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Back to the Future: Full Trilogy · Left of the Projector

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  Track 2: Hello, and welcome to Left of the Projector. I'm your host, Bill,
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  Track 2: Thank you for joining us tonight. Tonight, we're going to be talking about the
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  Track 2: Back to the Future trilogy all three movies and joining us tonight we have a
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  Track 2: long time friends of the show caitlin cullen of caitlin's conspiracy corner
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  Track 2: that is still you're still doing that right that still exists no.
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  Track 3: But it's not because we.
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  Track 2: Made the.
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  Track 3: Decision stop we just are.
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  Track 2: We just want to we want to hang out we're keeping this in this is all staying
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  Track 2: in this is still out there all right Yes.
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  Track 3: You guys, listen, all our fans deserve an explanation.
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  Track 3: Our thousands of listeners that moved over to this podcast.
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  Track 2: You heard it here first, okay? Caitlin's Conspiracy Corner is officially on hiatus.
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  Track 2: There is possibility in the future of them returning to their own show.
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  Track 2: Also here. They'll be here again in the future as well. But tonight, we're here to talk about,
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  Track 2: Back to the Future, one of the greatest trilogies of all time.
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  Track 2: We're going to hit all three movies.
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  Track 3: Bill's not going to like me very much.
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  Track 2: Thank you for joining us.
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  Track 3: This is going to be worse than me bringing up Star Trek last time.
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  Track 2: Excuse me, Caitlin. We've already done Cornetto Trilogy. I'm well aware of your proclivities.
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  Track 2: What I am truly afraid of is how the water and sodium reaction of you and Ward.
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  Track 2: but I'm actually looking forward to that so Ward can really bring the energy.
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  Track 3: Me and Ward are besties.
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  Track 2: Gigawatts of energy.
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  Track 3: Me and Ward are so annoying together that we've done this before right we did
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  Track 3: back to the future and it was never released unreleasable it was unreleasable no.
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  Track 2: It was released.
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  Track 3: Oh was it okay yeah well we were we were scolded a lot on that episode because we were too annoying i.
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  Track 2: Remember correctly there is
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  Track 2: a uh an individual who shall not be named on that episode as well that is.
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  Track 3: Why we're.
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  Track 2: Doing a redux.
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  Track 1: Yes so that that's partly why we're doing this we thought hey we should do back
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  Track 1: the future again but it makes sense just to do the whole trilogy all at because
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  Track 1: it almost feels wrong to be like, after one movie, you're like,
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  Track 1: well, now we have to stop.
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  Track 3: Yeah, we need all three.
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  Track 2: Was the original release not all three?
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  Track 1: No, just the first movie.
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  Track 3: No, just the first one. Okay. I had never seen the third one until this weekend.
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  Track 2: Really?
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  Track 3: And she loved it.
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  Track 2: Really?
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  Track 3: Huge fan. Before I even pressed play, she was like, I just really hate Western stuff.
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  Track 3: I was like, well, get ready.
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  Track 2: We watched it last night. And I mean, my wife and I have seen all these movies multiple times.
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  Track 2: We've definitely seen the third one the fewest times. and we watched it last
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  Track 2: night and the entire time my wife's like this just isn't as good she's like
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  Track 2: the entire she's like this just isn't as good as the movie i don't like this
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  Track 2: as much this is not a good the entire time i.
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  Track 3: Was pacing around i felt yeah i was i it was a struggle.
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  Track 2: For me it came up again tonight earlier tonight like we're just like sitting
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  Track 2: down after like dinner and she's like it's just really not as good she's like
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  Track 2: she's like did you know i looked it up on wikipedia people like it better than
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  Track 2: two what is wrong with people that's.
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  Track 3: Crazy i have to say i'm one of those people now i do think three is better than two.
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  Track 2: Okay so get him out of here,
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  Track 2: no i can't.
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  Track 1: Because they're on the same channel.
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  Track 2: That's ridiculous when i was a kid Caitlin, do something about this.
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  Track 4: Caitlin, kick him out.
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  Track 3: When I was a kid, two, I thought was by far better than even one.
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  Track 3: Two was my favorite. Big six-year-old energy.
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  Track 3: Now I've come to the point where two is just like, I can't get over some stuff about it.
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  Track 1: See, I think that three, I like three, but not better than the other ones.
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  Track 1: So I thought that I was going to be the only one here that actually enjoys the
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  Track 1: third movie. Listen, I don't- For many different reasons.
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  Track 2: I don't not enjoy it. I don't not enjoy it. It's just not as good as the other ones at all.
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  Track 1: Let's start with the first movie and then we'll get to the third movie.
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  Track 1: We don't want to, you don't need to jump to the, we don't need to go too far into the future.
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  Track 3: We don't want to blow our load.
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  Track 2: Evan did not provide me with an intro script and told me to riff and now he
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  Track 2: is regretting his decision.
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  Track 3: Riffing an intro is hard. They would always make me do it for Conspiracy Corner
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  Track 3: and I was scared every time. And we got to the point where we had been recording
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  Track 3: for like seven years, you know, once a year.
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  Track 3: But it was, no, we used to actually record regularly.
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  Track 3: And it was scary every time to do it. And I'm pretty, I'm pretty brave.
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  Track 3: It's scary.
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  Track 2: I don't normally have a problem. You know, as a lifelong DM,
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  Track 2: I riff a lot and I, you know, never prepare for games. So, you know.
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  Track 3: Okay. Okay.
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  Track 2: But yeah. So we'll move into the first movie first. And we're going to move
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  Track 2: through each of the movies one by one, much like we did Croneta Trilogy.
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  Track 2: We're going to discuss them all. And then we're going to go through it,
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  Track 2: starting with how much fucking money did Pepsi give for these movies?
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  Track 1: I tried to find out and I could not find out. I just know that they use it for
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  Track 1: like a rebrand of their logo and a bunch of other stuff.
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  Track 2: But geez, there's so much Pepsi anyway.
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  Track 3: Is it, is it as I'm trying to remember now, is it as prevalent in the first
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  Track 3: one or is it just the line of like, give me a Pepsi free?
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  Track 2: It is as prevalent in the first one.
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  Track 3: Is it? Okay.
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  Track 2: Oh yeah.
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  Track 3: Cause I was thinking maybe if it's not, maybe it's like it comes around again because they're.
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  Track 1: So if you go to the Back to the Future wiki page, it actually lists all the
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  Track 1: time that they mention Pepsi.
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  Track 1: And apparently, it's not always that they're mentioning it, but sometimes they'll be sitting on it.
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  Track 1: Yeah, in the second movie when they're in the alleyway when they first land,
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  Track 1: there's a Pepsi crate behind them.
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  Track 1: When he goes in the first movie, there's a Pepsi crate. So they just product placed it everywhere.
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  Track 2: Everywhere.
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  Track 3: Oh my god.
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  Track 4: Maybe in the future of Back to the Future, there's like a franchise war like
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  Track 4: Demolition Man and Pepsi One.
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  Track 1: Taco Bell.
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  Track 3: War, you might be right.
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  Track 2: It's possible.
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  Track 2: I mean, Biff, if Biff likes it, you know. Anyway, Evan, do you want to start
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  Track 2: us off with the first entry in the film?
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  Track 1: Yeah, I mean, so the, like, probably, I mean, in the first time we did this
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  Track 1: episode, we talked, we brought up a lot of the, like, making of it.
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  Track 1: And you could probably spend, like, a six-part series just on,
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  Track 1: like, the making of these movies of facts and all kinds of stuff.
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  Track 1: And I'll try not to say too many of them. But, you know, the first one is sort
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  Track 1: of a, I don't want to call it amazing that it was made, but there was a lot
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  Track 1: of struggle to get it made, mostly because, you know, there just wasn't any interest of it.
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  Track 1: Spielberg got involved. Of course, this was made. It came out in 1985.
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  Track 1: It was a blockbuster hit for people who obviously have seen this.
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  Track 1: They know Michael J. Fox, Christopher Lloyd of the main stars,
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  Track 1: Leah Thompson, Crispin Glover.
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  Track 1: michael j fox was not the original character who's supposed
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  Track 1: to play marty in this and they replaced him
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  Track 1: after basically filming the whole almost the entire film and it um was just
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  Track 1: a blockbuster hit immediately and so they're like yeah we need to make sequels
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  Track 1: basically after the first one came out but they did not plan to make any sequels
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  Track 1: when this movie came out it wasn't called part one it was just called back to
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  Track 1: the future so i don't know it's,
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  Track 1: I love this movie.
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  Track 3: Our cat loves it, too. Our cat's screaming at us.
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  Track 1: Cat's like, yeah!
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  Track 3: Sorry. This is her favorite.
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  Track 4: This movie fucking rips.
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  Track 3: She's mad because we're normally fast asleep by now, so everyone in our house is confused.
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  Track 3: I was just going to bring up the Eric Stoltz thing. Has everyone seen the pictures
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  Track 3: and any of the clips of Eric Stoltz?
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  Track 3: Yes. I'm mad. Yeah, it's very weird.
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  Track 1: He played it straight. Like, it's not comedic.
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  Track 3: Yeah. I don't know if there's any, is there any audio? Cause I've seen like,
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  Track 3: there's some video and there's some like still shots that I've seen,
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  Track 3: but I don't know if they've ever actually released.
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  Track 1: I don't think there's actually, I think you're right. I think it's only just
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  Track 1: like at some, I think it's like, he doesn't want it to be released or like they did it.
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  Track 1: You know, I think he, he and Robert Zemeck has apparently have like come to
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  Track 1: terms. They're not like mad at each other. He's not mad at him anymore.
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  Track 3: Right.
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  Track 1: Yeah.
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  Track 3: I read that he was like, as they were filming, like he even was like saying to like his,
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  Track 3: like like people doing his makeup and stuff where he's like i don't
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  Track 3: know why they hired me for this like i
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  Track 3: don't think i'm good for this like so he are i think
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  Track 3: he already knew that that it wasn't gonna work too damn and apparently they
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  Track 3: like they like had to keep filming because they weren't sure yet that they were
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  Track 3: gonna get michael j fox and so they were like it was obvious to him of like
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  Track 3: oh that's weird that we shot that scene but they only got coverage for christopher
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  Track 3: lloyd like they They never got coverage for me.
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  Track 3: So I wonder if I'm going to get fired. And then a couple weeks later,
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  Track 3: after filming more stuff, he is fired.
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  Track 1: They apparently were negotiating for weeks with Michael J. Fox.
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  Track 1: Yeah. Because he was filming, was it Family Matters at the time?
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  Track 1: yeah or whatever the show he was on and so the crazy
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  Track 1: story i think we i told this the last time we we discussed this but he would
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  Track 1: film that show during the day he would be in like the back of a pickup truck
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  Track 1: sleeping while they would get him to the set for back to the future and then
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  Track 1: he'd film into the night barely slept and they'd take him back and he'd film
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  Track 1: like you know for weeks god,
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  Track 1: and that's crazy no but look at the performance he
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  Track 1: gave is just brilliant yeah there's so
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  Track 1: many to think about like the thing that i can't get
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  Track 1: over when i watch it this time i mean again from like the
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  Track 1: political mind of it is just how shitty
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  Track 1: life was for people in this
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  Track 1: 1985 universe like even before they
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  Track 1: go back in time you know just where they live obviously
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  Track 1: you don't really get that much sense of like the other families but the town
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  Track 1: isn't particularly nice his family is not doing very well half their family's
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  Track 1: like in prison you know uh his mom's just drinking her life away it's uh it's
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  Track 1: 19 it's reagan era it's perfect yeah.
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  Track 2: It's pretty sad it's just sad it's depressing
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  Track 2: it really is yeah leah thomas is
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  Track 2: like just drinking herself to death like just quietly in the background like
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  Track 2: it's never noted no one ever says like hey ma like it's just quietly in the
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  Track 2: background as she like just continues to pour vodka into shit and drink it's
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  Track 2: just accepted it's so it's depressing.
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  Track 1: I have a question that's not a way to know.
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  Track 3: And then it gets fun. He tries to fuck his own mother. Then it gets fun.
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  Track 2: Then it does get fun.
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  Track 3: Then it gets really sexy.
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  Track 2: It picks up from there.
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  Track 3: Classic story.
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  Track 2: Listen, once you leave the 80s.
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  Track 3: Trying to essay your own mother.
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  Track 2: Much like in real life, once the 80s is over, things look up.
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  Track 4: The political thing I couldn't get over about the first movie was Doc Brown
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  Track 4: scammed Gaddafi. What the fuck?
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  Track 2: I have no reason to believe that he scammed Gaddafi.
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  Track 3: We talked about this another time on another episode, but I love in the 80s
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  Track 3: where everyone was living in fear that people...
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  Track 2: Of the Libyans.
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  Track 3: Yeah, Libyans were going to come to the U.S. and then hunt you down.
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  Track 3: They're coming to your house to kill you.
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  Track 3: It was so insane. This is in so many movies in the 80s where like,
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  Track 3: yeah, the terrorists would just come to your house.
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  Track 3: They're coming to our beautiful churches and our malls and they're going to
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  Track 3: go after us. They got rocket launchers. Yes.
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  Track 3: You got to watch out. They've got Volkswagen vans.
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  Track 3: You got to be prepared.
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  Track 1: The thing that's so funny to me is they're like, I can't believe,
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  Track 1: I don't know how they found you. And then like later and you see them like opening
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  Track 1: up a phone book and they're just in the phone book.
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  Track 1: Gee, I wonder how he found it. Open the phone book.
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  Track 1: For people out there, there used to be phone books and you would open it up
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  Track 1: and had everyone's name and their number in there and their address.
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  Track 3: Okay, boomer. Settle down. Settle down now, Grandpa.
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  Track 4: He's getting excited.
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  Track 3: He's reminiscing.
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  Track 4: He's having a flashback.
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  Track 3: Thank you.
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  Track 1: The other political thing that I also can't get over, but this is like Robert Zemeckis'
• 13:44
  Track 1: thing he does in all of his movies, Forrest Gump, is just the co-opting of inventions
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  Track 1: by people of color by white people.
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  Track 1: Like, how many things does fucking Marty invent in this movie?
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  Track 2: We actually looked up skateboarding to see if black people invented it.
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  Track 3: Did they?
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  Track 2: No lie. He gets on the board and Jackie turns to me. She's like,
• 14:10
  Track 2: when was skateboarding invented and who invented it?
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  Track 2: And I was like, shit, let me look. No.
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  Track 3: Was it a black person?
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  Track 2: No, a black person did not invent skateboarding.
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  Track 3: Shocking because like everything cool is invented by a black person. But.
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  Track 2: Yeah. As far as, you know, there is no record. It was just surfers in California that invented it.
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  Track 3: As far as we know. Okay.
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  Track 2: But the actual like invention of the skateboard mimics like is exactly what's pictured in the movie.
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  Track 2: It was from those what they called like crate scooters or box scooters.
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  Track 2: And it was a board that a crate was on as the handlebars.
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  Track 2: And then somebody just took the crate off and was like, we don't need this.
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  Track 2: We could just like that's literally what it was. That's where skateboards came from.
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  Track 3: Way less cool with a crate on it. So I understand the design choice.
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  Track 1: Wait, so if that's true, then you're telling me that Marty McFly didn't invent rock and roll?
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  Track 2: No, he definitely didn't do that. He definitely didn't do that.
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  Track 3: But he didn't invent Frisbees.
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  Track 1: Right.
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  Track 2: That he did do.
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  Track 1: What other stuff does he invent? I feel like now I can't think of anything.
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  Track 1: What else does in the first movie does he create or does he like co-op?
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  Track 3: In the third one, I guess he's the first person ever to moonwalk.
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  Track 2: Yep.
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  Track 1: Yes.
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  Track 3: In the second one, sports betting. He creates that, right?
• 15:30
  Track 3: He creates sports betting apps. Sports betting is so huge in Missouri right now.
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  Track 2: It's also huge in Jersey.
• 15:38
  Track 3: Oh, really? Man, every commercial that we
• 15:42
  Track 3: see is like three times in a row it's the same Jon Hamm commercial that's like
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  Track 3: hey you lost all your friends from sports betting come sports bet and you'll
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  Track 3: get so many more friends they're going to think you're so cool it's really depressing
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  Track 3: I can't believe they can show that shit it's fucking everywhere it is we don't even.
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  Track 4: Look at sports betting on our computer anymore we look at it on our phones.
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  Track 3: I'm so.
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  Track 2: Tired every advertisement on a podcast is three different sports betting apps.
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  Track 3: Yes.
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  Track 2: Everyone.
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  Track 4: FanDuel.
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  Track 3: Yep.
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  Track 4: Bet365. I know these names better than I know my own grandmother's name.
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  Track 3: Oh, my God.
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  Track 3: Oh, my God. Brought to you by just sports betting.
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  Track 2: I literally, like...
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  Track 3: The whole industry.
• 16:35
  Track 2: There are times when I listen to other podcasts and I'm like, you know what?
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  Track 2: I am so fucking glad we don't have advertisers. And if we did,
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  Track 2: there is no way in hell these would be one of them.
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  Track 2: I'm like, I am so happy for that.
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  Track 2: I don't know what else marty supposedly invents other than i know now that i say that i can't think.
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  Track 1: Of anything else.
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  Track 2: It's skateboarding uh cullen is correct he is the first person to moon moonwalk
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  Track 2: which again that is a black person um yes wait he invents star wars he doesn't
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  Track 2: i mean well he references stars he doesn't invent star wars but his dad writes a.
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  Track 1: Book that's based with True.
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  Track 3: Damn.
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  Track 1: Doesn't his dad then write a book that's basically about Darth Vader?
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  Track 2: No.
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  Track 1: Like, Star Wars doesn't actually exist in the Back to the Future universe.
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  Track 2: He just says he, like, writes, like, I think the book he writes is,
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  Track 2: like, literally the story of, like, their, like, romance, but, like, sci-fi.
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  Track 4: That's what I thought, too.
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  Track 1: Well, but when George Lucas then writes Star Wars later, they'd be like,
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  Track 1: you just copied that dude's book because he already had Darth Vader in there.
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  Track 1: George Lucas is fucked because of Marty McFly. Yeah.
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  Track 1: Disney will never acquire Star Wars?
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  Track 4: So is the Libyan nuclear program.
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  Track 2: A match.
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  Track 3: Is there anything in the second one that he accidentally.
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  Track 2: It's called a match made in space. And it is very much just the story of like.
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  Track 1: Okay. Okay. Fine. Wait, does he. I believe you, Evan.
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  Track 3: I support your ideas.
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  Track 1: What does he invent in the second one? Maybe there aren't as many in this,
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  Track 1: this franchise as I was thinking.
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  Track 3: You guys should have done your research. I know a bunch. I'm just,
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  Track 3: I'm not going to say because.
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  Track 2: What I want to know is, so now let's, before we continue. All right.
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  Track 2: So we've, we've all watched this, but what is like everyone's like kind of like
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  Track 2: a experience with these films?
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  Track 2: Like what, like how are they factored into like your like lives?
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  Track 3: Oh God, Colin's going to cry. The, the first two I, I were like on repeat a
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  Track 3: lot as a kid and love them a lot.
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  Track 3: The third one I hadn't seen as much, which is probably why I have the opinion that I do of it now.
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  Track 2: Because it's bad.
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  Track 3: Because it's bad, but because I just haven't seen it as much maybe. So it's just.
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  Track 3: Not even nostalgic. You know, it's not even nostalgic.
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  Track 3: It's not only bad, it's not nostalgic for you. So you don't fucking like it.
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  Track 3: I do like it. Okay.
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  Track 3: That's not what he told me. I feel like he's trying to balance how much I hated
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  Track 3: the third one no I enjoyed the third one well that's nice for you.
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  Track 4: Yeah, I wanted to like the third one more so that I could oppose Caitlin's hate
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  Track 4: for it, but no, I'm right with Caitlin.
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  Track 3: Thank you. Thank you.
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  Track 2: I have some, like, actual, like, concrete reasons why I think the third one
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  Track 2: is bad that we can go into all these.
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  Track 1: I'm going to cut that part out.
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  Track 3: I can't wait until the third one because I know one fact. I'm just kidding.
• 19:49
  Track 1: Oh, go ahead.
• 19:50
  Track 3: Caitlin has a fact about the third one. About the third one,
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  Track 3: so we have to wait, but I'm ready.
• 19:55
  Track 3: If anyone steals my fact, I'm going to lose my fucking mind.
• 19:58
  Track 2: So
• 19:59
  Track 3: Watch what you say.
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  Track 2: Caitlin how To your To your,
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  Track 2: how did they affect you know what how did these influence you like you know
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  Track 2: what how are these in your life.
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  Track 3: These movies um well not in
• 20:12
  Track 3: any way let's see she had
• 20:15
  Track 3: a lot of old man friends when she was in high school that were inventors yeah
• 20:21
  Track 3: i was very personal joke okay i was gonna make i tried to fuck my mom joke but
• 20:27
  Track 3: i won't do that um because that's not you try to fuck your dad well.
• 20:34
  Track 2: That's that makes sense it's a gender swap that makes sense that's fine that tracks.
• 20:37
  Track 3: That tracks yeah okay so my experience with the back to the future movies i
• 20:42
  Track 3: think it was uh i didn't grow up like you nerds where you're consuming a bunch
• 20:50
  Track 3: of nerdy media all the time.
• 20:53
  Track 3: And so Back to the Future for me was just like a light viewing,
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  Track 3: you know, like I'm sure my dad had it on occasionally or my brother or something.
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  Track 3: So I had seen the first one. I knew that was like a classic.
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  Track 3: The second one I thought was fun because when I was little, there was,
• 21:07
  Track 3: you know, a hover round, hoverboard, hover rounds.
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  Track 3: There was a hoverboard and I thought that was fun. And then,
• 21:15
  Track 3: you know, obviously, you know, my take on the third one.
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  Track 3: I didn't know the third one existed truly i'm not saying that it was a joke
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  Track 3: i thought it was just one and two but oh yeah it was repressed yeah okay i.
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  Track 2: Think you should go last evan because for.
• 21:32
  Track 4: Obvious reasons yeah you're gonna cry yeah uh for me like very much like caitlin
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  Track 4: like passing viewing like as a kid i wasn't super into these i'm not a nerd like you guys,
• 21:46
  Track 4: such a fucking liar so much so much cooler than y'all,
• 21:53
  Track 4: you don't even understand but um not like i honestly didn't even remember like
• 21:59
  Track 4: a lot of these movies at all like fuck i didn't know the third one was a movie
• 22:03
  Track 4: i could have swore like that was just parts of like two,
• 22:06
  Track 4: It was like the Old West stuff. I was like, oh.
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  Track 3: That's just parts of two.
• 22:09
  Track 4: Oh, no, that's his own movie. Oh, fuck. I got to watch that.
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  Track 2: That amazes me. The idea that like you literally didn't even know the third
• 22:18
  Track 2: movie was a whole movie. That blows my mind.
• 22:21
  Track 4: Yeah, no, I just wasn't in the back to the future. I had like other stuff I was into.
• 22:25
  Track 3: Yeah. Well, it shocks me because I know a lot about movies because of Cullen.
• 22:29
  Track 3: Cullen is like truly that is his special interest.
• 22:32
  Track 3: He didn't get a he didn't get a cool special interest. he got being obsessed
• 22:36
  Track 3: with so which you guys can relate i.
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  Track 2: Love how you say that on a podcast about movies.
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  Track 3: That is incredible my
• 22:48
  Track 3: goal being on this podcast is to make every single listener
• 22:51
  Track 3: fucking hate you fucking losers but i
• 22:56
  Track 3: cullen has has made me i'm bringing this back
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  Track 3: around he has made me like really into movies even
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  Track 3: like stuff like the shining that i did love
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  Track 3: as a kid because i was i've always been very into horror cullen
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  Track 3: has made me see it in like a totally different light just because of
• 23:12
  Track 3: when we're watching the shining every second of the movie he is telling me a
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  Track 3: fact about it so like that's i know a lot of stuff because of cullen but for
• 23:22
  Track 3: some reason back to the future it was never like i think he's told me some facts
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  Track 3: about probably one and probably two as well,
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  Track 3: but I truly had no idea three existed.
• 23:33
  Track 2: That just blows my mind. Do you know Viggo Mortensen broke his toe?
• 23:40
  Track 3: Was Viggo Mortensen in the third one?
• 23:42
  Track 2: No, no. I'm just making a joke about movie facts that people love to drop while watching movies.
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  Track 4: Yeah, actually part of three includes Hidalgo.
• 23:51
  Track 2: Yeah.
• 23:54
  Track 2: It's the best part of it. Three is also super, three is super racist also.
• 24:01
  Track 3: Yeah. No surprise. No surprise there, but yeah.
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  Track 2: Yeah.
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  Track 4: Honestly, you think like the first one would like provide a lot of racism.
• 24:10
  Track 2: Yeah, you would think so.
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  Track 4: You know, they toned it down pretty well.
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  Track 2: I mean.
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  Track 4: They got to make it idyllic.
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  Track 2: It does, but it's never presented as like, okay.
• 24:18
  Track 2: like the the the racism in the first one is kind of like casual and like it's
• 24:24
  Track 2: done by people that are not good people like the most overt racism in the first
• 24:29
  Track 2: movie is from biff's friends yeah unless i mean you think something else happened like no.
• 24:35
  Track 1: No i mean i mean it's not overt you're right that is that is definitely.
• 24:38
  Track 2: I mean outside of that like there's nothing i can save.
• 24:41
  Track 1: This i can save this but i was going to say like part of the like the idea of
• 24:45
  Track 1: the premise of like the them going back into 1955 is that somehow like this
• 24:50
  Track 1: there's only one black person other than the band at the the dance there's only
• 24:56
  Track 1: one other black person that's ever presented in the entire movie and they white sweep the floor.
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  Track 2: At the cafe.
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  Track 1: Who later becomes mayor but at the time is not and it's clearly like kind of
• 25:08
  Track 1: showing that this sort of like white suburban setting is the ideal like you
• 25:13
  Track 1: know this ideal time in american history you.
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  Track 2: Know like the way like i don't know to me like
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  Track 2: the way that whole like the town is
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  Track 2: presented in that time and like the way marty
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  Track 2: reacts to it it's not positive like it is
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  Track 2: not looked upon as a positive experience and
• 25:32
  Track 2: a like positive representation in his mind at least and he is the proxy for
• 25:38
  Track 2: the audience in a lot of ways like it never it has it never struck me that the
• 25:43
  Track 2: 1950s were portrayed in any way like idyllic in that throughout that that's fair um,
• 25:51
  Track 2: I have watched these movies entirely too many times. I grew up watching them,
• 25:57
  Track 2: especially the first two.
• 25:59
  Track 2: They're like one of my favorite things. I actually realized while watching this,
• 26:04
  Track 2: I'm like that the fact that George McFly, who is a giant ass nerd,
• 26:09
  Track 2: defends Lorraine and like, you know, like, I'm like, wait a minute.
• 26:14
  Track 2: I think that this might have had an outsized impact on me that like,
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  Track 2: if you're like a nerd, you should be a good person and protect other people
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  Track 2: who are being like oppressed or being, you know, like treated badly.
• 26:27
  Track 2: And you should not be the way all these nerds have become since nerd culture
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  Track 2: has become the dominant culture. how they're basically shitheels and they act like they're superior.
• 26:38
  Track 2: And I'm like, I watched that and I was like, no, you should be the person that
• 26:43
  Track 2: like, you stand against the odds and you protect other people.
• 26:46
  Track 2: Like George McFly, who was a fucking loser.
• 26:50
  Track 2: Even Doc Brown, who is not socially active,
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  Track 2: adept recognizes the George McFly is of fucking reject like.
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  Track 2: Doc Brown a man that clearly is
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  Track 2: not all there is like this is your this is
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  Track 2: your father this this this guy
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  Track 2: this fucking loser and yet
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  Track 2: when the time comes he does what needs to
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  Track 2: be done he stands up and he he does the heroic thing which
• 27:19
  Track 2: I on it like I said I think I actually realized I was like oh wait
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  Track 2: I think this might an outsized outsized impact
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  Track 2: on my brain as a young child um and
• 27:28
  Track 2: then oh yeah on the top of that um it came
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  Track 2: out in 1985 which is the year my wife
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  Track 2: was born and like it's one of her all-time favorite movies and
• 27:37
  Track 2: it's like we have like you know it's like she's like
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  Track 2: the entire time it's like 1985 this is your own great thing aha's
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  Track 2: take on me back to the future me you know like you know like we've seen it like
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  Track 2: in theaters together because it's an important thing not only to like me but
• 27:54
  Track 2: like to us and to her you know so oh and i just shit on it she also doesn't
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  Track 2: like she also doesn't like the third one keep.
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  Track 4: Doing it caitlin.
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  Track 3: No that was really beautiful i love that i really hate to like yuck other people's yums so.
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  Track 2: I got.
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  Track 3: All my shit talking out of the way first and now i feel like a fucking dickhead.
• 28:15
  Track 2: You you didn't say you just said you didn't grow up with it that's all i.
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  Track 3: Just didn't grow up with him yeah yeah.
• 28:20
  Track 2: Yeah you didn't say anything bad about it Yeah. Other than the third one.
• 28:25
  Track 2: You said bad things about the third one, which is fine.
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  Track 3: I did, yeah. And I don't take that back.
• 28:28
  Track 2: No, you shouldn't.
• 28:30
  Track 1: Well, we'll get to the third one.
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  Track 3: Evan's going to tell me that it played at his wedding.
• 28:39
  Track 2: Just in the background. It was just in the background. That was the backdrop
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  Track 2: when they walked up. That was the backdrop. It was the scene where the train takes off.
• 28:48
  Track 1: Well my my like history with this is similar to
• 28:51
  Track 1: yours bill is that i grew up watching the first
• 28:54
  Track 1: two i pretty think i only had one of them on
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  Track 1: vhs i think i don't remember if it was the first one or the second one i never
• 28:59
  Track 1: had the trilogy i didn't watch the third one that much either i saw it a few
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  Track 1: times you know when it came out but if you're like going to the if you're going
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  Track 1: to the v like the video store you want to rent a movie you know like i wasn't
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  Track 1: gonna pick back to the future part three you're gonna pick one or two and i
• 29:14
  Track 1: have i have like a book about back to the future back
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  Track 1: behind me somewhere on that bookshelf i have them the like
• 29:20
  Track 1: the blu-ray set i have a actually but my sister
• 29:23
  Track 1: got me you can't really see it it's like the it's like
• 29:26
  Track 1: a plastic i'll just get it it's like a thing that looks like the flux capacitor
• 29:32
  Track 1: where the time we enter in like the dates and stuff it's like a little plaque
• 29:36
  Track 1: during that my sister got me i have you know i love these movies i love the
• 29:40
  Track 1: third one too not as much as the other two of course but you know i um because.
• 29:45
  Track 2: It's bad thank you evan.
• 29:48
  Track 1: I think i told you i gave the first two five stars you know out of five and
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  Track 1: then the third one i give three and a half that's my that's not true your.
• 29:55
  Track 2: Thing your thing said five stars four and a half and then i think three.
• 29:59
  Track 1: I upgraded well i it's because i used to give the second one four and a half but i moved it with five.
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  Track 3: Okay. Okay.
• 30:08
  Track 4: We didn't bump three down.
• 30:10
  Track 1: Well, I never, I never had, I never, I don't think I never read it.
• 30:13
  Track 1: This is just, this is like, you know,
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  Track 1: on letterbox or whatever, but yeah, that's, that's, I mean, I just,
• 30:18
  Track 1: you know, I know like, I know on, on not unlimited, I know many useless facts
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  Track 1: about these movies that are just no, not useful to any other scenario other than right now.
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  Track 4: So. Okay. I'll just keep judging it until you bump down three.
• 30:30
  Track 2: I mean, the book I read doesn't know all facts. He learned a new fact,
• 30:34
  Track 2: like, like two nights ago.
• 30:36
  Track 1: You did give me a new fact.
• 30:38
  Track 2: I'm not going to tell you.
• 30:40
  Track 4: Why are you asking him? What if he says it and it's yours?
• 30:43
  Track 3: Oh, a fact about this?
• 30:44
  Track 2: No, it wasn't about the third one.
• 30:45
  Track 3: Okay, okay. I want to surprise people with this fact because it's so fucking funny.
• 30:52
  Track 3: I feel like I'm going to say it and you guys are going to be like,
• 30:54
  Track 3: yeah, that's a well-known fact.
• 30:55
  Track 1: I mean, now that I'm thinking, Bill, to my talking about the 50s,
• 31:00
  Track 1: I guess you're right that they don't make it seem ideal. But the other thing
• 31:04
  Track 1: that they also don't make, like, the 1980s seem good, they just kind of, like, make...
• 31:10
  Track 1: life seemed shitty for mostly everyone and the only reason marty's life got
• 31:15
  Track 1: better was because he gave his dad a pep talk when he was like a teenager and
• 31:20
  Track 1: somehow used that advice like to better himself for the rest of you know his next 40 30 years.
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  Track 3: Or whatever right to not be spineless don't be fucking spineless there was a
• 31:30
  Track 3: little bit of trauma involved.
• 31:32
  Track 4: To not just the pep talk.
• 31:34
  Track 3: Yeah yeah there
• 31:37
  Track 3: was some weird stuff i i feel like it could be
• 31:40
  Track 3: a commentary of like you know everybody that thought
• 31:43
  Track 3: life was shitty in the 80s and like the people that wanted to go back to the
• 31:47
  Track 3: 50s like hey the 50s weren't good either and then now in 2025 there's still
• 31:51
  Track 3: people that think the 50s would be cool whoever thinks the 50s would be cool
• 31:56
  Track 3: is a fucking loser it does Nothing about the 50s,
• 32:01
  Track 3: even like all the horrible shit,
• 32:04
  Track 3: like the good, quote unquote, good stuff still seems fucking boring.
• 32:09
  Track 3: Awful. Awful all around.
• 32:11
  Track 3: I hope we don't have any 50s lovers out there. And I just shit all over there.
• 32:16
  Track 1: That was my favorite decade, goddammit.
• 32:20
  Track 2: I do like the style.
• 32:21
  Track 4: Could housewives still get really cool drugs in the 50s?
• 32:25
  Track 3: I hate the style.
• 32:26
  Track 1: I think the cars are like the one cool thing.
• 32:28
  Track 2: Yeah, the cars are good.
• 32:29
  Track 3: I could, I could. The cars are cool. That's about it.
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  Track 1: Yeah. Nothing, nothing much else for me, really.
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  Track 2: I mean, I mean, I mean, actually, I think I might be more 40s.
• 32:39
  Track 2: Yeah, I'm probably more 40s.
• 32:40
  Track 1: Style.
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  Track 3: Well, yeah, I feel like, like, earlier decades were really cool and fun.
• 32:47
  Track 3: And then the 50s was like, they regressed into like, boring and,
• 32:53
  Track 3: I don't know, like, sterile.
• 32:56
  Track 2: I just, I find it very interesting that like, if you like, you know,
• 33:00
  Track 2: like read about, you know, like,
• 33:01
  Track 2: thematic like analysis of these movies like reaganism
• 33:05
  Track 2: and american anxieties like come up a lot and i'm just like that they are actually
• 33:10
  Track 2: like these movies promote reaganism which like i can't how i don't understand
• 33:17
  Track 2: where the claim comes from that these movies promote the concepts of reaganism so.
• 33:22
  Track 3: Just some random people are saying it promotes reaganism.
• 33:26
  Track 2: Or is it.
• 33:26
  Track 3: Like the director.
• 33:27
  Track 2: There is like a critics and film studies. People have like said this like repeatedly,
• 33:31
  Track 2: like throughout the years.
• 33:33
  Track 3: Yes. I think that's what Crispin Glover was on about too.
• 33:37
  Track 1: Why?
• 33:38
  Track 3: One of the reasons why he didn't come back for this sequel is that he had a,
• 33:42
  Track 3: he had an issue with, with specifically the ending where he felt like the,
• 33:48
  Track 3: the, the, he had, I think he had a problem with the, the truck.
• 33:52
  Track 3: Like, like Marty gets his big toy, like his cool toy at the end.
• 33:57
  Track 3: like he felt like it's kind of like it is
• 33:59
  Track 3: a sick truck it's got those lights on it so sick um but he felt like it kind
• 34:05
  Track 3: of like neutered the emotional impact of like his family is happy finally and
• 34:11
  Track 3: right after that he gets the cool truck i do i do agree with that i can see that i.
• 34:17
  Track 2: Can totally see that yes but like overall like.
• 34:20
  Track 3: Mm-hmm.
• 34:22
  Track 2: Honestly, I think to me,
• 34:26
  Track 2: these movies are so light on actual intention like that, that it's like you
• 34:32
  Track 2: have to put an effort into making that effort to draw that in.
• 34:37
  Track 2: Because I don't think it's Amikas is trying to say anything fucking deep about
• 34:41
  Track 2: anything. I don't think he is.
• 34:43
  Track 3: No, I agree with that.
• 34:48
  Track 3: I think legitimately all that they were trying to do is make a successful comedy
• 34:55
  Track 3: with Steven Spielberg because they had had two attempts already that failed miserably.
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  Track 3: And they had written the script and they were shopping it and nobody wanted it.
• 35:05
  Track 3: And so Zemeckis went and did Romancing the Stone because it kind of seemed like
• 35:09
  Track 3: a good opportunity to show, okay, I can make a successful movie.
• 35:13
  Track 3: um and i think they were just trying to make just
• 35:16
  Track 3: a fun summer blockbuster um
• 35:20
  Track 3: like the the the writing of the script i originated where bob gale was looking
• 35:26
  Track 3: through his dad's yearbook and was just like would i be friends with my dad
• 35:31
  Track 3: because me and my looks like me and my dad when we were in high school were
• 35:34
  Track 3: so different um and i think i yeah i think it's just as meant to be like a screwball comedy.
• 35:40
  Track 4: I don't think it is that deep i was
• 35:43
  Track 4: trying to go through and like try to pull some like oh
• 35:46
  Track 4: let's see if there's like any political intentions and like
• 35:49
  Track 4: yeah no i couldn't really get anything
• 35:52
  Track 4: like too tangible to work with
• 35:55
  Track 4: except for like the biggest one is like in the
• 35:58
  Track 4: second movie there's like the very liberal notion of like oh when good people
• 36:02
  Track 4: are like in charge and good things happen to good people good economic conditions
• 36:07
  Track 4: happen but if bad people are in charge and they take advantage then bad economic
• 36:13
  Track 4: conditions and that's like the most i could get,
• 36:18
  Track 4: socioeconomic analysis out of these films.
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  Track 2: Yeah it's kind of like in that case it's like you can
• 36:24
  Track 2: draw that from like anything it's you know and intention i do think that intention
• 36:28
  Track 2: like when you just when we're discussing things like this intention does matter
• 36:32
  Track 2: it contributes to the conversation and i i just i don't think i don't think
• 36:36
  Track 2: zamikis is that deep like no offense to me no offense to zamikis evan.
• 36:41
  Track 1: Yeah i mean i was gonna say i mean i think the way
• 36:44
  Track 1: that i mean i think you're right colin i think he was just they're trying to
• 36:47
  Track 1: make a fun comedy i think we say this in a lot of episodes
• 36:50
  Track 1: where they may not have been attempting or working
• 36:53
  Track 1: towards anything that was remotely political i don't
• 36:56
  Track 1: think they were injecting it maybe in the second with like the biff
• 36:59
  Track 1: character which we can talk about and what they were actually going for
• 37:02
  Track 1: like that was clearly modeled after donald trump in the
• 37:05
  Track 1: 1980s but i think they're just like
• 37:07
  Track 1: liberal-minded guys making just sort of things that
• 37:10
  Track 1: lean slightly conservative to the point of
• 37:13
  Track 1: like what crispin glover talked about and sort of the materialism is
• 37:17
  Track 1: the most important thing in a way at the end of the first one which i could
• 37:20
  Track 1: see as a perfectly valid criticism but i think for them that was just like the
• 37:25
  Track 1: happy ending right they get what they want you know i don't think they were
• 37:28
  Track 1: thinking like oh yeah it's this is sort of a conservative or you know boomer
• 37:34
  Track 1: generation like the gen that gen x getting what they want there.
• 37:37
  Track 2: Are also things to be said about material needs being met and like Like, I don't think Michael J.
• 37:43
  Track 2: Fox's family's material needs were really being met all that well.
• 37:47
  Track 2: Like, you know, like, yeah, he got a car, but also, like, part of that is also, like, they are...
• 37:54
  Track 2: they're they're secure now they have security which they did not have before
• 37:59
  Track 2: you know and it's like that also does matter like that they have some kind of
• 38:07
  Track 2: security now in their lives like,
• 38:09
  Track 2: which goes along with like when you're non-security when you're not secure like
• 38:13
  Track 2: people fall back on things like leotops like being an alcoholic like their lives
• 38:19
  Track 2: fundamentally change like what could be said is that material needs and material
• 38:23
  Track 2: conditions do matter like,
• 38:26
  Track 2: and one of those things is like is having the things you need to live in the
• 38:30
  Track 2: society you live in and like it's fucked up but like that's also a thing you
• 38:35
  Track 2: have to like grapple with and he previously didn't have those things their family
• 38:41
  Track 2: didn't have those things.
• 38:42
  Track 1: We could go to the second movie because we're kind of sort of bleeding in to it a little bit,
• 38:49
  Track 1: And for any, I mean, obviously we've already shared spoilers.
• 38:51
  Track 1: Like the first movie ends, as we've talked about, is that they go back,
• 38:54
  Track 1: you know, he gets back the old doc from 1955, helps him return to 1985.
• 39:01
  Track 1: Leah Thompson, you know, is there. Not before his mom tries to fuck him.
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  Track 4: He has his beautiful truck.
• 39:04
  Track 1: He's going to go on his trip. And then they have, what's so funny to me is they
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  Track 1: claim that there was no intention to making a sequel when they made the most
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  Track 1: sequel ending you could possibly make.
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  Track 1: Yeah. I don't, I've watched commentary and, you know, all these things and they
• 39:21
  Track 1: claim they weren't, like, thinking of the sequel. I think that's bullshit.
• 39:26
  Track 1: I don't know. I mean.
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  Track 4: How the fuck were they not planning a sequel with that fucking ending?
• 39:31
  Track 2: That's a lie. They're lying.
• 39:32
  Track 3: That's a lie.
• 39:33
  Track 1: And they literally also, the ending credits of the original movie,
• 39:36
  Track 1: when there was no, like, when it first came out, it says to be continued.
• 39:40
  Track 1: But the joke was, like, that's, like, to be continued in the future,
• 39:43
  Track 1: not, like, with a movie. Which, again, come on.
• 39:46
  Track 3: Hmm.
• 39:47
  Track 1: It's like, I was born at night, but I wasn't born last night.
• 39:51
  Track 3: It is like one of, probably one of the best third acts of a movie of all time.
• 39:56
  Track 1: It's really fun.
• 39:58
  Track 3: Yeah.
• 39:59
  Track 2: The second movie to me is where, like, I know I, I joke. I,
• 40:04
  Track 2: Alien and Aliens are really just one movie. But, like, Back to the Future 1
• 40:09
  Track 2: and 2, like, they work so brilliantly together.
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  Track 2: Like, watching 2 really makes you, like, really appreciate.
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  Track 2: And now, I will say that I have long loved 2 to the point where there are times
• 40:24
  Track 2: where I've been like, I think I might like 2 more than 1.
• 40:27
  Track 3: Wow.
• 40:28
  Track 2: Because there are aspects of 2 that, like, balance of where,
• 40:32
  Track 2: like, you're referencing the first one.
• 40:34
  Track 2: And it's like constantly feedback, that constant feedback of one and how the
• 40:40
  Track 2: two scripts come together so seamlessly.
• 40:43
  Track 2: The second movie is a brilliant piece of script work. It really is.
• 40:49
  Track 1: Well i think what like your point kind of like
• 40:51
  Track 1: the second act of the first
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  Track 1: movie also makes the second one even better
• 40:58
  Track 1: because it i can't speak of
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  Track 1: how brilliant it is to redo a part of the first movie but from like different
• 41:06
  Track 1: angles and perspectives like they talk about how hard it was to recreate you
• 41:11
  Track 1: know because they end up having to go back to 1980 1955 again in the sequel
• 41:16
  Track 1: in real life than he did Time.
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  Track 2: Machine it was hard.
• 41:19
  Track 1: Yeah right yeah they had to wait until it was invented before they could make
• 41:23
  Track 1: the movie it's really hard but yeah,
• 41:25
  Track 1: I love the just the whole you know everything that Doc has to do like he's on
• 41:31
  Track 1: the clock and he's that was the fact Bill that's the fact yes.
• 41:36
  Track 2: It's a reference to a I actually don't remember the name of the movie it's a
• 41:40
  Track 2: reference to one of the more famous silent films when Doc is falling off the clock.
• 41:46
  Track 1: And he's trying to.
• 41:47
  Track 3: Oh, yeah. Okay. Is it a Buster Keaton thing or what is it?
• 41:52
  Track 2: Oh.
• 41:53
  Track 3: I can see it. I can see it in my head.
• 41:56
  Track 4: Yell for Jackie. Yell for Jackie now.
• 42:00
  Track 2: What movie is it again? The silent movie? Safety Last. Is it Buster Keaton? Buster Keaton.
• 42:05
  Track 2: No.
• 42:06
  Track 3: No? No.
• 42:07
  Track 2: Who is it?
• 42:09
  Track 3: So sorry, Harold Lloyd.
• 42:10
  Track 2: She's going to fight Cullen.
• 42:11
  Track 3: Okay.
• 42:12
  Track 1: I would have thought Buster Keaton, too, just based on the physical comedy that he does.
• 42:17
  Track 3: Who the fuck is Buster Keaton?
• 42:18
  Track 2: What? Are you serious?
• 42:20
  Track 3: Who is Buster Keaton?
• 42:21
  Track 4: See, Caitlin's not a nerd.
• 42:23
  Track 2: Who Buster Keaton is?
• 42:25
  Track 3: He was in Back to the Future 3.
• 42:28
  Track 2: He's like one of the most famous old-timey actors of all time.
• 42:32
  Track 3: Yeah. If you look up Buster Keaton's stuff, you've seen Buster Keaton.
• 42:35
  Track 3: Cullen always is like, if you look up whatever old person name,
• 42:39
  Track 3: and then I'm like, I have no idea who this person is.
• 42:41
  Track 1: He invented some of those insane special effects with, obviously,
• 42:45
  Track 1: just practical effects, like ever made.
• 42:47
  Track 3: Yeah. But it's not him.
• 42:50
  Track 2: It's not him.
• 42:51
  Track 3: Yeah, it's not him.
• 42:52
  Track 2: It's Safety Last, which is Harold Lloyd, which was a 1923 silent romantic comedy.
• 42:59
  Track 1: Wait, you think his name was also Lloyd? That's weird.
• 43:02
  Track 2: Yes.
• 43:02
  Track 3: Crazy.
• 43:04
  Track 1: We can go past that part. Oh, go ahead. Sorry, Cole.
• 43:08
  Track 3: Oh, I was just going to say, like, I can see, now that you say that,
• 43:11
  Track 3: I can see that scene in my head. And yeah, that makes perfect sense.
• 43:15
  Track 1: It's so good. Like, his pants are ripping and, like, the thing is attached and
• 43:18
  Track 1: it's, you know, he's, like, going to lose it.
• 43:20
  Track 1: And then the tree falls and he has to slide down. And you're like,
• 43:24
  Track 1: oh, my God. Every time I watch him, I'm like, is he going to do it?
• 43:26
  Track 2: Yeah.
• 43:28
  Track 3: It escalates in a perfect way.
• 43:29
  Track 2: It's one of those things that's like, you know it's going to happen.
• 43:32
  Track 2: But no matter how many times you've watched it, you're like,
• 43:34
  Track 2: ooh, is he going to succeed?
• 43:38
  Track 3: Right.
• 43:39
  Track 1: And also, how did he not die from the lightning going through at the same time?
• 43:44
  Track 2: He got blown off. He's fine. People live from lightning strikes.
• 43:48
  Track 2: In real life, people live from lightning strikes.
• 43:49
  Track 1: He only got hit by 1.1 gigawatts, not 1.21.
• 43:53
  Track 3: Yeah.
• 43:53
  Track 1: But yeah, the second one, for people who don't know,
• 43:57
  Track 1: it takes place like it's literally the end of the first movie is Doc Brown comes back from the future,
• 44:02
  Track 1: takes Marty and his and Jen to 2015 to with also one of my favorite lines.
• 44:10
  Track 1: And it's like, what do we become assholes or something?
• 44:12
  Track 1: And he's like, no, like that's the worst thing that could happen is you could become assholes.
• 44:19
  Track 3: I think I know I'm probably alone in this, but for me, the issue I have with
• 44:25
  Track 3: the second one is the first act.
• 44:26
  Track 3: And as a kid, that was my favorite part because I was like the hoverboards and everything.
• 44:30
  Track 3: But I feel like the second and third act of the second movie is really strong.
• 44:35
  Track 3: But the first act just doesn't, I feel like the explanation of why they need
• 44:39
  Track 3: to go back doesn't, or why they need to go into the future doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
• 44:44
  Track 3: and and then some of the stuff of them in the future just doesn't hold up for
• 44:49
  Track 3: me quite as well as it did when when i had first seen it.
• 44:52
  Track 1: What gets me.
• 44:53
  Track 2: What gets me about the second one is they literally leave his girlfriend in
• 44:58
  Track 2: an alleyway in garbage yeah she's just there.
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  Track 3: They sure do.
• 45:04
  Track 2: Until the.
• 45:04
  Track 3: End of the third.
• 45:05
  Track 2: Movie.
• 45:05
  Track 1: So in a pile of
• 45:08
  Track 1: garbage here's here's my big here's my
• 45:11
  Track 1: big question here might be a question about part two that i've been
• 45:14
  Track 1: like thinking about this a lot according to like doc and
• 45:17
  Track 1: like marty himself he blames himself because he
• 45:20
  Track 1: bought the the almanac he biff
• 45:24
  Track 1: overhears the conversation steals the steals
• 45:27
  Track 1: the time machine and gives it to himself to make himself rich in the future right
• 45:30
  Track 1: in my opinion it's actually doc brown's fault
• 45:33
  Track 1: for all of this because if he didn't show up
• 45:36
  Track 1: brown's fault well no but but here hear me
• 45:39
  Track 1: out if he didn't show up in broad daylight which
• 45:42
  Track 1: he also thought was a bad idea to let people see the time machine biff sees
• 45:47
  Track 1: him in the in the in the driveway it's like what's that is that a time machine
• 45:50
  Track 1: and then he remembers that nugget 30 years ahead and then he sees the time machine
• 45:54
  Track 1: again and it triggers him to then realize what it is to then steal it to give
• 45:59
  Track 1: himself the almanac but if he had,
• 46:03
  Track 1: later that night also why.
• 46:04
  Track 4: Not be like.
• 46:05
  Track 3: Hey hey it's doc when you guys have kids your son's gonna get mixed up in this
• 46:11
  Track 3: thing so just make sure on this day like playing a family.
• 46:14
  Track 4: Vacation or something.
• 46:15
  Track 3: Like why do they have to go into the future to to deal with this.
• 46:20
  Track 4: Exactly like wasn't part of the
• 46:22
  Track 4: whole first movie like stressing like hey we can't just be fucking around with
• 46:26
  Track 4: time machine for personal gain you gotta be careful how you affect time and
• 46:32
  Track 4: then like the first the second movie starts off with like hey in the future
• 46:36
  Track 4: your kid fucks up so we gotta use this time machine for personal gain that is.
• 46:42
  Track 2: Actually doc brown's like marty's marty's character arc is like basically learning
• 46:51
  Track 2: responsibility in a lot of ways and like also becoming sure for himself Doc Brown's, like...
• 46:58
  Track 2: Actual story arc is being connected to other people and caring about things
• 47:05
  Track 2: that are beyond the intellectual.
• 47:07
  Track 2: That is his story arc. His story arc starts out, we can't interfere with things,
• 47:13
  Track 2: and ends with, I will destroy my intellectual,
• 47:17
  Track 2: my, by movie three, his story arc ends with, I will destroy the thing,
• 47:23
  Track 2: I will leave behind everything.
• 47:26
  Track 2: And destroy the greatest piece of intellectual work I've ever done for love.
• 47:32
  Track 2: And movie two is, I will risk my intellectual integrity to ensure the well-being
• 47:40
  Track 2: of the son of this, you know,
• 47:43
  Track 2: this, this person who like has come to be like almost like a surrogate son to
• 47:47
  Track 2: him. Like that's, that's doc.
• 47:49
  Track 2: That's his story arc learning to care about things.
• 47:52
  Track 3: And that's what really bothers me when you guys say part three is bad is because
• 47:56
  Track 3: you don't want to see doc fall in love you don't want to see doc be happy and
• 48:00
  Track 3: that's that's the problem with you guys doc brown haters there are.
• 48:03
  Track 2: I have very.
• 48:04
  Track 4: Specific in all fairness doc brown's arc started with undermining the libyan nuclear program.
• 48:10
  Track 3: Okay and.
• 48:12
  Track 4: Leading to the toppling in the coup of gaddafi,
• 48:16
  Track 4: That's not the gang's fault.
• 48:17
  Track 2: That's unfair. That's unfair.
• 48:19
  Track 4: How's that unfair?
• 48:21
  Track 2: I don't think you can lay, I don't think you put the whole thing at his feet. I think you can.
• 48:25
  Track 3: I think you can more.
• 48:26
  Track 4: They rightfully stole the plutonium. Okay. Just fully.
• 48:30
  Track 4: And then hired somebody who scammed them. Yeah. It's his, it's his fault.
• 48:36
  Track 1: It actually reminds me of one of my favorite lines is when he goes back in time
• 48:39
  Track 1: in the first movie and he's like, yeah, sure.
• 48:41
  Track 1: I'm sure in 1985, anyone can just buy plutonium at any corner store.
• 48:44
  Track 1: But in 1955, it's hard to come by.
• 48:47
  Track 1: It's like, why would anyone need to buy plutonium at the grocery store?
• 48:50
  Track 2: It's the same logic of Fallout universe. It's like, you know,
• 48:53
  Track 2: at a certain point, in the 1950s, they were like, you know, 20 years from now,
• 48:57
  Track 2: we're just going to be using fucking radioactivity for everything.
• 49:00
  Track 1: Yeah, that's true.
• 49:01
  Track 2: Put it in the car.
• 49:02
  Track 3: I went to that for a minute.
• 49:03
  Track 2: At a certain point in actual history, they were putting radioactive material
• 49:07
  Track 2: in children's toys. Okay?
• 49:09
  Track 2: I just, like, in real life.
• 49:11
  Track 1: What was that, Caitlin? yeah.
• 49:13
  Track 2: No i have specific that is not my problem with three i have specific reasons i don't.
• 49:19
  Track 1: Just wait wait we're not there everyone's everyone's excited to just to get
• 49:25
  Track 1: the three well one of the things that i thought when i just thought of this
• 49:28
  Track 1: is it would have been funny if they had somehow like invented nfts in this like
• 49:32
  Track 1: in the future like that was like one of the things they invented but they did it.
• 49:39
  Track 2: I love the, I love the, like the way the future is imagined by people.
• 49:45
  Track 2: It is the future as imagined by these people is exactly the future that all
• 49:50
  Track 2: of these like tech bro oligarchs try to create.
• 49:55
  Track 2: And it is the most empty, vapid, hollow thing.
• 50:01
  Track 2: And it's really like the, and to me, like, that's like the big thing that jumps out.
• 50:06
  Track 2: And this is not, I don't think it's a deliberate action on the part of the creators,
• 50:10
  Track 2: but this is a reflection of the mentality that if you do not change anything,
• 50:17
  Track 2: despite the fact that you get toys,
• 50:22
  Track 2: things change, technology advances, and people get shiny new things,
• 50:26
  Track 2: but nothing fundamentally changes.
• 50:29
  Track 2: If you don't change the system, nothing changes. You just get more expensive toys.
• 50:36
  Track 2: that's it and that's exactly what they portray in that in two when they go back
• 50:41
  Track 2: to the future it's like fundamentally nothing has changed you have jaws 19 and you.
• 50:47
  Track 1: Have like the mayor's the mayor's like great great or.
• 50:50
  Track 2: Like grandson.
• 50:51
  Track 1: Is now the mayor.
• 50:52
  Track 2: Yeah if you don't change you do get the ayatollah at the cafe 80s though that's true that's true.
• 50:59
  Track 1: Which is awesome.
• 51:00
  Track 4: Oh, they got rid of lawyers in the future. There is that.
• 51:04
  Track 1: But they didn't get rid of capitalism, so.
• 51:06
  Track 2: They probably just called them something different. They got rid of them the
• 51:09
  Track 2: way libertarians get rid of things. They just call it a different thing.
• 51:14
  Track 1: Corporatism, guys.
• 51:15
  Track 2: Corporatism.
• 51:15
  Track 3: Still got fax machines, though.
• 51:17
  Track 2: Yeah, still got fax machines.
• 51:18
  Track 3: They still got fax machines. They could not dream bigger than fax machines. They got wear two ties.
• 51:23
  Track 2: To be clear, we can't get rid of fax machines in real life again.
• 51:27
  Track 2: Why? Please make that go away.
• 51:29
  Track 4: They just imagine smaller ones everywhere.
• 51:32
  Track 1: I like the dehydrator, the pizza thing. That was always pretty cool.
• 51:34
  Track 1: The little thing that comes down.
• 51:36
  Track 4: The Black & Decker rehydrator.
• 51:39
  Track 1: I do also like how Marty plays all of the characters in that.
• 51:42
  Track 1: He plays his sister. He plays his son, everything.
• 51:46
  Track 3: It's bizarre.
• 51:47
  Track 2: It's bizarre.
• 51:48
  Track 3: Is that a guy in weird Crispin Glover makeup? Yeah. It's a real nutty professor situation.
• 51:54
  Track 2: Speaking of makeup, Evan, I have to ask you this.
• 51:57
  Track 2: in two okay in the first act of
• 52:00
  Track 2: two marty is accosted by another person to save the clock tower it is an old
• 52:07
  Track 2: man it's a person in old man makeup do you know who that is why is he an old
• 52:13
  Track 2: man makeup why why didn't they
• 52:15
  Track 2: just get an old man fuck you're right it's gotta be someone if they're.
• 52:19
  Track 3: If they're dressing them.
• 52:20
  Track 2: Up who is like that's there's it's not a callback it's never referenced again
• 52:25
  Track 2: who is that person are you talking.
• 52:28
  Track 1: About the guy who comes up to Marty and asked him to give money for the.
• 52:31
  Track 2: Clock hour and he yes well.
• 52:33
  Track 4: That happens in the first but it's an old lady.
• 52:35
  Track 2: But it's a real old lady but in the second what if it's an old lady in an old
• 52:40
  Track 2: man makeup it's an actual old lady like a like a natural like in the second one what.
• 52:44
  Track 4: If it's the old lady in makeup in old.
• 52:47
  Track 2: Man makeup.
• 52:48
  Track 4: Cause we hear.
• 52:49
  Track 2: The cops talking about like.
• 52:50
  Track 4: Oh my god that's a hell of a facelift so they gotta have some good facelifts.
• 52:54
  Track 2: What she.
• 52:55
  Track 4: Might have one.
• 52:56
  Track 1: Of the really good facelifts I think the best part of the joke about the facelift
• 53:00
  Track 1: is he looked exactly the fucking same.
• 53:02
  Track 2: They're talking about they're talking about wait the girlfriend that's what
• 53:06
  Track 2: they're talking about when they said the facelift oh which no.
• 53:09
  Track 4: When leah when leah thompson's love passed out in the.
• 53:12
  Track 2: No they're not leah thompson the.
• 53:14
  Track 4: Fucking girlfriend that's passed out in the alley yeah.
• 53:16
  Track 2: It's when elizabeth shoe passes out which i do believe we should talk about
• 53:20
  Track 2: the replacement of elizabeth shoe and what people how people feel about elizabeth
• 53:24
  Track 2: shoe being the replacement of the girlfriend i.
• 53:26
  Track 3: Do want to talk about that because the girl they replaced her with is.
• 53:30
  Track 2: It's elizabeth show okay.
• 53:32
  Track 3: Well she is in uh adventures and babysitting is that the movie has anyone seen that oh.
• 53:40
  Track 1: Yeah fuck yeah.
• 53:41
  Track 3: Okay well i had a big crush on her when i was little so i do like to see her the reason she wasn't.
• 53:47
  Track 1: In the sequel because she quit.
• 53:48
  Track 4: Caitlin will not be bad mouthing her.
• 53:50
  Track 2: Yeah her mother had cancer i
• 53:53
  Track 2: stand her yeah but i don't i prefer the original
• 53:56
  Track 2: actor that played the girlfriend she elizabeth shoe's
• 54:00
  Track 2: presentation is way more just like fraught like she seems so like high strung
• 54:07
  Track 2: and kind of like manic and like uppity jennifer in the the first movie seems
• 54:13
  Track 2: so just like chill and cool yeah and elizabeth's presentation is so off she.
• 54:20
  Track 3: Doesn't get to do much other than be confused and then pass out.
• 54:23
  Track 2: Yeah that's.
• 54:24
  Track 3: Pretty much all she gets to do.
• 54:25
  Track 2: And hide.
• 54:27
  Track 4: And be put- Hide while confused.
• 54:29
  Track 2: Barrel bales of giant CDs.
• 54:32
  Track 3: That's-
• 54:34
  Track 1: Those were Laserdiscs, Bill. Those were gems.
• 54:37
  Track 3: Which I love.
• 54:39
  Track 2: It's like, they're like, in the future, we're not going past this.
• 54:42
  Track 2: They're just going to get bigger. They're just going to get bigger.
• 54:45
  Track 1: The guy who plays the guy you're talking about who looks old,
• 54:49
  Track 1: I found who that it was. He was not old. They just decided to make him look older.
• 54:52
  Track 2: Yeah, I know that. I want to know why.
• 54:55
  Track 3: Bill.
• 54:56
  Track 2: That's the fucking question. That's the question.
• 54:59
  Track 4: Why couldn't you just get an old guy?
• 55:01
  Track 3: Bill's question.
• 55:02
  Track 1: I think the idea, so that actor was in Who Framed Roger Rabbit the year before, between one and two.
• 55:09
  Track 1: I'm guessing he just wanted him
• 55:10
  Track 1: in the movie and he just didn't think he would look good as a young guy.
• 55:13
  Track 2: It's such a weird choice.
• 55:14
  Track 3: What?
• 55:15
  Track 2: It's such a weird choice. I know, I mean.
• 55:17
  Track 3: That's crazy.
• 55:17
  Track 2: It is such a fucking weird choice.
• 55:20
  Track 3: Maybe there was something that they filmed or were planning the film of when
• 55:24
  Track 3: they go back to 1985 or something.
• 55:27
  Track 3: And so he was going to play two different ages, maybe. that had to be it because
• 55:31
  Track 3: what a fucking weird thing to do yeah out.
• 55:34
  Track 2: Of context it's truly bizarre.
• 55:36
  Track 3: Yeah well he's the voice for.
• 55:38
  Track 1: Roger rabbit not just the cab in the in the who framed roger rabbit that's.
• 55:41
  Track 3: The voice actor.
• 55:42
  Track 1: From roger that's royalty.
• 55:44
  Track 3: Oh yeah yeah.
• 55:45
  Track 4: Why hide that.
• 55:46
  Track 3: Yeah hey.
• 55:48
  Track 2: Did you guys know that who framed roger rabbit is according to evan a child's
• 55:52
  Track 2: a kid's movie it's kids movie.
• 55:54
  Track 3: Excuse yeah listen that's a lot of our sexual awakening okay it's more than
• 56:01
  Track 3: just a kids movie it's the sexiest it's the sexiest kids movie there is.
• 56:08
  Track 1: All right, so I figured it out. This guy, Terry, the guy, he was the auto mechanic in 1955.
• 56:16
  Track 3: Oh, okay.
• 56:17
  Track 2: Okay.
• 56:18
  Track 3: Okay.
• 56:19
  Track 1: So that's why he's older. It had to be that. So you're right.
• 56:22
  Track 4: That makes sense. But they could have just got somebody else.
• 56:26
  Track 3: Yeah, certainly.
• 56:27
  Track 2: 1950, what year are they in?
• 56:30
  Track 1: 60 years later. So if he was 20, he could be 80, but they have lots of surgeries now.
• 56:34
  Track 2: So you could look like he's 60. Okay.
• 56:36
  Track 4: Faceless.
• 56:37
  Track 2: They did it. It's so extensive. Like, you cannot recognize him at all. Like, at all.
• 56:42
  Track 1: He's the one. When Biff gets into the accident in the manure and he's arguing
• 56:46
  Track 1: with him over how much money he is, that's the same actor.
• 56:48
  Track 2: There's no way to know that.
• 56:50
  Track 3: They could just not have done that.
• 56:52
  Track 1: No, I never knew this, and I know a lot about this movie.
• 56:55
  Track 2: There's no way to know that in the movie. That's wild.
• 56:59
  Track 3: Yeah, that's insane.
• 57:01
  Track 1: The other funny thing that I noticed when I, like, did some, like,
• 57:04
  Track 1: stop, like, the screenshots, when they show like newspaper you know how they
• 57:07
  Track 1: often use like newspapers and it's like oh the the story changes there are a
• 57:12
  Track 1: bunch of really funny newspapers like the i guess the big crux of the second
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  Track 1: movie is that they create an alternate 1985 they have to go back and fix,
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  Track 1: which i think is also just like an awesome plot point and like they have to
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  Track 1: go to this weird 85 where biff tannen who's like donald trump is like a what the casino I don't know.
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  Track 1: not oligarch isn't the right word.
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  Track 2: He is posited as if he is some kind of
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  Track 2: local he's not just like yeah like
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  Track 2: he's not just like he is in charge
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  Track 2: like they pot the way he is posited in that thing as if he actually and when
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  Track 2: i was a child i thought he was just in charge of america like the way he's like
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  Track 2: putting like he's just in charge like he he rules america like that's the way
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  Track 2: it's it's kind of like put out there is as if like he's the president or like emperor of america.
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  Track 1: Well i'm about to put a put a thorn in your plan because when he holds a newspaper
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  Track 1: in that period it says that nixon's seeking his fifth term so nixon is still president somehow.
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  Track 2: Biff chanon seems to have a lot of power for a guy that he's.
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  Track 1: He's vice president.
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  Track 2: Yeah like i.
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  Track 4: Don't know because i mean he doesn't just own a casino with all those headlines.
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  Track 2: Like one.
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  Track 4: Of the The headline says, like, he owns nuclear power plants that dump toxic chemicals. Yeah.
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  Track 4: Like in mass, but like he owns nuclear power plants for fuck's sake.
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  Track 4: Like Mr. Burns type shit.
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  Track 1: Did he fund the Libyan nuclear program?
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  Track 4: Probably not.
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  Track 2: Probably not.
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  Track 4: Like there's not cool.
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  Track 3: Yeah, he's not based.
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  Track 2: He is like running shit.
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  Track 4: He owns the police.
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  Track 2: Yeah.
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  Track 1: Kid, I own the police.
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  Track 2: I can't imagine being the actor that plays Biff Tannen.
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  Track 2: His character is one of the most insufferable, obnoxious, purely,
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  Track 2: easily hated, hateable characters.
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  Track 2: I couldn't imagine being that man.
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  Track 3: I would love to do that.
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  Track 2: He's like the original kid that played Joffrey.
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  Track 2: Three movies in a row, you just play the worst person in the movie.
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  Track 1: What's even crazier is the first Back to the Future movie was his first speaking role in a movie.
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  Track 3: Damn.
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  Track 2: Hey, you, would you like to sexually assault a woman on screen?
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  Track 3: Boom.
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  Track 2: Not only that, I'll do it two more times.
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  Track 4: Not only that, Bill, hey, do you want to be an asshole the entire time in a
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  Track 4: movie and sexually assault some people?
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  Track 4: And then, hold on, at the end, you're a fucking loser.
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  Track 2: Yeah you sold are you sold,
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  Track 2: Like, it's a fucking wild choice. It's a wild choice.
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  Track 3: He also ends up in Horseshit. Not to bring it back to the third one, but...
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  Track 2: Three times.
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  Track 3: All three movies. All three movies. I definitely call it...
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  Track 2: In the third movie, it is especially ripe, though. It is...
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  Track 3: It is...
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  Track 2: Bright green.
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  Track 3: Yeah. Too much.
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  Track 1: Here's the question I have. The first movie, they never use,
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  Track 1: like, the joke where Marty, if they call him chicken, he, like,
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  Track 1: has to... But in the second one, they just materialize this sort of lore about him.
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  Track 1: How does that work exactly? I couldn't put my mind around.
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  Track 3: Yeah, it's, it's something that I would buy.
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  Track 3: I would, I would buy it if, if not the first, the whole plot point of the first
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  Track 3: movie that he, you know, he doesn't want to be like his dad,
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  Track 3: but his dad isn't like, he helps his dad overcome that, uh, aspect of his personality.
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  Track 3: So his dad isn't like that anymore. So that wouldn't really be an issue for him. And, you know.
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  Track 1: But maybe that's like the opposite now that because he had him stand up is that
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  Track 1: he always now has to stand up for himself like he took his own advice to the extreme i don't know i.
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  Track 2: Mean that's it's never it's never really like explored explicitly and it's also
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  Track 2: like it goes against his general character his general character is pretty chill
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  Track 2: he's yeah just a cool guy he's just he's just chill.
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  Track 1: That's like the one i mean there's lots of kind of inconsistencies in
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  Track 1: the time travel things but that always confused
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  Track 1: me but the only thing i could think of is at the end of the third movie like
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  Track 1: the very one of the very last scenes when he doesn't get into the car accident
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  Track 1: because he doesn't take the bait and that's in like the current 1985 like that's
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  Track 1: the beginning of the movie you know right time somehow that trans i don't know yeah.
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  Track 3: Well i think that's all in this in the scripts for that payoff at the end of the third movie.
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  Track 1: Right right yeah the whole the whole time, it has to lead to that.
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  Track 1: But there's also the great, like, in the second movie, when Biff's in the tub,
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  Track 1: and he's watching the Clint Eastwood with the bulletproof vest,
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  Track 1: and then he uses that in the second one. That's another great call.
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  Track 1: There's so many good calls.
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  Track 3: Right.
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  Track 1: That's why I like the third one.
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  Track 3: Yeah. You're all haters. Maybe it is, like, the first movie is learning to stand
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  Track 3: up for yourself, and then you got two and three is more.
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  Track 2: Learn to let things go.
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  Track 3: Right, yeah. Learning to pick your babbles.
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  Track 2: Though I do want to say, my media thought on what he did in the third one,
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  Track 2: which is like, hey, man, that's also super not safe.
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  Track 3: Yeah, why go in reverse, dude?
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  Track 2: That's also really dangerous.
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  Track 1: It's because he had to do the little quick spin around so he could then see,
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  Track 1: you know, the, I don't know.
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  Track 1: I just want power laces and a flying car. I don't know, man.
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  Track 2: I wanted a hoverboard so bad.
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  Track 3: Same.
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  Track 4: Hoverboard. power laces as well power laces exist in real life but they're goddamn expensive they.
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  Track 1: Release like some like 500 version of the ones from part two yeah like yeah.
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  Track 3: The shoes exist.
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  Track 4: Well they like yeah nike did an official release twice and i think they're like
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  Track 4: 500 at release but like for the first batch at least but like yeah that's not
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  Track 4: how much they sell for now no.
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  Track 1: It's like they're like 10 grand or something.
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  Track 4: No, they're like 60.
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  Track 1: Oh, geez, really?
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  Track 3: We're just keeping track. We just keep an eye out for Selena.
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  Track 4: I used to be a sneakerhead. And then watching this again, I was like,
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  Track 4: oh, shit, the power laces. Oh, fuck. I forgot about those.
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  Track 4: And so I looked up the current prices, and it was like the last couple pairs
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  Track 4: hold for like 60, 70,000.
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  Track 2: Jesus.
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  Track 4: Damn. Yeah, they released them in 2011. There was only like 1,100 pairs.
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  Track 4: and then again in 2016 but they only did like 60 pairs in.
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  Track 1: 2016 they could totally have something where i just like you press a button
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  Track 1: and it sort of retracts them or something if they wanted to yeah.
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  Track 4: Nike's made a couple other.
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  Track 2: Models there's a current there's a current a new they're they're it's called
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  Track 2: power lace it's actually a current company they're currently taking priority.
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  Track 1: It was anything from anything like from anything else from two we can hit three Just.
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  Track 3: The Crispin Glover Lawsuit,
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  Track 3: where he sued the company for using his likeness in the second movie.
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  Track 3: And that's kind of, well, it's still in all actors.
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  Track 3: If you're a member of the Screen Actors Guild now, all of your contracts have
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  Track 3: it where they can't use outtakes or you're trying to recreate your likeness
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  Track 3: in another movie without paying you something.
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  Track 1: Because of this movie.
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  Track 3: Oh. Yeah, yeah.
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  Track 2: You know what?
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  Track 3: Hell yeah yeah that's cool it's.
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  Track 1: Funny like in the in the like the behind the scenes the it's like zemeckis's
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  Track 1: way of describing of what happened was that he asked for more money they didn't
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  Track 1: want to give it to him because they didn't think he was worthy of that like
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  Track 1: thing and then he they just he they just decided to.
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  Track 3: Pass on him which i think he did
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  Track 3: he had a point asking for more money because apparently it
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  Track 3: was like less than half of what everybody else was
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  Track 3: getting paid and he's still he's a pretty iconic character not as
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  Track 3: much as mcfly and doc from the
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  Track 3: first one but i mean he still is a pretty iconic character
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  Track 3: from that movie so he was worth more but i
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  Track 3: i think i mean he's a fucking weird dude and other other explanations of what
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  Track 3: he was like when they were trying to make that movie make it sound like he was
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  Track 3: just a constant pain in the ass so i think they just were looking for any excuse
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  Track 3: to say like well we at we offered it but yeah They really didn't want him to be there.
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  Track 1: Christopher Lloyd apparently was pretty annoying, too. Like,
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  Track 1: he wouldn't do any of the, um, he wouldn't do, like, during the rehearsals, he wouldn't try.
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  Track 1: So they started actually filming the rehearsals to get him to actually do the scenes.
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  Track 1: And, like, Michael J. Fox said, like, they would just have to hope that they
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  Track 1: got it right, like, after one of the first takes. Because, like,
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  Track 1: he didn't want to do more takes, so.
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  Track 1: He just seems kind of like a dick. Michael J.
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  Track 2: Fox.
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  Track 1: They liked him, though.
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  Track 2: Michael J. Fox has quite a few stories about both of them, and he's like he
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  Track 2: knew Crispin Glover before,
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  Track 2: Like he never worked with him. Um, and he'd worked with Christopher Lloyd before.
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  Track 2: And he's like, and he said, and like one of these, like in the book that he
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  Track 2: wrote about, he's like, so first of all, Crispin Glover would not stay on Mark ever, ever.
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  Track 2: So that scene where they're in the backyard and there's, they're by the clothesline.
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  Track 2: Apparently the, they actually like fenced him in with sandbags and like stands.
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  Track 2: so that he was forced to go where they wanted him to go.
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  Track 2: Because otherwise, he wouldn't do it. He just refused to do it.
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  Track 2: He said that, like, Michael J.
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  Track 2: Fox says that he's like, he thinks that Glover basically thought of George McFly
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  Track 2: as like a free spirit and an adventurer and a wanderer.
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  Track 2: And so that his character, so he wouldn't,
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  Track 2: stay on that either to like embody the character and
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  Track 2: he's you know he says he's like christopher he's like
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  Track 2: working christopher lloyd he's like you never is like
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  Track 2: you you never know quite what's going to like happen he's like but not knowing
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  Track 2: what's going to happen is different than like not knowing what crispin glover
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  Track 2: is going to do which is like not only is you not what it was going to do but
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  Track 2: it's never going to be even in your wildest imagination what it's going to be
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  Track 2: it's always going to be like on what field like apparently he is a nightmare to work.
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  Track 3: Oh my god they did.
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  Track 4: Like it is christopher lloyd is unpredictable but in frame.
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  Track 2: Yeah yeah exactly that's basically what it is no.
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  Track 1: But christopher i mean crispin glover was on an episode of family ties with
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  Track 1: michael j fox so that's how yeah.
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  Track 2: Yeah he says like and he said he's like and he says he's like i like crispin
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  Track 2: glover he's like i genuinely like him as a person he's like but working with
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  Track 2: him was a nightmare he's like it just was bad he's like i like him i've known
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  Track 2: him before this he's like but working that's why he had that little pad right.
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  Track 1: So that he could write down his lines and not like run away.
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  Track 2: Yeah it's crazy yeah apparently he's the real he's one of those character those
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  Track 2: method actors who like you can't fucking like yeah yeah he's.
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  Track 3: Cut from the nicholas cage cloth yeah he does seem a lot like.
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  Track 2: Nicholas cage i don't know i yeah they.
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  Track 1: Kind of have like the same hairstyle too.
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  Track 2: And then Christopher Lloyd is his own, you could tell Christopher Lloyd is like
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  Track 2: barely acting. That's just who Christopher's like.
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  Track 4: That's great though.
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  Track 2: Yeah. He has been a favorite of mine since I was a child.
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  Track 2: You know, like I've always loved Christopher Lloyd. Like I watched Christopher Lloyd at Taxi.
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  Track 2: Like, you know, like watch the weird ones of Taxi.
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  Track 1: Christopher Lloyd was in the year before he did Back to the Future.
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  Track 1: No one's going to get that. National Improves Joy of Sex. which I didn't know.
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  Track 3: Was a movie I didn't either did they bury that movie like tiptoes I don't know.
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  Track 2: Tiptoes was not buried sadly also.
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  Track 3: Ernie hudson was in it we had a party where we watched tiptoes and our friend
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  Track 3: two of our friends we like in the group are no longer friends the trailer,
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  Track 3: because i would they're like our weirdest friends so they did end up enjoying
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  Track 3: it but in the group chat we sent the trailer and then and then when they got
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  Track 3: there mark and nox were like what the fuck are we watching we didn't watch the
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  Track 3: trailer that you sent and we were like Oh,
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  Track 3: I'm so glad you're coming into this movie night with no context.
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  Track 3: It was so funny. That was insane.
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  Track 4: I'm very happy, but sorry.
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  Track 3: It was insane and it kept going. It was crazy. Let's do next left of the projector. Let's do tiptoes.
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  Track 1: I've never seen that.
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  Track 3: I'm not kidding. Evan, it's so crazy. I can't believe it.
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  Track 3: Gary Oldman in the role of a lifetime.
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  Track 2: Evan, have you listened to our Greatest Rivals episode on Tip Tops?
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  Track 1: No.
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  Track 2: It's a good episode.
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  Track 3: Oh, my God. It's crazy. Gary Oldman is working off his knees.
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  Track 3: He's playing a little person, and he is literally on his knees.
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  Track 3: And in some of the shots, you can see his legs, like, behind.
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  Track 3: Wait, but I don't understand.
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  Track 1: But Peter Dinklage is in it. Why do they need him to be on his? Sorry.
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  Track 4: Because wonderful questions are being asked.
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  Track 3: Where Gary Oldman, his character, is sitting on a couch.
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  Track 3: And it's so obvious that the bottom half of his body is inside the couch.
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  Track 3: And he's just got dull legs.
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  Track 3: He's got Kermit the Frog legs. It's crazy.
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  Track 3: We rewinded that like 12 times. It was wildest thing I've ever seen in my life. It was so crazy.
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  Track 3: They put that man in a couch and then called it the role of a lifetime.
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  Track 1: I'm going to watch this tomorrow.
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  Track 2: They were like trying to get Oscars.
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  Track 3: He could tell his Oscar rate.
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  Track 2: Which, which, right. This is the best part. Okay. This is the best part.
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  Track 2: Gary Oldman in that movie.
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  Track 2: Gary Oldman in that movie is Matthew McConaughey's. Okay.
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  Track 3: Little.
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  Track 2: Gary Oldman in that movie is Matthew McConaughey's twin brother who was not a little person. Okay.
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  Track 3: Matthew McConaughey is not a little person.
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  Track 2: Gary Oldman is a little person. Who is his twin brother.
• 1:11:41
  Track 2: And then Peter Tinklage is just a separate character who is also like, why? What the fuck?
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  Track 3: It's crazy. It's the craziest movie I've ever seen. We quote it all the time.
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  Track 1: I'm going to watch it tomorrow.
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  Track 3: God, it's so funny. Fuck. I hate Gary Oldman with a passion.
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  Track 1: Oh, I love Gary Oldman.
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  Track 3: I hate that bitch. He's a bad person, Evan.
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  Track 1: I know, I know.
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  Track 3: He's a bad, bad man.
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  Track 1: I know, but he's in so many good moods.
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  Track 3: And they put him in a couch and try to get an Oscar from that. That makes me so mad.
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  Track 2: That's a plant.
• 1:12:20
  Track 3: That's an industry plant to me. That's a couch plant.
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  Track 3: Not since J.D. Vance has anyone been deeper inside a couch. Yes, bitch.
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  Track 1: Tiptoe the story of jd vance,
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  Track 1: cullen.
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  Track 3: That.
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  Track 2: Is that's the greatest line ever.
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  Track 3: Once an episode cullen will come out with like the best line it's crazy if only
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  Track 3: this episode was about that movie,
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  Track 3: Yeah, you got to keep the tiptoes part in, Evan. Release your tiptoes cut.
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  Track 4: Or at least say you're going to cut it and then leave it in.
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  Track 2: Yeah.
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  Track 3: Yeah.
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  Track 1: I usually do that.
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  Track 2: So it could be for the super cut.
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  Track 3: A signature, yes.
• 1:13:06
  Track 2: So it could be for the super cut. Okay, so.
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  Track 1: Back to the Future 3.
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  Track 2: Back to the Future 3.
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  Track 3: Part 3.
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  Track 4: Boom.
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  Track 1: Here's the thing. I'm going to tell you why Back to the Future Part 3 is good,
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  Track 1: despite the blatant racism, especially in the first 20 minutes.
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  Track 3: Are we talking about racism against Native Americans?
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  Track 2: Yes.
• 1:13:29
  Track 3: Yeah, they were like, these are the bad guys and that's just that.
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  Track 1: And there's the cavalry. They're just going to go and chase that.
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  Track 1: Like, terrible. Even if the cavalry- Without a doubt.
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  Track 2: If the cavalry- I forgot that the cavalry was actually chasing them.
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  Track 2: And I turned to Jack and I was just like, this is just racist.
• 1:13:43
  Track 2: Like, what? They just think indigenous people just run around screaming all
• 1:13:49
  Track 2: the time? Like, what the fuck? Yes, they do.
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  Track 3: And then the cavalry comes up like.
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  Track 2: Oh, it's even more racist.
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  Track 1: Just and the all they needed that entire scene for was just so that an arrow
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  Track 1: could puncture the gas line.
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  Track 3: Yeah that was that was the.
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  Track 1: Point of that whole and i guess they also had the.
• 1:14:05
  Track 2: Honestly i would say it's not even that it's literally for the gag that starts
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  Track 2: when he's driving towards it yeah.
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  Track 3: Yeah that's it you're.
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  Track 2: Right it was for that stupid gag.
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  Track 3: Yeah that was really dumb too yeah i
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  Track 3: i mean and this is my problem with both of the sequels that
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  Track 3: the first act of for me the first
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  Track 3: act of both movies is is really weak it's like they didn't know how to start
• 1:14:29
  Track 3: and yeah yeah and the third one especially they didn't know how to start and
• 1:14:33
  Track 3: it really is just kind of like okay play the hits and they just kind of rehash
• 1:14:37
  Track 3: bits again evan was telling us why he despite this he loves this third part and now we're just all,
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  Track 3: i still love the evan finish i.
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  Track 1: So despite that horrible opening and it being really very racist,
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  Track 1: what I think is good about the third one is like each of them is actually kind
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  Track 1: of like a different genre of film.
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  Track 1: Like the third one is really kind of a rom-com that's set in a situation where
• 1:15:07
  Track 1: they're going back in time.
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  Track 1: And what I like about it is that they've, what you said earlier,
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  Track 1: Bill, about the idea that the arc of Doc Brown is from someone who cares about
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  Track 1: only himself and the science.
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  Track 1: And he, like, there's no way anyone could fall in love. And he does.
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  Track 1: And their characters flip where Doc Brown is saying Marty's lines.
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  Track 1: Marty is saying Doc Brown's lines. he becomes the voice
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  Track 1: of reason to doc of like we need to do these things scientifically
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  Track 1: and all of these things and i think it
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  Track 1: it kind of dulls the message for me at the very end when he's like oh so like
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  Track 1: what how come this paper is blank and it's like oh well you could write any
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  Track 1: future you want but in some ways like he is correct in that you can change one
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  Track 1: thing but it's gonna you can't change like one little thing and expect it to
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  Track 1: change the world kind of thing he feels.
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  Track 2: That last line feels so like shoehorned in and like he comes off so like willy wonka it is.
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  Track 1: You're really.
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  Track 2: Wonka ass terrible it is terrible that is.
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  Track 1: So shoehorned in no they didn't they didn't it is.
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  Track 2: It is terrible and it is so i really don't like that there.
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  Track 4: Could have been any other like semi positive, open-ended Doc Brown lines that
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  Track 4: they could have used, but they forced him to say that shit, and it felt so out of place.
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  Track 2: It really did.
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  Track 3: Well, it makes me happy, and Doc Brown is like my dad.
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  Track 3: I see Doc Brown as like my dad. Okay. So fuck you guys.
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  Track 3: Caitlin, is there anything you'd like to mention about that scene?
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  Track 3: I would like to mention something about that scene, you guys.
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  Track 3: I have a little fact for you.
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  Track 3: So does anyone know the fact of the little kid, one of his kids in that scene?
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  Track 3: If you watch them, I have to get up and demonstrate.
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  Track 3: I've got a heating pad. I've got so many cords.
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  Track 2: Those little kids are creepy.
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  Track 3: If you watch that scene, the kid, he is going like this.
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  Track 3: And he's like smiling a little bit because his mom's off camera and he's telling
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  Track 3: her that he has to pee and they left it.
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  Track 3: So go back and watch, go back and watch it. Cause his face is so funny.
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  Track 3: He's like, it's so fucking funny.
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  Track 3: It's crazy. Yeah.
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  Track 1: You're like, we got it.
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  Track 4: Fantastic.
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  Track 3: Yeah. Nobody will notice that, which I mean, they were right.
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  Track 3: Not a lot of people noticed.
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  Track 1: I did. I did not know that.
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  Track 3: No, I don't think I'll be able to see that scene the same. Oh,
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  Track 3: no. It's crazy. Because once you see it.
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  Track 4: You cannot see it. I mean, it's a bad movie. I don't know if I'll rewatch it.
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  Track 4: So I don't know if I'll see it again. Well, now you have to.
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  Track 1: Part of what I like about it, too.
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  Track 3: Make joy and watch it.
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  Track 2: I know you can all see my head pointed to the right.
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  Track 2: And I know that Warden never knew what that means, which is I'm looking at my
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  Track 2: other monitor, which means I'm scrubbing to that point.
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  Track 3: Hell yeah.
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  Track 1: Here's another thing that I like about the movie. not even the plot
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  Track 1: is that they built like the entire city
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  Track 1: that they use in the third movie they built like completely
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  Track 1: from scratch like the whole thing was built you know
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  Track 1: near a train track so they could have the train of
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  Track 1: course but like it's just i just like i i'm not even a western fan that's the
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  Track 1: thing i don't really like western movies but i like the idea of all like the
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  Track 1: little continuity things with you know he he's really good with a gun because
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  Track 1: he played video games and these just these little like little things i just
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  Track 1: like those little quirky i.
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  Track 3: Feel like once once he's in the west and doc shows up for me that's when the
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  Track 3: from that point on i feel like the movie's pretty enjoyable for me.
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  Track 1: Yeah i i agree the first part of it i think it's annoying it's.
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  Track 3: Really boring and it's just kind of it's yeah it's it's a rehash of things from the other movies.
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  Track 1: And they should have used leah thompson more yeah she's only in it for what
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  Track 1: the two scenes basically.
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  Track 2: My thing about the third movie is that it feels disconnected in a lot of ways to the first two.
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  Track 2: The second movie, whether you agree or not with why they go back in the first
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  Track 2: place, it is connected directly to the time machine.
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  Track 2: What is happening is tied to the time machine in a lot of ways.
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  Track 2: Whereas the third movie, it's not. it's just he's
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  Track 2: just gonna go there and it's like there's no real
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  Track 2: reason for it it just feels tacked on
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  Track 2: in a lot of ways it just they just kind of like yeah like we're gonna make a
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  Track 2: third movie and it just that's true it does not it feels disconnected from the
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  Track 2: other movies in so many ways especially the fact that the first two movies constantly
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  Track 2: reference each other and the third movie is just it's just there it's just the third movie yeah.
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  Track 3: I i don't disagree with that and And I do think it suffers from the fact that
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  Track 3: they shot them back to back.
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  Track 3: So they wrote them both at the same time and shot them back to back.
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  Track 3: I think it would have, I would have benefited from releasing the second movie
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  Track 3: and then waiting a couple of years to make the third one.
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  Track 1: I also think that if Crispin Glover had been in the second movie,
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  Track 1: because they wrote him out and they had to kill him basically to not be in it.
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  Track 1: If they had been in the second movie and had a better role, I bet he would have
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  Track 1: also been in the third one somehow.
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  Track 1: You know, I think there would have been like a better tie in to the other two
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  Track 1: movies, which doesn't exist because they don't have characters to use to build
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  Track 1: on it. There were no other characters.
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  Track 1: They had to have this sort of the love story as like a new thing,
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  Track 1: which I don't disagree with you, Bill. I still like it.
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  Track 2: I don't think like I listen, I have criticisms of it.
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  Track 2: I don't think it's a despite what I've said multiple times. I don't think it's a bad movie.
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  Track 2: I think there's aspects of it that aren't great and I think honestly I think the,
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  Track 2: thing that's the worst thing about the movie is that it is put with these,
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  Track 2: the other two movies and it simply does not, it fails to connect to those two movies.
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  Track 2: If they had continued the storyline in a different way and then,
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  Track 2: you know, like, and actually made them feel connected beyond simply the character
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  Track 2: lines, I think it would have been, you know, greatly improved by that.
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  Track 2: I really think the biggest issue is that it just feels so disconnected when
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  Track 2: the first two movies are so intimately connected in so many ways and this one's
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  Track 2: just there I mean I do think I think it's.
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  Track 4: A bad movie that is forced and then leads into like a mid-western and I'm not
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  Track 4: a western fan it was a very mid-western and like there's some good westerns
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  Track 4: out there there's some good westerns,
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  Track 4: I'm still suffering.
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  Track 3: Watching them but this.
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  Track 2: Parts of it's feel like there are the some of the jokes that are made in the
• 1:21:59
  Track 2: first two movies and this is to your point like where they're like actually
• 1:22:03
  Track 2: you know like like i don't want to call it a bad movie like i you know but like
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  Track 2: there are parts flashback.
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  Track 3: To the beginning of him being like this is just a bad.
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  Track 2: Movie the first two movies like there are jokes in
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  Track 2: the first two movies that work because they're
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  Track 2: like subtle like for instance in the
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  Track 2: second movie when they go back to 1955 and doc brown
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  Track 2: says to marty um when they
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  Track 2: go back again to 1935 he says to marty buy some
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  Track 2: clothes to fit in and he wears
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  Track 2: what he thinks fits in which like yes it is 1955 and he fits in but he fits
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  Track 2: in in a way that's still like he stands out like he's he fits in but as like
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  Track 2: a cool person like you know like he's got the hat that the leather jacket it, like, you know,
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  Track 2: and then the third one, it's like, oh, you're going to go back to,
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  Track 2: You know, 18, it's 18, but when is it fucking 1885, 1885, you're going to go back to 1885.
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  Track 3: Okay.
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  Track 2: Here's, here's the clothes you're going to wear now. And it's like,
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  Track 2: it's a ridiculous outfit.
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  Track 2: And it's like, that's like, it feels like a cliche. It feels like a joke and a gimmick.
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  Track 2: It doesn't feel like a, it doesn't feel subtle.
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  Track 2: It doesn't feel intelligent. It feels forced. It feels like,
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  Track 2: Hey, look at this silliness.
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  Track 4: I mean, it was fucking pink with atoms on it, for fuck's sake.
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  Track 3: I'm so glad you guys are pissed off about the outfit, because it pissed me off
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  Track 3: so bad. It made me not want to watch the movie.
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  Track 2: It really annoys me. I fucking hate this outfit. It annoys me.
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  Track 4: It was forced. It feels like a bad movie.
• 1:23:43
  Track 1: But it's because Doc Brown bought them. He has no style. Do you see what he wears?
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  Track 1: I agree that it's a hideous outfit, but I think that part of the joke is that
• 1:23:53
  Track 1: Doc Brown dresses him like you know like his dad dressed him.
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  Track 4: No i'm evan.
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  Track 3: No matter what you say.
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  Track 4: I'll i'll as somebody who
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  Track 4: is opposed to the man who undermined the libyan nuclear program i'll give him
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  Track 4: credit that he does have some forethought did you see like that sick ass briefcase
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  Track 4: with all the denominations of bills with from different time eras he has forethought
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  Track 4: and that's the fucking clothes he got you.
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  Track 2: Can't you can't say that you can't say that the man that like deliberately made
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  Track 2: sure he had denominations of money from every possible place didn't also go.
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  Track 4: Also invented time travel like also that guy also.
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  Track 2: Didn't go away this these clothing aren't like yeah.
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  Track 3: What do you say to that evan.
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  Track 2: Nothing.
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  Track 1: I mean, the good store was closed. That's what they had.
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  Track 2: The good store was closed. Evan, they have a time machine.
• 1:24:50
  Track 1: There's no Amazon.
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  Track 2: They have a time machine. They have a time machine. They could have waited three
• 1:24:54
  Track 2: weeks. They have a time machine.
• 1:24:57
  Track 3: Yeah. They could have gone back to when the store was open.
• 1:25:01
  Track 1: Well, but in this case, they rebuild the time machine. They only had one shot at it, presumably.
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  Track 2: My point is not even that they could use it. They could have literally just
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  Track 2: waited until the goods store was open and it wouldn't have made a difference
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  Track 2: because they have a time machine.
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  Track 2: This is a man that builds a time machine out of a steam train. Okay.
• 1:25:23
  Track 1: Which is completely unexplained, by the way.
• 1:25:25
  Track 2: Oh, it's actually explained in a comic.
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  Track 1: I meant in the movie.
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  Track 2: I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding.
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  Track 4: No.
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  Track 2: I'm not kidding. No.
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  Track 4: I'm surrounded by nerves.
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  Track 2: I only know this. I only know this because Jackie and I were like,
• 1:25:43
  Track 2: what the fuck? How does this work?
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  Track 2: And because Jackie hates that train so much and,
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  Track 2: hates it.
• 1:25:51
  Track 1: So you don't watch the you don't watch the cartoon where they just go on the train every.
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  Track 2: Only reason the only reason i know this is because we both
• 1:25:57
  Track 2: hated that so much we had to look up how
• 1:26:00
  Track 2: the fuck that worked and jackie looked it up trains terrible
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  Track 2: okay and apparently in a comic book this is i'm not making this up okay he used
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  Track 2: parts of the broken time machine the broken delorean that was in the mine plus
• 1:26:15
  Track 2: the bits from the hoverboard which had enough power to create 1.21 gigawatts of power.
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  Track 2: Okay. And he also, I swear to God, made a time traveling tricycle,
• 1:26:27
  Track 2: a steam powered time traveling site tricycle so that he could go back in time
• 1:26:33
  Track 2: to get more or go forward in time. So he could get more parts.
• 1:26:38
  Track 2: So he built that one, but two time machines.
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  Track 3: So what you're telling me is it completely adds up.
• 1:26:45
  Track 2: And makes perfect sense one.
• 1:26:48
  Track 1: Plus one is four check.
• 1:26:53
  Track 2: So i.
• 1:26:53
  Track 3: Kind of thought this out.
• 1:26:54
  Track 2: Perfectly we literally looked this up and jackie's like it's in a comic book and i was like i.
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  Track 4: No longer hate the train.
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  Track 3: It makes sense now can imagine the person having to write that comic book and just like,
• 1:27:09
  Track 3: like crying.
• 1:27:10
  Track 2: Drunk like.
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  Track 3: I don't fucking know.
• 1:27:13
  Track 2: What's it gonna make a tricycle fuck
• 1:27:16
  Track 2: like seriously like like i'm like okay all right i can you can get me on board
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  Track 2: partially partially with the like he used the parts from the broken one and
• 1:27:27
  Track 2: the hoverboard okay and then she's like also he built a time traveling tricycle
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  Track 2: so he could get more parts like i'm done no.
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  Track 3: Dumb as hell how's he getting that thing up to speed.
• 1:27:40
  Track 2: I don't like the train i don't like the train.
• 1:27:44
  Track 2: I do like the train when they use it to.
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  Track 1: Push the time machine that part's really.
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  Track 2: Cool and they built like.
• 1:27:52
  Track 1: A massive model to just blow up and they only had one shot to do it.
• 1:27:56
  Track 2: But I cannot get over the fact that Mary Steenberg and Christopher Lloyd have
• 1:27:59
  Track 2: a 15 year time difference and the ages make no sense at all Christopher Lloyd
• 1:28:06
  Track 2: is Doc Brown when he meets Clara he is anywhere from,
• 1:28:13
  Track 2: 75 to 85 years old. That's the only way.
• 1:28:19
  Track 3: Yeah, but people age really fast. Wait, but dude, dude.
• 1:28:25
  Track 1: Dude, wait.
• 1:28:25
  Track 3: He was 15, but she basically was 85. She was really mature for her age.
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  Track 4: She knew about science.
• 1:28:34
  Track 2: Those are the only, like he is either, he was anywhere from 75 to 85 years old.
• 1:28:40
  Track 2: And 75 is really pushing it.
• 1:28:43
  Track 2: Like, you have to really give some, like, you've really got to give some, like, wiggle ring.
• 1:28:49
  Track 1: So this was a libertarian universe.
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  Track 4: Got to be gracious with those numbers.
• 1:28:52
  Track 2: Yeah. You got to really, yeah.
• 1:28:55
  Track 4: Oh, so this is a bad movie. Who just brought up libertarians?
• 1:28:57
  Track 2: It's not good.
• 1:28:58
  Track 1: I just said it's a libertarian universe.
• 1:29:00
  Track 2: It's not good.
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  Track 3: Yeah, certainly.
• 1:29:02
  Track 2: It doesn't make, I don't feel comfortable with it at all.
• 1:29:05
  Track 3: Yeah.
• 1:29:05
  Track 1: They had two kids. The first time I ever noticed is I don't watch the third one that much. Oh, God.
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  Track 3: Oh, go ahead. What were you going to say? I was going to compare him to Al Pacino still having kids.
• 1:29:15
  Track 2: Oh, God. Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah, that's it. Yeah.
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  Track 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:29:20
  Track 1: But he made them cute things like Jules and Vern. So, you know.
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  Track 2: Vern is a bad man.
• 1:29:25
  Track 1: I agree. The thing that I noticed was when they are at the train tracks,
• 1:29:29
  Track 1: there's a sign that calls it Clint Eastwood Gulch or whatever,
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  Track 1: which I thought was a nice little funny.
• 1:29:35
  Track 3: Wow.
• 1:29:36
  Track 1: Because Marty supposedly goes off the edge.
• 1:29:38
  Track 3: So they put some thought into it.
• 1:29:40
  Track 2: Yeah.
• 1:29:40
  Track 3: There were some thoughts.
• 1:29:41
  Track 2: Yeah, there were thoughts. That's how they got to the tricycle.
• 1:29:43
  Track 1: They definitely don't, they definitely paid attention to all the little details even if they weren't.
• 1:29:48
  Track 2: Good deep there are aspects they didn't.
• 1:29:50
  Track 4: Think if they should though.
• 1:29:51
  Track 2: There are aspects of the third
• 1:29:54
  Track 2: movie that i do enjoy i actually really love
• 1:29:58
  Track 2: marty's costuming after they change
• 1:30:01
  Track 2: i really love his costuming in the third
• 1:30:03
  Track 2: movie a lot after he changes out of the ridiculous thing
• 1:30:07
  Track 2: i actually really like that um and i really love sheamus mcfly i love his character
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  Track 2: he's a great character he is the person who everybody should fucking listen
• 1:30:19
  Track 2: to he's just the one person who's like hey could you all just not be assholes Seamus.
• 1:30:26
  Track 3: McFly is his dad right.
• 1:30:28
  Track 2: It's his great great great grandfather yeah.
• 1:30:32
  Track 1: Well it's because of him that he doesn't get into that accident right he's like
• 1:30:36
  Track 1: dude you should stop being such a.
• 1:30:37
  Track 2: Bitch and he's the best character he's the best character I.
• 1:30:42
  Track 4: Get what you're saying caitlin in this film he's the closest older father figure to marty so much i'm.
• 1:30:50
  Track 2: Sorry i didn't realize what i thought yeah i think yeah i think i get what you're.
• 1:30:57
  Track 4: Saying and i also understand when you mean this is a bad movie unlike everyone.
• 1:31:02
  Track 2: Around us it's good.
• 1:31:04
  Track 3: To have support from one.
• 1:31:05
  Track 2: Person caitlin i thought you
• 1:31:06
  Track 2: meant literally his father and i was like no what are you talking about i.
• 1:31:10
  Track 3: Honestly it's 9 30 here guys remember.
• 1:31:15
  Track 2: I went to bed at 5 30 yesterday.
• 1:31:16
  Track 3: My brain is having difficulties okay ward what time is it in california 7 25 really yeah.
• 1:31:27
  Track 2: It's do you have a time machine.
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  Track 3: Is that how you.
• 1:31:30
  Track 4: Made i got all the lights off.
• 1:31:32
  Track 3: Wow daylight savings times.
• 1:31:35
  Track 4: It's like dark early now.
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  Track 3: I don't know what I was saying you're saying in my head he's his dad okay he's like his.
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  Track 2: Dad he's.
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  Track 3: Like his dad.
• 1:31:44
  Track 2: Yes mm-hmm,
• 1:31:46
  Track 2: I like Seamus McFly, personally.
• 1:31:48
  Track 3: I like Seamus as well.
• 1:31:51
  Track 1: I do like all the little notes. In every future, there's like,
• 1:31:54
  Track 1: well, I guess not in the third, in the second movie, but they go back in time
• 1:31:58
  Track 1: and they see his relatives as babies.
• 1:32:02
  Track 1: In the first one, too, I like when he's like, oh, get used to these bars,
• 1:32:05
  Track 1: kid. You know, because this kid's going to dab on a gun.
• 1:32:09
  Track 2: So fucked up.
• 1:32:10
  Track 4: So fucked up. It's so funny.
• 1:32:14
  Track 1: This movie also has, like, the best meme from this movie is the one with when
• 1:32:18
  Track 1: he says like oh I've seen this one before.
• 1:32:19
  Track 2: I've seen that it's a rerun that is a great line oh and young Elijah Woods in
• 1:32:24
  Track 2: the second one oh yeah which I did not catch that's a baby's toy,
• 1:32:31
  Track 2: I love oh I love future fashion as imagined by people yeah yeah they're just
• 1:32:36
  Track 2: gonna wear um acrylic rings around their head everything's.
• 1:32:40
  Track 4: Really reflective yeah.
• 1:32:42
  Track 3: Yeah, everything's neon or reflective.
• 1:32:45
  Track 2: Which is exactly what you would think of the 80s. That's how people in the 80s would imagine shit.
• 1:32:50
  Track 3: Yes. Right. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, it's early 90s, but it can fly.
• 1:32:54
  Track 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:55
  Track 1: Any final nuggets or comments from anyone?
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  Track 3: I'm doing really good because of this Dr. PP keeping me awake.
• 1:33:06
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• 1:33:13
  Track 1: I think I need to make one of those like little fake commercials and throw this
• 1:33:16
  Track 1: in the middle of like yeah.
• 1:33:17
  Track 3: I don't think I have anything else I gave my one fact I laid my cards on the
• 1:33:27
  Track 3: table speaking of Dr. P how about you guys.
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  Track 4: Did I say that the third one was bad okay.
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  Track 2: These are science fiction these are 80s and 90s classics uh everyone should
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  Track 2: watch them at least once uh science fiction classics with overall great lessons
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  Track 2: and themes other than the horrible racism against the indigenous people of america uh only.
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  Track 4: Watch the third one once.
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  Track 2: Yeah you don't need to watch the third one more than once um yeah uh but yeah
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  Track 2: uh one and two are two of my favorite movies of all time.
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  Track 1: Hell yeah same but You can watch part three a few times.
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  Track 4: Just the once is good. I'm pretty sure. Just to complete it,
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  Track 4: just to have the experience in the bag.
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  Track 4: Then you can revisit one and two as much as you want, because those movies fucking rip.
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  Track 2: They're awesome. You can just keep watching those.
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  Track 4: But third, boom.
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  Track 2: I am so glad that the mystery of the old man at the Watchtower has been solved.
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  Track 4: Yeah.
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  Track 3: I'm glad you brought it up. That was crazy.
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  Track 2: So excited to tell Jackie about it.