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#183 - Oktane 22 - Opening Day Recap · Identity at the Center

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  You're listening to the identity of the center podcast.
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  This is a show that talks about identity and access management
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  and making sure you know who has access to what let's get
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  started. Welcome to the identity of the
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  center podcast. I'm Jeff.
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  And that's gem a gem. Hey Jeff.
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  Sorry, I couldn't hear you over there.
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  What do you say? And over this James Brown.
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  Yeah, exactly. So for those who don't know, we
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  are live at the octane 22 conference in San Francisco.
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  We're also joined here by one of the superstars on the RSL of
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  July done. A team.
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  His name is Ben Dowd. Welcome Ben.
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  Thank you. Pleasure to be here.
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  Yeah so before we get you started, you know get started
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  here. I think what I things will get a
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  want to give a shout-out to Steven Strong and April Luhan.
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  And really the entire octave team for hooking us up with.
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  But I can say is our first sort of like official room where we
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  actually have our logo on the door and we have like this
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  temporary white-walled room in the middle of the show for.
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  So there's a lot of background noise.
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  Technically I think we're in the same area as all the gold
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  sponsors. Yeah so so so yeah kind of makes
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  this golden it's not as sweet. Sweet Jim I'm sorry but it's All
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  right. I like this better actually will
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  come up with a name for it. Yeah.
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  So we're going to be an octane all week plan is to bring up a
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  so it's pretty much every day for the next few days.
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  We've got a lot of good things lined up, but if we want to give
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  a shout-out to the octave teamed up, we want to give a shout-out
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  to the RSM team. They're the ones that are
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  funding our travel to be out here.
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  So thank you very much, the RSM side.
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  Why don't we get into sort of like recap a day one.
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  So it is Tuesday night. As we record this, the sounds
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  that you hear behind all of us, is the opening sort of get
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  Heather, what do you call it? Like social bash, the welcome
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  reception, welcome reception, thank you very much.
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  I was looking for, there's a DJ playing lots of people here and
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  yeah, good times. Yeah, I mean, it's really fun.
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  A couple of shout outs that I'd like to give people.
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  I met one was Paul petite and hopefully got it is the class
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  name on it. Yeah, I'm sorry 100% sure, but
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  Paul came up and introduced himself and He's a fan of the
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  show listens as he walks his dog, which I thought was really
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  cool and all the doctors and I'm already on among them.
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  I'm on board with that. I'm a fan of Paul, Paul's a fan
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  of the show, it's symbiotic. How did he recognize you here?
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  He did. You recognize me probably by my
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  crazy hair. Okay, God, I would say, all
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  right, I didn't want to say anything, but yeah, the other
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  person like to give a shout-out to is Tomas.
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  Yes, it's him. Moss is writing haikus for
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  whoever wants a haiku, but you have to give them a little bit
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  of information and it's what's on your mind.
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  And so what was on? My mind is killing the password.
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  As you could imagine Island, you woke up and shows violence.
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  Yes. I went right for the violence
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  and he took that violence and turned it into a call for
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  patriotism around killing the password.
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  So let me read my Haiku is from up on high.
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  The Herald's cry. Passwords are dead o, Let
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  Freedom Ring beautiful. That's how I mean that you could
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  put that into any historical sort of context or fantasy
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  context. I can see that as very much
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  being a Game of Thrones episode, it could be a Game of Thrones.
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  I was thinking of they can take our lives, but they can never
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  take our freedoms, but they can take our passwords.
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  Take our passwords. That was the third, the third.
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  Of that. That most people don't know.
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  They don't teach you that in history books, the support where
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  the video cuts off for most people.
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  So let's talk about the octave conference bent you and I spent
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  some time sort of beginning the day at the kind of the partner
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  side of things. There were a couple things that
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  they announced will get into that.
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  And what s I just realized this is your first time on the show,
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  it is. So we have to find out what your
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  your identity background is. Oh no, it is identity.
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  Something that you chose or did it Choose You?
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  Ah, a prepared question Yeah, so identity about five or six years
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  ago was something that I was told I would be assuming the
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  role in as I rolled off a program and took a the spot of
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  another person who had moved out.
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  So I was kind of put in charge of the identity rains for the
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  company with little to no experience before doing that.
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  And I really discovered both a skill at it and it was it was
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  actually something that I really enjoyed doing and so Really
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  excited to be on a identity. Eccentric team now and really
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  focusing on only identity for the most part.
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  So they're happy to be here. So it shows you for sure.
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  Then sort of you did make the conscious decision to say that
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  I'm going to be an idea. Now I know you have yes but when
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  I first got into it it was it was an assignment that I was
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  given. Got it.
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  All right, so let's talk I guess the the opening part for you and
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  I was the partner stuff, you know probably I'll be honest, a
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  little probably boring for most people who are listening and I
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  met seven areas, but really kind of talking about right?
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  How octal engages with Partners to really kind of help make sure
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  the product of Clements go, well, and they're getting the
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  maximum value of the product. There were a couple things that
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  were of notes. Interested, a, I don't want to
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  steal the Thunder want to give you all the honours.
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  Oh, so, what was I was taking notes?
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  Yeah, I'm sure you were. So I I think the the big one,
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  most visually represented is the new brand.
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  They've tightened up the word. OCTA, the font, put some, put
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  some meaning behind it around. I believe it was stability and
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  consistency, a little bit more trustworthy of a logo.
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  It seemed to be the play, they were making and then the, the
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  actual logo itself that they call the aura, the, the
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  traditional OCTA blue 0 is now more of a, it reminds me in
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  Jeff, you put a very well earlier of piano keys in a
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  concentric Circle. And they what they do in their
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  little animation, as they zoom in on, and actually comes out as
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  a little video, reels that tell the story of someone or multiple
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  people's identity. So it was a very nice Dynamic
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  visual. The I thought it looked like
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  piano keys. I'm no, I'm I'm one hundred and
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  forty seven percent positive that that's not the intention
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  the way they described it is facets.
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  I guess, you know, sort of like I guess to kind of talk about
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  the complexity of identity How to connect, you know, all come
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  together. But either.
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  Anyway, there is a beautiful people than me just like people.
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  Yeah, like there's little heads on the end of them, right?
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  Know you, I think from far away you could, you could think that
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  way, I believe they wanted it to be like the old-fashioned slide
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  inserts or something that are usually photos.
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  But in this case, they were little video reels.
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  But yeah. To the facets that show a person
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  and well we saw April in the hallway.
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  Yeah. After the announcement, Gave a
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  good night. Yeah, she was talking about is
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  like it for, you know, the the old heads out there like myself,
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  right? Member you have a, you have
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  like, the, the photo slides work, like, chunk chunk chunk
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  kind of around the circle, right?
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  That was sort of the thought that I had around it, as well as
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  the in April and each of those things, it's kind of hard to
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  describe on an audio podcast. You have to watch the video but
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  essentially each kind of floats up into some sort of, You Know,
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  video or picture, whatever it may be, I thought it was cool as
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  a really slick. You had to be there animation.
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  Yeah, I had to be there. So, that was kind of the partner
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  stuff. There was also one other thing
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  that they announced you want to talk about the demo platform.
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  Yeah, so the, the new demo dr.com has been released and I
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  think the coolest part about it is it is a it's a fully built
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  out demo platform, very similar to what they had in Octa prize
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  previous to this, but it is available to anyone and everyone
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  you can, you can log in, you can make an account, you can save,
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  you know, anything that you built in the demo platform but
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  that, that big differentiator from what Used to be to what it
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  is. Now, I think is, is the
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  availability along with, you can build, cic, or customer
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  identity, Cloud capabilities, formerly known as auth0.
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  And, and I think that entire demo platform being available to
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  anyone who wants to get in there and even just try it out or demo
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  it for for customers or anything like that.
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  I think is a really huge enabler and is very smart of them to do.
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  Oh, yeah. For sure, I think anytime you
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  can visualize how it works. And see it.
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  Yeah, that's worth so much more than just kind of talking about
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  it. So that was kind of cool
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  anything and I had to ditch out for a couple hours to take some
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  meetings but anything the afternoon it was interesting.
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  Let's see, is he Scrolls through his nose is as I go through my
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  notes, I think the afternoon was a lot more conversation panel
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  based there was, there was a couple of business success
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  stories. So it was much less
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  announcement, heavy and much more.
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  You know what are these? Individual people think about
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  this specific use case. So yeah not as not quite as much
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  announcements, I would say. What is the tagline for the
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  conference to something like identity is personal?
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  There's there's to it. Yeah, it's like your identity as
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  yours or something. Your idea, your identity belongs
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  to you. Yeah.
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  And the other one from the, from the partner Summit is better
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  together like peanut butter and jelly, or fish and chips.
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  Yeah, I mean, the better better together, we hear a lot, you
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  used a lot, the personal identity, peas reminded me of
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  self-serve, self, Sovereign identity.
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  The idea that you could have your identity, T.
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  You own it? It's not something that's issued
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  by an identity provider, baby, digital wallets.
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  And so makes me wonder if that's part of the Future Vision is,
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  you know, you've got, of course, Enterprise IDP, of course you've
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  got commercial IDP, what about identity act?
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  As a IDP another words creating these self Sovereign Knight And
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  he's, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, you know, that's what
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  made me think of, I think our ways out from there.
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  I think the idea is that, you know, actors, the neutral
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  identity partner. So if you're thinking about it
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  strategically from an authentication standpoint, you
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  know, the idea that OCTA is sort of like the glue that kind of
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  holds everything together, connect to any app, connect to
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  any service, They Don't Really Care versus maybe something is
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  more of a platform play where, you know, there are other
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  products that anything occasionally is like, okay,
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  we're very good in what they do and and sort of like their
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  ecosystem. Whereas, I think this is where
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  the position is, but I'm not going to try and sell octaves
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  product. They do it.
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  They do it just find themselves, but that's sort of the intention
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  is to think it'd be that sort of centralized.
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  IDP essentially that connects to everything.
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  I think there's been this idea for a long time about what will
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  be the ultimate identity provider, maybe government
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  Identity or entity and then you start to run into, well, not
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  everyone falls under that government, entities, Said that
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  excludes a lot of people that's not going to work.
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  And then you think of somewhere like a big social identity
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  provider, like Facebook and you know, that's where we were 10
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  years ago, we thought that might be it.
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  I think nobody thinks that these days that that's going to
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  happen. Somebody else.
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  Maybe who's one of the social identity Wars at this point is
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  it? I feel like I use Google for
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  everything. Just I would say by default,
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  it's going. Google Microsoft.
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  I I almost don't want to use Facebook right.
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  Every time I see it, I just I have no good reason.
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  I just I think I use my Google credentials like you're saying
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  much more I think I treat it more seriously.
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  Mmm, right. Yeah, Facebook is for well, he's
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  a my perspective, it's for the Facebook login, but also all
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  the, you know, the dumb apps that you can write your, the
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  game, which Game of Thrones character are you armed?
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  The, you know, what kind of potato would you be right?
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  So now we've transitioned to the evening time and it sounds like
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  it's going to love it. Quieter out there.
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  DJ must to stop for a little bit, but it is the official kind
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  of kick off for the real sort of octane conference that most
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  people are probably interested in it kicked off.
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  It's kind of a cool interview with Serena Williams.
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  Any thoughts from how that went down?
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  She did a good job. I thought she was very
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  authentic. There were there were portions
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  of the, the interview where I think she laughed at her own
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  response or or, you know, gave it gave a very personal response
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  to a lot of things. So it was, It was kind of cool
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  to see that live and being in the audience.
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  Yeah, yeah. I mean, it wasn't.
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  Wasn't something that was staged and not wasn't like her
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  repeating. Some presentation that she's
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  done. 20 times is a an interview.
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  She was speaking from the heart, I really like her.
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  Hmm. Like I didn't know much about
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  her other than what you saw in like ESPN news shows and things
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  like that and I mean you know that you're never getting the
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  real sense of the person. I also thought that kind of a
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  during the interview was like, it's almost like there's the
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  opportunity for her to be a caricature, you know, like hey,
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  you're doing, you're so awesome. Like what's your next awesome
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  thing you're going to do or, you know, you should fit some kind
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  of preconception that exists for you.
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  But I think anybody who watch that interview said, whoa, she's
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  a little bit different than I expected her to be.
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  At least that was the thing. I came away with and she was
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  very thoughtful, you know, there's a whole dialogue around
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  her venture capital and it was like, you know, yeah, she is
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  like bigger goals but at the same time she's doing it because
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  she is an entrepreneur and wants to make money.
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  Yeah. And like that came through to me
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  is like, you know what? That's really genuine like she's
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  not trying to make it sound like she's, you know, the doing some
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  kind of like You know social justice or religious movement or
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  anything like that. It's like hey I'm in Venture
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  Capital because you know now there was the whole angle of
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  like what brought her into it which I think she did want to
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  just have a desire to have some change on society.
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  But she was very clear that like hey I want to I want to be
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  profitable. Yeah and that's a kind of build
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  on that. There was a point where the
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  interviewer had asked her Does she feel that she's an athlete
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  and Advocate or both? And I think she did a good job
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  of focusing in on that Advocate Part.
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  And she kind of detailed how she doesn't see herself as a as a
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  defined Advocate or like that she has to do these things
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  because it's a social justice thing.
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  She very much answered and said, no, I just think this is the
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  right way to behave and when I see something wrong I'm going to
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  say that it's wrong. And Maybe do something to change
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  it, but it was very much because her whole focus with the Venture
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  company is about getting more women and more women of color
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  into these. These fundings and these Venture
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  capitalism situations and it's purely because that's what she
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  wants to do. Not that she's she feels that
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  she needs to be an advocate and I think that's where the genuine
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  part comes in. I think that's the key word was
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  genuine. It was a real interview.
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  You, it was not anything staged, it was it covered.
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  A lot of grounds for ya, for 45 minutes, going to talk about a
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  whole bunch of different stuff, but I thought it was good.
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  It was a good. It was a good opening sort of
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  conversation ahead of like the identity talk, which is really
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  kind of tomorrow. So kind of going through that
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  and making sure that, you know, I think people kind of get off
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  on a little more. Casual footing is probably nice.
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  So so that was good Jim I don't know Ben if you saw this but Jim
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  you and I kind of sat through a talk that Matt blasted glossop
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  velocities church. I'm going to screw that up.
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  He's gonna be on the show tomorrow, I think it is.
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  We'll get a ripe banana tree by then but he's with jam and he
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  talked about some of the new authentication options that are
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  available for Mac OS, between OCTA and some other things that
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  have been worked on to make that, you know, smoother, which
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  I thought was pretty interesting.
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  I'm a Mac person myself and it seemed like it's gotten so much
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  better than, than the old days, but I thought was pretty
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  interesting. And I'm sure we'll get into that
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  with him tomorrow. Yeah, it was like his feet
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  presentation because there's so much going on with
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  authentication options within the Mac OS environment.
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  Look, one thing that I would say listen to that episode because
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  we've kind of come up with some questions and they're they're
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  not like snowball questions and it's questions like alright well
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  you know why would a CIA Want to run Mac notebooks our laptops
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  and the environment know why not just run Windows you know if
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  it's more secure so I think Matt's ready to take on the
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  sides of questions. I did have a chance to chat with
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  them and those are only questions, right?
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  I think the whole Mac versus Windows debate has been around
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  around for a while. I think famously IBM.
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  Switched over to Max as like their primary Enterprise
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  machine. And that crazy is crazy.
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  It was crazy because it was like five or six years ago when it
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  happened, maybe even longer at this point and, you know, their
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  study was that. Yeah, it was cheaper to run with
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  Max because they were more. They were less prone to errors
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  of different sorts whether it's Hardware or just software things
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  that were going on you and I have run into a lot of
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  organizations where both ones that we work for and ones that
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  we've worked, you know, as consultants for that do not
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  allow Mac. In their environment.
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  So I think it's a shame. It is I think so too.
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  I mean, I'm a huge Mac fan. But anyway, Matt will help us
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  articulate. How can be just as secure if it
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  can be. Yeah, let's see.
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  They've turned on the lights in here so I'm wondering if that is
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  something our might be knocking on the doors.
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  Yeah, exactly. So what are some other notes?
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  I know Ben, you had a run-in maybe with the claw machine.
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  The claw machine is not as easy as it appears to be.
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  Bi. I don't think I saw anyone walk
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  away from from the claw machine with a prize, and I had my eyes
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  on a nice OCTA branded yeti in there and the claw is flimsy.
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  In comparison to the claw was unkind.
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  Yes, the claw judged me unworthy.
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  So they had this thing that I saw was called octave for good
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  and they've done this. Now add a few different
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  conferences we've been at but basically it's a Plinko Style
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  game where you take a disk and drop it in the top and it kind
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  of bounces off different pegs and I was down into different
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  dollar amounts and instead of a prize, it's essentially a
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  donation that OCTA makes to some cause or charity.
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  That's listed. I saw someone get the max price
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  which was $100 donation and it's you know, there's only one slots
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  in the middle and I have to be walking by at the right time so
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  lucky I guess that worked. I, you know, we're here
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  recording this podcast. I did not win the Powerball.
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  I'm sad to tell you. So this podcast will continue.
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  Do we have a limited number of tries?
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  At the octave for good Plinko as I won for everyone.
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  I don't know. I think yeah.
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  I'm not sure how they're validating.
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  I'll bet you haven't already done it.
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  Yeah, I think that's probably money.
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  That they're happy to give away. There's also a photo booth.
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  There's a lot of cool stuff here.
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  There's the Haiku station. Yeah I think and Ben looks like
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  you guys seems I'm some I'm stepping away.
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  Drinkware. Yeah.
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  Well that's what send on that lighter note.
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  So what is the best? 18:22 vendor swag so far.
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  Oh yeah. Becky said immediately his eyes
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  like when whoa, he's already got like five or six things over
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  there. I see something that's cool.
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  That wasn't in your Loop piled. I'm gonna try and go get.
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  What's the best thing you've seen so far?
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  Been well so my wife and I are big fans of camping and
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  containers that we can use to hold water and so I got this
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  foldable, it reminds me of an accordion.
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  It's basically this black rubber bottle that will collapse down
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  and has a cap and Everything on it and collapsible our bottles
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  like a some sort of like rubbers comes from Arctic Wolf.
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  Yeah. So congrats Artic wolf.
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  That's a good. That's a good vendor swag item.
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  That's right. Jim, do you see anything out
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  there yet? I got a phone prop, you know.
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  Basically hold your phone in place.
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  Okay. From LexisNexis.
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  All right, and a beer koozie from Piper.
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  I haven't done anything yet. I think great like this.
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  It's good stuff but not I'll wait for you guys to like, find
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  the good stuff. So I'm going to, I'm going to go
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  to article off a water bottle. I'll check out the phone holder.
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  They don't have a lot of these. So yeah.
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  Well, we'll have to get there sooner.
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  So tomorrow is sort of like the official I guess.
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  Kind of opening day of all the different identity talks.
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  So we'll go ahead and wrap it up for this episode is kind of a
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  quick thing to get out there for folks, to listen to as they're
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  getting ready tomorrow morning. Perhaps, we'll have a whole
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