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The Big Snip · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with our radio. Hello everyone, welcome to the Almost same
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Speaker 1: As podcast. Today I have a special guest host, Ari
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Speaker 1: lion Dike is here. Welcome him. Everyone. Hello, Ben is traveling,
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Speaker 1: so Ari's filling in and we're going to talk all
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Speaker 1: about the episode and then we have some special guests on.
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Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a little bit. Hey, Ari,
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Speaker 1: how's life right now? You had a whole month? Was
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Speaker 1: it a whole month in Hawaii? Yes? I was in
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Speaker 1: Hawaii for a month. It was not all that, but
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Speaker 1: I don't have to say it was pretty awesome. Um.
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Speaker 1: First off, thank you guys for having me. I feel
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Speaker 1: very honored. So Ben, wherever you are, thank you, brother.
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Speaker 1: This is really cool to be on with you, and
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Speaker 1: I'd love I can't wait to chat about the episode. Actually,
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Speaker 1: full disclosure, this is the first episode I've watched in
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Speaker 1: two years. What I thought you guys used to do,
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Speaker 1: like YouTube recaps two seasons to see two seasons? Ye?
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Speaker 1: So since um your season? Okay, so yeah, it's been
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Speaker 1: a while. So you didn't watch Clarentatious season? Oh? I
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Speaker 1: watched the first part of Claire's season. Did not watch
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Speaker 1: season is that because you felt like you you know
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Speaker 1: Claire better. No, I just got a bunch of kids,
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Speaker 1: and I got a lot of kids, not a lot
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Speaker 1: of time. That's awesome. So I guess if I ask
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Speaker 1: you how you feel about Katie Thurston and Blake Boyn's breakup,
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Speaker 1: you don't have much to say, zero to say. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I didn't watch her season. Um I feel bad that
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Speaker 1: they broke up. You know, that's not not what we
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Speaker 1: want to see out of an ending. But yeah, I
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Speaker 1: didn't watch our season, so I don't know how much
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Speaker 1: input there. Well, I guess I have to give my
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Speaker 1: two cents on it. Um. Ben did talk about it
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Speaker 1: briefly in yesterday's mini episode, and I guess, like I guess,
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Speaker 1: I didn't see them going the long haul. I mean,
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Speaker 1: as horrible as that is to say, like there was
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Speaker 1: just like something missing a lot with them either on
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Speaker 1: after the final rows during the proposal, it just seemed
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Speaker 1: like he was a little bit hesitant to propose. I
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Speaker 1: don't know there was something missing there, but I didn't
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Speaker 1: think they would break up this fast, Like that's only
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Speaker 1: like four months as boyfriend and girlfriend or fiance as
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Speaker 1: I suppose. Yeah, I mean that is quick. Um, you
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Speaker 1: think they would have like hunging out a little bit
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Speaker 1: to do I don't know, some appearances together and have
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Speaker 1: some fun travel. I mean that beginning stage is just
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Speaker 1: a whirlwind. So it's kind of they must have been
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Speaker 1: pretty incompatible, I know. And to think back on the
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Speaker 1: last few episodes and the fact that Greg was seemingly
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Speaker 1: going to be her final pick, and I just wonder
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Speaker 1: if watching that back in the drama between the two
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Speaker 1: of them just dented something for Blake and just made
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Speaker 1: him never be able to think about her, never be
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Speaker 1: able to think of himself as her number one pick, honestly.
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Speaker 1: And that is a thing like when you watch the
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Speaker 1: season back with your fiance, it is really really tough,
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Speaker 1: Like you and I are like the last thing like
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Speaker 1: that we can't even speak because first off, Jared didn't
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Speaker 1: pick me a lot Lauren at the end, I know
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Speaker 1: I didn't. You can't get over it. So that's probably
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Speaker 1: wasn't That probably wasn't their biggest issue. I remember. I
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Speaker 1: think Jordan and Jojo like didn't watch their season until
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Speaker 1: years later. And I feel like that is a good
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Speaker 1: piece of advice. Probably maybe if you're the last one
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Speaker 1: standing and you have the ring. I just don't watch,
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Speaker 1: you know, don't do it. Don't do it. Uh. And
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Speaker 1: then in other Bachelor news, Oh my gosh, Chris Harrison
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Speaker 1: and Laurence Zema got engaged. Now this is something I
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Speaker 1: did see coming. I actually thought that they like got
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Speaker 1: engaged in April. If you remember that picture, she was
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Speaker 1: like in a white dress. They were at a wedding
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Speaker 1: and there was like some very romantic caption. I was like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god. So seeing this one, I was like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: so here it is. I'm so happy for them. I
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Speaker 1: find them to be such a compatible couple. They're both
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Speaker 1: so um, They're warm, and they are so witty, like
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Speaker 1: I can only imagine like the back and forth yes
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Speaker 1: and private. Yeah. I'm really happy for Chris obviously, you know,
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Speaker 1: tough going last six months from so for him to have,
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Speaker 1: you know, this happy moment between him and Lauren, it's
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Speaker 1: really cool. I'm really happy for him. I feel like
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Speaker 1: all of Bachelor Nation is happy for him. So good
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Speaker 1: to see all that love and support from everyone on
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Speaker 1: his post. Yes, yes, yes, And she just seems to
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Speaker 1: be like a great support system for him throughout this,
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Speaker 1: you know, six seven months. Yeah, anyway, Okay, So like Ari,
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Speaker 1: I know we talked to you back I think in
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Speaker 1: July when we first announced that I was pregnant, and
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Speaker 1: um you yeah, yeah, well you were the one and
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Speaker 1: almost Um we are an ascarrow now and it's all
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Speaker 1: because of you. I messaged Ari and I was like, seriously,
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Speaker 1: the HD Chief podcast that we did with Gap Home,
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Speaker 1: he said something that was like so inspirational that we
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Speaker 1: hadn't heard from any real letor and it was that
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Speaker 1: your money sitting in the bank is like kind of
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Speaker 1: vulnerable to inflation, but the money that you have in
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Speaker 1: the house is far more secure. And we were like,
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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, that is brilliant. And then we started
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Speaker 1: looking at houses again and we found the only house
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Speaker 1: we've seen in you know, we casually have been looking
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Speaker 1: for nine months, you know, sometimes more seriously than others,
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Speaker 1: and we found the one house that we were like, yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: this is worth it. We think this is worth it.
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Speaker 1: So it's kind of a house that we imagine ourselves
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Speaker 1: in for like three years, definitely like a first kid,
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Speaker 1: maybe like second baby in the house. Um yeah, but
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Speaker 1: we're we're excited and it's really all because of you.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Thanks and then okay, but like you guys,
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Speaker 1: just with the twins, I I and more mind boggled
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Speaker 1: every day about how you do it, like three kids
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Speaker 1: under the age of three? Yeah, and like what's what's
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Speaker 1: your life? Like? How how do you do it? Do
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Speaker 1: you ever like break down and cry? Is it always
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Speaker 1: worth it? I mean, I'm definitely getting va sect to me,
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Speaker 1: but I mean, no, it's worth it. It is worth it.
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Speaker 1: It's just I think this is kind of like, uh,
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Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of parents they say this,
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Speaker 1: this little term called like a season of life, Like
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Speaker 1: this is just a very difficult season of life. I
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Speaker 1: love them so much and there it's just when we're
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Speaker 1: away from them or even when they go to bed,
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Speaker 1: we're on her phones looking at pictures of them. So
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Speaker 1: we're obsessed obviously, but it is a very difficult season
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Speaker 1: to get through. The late nights and sometimes they don't sleep,
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Speaker 1: and it's just you never really can have a solid plan.
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Speaker 1: You have to be adaptable all the time so that
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Speaker 1: you can handle it. You know, some nights were crying.
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Speaker 1: Some nights I want wine, but I can't because I
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Speaker 1: know I'm gonna get up seven times. The Norman nights
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Speaker 1: have to be ready. I don't know, it's just a
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Speaker 1: different Uh, it's just a different life. But it's I
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Speaker 1: wouldn't take it back, and I think it's um as
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Speaker 1: a new parent of twins, it's really it's it's tough.
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Speaker 1: Like I never realized how how tough it would be,
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Speaker 1: but it's tough for sure. Okay, so when we travel
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Speaker 1: with our dog, yeah it's enough, like just with our
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Speaker 1: dog in the carrier. I can't imagine having three kids
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Speaker 1: to joke around. So how did you do Hawaii? Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, we have a YouTube channel and I wanted
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Speaker 1: to document like traveling, like how to travel. But you
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Speaker 1: need to do you need all the hands you can get,
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Speaker 1: so like there was no way to this. Okay't blogging
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Speaker 1: I need I need a hand to be able to blog. No,
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Speaker 1: it's um. Yeah, there's like a bunch of little tips.
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Speaker 1: You know, you can just check everything you can becase
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Speaker 1: we had so many check backs. I think we had
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Speaker 1: twelve check backs and uh, but strollers and car seats
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Speaker 1: don't count, so like kids stuff doesn't count towards the
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Speaker 1: check back. Now, that's like the kindest thing the airlines
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Speaker 1: have ever done. I know, really, I mean normally they're
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Speaker 1: just like taking your take your money out every return,
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Speaker 1: but that is nice. Um yeah, I mean it was
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Speaker 1: just it was exhausting, but they all did really good.
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Speaker 1: They did better. Just prepare for the worst and then
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Speaker 1: if it's not terrible and a complete nightmare, then you'll
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Speaker 1: be like, oh, we did it and it was wasn't
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Speaker 1: that bad. Now you have one, you know, two girls
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Speaker 1: and a boy. What are the difference between sexes? Oh?
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Speaker 1: Girls are so much more work really, Okay, so this
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Speaker 1: is good news for me. Our boy locks he's so
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Speaker 1: easy and sweet and he's like sleeps and eats and
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Speaker 1: that is it. I mean, he's just very chill. Our
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Speaker 1: girls and it's just like wants to be held all time.
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Speaker 1: She cries more, she just is. But she's like full
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Speaker 1: of life and it's like very interactive with me. Um.
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Speaker 1: But just more work. I don't know why. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if it changes when they start running around, but
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Speaker 1: I heard boys are easier in the beginning and then
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Speaker 1: harder when they get to be like toddlers. Okay, okay,
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Speaker 1: I can see that. And just Lauren's belly, this is
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Speaker 1: this is what I've been wondering for the past couple
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Speaker 1: of days, I've like definitely I met six months. Now
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Speaker 1: I'm at that point where like I'm feeling like some pressure.
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Speaker 1: My belly button is starting to pop out, which I
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Speaker 1: thought for some reason I was going to be immune to.
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Speaker 1: But like now it's like there. And I was thinking
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Speaker 1: about Lauren and how she carried two kids on her
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Speaker 1: tiny frame, Like how uncomfortable was she those last three months?
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Speaker 1: She actually was, I would say more uncomfortable with a lessie.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know why. It's because she knew what
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Speaker 1: to expect the second time around. But yeah, her, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that would be more of
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Speaker 1: a question for her. But she she's like super mom.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, she's she does pregnancy in a way
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Speaker 1: that's just beautiful. And I think she looked gorgeous the
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Speaker 1: whole through way throughout. Um, the sleeping at the end.
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Speaker 1: It is just was really hard for her and that
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Speaker 1: it was about kind of the big thing that's stuck out,
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Speaker 1: you know, Well bless her. That is very nice. Uh
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Speaker 1: My last question for you are before we get into
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Speaker 1: the episode, Uh, is about your vosecto mate? Is it planned?
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Speaker 1: Because that's a great headline. Okay, um, yeah. I mean
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Speaker 1: we were in Hawaii and it was really challenging because
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Speaker 1: Hawaii doesn't have Postmates, they don't have grocery stores that
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Speaker 1: are open late. They basically it's like going back in
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Speaker 1: time thirty years. I don't know what. It was hard
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Speaker 1: with the twins because there was just less like help
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Speaker 1: like you did, like right now. It's like I don't
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Speaker 1: want to cook dinner. I just order Postmates. There you
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Speaker 1: have to go to a mergery store, which for us
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Speaker 1: was like a twenty minute drive, and it was like
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Speaker 1: very difficult. And this is when you decided, yes that
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Speaker 1: at that point, we're like this is it, this is
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Speaker 1: starting here to help, you know. We just like we
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Speaker 1: just felt a little bit like overwhelmed, and so we decided,
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Speaker 1: I think as a couple that three's enough. I think
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Speaker 1: we're we're so happy because we have our boy, we
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Speaker 1: have the two girls, and I am already forty guys,
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Speaker 1: I can't be having kids and any later than this
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Speaker 1: in life. I want to be like an active dad.
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Speaker 1: So I think I think three is okay. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: think three is great. All right, Well we are going
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Speaker 1: to take a quick break and then we're going to
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Speaker 1: get the musical guests from this week Caroline Jones on
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Speaker 1: the podcast and ask her all about the chemistry between
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Speaker 1: j A, Me and Michelle. Alright, guys, we have Caroline Jones,
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Speaker 1: a country music singer and songwriter and radio host. Her
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Speaker 1: most recent album, Bear Feet, was released in March two, eighteen,
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Speaker 1: and she just made an appearance during last night's Date
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Speaker 1: with Jamie and Michelle. Hello, Caroline, Welcome to the podcast.
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Speaker 1: Hi Ashley, how are you. I'm so good. How are you?
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Speaker 1: I'm really good? Thanks? Great? So are you a Bachelor
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Speaker 1: fan by any chance? I am? Um, not quite as
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Speaker 1: much as my sisters, who I've been kind of trailing
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Speaker 1: behind for the past few years. But yeah, it's very exciting.
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Speaker 1: It's been something that we've watched together before. So amazing.
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Speaker 1: So first of all, I want to say that you
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Speaker 1: did incredible. I loved your performance. Such an amazing voice.
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Speaker 1: Um was it? How different was it singing in front
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Speaker 1: of them and being sort of in that I guess
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Speaker 1: production space instead of being you know, in a typical setting. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: on stage in front of a crowd, right, You're really
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Speaker 1: performing for um, someone's very intimate moment, which is also
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Speaker 1: being you know, filmed. So It's a very unique circumstance.
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Speaker 1: I've never done anything quite like that, and I'm a
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Speaker 1: super romantic person by nature. Um, and so for me
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Speaker 1: it was very heartwarming. It was very exciting because we
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Speaker 1: we sound checked a lot before um before they came in,
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Speaker 1: so we were kind of ready to go, and they've
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Speaker 1: been on their date and he'd gotten the rows and
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Speaker 1: so it was a very very special moment for them,
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Speaker 1: I know, and obviously for for me and my band.
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Speaker 1: You sang the song chasing Me, which yes, just like
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Speaker 1: is that. I loved it and it comes off of
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Speaker 1: your new album, Antipods, which was released last Friday. So
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Speaker 1: what's the timing on that? Like? Wow? How great? I know? Well,
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Speaker 1: actually we announced the album last Friday. The full alt
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Speaker 1: Antipoties will be out November twelve. Well, so I'm really excited.
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Speaker 1: This song is really really special to me. I wrote
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Speaker 1: this song a few years ago about the kind of
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Speaker 1: love that I always envisioned for myself and the kind
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Speaker 1: of man that I always wanted, and the kind of
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Speaker 1: romantic values that I was raised with that I really,
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Speaker 1: um still believe in. I'm a little old fashioned that way,
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Speaker 1: And actually it's funny when the song first came out
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Speaker 1: was almost three years ago. Um, and I remember talking
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Speaker 1: to my sisters and trying to manifest getting it on
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Speaker 1: The Bachelor. A perfect song, yeah, because it's He's chasing
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Speaker 1: me and all those values and all those kind of
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Speaker 1: romantic dreams and fantasies. Um, it's all encapsulated in this show.
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Speaker 1: So it's just so cool that that dream came true.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing how long I've been singing since I was
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Speaker 1: like ten years old, really young, and um, I've been
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Speaker 1: singing professionally since I was you know, out of high
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Speaker 1: school into college, um, and writing my own songs and
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Speaker 1: producing my own records and just slowly building a grassroots
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Speaker 1: career in country pop. And the past few years, um,
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Speaker 1: I've been able to get a lot more of a
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Speaker 1: platform and a lot a lot grow my fan base
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Speaker 1: quite a bit thanks to Zach Brown Band and Jimmy
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Speaker 1: Buffett and Kenny Chesney and Faith Hill and to mcgrawn
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Speaker 1: and folks have taken me on tour and really like
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Speaker 1: taking me under their wing and introduced me to their audiences.
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Speaker 1: So hopefully this sort of gives you a whole new
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Speaker 1: audience now that they've seen I know, it's very exciting.
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Speaker 1: It's a it's a very real phenomenon Bachelor Nation. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's a very dedicated fan base. Um, and so I
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Speaker 1: feel very honored to have that kind of platform to
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Speaker 1: share my music, you know, which is my heart and soul,
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Speaker 1: just like Michelle's bearing her heart and soul um on
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Speaker 1: this show. I love that year, just like a true
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Speaker 1: romantic and that you manifest and you manifested it to
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Speaker 1: be on the Bachelorette. And then it was so how
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Speaker 1: is that? It's so cool? How was the d Like
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Speaker 1: was it the date that you always imagine the song
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Speaker 1: to be played? Too? Like? Did they have the chemistry
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Speaker 1: that you were hoping they'd have? Yeah? And the set
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Speaker 1: that they created was so beautiful, Like I remember walking
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Speaker 1: into it way before. This was like hours before Michelle
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Speaker 1: walked into it. But um, it was just so beautiful.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the the art team there and the like
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Speaker 1: the sex that they create and the ambiance they create
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Speaker 1: is so magical. And um, and then you know, we
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Speaker 1: we you don't know when they're coming exactly because um,
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Speaker 1: they're obviously on a date and their dinner went a
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Speaker 1: really long time and so we're all there in action
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Speaker 1: it was really sweet. Yeah, I loved it. Wait you
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Speaker 1: didn't answer the question though, we need to know. Was
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Speaker 1: there was there chemistry? Did you feel their love for
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Speaker 1: each other? Did you feel it? Well, it is the
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Speaker 1: second episode, so I'm not sure if love is the
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Speaker 1: right term yet. But I definitely felt some sparks for Absolution.
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Speaker 1: There was definitely chemistry there. They were definitely sparked there. Um,
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Speaker 1: and they're both very very sweet. Did you get to
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Speaker 1: chat with him afterwards? Yeah? I did. I got to
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Speaker 1: chat with them a little bit, and they're both great,
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Speaker 1: and um, I saw Michelle actually earlier in the day.
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Speaker 1: It was it's like a very interesting filming process and dynamic. Um,
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Speaker 1: because of COVID you had we had to be really
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Speaker 1: careful coming in and quarantining and because they're like a
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Speaker 1: real bubble, you know. But I did get to see
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Speaker 1: her earlier in the day, and um, she's great, she's
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Speaker 1: really smart. I really like her. Amazing. I think you
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Speaker 1: touched on the art team and for and how they
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Speaker 1: create such an amazing um scenario and amazing set and
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Speaker 1: an amazing I guess the place you have a sphere
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Speaker 1: to fall in love and it is it is interesting.
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Speaker 1: I think seeing that from behind the scenes, you don't
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Speaker 1: realize how much work is put into that side of
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Speaker 1: the show. Um. And they are really like the unsung
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Speaker 1: heroes to make the Bachelor look and feel romantic as
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Speaker 1: it is, and just having your music laid on top
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Speaker 1: of that, it's just like thing on the cake. You know.
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Speaker 1: It's really cool. Yeah, it is. And when they were there,
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Speaker 1: they'd also put together a whole amazing pool party, and
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Speaker 1: I mean they pull out all the stops for this
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Speaker 1: show and it it really, like you say, adds the
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Speaker 1: experience of the contestants and obviously of Michelle Um, but
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Speaker 1: it really added to my experience too, because to perform
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Speaker 1: and a setting like that is just puts you in
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Speaker 1: the right space. You know, lots of fans ask if
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Speaker 1: performing is awkward at all for the two people. We
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Speaker 1: kind of touched on this before, but is it weird
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Speaker 1: just like watch two people kiss in front of you
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Speaker 1: as you sing? Not really, it wasn't really. I think
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Speaker 1: I'm just so romantic because I think it was. It
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Speaker 1: was a little I'll say this, the only moment that's
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Speaker 1: a little bit I wouldn't say awkward, but a little
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Speaker 1: bit jarring. Is like when they first walk in, like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, you remember when you were in church
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Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, what if I just
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Speaker 1: burst out laughing or like scream or something, you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I have that kind of feeling.
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Speaker 1: I was like, because it's like the moment that they're
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Speaker 1: building up too. And then they walk in and there's
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Speaker 1: the reveal and you're playing your song, and I was like,
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Speaker 1: what have I just great character? Like? Um? But it
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Speaker 1: was great. It was at once they got in and um,
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Speaker 1: you know, got cuddly on you know, during the song,
19:56
Speaker 1: and it was it was very sweet. I loved it.
19:58
Speaker 1: And they've been on a really I mean, as you
20:01
Speaker 1: see on the show, they've been on a great date
20:02
Speaker 1: that whole day. So they were really um in a
20:07
Speaker 1: in a special kind of vibe together. Now. I don't
20:11
Speaker 1: know if you've seen the episode yet, have you no? Okay, Well,
20:16
Speaker 1: towards the end of the episode, Jamie is a little
20:18
Speaker 1: bit vilified. So I gotta know if that surprises you,
20:23
Speaker 1: just based on a little bit you got to know
20:25
Speaker 1: of him, it actually does survive me because you seemed
20:28
Speaker 1: so sweet. Um. But I don't know, I'll have to
20:33
Speaker 1: I'll let you know after I see it tight. They
20:34
Speaker 1: won't let me see it ahead of time, so as
20:36
Speaker 1: soon as I see it, I will I'll get back
20:38
Speaker 1: to you, all right. Well, Caroline, thank you so much
20:41
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20:43
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20:46
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21:07
Speaker 1: much for being here. Thank you guys, what a pleasure. Bye. Alright, Ari,
21:22
Speaker 1: it is my favorite time with the podcast. Time to
21:25
Speaker 1: break down the episode. We've got episode two, and I
21:30
Speaker 1: thought it was so much better than episode one. Praise, praise, praise,
21:35
Speaker 1: But you didn't watch episode one. This is the first
21:37
Speaker 1: episode you're watching here. But the thing is like the
21:40
Speaker 1: first episodes never like no, you have to get through
21:46
Speaker 1: the first one and need everyone to build sort of
21:49
Speaker 1: the I don't know, build up to the second one.
21:53
Speaker 1: The second episode is always when it kicks off. For me,
21:56
Speaker 1: at least are kind of like, I don't know to formulaic.
22:02
Speaker 1: They need to they need to mix it up. I've
22:05
Speaker 1: even told the producers to their face, I'm like you, guys,
22:08
Speaker 1: night one, you need to read, you need to redo something. Yeah,
22:13
Speaker 1: Jared has a good idea for a future season to
22:17
Speaker 1: have fifteen cast members, to just have fifteen, but like
22:21
Speaker 1: for them to be like the prime ones, so we
22:23
Speaker 1: don't have anybody forgettable, like anybody that you just know
22:27
Speaker 1: is going to be eliminated in the first few episodes. Yeah,
22:30
Speaker 1: you really get to know everyone anyway. Okay, so let's
22:33
Speaker 1: get in to part one, which is basically the first
22:39
Speaker 1: group date, and that is a classroom simulation kind of
22:44
Speaker 1: similar to what like Jared and I did on Tatious season,
22:47
Speaker 1: but this makes even more sense because you know she's
22:49
Speaker 1: a teacher. They do math, they do spelling, they do
22:53
Speaker 1: little chemistry, and the big the drama storyline in this
22:59
Speaker 1: is the pizza preneur. Peter is apparently also like a
23:05
Speaker 1: little bit of a drama queen slash narcissist. According to
23:10
Speaker 1: um what's his name? Who Who's called him? In narcis
23:14
Speaker 1: When he held the sign that said what's spelled narcissist Peter. Yeah,
23:19
Speaker 1: I forget his name, but that was that was funny.
23:21
Speaker 1: I thought it was funny too. I thought Peter in
23:25
Speaker 1: the first episode was really entertaining, and now I just
23:28
Speaker 1: see he's like kind of a dick. Yeah, what's your
23:31
Speaker 1: take on him? Yeah, I feel like he has a
23:34
Speaker 1: villain vibes. He's gonna stick around for a couple of
23:36
Speaker 1: episodes because he's gonna make the show interesting. I think,
23:41
Speaker 1: is there anything else that stood out to you about
23:43
Speaker 1: that that scene that date? Yea, the scene not really.
23:46
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like he did come across like
23:49
Speaker 1: over aggravated and I don't know, defensive um. But I
23:56
Speaker 1: feel like the date overall was really cool. I thought
23:58
Speaker 1: the kids were really switched on and funny. I feel
24:01
Speaker 1: like fifth graders are way smarter than I remember, and
24:06
Speaker 1: I would have totally bonded on the spelling as well.
24:08
Speaker 1: The spelling was with protein. I was like I before
24:14
Speaker 1: e I'm like, okay, yeah, okay, that is how you
24:16
Speaker 1: spell protein. Um. Then that drama between the two of
24:24
Speaker 1: them kind of carries onto the night section of the date.
24:27
Speaker 1: Michelle ends up hearing the fight and then she pulls
24:30
Speaker 1: Peter aside and says like, hey, if that's how you
24:33
Speaker 1: deal with drama just by like yelling, like I don't
24:37
Speaker 1: know if this is going to be if you're like
24:39
Speaker 1: the kind of person for me, She kind of gives
24:41
Speaker 1: him a slide. But the big standout towards the night
24:45
Speaker 1: portion was Brendan, who he's like Mr suave right, like
24:53
Speaker 1: very smooth. Can't spell that he smooth? Yes, he doesn't
24:58
Speaker 1: have like a lot to say and like the flirty lines.
25:01
Speaker 1: I can't say how I really know the guy, but
25:04
Speaker 1: he um, he's he's um wooing her. Yeah, you could
25:09
Speaker 1: tell that she was feeling him. One thing I noticed
25:12
Speaker 1: throughout the episode which I picked up on her, she's
25:15
Speaker 1: a very she leans in during all the conversations, which
25:19
Speaker 1: is like very inviting for men. You know, she's not
25:23
Speaker 1: sitting back or sitting straight or proper. She's like very engaged. Yes,
25:27
Speaker 1: I felt like she could kiss the guys at any moment,
25:31
Speaker 1: like they had the invitation. Yes. I was like, is
25:34
Speaker 1: she like leaning in and You're like no, I think
25:37
Speaker 1: she's just talking that way. And then I was like
25:40
Speaker 1: I felt like she wanted to kiss everybody there. Me too,
25:42
Speaker 1: Me too. Rick with somebody who I was actually surprised
25:47
Speaker 1: that she was down to kiss. He showed up last
25:50
Speaker 1: week in a room service tray and his face was
25:54
Speaker 1: like in a salad plate. You probably you may have
25:57
Speaker 1: seen that. No, so, like, I don't know that his
26:02
Speaker 1: entrance is night one was like the sexiest thing to her.
26:06
Speaker 1: But then they played mad libs and then she went
26:08
Speaker 1: in for it or he went in for it, and
26:10
Speaker 1: she was cool with it. Yeah, I mean kudos, you know.
26:14
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it as a former kissing bandit.
26:18
Speaker 1: I like it. There's one guy who we didn't see
26:21
Speaker 1: a lot of in this group date who I think
26:25
Speaker 1: might have like an ego thing, like he thinks he
26:27
Speaker 1: should have been seen a lot during the group day.
26:29
Speaker 1: And that was Romeo. He he um said something about
26:34
Speaker 1: having his his degree from Harvard and mathematics. I think
26:39
Speaker 1: that guy just I think he uh, he just thinks
26:42
Speaker 1: that he's the cats meout. I like. I like the
26:46
Speaker 1: contestants that just kind of fly underder the radar, that
26:48
Speaker 1: are like confident but don't like make too many waves.
26:52
Speaker 1: Those are usually the ones that make it far, you know,
26:56
Speaker 1: just quietly confident. No, I agree with you. There there
27:00
Speaker 1: is a couple of guys that I just that they
27:04
Speaker 1: they seem to really not want to involve themselves in drama,
27:08
Speaker 1: as if they've actually watched the show before. Like these
27:11
Speaker 1: guys are like, I'm not going to spend my time,
27:14
Speaker 1: uh talking about that? Are confronting so and so like
27:17
Speaker 1: I'm here for Michelle. I'm like, oh, these guys know
27:20
Speaker 1: what they're doing this season? Yeah, well, I mean you
27:24
Speaker 1: watch enough of it you kind of yeah. Alright. So
27:28
Speaker 1: the first one on one is with Jamie, and Jamie
27:31
Speaker 1: definitely made an impression on night one. Jamie's whole story
27:38
Speaker 1: arc during this episode was kind of fascinating to me.
27:41
Speaker 1: It kind of made the episode. So when he first
27:45
Speaker 1: gets the one on one date card, everybody starts kind
27:49
Speaker 1: of like hating on him. They put the scary music
27:51
Speaker 1: behind him because he says something like I've got to
27:54
Speaker 1: figure out whether Michelle is compatible for me, whether she
27:58
Speaker 1: could do my lifestyle. And the eyes are like, what
28:02
Speaker 1: why would you ever question such a thing? You should
28:05
Speaker 1: be worshiping her? And I was like, hey, I may
28:08
Speaker 1: not be getting the greatest vibes from him, and maybe
28:11
Speaker 1: I'm susceptible to the music. I try not to be
28:15
Speaker 1: but this is a fine thing to contemplate and a
28:18
Speaker 1: fine thing for you to go into a day trying
28:20
Speaker 1: to figure out. That's probably healthy. It's healthy to take
28:24
Speaker 1: that way too. That's how you would think in a
28:26
Speaker 1: regular situation. So for him to have those questions, I
28:30
Speaker 1: think it also would lead to a more normal conversation
28:34
Speaker 1: between two people. You know, you don't want to put
28:37
Speaker 1: someone on a crazy pedestal and then try to live
28:40
Speaker 1: up to them. You want to see if you're a match. Yeah,
28:44
Speaker 1: it's a good approach. I was like, this guy is
28:47
Speaker 1: just being normal. I like it. Then they go on
28:50
Speaker 1: the day to Joshua Tree. They climb. They climb. That
28:54
Speaker 1: looks hard, That looks like a very tough physical date. Yeah,
29:00
Speaker 1: look cool. Yeah, Michelle is in such good shape and
29:03
Speaker 1: she's so freaking pretty and I could like just like
29:07
Speaker 1: look at her all day. But that's a different note.
29:09
Speaker 1: And they get to the top and they're really feeling.
29:13
Speaker 1: They're feeling each other. They Jamie says, like doing things
29:18
Speaker 1: or what relationships are all about. He's helping her climb,
29:22
Speaker 1: he's being a good guid um. Michelle just like likes
29:25
Speaker 1: the way that he's like handling the date. Like as
29:29
Speaker 1: a as a great support system. Yeah, anything else to say.
29:34
Speaker 1: Normally I have to be the one to to I
29:37
Speaker 1: don't know, boost lead the date. Yea, he took lead
29:41
Speaker 1: and took the lead on it, so yeah, that's cool. Yeah,
29:44
Speaker 1: so I'm like, okay, okay, they like each other. And
29:46
Speaker 1: then I continue to feel the chemistry over dinner and
29:51
Speaker 1: even though like, Okay, I don't know what it is
29:53
Speaker 1: about him, but I like have some red flags in
29:56
Speaker 1: like weird feelings, do you Yeah, like I did at
30:00
Speaker 1: that point, and I was like, why am I feeling this?
30:04
Speaker 1: He's not really letting anything on to warrant it. Maybe
30:08
Speaker 1: just because he dropped like a huge bomb on his
30:11
Speaker 1: back story and it was like no, but it was
30:13
Speaker 1: before the conversation. Don't you think maybe he's like had
30:17
Speaker 1: that in the back of his mind, Like so he
30:20
Speaker 1: like to you the viewer, maybe he thought he was
30:23
Speaker 1: withholding something he was just like scared to like reveal
30:29
Speaker 1: you know, what makes him him and his past could
30:31
Speaker 1: be could be okay. So I don't know, I remember,
30:34
Speaker 1: I don't know. I remember when I was a contestant.
30:36
Speaker 1: I feel like that first date, you know, producers are like, Okay,
30:39
Speaker 1: you're gonna tell, you know, tell him your whole life
30:42
Speaker 1: story because this could be the last time you have
30:45
Speaker 1: dinner with her, and and that whole build up is
30:49
Speaker 1: a kind of tense, you know. I don't know, I
30:51
Speaker 1: didn't get that. Okay, well that's good. No, I like
30:53
Speaker 1: like different perspectives, especially with him in his storyline right now. Okay,
30:58
Speaker 1: So yeah, they sit down and they talk about how
31:01
Speaker 1: she just had the best upbringing and like great relationship
31:04
Speaker 1: role models, and then he says that he had the
31:07
Speaker 1: complete opposite. You know, his dad wasn't exactly in the picture,
31:11
Speaker 1: and his mom was so hands on, so great until
31:13
Speaker 1: about twelve or thirteen, when she kind of got hit
31:17
Speaker 1: by a mental health issues and eventually lad for him
31:23
Speaker 1: to like not always be at school, him and his
31:26
Speaker 1: sister like trading off having to take care of the
31:29
Speaker 1: mom and be home like basically on suicide Watch. Turns
31:32
Speaker 1: out she ends up committing suicide when he's twenty four.
31:36
Speaker 1: It's just like the most heartbreaking story, Like I just
31:38
Speaker 1: was very like goes on a plane and just like
31:42
Speaker 1: my hands are on my head, just like, oh my gosh,
31:45
Speaker 1: this poor guy was terrible, so sad, so sad, it's
31:51
Speaker 1: just really like, I don't know, it's like where do
31:55
Speaker 1: you go after that conversation? Go home and cry? You
31:58
Speaker 1: know what I mean? I don't know, Like it kind
32:00
Speaker 1: of ended. It was like a very somber I mean,
32:03
Speaker 1: obviously it's somber, but it was almost too heavy. Like
32:06
Speaker 1: I know, there's always always like heavy backstories and you
32:10
Speaker 1: want to spill your guts on that first day. But
32:11
Speaker 1: I'm like, dang, I could have waited a little longer
32:14
Speaker 1: for that conversation. That was a heavy one. Michelle says
32:18
Speaker 1: that she was proud of what he's come through and
32:21
Speaker 1: to carry all that weight as a young person, and
32:25
Speaker 1: she's amazed about how he's been able to navigate through
32:27
Speaker 1: all that. She says she's beyond impressed, and he says
32:31
Speaker 1: that he loves that. She didn't say like I'm sorry,
32:35
Speaker 1: but like sees how it impacted the man that he became. Uh.
32:41
Speaker 1: But then after that, we we go into they do pivot.
32:47
Speaker 1: They get out of that tragedy. Wait, what was the
32:50
Speaker 1: more tragedy? The next step The next is a group day,
32:54
Speaker 1: but the leading is talking about how the coach. Yeah,
32:59
Speaker 1: so now you're going from one sad thing I was
33:03
Speaker 1: so sad in the middle of the episode because just
33:05
Speaker 1: one from one sad thing to another sad thing. Yeah,
33:09
Speaker 1: eat up to the group date, and I was interested
33:13
Speaker 1: at the fact that they let him be on the
33:16
Speaker 1: phone with his mom. How do you think that went down?
33:19
Speaker 1: Because one, of course, the guys don't have phones, which
33:22
Speaker 1: means that the mom would have had to reach out
33:25
Speaker 1: to a producer. And did you ever give your parents
33:29
Speaker 1: or family member producer info before leaving? Yes, I did too,
33:36
Speaker 1: And I remember I called my dad on his birthday
33:39
Speaker 1: that too. Little things like that, but not a lot
33:42
Speaker 1: of communication, very limited, always with the producer next to me.
33:46
Speaker 1: But I feel like if there's a dapt to someone
33:48
Speaker 1: who's very close to you, I feel like that's kind
33:50
Speaker 1: of like we gotta let them know, you know. Yeah,
33:53
Speaker 1: I totally agree. Yeah, I could see how they how
33:57
Speaker 1: they you know, okay, gave him the phone to be
34:01
Speaker 1: able to talk to his mom about that. Yeah, that
34:04
Speaker 1: was that we're talking about Joe, and Joe is the
34:07
Speaker 1: guy that Michelle had d m about a year or
34:11
Speaker 1: so ago because they both were very involved in the
34:13
Speaker 1: basketball community in Minnesota. And then of course it leads
34:17
Speaker 1: into a basketball date. I mean how did that even?
34:21
Speaker 1: How did that even happen? Because these dates are planned
34:23
Speaker 1: in advance. I mean, there are no coincidences in back
34:28
Speaker 1: to the World. I'd feel like they were like, we
34:32
Speaker 1: gotta do a basketball date, right, They're like, let's make
34:35
Speaker 1: a court. Maybe I'm a conspiracy theorist, but they're like,
34:39
Speaker 1: we gotta get a basketball date, so now we can
34:42
Speaker 1: have this tie in amount. So now we get to
34:46
Speaker 1: the basketball court and we see Joe and Michelle hitting
34:50
Speaker 1: it off immensely on like the warmups. Right, It's like
34:56
Speaker 1: nobody else is in the room because they just want
34:58
Speaker 1: to talk about Minnesota, ask of all, and they just
35:01
Speaker 1: want to play one on one. Mm hmm, yeah, yeah.
35:05
Speaker 1: I feel like the date was I don't know. Like
35:07
Speaker 1: I said before, I'm a little bit of a conspiracy
35:10
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist, and I'm like, I feel like they just
35:13
Speaker 1: put that together last minute. I don't know. It was
35:16
Speaker 1: all for Joe, Like even if the coach didn't pass
35:20
Speaker 1: away that week, they wanted Joe to be the star
35:25
Speaker 1: of the group date, and I wanted Joe to be
35:27
Speaker 1: the star of the group day. So it worked out.
35:29
Speaker 1: You know, why why did you want to start? Because
35:32
Speaker 1: because he was having a bad, sad time. Why not,
35:35
Speaker 1: you know, if he's a good person, and you know,
35:38
Speaker 1: I think that's it, just as a nice little put
35:41
Speaker 1: a little bow on that whole little group date, you know.
35:44
Speaker 1: And you didn't even know that the two of them
35:46
Speaker 1: d m and then he ghosted her. No, I didn't
35:49
Speaker 1: know that I might formulate it. I would have formulated
35:52
Speaker 1: in a different opinion at that point, because what would well,
35:57
Speaker 1: then I wouldn't be so stoked that he you know
36:01
Speaker 1: what I mean that he got the time and got
36:03
Speaker 1: the basketball day and then got the group date Rose. Yeah,
36:07
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I see both sides. I think it's
36:11
Speaker 1: I think that he has a couple of little red
36:13
Speaker 1: flags there. But I also feel like she likes him
36:18
Speaker 1: too much for like us to say she shouldn't go
36:24
Speaker 1: with her feelings. There's something like kind of desk in there.
36:29
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's something in there. Yeah, there's something
36:31
Speaker 1: something there, all right. So they play you know, group
36:35
Speaker 1: on group basketball Blue team verse red team, and the
36:39
Speaker 1: red team ends up losing even though Joe is on
36:43
Speaker 1: that team. The blue team wins, and so therefore they
36:47
Speaker 1: get to go to the after party. But of course,
36:50
Speaker 1: because Joe must be the star of the group date.
36:54
Speaker 1: There's a little exception. He's m v P of the
36:56
Speaker 1: day and the m v P gets to go to
36:58
Speaker 1: the nighttime portion of the date. And I don't think
37:02
Speaker 1: in real life, I don't think the m v P
37:04
Speaker 1: has ever. Yeah, I know that's what the guys are
37:07
Speaker 1: pointing out. That guys are like, this doesn't add up,
37:11
Speaker 1: Like this doesn't add up. So Joe and Michelle have
37:15
Speaker 1: their little romantic sit down one on one time, and
37:19
Speaker 1: they talked about how basketball was their first love, and
37:22
Speaker 1: Joe ends up talking about how we found out that
37:25
Speaker 1: day that his coach had passed away, and you know,
37:28
Speaker 1: he says that I feel like you understand this in
37:30
Speaker 1: a way that a lot of people wouldn't, And she
37:32
Speaker 1: does understand that the um impact that a coach can
37:36
Speaker 1: have on a player's life, like on and off the
37:39
Speaker 1: court had Did you ever have a coach like that?
37:44
Speaker 1: Do you replace some with with Nascar? Yeah? There anything
37:48
Speaker 1: you don't really have. I mean no, because I didn't
37:52
Speaker 1: really play too many like ball and stick sports, But
37:55
Speaker 1: I can see how a coach, especially many young persons life,
38:00
Speaker 1: can be hugely inspirational and obviously, like a father figure
38:05
Speaker 1: in a way. Um, so I could see that, but no,
38:08
Speaker 1: I haven't had that experienced myself. Well, you feel the tension,
38:12
Speaker 1: but like the sexual tension between them. They end up kissing, uh,
38:15
Speaker 1: and then you just kind of know that he's definitely
38:18
Speaker 1: going to be getting this group date. The other guys
38:21
Speaker 1: that are worth mentioning about the group date is probably Nate,
38:26
Speaker 1: who got the first impression rose last week. Uh, they
38:29
Speaker 1: just kind of have it. He says that he's happy
38:32
Speaker 1: that he's there and that opposite attract since he's bad
38:37
Speaker 1: at basketball. Uh. And he says that he feels like
38:40
Speaker 1: not a lot of the other guys have the connection
38:42
Speaker 1: that him and Michelle have. He thinks he's getting the rose,
38:46
Speaker 1: but we all know you don't get the first impression
38:48
Speaker 1: rose and then go on to get the next group
38:51
Speaker 1: date rose. And he felt a little slighted too when
38:55
Speaker 1: they panned over to him his He was like kind
38:57
Speaker 1: of surprised. Yeah, yeah, I love looking at the other
39:01
Speaker 1: guy's faces when they don't get the rose and they
39:04
Speaker 1: expected to. Yeah, I do hate how I don't know
39:08
Speaker 1: if she did this, but there's like when you're the bachelor,
39:13
Speaker 1: or you know you're kind of asked to go around
39:17
Speaker 1: the room and say like, actually, you're great to pay
39:21
Speaker 1: you know. But you know, but if you've never been
39:26
Speaker 1: on a group date, the first person you talked to,
39:29
Speaker 1: they think they're going to get it. So maybe she
39:32
Speaker 1: was like, you know, Nate, I really feel connection with you.
39:38
Speaker 1: You did great today, and then she went around the room.
39:40
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Because that's like one of
39:43
Speaker 1: those things to get those awkward reactions on camera now
39:46
Speaker 1: looking back like hindsight, you know, and then they just
39:52
Speaker 1: kind of how they want. But it's always the reactions
39:55
Speaker 1: are always the best. But that sort of leads in
39:57
Speaker 1: and that's why you get those re actions too. Sometimes.
40:01
Speaker 1: I never thought of it like that, but that's so true.
40:05
Speaker 1: You know. If you're I've never been on a group date,
40:07
Speaker 1: you don't know you think the first person I'm gonna
40:08
Speaker 1: talk to you is gonna get it? You know. Yeah.
40:14
Speaker 1: The only other guy I think to talk about during
40:17
Speaker 1: this group date Rose is possibly Martin. Martin is the
40:22
Speaker 1: guy with the bleach blonde hair. You give anything to
40:25
Speaker 1: say about him. He's got awesome hair, Like I dyed
40:31
Speaker 1: my hair during COVID. You know, we're still kind of
40:34
Speaker 1: in COVID. Maybe I'll die again. But I just thought
40:37
Speaker 1: like his hair was like the perfect amount of bleach
40:40
Speaker 1: in there. The haircut was on was fire. He's got
40:45
Speaker 1: a great barber, that guy. That's all I really have
40:47
Speaker 1: to say that. I think I dig his style. Yeah,
40:50
Speaker 1: he's kind of like the token commentator, like he'll be
40:53
Speaker 1: around to like say things, but there won't be any
40:56
Speaker 1: intense chemistry. All right, guys, we're gonna take a quick
41:02
Speaker 1: break and we will be back with all the thoughts
41:06
Speaker 1: on the row ceremony and cocktail party where all the
41:10
Speaker 1: drama went down. Alright, So cocktail party, ari, this is
41:25
Speaker 1: when it was dramatic because we see Jamie quickly become
41:31
Speaker 1: I won't say a villain, but maybe have a villainous streak.
41:36
Speaker 1: He he hears that Joe had had prior communication with Michelle.
41:45
Speaker 1: He also heard, in which we're not super sure that
41:49
Speaker 1: it's related, that she was seen with a basketball player
41:54
Speaker 1: around Minnesota, and I thought, my, like, my my interpretation
42:01
Speaker 1: of that was that they were the same person at first,
42:04
Speaker 1: that Joe and this basketball player would have been the
42:07
Speaker 1: same person, and that he was thinking like, oh, maybe
42:10
Speaker 1: it wasn't just d m NG. Maybe like they actually
42:12
Speaker 1: had a relationship before she got on the show, and
42:14
Speaker 1: this guy is like totally advanced in this process. But
42:18
Speaker 1: he also says he goes to the guys, he's I
42:23
Speaker 1: want to know if anybody has like a leg up here,
42:26
Speaker 1: and then he goes in tells Michelle, I don't care
42:30
Speaker 1: if anybody else's like that's a leg. But yeah, he's like,
42:37
Speaker 1: because I feel secure in our relationship. But the other
42:39
Speaker 1: guys they want to know. I'm like, oh, okay, Jamie,
42:46
Speaker 1: um interesting, Yeah, So how do you know? How do
42:51
Speaker 1: they know that Joe has talked to her through Instagram before?
42:57
Speaker 1: How do they know that? How do the guys? How
43:00
Speaker 1: does anyone know that? How did you know it? Okay, Well,
43:03
Speaker 1: they talked about that. So during the intro, during Joe's intro,
43:07
Speaker 1: she turned, he walks away, and she goes, is your
43:11
Speaker 1: name Joe? And he says yeah. And then later in
43:14
Speaker 1: the episode, she reveals to like the audience and she
43:18
Speaker 1: and Joe have a conversation about how she reached out
43:22
Speaker 1: to him on Instagram and they had a very brief
43:26
Speaker 1: back and forth, like she said, it's like two messages before.
43:28
Speaker 1: He just didn't really say anything else, but because of
43:32
Speaker 1: you know, there their involvement in basketball in Minnesota. Like
43:37
Speaker 1: she'd always kind of like known of him, and she
43:40
Speaker 1: was like a little intrigue, which is why she reached out. Ah, yeah,
43:45
Speaker 1: she's banger alled over him a little bit. A little bit.
43:49
Speaker 1: He did reply, but then he gave a lame excuse
43:54
Speaker 1: an episode one about why he like didn't make more
43:59
Speaker 1: of an effort there. He said he kind of blamed
44:04
Speaker 1: He kind of blamed like the George Floyd movement and
44:09
Speaker 1: just living really close to the epicenter and just feeling
44:13
Speaker 1: all these emotions that he couldn't really sort out. And
44:16
Speaker 1: she was like, if you didn't think that anybody would
44:19
Speaker 1: didn't don't you think that that's something that I would understand? Like,
44:22
Speaker 1: that's just kind of that's just like not an excuse
44:25
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, that's what I mean. Red flags with him.
44:29
Speaker 1: I think like that because she's like, you're just you're
44:34
Speaker 1: gonna ghost me, but you're not gonna like be been
44:36
Speaker 1: sure enough to have a conversation about that anyway. Um, Okay,
44:40
Speaker 1: So then during this conversation between Jamie and Michelle, she says,
44:45
Speaker 1: is it to the point where these guys aren't respecting me,
44:49
Speaker 1: and then he said, yes, it's getting there. But really
44:55
Speaker 1: it was only like two or three guys that kind
44:58
Speaker 1: of knew that there was something going on with Joe.
45:03
Speaker 1: It was not the mass population of men. And then
45:07
Speaker 1: when and then she gets super emotional about this, leaves
45:12
Speaker 1: the cocktail party, it comes back, says to the guys,
45:15
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to clarify what happened between
45:18
Speaker 1: me and Joe. It was like literally two d ms.
45:22
Speaker 1: We've never met in real life. I've never met any
45:24
Speaker 1: of these men in real life, like, never communicated with them,
45:27
Speaker 1: like voice to voice or anything like that. And if
45:30
Speaker 1: any of you are like doubting me, um, and you're
45:36
Speaker 1: then like, I'm not cool with that and then walks away,
45:41
Speaker 1: and then all the guys are like, um, what just
45:44
Speaker 1: happened there? First off? Yeah, first off, had no idea anything,
45:50
Speaker 1: but had prior happened with Joe. And secondly, who's talking
45:54
Speaker 1: about this? Who's doubting her? Who's disrespecting her? And all
45:58
Speaker 1: the guys start asking getting like who was that? Who
46:01
Speaker 1: would have possibly said that to her? And Jamie does
46:05
Speaker 1: not face up. And what I found interesting about this
46:11
Speaker 1: is that normally, and like I only I don't want
46:14
Speaker 1: it to come out wrong, but normally somebody who has
46:17
Speaker 1: a sad story is relatively protected by the show for
46:22
Speaker 1: a little while. But with this, we hear a sad story,
46:26
Speaker 1: we get emotionally invested into Jamie for a while, and
46:29
Speaker 1: then you know, yeah, isn't that? Is that? That was?
46:35
Speaker 1: I found that a fascinating component of this episode. Maybe
46:39
Speaker 1: it's because he isn't there for very long, so it's
46:42
Speaker 1: interesting for us right now. But then maybe in two
46:45
Speaker 1: weeks will be like, you know, he's gone anywhere. That
46:49
Speaker 1: could be it, or he could linger for a long
46:52
Speaker 1: time and she never she never sees anything bad about him.
46:57
Speaker 1: All right, well then, uh, they skipped the rest of
47:01
Speaker 1: the cocktail party. There's one thing I do need to
47:04
Speaker 1: talk about, though, and that was the hilarious moment between
47:09
Speaker 1: her and is it rod I don't know no names. Okay,
47:16
Speaker 1: we're still trying to figure out the names. I feel
47:18
Speaker 1: like it's like episode four, you're exactly what was that
47:23
Speaker 1: guy's name? Again, I'm not investing myself into learning your
47:26
Speaker 1: name until I know you're sticking around for a while.
47:29
Speaker 1: It was Rodney, and he was a guy Ari, which
47:32
Speaker 1: last week showed up and he said he was a
47:36
Speaker 1: Granny Smith apple, but he was wearing a red apple costume,
47:40
Speaker 1: and she was just like, this is not okay. You
47:43
Speaker 1: obviously don't know you're the differences between apples, and there's
47:46
Speaker 1: a huge difference between apples. I think I may have
47:49
Speaker 1: said on the podcast last week, but like, I find
47:52
Speaker 1: Macintosh should be absolutely repulsive. And I grew up with
47:57
Speaker 1: my mom only buying McIntosh apple, so I therefore thought
48:01
Speaker 1: I didn't like apples, but I do. I just hate Macintosh. Yeah,
48:08
Speaker 1: how do you know? How do you not know your
48:09
Speaker 1: apples if you show up to the Bachelorette as an apple?
48:13
Speaker 1: I know? Wait, what's your favorite apple? Uh? The one
48:17
Speaker 1: that's mixed between red and green? FIGI is good? Gala's
48:23
Speaker 1: gala A is good. I like Honey, chrisp Honey Christmas definitely. Yeah. Yeah,
48:30
Speaker 1: I think you're going to go in the fridge and
48:31
Speaker 1: get one right after this. Anything but Granny Smith and
48:34
Speaker 1: Macintosh in the spectrum Okay, okay, yeah, So anyway, what
48:40
Speaker 1: she does is hilarious because she has some apples cut up.
48:45
Speaker 1: She's feeding him apples with the blindfold on, and she
48:48
Speaker 1: also like feeds him pizza and he has no idea
48:52
Speaker 1: what's in his mouth. The guy like things that it's lasagna.
48:56
Speaker 1: He thinks that like the green apples a red apple,
48:59
Speaker 1: and the red apples a green apple, and like it's
49:01
Speaker 1: just a hilarious moment. I just I was laughing out
49:04
Speaker 1: loud on a plane and I loved it. Backstory, this
49:07
Speaker 1: guy just had COVID two weeks ago. Can't taste anything
49:12
Speaker 1: now that would make sense. Alright, Well, at the end
49:17
Speaker 1: of the so we'll get to the rose ceremony because
49:20
Speaker 1: the rest of it was canceled and she sends home
49:25
Speaker 1: Daniel p j Alec And I mean, we didn't know
49:30
Speaker 1: any of them so deep. Yeah, so okay, the guys
49:36
Speaker 1: that we had in question, like the pizentrepreneurs. No, he's
49:42
Speaker 1: stuck around because of course he did, because he's drama. Yeah, exactly.
49:46
Speaker 1: So we all have the people that we are invested in,
49:50
Speaker 1: either in a you know, good or bad way. They're
49:53
Speaker 1: still here, so we'll have to wait and see. Yeah.
49:56
Speaker 1: I feel like she did an amazing job the entire episode.
49:58
Speaker 1: She's a great bapstorress. She's such a good bachelorette. The
50:03
Speaker 1: ratings are kind of low right now, and I want
50:06
Speaker 1: them not to be for her. I think she deserves
50:09
Speaker 1: people to see how well she handles this role. Do
50:12
Speaker 1: you feel like it's because she's gone second, because there
50:16
Speaker 1: is Katie and then Michelle. Yeah. Do you think it's
50:19
Speaker 1: just too much Bachelor? Yes? Yes, yes they do. And
50:24
Speaker 1: I really wish that she would have had Katie spot.
50:27
Speaker 1: I really do, but you know, what are we gonna do?
50:30
Speaker 1: But I do think a lot of its Bachelor fatigue.
50:32
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of seasons in a row. Yeah, okay,
50:36
Speaker 1: I'll tell everyone to go watch okay, and then you
50:39
Speaker 1: have to go watch more. Do you have any final
50:42
Speaker 1: takeaways from this episode? Um? And what you hope to
50:46
Speaker 1: see in the future for Michelle anybody that you think
50:49
Speaker 1: like is a standout? Oh my gosh, don't don't do
50:52
Speaker 1: that to me this this soon. Um, I won't pick
50:56
Speaker 1: a front runner and just yeah, I will say that
50:59
Speaker 1: she's doing any credible job. Um. This is the first
51:02
Speaker 1: episode of Scene with Chris Harrison on hosting, and I
51:05
Speaker 1: felt like they also did a great job. Tastia is awesome. UM,
51:10
Speaker 1: so you know, I think it's it's worth the watch.
51:13
Speaker 1: I will watch the next episode and then I will
51:15
Speaker 1: give you my thoughts. I gotta watch the least two
51:19
Speaker 1: to pick somebody into root for that right now, it's
51:22
Speaker 1: a little bit of a mixed bag. Okay, all right,
51:25
Speaker 1: Before we sign off, I gotta give you the Bachelor
51:28
Speaker 1: bracket rule of the week. Ready for it? Here it
51:32
Speaker 1: is Batch Bracket Rule of the week is plus ten
51:36
Speaker 1: points if a contestant raises a glass and initiates a
51:40
Speaker 1: toast or says cheers. All right well, Ari lined Ike,
51:45
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us today. It's always
51:48
Speaker 1: great to have you on here. You have to follow
51:51
Speaker 1: my lead and our sign off. Okay, it's okay, it's
51:54
Speaker 1: a little weird, but you've been here before, so you
51:56
Speaker 1: maybe get it. All right. Well, thank you everybody for listening.
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