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The Kenny Report | 14 April · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the sky, New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight on the Kenny Report. Just Center.
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Speaker 2: Nawbajimber Price on the Coalition's new values based immigration policy.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Aarbernezi jets off again after telling us to use
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Speaker 2: less fuel and leaving us with a climate and Energy
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Speaker 2: minister spinning nonsense. Donald Trump takes on the Pope as
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Speaker 2: the Middle East remains on a knife edge.
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Speaker 1: Kristen Tate joins us from the US.
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Speaker 2: Also the Royals, well the non royal so here for
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Speaker 2: a private tour that is kind of public. Cusio O'Brien
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Speaker 2: and Stephen Senate Tempo joined me too to talk about
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Speaker 2: Shane WARN's son blaming the government for the cricket legend's death.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 2: Opposition leader Angus Taylor made a significant speech today that
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Speaker 2: starts the hard task of repositioning the Liberal Party in
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Speaker 2: the hope that they can eventually reposition the country. Taylor's
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Speaker 2: focus was on reducing our immigration intake and improving our
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Speaker 2: standards for entry. Most Australians will think it makes sense.
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Speaker 2: Most Australians will think it's just stating the obvious. But
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Speaker 2: debate on these issues is so illogical, ideological and toxic
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Speaker 2: that you can guarantee the forces of the Green left
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Speaker 2: in politics, the media, academia.
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Speaker 1: And elsewhere will go nuts.
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Speaker 2: The opposition leader wants Australia to avoid problems we already
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Speaker 2: see overseas.
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Speaker 3: When a country brings in too many people and the
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Speaker 3: people with the wrong motivations, it's inevitable that the character
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Speaker 3: of the country changes. Parts of the UK and Europe
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Speaker 3: are now wrestling with this reality after a period of
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Speaker 3: sustained mass immigration that started in twenty fifteen.
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Speaker 2: This is a tough topic, one that too many politicians
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Speaker 2: have been too timbered to talk about for too long,
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Speaker 2: but problems in the UK and Europe with Islamist extremism,
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism, youth crime gains, and shocking treatment of women
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Speaker 2: are undeniable.
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Speaker 1: Taylor says there are two types of migrant.
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Speaker 3: As those of noble and patriotic intent, someone who wants
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Speaker 3: to become Australian, embrace Australia and contribute to Australia. And
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Speaker 3: overwhelmingly the vast majority of people who come to this
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Speaker 3: great country fall into that category. And then there is
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Speaker 3: the migrant of subversive intent, someone who rejects our.
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Speaker 1: Way of life.
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Speaker 3: Who doesn't want to change for Australia and wants Australia
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Speaker 3: to change for them. Who's here for transactional reasons and
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Speaker 3: transactional intent.
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Speaker 2: The Coalition wants stricter checks on migrants, and it promises
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Speaker 2: tougher action to deport non citizens who don't embrace our
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Speaker 2: national values. And while the economic constut cooints as are crucial,
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Speaker 2: Taylor doesn't shy away from the security aspects.
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Speaker 3: And worse, declining immigration standards have seen our door open
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Speaker 3: to migrants of subversive intent. Consider what we've seen in
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Speaker 3: recent years. The Bondo Beach terrorist attack, radical Islamic preachers
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Speaker 3: espousing hate with impunity, genocideal marches in major cities, anti
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Speaker 3: Semitism across Australian communities. These are the ramifications of an
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Speaker 3: immigration system where standards have eroded.
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Speaker 2: The Coalition's highest standards will only give the green light
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Speaker 2: to migrants who value freedom of speech, association and faith,
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Speaker 2: the rule of law and democracy, tolerance and equal opportunity.
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Speaker 3: Our door has been open to people who, while rejecting
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Speaker 3: hate and violence, never looktheless still reject our core values.
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Speaker 3: People who don't believe in equal rights for men and women,
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Speaker 3: people who don't believe in the rule of law, and
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Speaker 3: one to establish parallel legal systems people who don't believe
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Speaker 3: in freedom of speech, association, and religion, and in recent times,
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Speaker 3: of course, that has included is Lamist extremists.
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Speaker 2: One of the problems with this approach, of course, is
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Speaker 2: working out what values people hold. And again Taylor is
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Speaker 2: not afraid to recognize that the source country provides a
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Speaker 2: critical guide.
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Speaker 3: Those who migrate from liberal democracies have a greater likelihood
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Speaker 3: of subscribing to Australian values compared to those coming from
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Speaker 3: other places ruled by fundamentalists, extremists and dictators. And in
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Speaker 3: that vein the Gazan cohort of seventeen hundred people here
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Speaker 3: on visas presents a high risk to our nation. That
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Speaker 3: cohort must be reassessed entirely with far greater scrutiny.
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Speaker 1: Look, this is.
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Speaker 2: Such an important issue. The critics on the left will
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Speaker 2: object to these issues even being raised.
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Speaker 1: But that's the point really in a way.
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Speaker 2: Because the left has used human rights and non discrimination
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Speaker 2: arguments to back what's been almost an open slather approach.
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Speaker 2: Like others, I've been calling for more diligence.
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Speaker 1: We need to be discriminating.
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Speaker 2: Sure, keep our non discriminatory approach when it comes to
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Speaker 2: respect for all peoples, but we should be very discriminating
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Speaker 2: about which individuals are given what is a golden ticket
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Speaker 2: in life, the privilege of living in this great country.
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Speaker 2: And it's certainly encouraging to hear that approach being adopted.
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Speaker 3: Australia has a non discriminatory immigration program. We don't discriminate
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Speaker 3: based on nationality, race, gender or faith. But for an
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Speaker 3: immigration program to work in the national interest, it must
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Speaker 3: discriminate based on values.
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Speaker 2: You can sense a big head nod around the nation.
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Speaker 2: Even most immigrants are worried about the looseness of immigration programs,
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Speaker 2: and the Coalition also promises to make sure that language
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Speaker 2: is at the heart of helping migrants adapt to their
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Speaker 2: new home.
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Speaker 3: English is necessary to live, to work and integrate into
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Speaker 3: Australian society. The Coalition will make learning English an obligation
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Speaker 3: for permanent vis a whole is not an option.
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Speaker 2: So there you have it, a much needed realignment of
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Speaker 2: Coalition immigration policy.
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Speaker 1: But of course the critics didn't take long.
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Speaker 2: The Asylum Seeker Resource Center has slammed the coalition's policy
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Speaker 2: as vile and dangerous garbage aimed at dividing our community
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Speaker 2: and making us fearful of one another. I would have
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Speaker 2: thought the opposite was true, but there you go. The
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister usually won't even meet Islamist extremism, but today
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Speaker 2: he posted a pick of his meeting with a visiting
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Speaker 2: Saudi shaik, well known for tackling extremism. So keeping extremests
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Speaker 2: extremists out of this country should be uncontroversial, but Labor
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Speaker 2: went on the attack.
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Speaker 4: Nonetheless, Angus Taylor is chasing around one nation by their tail.
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Speaker 1: This isn't about our national interests.
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Speaker 4: This is about Angus Taylor's political interests. And he's going
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Speaker 4: to have to come clean with construction workers, with childcare workers,
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Speaker 4: with age care workers, people who work within MySpace about
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Speaker 4: which of those people he's going to yank Visus from.
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Speaker 2: So now we can have a decent immigration debate with
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Speaker 2: the Coalition in the argument instead of leaving it to
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Speaker 2: one nation. Expect fireworks, But that sort of policy leadership
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Speaker 2: is exactly what the coalition and the nation need.
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Speaker 1: The ab and easy Labor government really ought to get.
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Speaker 2: Its words and actions synchronized on the fuel crisis and
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Speaker 2: net zero and fossil fuels and doing.
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Speaker 1: The right thing.
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Speaker 2: Their mixed messages, paradoxes and outright hypocrisy are all over
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Speaker 2: the shop, as I'll show you.
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Speaker 1: First.
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Speaker 2: Up there's Anthony Albernizi spending your money to tell you
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Speaker 2: to save fuel by taking public transport or taking off
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Speaker 2: your roof racks.
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Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 5: The global fuel shortage is affecting everyone and we all
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Speaker 5: have a part to play.
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Speaker 6: Your simple actions like pumping up your tires can make
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Speaker 6: our fuel supply go further.
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Speaker 2: What condescending Tosh. But while Airbus Albow is telling you
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Speaker 2: to cut back on fuel use.
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Speaker 1: Last week he.
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Speaker 2: Flew from Sydney to Brisbane and then all the way
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Speaker 2: up to Singapore, all on the government jet, all guzzling
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Speaker 2: fossil fuels.
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Speaker 1: And then, after a few days back in.
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Speaker 2: Australia, flitting between Canberra and Sydney, Albanezi is off again today,
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Speaker 2: back to the very same neck of the woods, flying
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Speaker 2: to Brunei and then Kuala Lumpa, all the stones throw
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Speaker 2: from Singapore, all extra flights, all extra fuel.
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Speaker 1: Let's hope he pumped up the tires on the jet.
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Speaker 2: But of course the purpose of his travels is supposedly
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Speaker 2: to make sure plenty of petrol and diesel will be
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Speaker 2: shipped to Australia. His travels are all about getting more
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Speaker 2: fossil fuels into the country, supposedly, which makes this contribution
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Speaker 2: from his Climate and Energy minister seem absurd at best.
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Speaker 7: In all my discussions with my international colleagues energy and climate,
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Speaker 7: there isn't one country in the world that said, you
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Speaker 7: know what this fuel crisis from ANSI US is we
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Speaker 7: need more fossil fuels.
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Speaker 2: Hang on a second, then, why is the PM using
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Speaker 2: all that avgas to go to oil rich Brunei in Malaysia.
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Speaker 2: He's telling us he's busy rustling up extra fuel, but
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Speaker 2: his minister says, no one wants more fossil fuels. And
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Speaker 2: if we don't need more fossil fuels, why did the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister say the opposite? To The Daily Telegraphs Jessica
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Speaker 2: Wang just the other day asked whether he was disappointed
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Speaker 2: that regulatory and legal hurdles were delaying gas extraction projects
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Speaker 2: like Santos's Narrowbrye field in New South Wales Albanez, He said, yes, absolutely,
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Speaker 2: we want to see it go ahead. He said he
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Speaker 2: was keen for the Bealoo Basin Project to go ahead
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Speaker 2: in the Northern Territory too, so while Alberizi belatedly recognizes
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Speaker 2: the need for more fossil fuels and flies around the
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Speaker 2: region asking for more oil, his Climate and Energy Minister
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Speaker 2: is offered the pixies and pretending it's all just fine.
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Speaker 1: I don't know about getting.
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Speaker 2: Rid of roof racks off our cars, and I reckon
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Speaker 2: would be a bit more streamlined as a nation without
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen. In case you hadn't heard the news, the
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Speaker 2: Clayton's Royal Tour has begun. The royal tour you have
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Speaker 2: when the tour is not royal. Here's your taxpayer funded ABC.
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Speaker 8: We'll bring you some pictures. Just in from Melbourne now,
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Speaker 8: where Prince Harry and Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex visiting
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Speaker 8: Melbourne's Royal Children's Hospital in one of the first stops
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Speaker 8: of their Australian trip. They say the four day tour
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Speaker 8: will focus on mental health, community resilience and support for
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Speaker 8: veterans and their families, alongside private meetings and ticketed events.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, public appearances, money making events.
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Speaker 1: This is the non royals.
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Speaker 2: The private citizens who have fled the fish bowl of
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Speaker 2: the royal family for their own fish bowl, winging about
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Speaker 2: the media attention while they pocket the proceeds.
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Speaker 1: Of the media attention.
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Speaker 2: This is nothing that the satirical geniuses at South Park
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Speaker 2: haven't predicted.
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Speaker 6: W a right thank for Havana than the sile. It's
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Speaker 6: so us under bare heads, Cray. So let me start
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Speaker 6: with you, Sam. You've lived a life with the Royal family.
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Speaker 6: You've had everything handed to you, but you say your
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Speaker 6: life has been hard, and now you've written all about
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Speaker 6: it in your new book where.
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Speaker 1: Look.
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Speaker 2: I don't know whether this is life imitating art, art
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Speaker 2: imitating life or a perpetual feedback loop of both, but
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Speaker 2: it's pretty amusing in its own right.
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Speaker 9: Ross.
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Speaker 7: They've started this officially not a Royal tour here at
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Speaker 7: the Royal Melbourne Children's Hospital, and I have to say
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Speaker 7: it looked and felt very much like a traditional royal tour.
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Speaker 7: Just behind me a short time ago you had crowds
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Speaker 7: of people lined up patients, of course, they're families and
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Speaker 7: staff members. They were upper in the rafters and the
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Speaker 7: walkways above us. A very warm and receptive crowd. You
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Speaker 7: would have to say for this couple who are on
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Speaker 7: a private visit, privately funded, but of course traveling also
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Speaker 7: under their royal titles of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to think the ABC and other media
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Speaker 2: could have saved themselves some trouble by forgetting this coverage
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Speaker 2: and just running South Park.
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Speaker 6: Isn't it true, sir that your questionable wife has her
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Speaker 6: own TV show and hangs out with celebrities and does
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Speaker 6: fashion magazines.
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Speaker 1: What are you suggesting?
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Speaker 6: Well, I just think some people might say that your
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Speaker 6: Instagram loving dwife actually doesn't want a privacy How.
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Speaker 1: Dare you, sir?
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Speaker 6: My Instagram loving dwife has always wanted her privas there
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Speaker 6: and you know one else to hew with Canada.
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Speaker 1: We are leaving.
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Speaker 6: We'll go find some quiet plass where we can mean
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Speaker 6: normal people. Come on, wife, we want privacy, we want private, that,
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Speaker 6: we want private.
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Speaker 2: That.
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Speaker 1: We want paa.
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Speaker 6: We want Canada because.
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Speaker 10: I need.
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Speaker 1: Wee wee wee.
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Speaker 2: And so they found their way to Australia the Harry
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Speaker 2: and Meghan Privacy Tour in real life in Melbourne today
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Speaker 2: and coming to Canberra and Sydney soon.
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Speaker 7: There are also private meetings the sorts of things you
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Speaker 7: don't see on a Royal tour, private ticketed for profit meetings.
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Speaker 7: One of them is a conference that's being held in Melbourne.
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Speaker 7: Harry will be making a speech there. Another one is
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Speaker 7: a wellness retreat for women which is being held with
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Speaker 7: a luxury hotel in.
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Speaker 1: Sydney again on the weekend. Meghan Markle is the star
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Speaker 1: attraction there.
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Speaker 7: There's been a bit of criticism of that, but again
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Speaker 7: this is a visit in a private capacity.
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Speaker 1: It's not a Royal tour.
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Speaker 2: Not a Royal tour, I guess because if it was
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Speaker 2: a Royal tour they couldn't charge for the tickets. I
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Speaker 2: hope they have a lovely visit to Australia. Happy to
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Speaker 2: have a chat with them in here if they want
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Speaker 2: to pop in for free. Let's go to Perth now
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Speaker 2: and catch up. We're just into Namberjiba Prices, the Shadow
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Speaker 2: Small Business Minister, good to talk to you again. Just
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Speaker 2: send to give us your thoughts on this major speech
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Speaker 2: by your leader Angus Taylor today, really taking it up
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Speaker 2: to the government in terms of a decent immigration policy.
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Speaker 2: The immediate retort from the government is that you're trying
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Speaker 2: the coalition now is trying to outflank one nation. Oh.
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Speaker 11: Look, of course they're going to attempt to say that
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Speaker 11: that's the case when they know that they themselves have
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Speaker 11: failed miserably when it's come to immigration policy in this country,
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Speaker 11: given the fact that by the end of this term
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Speaker 11: they'll have introduced over two million people into the country.
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Speaker 11: And the problem is that when the numbers are too
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Speaker 11: high and the standards are too low, which it has
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Speaker 11: been under this government, Australians are the wise ones that
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Speaker 11: feel it, and they're the ones that suffer for it
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Speaker 11: in the end, in terms of when it comes to housing,
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Speaker 11: when it comes to the costs associated in the cost
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Speaker 11: of living obviously that we're experiencing, but also the pressure
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Speaker 11: that's on our services, and Australians expect a system that
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Speaker 11: puts them first. They expect to be able to choose
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Speaker 11: who comes to this country and under what circumstances, because
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Speaker 11: living in Australia is an absolute privilege, and Australians expect
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Speaker 11: that privilege to ultimately be respected and that our laws,
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Speaker 11: our values and our way of life are respected as well.
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Speaker 11: So ANGUS has planned our plan through the coalition in
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Speaker 11: terms of this new policy announcement and those that will
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Speaker 11: continue to follow is to make Australian values the centerpiece
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Speaker 11: of migration in our country. And of course you will
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Speaker 11: get those, You'll get the government winging about it because
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Speaker 11: they're not doing anything about it, but they're making life
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Speaker 11: tougher harder for Australians. Our job in opposition is to
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Speaker 11: scrutinize them for their failings, which is what we have
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Speaker 11: been doing, and to present a viable alternative which our
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Speaker 11: focus is to restore our standard of living and protect
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Speaker 11: our way of life in this country, and particularly after
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Speaker 11: the events in Bondai. This is what I would think
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Speaker 11: is the obvious approach to take, and the problem is
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Speaker 11: Anthony Alberisi cannot bring himself to put Australians first and
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Speaker 11: to put Australian values first.
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Speaker 2: I think most Australians would agree with every word in
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Speaker 2: Angus Taylor's speech and like the idea of these principles
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Speaker 2: being put in place when it comes to our immigration system,
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Speaker 2: but implementing them is a difficult matter. How do you
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Speaker 2: judge the values of people coming in? You can maybe
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Speaker 2: obviously interview them, but they'll know what you want to hear.
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Speaker 2: People can search their social media profiles. I'm just interested
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Speaker 2: in how you're going to make those assessments. And for instance,
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Speaker 2: when we talk about extremism in the Islamic faith and fundamentalism,
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Speaker 2: would a family where all the adult women are forced
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Speaker 2: to wear full burker would that family meet Australian values.
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Speaker 11: Look, I'm sure those details will come further as we
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Speaker 11: go further along with regard to this. But for example,
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Speaker 11: in recent times, the last two hate preachers that the
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Speaker 11: Albanese government were prepared to provide visas to enter the country.
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Speaker 11: All you had to do was do a Google search
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Speaker 11: on them, which is what we did and brought that
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Speaker 11: to Tony Burke's attention that it was quite simple. There
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Speaker 11: was one that had followers ten million followers, but was
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Speaker 11: a person that delivered hate speech basically, And given the
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Speaker 11: rise in antisemitism in our country, and as I said
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Speaker 11: following on from Bondai, wasn't hard to find out exactly
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Speaker 11: what these individuals thought and felt, their beliefs, their values,
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Speaker 11: and they were not compatible values with those of our
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Speaker 11: values here in Australia. And so you know what we
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Speaker 11: want to be able to do is shut a door
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Speaker 11: to these individuals to prevent them from coming here and
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Speaker 11: undermining our way of life, and I should imagine that
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Speaker 11: in this day and age, it's not that hard to
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Speaker 11: make those determinations about people now.
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Speaker 2: Angus Taylor also points out that you're more likely to
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Speaker 2: have success of people adopting our values if they come
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Speaker 2: from liberal democracies when you look at some of the
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Speaker 2: largest cohorts of immigrants into the country.
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Speaker 1: Look, you're talking about China and India.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't that mean that Indian migrants would be prioritized over
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Speaker 2: those from Chinese from communist China.
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Speaker 11: Well, look again, these details of policy will come to
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Speaker 11: fruition as we go forward, and no doubt that Angus,
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Speaker 11: along with John o'dunium, will make those determinations in terms
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Speaker 11: of the strengths of those liberal democracies that we have
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Speaker 11: whole shared values with. And also, you know, migrants that
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Speaker 11: we know are fundamentally going to contribute positively to our country,
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Speaker 11: like the many of those who are part of who
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Speaker 11: are now permanent Australians, or those are generations of migrants
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Speaker 11: that have come whose parents or grandparents have come here
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Speaker 11: and contributed to our way of life, and who are
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Speaker 11: now those calling out for the ladder to be brought up.
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Speaker 11: You know they are who will be focusing on and
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Speaker 11: that detail will come in good time.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: You said to you were critical of Pauline Hanson for
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Speaker 2: employing a convicted rapist in her office, Sir Sean black As,
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Speaker 2: I have been on this program and she since terminated
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Speaker 2: the employment of that person.
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Speaker 1: But Pauline Hanson seemed to take particular exception to your criticism.
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Speaker 1: Here's what she said on Radio two.
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Speaker 12: Sm just discussed me that I didn't think Jessanda would
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Speaker 12: get in the gut of politics of all this. The
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Speaker 12: man's gone. You should have seen the look on his
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Speaker 12: wife's face when I had to say, and I said, no,
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Speaker 12: I'm going to do this myself, and I went around
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Speaker 12: and I faced both of them and the wife. You know,
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Speaker 12: I don't condone this this action, but you've got to
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Speaker 12: understand people need a second chance, and there's still not
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Speaker 12: giving it to him. All people just enter price.
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Speaker 1: Let it go, Just sit an average of a price.
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Speaker 1: Your reaction to that.
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Speaker 11: Look, this is about maintaining standards, and there's a standard
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Speaker 11: that I will maintain across the board. And I have
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Speaker 11: been vehement and outspoken and been ostracized by parts of
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Speaker 11: the indigenous community for my stance on ensuring you know
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Speaker 11: that we stop domestic and family violence and sexual abuse.
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Speaker 11: I've had a strong I've got a strong record on that,
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Speaker 11: so I will maintain that regardless of who that is
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Speaker 11: in relation to. But I think that if you hold
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Speaker 11: a position of power within our parliament, within our federal Parliament,
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Speaker 11: it is incumbent upon you to maintain a standard. Also,
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Speaker 11: I mean, it should never have actually got to this point,
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Speaker 11: I believe, and it goes to having sound judgment as well.
22:58
Speaker 11: To employ some body who is a convicted rapist who
23:03
Speaker 11: has done hard time and who then has influence in
23:07
Speaker 11: terms of policy and can walk the hallways of power,
23:12
Speaker 11: I think is a level of poor judgment. But it's
23:16
Speaker 11: a standard again that I maintain across the board. And
23:19
Speaker 11: I'm not just speaking from the position of being an
23:22
Speaker 11: advocate in a very serious area, but I'm coming from
23:27
Speaker 11: being a survivor of sexual assault myself, and that for
23:32
Speaker 11: anyone who's been in that situation, i'd hoped you I'm
23:35
Speaker 11: sure that they would believe that they themselves personally would
23:39
Speaker 11: not want to be confronted with the idea of working
23:43
Speaker 11: in the same workspace as an individuals such as that.
23:46
Speaker 11: But again, it is about this is an expectation that
23:50
Speaker 11: I would have across all political parties is to is
23:55
Speaker 11: to practice sound judgment when it comes to those individuals.
24:00
Speaker 11: I feel for the wife and the children in this situation,
24:04
Speaker 11: but the bottom line is if you can't pass a
24:06
Speaker 11: working with children check, then you shouldn't have access to
24:14
Speaker 11: a very influential position such as that. And I've called
24:18
Speaker 11: it out with any Indigenous organizations. I will continue to
24:21
Speaker 11: call it out wherever I see it, and that includes
24:25
Speaker 11: in the parliamentary offices.
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us to appreciate it greatly.
24:30
Speaker 2: That's just into Nambergjip, a Price shadow small business minister
24:33
Speaker 2: with the Federal Coalition. Now, I want to go to
24:36
Speaker 2: a fascinating column that was in The Australian Today by
24:38
Speaker 2: Professor George Williams, who's Vice chancellor of Western Sydney University.
24:42
Speaker 2: It was warning about the gender gap at university and
24:45
Speaker 2: how thousands of young men are missing out.
24:48
Speaker 1: On higher education.
24:49
Speaker 2: He quotes research which found a third of men aged
24:52
Speaker 2: twenty five to thirty four have a bachelor's or a
24:54
Speaker 2: higher degree compared with forty six percent or almost half
24:58
Speaker 2: of all women, and that gap is growing as Professor
25:02
Speaker 2: Williams Rights. Australia now faces a generation of lost boys
25:06
Speaker 2: as young men fall behind not only at university but
25:09
Speaker 2: also throughout the education system. Professor George Williams. Excuse me,
25:13
Speaker 2: joins me now from Sydney. Good to talk to you again, Professor.
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Speaker 2: It's a real problem, this isn't it. Our university is
25:20
Speaker 2: dominated by females, fewer men going to or young boys
25:26
Speaker 2: going to university, and it's been exacerbated apparently by the
25:32
Speaker 2: COVID lockdowns over the years. Your thoughts on what's causing
25:35
Speaker 2: this and what the problem is.
25:38
Speaker 9: Yeah, Look, it's a really serious problem. If you look
25:40
Speaker 9: at university campuses today, they're dominated by talented women and
25:43
Speaker 9: they are good on them. These are women who are
25:45
Speaker 9: doing exceptionally well. They're dominating the professions. And if you
25:49
Speaker 9: take say ten students on any campus, six will be female,
25:52
Speaker 9: four will be male. That's a big gap, a twenty
25:54
Speaker 9: percent gap between the two, and of course it makes
25:57
Speaker 9: no sense given the talent and opportunity we're talking about
26:00
Speaker 9: across both genders. It's something that's been a long time coming, Chris.
26:04
Speaker 9: You know, I've had parliamentary reports going back a couple
26:06
Speaker 9: of decades warning about problems of educating boys, how boys
26:10
Speaker 9: literacy is lower, boys are dropping out of school at
26:13
Speaker 9: bigger rates. So what we're seeing is the combination of
26:16
Speaker 9: failed education policy over our very long period of time.
26:20
Speaker 9: But what it's manifesting in is this big gender divide
26:23
Speaker 9: where we're going to see women often getting the better jobs.
26:26
Speaker 9: They'll be getting the higher salaries, and of course we
26:28
Speaker 9: want them to get the good jobs and the high salaries,
26:30
Speaker 9: but the gender gap is very unhealthy, and there's a
26:33
Speaker 9: real risk that we'll see a big cohort of men
26:35
Speaker 9: in the coming years who are less skilled and simply
26:38
Speaker 9: unable to get the good jobs.
26:40
Speaker 2: Now you talk about the failures of the education system
26:43
Speaker 2: and other factors, I've been talking a bit lately about
26:46
Speaker 2: the toxic manner sphere in social media and some of
26:50
Speaker 2: the players in there, and it became very obvious that
26:54
Speaker 2: some of the key influencers there and perhaps some of
26:57
Speaker 2: their key audiences lacked decent male role models fathers or
27:02
Speaker 2: others growing up. Are children at schools, now from primary
27:06
Speaker 2: school all the way through lacking male role models in schools?
27:10
Speaker 1: Do we not have enough male teachers? I think that
27:13
Speaker 1: is a problem.
27:13
Speaker 9: Yes, and that was identified a couple of decades ago
27:16
Speaker 9: that we do need more male teachers. In fact, there's
27:19
Speaker 9: evidence in areas that's actually reduced, and we need boys
27:23
Speaker 9: who are looking at good role models, well educated people
27:26
Speaker 9: in successful lives, and the absence of those within some
27:29
Speaker 9: parts of the education system is one of the factors.
27:31
Speaker 9: We're looking at. Another big one, Chris's cost of living.
27:34
Speaker 9: We're looking at a time where families are really stretched,
27:37
Speaker 9: and for poorer families, they are finding perhaps less of
27:41
Speaker 9: a desire for boys to continue their education. Maybe they
27:43
Speaker 9: need to go out and earn more early. We're seeing
27:45
Speaker 9: boys choosing the quick buck and not going to TAPE
27:49
Speaker 9: or UNI, but taking jobs early. And those jobs, of course,
27:52
Speaker 9: the unskilled jobs plato very very quickly in terms of
27:55
Speaker 9: income and in expensive cities. It leads these men very
27:58
Speaker 9: vulnerable to the cost of life pressures, and if you
28:01
Speaker 9: care about social cohesion, you've got to care about where
28:03
Speaker 9: these men are going to be over the coming years.
28:06
Speaker 1: Yeah.
28:06
Speaker 2: Just on the other side of this, of course, there
28:08
Speaker 2: are all sorts of options for young men and women.
28:10
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be university. But when you're talking
28:12
Speaker 2: people are very fearful about the jobs that will disappear
28:16
Speaker 2: because of artificial intelligence, and a lot of those could
28:18
Speaker 2: be graduate jobs. Maybe young men will be better with
28:22
Speaker 2: a trade as sparkys or plumbers than there are being
28:26
Speaker 2: junior lawyers who could lose their jobs to AI.
28:29
Speaker 9: And I think the answer is both. I mean, I'm
28:31
Speaker 9: a big fan of TATHE. I think for many students
28:33
Speaker 9: that's the right answer. You don't need to come to
28:34
Speaker 9: UNI to have a great life and a great job.
28:36
Speaker 9: There's choices open to students, but the evidence is that
28:39
Speaker 9: we have many boys doing neither. What I would say
28:42
Speaker 9: is often the best place for some people might be
28:44
Speaker 9: in TAFE start off as an electrician. At Western Sydney UNI,
28:47
Speaker 9: we're really focused on saying, well, if you go to
28:49
Speaker 9: taithe maybe on upskill in the future you want to
28:52
Speaker 9: move from an electrician to being an engineer, and we're
28:54
Speaker 9: in the process of giving them credit for that, making
28:57
Speaker 9: it easy. And I think actually the education system's got
28:59
Speaker 9: a big job to do to make sure people got
29:01
Speaker 9: my ability can make choices and whichever way it is,
29:04
Speaker 9: that's fine. Get a good education, get a good life,
29:07
Speaker 9: get a good job. It's the people who are missing
29:09
Speaker 9: out entirely and particularly this increasing number of men that
29:12
Speaker 9: I think should worry us.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks very much for drawing our attention to it, George,
29:16
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. As Professor George Williams from the University
29:20
Speaker 2: of Western Sydney, we're.
29:21
Speaker 1: Going to get to a break. On the other side,
29:22
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about how the New South Wales
29:24
Speaker 1: government has.
29:24
Speaker 2: Unveiled a one hundred million dollar electric vehicle plan, yet
29:28
Speaker 2: they're throwing more money at it.
29:30
Speaker 1: Tim Blair will join me.
29:36
Speaker 2: Let's catch up with Tim Blair from the Daily Telegraph
29:38
Speaker 2: joins us live from the Wimmera in Western Victoria. Tim,
29:42
Speaker 2: great to catch up again. Look, evs are so much
29:46
Speaker 2: in the news at the moment because of petrol prices,
29:49
Speaker 2: and there's talk about sales being up, even secondhand.
29:53
Speaker 1: EV sales are going up.
29:54
Speaker 2: But the New South Wales government are like many other
29:57
Speaker 2: state governments, pumping money in the charging stations. They've pumped
30:01
Speaker 2: another one hundred million dollars in today.
30:03
Speaker 1: Have listened to the Energy Minister.
30:06
Speaker 13: We're going to put in another thousand charges on top
30:08
Speaker 13: of the three two, one hundred and fifty that we've
30:11
Speaker 13: already funded. It's going to help us with that destination
30:14
Speaker 13: charging and those fast charging. We don't want people to
30:16
Speaker 13: be anywhere more than one hundred kilometers away from a
30:20
Speaker 13: fast charger, so.
30:22
Speaker 1: You never have to push your tesla more than one
30:24
Speaker 1: hundred k's.
30:27
Speaker 14: It doesn't matter how many charges they really pulled out there.
30:30
Speaker 14: I mean, it's always going to take twenty five to
30:32
Speaker 14: forty five minutes to get up a reasonable charge, and
30:35
Speaker 14: if you're stuck behind someone else who's getting a charge
30:38
Speaker 14: like that, double the amount of time you're going to
30:40
Speaker 14: get your EV charged up as well. These people have
30:44
Speaker 14: never dealt with the problem which we read all the time.
30:48
Speaker 14: In every kind of story about an EV road trip,
30:51
Speaker 14: there's always a bit where they come across a recharger
30:54
Speaker 14: that's broken down. They're incredibly famously fragile. They're always getting
31:00
Speaker 14: They're not robust like petal pumps that you rarely ever
31:03
Speaker 14: see broken. These things. They're delicate. They're not made for
31:07
Speaker 14: ham fisted motorists to just jam in the side of
31:10
Speaker 14: their cars they break down.
31:12
Speaker 2: I'm just sick of all the government money, though, their
31:14
Speaker 2: taxpayers money going into these charges, and they're like, if
31:17
Speaker 2: people want to drive EV, sure than the EV manufacturers
31:21
Speaker 2: or whoever's selling the electricity, or to be pumping in,
31:25
Speaker 2: putting in the charges and just doing it on a
31:28
Speaker 2: commercial basis.
31:30
Speaker 14: There were no government petrol stations back in the day.
31:32
Speaker 14: You know, people just drove until they found I think
31:35
Speaker 14: petal used to be sold as a kind of a soldent,
31:36
Speaker 14: I think in hardware stores. That was the early means
31:39
Speaker 14: of getting around. But no, there was no government programs,
31:42
Speaker 14: There were no government subsidies. It was just, oh, here's
31:44
Speaker 14: a better idea. Everyone's ditching their horses and jumping into
31:48
Speaker 14: cars because it was better. They didn't have to be forced,
31:50
Speaker 14: they didn't have to be subsidized, they didn't have to
31:53
Speaker 14: be supported by taxpayers who don't own electric vehicles.
31:56
Speaker 2: Now, I mentioned at the top of the program some
31:58
Speaker 2: of the major gas projects in this country that have
32:01
Speaker 2: been slowed down by government action and other protests and
32:05
Speaker 2: the like. We could be running this whole country on gas.
32:08
Speaker 2: We've got so much of it, but we don't develop
32:10
Speaker 2: enough of it. Soone pointed out to me this comment
32:14
Speaker 2: from the Resources minister nearly four years ago.
32:18
Speaker 1: She kind of said the quiet bit out loud.
32:20
Speaker 2: She kind of gives away why the government doesn't want
32:23
Speaker 2: a lot of gas in the system.
32:24
Speaker 10: Ever, Look, there's a risk that if you make gas
32:27
Speaker 10: too cheap, you divert investment from renewables. And we really
32:31
Speaker 10: want investment in renewables in this country because this country
32:34
Speaker 10: is now committed to net zero missions by twenty fifty.
32:36
Speaker 10: So that's just a couple of tender consequences.
32:41
Speaker 2: They don't want us to have cheap fossil fuels because.
32:44
Speaker 1: Otherwise their renewable dream would fall apart.
32:48
Speaker 14: It kind of pulls the whole thing into focus, doesn't it.
32:51
Speaker 14: Why a few years ago did they suddenly start telling
32:54
Speaker 14: us we couldn't have gas ovened in our new homes.
32:57
Speaker 14: Why was gas, which had always been promoted as a clean,
33:01
Speaker 14: green source of energy, why was it suddenly demonized? Madeline
33:05
Speaker 14: King tells us because they've gone with renewables instead, and
33:08
Speaker 14: they had to turn gas into something that created disease.
33:11
Speaker 14: There was a threat to the environment.
33:13
Speaker 1: Someone.
33:14
Speaker 14: It is so transparent now. And these people they deserve
33:17
Speaker 14: to be run out of town really at this point,
33:19
Speaker 14: don't They are not in anything gas power. They should
33:21
Speaker 14: be run out of town really slowly, in something electric
33:23
Speaker 14: and stupid.
33:27
Speaker 1: Look, just on the fuel thing.
33:29
Speaker 2: I just wanted to finish with this quote about the
33:32
Speaker 2: unions pushing for more money for their workers in the
33:35
Speaker 2: NDI is to make up for the petrol costs. NDIS
33:40
Speaker 2: workers are still struggling to afford fuel to drive clients
33:43
Speaker 2: to essential appointments. The Australian Services Union says there's back
33:48
Speaker 2: calls for higher car expense allowances.
33:51
Speaker 1: The unions always with their handout for more taxpayers money.
33:54
Speaker 14: It's incredible, isn't it, especially because it involves both the
33:58
Speaker 14: NDIS and the FEW crisis. It's like, we've got problems
34:02
Speaker 14: with overspending and we've got problems with other overspending in
34:05
Speaker 14: this area. How we fix it more overspending? They just
34:08
Speaker 14: keep adding woe to woe.
34:10
Speaker 2: They are against the overdrive, but they are into the overspending.
34:14
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Tim Timblaere.
34:16
Speaker 2: They're reading stuff in the Daily Telegraph on the website.
34:19
Speaker 2: They're got to get to a break. On the other
34:21
Speaker 2: side of that, we're going to catch up on events
34:22
Speaker 2: in the Middle East and Donald Trump is war of
34:25
Speaker 2: woods with the Pope. Kristen Tate will join me across
34:33
Speaker 2: with Kristen Tate in the US in just a moment.
34:36
Speaker 2: The first the US blockade of Iran sports has started.
34:39
Speaker 2: With Donald Trump promising to destroy any Iranian ships approaching
34:44
Speaker 2: US navy vessels.
34:46
Speaker 1: Here's the president.
34:47
Speaker 6: I can tell you that we've been called by the
34:50
Speaker 6: other side they'd like to make it deal very badly
34:52
Speaker 6: because right now there's no fighting.
34:54
Speaker 1: Right now, we have a blockhead. They're doing no business.
34:58
Speaker 2: We can't let a country black beil or extort.
35:03
Speaker 1: The world, because that's what they're doing. They're really black
35:06
Speaker 1: bailing the world.
35:06
Speaker 12: We're not going to let that happen.
35:09
Speaker 1: Of course, this is a precarious situation.
35:11
Speaker 2: The blockade in place, and now deal with Around, even
35:14
Speaker 2: though reports suggest that Around offered to stall its nuclear
35:17
Speaker 2: program for five years. But as I put to Christian,
35:21
Speaker 2: all the tensions remain in the strada humus.
35:25
Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
35:26
Speaker 5: And I agree with a lot of what President.
35:29
Speaker 1: Trump just said.
35:30
Speaker 5: But let's just be honest. There are many Americans who
35:33
Speaker 5: think we never should have gotten into this conflict in
35:36
Speaker 5: the first place. The American people were given a lot
35:39
Speaker 5: of different justifications, and they've shifted over time. You know,
35:42
Speaker 5: in the beginning, we were told this was about stopping
35:44
Speaker 5: nuclear capabilities, than we were told it was about destroying
35:47
Speaker 5: military capabilities. And then there was even some talk of
35:50
Speaker 5: regime change. Now, the objective seems to be kind of
35:53
Speaker 5: fixing a problem that grew out of this conflict itself,
35:57
Speaker 5: you know, namely reopening the strait. But you know Chris
36:00
Speaker 5: that said, here we are, and once you're in the
36:03
Speaker 5: position we are in, the options are limited and all
36:06
Speaker 5: of them do carry risk. So I think the blockade
36:09
Speaker 5: is a good decision because at least, you know, we're
36:12
Speaker 5: not putting boots on the ground right now. It is
36:15
Speaker 5: a good way to apply economic pressure. But hey, it
36:18
Speaker 5: still does carry risks of escalation, and that's what's concerning
36:21
Speaker 5: a lot of folks here in the US.
36:23
Speaker 1: Yeah.
36:23
Speaker 2: Look, and the behavior of the President, even by his standards,
36:27
Speaker 2: is off the charts. We'll come to his spat with
36:30
Speaker 2: the Pope in a moment, but first up, just look
36:32
Speaker 2: at this post that he put up online, a post
36:35
Speaker 2: that portrays Trump himself seemingly as Jesus, surely a blasphemous
36:43
Speaker 2: image to so many people Christians.
36:45
Speaker 1: And Catholics around the world. He took it down.
36:47
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, he is what he had to say after
36:50
Speaker 2: taking the post down.
36:52
Speaker 4: I did first it and I thought it was me
36:53
Speaker 4: as a doctor and had to do with Red Cross
36:56
Speaker 4: as a Red Cross worker there, which we support.
37:00
Speaker 1: Only the fake news could come up with that one.
37:03
Speaker 2: So Christ he takes it down and then comes up
37:05
Speaker 2: with that sort of nonsense as an excuse.
37:08
Speaker 5: Hey, yeah, no one's buying that. So I have to
37:10
Speaker 5: say we were in d C when the tru that
37:14
Speaker 5: when President Trump was inaugurated back in twenty twenty five,
37:17
Speaker 5: and at the time, Chris I noticed something very interesting.
37:20
Speaker 5: President Trump did not put his hand on the Bible
37:22
Speaker 5: during his inauguration. So when you don't put your hand
37:26
Speaker 5: on the Bible during the swearing in, and then you're
37:28
Speaker 5: posting images that definitely compare yourself to Jesus, regardless of
37:32
Speaker 5: whatever excuse he's giving. Now people are going to notice
37:35
Speaker 5: that right faith matters to voters and this kind of
37:38
Speaker 5: behavior it does raise a lot of questions. No leader
37:42
Speaker 5: is as powerful as God, and this kind of imagery,
37:45
Speaker 5: it's a distraction. It turns people off, especially during times
37:48
Speaker 5: like this when we have ongoing conflicts that we're dealing
37:51
Speaker 5: with in Iran and you know, you got the Ukraine
37:53
Speaker 5: Russia situation still going on. This is a big turnoff
37:57
Speaker 5: to people, especially Christians, and it just makes Trump look
38:00
Speaker 5: I'm serious.
38:01
Speaker 2: Sure does it so important for American politicians to be Christian?
38:05
Speaker 2: The all presidents have been Christian, Barak Obama included. Now,
38:09
Speaker 2: no one thinks Donald Trump is a deeply religious man,
38:12
Speaker 2: but he certainly says he's a Christian and adheres to that.
38:17
Speaker 2: Let's have him listen to a Christian who is his
38:20
Speaker 2: vice president? JD Vance trying to explain the president's behavior.
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Speaker 15: I think the President was posting a joke, and of
38:27
Speaker 15: course he took it down because he recognized that a
38:29
Speaker 15: lot of people weren't understanding his humor. In that case,
38:33
Speaker 15: I think the President of the United States likes to
38:35
Speaker 15: mix it up on social media, and I actually think
38:37
Speaker 15: that's one of the good things about this president is
38:39
Speaker 15: that he's not filtered. He doesn't send everything through a
38:42
Speaker 15: communications professional.
38:44
Speaker 2: A valiant effort from the vice president pretty difficult to
38:48
Speaker 2: behavior to explain. Let's have a listen to the president's
38:51
Speaker 2: attack on the head of the Catholic Church, Pope Leo.
38:55
Speaker 1: We don't like a pope it's.
38:57
Speaker 6: Gonna say that it's okay to have a nuclear weapon.
39:00
Speaker 1: He's a man that doesn't think that we should be
39:04
Speaker 1: going with a country that wants a nuclear weapons.
39:07
Speaker 9: So they can blow up the world.
39:10
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of Bublo Kristin.
39:13
Speaker 2: As if Donald Trump doesn't have enough foughts on his hands,
39:16
Speaker 2: he's having a battle with the Pupe.
39:19
Speaker 3: Oh.
39:19
Speaker 5: I have to say, this is so frustrating. I am
39:22
Speaker 5: a devout Catholic. Pope Leo is very popular among Catholics
39:26
Speaker 5: in the United States. Catholics do tend to vote Republican,
39:29
Speaker 5: so this kind of rhetoric from Trump, it's just not helpful.
39:33
Speaker 5: I also find it very interesting because when you just
39:37
Speaker 5: look at the issues, Pope Leo is actually significantly to
39:40
Speaker 5: the right of President Trump when it comes to issues
39:42
Speaker 5: like abortion and gay marriage and family values. He's also
39:46
Speaker 5: more in line with Trump's own voters on the Iran
39:49
Speaker 5: War than Trump himself is. Trump's support right now is
39:52
Speaker 5: tanking amongst his base, particularly because of this war. So
39:57
Speaker 5: this just to me feels like a fight that Trump
39:59
Speaker 5: did not need to pick, and it's a distraction once
40:02
Speaker 5: again from these issues that we should be focused on.
40:04
Speaker 5: Now we're all in the media talking about a feud
40:07
Speaker 5: between Trump and the Pope instead of talking about how
40:10
Speaker 5: to wrap up this conflict, how to fix our economy,
40:13
Speaker 5: gas prices are through the roof. We've got a midterm
40:15
Speaker 5: coming up. There's a lot we should be focused on
40:17
Speaker 5: instead of this.
40:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with the I agree with everything you
40:21
Speaker 1: said there, and no.
40:22
Speaker 2: One should be surprised that the pope is arguing for
40:25
Speaker 2: peace or against war. But it does strike me as
40:28
Speaker 2: very unusual that the Pope doesn't criticize the Islamic theocracy
40:33
Speaker 2: of Iran and the slaughtering of dissidence, and the terrorism
40:37
Speaker 2: and the repression of women. He saves all of these
40:40
Speaker 2: criticism only for the American side.
40:43
Speaker 1: Of the debate, seemingly.
40:44
Speaker 2: But anyway, here's what the popes had to say in
40:46
Speaker 2: response to Donald Trump.
40:48
Speaker 1: I don't want to debate with him.
40:50
Speaker 2: I don't think that the message of the Gospel is
40:52
Speaker 2: meant to have used in the way that some people
40:55
Speaker 2: are doing.
40:57
Speaker 1: And I will continue to speak out loud listeners it's war.
41:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty wise response from the pope there, Christian, and
41:05
Speaker 2: I think it leaves Donald Trump out there a bit
41:07
Speaker 2: with Catholic voters at the very least.
41:10
Speaker 5: Of course it does. And by the way, I agree
41:12
Speaker 5: with what you said before, and I think it's fair
41:14
Speaker 5: for American leaders to criticize the Pope sometimes, but on
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Speaker 5: this issue, it just makes no sense. It's an unforced
41:20
Speaker 5: error on the part of Trump at a moment when
41:23
Speaker 5: discipline really really matters. And like you said, it's no
41:27
Speaker 5: surprise the Pope comes out against war, breaking news, Pope
41:30
Speaker 5: is against war. I mean, this really isn't very surprising
41:34
Speaker 5: spot on.
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Speaker 1: Christen. Great to have your analysis again. We'll catch up
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Speaker 1: with you next week.
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Speaker 5: Thank you as always, Chris.
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Speaker 2: Every time we think that Donald Trump could not surprise us,
41:45
Speaker 2: he does, we better take a break.
41:47
Speaker 1: On the other side, says you have Brian and Stephen
41:49
Speaker 1: Senter tampire. We'll talk about.
41:50
Speaker 2: Lots, but this one Shane Warne's son blaming the government
41:55
Speaker 2: for the cricket legion's death.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into our Tuesday panel.
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Speaker 2: Susi Obrian joins us as ever from Melbourne, where she
42:06
Speaker 2: writes columns and looks after education for the News Court Papers.
42:10
Speaker 2: Steve has sent a tempo breakfast morning radio host in Canberra.
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Speaker 1: Great to catch up with both of you.
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Speaker 2: Start with you, Susie on Angus Taylor's speech on immigration.
42:20
Speaker 2: It's a serious attempt to toughen up the nation's approach.
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Speaker 1: You'll take.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, I'm not against them saying they want to discriminate
42:31
Speaker 16: on the basis of values. I think a lot of
42:33
Speaker 16: people would agree with this. But when you solely put
42:36
Speaker 16: those values down to what country people are coming from,
42:39
Speaker 16: then it does feel like a kind of you wide
42:41
Speaker 16: Australia policy all over again. I think we have to
42:45
Speaker 16: be really careful. Some of the people coming to seek
42:48
Speaker 16: refuge in this country are fleeing regimes, despotic regimes. They're
42:53
Speaker 16: not supporting those regimes. So if we say we only
42:56
Speaker 16: want people from liberal democratic countries, then we're really selling
43:00
Speaker 16: ourselves short. So we've got to be careful with some
43:03
Speaker 16: of this rhetoric. I think by all means we want
43:05
Speaker 16: people who have links to terrorist organization suspicious, you know,
43:11
Speaker 16: whether it's social media techs or whatever, in line with
43:14
Speaker 16: terrorist groups or terrorist sympathies. But just because you come
43:18
Speaker 16: from a country that was once under rule by despot
43:22
Speaker 16: I don't think so well.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that Angus Taylor's saying that's the only guide,
43:27
Speaker 2: but he's saying that can be a guide. Obviously, if
43:29
Speaker 2: people are living in democracies where there is the rule
43:32
Speaker 2: of law, they get that, they understand it. Let's have
43:36
Speaker 2: a look before I go to you, Steven a little
43:38
Speaker 2: bit more of what Angos Taylor had to say.
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Speaker 3: Our nation has paid the price for believing that anyone
43:44
Speaker 3: from anywhere will embrace our way of life. Not everyone
43:48
Speaker 3: wanting to migrade to Australia has a noble intent. Not
43:52
Speaker 3: everyone wanting to migrade to Australia will be a net
43:54
Speaker 3: benefit to Australia. Indeed, some will be a net train.
43:58
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that.
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Speaker 2: The vast majority have been net benefit, Stephen. But there
44:02
Speaker 2: have been some shockers who have gotten through. My issue
44:05
Speaker 2: is how you pick them out.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, well there's a couple of issues here, And I
44:10
Speaker 17: think you know, it's dangerous to ConFlat refugees with standard migrants.
44:14
Speaker 17: And I grew up in Western Sydney, where there's somewhere
44:16
Speaker 17: in the vicinity of one hundred and sixty one hundred
44:18
Speaker 17: and seventy different nationalities in the area that I grew
44:21
Speaker 17: up in, and I've met good people and bad people
44:24
Speaker 17: from all of those countries. So yes, refugees are probably
44:28
Speaker 17: fleeing these despotic regimes. But that's not the full story
44:32
Speaker 17: of immigration. But the biggest challenge that Angus Taylor's going
44:35
Speaker 17: to have here. As you said, well, the first challenge
44:37
Speaker 17: is how do you identify what these people actually stand for?
44:40
Speaker 17: I mean, if you put a questionnaire out there, do
44:41
Speaker 17: you agree with Australian values? Well, everyone's going to tick. Yes,
44:44
Speaker 17: that's the problem. But the other thing here is is
44:47
Speaker 17: that the mother of all scare campaigns is going to
44:49
Speaker 17: come down on the Liberal Party for this policy. And
44:52
Speaker 17: what they've demonstrated in the past is they they can't
44:55
Speaker 17: combat scare campaign So he needs to really work out
44:58
Speaker 17: how he's going to sell this policy. And look, ultimately,
45:01
Speaker 17: I think the majority of Australians are going to agree
45:03
Speaker 17: with the sentiment of it if he can sell it right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, refugees are only a tiny part of the
45:08
Speaker 2: immigration story, and you're right, you can't migrate to this
45:11
Speaker 2: country through the normal programs from despotic regimes.
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Speaker 1: It just doesn't work like that. So look, there's plenty
45:17
Speaker 1: for them to argue. They will get attacked by the.
45:20
Speaker 2: ABCSBS, the Greens, the ALP, the unis the rest of it.
45:26
Speaker 1: But that just shows you're on to the point. You've
45:28
Speaker 1: got to be good enough to withstand this. But I
45:29
Speaker 1: agree with you.
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Speaker 2: In the past few years, the liberals haven't been able to.
45:33
Speaker 2: I want to go to a story that kind of
45:34
Speaker 2: relates to this and get your thoughts on it, Susie,
45:36
Speaker 2: and that is that we've learned out of Iran that
45:40
Speaker 2: four hundred Iranians deemed as any enemies of the state.
45:43
Speaker 2: Basic at least the supporters of the enemy have had
45:45
Speaker 2: their assets stripped, including Zara Ganbari, who was the captain
45:50
Speaker 2: of the soccer team. Of course, she was one of
45:52
Speaker 2: the ones who sought sanctuary asylum in Australia, then changed
45:56
Speaker 2: her mind and she's gone back and Lord knows what
45:58
Speaker 2: fate is going to befall her.
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Speaker 16: Oh, this is absolutely terrifying. Apparently more has come out
46:07
Speaker 16: since she left this country that her mother was targeted.
46:12
Speaker 16: There was concerns about that that her mother was could
46:16
Speaker 16: be harmed if she didn't come back, and she was
46:19
Speaker 16: sort of paraded when she first got back. And now
46:21
Speaker 16: her essets have been seized since she hasn't been seen since,
46:24
Speaker 16: with a whole host of other people. There are very
46:27
Speaker 16: very grave dangers for the safety of these women and
46:30
Speaker 16: all of that group. It's absolutely terrifying.
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Speaker 2: Sure is now I want to go something that has
46:36
Speaker 2: come out of left Field and Jackson Warn, the son
46:39
Speaker 2: of the late Great Shane Warn, had this to say
46:41
Speaker 2: on a podcast.
46:43
Speaker 14: Do you think that the COVID shot killed your dad?
46:46
Speaker 18: I definitely think it was involved. And I don't even
46:48
Speaker 18: think it's saying that is controversial anymore, like with the
46:51
Speaker 18: amount of data that's come out, Like even if Dad
46:55
Speaker 18: had underlying health issues, I think this brought it straight
46:59
Speaker 18: to the surface. And that's one thing that I've always
47:02
Speaker 18: been like, that's one thing I've always struggled with because
47:05
Speaker 18: my first impression, as soon as I hung up the phone,
47:07
Speaker 18: I instantly blamed the government. I instantly blamed COVID and
47:12
Speaker 18: the vaccine.
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Speaker 2: Well, Jackson Warn, who's done a lot of great work
47:16
Speaker 2: with his late father's charity looking at helping with men's health, Stephen,
47:21
Speaker 2: But we know through the various COVID vaccines, many many
47:25
Speaker 2: people did die and did get serious injuries.
47:28
Speaker 1: But there's been no official suggestion that this had any
47:31
Speaker 1: impact on Shane WARN's death.
47:34
Speaker 16: No.
47:34
Speaker 17: Look, and I understand that he wants to blame somebody
47:37
Speaker 17: for his dad's death. I mean, it's just natural. But
47:39
Speaker 17: you know, he went on to say, you know, I
47:40
Speaker 17: know Dad drank and smoke but plenty of people live
47:43
Speaker 17: into their eighties and nineties when they drink and smoke. Well,
47:45
Speaker 17: my father smoked one hundred cigarettes a day for forty
47:47
Speaker 17: years and didn't die of lung cancer, you know. I mean,
47:50
Speaker 17: you know, I can't dance, but I can tap my
47:52
Speaker 17: feet to the music. Cause and effect is not here,
47:56
Speaker 17: as I say. I feel for him. He's sad that
47:58
Speaker 17: his dad died, clearly, but I think he might be
48:01
Speaker 17: on the wrong track here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I just want to go to get your
48:07
Speaker 1: reaction to something in a moment, Susie.
48:09
Speaker 2: Because really you are the envy of the world at
48:12
Speaker 2: the moment, the people of Melbourne, because of all the.
48:16
Speaker 1: Gin joints in all the world, this couple have walked
48:19
Speaker 1: into your town when you joined me in Australia.
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Speaker 11: Anything to say to the Australian.
48:27
Speaker 2: Public, thank you, how wonderful, Susie. And because it's not
48:34
Speaker 2: a royal tour, they can turn a buck from it.
48:38
Speaker 19: Ah, I mean they're not, they're not royals anymore, but
48:42
Speaker 19: they're trying to behave like royals and they're they're taking
48:45
Speaker 19: on these charity events and using them to kind of
48:48
Speaker 19: charity wash their images.
48:51
Speaker 16: But you know, They don't want to do the hard
48:52
Speaker 16: work of being real Royals. They just want to turn
48:55
Speaker 16: up in it when it suits them.
48:56
Speaker 1: I want you to use the word that you use.
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Speaker 12: I know.
49:02
Speaker 1: Rifter is brilliantly you know.
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Speaker 16: And you know what's so funny The ABC? I know
49:08
Speaker 16: we hate the ABC here on Scotty is apparently but
49:11
Speaker 16: very funny. This morning they the seven seven four ABC
49:15
Speaker 16: had a thing saying where would you take the Royals
49:18
Speaker 16: in Melbourne? You know, where do you think they should go?
49:20
Speaker 16: And half the people ringing in were saying, straight back
49:22
Speaker 16: to the airport.
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Speaker 19: I think it's nice for the.
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Speaker 6: Straight back.
49:28
Speaker 16: I think it's nice for the kids at the hospital.
49:30
Speaker 16: I mean, by all accounts, they had a wonderful morning
49:33
Speaker 16: there and it was really nice to see the kids
49:35
Speaker 16: so happy. However, we can really do without them here.
49:39
Speaker 16: Send them back, send them back to one to see.
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Speaker 1: Tell them to go get a real job, get them.
49:47
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Stephen and Susie. I appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: We'll catch you next week. That is all the time
49:52
Speaker 1: for we've got for you. Yes, we are over time.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. Here's Peter Quidlin