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Pamela Anderson, Doppelgänger Murder, She Faked Cancer · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have a great show.
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  Speaker 2: I have a great interview. Let's get into it. All right.
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  Speaker 2: I watched the Pamela Anderson Netflix doc. You can watch it.
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  Speaker 2: It just premiered last night. I believe they also had
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  Speaker 2: the actual premiere with the stars. which is really Pamela
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  Speaker 2: Lee and her sons, Brandon and Dylan. And as a
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  Speaker 2: boy mom, I absolutely loved it. I think the thing
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  Speaker 2: that you really get from the whole two-hour documentary about
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  Speaker 2: her life is what a dedicated mother she is, what
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  Speaker 2: a wonderful adult relationship she has with her kids today.
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  Speaker 2: The one son, Brandon, who's the older son, yes, it's
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  Speaker 2: Brandon and Dylan. Yes, I believe she was a 90210 fan,
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  Speaker 2: though she never said that. that Brandon, he is the
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  Speaker 2: producer of this. And he even said, I'm upset that
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  Speaker 2: my mom didn't make money off of the sex tape.
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  Speaker 2: And they do address the whole sex tape thing in
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  Speaker 2: which she reiterates again, which I always thought this was
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  Speaker 2: a big misunderstanding, that of course it was stolen against
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  Speaker 2: their will, but they also never then made a deal
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  Speaker 2: where they could profit from it. As you know, the
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  Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian story is the Tape got out. It got
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  Speaker 2: in the hands of the Vivid producer. And then they
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  Speaker 2: were like, well, if it's going to get out there,
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  Speaker 2: we might as well make money on it. Same with
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  Speaker 2: Paris Hilton. So she's like, that came after me. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't make a dime off of it. And I wouldn't have,
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  Speaker 2: even if they had presented me with $ 100 million, I
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  Speaker 2: would have never signed that. She was always very distraught
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  Speaker 2: that they're like Intimate Moments, which then they edited together
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  Speaker 2: for the movie, was put out there for the first
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  Speaker 2: DVD consumption and then internet consumption. So that was really great.
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  Speaker 2: And this was filmed during the time of the scripted
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  Speaker 2: Hulu show about Pamela and Tommy, which I saw. And
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  Speaker 2: at one point, Brandon calls her and he's like, Mom,
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  Speaker 2: I saw it. And, oh, my God, it's such bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they're trying to make it like the guy
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  Speaker 2: who stole your tape did it out of spite because
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  Speaker 2: dad was being a dick and not paying him. And
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  Speaker 2: she's like, I can't even take it. It's giving me
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  Speaker 2: so much anxiety. So what's really beautiful besides the relationship
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  Speaker 2: she has with her son, but also what's sad is
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  Speaker 2: that she and Tommy just had such an incredible love affair.
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  Speaker 2: And it was so immediate. And it was so toxic
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  Speaker 2: and he was jealous and he would come on the
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  Speaker 2: set of Baywatch and be like who she, you know,
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  Speaker 2: she'd be nervous if that day she had to kiss
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  Speaker 2: a guest star and the whole crew would be like, oh, fuck,
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  Speaker 2: Tommy's here. So as much as he loved her, there
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  Speaker 2: was a lot of possession of being possessive of her.
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  Speaker 2: And then this is really what broke them up for people,
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  Speaker 2: Juicy Scoop history, because I remember hearing this call that
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  Speaker 2: But they got in a wicked fight. He was being belligerent.
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  Speaker 2: And she called 911. And the phone was there, which
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  Speaker 2: we all heard the 911 call. And she's holding the
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  Speaker 2: new baby Dylan. And the other boy, Brandon, is a toddler.
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  Speaker 2: And he pushed her or kicked her. And she had
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  Speaker 2: a wound on her hand and a mark on her back.
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  Speaker 2: And he did end up doing like five to six
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  Speaker 2: months in prison and was apologetic and everything. But during
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  Speaker 2: that time, she was like, nope, no. not going to
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  Speaker 2: have my kids around this, which it's, you know, that's,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's what everybody's told to do. That's what
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  Speaker 2: you should do. But I mean, this is like a
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  Speaker 2: touchy subject, but it's like, wow. Then throughout the rest
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  Speaker 2: of her life, she's chasing all these, chasing that same
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  Speaker 2: kind of love. And she says, the only person I
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  Speaker 2: really loved was Tommy. He's the father of my kids.
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  Speaker 2: And I just was always trying to form that family again.
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  Speaker 2: And what was really kind of beautiful, it was just
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  Speaker 2: so honest. And I think it probably struck a chord
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  Speaker 2: with a lot of people that maybe choose to leave
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  Speaker 2: their spouse, which all the signs are like, leave them.
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  Speaker 2: But then that really is their true love. And she
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  Speaker 2: admitted it. And then, of course, I was thinking, Tommy
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  Speaker 2: has now been married to Brittany Furlan, who has been
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  Speaker 2: on my show. And I really like her. And with
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  Speaker 2: all this Tommy Lee and Pamela Lee resurgence in the zeitgeist,
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  Speaker 2: people are like, oh, my God, they should get back together.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, he is married. He's been with his wife
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  Speaker 2: for many years, and they've been married for like four
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  Speaker 2: or five years. And she's a personality, and I think
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  Speaker 2: that must be really hard for her. I'm guessing she
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  Speaker 2: didn't watch the Hulu scripted show, and I don't think
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  Speaker 2: she watched this Netflix doc. Right. they just have her,
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  Speaker 2: she has all these journals, which I think would add
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  Speaker 2: to the book. I've not read the book. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if the book is juicier than this or if it's,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a more spread out version of this, but
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  Speaker 2: she is, she kept like all these journals about her
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  Speaker 2: dating and her life. So I'm guessing it'll be pretty juicy.
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  Speaker 2: And she decides to do all the interviews with just
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  Speaker 2: like no makeup on. And she's still stunning. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: with her freckles and her, I always thought Pamela really
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  Speaker 2: was so gorgeous because of her smile. She has this
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  Speaker 2: beautiful smile with these big white teeth. And also, back then,
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  Speaker 2: you couldn't buy that smile. You couldn't buy your full
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  Speaker 2: lips and you couldn't buy your perfect teeth like this.
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  Speaker 2: And so it was really like you just have never
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  Speaker 2: seen such a stunning person. She just has a perfect face.
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  Speaker 2: She has a perfect natural nose. She does talk about
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  Speaker 2: how she got... a boob job after her first Playboy thing,
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  Speaker 2: which she had good boobs even before. And she has
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  Speaker 2: a gorgeous body. And anyway, so she's really dedicated to
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  Speaker 2: her sons, which I thought was amazing. So she gets
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  Speaker 2: into the weddings. After she divorced Tommy Lee, she married
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  Speaker 2: Kid Rock for a year. Then she married Rick Solomon,
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  Speaker 2: who was like a poker player friend of hers. Then
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  Speaker 2: they get divorced. Weirdly, Rick Solomon was Paris' son. his
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  Speaker 2: boyfriend and who she was in her sex tape with.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? So then they break up, then they
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  Speaker 2: get back together and she marries him again, then breaks
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  Speaker 2: up with him again. Then she gets with John Peters,
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  Speaker 2: who was her neighbor in Malibu, but they're only married
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  Speaker 2: for 12 days. He says it's come out that he's
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  Speaker 2: leaving her $ 12 million, $ 10 million from his will. And
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  Speaker 2: then she marries this guy that she meets when she's
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  Speaker 2: living out in her hometown of Canada with her parents,
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  Speaker 2: who I believe is married to somebody else at the time.
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  Speaker 2: They fall in love. She marries him. But now they're
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  Speaker 2: broken up. So currently she, at this time, is single
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  Speaker 2: and is like, I just think I want to be
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  Speaker 2: single forever. However, Tommy still is the love of my life.
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  Speaker 2: And it's called Pamela, A Love Story, because they go
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  Speaker 2: through her loves, but it keeps coming back to Tommy.
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  Speaker 2: And then I also thought like she's showing all these
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  Speaker 2: home videos and stuff. I wonder if Tommy had any
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  Speaker 2: objective objection to it. It's good that he didn't because
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  Speaker 2: he comes off, you know, really pretty nice in the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing. And, and the kids obviously, you know, this
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  Speaker 2: was their project too. So it's really good and it's
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  Speaker 2: really interesting. And I've always been a fan of hers
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  Speaker 2: and fascinated by her looks and what, you know, her
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  Speaker 2: career has been. And, Brandon being her son, he brings
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  Speaker 2: up the fact that my mom, so many people have
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  Speaker 2: made money off my mom. She never made money off
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  Speaker 2: the sex tape. She makes that very clear. I think
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  Speaker 2: it was always very confusing to us because we know
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  Speaker 2: that Kim Kardashian made money off of hers and so
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  Speaker 2: did Paris and the Rick Salmon. But she, you know,
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  Speaker 2: just because it was so long ago and everything, Even
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  Speaker 2: if she said, even if there was the opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: make money off of it, I wouldn't have. And Brandon's like,
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  Speaker 2: I wish she had. She really was in debt her
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  Speaker 2: whole life. I remember right when I started on Chelsea Lately,
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  Speaker 2: she did a series on E that was so boring. Honestly,
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  Speaker 2: it was just about her dealing with PETA and being
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  Speaker 2: a vegan. And it was her raising her boys at
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  Speaker 2: the time who were like 10 and 12. And she's like,
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  Speaker 2: you'll never see them. You'll only see their feet running around.
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  Speaker 2: And it was pretty boring. But I think she needed
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  Speaker 2: to take the job just like Denise Richard did at
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  Speaker 2: the time. She had a reality show on E! because
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  Speaker 2: they're like, what else do we do at this time?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I need to make some money. So he's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: she really never had a lot of money in her life.
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  Speaker 2: And now, you know, Amazon has bought the rights to E!
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  Speaker 2: Baywatch and she's not going to get any money from
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  Speaker 2: this either. So it's, but it is really good. And
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  Speaker 2: it's a lot of old footage from that time. And
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  Speaker 2: going through her life and kind of really, I think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of women and, you know, can relate to
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  Speaker 2: her as a single mom and trying to find that
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  Speaker 2: love again and kind of recognizing that she falls, she
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  Speaker 2: has a love issue. Like she wants to keep falling
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  Speaker 2: in love. However, it just always keeps coming back to Tommy,
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  Speaker 2: which it's just, it was great. It was really, it
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  Speaker 2: was really well done. And her sons came, come off great.
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  Speaker 2: And they have like a great, relationship, the three of them,
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  Speaker 2: which was fun to watch. And her parents too, her
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  Speaker 2: parents who had a very volatile relationship, married young, the
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  Speaker 2: husband cheated on the mom. They even, it was their
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  Speaker 2: physical abuse are now like blissfully happy in their old
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  Speaker 2: age and madly in love and live on her, on
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  Speaker 2: her property. They'll like kind of live together. And I
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  Speaker 2: thought that was really interesting. So it was great. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: let's talk about this latest thing with Real Housewives of Potomac.
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  Speaker 2: This is very interesting to the housewife industry as a whole. So, now,
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  Speaker 2: Robin Dixon was married to Juan Dixon. They have two kids.
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  Speaker 2: When the show started five years ago, they were divorced,
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  Speaker 2: but they were, like, dating again. And then they got engaged,
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  Speaker 2: and it was like, when are you going to get married?
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  Speaker 2: Why are we all not going? Are you going to
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  Speaker 2: get married? It came out on the show that Karen said,
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  Speaker 2: I know that the reason that you haven't gotten married,
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  Speaker 2: remarried to your husband, Juan Dixon, ex-husband Juan Dixon, is
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  Speaker 2: because he has a girlfriend who's blonde. She looks like me.
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  Speaker 2: And people have seen them walking hand in hand in
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  Speaker 2: Maryland or whatever, in Georgetown. And she's like, she calls Juan.
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  Speaker 2: And is like, yeah, Karen's saying that there's a girlfriend.
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  Speaker 2: And he's screaming on the phone like, this is bullshit.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so sick of, like, these people talking about me.
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  Speaker 2: Really angry. And we're like, oh, okay. So anyway, I
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  Speaker 2: guess receipts came from the woman just now since this
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  Speaker 2: episode aired. And Robin, who has a podcast with Giselle,
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  Speaker 2: which is a pretty successful podcast for housewives to have,
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  Speaker 2: called Reasonably Shady. They address it on the show. And
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  Speaker 2: Robin says, okay, I'll tell you the story. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it was a pandemic. Juan was bored. He started talking
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  Speaker 2: to a girl on DM, which he shouldn't have been doing,
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  Speaker 2: but nothing happened. There was no relationship. They didn't sleep
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  Speaker 2: together or anything like that. There is a receipt for
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  Speaker 2: a hotel room, which can be easily explained. But we're not,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell it here. We're going to
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  Speaker 2: save that for the Patreon. And so people hear that
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  Speaker 2: and they're like, wait, what? How is Bravo okay with this?
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  Speaker 2: They're paying you, like, I don't even know how much
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  Speaker 2: she makes, but hundreds, thousands, millions of dollars to expose
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  Speaker 2: your life on the show. You didn't tell it on
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  Speaker 2: the show. You didn't show it on the show. And
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  Speaker 2: you didn't show it at the reunion. The other thing
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  Speaker 2: she said is, this person had DM'd all of you
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  Speaker 2: about the receipt she had on Juan. So I figured
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  Speaker 2: it's going to come up this season. And I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to have to address it. Juan and I did address it.
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  Speaker 2: And we got through it. And that's one of the
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  Speaker 2: reasons why we didn't get married last year when we
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  Speaker 2: were supposed to. She also now is married to Juan.
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  Speaker 2: And they did it not on camera, which, of course,
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  Speaker 2: the Bravo producers would have wanted to have that on
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  Speaker 2: camera and had tears and speeches and everything. She chose
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  Speaker 2: not to because her marriage is her own thing. Everyone
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  Speaker 2: has a right to, like... And now she's being honest.
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  Speaker 2: But the problem is that she's being honest through her Patreon,
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  Speaker 2: which I don't begrudge them. These ladies want to make
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  Speaker 2: their money. But it's kind of like... kind of crossing
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  Speaker 2: the line about being a reality star or not. So
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how they're going to feel about it.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're definitely going to want Robin and Giselle
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  Speaker 2: back and they're going to want Robin to tell, let's
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  Speaker 2: have the aftermath of it. Let's really hear about this infidelity.
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  Speaker 2: They're not going to like fire her, but it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of like a gray area as each housewife has their
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  Speaker 2: own podcast and they can have their own subscription-based thing
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  Speaker 2: where they can save their juice for it But you're
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  Speaker 2: supposed to have it all on the show. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I think there's probably a war room at
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  Speaker 2: Bravo going on right now being like, do we need
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  Speaker 2: to put certain things in the contracts about what they
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  Speaker 2: can share and not share on their own life outside
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  Speaker 2: of the show versus their own social media or paid platform? Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: of course, people paid the $ 5 and listened. So the
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  Speaker 2: story that I have heard from it is Robin says,
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  Speaker 2: So he's bored. He starts talking to this woman who
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  Speaker 2: lives in Canada, who, you know, they're just talking on
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  Speaker 2: DMs because that's what married men or guys that are
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  Speaker 2: engaged do during the pandemic because who didn't, right? It's
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  Speaker 2: so boring. What else are you going to do with
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  Speaker 2: your days? And it's not like they could have a
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  Speaker 2: long distance relationship anyway. Who has a long distance relationship
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  Speaker 2: when someone's in Canada and someone's in DC? That never happens. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: Giselle had a supposed long distance relationship with her ex-husband,
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  Speaker 2: the pastor, who has like eight children from 12 different
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  Speaker 2: women or something. Anyway, so then she says, so the
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  Speaker 2: woman comes to Canada and they're just friends. Okay, they're
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  Speaker 2: just DMing because it's a pandemic and they're bored. She
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  Speaker 2: finds herself in Canada and she doesn't have a credit
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  Speaker 2: card or got stolen or something. So she's like, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: she's from Canada. She's in D.C. So she's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: let me DM the one person I know in D.C.
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  Speaker 2: who I've been talking to because we're bored and see
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  Speaker 2: if he can't come here in person and pay for
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  Speaker 2: my hotel room, just run his card, and then, of course, leave. Like,
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  Speaker 2: nothing happened. So that's why she has the receipt for
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  Speaker 2: Juan Dixon paying for her hotel room. The only story...
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  Speaker 2: that is more ridiculous and more of a gullible person
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  Speaker 2: to believe is when Ashley Darby's husband, the old Australian
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  Speaker 2: who I, we don't know if he's a sex addict
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  Speaker 2: by whatever met a stripper. And there was photos of
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  Speaker 2: him laying in the, standing in the room or something
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  Speaker 2: with her. And, um, And they were in the hotel
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  Speaker 2: room together and she took a photo of him. And
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  Speaker 2: he said, I met this woman and then I was
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  Speaker 2: just so tired that I said, let's go up to
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  Speaker 2: the hotel room. Nothing happened. But did I go in
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  Speaker 2: the hotel room with this woman and maybe take a
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  Speaker 2: nap in my underwear? Yeah. That's what people do when
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  Speaker 2: they're tired, okay? And you're having a drink at a
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  Speaker 2: bar in your neighborhood. You don't go home. You get
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  Speaker 2: a hotel room and you have a nice woman sitting
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  Speaker 2: Make sure that you get in the room. And then
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  Speaker 2: you say goodbye. Leave. So, listen. This is a cast of...
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  Speaker 2: They have their own rules about relationships and everything. But
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  Speaker 2: now I'm like, just have it all come out. You
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  Speaker 2: guys all... You don't really follow monogamy rules or whatever. Okay. Like,
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  Speaker 2: let's hear it. If this is your reality, let's hear it.
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  Speaker 1: So....
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  Speaker 2: There you go. So I think this is she's it's embarrassing.
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  Speaker 2: It's really embarrassing because like I said before, it's it's
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  Speaker 2: not what it's not what you presented. So now it's
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  Speaker 2: weird to be like, oh, and by the way, there's
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  Speaker 2: been all tons of and she said there was infidelity
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  Speaker 2: in her marriage the first time. And then it comes
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  Speaker 2: up again, but she still decides to marry him because
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  Speaker 2: she said they worked it out, you know, and it
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  Speaker 2: was just it was just being and it was being
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  Speaker 2: a nice person, you know. Um, I remember when Eddie Murphy, um,
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  Speaker 2: he picked up this woman who turned out to be, um, trans, uh, gender, um, prostitute.
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  Speaker 2: Look it up. It's juicy scoop history. It was that
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  Speaker 2: she needed a ride.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: That was back when like prostitutes would actually walk the street.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: She needed a ride. And then Eddie Murphy was like,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: I just gave her a ride at four in the
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: morning because I was like a nice person, you know.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: So there's a lot of good, there's a lot of
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: nice guys out there, you guys.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: have faced tremendous setbacks, and yet somehow have found a
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm heading to
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the Emmys, and I have police complaints filed against me.
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  Speaker 5: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: what would you do if it was given back?
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Where did that need come from, where you thought that
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: He said, I have a work dad.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: I need a home dad.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: What happens next? When I came in, he started crying.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: happens next.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: every day was.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: You're worth the work.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: You can use your voice even if it shakes.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Only one question matters. What happens next?
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  Speaker 2: Okay. This is a crazy story. A TikToker who does
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: quite well on TikTok. She's 19. She's a college student.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: She is in trouble now because she lied about having
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: pancreatic cancer, a tumor the size of a football. She
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: also had leukemia. She had 15 rounds of chemo, 90
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: rounds of radiation. So what has she to do? She
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: starts a GoFundMe. She collects $ 37, 000 from her TikTok followers.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: She's also giving speeches at her college about it. She's
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: an amazing girl. Besides having this 11% chance to live
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: is what she claims the doctor said, she also held
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: a 4.0, a part-time job. But what happened is in
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: putting this all on social media, because he got to, right?
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: People in the medical profession kind of was like, or
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: people that may have suffered from this type of illness
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: or knew someone that did, said, this is not the
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: way this equipment works. And this doesn't look right. And
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: these things in the background. And they alerted the authorities
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: and said, I don't think this girl really has cancer.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: And she has a GoFundMe and everything. Anyway, so she
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: was arrested. They took the IV. They took all the
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: fake stuff that was in her house. I mean, this...
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: If we could please find out if this girl watched
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Real Housewives of OC, the season of Brooks faking cancer
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: and no one giving poor Vicki a casserole dish and
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Megan King Edmonds, the top detective. So she is out
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: on bail, but she is facing up to 10 years
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: in prison for the crimes that she did, which, you know, so...
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: It's just really awful. And of course, it's a GoFundMe scam.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: But it was such an elaborate scheme and a lie.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: It doesn't even seem... It wasn't like a Munchausen's. It
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: was like an absolute fraudulent scam, which is awful. So
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: she was caught. This is a really insane, sad story
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: out of New York Post. It happened in Germany. There
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: was a girl who was having issues with her family.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: And.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: She wanted to fake her own death. And the way
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: she did this was she looked for girls on the Internet,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: like beauty bloggers, whatever, that looked a lot like her.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: She sought out many of them. And then she connected
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: with this one girl. And she said, oh, my gosh,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: would you like to meet? DM'd her. Would you like
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: to meet? I see you're a beauty blogger. I'd like
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: to give you all these free products to try. They meet.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: And this girl brings her boyfriend. They take this poor,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: innocent beauty blogger who thinks she's collaborating with another woman
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: who's in makeup, supporting other women. They take her into
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: the woods. They stab her 50 times, brutalize her to
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: the point where she's unrecognizable, put her in the trunk
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: of the girl's car. So once they found the car,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: they make it really easy to find. Once they find
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: the car and open it up, And she's gone missing.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: They assume that the owner of the car is this,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: you know, horribly disfigured, stabbed body of a girl that
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: is the owner's size, has her hair color, everything. So
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: this happened back in August. They researched it all and then,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: of course, saw that she had reached out to other people.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: She has been arrested. This poor girl, beautiful girl, was
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: murdered for no reason. The other thing is she told
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: her family that the last, the last word they got
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: where she was going was to see her ex-husband. So
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I think she set up her ex-husband on
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: top of it. I mean, the last, so you go
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: missing and the last person you saw was your ex-husband.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: And then your, then the body that they think is
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: yours is found in the trunk of the car that
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: you own. I mean, who just wakes up one morning
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: and is like, okay, let's find this girl and stab
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: her 50 times. It is, Horrible. Awful. Okay, this is
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: pretty juicy. So this is very juicy, but it's going
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: to lead to bigger arrests. Tom Girardi, as you know,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: is living in a, Tom, a former Erica Jane's husband,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: disgraced attorney, disbarred attorney. He is in a facility in
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Orange County for Alzheimer's. He has officially been indicted over
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: the client theft scandal. with his son-in-law, who used to
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: work there, and his CFO. And it's all these counts,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: these different counts that they, you know, for all the
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: money that they stole from 2010 to 2020. And, you know,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: we'll see what comes of this. I kind of feel
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: like people are gonna be like, yeah, so But now
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: this is actual criminal charges. Will he end up going
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: to prison? They're challenging his Alzheimer's, saying that right before
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: the Alzheimer's claim, he was teaching classes about litigation for
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: other attorneys, if that's really true. But I really think
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: it's more interesting about the CFO, Kamen, K-A-M-O-N, and the
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: son-in-law that worked all those years, and that they would
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: tell the clients, oh, because of COVID, we can't distribute
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: your funds. And, oh, because of the weather, we can't
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: give you your money. Like, there was all these lies.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: So they were all in on keeping this scam going.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: It wasn't just Tom alone, which seems pretty obvious. But
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: it took to this point to indict them all. So, okay,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: according to The Sun, the news is that Lisa Rinna
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: wants her own family reality show and is ready to
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: become the new Kris Jenner. Well, that makes a lot
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: of sense. Her daughters are models. They're gorgeous. She did
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: have a reality show a long time ago when the
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: kids were little and she had her, I forgot the
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: name of her clothing store, but she had like a
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: clothing store in Studio City and it was like on
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: the TV channel network, which doesn't exist anymore. And she
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: and Harry and way before Housewives, she did this. So
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: If the girls... I don't know how successful it would be.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: I would buy it. I would buy it. I would just...
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I would try to get a couple more other people
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: in it. Because there's only been a couple moments where
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: the girls had a couple funny moments on the show
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: with each other. But not really a lot. And a
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: little bit of... They're kind of depressing girls from what
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: we've seen. So I don't know how fun it would be.
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: But.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: I definitely think with all the Hollywood connections and all
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: of their modeling and everything, if you're looking for, you know,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: to try for one season, I would give it to them.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: So let's see what happens. This is also a crazy
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: story about there's been two weird things that have happened. Recently,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: a girl said they found this woman who was 29.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: who was pretending to be a high school student. Like
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: it was like right out of the Drew Barrymore movie.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Remember what was that? Was that call where she like
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: goes back, never been kissed or something. Anyway, this girl,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: she was an immigrant, but she was 29 and she
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: just enrolled in school, but she was trying to be
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: friends with people and everything. So they were like, we
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: feel violated. And other people in the comments are like, God,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: maybe she just wanted an education, but you can't do that.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: You can't lie. about your age and go back to
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: school at 29. So there was a junior basketball team. Okay.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: So eighth grade or no, no, there was an eighth
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: grade girls basketball team. And one of the main players
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: couldn't play. And it was like coming to the finals.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: So instead of putting, taking someone off the bench, one
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: of the coaches decided to put on the outfit and
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: put her hair back and played the game pretending to
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: be an eighth grade player. So, of course, they found out.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: They pulled out of, like, the whatever, the tournament. But, like,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: people were like, does that girl look 13? I thought
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: that was hilarious. And also, of course, Beyonce has announced
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: she is going on tour, too. So, I mean, save
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: your money. Between Adele, Taylor Swift, Madonna, and Beyonce... Only
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: the wealthiest of gays are going to be able to
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: attend these concerts. And so find one, hop on, hold
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: on for dear life, because there's some real good shows
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: coming your way if you can afford it. Now I'm
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: really excited to share with you a great story. interview
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I did with a very popular Instagram account called House
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: and Habit. It goes deep and she investigates everything. We'll
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: get into how she got her 1.1 million followers, the
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: kind of information she brings to you. We talk about
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: several juicy subjects. that have been happening in the past
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: year that she was heavily involved in and so much more.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: So please welcome my guests, Jessica Krause. Hello and welcome
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: to Juicy Scoop. I'm very excited for our next guest.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: You guys have been asking for this. This is Jessica Krause,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: best known for her 1.1 million followers on Instagram. It
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: is called House Inhabit. And it's a cool picture of
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: you in like a great pair of jeans. You have
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: great style. came in with great style and just amazing.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Some of the stuff that you uncover and you're, we're
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: going to get into some of the hottest topics that
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: you did. Um, but just first tell us a little
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: bit about, you know, you say here, you're a writer,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: you're a journalist. How, what, what is your career? How
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: did you end up here at the Juicy Scoop Studios?
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I just want to say that
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: this is probably the first time in my life I've
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: been on time to anything. So Okay, good.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: I appreciate it. I just want to put that out there.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: I want my friends to know that I am capable
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: of it.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: As far as everything that's happened in the last two years,
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: it's been pretty crazy because it wasn't something I set
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: out to accomplish or even create. I started doing the
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: pop culture things, I guess, almost two years ago. Just
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: because I was bored with everything online and it was
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: kind of... I feel like I was at a point
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: that I was either going to get offline... And do
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: something completely different because I was kind of a lifestyle blogger.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: So it was a selfish, there was selfish intentions behind it.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: I was like, what do I want to do with
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: my time online? And it was all of these pop
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: culture stories that I grew up with. So I started
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: with like 90s kind of throwbacks.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Which I love. I call it Juicy Scoop history.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: And like probably like same era. I love like the 90s.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: And it's fun because they're, They've kind of been buried.
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: So they're like old stories, but new to some, right?
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Right, exactly.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: So that was my whole thing. And that was fun.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: And it ended up being like accidentally popular, the more
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: I would cover these stories. And then I started to
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: be more opinionated in it because, again, I was on
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: this mission. I thought I was going to be canceled
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: for all these other things. And I was like, what
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: did you think you're going to be canceled for? Well,
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: you know, I mean, it got very contentious during COVID
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: and stuff. I was being labeled all kinds of crazy
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: things just for... Everything was political, right?
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Right, exactly.
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: So, like, even though I never expressed either side, it's
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: just you're getting pinned on. Myself, too. Right? And so.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I smiled a couple times.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: That's bad to be in a photo smiling. You can't smile, no.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Can't smile. Can't walk outside your house. Yeah.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: And I think I was writing about going insane, being
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: locked up with my kids for those three weeks. Like,
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: everyone was, like, baking bread and stuff, and I was
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: locked inside with four boys that I wanted to kill.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: How old are your boys?
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: They're teenage. You know, they're 16, 14, 13, and 8.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I have two. And four is... It was a lot.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Double that.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: I was like.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I was trying to get away from the
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: politics and everything, and I was at this point where
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: I had these haters that were intent on seeing me canceled.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: So I just started having fun with Instagram again, which
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: it had kind of gone away. And then, like I said,
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: that became popular, and I love it. Like, I could
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: do that all day long. And then it sort of...
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: I kind of fell into the court cases just by
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: randomly ending up at Britney Spears' hearing.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about Harry and Meghan. What are your general
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: thoughts about the journey of the last four years of
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Harry and Meghan and where they are today and everything?
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: And are curse words allowed on here?
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Of course. Yes, always.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: Okay, well... This one is a personal, so this is
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: a very biased story for me because like some of
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: these I try to cover from an unbiased perspective. This
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: I feel very passionate about because I grew up obsessed
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: with the royal family. I've talked about it a lot.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: I knew everything about their lineage and the family, everything,
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: queen mother. So, you know, like everyone, I followed the
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: boys growing up and they feel like our Like, we're
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: all family, right?
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Right. Like little brothers.
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're our little brothers.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: And we want them to be happy.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: So when he first started dating her, I loved her,
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: like everyone.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Me too.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: She's gorgeous.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: He seemed happy.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: And it was fun watching him with this new woman.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: And that quickly turned. I started seeing... So the press
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: did start turning on her.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And she.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, they kind of blame it now on different things,
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: but I saw in real time what was happening, because
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: she was going against every kind of traditional aspect of their, like,
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: you know, the engagement, everything. She was going against tradition.
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: And so I saw the press turning, and then I,
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: it was just one thing after another where I'm like,
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: this is not gonna be good. Because, I mean, she
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: kind of, at a certain point, like, if you're a
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: woman with good intuition, you can pick up on these
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: type of women, I think. Like, I feel like we
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: all know somebody like Meghan Markle.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: I do now, but I have to say, I was, like,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: down for the wedding. The wedding, yes. And I had
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: one friend that was like, I don't like her. And
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, why? What's wrong with her? Because I
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, my God, why is everyone so mean? Like,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: I said this a million times. Like, I love that
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: she was from L.A., that she went to an all-girl
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Catholic high school, that she was, like, this actress, that she,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: you know, and I'm like, I don't understand.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: Like a real girl.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why people don't like her. And
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: then I really... I really empathize with the fact that
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: she had this half sister that was, you know, telling
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: her everybody that she's a princess and like being so awful.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: And I appreciate that Megan wasn't close with her and
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: didn't want her at the wedding. And I was like,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that because I have a serial sister and
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: I understand what that's like. And I had to have
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: my sister at my wedding and she called me a
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: cunt that day. And I was like, yeah, and I'll
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: never get that day back. But I did it because
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: how could you not have your sister?
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: It was a personal connection to the trashy.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: How could you not have your sister at your wedding?
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: You're going to be seen as the awful actress. who
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: somewhat made it and you don't have your sister, you know.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: And so I've always been like, hey, it's your day.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: You should have whoever you want. And, you know, if
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: you're estranged from someone, don't have the pressures. Now she
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: has the pressures of the whole world. And so that
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: part I sort of sympathize with. I sort of sympathize
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: with the mix up with the dad and the photos
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: that I think probably the sister and the brother convinced
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: him to do for a hundred grand.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: But then he felt.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: befumbled and embarrassed and it's three days away.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: And so again, it's such a mess.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: I like, I kind of forgive the whole wedding thing
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: and the latest stuff about flower girl dresses. And, and, um,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like, who hasn't had issues like that with the
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: wedding now?
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Make it 12 times, 1200 times bigger. But it was
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: more when I started, when I started to be like, Hmm,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: was just all the, the, mexit stuff and her leaving
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: and the and not being able to keep the names
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: and then of course the oprah interview and all these
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: deals and now of course all the lies have been
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: found in the book and now i'm like now i'm
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: not a fan.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: So it took you a long time to come to
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: the truth is what.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: You're saying yeah okay because i guess i didn't want
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: to be like everybody.
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: Else you know and that's very fair yeah that's very
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: nice of you um welcome though to the truth No,
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: I picked up right away. I thought all of the
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: things that you liked about her, I was suspicious of.
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: I'm like, you know, an American actress. It's going to
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: be a huge contrast to this light. Like it's not
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: going to work out so well because also she was older.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: She had been married.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: You know, you're jumping in. Like she's had all this
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: freedom and she's a self-made woman, which is amazing. She's smart.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: Jumping into that.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: And I did kind of, again, give her some empathy
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: as a Southern California girl. Right. I was like, yeah,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: it's not that fun every day having to like go
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: do some, you know, go see, act like you're interested
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: in talking to some person that you're not. Right. You're
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: not going to get coffee and doing yoga with your
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: girlfriends and going to Craig's for dinner and maybe having
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: like a fun audition or a premiere. Right. once the
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: wedding's done and everything, you're just like, you're with stuffy people.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Even their accommodations, I was like, still, it's gloomy out.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: When you're like a Southern California person, it is hard.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Like when we had rain for a couple weeks, people,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: my friends were seriously like getting depressed. I'm like, you guys,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: we are so spoiled. But it's a weird thing if
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: that's not what you're used to. And so I'm like,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: now you're kind of isolated. Whatever friends you make in
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: England aren't really like your homegirls. So I was kind
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: of like, So I saw that part of it.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Well, I see that part of it, too. But I
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: think if they would have been honest about that and said, like,
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: we're not happy here.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: We want to make a life in America on our terms. Fine. Like,
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: I feel like every there would be a lot of
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: support there.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: But the way they went about it was so messy
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: and ugly and unnecessary to like because really the allure
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: of them is their titles is that he's connected to
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: the royal family and they had this whole falling out
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: and so the allure there was the drama that they
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: could expose all these secrets but I think so they
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: didn't just leave they didn't just say like we're not
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: happy here we want to be famous in America which
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: is really the case right because what they have to
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: do their roles they have to get up and go
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: visit kids at hospitals and like Go to a factory.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: It's actually, like, every day.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: And sometimes cameras aren't there.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: They're not there.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: And you still have to get cute.
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: And you have to smile and be nice to everyone
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: all the time.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. And they're not interesting. It's exhausting. Yeah,
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: you're not always with interesting people. Yeah.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: Like, I don't want that.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think she thought it through.
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: Or she did.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: I think she did. Or do you think this was
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: always her plan? Yes. Oh, really?
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: That's juicy.
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: And I will get to that.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Eventually.
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: But I have proof there.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: It was... Today? On my show or later on?
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: No, no.
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: I'm saying there will be proof. But yeah, I think
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: it was always a calculated, you know, there was a
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: lot of calculated things behind it. And I think she
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: set out to meet Harry. And I mean, what is
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: very obvious.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: There's definitely proof that she set out to meet Harry.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: Yes, she set out to meet Harry. And so to
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: say you didn't know who Harry was, you lost me
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: at that.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Like people, you know, that knew him to introduce me,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: blew off Piers Morgan to go meet him. And I
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: think Piers Morgan thought he was going to get laid.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it was.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: She let him down.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's someone who is the classic social climber that
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: is talking to you at a party and looking over
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: to see if someone better walked in the door. Right.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: And you can tell because that whole Netflix thing that
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: came out, you can see the planning and plotting that
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: went into that.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: They were recording themselves. Like, nobody makes recordings of them, like,
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: going through boxes and stuff. You know what I mean? Like,
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: I think from the get-go... Once they decided– I don't
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: think she ever planned on being, like, a London resident.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: So I think she's like, I have to get this
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: guy over to America and we're going to be these– But.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Do you think when she thought, we're going to go
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: over to America, we'll still have all the perks of
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: being a prince? That's what I think so, too.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: Because now she's a duchess.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: We'll have the security and I'll get to have it all.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: And then come back for, like, the fun– The fun events.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: The fun events where– all the cameras are, and you
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: get to wear these fabulous hats.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: She wanted the best of both worlds. And the royal
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: family's like, fuck this. The queen's like, no.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: She's, yeah. So, I mean, it just, I think the
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: way they went about it was so ugly. And the
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: Oprah interview was disastrous. Like, as soon as she said
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: she didn't know who Harry was, it lost me completely. Like,
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: that was ridiculous. And then that was all just a promotion.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: That was like a commercial. I mean, they were all
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: in business together. And the fact that they dragged the
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: family like that, I don't care who your family is.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: That was, I just, I think it turned a lot
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: of people off. It turned me off.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: What about the scene that everyone says where he's like,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: you can tell him cringing when she's doing the mocking
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: of the curtsy. Yes. That's embarrassing.
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: About his now dead grandmother.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: And also, why did the editors not cut that out?
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: I thought that was horrible. I mean, she's just.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: I don't think they saw.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: You don't think they.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: I think the editors may have, but. You know, I
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: know they had final say, and I don't think they
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: saw that. I think she probably thought that by one
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: time being funny, because she's not funny.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: She's not funny.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: She's not funny, and she thinks she's funny, and she's
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: trying to be funny, and she's actually not.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: That's what I keep saying.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: I also heard that she was sixth on the suits list,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: meaning that means five more people are more important than
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: every day that you film, and that she was being
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: written out, so that dumb show wasn't even going to
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: continue for her, for her.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: For her, really?
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: For her. That's what I've heard rumors.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: Well, that's what I think. She's like, what am I
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: going to do? I should probably marry a prince.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: Like, my show's going to be canceled.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: I just... Oh, and I also got scooped from somebody
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: who was her friend in high school who knew she was, like,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: awful in high school. Yes. And, like, stole people's boyfriends
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: and acted like she was their friend and did all these...
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: But that girl... was still featured on the show saying
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: nice things about her. Really?
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Well, that happens a lot. So she stuck around, and
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: she's like, yeah, I'll stay friends with Megan. And Megan
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: might have been extremely nice to her these last five years,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: and she got to go to the wedding and everything.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: So their life as two women who are 40 is
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: not every day as a sophomore is in high school.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: So it's like it's– and also, you know, but it's interesting.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: I've heard– again– I've heard a lot of bad things
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: about her with how she treats staff and servers. And
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: I had a very close connection to their ex-nanny call
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: and tell me that she is still owed overtime. They
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: refused to pay her overtime. And that seems to be
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: a common theme.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: A nanny back in Santa Barbara? Yeah.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: I want to say the most recent nanny that was
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: let go. There's like a huge turnover with them. And
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: I think that's what sparked the whole... fight between her
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: and Kate is that she treated Kate's staff, allegedly treated
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: Kate's staff bad, right? And Kate was not having it.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: But, it's interesting because she was a waitress with my friend,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Chris Frangiolla at Mirabelle. So usually people that have been
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: waiters are like a little, I think, just naturally more sensitive. However,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: this is something I always found so interesting. There was
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: a book that like, about White House staff. And the
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: staff was all interviewed. And they said that the best
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: presidents that treated them the best and asked them about
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: their kids and everything were both with the Bushes.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: And especially George W. Bush Jr. And I thought, you know,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: what I think that is, is I think sometimes when
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: people are raised in society with staff.
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: They actually.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: treat them better because from the very beginning almost like
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: family they know how to treat them with family and
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: everything and just because they've lived this life of privilege
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: they actually are you know manners etiquette and everything and
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: i even noticed it one time with a with a
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: rich friend of mine we were like in an elevator
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: going to a penthouse with a doorman and my friend
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: had grown up very wealthy northern california home in napa
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: penthouse here you know And we're just in the elevator.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: I'm just being quiet, you know. And he's like, so.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: And he starts asking this guy all these questions and
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: being truly interested. And I was like, oh, that's really nice.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: And then I thought, yeah.
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it can be that, too. And interesting that then
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: when she got to this place, she didn't try to
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: study or ask or. Or wonder, like, what is appropriate?
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: How much can I do?
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: Like approach with curiosity.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Because whenever you hear about someone who loves, that was
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: a head of a household or whatever, it's always like,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: and Joan Rivers, you know, paid for my child's college education.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: And knew every name of my kids and would ask
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: about these things.
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: And then other people, they don't know because... They're not
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: trying to be rude. Sometimes they are being rude, but
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: sometimes they just don't even really know what the etiquette
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: is and that that is actually really should be encouraged.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: No, I think that's a really good point. I've actually
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: never thought about that, but I think you're right.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And like the Clintons and no bash to the Clintons,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: but they didn't get such a great report. I'm like, well,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: they came from Arkansas and they weren't raised with. Right.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: They weren't raised with, you know, not as friendly.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: So.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, it could have been interpreted that way, too,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: or it took a while or whatever.
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: But I just, I keep, I mean, I even talked
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: to a woman yesterday who called me about something else.
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: And she, her friend worked with Megan on one of
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: those tours to Africa when she, like, went to go
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: maybe to one of the orphanages or something. But she, again,
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: was like, she only had nightmare stories about her. Like,
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: she was late, and she would blame her. Like, they'd
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: have the car out front waiting for her, and she
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: would call the producer and say she blamed the car. Like, well,
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: the car's not here yet.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Like, she was this that she was drinking?
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: No, it was when she was doing tours in Africa.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: I think even maybe before all this. But what I'm
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: saying is I keep getting these stories from credible people.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: And again, this wouldn't be dragged out unless you guys
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: made a decision to drag everything out and to air
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: it publicly. So now there's going to be a flip
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: side to that. We're going to talk about your yacht
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: days later.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: So, yes, I would like to talk about the yacht days.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: So I've seen some photos and whatnot. And I say,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Google it. I think some of it is. Exaggerated. Could
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: be innocent. Some of it could be like, yeah, my
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: girlfriend invited me to go on a yacht. I've been
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: on yachts with people I don't know, too.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not a bad thing.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Doesn't mean that I was sleeping with three princes on
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: the yacht, you know, but like.
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: No, but I'm saying there's those things are going to
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: be investigated and looked into and I think because I
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: think a lot got scrubbed when he first started dating
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: her seriously. I saw it because I was reading things
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: and they all of a sudden were pulled off completely.
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: They were pulled off the Internet, which is what you know,
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: that does happen these days. Yes. So they can be
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: kind of a race history. So I don't have any
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: concrete claims. I'm just saying that it'll be interesting to
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: see kind of her. I think that there's going to
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: be a very ugly flip side to this.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: How do you, what do you think of all the
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: lies that people have caught? I just saw one. With her?
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: I just saw one with her.
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: Because I know it's both sides. The British press is horrible.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: What she's saying is true. There is an element of
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: truth to that.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, definitely, yeah.
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: But the lies they have told? Just stupid lies.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: I just did a show on pathological lying and why
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: do people do this. So I just saw Someone put
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: a little video together and it's her being interviewed or
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: talking about how her wedding dress included a little piece
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: of blue material from the blue dress that she wore
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: on her first date with Harry. And someone goes, that
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: is so beautiful. I'm like, that is really cute. Other
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: brides should pick that up. That's what I'm thinking in
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: my head. And then they go to his audio book
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: where he's like, on our first date, Meghan wore jeans,
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: a white T-shirt. black pumps and a black sweater. I
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: know nothing about fashion, but it was very chic.
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: Why did he remember that?
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: And so there was no blue dress. And so it's like,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: now could people have remembered something different?
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: Blah, blah, blah.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: But there's so many discrepancies in his book that he
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: had this other writer help him with, too. And, you know,
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: but in the end, like, does it really matter? I mean,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: it sold a million copies.
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: It did very well, right?
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: I just wonder, like you do, where do you go
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: from here?
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: Like when you have to be interesting on your own?
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Because you're not interesting.
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: You're not funny. You're not funny.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: You're not interesting. You're pretty. And what made it interesting
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: is that you were this... Pretty girl that married a prince. Right.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: And what we wanted.
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: There's a mystery there, right?
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: What we wanted was to see the four of you guys. Oh,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: my gosh.
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: It was so fun.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Having a blast. Going to a Beyonce concert together. Yes.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Having your kids run around together. Yes. That's what the.
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: World wanted to see.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: That's what we wanted to see. That's what we wanted, yes.
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: The four of them.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: And it's like we didn't. Now it's like. And can
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: you blame, you know.
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: Well, because they were such a tight group. Like, those
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: brothers were very close. And when he was single and
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: it was, you know, the three of them, he got
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: along really well with Kate. I think we missed that. Yeah,
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: we wanted to see Kate and Will vacationing in Los Angeles.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: What do you think of her psychologically? Because it's like,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: you know, if this was a man who took his
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: wife to another country and she no longer was talking
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: to her sister or her dad or anybody... And then
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: she wrote a book about how mean they all were.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: And you would say, my God, this guy is emotionally
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: abusing her. He has alienated her from her family.
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: This is classic, you know, red flag 101. All the
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: red flags. Yeah.
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: I think the friend thing is a big deal. She's
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: pulled— him, oh, I don't want to say she, but
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: he's pulled away from a lot of his old friends.
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: And I think that's the huge red flag in any, right?
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: Like male or female.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. I think people are being as
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: critical of it because he's a man. Right. Versus like,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: it's a more classic situation when a woman looks back
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: on an abusive relationship. She goes, oh my God, you know,
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: right from the start, he said he didn't like my
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: sorority sisters. And then I couldn't talk to my mom.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, and then 10 years later, I
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: finally escaped. So it's like in a much bigger scale,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: you know, this is essentially that as well. And then
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: you'd say, no, but it's because he loves her so much.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: I definitely think he's madly in love with her.
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: I do too.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: I just wonder how she'll feel about him when the
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: dust has settled. Are we making predictions? I've already made
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: a prediction.
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: I have a prediction too.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: What's yours? Well, I believe that they will, she will,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: They will get divorced within five years, and then her
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: next person will be whatever the Jeff Bezos of five
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: years from now will be. That's my prediction. Okay, good.
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: Okay, that's my exact prediction. I was going to say
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: three years, but I'll go with five.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: But I was thinking philanthropist.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Someone who's just super wealthy.
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: Super wealthy and big in that. I mean, she's going
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: to move into politics, I think. Good luck, though.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, you really think we want?
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: Well, there's no other choice, really, because she's not a
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: good actress and she's not funny and they're not too interesting.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: So they have to run a podcast.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Who cares about that?
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: I can't even hate listen.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: And then I also heard that she's not even really
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: doing the interviews. Like someone pre-interviews it and then they
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: kind of, now this is all alleged, but like there
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: was some evidence to it where someone's like, thanks for
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: interviewing me, Annie. You know, and then like they would
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: do the interview and then it'd be plopped in and
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: edited and almost like someone who does like hosting of a,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: a show where you go on and you do the
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: beginning and the end of every show in one day.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: It's like, then she comes in and then she was.
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: Like, that sounds right.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: So my interview with Paris Hilton was quite interesting. And
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: then you hear Paris and then like she wraps it
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: up at the end, but there wasn't a ton of
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: going back and forth, but I have not listened.
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: So maybe I mean, I tried, I listened to a couple.
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: They're mostly about her. She's one of those people that
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: like brings it back to her.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Everything. I kind of do that too. Have you noticed today?
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: But at least I can admit it and I know
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: what my faults are. Yeah. Well, uh-huh. Yeah. It's bad.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: It's not good. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't know what
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: they'll do.
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: But that is my exact same prediction.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: Like a younger, hotter Jeff Bezos.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Yes. The new version. And then I wonder what, like,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: you know, I think he's supposed to have, like, Obviously,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: they're going to want him to write another book, but
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: what's there to write about? You've told every argument.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: I don't think they can write another book.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: You know, that your brother was like, don't act like
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: you know me in high school.
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: She literally wrote about how Kate didn't want to share
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: her chapstick with her. Or he wrote about how Kate. Like,
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: we don't need to know these things. Like, she's English.
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: She doesn't want to hug you. She doesn't want to
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: share her chapstick. She didn't really like you. Like, I
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: don't know why this needs to be a chapter in
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: the book.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: But, I mean, it's literally like they had to fill it. Like,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: you have to go back.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: With all these.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: And then you're like, wait, can I tell the story again?
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Let's hope it's over.
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: Let's hope this is the end of it. Because I
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: can't even... Yeah, I can't.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, is there really going to be another
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Netflix show about them rescuing chickens?
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: But I guess if they're selling... I mean, yeah, Montecito Harry.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: It's not my favorite. Do you think she would ever
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: join a housewife situation?
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: I think it's going to be interesting to see after
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: this phase, after the dust has settled, after the hype
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: from all of these... scandalous secrets. Like, who are they?
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: What do they have to offer? Because you came here now,
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: you said you wanted privacy, but you came here wanting fame.
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: So what do you have to offer?
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Right. Well, it's juicy. I've had a lot of fun
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: with my sons because I've been saying that I have
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: one heir and one spare. And the little fights that
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: he's reflecting on Are so innocent. Anybody that has boys.
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: I know. It happens every day.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, when I first met my husband, he's one
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: of two. He has an older brother than him and
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: a younger sister. And my mother-in-law used to tell me
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: stories about the two of them. And I'm like, oh,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: my God, I do not want two boys. Like, you know,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: and then I got two boys.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: It was, it's a lot of that teasing and that
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: kind of thing.
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: All day long.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: And then one day the younger brother, you know, and so,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: you know, then they had a big fight in their
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: twenties or whatever, but they're like great.
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: Can you imagine putting that in a book?
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: But they're great. Well, I just said it on my podcast,
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: but they're great friends today. Like they fairly enjoy each other,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: but there's still like a little bit of a tit
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: for tat. And there's the same thing with sisters. There's like,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: you know, but. You get over it. And it's a
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: very common relationship. It's just a part of siblings.
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: And I think that his, him exposing, him trying to
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: expose William really exposed his jealousy, which is not a
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: good look.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Right. And I mean, he was, he was a mess.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: They protected him.
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Talk about the press.
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: We remember Wild Harry. Like, we remember the partying naked
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: days and doing cocaine in Vegas.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: Some of us remember those.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: You were a mess.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: We all forgave you. It wasn't William's fault. Like, it's just,
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: The jealousy really came through, I thought, right?
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: Like, he's withholding a lot of resentment and jealousy. So.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: And when all his hair is gone.
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, he did not need to go there. He
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: did not need to remind.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: The world that his brother's bald.
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: Calling the kettle black.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or whatever you call it.
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: We see what's happening in the back, too, Harry.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: We see what's coming.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: This was the biggest story of the year was Amber
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: and her... Oh, look, it's by The Scoop from People. Oh.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: They call it The Scoop. Drama. Whatever. Amber Heard settles
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Johnny Depp lawsuit. Now, how did you... And you went
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: to the trial. You were there. Like, how did that
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: all come about? And that he was... He found you
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: and welcomed you in and you guys are like friends.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: How did that happen?
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: Well, I was going to cover it regardless because I
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: was sort of familiar with the story and I knew...
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: I remember being disappointed. Like, I was never a huge
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: Johnny Depp fan. I was accused of that. And I
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: was like, I was never that into Johnny Depp. Love
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: his movies like everyone else. But I remember when the
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: news came out about him being a wife beater and
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: all this. I was disappointed because he was always kind
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: of a cool guy in Hollywood. And I remember being disappointed.
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: And then I remember when her tapes, the audio came out.
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: And I remember sitting in a parking lot listening. And
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: I was shocked because you can hear it on that.
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: that he's trying to leave the situation and she's, you know,
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: kind of berating him and all these things. So then
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: I was interested in it again because I'm like, okay, well,
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: we've been led to believe that he's this, you know,
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: abusive monster. Right.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: And also you played like a drunken pirate. So, you know,
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: and like, so it's like, the persona. Right. And we're
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: also taught to always believe.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Literally a campaign in the last three years that was
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: like believe all women. All the time, which is a.
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: Weird thing, too. I honestly, well, no, that's the whole point.
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: That is why I covered it, because of that saying.
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: I thought that was the stupidest slogan ever, especially with
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: four boys.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: I was going to say.
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: As a mother, right?
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: I do think there's something interesting as a boy mom
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: living in this climate, because our whole lives, you know,
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: you're thinking about yourself, a woman, women's rights, and, you know, like,
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: you know, believe all women and men second. Oh my God,
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: it's hard to, glass ceiling and everything. And now in 2023,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: we're raising young men and especially if they're straight and
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: of a lighter skin tone. Well, you say it. Yeah,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: it's not popular.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: It's not super popular right now.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: You immediately are the enemy and they're told that and everything. Right.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: And so it's like, well, geez, you know, and I
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: even remember one time during all the stuff that was
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: going on, you know, every day there was a new
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: person that was from Matt Lauer to Harvey Weinstein. I'm like, gosh,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: do I change my Twitter thing to, you know, raising
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: two non-rapists? Like, I mean, I'm just trying to do
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: my work job, you know.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: It wouldn't hurt.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, so it just kind of, so yeah, I mean,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: it is, it is, you know, like an interesting place
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: to be with it.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: Well, everything you're saying was part of the reason I
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: picked it up so hard, because I as a mother,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: I didn't like where that was going. And it made
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: it just feels like that's going to get very that
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: could be very dangerous.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: Like believe all women. And and so I was like,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: this is interesting. And I think there was a lot
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: of interesting angles inside that trial. And that was one
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: of them. So I announced that I was going to
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: be covering it. And I spent like a full week
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: going over what court documents I could get. And that's
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: when I did, I got a call randomly from a
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: friend of Johnny's who had reached out a few days earlier.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: And at that point, nobody knew.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Because that person had found your Instagram and was following you?
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: No, it's always a wife. The women always, a wife
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: is always, anytime a man contacts me, it's like my
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: wife or girlfriend, she loves you.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: You know, it's always that. So, yes, a wife suggested
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: because they didn't know at that point what the media
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: was going to do. They didn't know how it was
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: going to go because he had been slammed by, you know,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: for how many years? And she goes, I think that
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: she is willing to hear Johnny's side. And so he...
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: I had talked to the friend a couple times. And
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: then the trial... I think jury selection started. And I
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: got a call. And I talked to him for a
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: few minutes. And then he said, you know, there's somebody
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: here who wants to say something to you. And as
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: soon as he got on the line, you know, you
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: can hear Johnny's voice.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: So I'm like at... soccer practice and my kids like
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: screaming about, he wants like a hamburger or something. And
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: there's like, it was like ridiculous. And I was driving
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: a car without air conditioning. So I had the window down.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: So there was like all this air and like a
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: complaining child and like Johnny Depp on the phone talking
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: about like Hunter S. Thompson. And I was just, I'm
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: like trying to take it all in. And I was
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: just like, who's Hunter S.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Thompson? It's a writer, right?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: He's a writer. And it's, and I love Hunter S. Thompson.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: And so that was the thing we were, On the
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: phone talking about writers randomly.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, cool.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: Okay. I don't know how it got there, but like
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: I said, there was a lot of airflow.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: But yeah, it was just one of those moments where
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: I'm like, this is so crazy. But this kind of
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: like details I love, right?
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: Like you're on a soccer field, you get a call,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: you don't ever expect it's going to be Johnny Depp.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: But basically he was just very appreciative that I was
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: going to be open to covering it with an open mind.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 5: And so that's all it was. It was just a
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: thank you. And we talked about all sorts of other things,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: like the writers and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: And then so then how did you end up going there?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: Well, so, okay, so I started, once I started covering it,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 5: it got crazy attention.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Because you live in Southern California. You live like an
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: hour from me, right, too?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: How bad was it?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: It was two hours.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, sorry.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: Two hours.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: Well, by this point, I had already flown to a
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: couple different places. So it was worth it to me
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: to be there.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: And this was, you know, the trial everybody was talking about.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: And are you married? I am. And so did your
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: husband have any qualms about you? Like, hi, Johnny just
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: called me. Well, he was like, John, John and I
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: are going to hang out in Virginia or whatever it was.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 5: Well, it was so funny because he was the one
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 5: who told me, he's like, at the beginning, he's like,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 5: I don't think anyone's going to be into this case. Like,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: Nobody cares about, you know, these. He was terrible advice,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: but like it was ridiculous.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 5: And but luckily we don't listen to them.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, I thought I need to go there and
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: show again the fans because there was like llamas out front.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: There's people dressed up as pirates.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: Why did they bring llamas? Never understood that part.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, gosh.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: You know, you're testing my knowledge, but I think it
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: had something to do with. him saying he wouldn't come
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: back to Disney for like 100 million llamas.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Or something, right?
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: All right. Got it.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: I don't know, but there was llamas and pirates and
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: it was a whole scene. And so I went initially
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: and it was pretty quiet. But I realized like I
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: don't really need to be here because I'm staring at
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: the back of Johnny's head and Amber's like kind of
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 5: giving me dirty looks. And you have better angles at
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: home on TV and I can't, you know, post anything.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: So I'm trapped in there for eight hours staring at
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: the back.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: Of their heads.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: But, so I covered most of it from home and
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: I went back for the end of it, for the verdict.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: Or, I guess, closing statements.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: And then did you go to Europe with him or
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: something and see him play?
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: No, that was, what was weird is everybody was already
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: going to England. I was going for the Jubilee, Queen's Jubilee.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: His whole team was going for, I guess, the Jeff
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: Beck concert.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: So, just randomly, we were all headed to England.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: we were given tickets, really nice seats to that show,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: which now with, you know, Jeff Beck dying, it was
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 5: a really cool experience. That, it's awesome. Yeah, it was
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: all great.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: I was totally obsessed with it, and I was somewhat
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: criticized sometimes how I would report it because I wasn't,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: I wasn't dedicating eight hours of my day to it,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: so I was missing some stuff. But I was, I
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: was coming more from a place of just the law
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: of defamation. Not, in fact, do I think she lied
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: or not? More that, can he really, you know, can
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: he really get this money? And did she really break
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: the laws of freedom of speech by doing this open end?
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: So that was sort of my angle. And then people
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: interpreted that I was... some, you know, someone on Amber's
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: side or whatever. And I wasn't. I mean, I was just, like,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: I find this really interesting and, like, and kind of
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: scary because for what I do and everything, like, you know,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, what can... When can you tell a story? Like,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: you know, and I think it's happening more and more
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: with girls, you know, even, like, talking about a horrible
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: boyfriend they had or a horrible date. And they go
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: on their podcast or they even.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: Like we're in a Facebook.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Group of like, stay away from this asshole. And then
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: that asshole tries to like sue them. You've ruined my life,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: you know? And it's like, well, when can I tell
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: my story? If it was my story to tell, like
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: what's the protection. And, and then, you know, so it was,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: it's more about that. That's what I kind of was
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: like thinking. And, um, but I, I'm not, I'm not
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: surprised how it's, how it's all come about post that she,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: that they sort of settled on the money. And he's
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: moving on and he's having great opportunities. And I really
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: predict she will have other opportunities, too. I really don't
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: think she's going to be completely done. I think she'll get, like,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: some type of dramatic series on a streamer in the
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: next two or three years is my prediction.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: Well, I think the same thing. I think people are
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: very forgiving. Like, you know, and I think... I've always
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: said that, too. I think... I think you're right. I
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: think there's an opportunity there. And I do like the legal,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: like what you're saying. I like that as a counter argument.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: Like I said, there was a lot. It kind of
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 5: turned into a whole joke because of TikTok and everything.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: And I was trying to be a middle ground there
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: where like I wasn't, obviously the New York Times, but
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: I wasn't like these ridiculous people on TikTok. Like it
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: got very silly, you know? And I hated all the
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 5: like the poop jokes. I hated all that. So I
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 5: was kind of in the middle. But I mean, I did....
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: Because my show is a comedy, so I did have
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: to go.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 5: I hate that.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: I did have to kind of like, yeah, what is
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: the truth? Was it a dog poo? Was her poo?
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Was there no poo at all? Like all the little
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: crazy details. And then also there were funny parts of like, gosh,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: you know, this is what happens when you marry a
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: really young girl who then brings her 12 friends to
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: live in your apartments for free. That's true. And you're
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: this overly generous guy. And it's from MC Hammer to him. Like,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: stars need to know, like, once they start making money
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: and stuff, you've got to protect yourself and who you
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: bring in your life. And then also the freeloading friends.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: And the freeloading friends don't want the freeloading to stop.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: So they're going to be extra loyal to you, Amber,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: and you're going to have no say. Right. they're going
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: to tell Amber put up with this toxic relationship because
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: we want to go on the trip next week.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: To Kachala and we want to keep our lofts yeah
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: so it's like they.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Both by including all these other random people their relationship
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: was already off to an awful start I think you know.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: Well, that is a good point. My, my youngest son,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: he was, cause they're always kind of aware of what
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: I'm covering and that was on all hours of the day.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: And he was like, you know what, six of the
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: six or seven, he's like, you know, he married her.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: Like he made a bad decision. He chose her. And
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: I was like, okay, you're right. But like, you know,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: he was just like, I mean, why did he marry?
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: Like if it's, she's so terrible, like, you know, so we,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: even we were debating in the house about it, but
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: also you have to consider that I was getting a,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: crazy amount of gossip, an influx of gossip coming in
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: through DMs from people who knew both of them. And
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: so my whole coverage was based on what I was
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: hearing from both of them, which mostly aligned. So like
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: they were ex-friends of hers wanting, you know, because people,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: it's Hollywood. And now you have this source that's not
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: going to give your name away, but I'm going to
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: give your details away. And so everybody wants to be
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: a part of the story.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Got it.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: And so all of these, you know, celebrities are watching
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: and giving their little scoop on it. And so that was,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: to me, that was, like, where I felt confident with
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: the angle that I chose because her old friends were
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: saying what his friends were saying. Yeah. You know what
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: I mean? Because I do believe, I always say that
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: I believe in the power of gossip because it is
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: the word of the people without any sort of filter.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: And if all of the angles... from various sides match up,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 5: it kind of gives you a good sense of what
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: might be true.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do remember that, that you would share
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: a lot of that. And that was fun.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: I think that was fun.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, a former stylist or someone, or how
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: she would, you know, use the connections and make sure
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: that the paparazzi saw her here and there and to
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: create the story of, you know, her career and whatnot.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: Do you think that the father of her child is
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: Elon Musk?
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: A thousand percent, yes.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: And.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: Why is that being kept a secret, do you think,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: from her? I don't think it's.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: A secret anymore. That was a fun one to break
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: because I feel like nobody really knew, at least when
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: I shared it, that was a shocking revelation. And again,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: it was one of those things I knew without research,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: before I had researched, because I kind of put together
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: that he was having all these surrogate children. And then
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 5: she had just had the baby out of nowhere, kind
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: of this baby popped up, and I was like, this
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: is too weird. This has to be Elon Musk's sperm manifestation.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: How much do you think she gets from him?
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't even, I can't even.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: Because it's not like she lives that much of a
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: high life. I don't even know where she's at. That
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: place in Joshua Tree was nothing to be envious of.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: Right. Yeah, I don't know, but I do know that
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: you know, it's on record that she had all these
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: frozen embryos with him. And then that came in, it
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: came out in trial. So like the fun part of
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: that story was revealing some of those big details before
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: they came into the big, the bigger picture, you know,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 5: where everyone could see them.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: But, So how often do you talk to Johnny now?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: No, I don't talk to him. We didn't become friends
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: out of this. It was just a cool connection. But
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: I did become friends with a lot of the people
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: involved in that trial on that side.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: So it was a good experience.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: Did you talk to the beautiful lawyer? What's her name?
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: Joelle?
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: No, the brunette. Camille.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: Camille, yeah. Camille lives in Orange County, too.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: Dr. Curry.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: That was great. Like her story was great that she
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: handled herself so well. And then she, yeah, you know,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: it's got such a lustrous career from it.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: And that she didn't quit to, you know, being a
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: lawyer to then go on to like sell flat tummy
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: tea and join the Real Housewives of OC. Like she's
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: still using her talents to be a good lawyer.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: So I'm grateful for that because sometimes when people get
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: a little taste of TV. They're like, wow, I don't
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: want to read this brief anymore. I'd rather sell candles.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: And she's so pretty. She's like TV made.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 5: No, and you know what? I haven't talked about it.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: I met her boyfriend briefly, and he was the sweetest guy.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: Sweet English guy. Because there was all those rumors that
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: she was with Johnny, right?
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, I kind of started that. Oh, did you? Yeah.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: I thought there was moments... Of, you know, him holding
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: the door and this and their connection. But then I
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: saw him do it with other people. And I'm just
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: I realized that's just sort of his MO. He's just
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: some guys are very gentlemanly. Right. And they are that
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: way with everybody. And that's just their natural thing.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: I think that's definitely who he is.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: But then he started to date some other lawyer from
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: a different case or something. Is he still with that girl?
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: Do you know? I don't know that for sure, but yeah.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: I say he sticks with lawyers. I like it.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: I like that for him. I don't think we need to.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: Be with any actresses anymore.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was like, I like this for him, a lawyer.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: It's a good look.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, tell everybody where they can follow you and
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: your highlight reels and everything on your Instagram.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: House and Habit on Instagram. I have the bigger story
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: saved in highlights and then a sub stack. Same title,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: House and Habit. What's the sub stack? Sub stack is
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: the newsletter. So it's a longer form, all the extra
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: juicy gossip and just a full length version of what
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: I share on Instagram.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: And do they subscribe or they can just click on it?
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: They subscribe. It's free or paid. And obviously paid is
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: going to have some perks.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. Good for you. Late
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: night reading. Thank you so much for coming.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: Thank you for having me.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: It was fun. Thanks.
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