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Shawn Johnson's Late-Night Panic Google · Wellness, Actually with Emily Oster & Perry Wilson, MD

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  Speaker 1: This is parent Data. I'm Emily Ost.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Emily Oser. It's Shawn Johnson. I had a question.
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  Speaker 2: I need your help. If you can give me a callback,
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  Speaker 2: that'd be great.
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  Speaker 1: Hello Shawn Johnson, Hello Emily Ost, Welcome to Late Night
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  Speaker 1: Panic Google.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I would love for you to introduce yourself and tell
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  Speaker 1: people who you are, what you do, and what kind
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  Speaker 1: of children you have, What kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of children I have. My name is Shawn Johnson. I
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  Speaker 2: was a gymnast a very long time ago. I competed
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  Speaker 2: in the two thousand and eight Olympic Games and I
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  Speaker 2: did pretty well.
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  Speaker 1: You did good, you did really well.
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  Speaker 2: I did well. Yeah, it's the way that we had
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  Speaker 2: to talk about myself. So I now cover my life
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  Speaker 2: on social media, which is quite odd but so much fun.
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  Speaker 2: And my little three wild little ones. I have a
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  Speaker 2: four year old little girl named Drew, a three year
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  Speaker 2: old little boy named Jet, and a nine month old
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  Speaker 2: boy named Bear, and they are wild and so much fun.
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  Speaker 1: I had not realized they were quite so close in age.
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  Speaker 1: You guys, you really went for it.
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  Speaker 2: So I will say, our daughter is getting ready to
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  Speaker 2: turn five next month, so they're they're twenty one months apart.
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  Speaker 2: Are my daughter and my son, and then the other
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  Speaker 2: two are thirty months apart, so not super close.
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  Speaker 1: But like close we're in. It's gonna feel great when
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  Speaker 1: they're like all, you know, twelve and able to you know,
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  Speaker 1: use the bathroom by themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that'll be nice.
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  Speaker 1: And you and Andrew your husband have like a totally
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  Speaker 1: great Instagram where you do funny.
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  Speaker 2: Stuff, funny things. We like to showcase marriage and family
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  Speaker 2: in a lighthearted way that makes I don't know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: kids want to have a family. It's just not polarizing,
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  Speaker 2: crazy edgy content like a lot of kids.
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  Speaker 1: Watch that's so so can I ask you before we
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  Speaker 1: get to late and panic Google, can I ask you
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  Speaker 1: about that? Because there's been so much discussion about people
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  Speaker 1: not wanting to have kids, and I always wonder if
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  Speaker 1: some of that is because we like don't show enough
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  Speaker 1: of the pieces that are fun, like we talk about
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  Speaker 1: it is hard, like for sure, but the pieces where
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  Speaker 1: it's just like this is the greatest joy, Like, look
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  Speaker 1: how much fun you could have doing and still like
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  Speaker 1: your partner and st like like you guys seem happy,
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  Speaker 1: and I wonder how intentional. I mean, I'm sure you
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  Speaker 1: are happy, but I'm one wondering how important you think
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  Speaker 1: that is in trying to show people.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, we think it's really important. I
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  Speaker 2: will never forget the day, like right after I got engaged,
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  Speaker 2: I was going on a walk with a friend and
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  Speaker 2: I remember her saying, like, marriage is so easy. I've
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  Speaker 2: never fought with my husband. If you fight with your husband,
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  Speaker 2: there must be something wrong. And then I remember fast
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  Speaker 2: forwarding when we got pregnant with our first kid, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people telling us like our life was over,
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  Speaker 2: to like make sure we travel really fast and we
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  Speaker 2: get everything out of the way because kids will like
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  Speaker 2: take away all the fun of life. And then I
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  Speaker 2: got married and I fight with my husband, but I
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  Speaker 2: love him more than anything in the face of the earth,
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  Speaker 2: and like we have a really healthy, wonderful marriage. And
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  Speaker 2: then we had kids and we got to still travel
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  Speaker 2: the world and have fun. And I was like, people
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  Speaker 2: have it wrong, and if only the world got to
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  Speaker 2: see a little bit of that, maybe it would just
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  Speaker 2: encourage them to be like, wait, if they're doing it,
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  Speaker 2: maybe it's still cool and not going to ruined my life.
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  Speaker 2: And we think family is the greatest thing in the
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  Speaker 2: entire world. So if we can kind of influence people
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  Speaker 2: in that world. It would make us so happy.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. Okay, so, but what's your late night
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  Speaker 1: panic Google?
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  Speaker 2: I would say, talking about Paris late night panic Google. Well, okay,
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  Speaker 2: can I give you two? Shoot? Yeah, there's two. First
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  Speaker 2: one these Now having a baby again, I forgot about
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  Speaker 2: all the things in baby's mouths. So I think I've
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  Speaker 2: looked up one hundred different times. I don't think I
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  Speaker 2: own button batteries in my household. I don't think they're here.
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  Speaker 2: But I also haven't had an infant in a while
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  Speaker 2: to where like you have to go back over it
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  Speaker 2: the amount of times I liked Google what are the symptoms?
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  Speaker 2: Like what I notice? And then I came across someone
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  Speaker 2: saying if you just give them a ton of honey,
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  Speaker 2: which is also weird because you can't give babies honey,
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  Speaker 2: then they'll like poop it out. And so, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think we've ingested a button battery. I think I
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  Speaker 2: would know.
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  Speaker 1: I think you would know if they ingested it button battery,
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  Speaker 1: or if you in the house.
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  Speaker 2: I hope so.
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  Speaker 1: But it is is such a clear example of that
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing where it's like you wake up in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the night, and you're like, well, what
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  Speaker 1: if they did, how would I find out?
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  Speaker 2: And Google likes to tell you it's too late, no
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  Speaker 2: matter what, it's just too late. And I was like,
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  Speaker 2: that's good, that's good.
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  Speaker 1: You shouldn't you should have checked before. But for the
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  Speaker 1: next child, you can. You can monitor your button batteries.
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  Speaker 1: I also saw the thing about honey. Yeah, it actually
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  Speaker 1: is okay to give your kid honey, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: think anything to do with the button batteries.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't quite make sense. But okay, what.
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  Speaker 1: Are the so in your late night panic Google, what
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  Speaker 1: are these symptoms of button battery ingestion?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, It's like nothing. It's It's one of those where
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  Speaker 2: it's like it's everything that a normal baby will ever do.
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  Speaker 2: So you're like, cool, it's like they're fussy, they aren't sleeping, Well,
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  Speaker 2: they're crying.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So this is I think such the a sort
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  Speaker 1: of core aspect of the late night panic Google, which
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  Speaker 1: is that almost everything really bad has the same symptoms
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  Speaker 1: as just every normal thing. And so in economics we
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  Speaker 1: talk about this idea of Bays rule, which is like,
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  Speaker 1: if I saw, like my baby was crying, like, what
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  Speaker 1: should I learn from that? And your instinct is be like, well,
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  Speaker 1: if they swell at a button battery, they would be crying,
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  Speaker 1: so probably it's button battery, as opposed to what you
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  Speaker 1: should think, which is like, of the share of times
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  Speaker 1: that they cry, almost zero of them are about button batteries,
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  Speaker 1: And so the fact that they're crying sort of tells
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  Speaker 1: me nothing about whether they have a button battery. It's
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  Speaker 1: just babies cry. But it's once you get that in
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  Speaker 1: your head, it's like so salient, like, oh maybe it's this,
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  Speaker 1: it's this thing. And then every symptom, even though they're
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  Speaker 1: totally regular things.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the irrational thoughts that come to mind in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of the night, because like, our whole house came
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  Speaker 2: down with like a stomach bug one after I die
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  Speaker 2: like the other and our baby hadn't gotten it that
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  Speaker 2: we knew of. And there was one night where out
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  Speaker 2: of nowhere he was just crying unconsolably in a very
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  Speaker 2: odd way that was very out of context for him.
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  Speaker 2: And of course my mind, if I thought rationally, would
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  Speaker 2: be like, oh, yeah, he's got the stomach butt for
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  Speaker 2: sure makes.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody has the stomach like it's extremely contagious, yes, And
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  Speaker 3: I was like, no, he ingested a button battery for sure,
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  Speaker 3: even though I don't probably own them.
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  Speaker 2: In my mind, I was like, he's by himself in
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  Speaker 2: the playroom for a solid like five or ten minutes today,
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  Speaker 2: what if an old toy that I hadn't started. It
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  Speaker 2: was just a rational and I was like, we have
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  Speaker 2: to go to the yar. Did you go to the ar? No?
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  Speaker 1: Because Andrew was like, he has an aural virus like everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Else pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, that is a great that's like a
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  Speaker 1: it's extremely good teaching example for base roll. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: all right, what's your second?
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  Speaker 2: One second?
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  Speaker 1: One is not like that.
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  Speaker 2: But we were talking about Paris and our kids got
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  Speaker 2: croup in Paris and in the middle of the night
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  Speaker 2: woke up, couldn't breathe everything. And when you're in a
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  Speaker 2: foreign country and you don't know how to like navigate
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  Speaker 2: their medical system and they don't have nine one one
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  Speaker 2: and every like, it was wild the amount of things
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  Speaker 2: I was googling of trying to figure out, like can
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  Speaker 2: I walk into a hospital? How do I translate? Like
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  Speaker 2: I knew exactly what I needed, but how do you
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  Speaker 2: get it? And then it was just the most wild
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  Speaker 2: motherly experience ever and so I was basically googling, like,
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  Speaker 2: in the event I cannot get my child a steroid,
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  Speaker 2: is he going to be fine? Like? Can I give
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  Speaker 2: him something else? Can I go buy something over the
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  Speaker 2: counter for me that I can administer to my child.
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  Speaker 1: I am not a doctor, doctor, Sean.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I am not a doctor. It was just it
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  Speaker 2: was a very wild experience and it was not something
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  Speaker 2: that I enjoyed. But we figured it out.
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  Speaker 1: This is very hard in general with our kids in
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  Speaker 1: the medical system when we don't understand. Yeah, and this
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  Speaker 1: is like a very extreme form of like not understanding,
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  Speaker 1: but which I think also comes up like any you know,
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  Speaker 1: anytime you're at the r and they're like talking, you know,
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  Speaker 1: things that you don't like. That's that is a big
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  Speaker 1: piece of the of the scariness. And then it's in French.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually somehow got turned away by two separate hospitals.
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  Speaker 2: One of them was like the American Hospital because they
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  Speaker 2: don't have pediatricians on call, even in the emergency room,
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  Speaker 2: so they wouldn't see my kid. And I was like,
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  Speaker 2: they said, we could schedule an appointment for a pediatric
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  Speaker 2: emergency room three days from now, and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you understand what you're saying. That doesn't
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  Speaker 2: make sense. I'll come back three days from now when
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  Speaker 2: this emergency is bad.
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  Speaker 1: Did you feel afterwards like you had really Was it
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  Speaker 1: like quite empowering or were you just exhausted both.
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  Speaker 2: I had never felt so desperate as a mother, especially
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  Speaker 2: like in the middle of the Olympics, when there should
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  Speaker 2: be so many resources and you have access to so
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  Speaker 2: many things, Like the medical system there is actually pretty good,
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  Speaker 2: Like in Paris, you could walk into a pharmacy and
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  Speaker 2: pharmacists there can actually prescribe medication. But there was just
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  Speaker 2: a relationship with France and steroids and kids that they
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  Speaker 2: don't like. So trying to find someone who would help
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  Speaker 2: him in that capacity was all but impossible. And as
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  Speaker 2: a mom coming from America, where like you're very used
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  Speaker 2: to this, and I'm talking to our pediatricians at home
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  Speaker 2: and they're like, it's totally safe, it's totally fine, and
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  Speaker 2: we got a hold of like the United like the.
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  Speaker 1: Very standard treatment for group here is you give kids
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  Speaker 1: a steroid.
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  Speaker 2: That's like what we do, and then getting hold of
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  Speaker 2: like the un I had States doctor in Paris. He
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  Speaker 2: was there with the athletes for the team and him
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  Speaker 2: prescribing it, but then the pharmacy refusing to fill it.
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  Speaker 2: It was like all these things and as a mom,
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  Speaker 2: I had just empowering only in the context of like
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  Speaker 2: I had finally figured it out, but desperate. I just
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  Speaker 2: felt absolutely desperate because I knew exactly what I needed
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  Speaker 2: for my child and I could not get it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's scary. He's okay, I mean, he was okay,
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  Speaker 1: he's fine.
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  Speaker 2: I mean the fact that he's three and he's huge,
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  Speaker 2: and like we had gone through it before. We were
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  Speaker 2: able to like make it way long enough, which was great,
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  Speaker 2: but we finally got it.
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  Speaker 1: So before I let you go, I want to ask
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  Speaker 1: you about you were just in the Olympics with your kids.
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  Speaker 1: You obviously were in the Olympics. It went good. Not
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  Speaker 1: this time, but you know, I mean, I'm anyway, you've
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  Speaker 1: been in the Olympics. It was very successful. What is
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  Speaker 1: your feeling about your kids being gymnasts or other Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: in athletics. And I want to tell you, just just
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  Speaker 1: to put some data into this conversation, about a half
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  Speaker 1: a percent of the people who are at the Olympics
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  Speaker 1: have a parent who was also in the Olympics. Really yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, I'm trying to write my head around the statistic.
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  Speaker 2: It's little or a lot.
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  Speaker 1: It's well, it's okay. As the chance that your kids
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  Speaker 1: go to Olympics. The Olympics is still very small, but
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  Speaker 1: it is much much higher than if you were not
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  Speaker 1: yourself in the Olympics, Like children of Olympians are overrepresented
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  Speaker 1: in the Olympics. That's a very simple way to say.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting, very fast.
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  Speaker 1: With that knowledge. Now, with that knowledge, the thing I.
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  Speaker 2: Could absolutely care less, and my husband would say the same.
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  Speaker 2: I would say. The only thing that bothers me about
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  Speaker 2: this idea of my daughter or my sons I wanting
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  Speaker 2: to become gymnasts or wanting to become football players, is that,
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  Speaker 2: especially in the world of gymnastics, it's so small at
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  Speaker 2: such a high level that I don't think my children
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  Speaker 2: would ever have a fair shot at walking into a
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  Speaker 2: gymnastics gym and being treated like any other child. And
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  Speaker 2: what I mean by that is I think one of
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  Speaker 2: the greatest lessons I ever learned from my sport was
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  Speaker 2: failing miserably, Like I was not good at the beginning,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think any coach in the world in
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  Speaker 2: gymnastics would see me walk my daughter into a gymnastics
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  Speaker 2: gym and let her be bad, and I don't think
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  Speaker 2: that's fair to her. And I think same thing. If
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  Speaker 2: my husband were to take our boys to a football
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  Speaker 2: practice and they're like, oh, he played in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to be good. They would expect so much
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  Speaker 2: more from our kids at such a foundational level. That's
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  Speaker 2: just not fair and I don't like that.
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  Speaker 1: What about different sports, what about other sportsfors break dancing,
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  Speaker 1: break dancing.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, my daughter is obsessed with ice skating, which I
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  Speaker 2: know nothing about. I don't know how. And then my
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  Speaker 2: three year old son wants anything and everything that goes
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  Speaker 2: fast on two wheels, which is terrifying.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so ice skating and cycling is what we can
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  Speaker 1: look forward to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks, thanks John, thanks for being here.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, thanks for having me