his hands and how game breaking he could be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's put the Broncos severely lack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's he has a good catch ratio as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to worry about drop passes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Romeo dobs from Green Bay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's another guy that's going to be a value target for the Broncos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to break the bank.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hold because he's had injury concerns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They they have a lot of receivers.
19:00
[SPEAKER_00]: You think the Broncos have a lot of receivers.
19:02
[SPEAKER_00]: They try to get the ball to the Packers have like seven or eight guys.
19:05
[SPEAKER_00]: They rotate each and every single week.
19:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, if you played fantasy football, you know that all too well dog who's going to hit the open market, not on a George Pickens level or even an Alec Pierce level.
19:17
[SPEAKER_00]: but still better than deploying a little Jordan Humphrey or Elijah Moore in the AFC championship game.
19:24
[SPEAKER_00]: As the Broncos did, and I still can't get over that.
19:26
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's why we're talking about it right now.
19:28
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's so important.
19:30
[SPEAKER_00]: The last receiver I feel like the Broncos should target, and I'll give a few honorable mentions as well.
19:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Rashid Shaheed, guy who is in New Orleans, he's an absolute speed demon, I mean, faster to me than Marvin Mims, faster than Troy Franklin, you saw it in Seattle if you watched some of their games as a punt returner, he's a demon as a receiver, he's a game breaker.
19:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Not in my first choice, if only because you do have MIMS and Franklin to fit that role, he's not going to win a lot of 50-50 battles, Rashid Shaheed, but you can do a lot worse as well.
20:03
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't have too many weapons or too much explosion on the Broncos offense, so I'll add him as well.
20:09
[SPEAKER_00]: On our bull mention, I'll save you on Jennings.
20:12
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like a plan F for me, plan, you know, plan G.
20:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And only because a lot of injury concerns, but man, you throw them in the ball over the middle.
20:21
[SPEAKER_00]: He can take a hit, he'll make the catch, he'll convert the first down, just a true workman like player to Juan Jennings if they did have to settle, which I hope it doesn't come to that would be okay, I guess.
20:33
[SPEAKER_00]: The last guy on the list, as an honorable mention, and again, like a plan D plan E type, Christian Kirk, who played in Houston, had injury concerns, but there's a lot to like
20:45
[SPEAKER_00]: his profile as an extra-sever and what he can bring to the Broncos offense.
20:50
[SPEAKER_00]: As I'm going to pause for a second, that's a 20-minute monologue already.
20:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And I only say that because if you watch KK, excuse me, you know how fast my voice goes for that reason.
21:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably because I talk too fast and too loud, but that's the whole other issue.
21:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Free agent receiver is the Broncos should avoid now.
21:10
[SPEAKER_00]: There's only four on this list.
21:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have any honorable mentions, just four guys that I want the Broncos to steer clear from.
21:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, fall in a way, fall in a way.
21:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, tie-rekill.
21:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care if you can get them for a dollar.
21:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Stay away, I wouldn't touch them with a 10-foot pole.
21:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't touch them with another team's general manager.
21:31
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be 32.
21:32
[SPEAKER_00]: He's coming off a significant injury.
21:34
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not the Tyree Killie who wasn't Kansas City.
21:36
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not the Tyree Killie who was early on in Miami.
21:39
[SPEAKER_00]: He has a lot of character concerns, a lot of off-the-field baggage guys can look into that for yourselves if you're not aware.
21:46
[SPEAKER_00]: There's really no net positive in bringing Tirekill aboard.
21:50
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a mentor, he's not a locker room, glue guy, stay far, far away.
21:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care if he played for free.
21:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I do not want Tirekill on my team.
21:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Number two, receiver the Broncos should avoid.
22:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And this might be controversial.
22:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It's my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike Evans.
22:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Future Hall of Fame receiver in Tampa Bay, thousand yard receiver every year, up until this year, unfortunately, he dealt with some injuries.
22:14
[SPEAKER_00]: But the guy obviously just you throw the ball up, he'll catch it.
22:18
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like a kind of a, I don't wanna say this disparagingly, but like a poor man's version of Calvin Johnson.
22:26
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, what's another name for Megatron?
22:28
[SPEAKER_00]: What's Megatron's the second tier?
22:30
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what Mike Evans has been in Tampa Bay.
22:32
[SPEAKER_00]: but he's getting older and this stage of his career, he's basically a Portland Sutton.
22:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Where I don't know if he's a no doubt elite wider receiver one anymore, he's more of a low end wider receiver one, high end wider receiver two.
22:45
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a possession receiver.
22:47
[SPEAKER_00]: You already have that guy in Portland Sutton and as much as I've been a fan of my heavens, I hope he goes and wins a ring somewhere unless it's at the Brock OS expense.
22:56
[SPEAKER_00]: He deserves it or he did win a ring.
22:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry with operating in 2020.
22:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like him regardless though.
23:01
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just not a fit for how the Broncos should be structuring to receive a room going forward.
23:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Debo Samuel is the third receiver I feel that the Broncos should avoid and similar to Mike Evans.
23:11
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of name value, but Debo is not the same receiver you remember a couple of years ago.
23:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And I give him credit because he's played it through like 10 different injuries at once.
23:22
[SPEAKER_00]: and he sat out due to those injuries as well.
23:24
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a tough player, but those injuries have taken a toll.
23:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And Father's time, just like with Evans, is undefeated with every player.
23:31
[SPEAKER_00]: He's undefeated.
23:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And for the same reasons, I don't want the Broncos to pursue Mike Evans.
23:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want the Broncos to pursue Debo Samuel.
23:39
[SPEAKER_00]: They should be aiming much higher, but then these older
23:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, not disparagingly, but has been receivers.
23:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I would rather than the Broncos use their first round pick on a receiver than splurge on a Tyree kill or a Debo Sammy will.
23:53
[SPEAKER_00]: The last guy in my list who I feel like the Broncos should avoid at receiver on the open market is Keenan Allen.
23:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And the same as the other three, he has name value.
24:03
[SPEAKER_00]: You remember him balling in Los Angeles or San Diego at the time.
24:07
[SPEAKER_00]: He went to Chicago, he kind of sucked there, got cut, came back to the chargers, he had a little success.
24:14
[SPEAKER_00]: As a safety blanket for Herbert, you can tell retirement is calling Keenan Allen and it's
24:22
[SPEAKER_00]: So quickly recap and I got on this tangent because someone commented about, I think it was pickins.
24:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember now.
24:28
[SPEAKER_00]: My short-term memory is fading.
24:30
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, free age receivers the Broncos should target George Pickins, Alec Pierce, if they're not tagged by their respective teams.
24:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Juan Dale Robinson from New York, Romeo Dobbs, from Green Bay, Rashid Shahid from Seattle.
24:44
[SPEAKER_00]: He might resign with Seattle, but if he doesn't, he's worth a look.
24:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Free agent receivers, the Broncos should avoid next month.
24:50
[SPEAKER_00]: They should not sign.
24:52
[SPEAKER_00]: They should resist the temptation if there is any.
24:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Tyrekill, Mike Evans, Debo Samuel, and Keena Naling.
25:01
[SPEAKER_00]: that's basically it.
25:01
[SPEAKER_00]: That's basically it with receiver.
25:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And if it doesn't sound that exciting, it's because it's not.
25:08
[SPEAKER_00]: If you take George Pickins and Alec Pierce off the market, and there's a really high probability that happens.
25:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, who are you left with?
25:16
[SPEAKER_00]: You're left with an aging Mike Evans.
25:18
[SPEAKER_00]: You're left with a walking character concerned in Tyree Kill, who's 32 coming off a career threatening knee injury for being honest, or you're settling in probably overpaying someone like Juan Dale Robinson or Romo Dobbs or Rashid Jihad.
25:33
[SPEAKER_00]: In that case, I mean, honestly, at that point, pick up the phone, call my amie, call the jets,
25:39
[SPEAKER_00]: call anyone, call Atlanta, call New Orleans, call any team that has a wider receiver one that's even a mid tier guy that has some upside and see if you can't get it.
25:49
[SPEAKER_00]: At that point, I would rather give up the draft picks than settle for a has been or an also ran or settle for a guy who has character concerns.
25:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I would rather the Broncos trade for AJ Brown than sign-tire killer Mike Evans.
26:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And it might sound crazy, but at least there's still some ceiling with AJ Brown.
26:09
[SPEAKER_00]: At least you're paying for the future with AJ Brown.
26:13
[SPEAKER_00]: You can tolerate the diva concerns with AJ Brown because he'll be playing for you longer than just a couple years.
26:19
[SPEAKER_00]: He'll have a high quality output at that.
26:23
[SPEAKER_00]: That's still my first inclination, not with running back.
26:26
[SPEAKER_00]: There's not really any player the Broncos should trade for at running back.
26:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And running back through several players, they can they can throw money at.
26:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Breeze all kind of walk around, Jerry, we go dad old, JK Dobbins, we talked about that.
26:41
[SPEAKER_00]: At receiver though, if you take pickins and Alec Pierce out of the equation, you're left with bump kiss.
26:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And that case, pick up the phone.
26:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you get Jalen Waddle for a second round picker.
26:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Garrett Wilson for a second round picker.
26:53
[SPEAKER_00]: AJ Brown for a second round pick.
26:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's no greater.
26:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care about character concerns at that point for a second round pick.
27:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Because no receiver you draft in round two in April will be as good as one of those guys not on day one and maybe depending on the receiver never in their careers.
27:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Tighten will cover on a different day.
27:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll have that on Twitter tomorrow.
27:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'll get into that tomorrow.
27:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to be solo tomorrow.
27:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Shadow me with me, but maybe we'll cover that Tuesday.
27:20
[SPEAKER_00]: tight ends.
27:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And I see Roy here talking about it with City, the fan favorite who's been connected to the Broncos a lot.
27:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Roy saying he won't even be there at 20, let alone 30, maybe Roy, maybe.
27:32
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's why I'm saying so many of you guys, and I understand why because there's nothing else going on.
27:38
[SPEAKER_00]: But so many of you guys are asking, you know, where should we go on the draft or what linebacker do you like her receiver do you like?
27:44
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not even at the combine yet.
27:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And then after that, there's free agency when teams can fill their needs and their draft board changes.
27:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's pro days after that.
27:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And the draft board changes again.
27:57
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's so tough, Roy, and you might be right.
28:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not even in full draft mode yet.
28:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I should be, but for agency still my bag, and I'm very excited to see where the Broncos go with that.
28:07
[SPEAKER_00]: But you might be right.
28:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Sidique is not there at 20.
28:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he won't be there 30, obviously.
28:12
[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe he will.
28:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he sneaks to 25.
28:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Broncos make an aggressive play a trade up.
28:18
[SPEAKER_00]: if they don't acquire receiver via trade and they have some draft picks to burn, maybe they move up for a sedic.
28:24
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's also a position they can address on the open market.
28:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, David and Joku is the guy.
28:29
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the guy who I would sign if I'm Denver.
28:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, not to give anything away because we'll talk about this going forward.
28:35
[SPEAKER_00]: We have some time.
28:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, now I can do it right now.
28:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll pull up spot track.
28:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll pull up up coming for agents at tight end.
28:42
[SPEAKER_00]: But I know David and Joku leads that list.
28:45
[SPEAKER_00]: He wants out of Cleveland.
28:46
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to get his wish.
28:48
[SPEAKER_00]: He can catch.
28:49
[SPEAKER_00]: He can block.
28:49
[SPEAKER_00]: He can play in line.
28:50
[SPEAKER_00]: You can split him out.
28:51
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a team first guy.
28:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I would throw not before running back or receiver, but I would throw a nice two-year contract into Joker, fair amount of guaranteed money, because he would be an instant upgrade over Evan Ingraham, and really give you that Joker quality that you miss with Evan Ingraham.
29:09
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm looking at the unrestricted free agents right now.
29:11
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of them.
29:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I keep scrolling, man.
29:15
[SPEAKER_00]: But these are the guys you have in a joku Travis Kelsey no go I mean obviously going on 37 but he's he's broken down even if he wasn't a chief The joku I mentioned Dallas got her he's 31 going on 32 he's an interesting Some a player to consider, but just he have more upside than The joku no does he have more upside than Evan Ingram.
29:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know
29:38
[SPEAKER_00]: He's maybe more reliable as a down the seam in seam pass catcher, but not a guy that I would target over in in joku and not a guy that I would target over city and the draft to be quite honest with you.
29:50
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to taste some hill, he's ancient.
29:53
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be 36 and he's been tattered by injuries.
29:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Tyler, Higby, Kyle Pitz, that's another guy.
30:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I know Scott's very acquainted with him.
30:03
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people are if you've played fantasy or if you followed his career, first round pick, believe top 10 pick, right?
30:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Number eight overall, Scott, four.
30:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so even even more pressure on him, that's why he really didn't perform up until this season.
30:18
[SPEAKER_00]: You started to see the returns kind of materialized, but still he hasn't reached a ceiling, still a young player.
30:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me pull that back up really quickly.
30:26
[SPEAKER_00]: He's 25 going on 26.
30:28
[SPEAKER_00]: So he gives you what New Joker can't give you, what Evan Ingram can't give you, what Goddard can't give you.
30:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, whatever you want, but a sedic.
30:36
[SPEAKER_00]: can give you.
30:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, Kyle picks his intriguing for me.
30:39
[SPEAKER_00]: The only question I have with him is, he'll have competing offers.
30:43
[SPEAKER_00]: The Broncos will not be the only team in on him.
30:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they give him a considerable amount of money, if they make him a top eight, top five, top ten tight end by average annual value in the NFL, I worry with the other additions.
30:55
[SPEAKER_00]: The Broncos are going to make another players they have already.
30:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Are they going to get him the ball?
30:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Are they going to justify that sign it?
31:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And I worry about that with any Titan they would bring a board.
31:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And I worry about that with Evan Ingram.
31:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And those worries were materialized.
31:08
[SPEAKER_00]: There's only one ball of go around.
31:10
[SPEAKER_00]: And Sean Peyton loves spreading that ball.
31:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as Scott's pointing, that's a good point.
31:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Highest draft to tighten in history, Kyle Pizz.
31:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And there were glimpses where he showed why, but there were, I think, more glimpses why he showed why that's a bad idea to draft to tighten that high.
31:24
[SPEAKER_00]: But I would not mind it.
31:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I just wonder if you give him a good amount of money.
31:29
[SPEAKER_00]: You pay him like a top five, top seven, tight end.
31:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Is he gonna perform like a top five, type of top seven, tight end?
31:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you gonna get that ROI with Kyle Pizz?
31:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
31:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I would feel better about that with Brace Hall or a receiver that you bring aboard, Titan though, as we saw with Ingram.
31:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for as long as like Troutman or Croll, Nate Akins, as long as you have these jags around, these low-cost backups at Titan, Sean Payton's just as good with them as he is with Evan Ingram, apparently.
31:59
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my only pause with tight end.
32:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I rank it lower on the needs board then running back and receiver, but it's still on there.
32:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And on the open market, yeah, David and Joke number one, Kyle Pitz number two, probably Dallas got her number three.
32:15
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's a position you're going to maybe look to solve in the draft.
32:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And Sidique, we're going to get back to your point to put a bow on that.
32:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he doesn't fall, or maybe he gets to 25 or whatever or 23 and the Brock was pulled the trigger.
32:29
[SPEAKER_00]: We just don't know.
32:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And over the course of the off season, we'll have more of a clearer picture.
32:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I also see Noah Fant, former Brock was first round pick, he's gonna be a free agent as well.
32:41
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a very top heavy class at Titan.
32:44
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of older players,
32:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of a younger guys that really haven't materialized or blossomed yet, this is a position where if you can't get in the joku, if Kyle pits his too expensive, or you're not blown away by Dallas got her just draft a tight end.
32:59
[SPEAKER_00]: And don't wait until the seventh round, like they did with Caleb Loaner, I mean, use considerable capital on, um,
33:06
[SPEAKER_00]: on a tight end.
33:07
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not more important than a receiver running back.
33:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll be steadfast with that.
33:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And if we're blending both sides of the ball, I don't know that tight end is more important than inside lineback.
33:18
[SPEAKER_00]: if we're including that.
33:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, from what I've read from my class, Drake Green Laws are a release candidate.
33:25
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to make a move to bring back sternaud and singleton.
33:30
[SPEAKER_00]: That's scary.
33:31
[SPEAKER_00]: The possibility of going in a 2026, the year of our lore, 2026, and you're starting inside linebackers are Alex singleton and Justin sternaud.
33:41
[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty terrifying to me.
33:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know that I would put tight end above inside linebacker based on that.
33:47
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a need, but it's not blaring in your face.
33:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Five, five star fire, rental arm.
33:56
[SPEAKER_00]: If they can get a nojoku for a fair value or Kyle Pitch without breaking the bank, great.
34:01
[SPEAKER_00]: If they can't, and they have to settle for the draft or a lower end player, so be it.
34:08
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, where we got 34 minutes, or do that's crazy, I just looked up literally felt like a minute ago, and it was at 14 minutes.
34:15
[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy how fast you guys make this go.
34:18
[SPEAKER_00]: All credits to you guys.
34:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you all for tuning in with me tonight.
34:21
[SPEAKER_00]: We have Guy Eddie saying, I agree.
34:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Tyree Kill is a gamble because he won't be 100% or offensive line would be nice.
34:27
[SPEAKER_00]: That's another sneaky need guy.
34:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And thank you for bringing that up, offensive line.
34:32
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing at left guard?
34:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you keeping Ben Powers?
34:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you keeping Ben Powers and his current salary?
34:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you restructuring Ben Powers?
34:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you cutting Ben Powers?
34:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you opening up a competition, a soft competition for Ben Powers' job?
34:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you not opening up a competition?
34:50
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the question that no one's talking about because receiver and running back at the headlines and rightfully so, it's more important right now, but that's something they have to figure out
35:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, right tackle with McGlenshee, I get, there's a, there's an out or whatever.
35:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're going to bring him back.
35:10
[SPEAKER_00]: He was, he was good.
35:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Left tackle, obviously, they're, they're fine with garibles.
35:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Right guard, they're fine with Quinn miners.
35:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Left guard though.
35:17
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing with Ben Powers?
35:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Ever since he got back, I felt like the Broncos online got worse.
35:22
[SPEAKER_00]: He was supposed to be an upgrade.
35:24
[SPEAKER_00]: They were supposed to get worse without him in the lineup.
35:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought Palcho was playing better and a lot cheaper than Ben Powell was was.
35:32
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a question the Broncos are gonna have to answer.
35:34
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a question the Broncos are gonna have to record with themselves.
35:36
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, guys, thank you for bringing that up.
35:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, center.
35:40
[SPEAKER_00]: They did sign Wattenberg to an extension.
35:42
[SPEAKER_00]: He'll be grandfathered into the starting role.
35:46
[SPEAKER_00]: But A, number one, he's no Tyler Lindinbaum.
35:50
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not, to me, an elite center in the NFL.
35:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yet, he might be not yet.
35:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And number two, I don't feel comfortable with what's behind him.
36:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel comfortable with Alex Forsyth.
36:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Either as a backup or as a starter if Wattenberg went down.
36:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Broncos would be best serve to bring in a veteran center if they can find one now or maybe after June cuts June first cuts to provide some stability in that room some obviously some experience and also.
36:20
[SPEAKER_00]: kind of light the fire under Wattenberg a little bit.
36:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a full blown competition, but like I said, a soft competition, we've heard of a soft benching before, not a hard benching, this is a soft competition.
36:31
[SPEAKER_00]: You have the lingering in the background, like, hey Luke, you're still the starter, but if you don't play a little better, if your game doesn't rise to here, then this guy's probably gonna come in and get a look and he might be replaced.
36:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the motivation that Wattenberg needs.
36:46
[SPEAKER_00]: He's done nothing to rest on those laurels.
36:48
[SPEAKER_00]: He's done nothing to earn a no-down starting job and not be pushed at all.
36:53
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a top three or five center in the NFL.
36:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe top 10, but not top three or five.
36:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, guy, thank you for bringing that up.
37:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Offensive priorities.
37:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we talked about receiver and running back and tight end, but you have to include offensive line as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be nice if the Broncos drafts at a tackle for once.
37:15
[SPEAKER_00]: What else?
37:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I said we have Cody Dobb, $5 super thank you Cody.
37:19
[SPEAKER_00]: It really helps us out tonight.
37:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Appreciate that super hope you're having a great Wednesday.
37:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Harrison Jr. trade he's young and possibly worth the draft picks, just not sure if his stats is a crap team thing or he is a bust.
37:32
[SPEAKER_00]: More of an Harrison Jr.
37:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe you're talking about.
37:35
[SPEAKER_00]: That's interesting.
37:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't really considered that as a possibility if only because
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[SPEAKER_00]: If the Broncos are going to make that trade number one, they would only be convicted if it's a a sure thing, don't be naive enough to believe they're not still a little gun shy from the Russell Wilson disaster and also as much as Sean Payton's worked out not having the draft pick from the Sean Payton trade did set them back a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if they are going to make a big move for a receiver, I feel like ownership and George Payton and Sean Payton, that move would have to be for a more proven guy.
38:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And for as great as Harrison could be, and I agree Cody, I think some of that did have to do with the environment.
38:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Kyler Murray is a toxic quarterback to me that coaching staff with Jonathan Ganon that was a toxic environment, but from what I saw Michael Wilson, who exactly he came in there was putting up like 150 yards every single week from either Kyler Murray or I believe it was Jacobi Perced at DACA or whatever backup they had he was producing every week and Marvin Harrison Jr. wasn't
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of pressure that he has to be a first round pick, a high first round pick, to have the the Harrison Jr. name and the legacy to live up to a Hall of Fame father, the footsteps and shadow that you're you're coming out of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that I want to gamble.
38:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that I want to be that guinea pig for more Marvin Harrison Jr. Let Arizona be that guinea pig.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he becomes a great player, that's more power to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're in the NFC.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have to worry about them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he buss though, then
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, if, if, if, if I'm the Broncos GM, and I think maybe George Peyton and and ownership feels the same way, if I'm the Broncos GM, if I am going to make a trade for a receiver, it's got to be a proven guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, get me a JJ, get, in a, in a fantasy land, get me a Garrett Wilson, get me a Jalen Waddle, get me a Chris Olavek, get me a Drake London, get me an AJ Brown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those guys are all proven, at least way more than Marvin Harris
39:42
[SPEAKER_00]: See we have Glenn from Down Under.
39:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Good afternoon, Zach, and Brock is country.
39:47
[SPEAKER_00]: There is a really good center and guard options in the draft.
39:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Ben Powers has to go financially, he didn't play as well as exactly as Palcho, exactly Glenn.
39:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad I'm not the only one who made that observation.
39:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure I'm not, but it's just the offensive line was just way more consistent.
40:02
[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't as much pressure in Bowenix's face when Palcho was in the lineup.
40:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt like the running lanes were a little more defined for RJ Harvey and whatever running back was up that week.
40:15
[SPEAKER_00]: When Ben Powers came back, and I don't know if it was rust or maybe the O line, maybe bowls and Wattenberg developed a chemistry with Palcho in the meantime, I don't know, but it seemed like there was a major downturn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would lean if they could, if they want to keep Ben Powers for another year and try to get some ROI on that signing, restructure him, free up some cap room, and you have a guy in Palcho as a backup who can push him or step in if he gets hurt again.
40:41
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that's a question like I talked about like like guy asked everyone's bringing up receiver running back in Titan, no one's talking about the Broncos offensive line right now and they should at least left guard.
40:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Glenn says the line was horrendous for city two and powers was leaked.
40:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
40:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's be honest with ourselves here pretty much the entire offensive line.
41:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe with the exception of Garrett Bowles They were pretty bad against New England New England's defensive line won the trenches It is what it is.
41:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they were all demoralized the Broncos without bonix I don't really know I choose to forget that game.
41:16
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the PTSD kind of trigger
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[SPEAKER_00]: but minors I remember being really bad that game to definitely not like the Quinn minors we know but then powers if we had a pick one week link it arguably wasn't Wattenberg it was powers the big for agent signing and at the time I thought man Mike Maglinchie is going to be the guy that's going to be the week link he's going to be the guy that's going to be the bus signing of the two no Maglinchie's been to me way more consistent
41:41
[SPEAKER_00]: at tackle, then Ben Powers has at guard.
41:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And good good point here by Chuck Hartman.
41:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Nick Gargulo is a good guard.
41:50
[SPEAKER_00]: We already have on the roster he was hurt last year.
41:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's dependent on the injury though, right?
41:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Chuck, like if if he has a setback, he's not going to be at the same level.
41:59
[SPEAKER_00]: If even, you know, he might not be regardless.
42:02
[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's a tough injury for even an offensive lineman.
42:05
[SPEAKER_00]: to come back from.
42:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I know the Broncos were very high on him.
42:08
[SPEAKER_00]: He looked good in preseason.
42:09
[SPEAKER_00]: There still could be a ceiling for Gargulo, Gargulo.
42:13
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm talking about players or I want to talk about players that we saw in action that I know are healthy and at guard if they can't cut it with power's man, Palcho was
42:24
[SPEAKER_00]: He looked better than him for a lot cheaper and a lot more cost effective.
42:29
[SPEAKER_00]: DJ Coppo $5 super thank you so much and really quickly I want to pause where at 42 going on 43 minutes.
42:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll call this the two-minute warning.
42:37
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be an hour long pod like I said.
42:39
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a very active pod I understand that but
42:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to call it here.
42:42
[SPEAKER_00]: If you guys have been in last minute, super chats, comments, questions, concerns, considerations, please get them in.
42:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And Scott and I will do our best to tackle each and every one.
42:51
[SPEAKER_00]: But DJ Koppel, thank you so much for the $5 super.
42:54
[SPEAKER_00]: What's up, Brock is fam?
42:55
[SPEAKER_00]: David Nenjoku for Titan and Rashid, Juheed for receiver, let Mims keep hunt returns.
43:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Rashid was my neighbor in New Orleans.
43:03
[SPEAKER_00]: His personality fits the brotherhood.
43:04
[SPEAKER_00]: That's cool to know.
43:06
[SPEAKER_00]: DJ, it seems like a good guy.
43:07
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like a cool guy.
43:08
[SPEAKER_00]: He might stay in Seattle, though.
43:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw something that he would love to stay with the Seahawks and I could understand why they traded for him and he just want to superbow it them.
43:17
[SPEAKER_00]: But this was also a player that I wanted the Broncos who pursued before the trade deadline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Last year before he went to Seattle, and they didn't.
43:26
[SPEAKER_00]: But,
43:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I like the logic though.
43:28
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to rely on Marvin Mims.
43:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Although, here's where the argument comes in.
43:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of us, I know Chad has been beating this drum a lot and I agree.
43:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of us believe that Marvin Mims should be getting more touches on offense, not less.
43:42
[SPEAKER_00]: He should be known for more than just a punt return, not less.
43:48
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you bring in Rashid, you could still use him and Mims and Troy Franklin.
43:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I just wonder if there is one big splurge to make at receiver.
43:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that Rashid would be my plan A, but he would definitely help open up the offense down the field for Bonix.
44:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely freaking right.
44:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for that comment, DJ.
44:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Kirk Shaw saying, let's go Broncos from Toronto, Canada.
44:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, MHH is a state of being.
44:15
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the truncated expression.
44:17
[SPEAKER_00]: As you guys know by now, we are heard all over the world.
44:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to you guys, it's truly humbling, it's truly amazing.
44:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, literally every corner of the world it seems.
44:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And Kirk, you're checking in from Toronto.
44:27
[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you for that.
44:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Phil, I'm going to see you Phil.
44:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Good evening, Zach, and Dean can Scott.
44:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Will we tag?
44:34
[SPEAKER_00]: McMillan be tags paid or traded in your opinion also is McAfrey being traded to Kansas City.
44:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't heard that about Christian McAfrey going to the chiefs.
44:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I have heard they might be in on Travis ETN as a free agent signing.
44:48
[SPEAKER_00]: He would be probably really effective there.
44:50
[SPEAKER_00]: He fits their offense a lot like a glove actually, but I haven't heard anything about McAfrey.
44:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, that wouldn't be good.
44:58
[SPEAKER_00]: That wouldn't be good at all.
45:04
[SPEAKER_00]: in the NFL.
45:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just what he does as a past catcher as a runner.
45:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's on a freight of block.
45:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Problem is, so many injury concerns, but I've always been a fan of CMAC, even dating back to his college days, obviously ties his dad with the Broncos.
45:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't heard that with McMillan with Jake Juan, not going to be franchise tags.
45:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely not.
45:26
[SPEAKER_00]: The Broncos will not tag anyone more than likely or transition tag for that matter.
45:31
[SPEAKER_00]: traded probably not because you can't rely on Jade Baron as the primary slot corner just yet.
45:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you mean, uh, I maybe I just realized I read that wrong.
45:42
[SPEAKER_00]: You mean, uh, tag as an RFA tags restricted free agent.
45:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, in that case, yes, franchise tag, no, but we talked about this on again, they're all running together.
45:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Monday or Sunday, he likely get a second round tender if the Broncos are worried about another team trying to sign him.
45:59
[SPEAKER_00]: If they put an original roundtender on him, he was an undrafted for agent, the Broncos we get nothing.
46:04
[SPEAKER_00]: They'd have a week or five days, whatever it is, to match, they get nothing.
46:08
[SPEAKER_00]: A second roundtender means a team can sign them to an offer sheet, if the Broncos decline to match, they would get a second round pick and return.
46:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of a win-win.
46:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Although, if I had my drillers, if I'm George Payton, I'm extending J. Kwon McMillan.
46:21
[SPEAKER_00]: You can let Jade Baron continue to develop in this secondary.
46:25
[SPEAKER_00]: You can afford to pay another guy and that guy to me.
46:28
[SPEAKER_00]: He deserved it.
46:29
[SPEAKER_00]: He earned it.
46:29
[SPEAKER_00]: He was the best Broncos defensive back in the playoffs.
46:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I would pay Jay Mack.
46:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd give him a nice two or three year deal.
46:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Show him some guaranteed money.
46:37
[SPEAKER_00]: He from undrafted for age to what he is now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the best slot corner in the NFL.
46:42
[SPEAKER_00]: He deserved to be around Denver for the long term.
46:46
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, where are we at?
46:47
[SPEAKER_00]: 46, again, guys.
46:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Last call for comments and questions.
46:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to wind it down in just a few minutes.
46:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to get to my matters of business.
46:52
[SPEAKER_00]: But Kirk's saying, what about picking up Alvin Camerra from the New Orleans Saints, hard past for me, Kirk?
46:58
[SPEAKER_00]: In the same way, I don't want Debo Samuel or Mike Evans or some of these other running backs like Nick Chub.
47:06
[SPEAKER_00]: It's because if it's not three, four years ago, and that's an eternity in the NFL, that's a lifetime in the NFL so much can and does change in the course of three, four or five years.
47:18
[SPEAKER_00]: If it was then, I wouldn't mind some of these players, but it's not, it's 2026.
47:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: and you have to think forward thinking about how some of these players apply to your team, what they can offer you going forward, not just now.
47:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And let me tell you something.
47:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know I bring this up a lot.
47:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in a lot of fantasy leagues, full disclosure.
47:40
[SPEAKER_00]: In my MHH1, the one I care about the most, I had Camara as a, I don't know, fourth or fifth round pick.
47:45
[SPEAKER_00]: He was my RB2.
47:47
[SPEAKER_00]: He was supposed to produce because he did the previous year.
47:49
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been kind of slowly,
47:52
[SPEAKER_00]: falling off, but last season man, if you watched him, the cliff hit him hard, or he hit the cliff hard, the wall, whatever.
48:01
[SPEAKER_00]: He is not the same player he used to be in 2017, 2018, 2019.
48:05
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not the same player Sean Payton helped draft.
48:08
[SPEAKER_00]: So now, I would throw ungodly amounts of money at Breeze Hall before I would settle on a one-year deal for Alvin Camerra, if they can get him from
48:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, what it's Ronnie saying, bring in Dean or Devin Bush, I like Devin Lloyd.
48:27
[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't sign linebacker if he's not too expensive.
48:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably problem is he, he'll, he'll be too expensive.
48:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a position the Broncos can draft or cannot address them.
48:36
[SPEAKER_00]: A draft if they so choose.
48:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Ronny say, I would love Nicobie Dean or Kate Nellis.
48:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wrote about them for the website.
48:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, aggregation-wise, one outlet length the broadcast to Kate Nellis, who would link up with his brother, Jonah Ellis, interesting player.
48:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of profiles the same way, except Kate and his an inside linebacker, where as Jonah is an outside linebacker.
48:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Nicobie Dean, another inside linebacker.
49:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me tell you something about him though, and I talked about him a few pods ago.
49:04
[SPEAKER_00]: He sent up the Super Bowl, I'd be intrigued about coming the Denver if I don't resign with Philly.
49:09
[SPEAKER_00]: If you guys don't like Drake Greenlaw, you're not going to like Nicole B.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dean.
49:13
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same kind of player.
49:14
[SPEAKER_00]: He can cover.
49:15
[SPEAKER_00]: He can hit.
49:15
[SPEAKER_00]: He's really good when he's on the field.
49:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's younger.
49:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Chuck, you're right, but he has a lot of injury concerns and he's always one snap away from missing a majority or all of the season.
49:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Although he'd be cheaper than Devin Lloyd and as you mentioned, Chuck, he's only 25.
49:31
[SPEAKER_00]: There's lots of like about Nicobie Dean.
49:33
[SPEAKER_00]: But you got to figure out inside lineback or man because it's looking like they might cut green law, they might not, but it's looking like they might bring back singleton and sternot and give them a promotion or a raise or whatever, however, my clist termed it.
49:47
[SPEAKER_00]: That's scary.
49:47
[SPEAKER_00]: The possibility of going into 2021 with sternot and singleton as your starter.
49:52
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to figure out what you're doing there.
49:53
[SPEAKER_00]: If Dean comes cheap enough and you can get some medical assurances from him,
50:01
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's going to do with guys for this episode of of I was going to say kelvin's corner of the mile high hotel podcast.
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50:28
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51:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, let me take one last look as we like to do around here.
51:33
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Rodney's saying what I trade Riley Moss because this was the, uh, the, the proposition from ESPN.
51:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll close on this, Rodney.
51:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for asking.
51:42
[SPEAKER_00]: This was the proposition from Bill Bowrenwell of ESPN.
51:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Chad wrote it up a few days ago.
51:48
[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about it or one of these podcasts covered it.
51:52
[SPEAKER_00]: He proposed the Broncos trade Riley Moss and a second round pick for AJ Brown from the Eagles and a draft pick.
51:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was a 2027 fifth round pick.
52:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And basically, the argument is, would you include Rally Moss and a deal, either for a receiver or whatever, just to get it some draft capital?
52:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know.
52:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of torn on that.
52:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I really am.
52:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking I'm literally trying to do the pros and cons of my head right now.
52:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to come up with different arguments.
52:21
[SPEAKER_00]: My first thought that came to me, I paused, but if you could guarantee like if it was for a CD lamb, obviously in that package, and yeah, I'm shipping out Riley Moss, I'll take my chances.
52:32
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're trading for an AJ Brown, who's a tier below a CD lamb, a tier below a JJ, I don't know.
52:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Only because
52:44
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we talk about John A. Barry, but is he ready?
52:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
52:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And what is he?
52:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Is he a slot corner?
52:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Is he an outside corner?
52:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Is he going to be a safety like a crime jacks and later in his career?
52:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
52:56
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know what he is yet.
52:57
[SPEAKER_00]: is Chris Abram's drain ready to step into a full-time starting roll if they trade rally mosque?
53:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
53:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the upside of Chris.
53:07
[SPEAKER_00]: But I just haven't seen enough from him.
53:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't mean that like ability wise.
53:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean literally, I haven't seen enough tape of CAD to say, yeah, you know what?
53:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm comfortable trading a guy in Raleigh, Moss, who this comes down to your opinion.
53:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a quality corner back to in the NFL.
53:27
[SPEAKER_00]: do I think he's D on Sanders or Darrell Revis?
53:29
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he'll never be.
53:30
[SPEAKER_00]: But you need a quality corner back too.
53:33
[SPEAKER_00]: You need a Robin to the Batman that is Patrick Surtin.
53:38
[SPEAKER_00]: You could do a lot worse than Rally Moss.
53:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Rally Moss is still shown you more good than bad.
53:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And if the referees weren't targeting him each and every single freaking week, they were calling games fairly or not so flag-happy, the penalty problem wouldn't be a problem.
53:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Is he still too grabby?
53:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but he's done everything to improve that.
54:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he put on boxing gloves and practice.
54:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Team first guy loves the Broncos embraces the city of Denver goes to avalanche games.
54:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Very fan friendly guy.
54:09
[SPEAKER_00]: He's he's so relatable.
54:11
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a guy that you know you shoot the you know what with at the bar at three o'clock in the morning and talk about life.
54:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm big fan of Rally Moss, not perfect by any means, but a quality number two.
54:25
[SPEAKER_00]: If you had a backup that you've been grooming,
54:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we talked about trading Jonathan Cooper on yesterday's pot or Monday's pot.
54:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And the only reason I'd be okay with that is because you've groomed a guy actually two guys behind him in Jonah Ellis and Ziongere Tilman, Donjere Tilman.
54:45
[SPEAKER_00]: You haven't really groomed that guy to that level behind Rally Moss.
54:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Chris Averm's drain is still a theory.
54:53
[SPEAKER_00]: He's still a hypothetical.
54:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Could he be a quality quarterback too?
54:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, absolutely.
54:58
[SPEAKER_00]: but all we have is glimmers to go on and hypotheticals and hope.
55:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, it depends.
55:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Ron, and answer your question, it depends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it was for, if I knew I'd be getting a tier one receiver in the NFL, if it was contingent on trading for JJ including Riley Moss and the deal, yeah, sorry Riley, you're gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No doubt about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if it's for a lower tier receiver, I'm probably keeping Riley and I'm making up for it elsewhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's my honest opinion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we'll put a bow on on the topic lens saying Moss has elevated his game year on year and even in season with his penalties, I only trade him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ex, man, we are really in lockstep tonight, Glenn, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would only include him in a trade package if I knew I was getting a JJ if I knew I was getting a tomorrow chase.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I knew I was getting a CD lamb, if I knew I was getting a premier, I mean, one of the two or three best receivers in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm leaning toward keeping Riley Moss, but again, guys, that's going to do it for me this evening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I went on even longer than I thought, and that's because of you, it goes so fast, and I love the conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shad and I will be back on together, normal setup, normal podcast, same time, same place, 6pm, Mountain APM Eastern, two tomorrow night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope you guys have a great rest of your Wednesday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We will see you tomorrow, take care, and as always, go Broncos.
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