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- Hey there, everybody. We are recording this podcast on Thursday, June twenty second, twenty twenty three. The content that you are hearing may have changed a little bit by the time you listen to this. We hope you enjoy the show. All right, everybody, you're listening to Table Talk here at the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest running weekly Philly sports podcast show in the world, that's right over ten years strong. We got a great table talk discussion and interview coming your way this week. Look the Philadelphia Flyers. They've been doing some pretty decent things in this offseason so far. It's very surprising. I know it's very surprising to us fans. The draft is right around the corner here, and when some of you are listening to this, perhaps the draft is going to be over. But my guest this week and I wanted to talk about and dissect the long term future of the Flyers, not just what's gonna happen this season, but what we may be looking at down the road a year from now, two years from now, perhaps even three years from now. What is the vision of this team. Who's going to be a part of it. We got a great discussion coming your way, let's get to it. It is great to have on the podcast, coming to us for the very first time from one of our favorite sites out there, broadstreet Hockey dot Com. I am a subscriber. Love all the folks over there, They've been so good to us over the years. On this podcast, we've got mister Nick Carroll. How you doing? Nick doing great? Jeff, thanks for having me. You got it man, and folks. Nick is a great follow on Twitter at Nick J. Carroll. He is a great, great follow, great great writer for Broadstreet Hockey dot Com. And man, it's it's good to talk to you. Good to have you on the podcast for the first time because you know, as my co host Lenn and I last week, we're talking about this upcoming draft, just where the direction of this team is really going. And that's why I wanted to bring you on. You've written some pretty interesting articles on Broadstreet Hockey dot Com. But actually, Nick, before we get into that, I wanted to start a sell off with something that was unveiled by the Philadelphia Flyers this past week, and I really thought the folks that did the video unveiling for the Flyers new Jerseys, I thought they did a freaking great job with the video. I mean, I have a small business where I'm a videographer of a small business. On the side, I do video work. I was like, oh my gosh, this video is fantastic. I liked the jerseys that were unveiled as well. I don't know. I'm like, I'm like, what is this going on with me? I'm like liking what this team is doing here in this offseason. They're reeling me in. They're reeling me in here. Nick. Look, I don't think anyone likes the independence blue cross patch and logo that sticks out like a sore thumb. But overall, the new jerseys look good to me. What are your thoughts on the new jerseys. How'd you feel when you saw everything? Yeah, orange, flack and blue doesn't exactly have the same ring to it, but I think they look really good. I agree with you. I think it really calls back one in error that I think probably when we were growing up, it's those were our formative memories of watching the Flyers. You hear the wind draws highlights in the background, and it's just it's those are the teams that I remember growing up, not necessarily the Brown Street Bullies teams and honestly, the last ten years, I think we're all trying to forget about. So it kind of threads that go to these jerseys harken back one and I think pretty fond memories for a lot of a lot of people in our age range. Yeah, and it's a nice little touch up. I think the numbers on the shoulders are a little weird. I like the ones more than the orange ones. It almost feels like they were given a budget for these jerseys. They mud have exhausted it and just the plain black number was the cheapest option just to get this project finished. But ultimately I do think they look pretty good. I love the burnt orange, man, I love that burnt orange. You know they're gonna they're gonna pull me in when it comes to burnt orange, for sure. So all right, Glad we got that out of the way. Nick wanted to bring you on talk about long term planning of this Flyers team. You know, Danny Brier as the new GM, just new leadership coming forth and doing some pretty good things in this offseason. And I thought it was interesting is that you wrote a great article on Broadstreet Hockey in early June titled Brier's first hundred days will shape the future of the franchise, and you talked about, you know, the different levels that Brier could take this rebuild in order to take this team to the next level which we want to see in the future, which is a level of success. So if you can kind of take us through everything there, tell us about some of those options that you laid out in your article and what you think this long term rebuild will end up looking like. Yeah, Jeff, I think it's a really interesting time to follow the Flyers, mostly because we don't know what Threeer's background is. Really, he's the only NHL front office he's worked in has been this front office. Yeah, and I'd like to think it's safe to say that's probably not going to influence his team building, his team building a foundation going forward. So I'm curious to see what his values are. Does he value smaller guys? Does he values skilled guys? That's the kind of player he was. He wasn't that you know, two hundred foot two way player. He was a skilled player. He's a guy who moved it wings sometimes because you know, you couldn't really live with his defense at center. Interesting type of perspective for a general manager doesn't really fit in with the typical, you know, hockey, old school hockey guy mantra. So I'm really curious to see this first offseason. I think is going to give us a great idea of what exactly his priorities are going to be. And you mentioned all right, So the way I'm looking at it is there are a couple of ways it can approach this offseason, right, So, I think we all expect they're going to try to move Kevin Hayes's That's a no brainer. Didn't measure the coach big contract. Even if they have to eat some of the salary, eat some of the salary, you try to get something back in return. That's a no brainer. Makes a lot of sense. I think, you know, no matter who was here, that's that's what they'd be trying to do. Now, how much how far deep are we going to go into this? Are we going to we obviously trade a prover off at this point. Okay, So it's not just, you know, simply we're selling off the pieces that no longer fit here. We are actively put like pushing back the window for contention for this team. For overall, it's going who's next? Could it be Scott Wawton, Could it be Travis Sandheim. Guys who have a little bit, you know, who aren't necessarily at the end of their peak, but at the same time could probably get you some value. You don't necessarily need to trade them. They could come, you know, they could be valuable for a winning team, this team if you turn it around in two or three years. But that's probably an aggressive out timeline if you're thinking about how long it's going to take for them to get back to where we want to see this team. Absolutely, yeah, go ahead, go ahead. The last option is are we going scorched earth? We just saw the Blackhawks trade you know, a young young sniper like alex To Brinkett um To more or less say, you know what, we're putting our chips in. We want Connor Bdard. We want to you know, totally blow things up. We're looking for you know, Alisa Brinkin tech of a player, really you know, really good piece for a long term team. But you know what, we need a generational piece. We need the foundational piece for this team. Is that the outlook here? And if that's how we're looking at this, then Travis connecting's on the table. Carter Heart's on a team. Anybody's on the table. This team could be awful next year. Anybody can absolutely Yeah, yeah, it's definitely yeah. I was gonna say it's interesting. You know our friend of the podcast here, Kelly Hankle, who's you know, doing a great job at Broadstreet Hockey dot com. I remember reading a recent tweet from her, and she's been on the pod, you know a number of times already this year, as we're talking about the future of the Flyers and as we're talking about what direction they're going to go in, and her tweets said, everybody needs to calm down about the process, something along the lines. If everybody needs to calm down about possibly losing Carter Heart to trade. I would hate it, but I understand it, you know, I because you know, I remember the brisgol Of days. You know, the Steve Mason days weren't all that great, you know, a serviceable goaltender, and we have who I believe is going to be a very very good goaltender in the future. Yes, there are some red flags right now with him. Might it be a good chance and opportunity for the Flyers to gain some assets, absolutely, but everybody's on the table right now, every single Flyer basically is on the table to possibly be traded in order to gain assets. And it leads me to what from a macro perspective, Danny Brier is going to do, Like, what does that team look like in the future for him? Is it a forward thinking type of not just a team, but the talent that he's going to be bringing Nick is it going to be And we don't know this yet, you know, is it gonna Is this Flyers team going to look more modern day Flyers or are we going to be stuck in purgatory basically? Like That's That's where I'm at from like a macro standpoint. We're not going to know that for quite some time, but I'm hoping it is. I'm hoping Danny Brier takes some more modern day approach to his general manager duties. That's That's where I'm coming from. Jeff totally agree, and I think that's that's part of why I look at this the first hundred days and that that timeline of here's a time period where we're probably going to have a pretty good idea of how modern is this organization going to be. Are they going to be the type that looks at you know, smaller skilled guys or are they looking or are we drafting more, you know, the type of more traditional pieces that we've seen that you know, the big hulking defenseman can't really play the puck too well, Yeah, you're you're guys who have a little bit more size the skill who knows if it's going to come along. And I think that they had tended away from drafting those guys in recent years. But at the same time, I think there is a little bit of concern when you see, Okay, who who's freer surrounding himself by Obviously John Claire is now in the organization, Patrick Sharp is in the organization old school hockey guys, and it makes you order, is this Are they here more or less to reinforce Brier's opinion? Are they here as you know, figureheads, to try to connect the fan base that grew up watching Leclair or can recognize Sharp from you know, not necessarily as days as a flyer, but as a black Hawk where obviously as a very productive player. Stuff to say and circling back going heart, I totally agree. I think that you know, he is a good goalie. I think there's no question about it. Actually wrote about this, and I think it was December or January that it might be time to consider that that move if you are going to rebuild. And when we look at a forward thinking organization, it's not necessarily Okay, how many games we're gonna win in twenty twenty three, twenty four. Okay, if we have Carter Heart here and he plays above average goal to an above average goalie for us, but that season, well, is that going to hurt our you know, our lottery odds? Is that going to hurt? And is he the type of guy that three years from now we're talking about Carter Heart's a franchise Goal's a difference between Carter Harpe and the twelfth best goalie in the league, which you know it's probably in that range. Or is he a top five goalie? Is he getting Bezna votes? Right? That's that's a totally different category. And he hasn't reached that level yet great point. So yeah, he's young. He could still get there, that's not out of the question, but there's no guarantee he's going to be that guy. And when you look around a league he's on a cost control contract for a few more years. Obviously, with a flatcap error that we're in right now, a contender might be interested. He's a guy who's you know, he's won in hesitate to go to the junior level right now, but he has won in big games in the junior level in the past. He had a great, great playoff in the bubble with Flyers. Somebody could talk themselves into this could be the guy that gets us over the hump um and you could get a haul for a guy like that. Yeah, young guy, potential building block if you if you really believe he's going to take that step. And also it depends what do you think about Sam Merson. You know, what do you think about some young goaltending prospects that you have in the organization. It's it's an interesting question if they have to ask themselves this offseason, and I think it really will tell us a lot about the way that they view team building. Absolutely, and I guess that's a good segue into what that next shoe is going to drop, you know for this team in terms of you know, offloading contracts, getting the team more financially secure for the future. Potentially you know, obtaining some future assets here. So I'm wondering where do you think that next shoe is going to drop here in terms of the talent that's already here on this Flyers team. I mean, obviously getting rid of Kevin Hayes is probably right up there, right towards the top. Perhaps trading Travis Connectney is up there as well. You mentioned even Travis Sandheim too in terms of his contract. So what kind of assets should we be looking at and expecting this offseason with what the Flyers could potentially do a year? So it's interesting. It depends on the type of the player that you're trading. I guess if you're trading a Connecne, you're looking to get back, you know, you're not looking to clear the books necessarily. You're looking I think top ten, top fifteen pick. Absolutely, maybe another prospect, maybe not quite god a break a trade, but probably something'll pretty similar within you know, feeling the vibration of that trade a year later, he has a few he has more term on his contract. It's a reasonable deal. I think that that's that's a guy that you're looking to, say, you know what, he probably could help us in four years if you have this rebuild goes well, but it's not a guarantee that in four years you're going to be at that point and he's going to be out a new contract at that point. Who knows. You're looking at that point, you're looking for a haul. You're looking to say, we're gonna get that next generation of Flyers. They're all gonna be in between eighteen and twenty two, and when this pans out, they're all gonna be twenty three, twenty four. We're probably looking five six years. That's where that connecting trade would help you. Yeah, in Scott Lawton, similar deal. We're gonna get to him too a bit because I know you wrote about him. Yes, yeah, all right, maybe we'll save that. And I think there's talk about a guy Kevin Hayes. You're just looking at clear, clear salary. If you get anything, you take it. At this point, the fit's not good. Um. You do have some young players that will be coming up in the system at some point, whether whether it be an Elliot Dan or yer Um or an ill An Ali Likezel or a player like that who you know what. You want to give guys an opportunity to break through in the lineup. Um, and Hayes is a guy that you're probably not going to scratch on a nightly basis. Yeah, Um, so it does. It does give you a little bit of inflexibility to keep him around. But we'll see. I think at that point you're trying to clear that that contract off the books. Travis Sandheim is a that's a tough one. He had a he had a miserable year. You know, no, two no, two ways around it. If after signing that long term deal, um, no movement clause kicks in July. First, it's not there's two ways around it. That could be Chuck. That could be Chuck Fletcher's worst That could actually be his worst deal in contract that he gave to a Flyers player as general manager. Actually, yeah, and it really felt like it showed a lack of understanding of where the organization was and where it was going. And I think that you know, um, I've seen recently just you know, everybody's now speculating, all right, well this maybe maybe Chuck Fletcher knew that there was a chance Provrov wasn't here in a long term. Well if that's the case, in trade prover off in the first place, right, why is he even here if you're going to give Sandheim the long term deal because you think prover Rall was gonna leave that just trade prov role where he knews his value even more? What are we doing here? Um? And and we can we can talk about the chuck the chuck fletch ions were blue in a face exactly. Let's not do that. But where you are with Sandheim right now, He's still a guy, it's a long contract. The money might not be bad if he's if he is the second pair defenseman that he had been he just wasn't last year. Yeah, is there going to be another team in the league that will say, you know what, bad situation, bad team. Maybe we get him in here with a little bit more structure, we can get more out of him. I don't know. It's a tough market to judge. He might be a guy who has more value in Debruary if he play February, if he plays decent hockey than he does right now. But you give up the opportunity to move him before that no move, no move clause kicks in and for you know, for teams just won't have the same salary available. Probably at that point, depending on you have your LTI R situations, you're you know what you accrue on a day to day basis. The market is just more difficult to project, and it is and assuming that a team will be able to take on Sandheim's eight year deal carrying a cap hit of about six men, right, so at that point in year, that's a major franchise changing contract, right, It's tough to do mid season. So that's it's tough to say with that market will be um, but I'm sure it sounds like we're open for business. Anything's possible, absolutely, And look, Nick, you recently wrote a great piece on Broadstreet Hockey about how Scott Lawton and let's get into him, you know, became a model flyer for this team to so many within Flyers Nation absolutely love him. But you also wrote that now it should be time for us to move on and say goodbye to him. It was an interesting piece that you wrote. So for those who may not have read your piece, can you give us some insights into why getting rid of Scott Lawton here? You know, perhaps with regard to this rebuild, would be looking towards something positive here for the Flyer's future. Yeah, I think Scott Lawn is such an interesting character study for me as a fan because you look at a guy it's so easy to write off a player as a bus when you get three four years after they're drafted, they don't really find their role in the lineup, and it's you squandering You might send him. He had a year in the NHL, didn't really stick, went back to the HL for a year, came back up. It's rare that you see a guy really carve out a niche in his mid twenties, but that's what Lawton did. He had his best season last year on a team that I mean, you can say he had more opportunity than he ever has in his career. But at the same time he ran with it became a very good shorthand shorthanded penalty killer excuse me, team with Travis connecting for a pretty dangerous counterattack pretty frequently throughout the year. You can tell throughout he was the only guy who had a letter on the front of his jersey. Um, he's kind of your idea of a modern day flyer, gritty on the four, check plays with speed, plays aggressive. Um, it's it's you know, not necessarily the guy who's gonna go out and throw heamakers every night, but he plays with a little sandpaper. He has a little bit of skill, right ideal for what you're looking for as a guy in the middle to bottom of your lineup. Now he's twenty nine, are you and we have to look at this seems like he's been around forever. He feels like he's been around forever, but he's twenty nine. You know, you know the aging curves of NHL players, it's usually at this point where you're probably on the back nine. Where are we looking here? If this team realistically it's probably going to be two or three years best case scenario, that's probably the time where we start seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. At that point, you're probably past Scott Lawn's peak. He's probably not coming off a season where he's putting up career best to us at numbers. He comes at a reasonable cat pit right now. Again, flat half world. In a couple of years, where teams have more space, maybe they're not as interested in getting guys under cost control contracts. This is a time opportunity where teams are probably looking at you know what you're Toronto's or teams at you know st Louis or as a team that might be drafting a little bit you know, later in the first as Toronto doesn't have to pick, but teams that might be drafting a little bit later in the first might be looking at this as, Okay, this is a guy that we might not have a ton of half space to spend this year. We might not be able to get. You know, we don't have We're not gonna have a draft pick that is going to be able to step in from day one. We are able to add a veteran that will play either wing or center anywhere in our lineup. Probably not a first line or but you can play on your second, third, fourth line, depending on how the night's going. He can, you know, play on your second power play, You can kill penalties for you can do a number of different things for you. That's a guy who has value around a league. And like we said, model flyer, everybody's looking for guys like that. You fit anywhere in the lineup, plays with some skill, plays with some great You talk about a guy like that, that sounds like a playoff flayer, right Like, you look at all these guys late you get to you know, the conference finals, and you know, the Cup Final and you start seeing oh Man every night, I see that guy gets a hit, you know, a big hit, or he scored twice this series, and like Man, Scott Lawton feels like it's everywhere. It's like Lake Coleman was for Tampa Bay for a few years. Oh yes, and and that guy might have more value to a winning team than he does this team. Right now. We can talk about the leadership that he would provide here and you know what, it's tough to really put that, you know, objectively measure that. But at the same time, the guys who are here right now might not be the guys who are here into are three years. It's going to be a changing of the guard. And you look at you know, when you bring in a guy even you know, I know he plays down the lineup, but in Nick de Laurier type, if he's here to be a pro, that's you know, that's the kind of guy that you might need to follow, you might you know, cam Atkinson's still here, Yeah, that's the kind of guy who you know, you will still have some vets in the locker room. This feels like a situation where you have the option to strike while the Iron's hot. Scott Lawn may never have more value than he does right now, and in all likelihood is probably not going to be the same guy when this team is ready to win again. Yeah, I would absolutely agree with you on that for sure. Again, folks, talking to Nick Carroll from Broadstreet Hockey dot Com at Nick J. Carroll on Twitter, give him a follow. He's a great, great follow, great great content as always over at Broadstreet Hockey dot Com. And moving along here, Nicks. As we look towards the Flyers prospects in the pipeline, I mean it's kind of it's kind of slim pickings, you know, here and there. There's some guys in Lehigh Valley who could arguably help this team in the future. But I think many of us may be looking towards a talent like hell Gronz, you know, the Swedish defenseman they acquired in the Ivan Provrov trade. I think he is a talent that is very worth looking at and to see, you know, if he is going to be a part of this rebuild in the future. He spent the last two seasons in the AHL playing for the Ontario Rain and there appears to be some promise for what he could specifically be for the Flyers down the road. Again, a talent that I'm going to be keeping my eye on for sure. Do you have any thoughts, whether it's on Gronze or how the prospect pool really needs to expand here for this Flyer's organization in the future. Yeah, of course. So I think with Gronze, you're probably looking at a guy. I think the way we need to look at right handed defenseman at this point is there's a left handed pitcher of hockey right right. You don't just get rid of these guys. And I mean the Kings are a little bit blessed. They have a lot of young right handed defenseman. They are an anomaly a little in the league. So he might he might have been squeezed, but at the same time, he did lose his ding a little bit. With any organization, they do have some young players that they tended to like more. But he gets opportunity here. The Flyers have a number of solid B level prospects that can play on the right side, um on the as defenseman between. You're looking at Ronnie Adder, who had a cup of coffee over the last couple of years, performed pretty well we'll see if you know he can you know, translate that to a bigger role in time. You're talking about Gronze as well, who you know as another guy who's probably gonna have a shot to you know, maybe compete for a first spot out of camp or at the very least we'll get big minutes in Lehigh Valley. You're talking about Yeager Zamula, who should be at this point, he should be on the NHL roster next year, especially with his with the ability, they don't they don't have the option to send him back to the HL. He's no longer way for exempt. That said, you're probably looking at him as a guy who is you know, you're looking for him to carve out a role at the NHL level. So they do have a couple of young defenseman that could play a role, and that's probably when you're looking at you know, whether it be they traded pro for all of already. Um, you know we talked about we talked about Sandheim. Tony D'Angelo is a guy that his name's been out there. Um h might might be a yep, might be blocking some some more promotions and you know that that obviously hasn't gone the way that they planned, right, But yeah, but they do have a few young defenseman um. Obviously you're probably not looking at anyone though, that is the type of top pair defenseman that all right, when if, if this team ever reaches a point where, all right, the Flyers are really a true contender, they don't really have that guy in the pipeline right now, there's not that, no doubt about it. Number one defenseman. UM. I forgot to mention a mil And Andre who's coming over from Sweden signed up. I'll see, probably going to be in the HL, but promising player. Um a little bit of of an interesting prospect. He's undersized only like by ten as a defenseman, you don't see that too often, but plays aggressively, had a good world juniors. We'll see that that's a guy who could potentially be a long term piece. But they probably do need a top end, top hair defenseman. But that's what the next few years or absolutely yeah, absolutely well to close us out here, Nick, you know we're gonna get some indication after the NHL and Flyers draft coming up here this week where the organization really does want to go in the future, we're gonna have even more of an idea about that, you know, when we come away from this draft, though, in terms of what I've been thinking, you know, as we look towards the rebuild, what it could be. How do you want to feel from this Flyer's front office about the future of the team when the draft is all said and done, Like what possible? Not not necessarily trying to pinpoint a specific move or anything like that, but as a Flyers fan, how do you want to feel after this draft is over? Like, obviously they don't want to give up anything that could potentially be positive for the rebuild. But I think there's momentum for this foundation that's been positive so far. This sees this offseason with Danny Breer and what he's done. I don't know, how do you want to feel after this draft. I want to feel like they have a cohesive plan. I want to feel like, all right, well we walk out of here on Thursday or Wednesday night, Thursday morning, whenever it whenever that point comes. We are looking at this team as you know what this year might be rough, but at the very least there's a plan here, there's a timeline. We'll see how how long it takes. These guys to hit. What types of players are they drafting? Are they drafting you know, are we are we prioritizing skill? Are we you know, we have Cutter Gauchier who's a year away and probably a year away. And obviously that was a pick that you know, you look at some of the prospect rankings and I know he went you know, he went six, and it was a guy that we were you know, you look at the Scott Wheelers and Corey Prahmin's and all the prophet rank Really I don't know as he really in top ten pick worked out so far and you know, they bet on tools and they work. Is that is that the the you know, modus operandi with this team at this point, or you know, as is under Briers are going to be a little bit of a different organization, are you know, are we talking about some of those you know, the two way players or however you may view it. You know, there's obviously the question about Mitchkoff, who's who's in this draft and could be an option for the Flyers. And I think obviously when we're talking about all right, if they're looking at the long view, all right, while we're talking two three, years, you know, until he's even able to be an option anyway. Well, at that point, it kind of gives you a timeline. You're you know, you have an organization where from top to bottom. You know, you're new in your job, You're probably not going to be on the hot seat. If you're Brier, Key Jones or whoever it may be, You're not gonna be on a hot seat for a few years. Right. You might have the leeway to make this pick and survive it and be able to see the end, see the reap the benefits of making that pick. But I think ultimately I want to see where they're going with this. Who's still here, who's gone? You know, we're probably going to see the majority of our moves between now and Wednesday at this point. You know, we're we're recording this on Thursday the twenty second, and we're probably looking at this at this point as all right, well, Provov's gone, but who else is still is going to go between now and the draft? And what does that mean for what this team becomes in two years, three years, four years, If Connecting's gone, probably a four year five year process if they hold on it. If they hold on to him, if you know Carter Hart again, different different situation there. But um, if some of the younger, younger veterans on this roster is still here, maybe they're looking to be a little bit more aggressive in their rebuild. But I think we'll have a better idea of what their plan is. And that's really what I'm looking for. Just I want everything to you know, make a lot, to have logical consistency, and I think after the last general manager's regime that was that was always the biggest issue and one move contradicted the next. I want to see, you know, one move compliment the next logical and flyers actually meshing together hasn't happened for quite some time, but we are certainly certainly looking forward to see that potentially happening, especially after this draft. Again, Nick, thank you so much for jumping on the podcast here, jumping on our table talk pod. It was great talking to you. Keep doing the great work you're doing, and I'd love to have you back on down the road, my friend. I love to come back to say so much for having me. Len and I were talking about it on our regular show this past week where we were using the word hope when it comes to this Flyers team and this organization where they're gonna be going in the future. And there is, folks, there is hope because there seems to be some sort of direction, some foundational direction that we've been seeing thus far. We'll see what happens with this draft. We're gonna see what happens with this offseason. Expectations we know are not going to be high for the twenty twenty four Flyers season. We know that, we know that, and it's okay. This team needs to rebuild. The fact that that word is being used in the building rebuild is a good thing. So that being said, we are going to end this show. 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