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- 0:00One of the biggest problem in ocean fishing isn't just overfishing
- 0:02predators, but removing the food those predators need to survive.
- 0:07This is the How to Protect the Ocean podcast, your weekday ocean news update.
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- 0:18And this week, we're gonna be talking about forage fish, and today in
- 0:21particular, we're gonna be talking about a question that's becoming more
- 0:24important in marine conservation.
- 0:26What happens when humans start heavily fishing the base of the ocean food web?
- 0:30I'm not talking about plankton.
- 0:31I'm talking about the things that feed on plankton, and that's
- 0:34forage fish because that's exactly what's happening with forage fish.
- 0:39These are species like sardines, anchovies, herring, and capelin.
- 0:42Small fish, right?
- 0:44Huge importance and incredibly massive industrial value.
- 0:49A surprising amount of forage fish caught globally does not go
- 0:51directly to human dinner plates.
- 0:53Instead, many are processed into fish meal and fish oils.
- 0:57You know, the fish oils that everybody tells you to get omega fatty acids?
- 1:00It's a great way to get that, but how much of these fish are being taken out
- 1:05compared to what's being left to run the actual ecosystem and keep things
- 1:09stable and allow for fisheries of those predators to be sustainable as well.
- 1:14The products that are created are then used for aquaculture, livestock feed,
- 1:18pet food, and dietary supplements.
- 1:20That means that tiny fish that naturally feed whales, tuna, salmon, sea birds,
- 1:25and cod are increasingly being redirected into industrial supply chains.
- 1:30This type of fishing is often called reduction fishing because the
- 1:33fish are reduced into ingredients.
- 1:36Now, fisheries managers do set quotas and catch limits, but critics
- 1:39argue that traditional fisheries management sometimes focuses too
- 1:42heavily on the target species itself.
- 1:45In other words, fisheries managers are asking, "Can this fish population
- 1:49survive fishing pressure?" Instead of asking, " Can the ecosystem
- 1:53survive losing this much food?
- 1:57And that distinction actually matters quite a bit.
- 2:00Marine ecosystems are deeply interconnected.
- 2:03You can't remove a major food source without consequences.
- 2:07One major example is seabirds.
- 2:09We talked a little bit about them yesterday.
- 2:10But researchers have documented breeding failures in some seabirds
- 2:14populations during periods of low forage fish abundance.
- 2:17The parents of these seabirds literally could not find enough
- 2:19food to bring back to their chicks.
- 2:22Another example involves Atlantic cod.
- 2:24Historically, cod populations depended heavily on forage fish.
- 2:28When those food webs become disrupted, recovery becomes much harder.
- 2:32And this is one reason some scientists argue we should stop viewing
- 2:35fisheries as isolated industries.
- 2:37The ocean is not a collection of separate compartments.
- 2:40You can't just have salmon over here, cod over here, tuna over here.
- 2:44It's a connected energy system.
- 2:46And forage fish sit near the center of that system.
- 2:49There's also an efficiency question here.
- 2:51Think about it this way.
- 2:52We catch wild fish, they turn them into feed.
- 2:55We feed them to farm fish or livestock, then humans eat the final product.
- 3:00That can become a little bit of an inefficient use of ocean protein,
- 3:04especially when ecosystems are already under stress from warming
- 3:07oceans, habitat loss, and pollution.
- 3:10And climate change, of course, adds another layer of risk, like
- 3:13probably the biggest layer of risk, making everything else even worse.
- 3:16Marine heatwaves can reduce plankton production, and that affects forage
- 3:20fish because that's their primary food, which affects predators
- 3:23higher up in the food chain.
- 3:24So pressure compounds quite quickly.
- 3:27Now, one thing that I find really interesting, we're gonna cover it
- 3:30in the later episodes, is the fact that we don't communicate this a lot.
- 3:33Forage fish are not on the topics of everybody in
- 3:36fisheries or anybody in oceans.
- 3:38We often think of it, if you're a scientist, you think of them, yeah,
- 3:40they're an important part of the food web, and they need to be managed appropriately.
- 3:44But a lot of times they don't get managed appropriately, and there's
- 3:46not a lot of pressure on governments from the people who vote them in
- 3:49there, vote these representatives in there to do that because
- 3:51there's not a lot of communication.
- 3:53And communication is really important in science and conservation in
- 3:56general, and we don't do enough science communication and because it's hard.
- 3:59And we're not incentivized to do it.
- 4:01We're not paid extra to do it.
- 4:03A lot of scientists have other things that they have to do.
- 4:05They have to publish in journals that are hidden behind paywalls,
- 4:08but it can't get out to the public.
- 4:10And it's difficult for them to do it 'cause they're so busy managing
- 4:12students and everything like that.
- 4:14And so what we do is we have people to do that for you, science
- 4:17communicators, who have done a great job in doing it in the past.
- 4:20And one of those people is a person that I work-- is, is a company that
- 4:23I work for, Pisces Ocean, who's a sponsor of this episode, who we
- 4:26value the fact that we need to talk more about fish like forage fish.
- 4:30And then we value the fact that this is an important part of the ecosystem,
- 4:34and we wanna make sure that people get that message out there quickly,
- 4:38not just to their own constituents, but also broaden that message.
- 4:41And we can do that at Pisces by either help you running campaigns,
- 4:45strategize for those campaigns.
- 4:47And it's okay, like I know a lot of nonprofits don't have a ton of money
- 4:50to hire a consulting firm to do that.
- 4:52We do have a program called Pisces Points where you can try and
- 4:56get, like, if you want us to run a campaign, we can run a campaign.
- 4:58If you would later on want us to run social media or make
- 5:00some posts or something like that, we have that all for you.
- 5:03We just require a strategy session before that and a wayfinder,
- 5:06what we call a wayfinder.
- 5:08So speaking of wayfinder, why don't you go to the website right now,
- 5:10piscesoceans.ca for that wayfinder and be able to see what you need help
- 5:15in, and we can help you in that area.
- 5:17So go to piscesoceans.ca.
- 5:19I'll put the link in the show notes, and you'll be able to get access to it.
- 5:24Let's get back to the episode going back to what happens next in
- 5:27terms of how do we manage this.
- 5:29This is where ecosystem-based fisheries management plays a really important role.
- 5:34Instead of managing fish species independently, scientists and policymakers
- 5:37are increasingly trying to manage ecosystems as connected systems.
- 5:42That means leaving enough forage fish in the water for those predators, not
- 5:46just to sustain individual fisheries.
- 5:48Some fisheries are beginning to adopt a precautionary approach, so
- 5:51catch limits may be lowered when predator populations struggle.
- 5:55Managers may close fisheries seasonally during sensitive feeding periods.
- 6:00And researchers are improving ecosystem models to better predict ripple effects.
- 6:04But this is still a difficult balance to act because forage fish fisheries
- 6:08support jobs and industries too.
- 6:11That means policymakers often face competing pressures between economic
- 6:14interests and ecosystem health.
- 6:17That's not something that you wanna have to balance.
- 6:19And honestly, like, this debate is probably going to intensify over
- 6:22the next decade because as climate stress increases, resilient
- 6:25ecosystems become more valuable, and healthy oceans need redundancy.
- 6:30They need that abundance.
- 6:31They need functioning food webs.
- 6:33They need diversity to just stabilize the system, and that starts with
- 6:37protecting those foundational species.
- 6:39Even when you talk about diversity in forage fish species, you still wanna
- 6:42have a diversity of forage fish species in that particular habitat or ecosystem.
- 6:47' Cause if you don't, then if that species declines, your predatory
- 6:51species are gonna decline right away.
- 6:53But if you have a diversity of forage fish species, now you can
- 6:56actually see, you know, if one falls off or declines a little bit, the
- 6:59predators can switch to the others while the one population increases.
- 7:03So if herring drops off, anchovies can go higher or what have you, right?
- 7:07If they're in the same space.
- 7:09Now, we may be catching the exact fish the ocean needs most, right?
- 7:12We can forage fish.
- 7:13And protecting predators means very little if we fail to protect the food
- 7:16that keeps those predators alive.
- 7:18I want you to understand how much of a fundamental shift
- 7:20this is in terms of management.
- 7:22Because even back when I was working for Department of Fisheries and Oceans, they
- 7:25changed the Fisheries Act in Canada.
- 7:27And when they changed it, they changed like, let's just
- 7:29manage the fishing species.
- 7:31So if there's been an industrialized fishing species or commercialized
- 7:34fishing species or even an indigenous fishing species that has been
- 7:38established for the last 30 years, we are going to manage that.
- 7:40We're not going to manage their food source.
- 7:41We're just going to manage those species.
- 7:43Well, you can't just manage those fishery species being like,
- 7:45can we catch enough of them?
- 7:47That's great.
- 7:47Are there enough that we can catch?
- 7:49We don't care about the rest of the ecosystem.
- 7:51That's what that policy essentially said.
- 7:53And then when that government left and the other government came in to
- 7:56say, hey, look, you know what?
- 7:57We're going to rebuild the Fisheries Act to make it even stronger
- 8:01and to remove that silly policy change and bring back the fish
- 8:06habitat part of managing fisheries.
- 8:08That became a lot stronger because now we are looking at food sources,
- 8:12we're looking at habitat sources, we're looking at a lot of different
- 8:15things that affect these fish.
- 8:17Other outside pressures, marine pollution, climate change,
- 8:20overfishing, all that kind of stuff makes a difference in the way that
- 8:23we manage these fishery species.
- 8:25So protecting predators, as I said before, it means very little if we fail to protect
- 8:30the food that keeps these predators alive.
- 8:33And that's what really matters.
- 8:34And that's what I want you to take home from this episode.
- 8:37And of course, if you know someone who is interested in this type of stuff or
- 8:40you know a researcher who's interested in forage fish and they would like to come
- 8:43on and talk more about forage fish here on the podcast, please share this episode.
- 8:47And of course, don't forget to follow this podcast, the How to
- 8:49Protect the Ocean podcast, so you can get your next weekday update.
- 8:52And of course, Friday, in a couple of days, we are going to be talking to Jack
- 8:56Daly from Oceana Canada all about their new report in Canada about forage fish.
- 9:00It's a really great report.
- 9:02I want you to take a look at it.
- 9:03We're going to dive deep into it.
- 9:04And this is kind of prepping you for understanding how important
- 9:07forage fish are for that interview.
- 9:08So thank you so much for joining me on today's episode of the How
- 9:11to Protect the Ocean podcast.
- 9:12I'm your host, Andrew Lewin.
- 9:13We'll talk to you tomorrow and have a great day and happy conservation.