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BTS Arirang Extravanganza: Album Review Side A (Originally recorded on 4/11/26) · I Was Thinking…

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  What's up everybody? It's your lovely host Simone
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  again. And this was or this is Jesus,
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  this is, I was thinking, yay, I'm breaking the wall again.
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  This is back-to-back recording. Yay, we're going to push
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  through. We're going to get through it.
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  And here with me is still the lovely Shay.
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  I'm back, yes, and get rid of me actually never left, right?
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  Never left. But yes, we're actually bringing
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  the album review to the BTS I Dong extravaganza.
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  So let's actually go ahead and deep dive into this album.
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  We'll highlight all the producers and writers credited
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  on it. Talk about, you know, if we had
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  any problems with any of the songs lyrics that we liked.
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  Again, I have Shay here because she's familiar with some names
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  that I might not be familiar with.
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  So like, talk about them and maybe their music journey and
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  how they tie in to working with BTS and yeah, what works for us,
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  what doesn't work for us. Are you excited, Shay?
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  I'm so excited, but more excited to get this over with like that.
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  I'm excited. This is one of my favorite
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  things. Obviously when it comes to any
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  album, it's just deep diving. The first thing, you know, when
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  we, when we got the credit, the song credit, first thing we did,
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  I think in the server Discord server for the but you didn't
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  listen to Part 1. Go back and listen to that.
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  We kind of did a little bit of deep dive on, you know, what
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  these artists are these, you know, writers and producers are
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  and what I and what many of us thought were going to bring to
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  the table based on their, their, you know, their, their
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  trajectory in music. So it's one of my favorite
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  parts. I always check the credits
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  because, you know, songwriters are important.
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  They're very much a necessity and part of the lifeblood of
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  what makes music music. And same with producers.
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  And you know, not to yap too long, but I mean this, this
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  album has been I think one of them.
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  I won't say it's the most controversial, but at least in
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  my Army lifetime, it has been one of the most polarizing
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  albums or projects that they put out probably outside of JK Solo
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  Project, because JK Solo Project was also fully English and very
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  heavily influenced by Western producers and Western writers.
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  And it's just, it's funny the similarities I think that we're
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  seeing with that conversation. But we'll get into that.
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  Not going to jump ahead so. Yeah, so before we talk about
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  each song, I do want to highlight the achievements that
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  this album has made because, you know, we still have to bring
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  light to that. So the lead single that they
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  went with Swim on the 1st week of charting actually went #1 on
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  the Billboard Hot 1 Hundreds in the US.
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  So Congrats to BTS. It's been some time since that.
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  So I think the last time as we're recording this that I saw,
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  it did get bumped down, but to number 2.
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  So it's actually still in the top 10 for the Hot one hundreds.
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  So that's great. This album also made BTS the
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  first group in history to debut a song and album at #1 on the
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  Hot One Hundreds and Billboard 200.
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  And the first time that they achieved that was with the album
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  B that we got during the pandemic and the title track
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  with That Life Goes On. So the whole album itself
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  actually debuted on the Billboard Hot 100.
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  I have the songs and where they placed on the whole Hot 100
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  chart. So of course, like I stated,
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  Swim was #1 #25 was body to body, 35 was hooligan, 36 was
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  fire, 41 was normal, 47 alien, 52 point zero, 52 merry go round
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  53 like animals, 56 they don't know about US. 61 one more
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  night, 63 please, and 68 into the sun apparently #29 was not
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  eligible for the hot one hundreds.
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  We know a place. It should have, but I guess they
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  didn't count it for some odd reason.
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  I don't remember what the reasoning was.
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  And again, since it's been some time I don't know if any of
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  these have gone up down or knocked off the chart
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  completely. But BTS has also become the
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  first artist and history. Not just K pop group, not Asian
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  group or like Asian act, but first artist in history to
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  hockey occupy the entire 10 top 10 on the Billboard global
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  excluding US charts. So in order it was swim body to
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  body hooligan fire, normal aliens like animals, 2 point O
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  merry go round and they don't know about us.
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  So Congrats to them. And also when I first we first
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  tried to record this on April 5th, Adirong by BTS had actually
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  surpassed 1 billion streams on Spotify.
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  So it became the fastest album by any group or Asian act in
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  history to achieve this milestone.
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  I also believe that Adirong date at #1 on the Billboard 200 for
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  two weeks. So it's been #1 two weeks in a
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  row because I do know they blocked Kanye and I think I
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  heard they may be going for a third week.
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  So they may actually, we'll know by the time this recording comes
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  out, but they may actually be in the Billboard 200 for at least
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  three consecutive weeks, which would be the longest in their
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  history as well. Yes, it is.
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  So to talk about the album itself, I'm also going to add in
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  like notes that I took from the studio notes live that they did,
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  just to let you know. I'll be referencing that a lot
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  and like to begin with, I also want to point out it's very
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  interesting. We're like Yungi, I guess,
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  really emphasize how even though you see many names in the
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  production, BTS themselves and all seven members were really
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  the ones that like took lead and part in the process and some
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  way. So just to keep that in mind.
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  But we're going to go ahead and start with the very first song
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  that is on the album titled Body to Body.
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  If you also watch the documentary, this song was
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  talked about a lot because it's the one where they use the
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  actual Adiram sample. So the producers on this track
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  are credited. Oh, I should also do my
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  disclaimer real quick. I am so sorry if I mispronounce
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  any of these names. I'm trying my best.
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  I usually need to hear them phonetically to make sure I'm
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  pronouncing them right. So yeah, I just wanted to just
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  put that out there. If I mispronounce, if any of
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  them for some odd reason decide to listen to this podcast, I am
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  so sorry for mispronouncing your name.
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  If I did Prince, pronounce your name.
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  Well, let's start with the producer credits.
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  So we have the pick card brothers Diplo, Ryan Tedder and
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  P Dog, with the lyrics credited by Ryan Tedder, Maximum pick
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  Card, Thomas Wesley Pence, Akira Evans, Tezo Touchdown, P Dog, RM
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  Sugar, J Hope and Kirsten Alyssa Spencer.
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  Now, I did want to point out real quick that it was
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  interesting as well because if you watch the documentary,
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  Namjoon and Yugi throughout the samples they were using wasn't
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  really feeling it. In this song, they had a lot to
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  say about it. And in the studio notes, Yugi
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  actually says something along the lines of like kind of being
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  against using the sample at first because he's already used
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  so many Korean traditional music and his own solo work before.
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  And then he brought up Hey Gum and Dechi Schwa, just to name
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  the 2. So I do think like, the decision
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  to use the sample was more in the perspective of like, the
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  enjoyment from international fans than their Korean fans
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  because they also talked about the concerns on that.
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  And like, if Koreans maybe thought they turned like, too
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  patriotic, especially after coming directly from the
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  military and like, trying to placate other things like that.
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  And with this song that was mentioned in the studio notes as
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  well as I'm going to be referencing a army who's known
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  on Twitter as Dole said they have their own website who I do
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  have the, you know, link to their blog.
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  Please check it out where they work tirelessly to translate BT
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  s s albums and not only translate the lyrics, but give
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  like a more in depth description of like certain Korean contacts.
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  But both of them, Mungi and this person talked about how they
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  mentioned the song Hand in Hand, which was the official theme
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  song of the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul.
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  And that was kind of like their inspiration for the song body to
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  body. And then on Dole Sets blog on a
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  breakdown, the lyrics they mentioned, the lyrics of Hand in
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  Hand are built on the central themes of unity, harmony, hope,
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  and then dismantling of barriers, which I feel like you
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  can kind of get that hit when you look at the lyrics, when I
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  know some people interpret it, some like, you know, different
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  ways of like I want your body beside me and things like that.
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  Or like one lyric I'm looking at, it's translated from Korean
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  so we can reach the moon over there hand in hand, so.
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  So names of familiar it's just a not to correct, but T's a
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  touchdown is an artist slash songwriter, I'm assuming from
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  what I saw on the further breakdown on Wikipedia, he added
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  a vocals. So I'm sure he does.
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  Yeah, on his own Wikipedia, which I don't knock Wikipedia.
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  I just hate the Wikipedia warriors.
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  It actually tells you all the things that they contribute
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  these people contribute to. So one of the things that he
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  did, from what I understand, from what it says, is that he
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  attributes some of the vocals, which probably was like
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  background vocals, ad libs, things like that.
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  Maybe just some certain sounds. Yeah, not exactly on the
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  opposite one in the studio, but he's an artist.
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  He has put out, I want to say like 3 projects, 3 like studio
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  projects. Very eclectic young man, very
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  eccentric personality. Kind of have that Lil Uzi Vert,
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  but I feel like that he kind of births some of that, you know,
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  influence or whatever with just a very he's just he's he has a
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  very unique style, unique sound. I don't necessarily hear him
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  like in this just based on his music, but I can see why just
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  based on his type of style, why they would have reached out to
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  him for any input or whatever. And of course, you have like
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  Diplo, very notable name. Wasn't too familiar with the
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  Picard brothers when we first got to look them up.
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  I think they are a French duo. I remember that correctly.
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  Name like maximum? That would make sense, and I
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  don't think I spell I'm saying that correctly.
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  Yeah, I could be wrong on where they're from, but they're
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  definitely a like a ADJ set, I believe focusing I think
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  primarily on like EDM and stuff like that.
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  So I think the and then Ryan Tedder, of course, Ryan Tedder,
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  I think from one Republic and has worked side by side with
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  like the likes of Timberland. So I found I found these things
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  kind of interesting, just the the choices that were made and
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  the people who were involved. I think the choice and again,
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  tying it into the documentary and kind of the apprehension to
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  utilize such like on the nose sampling.
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  Like I think there's also a little maybe a little bit of
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  trauma with uni and sampling with, you know, certain things
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  that happened with certain songs and certain samples.
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  You know, I didn't even think about that until you mentioned
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  it. Yeah.
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  But again, I think there's again, going into the
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  conversation of like there's valid criticism, valid, you
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  know, and even from themselves, like these concerns they had
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  were valid to them. Maybe a few.
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  I mean, because I was much like J Hope in the dark.
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  I was feeling it as soon as like, that's my favorite.
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  Part I said that. Too, like the song is good, but
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  my favorite part is when you start hearing the women in the
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  background and they're just it's slowly building.
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  And then you we're still, but it's combined with the vocal
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  stylings of JK and Jimin and Jen and all them and and Tay and
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  we're hearing them like blend it in the way of like again,
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  bringing the old into the new, combining those things, which
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  again, hand in hand, almost kind of like poetic in a way.
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  And then to give them their own space to let that breathe.
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  And including all of this just heavy hitting instrumentation.
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  Again, if you haven't listened to this within in more than one
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  way, if you haven't listened to this in the car, which by now
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  I'm sure everybody has listened to this a myriad of ways.
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  But if you have not done yourself the service to listen
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  to this like on a proper system and find you like just find you
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  the nearest a karaoke spot and just have them play it and, you
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  know, rent it out for an hour and just go listen to this
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  album. That's what I promise is what
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  we're planning on doing. Mostly the reason part of it is
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  just to hear this in a proper speaker system.
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  And obviously, you know, I am under the assumption, even
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  though I do not want spoilers for the other songs, I know that
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  this album is going to be primarily part of the setlist.
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  So it's not not it's not lost on me that this song will obviously
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  be featured on the set list. It'll be very interesting to see
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  us over here. And I'm sure it's been very like
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  interesting to see the Korean concerts sing that part along.
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  It probably feels like a very special moment.
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  And I'm glad that, you know, with the with the documentary,
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  there was a lot of backlash, obviously with, you know, them
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  quote UN quote strongly suggesting to BTS that they use
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  the longer sample. And I hate to be the person
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  that'd be like, well, you know, they were right.
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  Bong PD was correct. And I think the longer sample
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  was the correct choice at when you listen to them side by side,
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  because we were able to in the documentary, be able to listen
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  to the shorter version. How it would have played out in
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  versus I'm, I can't imagine not being able to feel the emotions
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  I feel as a non Korean hearing audio on being sung in the
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  background in this building, like in, in, in this, in this
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  constant, like, like almost like it's almost kind of sounds like
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  a victory lap in a way, which is very motivational and very
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  inspiring and very creative as well.
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  I mean, I think part of the whole reason why a lot of people
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  not to be like negative, we're kind of like pushed behind or
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  like pushed off by all this and we're craving more quote UN
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  quote authentic sound and authentic references to
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  something that's more Korean. Like, I do think that a lot of
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  the fans and a lot of people who were anticipating this album to
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  be quote UN quote more Korean, we're looking at wanting more of
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  this, more of this blending of like the older sad, the older
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  generation songs and instrumentation and references
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  into this new era. But I mean, I be honest, I don't
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  think that an album that is just that would probably get old fast
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  to have a constant like every song has some kind of like
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  reference to something, you know what I mean?
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  Like it's it I think it it that's a strong opening.
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  I I honest, I remember, if I remember this correctly, back
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  when the album came out, it like body to body was in the lead.
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  This this this swim be in the lead single, but body to body
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  was a fan. Is is a fan favorite.
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  I would argue that's probably one of the top three of like
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  everybody's favorites. Just and I think it has a lot to
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  do with the fact that that song swells in the end and feels very
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  it feels very patriotic. I'm I'm sure I don't know that
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  for a fact because I'm not Korean, but I do.
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  It's kind of like similar to that.
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  I don't know if you ever feel this as well when you see Samoan
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  men do is haka hoka. I was going to bring that up
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  because my first experience with the haka, I actually got a
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  chance when I was younger to go to New Zealand.
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  I actually knew nothing about New Zealand at that point, but
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  it was part of a package like traveling thing that someone we
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  knew at the time did. So I was fortunate enough to go
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  there. And I just remember the feeling
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  I had like watching them do that.
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  I just feel like it was so powerful.
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  And like you're saying like, even though I'm not like a part
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  of that culture at all, Like you can just feel it.
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  Like you can feel the ties of the ancestry, like the respect
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  there, which you can feel as well.
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  Like when you're listening to Body Body.
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  I know too, like when we talked about in the other part of like
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  the Korean diaspora, there's been so many when this album
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  first came out and when they were listening to the song, like
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  Koreans of the diaspora, whether they're the younger generation
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  or like they were showing their parents or grandparents.
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  And you would just see them cry because they just reminded them
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  of Korea, like if they were their older ones who used to
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  live there and like Mr. Homeland or like the ones that never got
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  to really like grow up in Korea, like feel connected to the
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  homeland with that. So I do feel like that was very
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  needed despite like the worries of the criticism of Koreans and
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  Korean themselves. But like, I see your point as
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  well. And I feel that way too.
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  Because it's like we get it, Like it comes to a point.
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  It's like, OK, we understand, like you're Korean, this is your
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  roots, this is your culture. But like, what else?
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  I don't know if this is like a Western way of my thinking, but
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  it's like, I want to also know you as an individual.
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  Like I don't, I don't care that you're Korean.
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  I'm happy you're proud of where you are and want to showcase
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  that, but that's not who you are.
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  Like, that's not all you are. And it's like, I feel like,
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  yeah, there comes some points like, OK, like, we get it.
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  But who else are you as a person?
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  Like your whole identity doesn't revolve about around you being
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  Korean, which I think was another reason I was so upset
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  about the controversy of like, is this Korean enough?
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  Because, you know, we're all individual people, so you have
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  your own personality outside of your race and ethnicity.
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  Yeah, Overall, I think when I was cycling through my way of
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  listening to the album, I found myself like, you know, like
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  doubling back. I would get half, I would get
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  almost to the end and I have to come back and start all.
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  Just something about the boards being used, the particular
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  things that are like that stand out as far as again, the
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  instrumentation, especially when it goes into that part where
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  it's homage to like the traditional song.
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  And I feel like it's, it's very relatable to a lot of if you
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  like music, if you're somebody who like grew up with like just
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  different music, but just like for just using black people, you
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  know, And in this example, a lot of not all that's, but a lot of
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  us were raised around kind of our our grandparents and our
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  grandparents listen to a lot of like older, you know, music like
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  Marvin Gaye, Al Green and you know, the list goes on.
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  Lenny Williams just on and on. And then when you hear someone
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  in the new generation make a sample, like I think of Coco
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  Jones when she did what's that song called?
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  Here we go. It's samples.
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  Lenny Williams because I love you, which can be intimidating
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  to it's like one of the quote UN quote greatest love songs of our
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  of that generation. And it can be inseminating.
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  And so I get the apprehension of like using something that's so
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  sacred, I guess, to your culture and to your people.
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  And again, feeling like you're using this to sell a product.
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  I can see why there was apprehension there.
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  But I was also very much in my Hobie bag and jam and I was not
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  concerned about, you know, I was, I felt Hobie so much like
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  when he was just like. I'm fucking with this.
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  And they were looking at him like, we ain't fucking with
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  this. And he's looking around like,
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  yeah, I ain't fucking with this. Like no, we're not fucking with
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  this. And it's it's, and I think
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  that's also just to tie that in. That's such a real moment.
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  Like it's such a like, it just goes to show that they don't
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  agree on everything all the time.
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  Like, I think people have this misconception of like they get
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  in the studio and they and I, I don't think everybody feels this
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  way, but I think there is a part of our fandom that believes that
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  everything BTS puts out it just it's it's, it's a, it's an
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  automatic yes. Like, and even the things that
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  do get put out, there was a struggle there.
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  There wasn't conflict there. I think art itself, whether it's
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  music, the written word, you know, visual art, whatever,
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  whatever is under the category of art, there has to be a little
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  bit of struggle for an art to be good or considered good.
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  You know, there has to be like a back story there.
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  You mean like, I think of like noms and a lot when he goes and
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  sits in a fucking museum every day, all day and just reading
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  and learning and just hearing the stories of different, you
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  know, artists and sculptors and painters and the things that
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  they go through and why they were inspired.
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  And all that is part of the is part of the artistic expression.
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  So even if we're seeing like a bit of, you know, push and pull
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  and, you know, they're obviously like having some differences of
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  opinions. And again, these concerns which
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  are valid are coming up. I think if they just went in
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  with the with the with the mindset like we're just going to
• 21:32
  put out whatever. I mean, spoiler, I guess maybe
• 21:36
  I'm not really. I think it's been now said in
• 21:38
  many interviews, this album, the project had over like 100 songs,
• 21:44
  potential song, and they narrowed that down to 14.
• 21:48
  And of those 100 songs, I guarantee you that whole
• 21:52
  situation that we saw with Body to Body probably happened on
• 21:54
  every. I don't think there was a song
• 21:56
  that they all collectively agreed on without a little bit
• 22:00
  of pushback. No.
• 22:01
  And we'll, we'll talk about that too with this as well.
• 22:04
  Because even the songs they did pick, they were like, Nope, I
• 22:07
  don't want that. And they were very vocal about
• 22:09
  that, which I'm sure they were afraid to do because like you
• 22:12
  said, I'm sure there's some subgroup of armies out there.
• 22:15
  There was like they agree with everything.
• 22:18
  There is no conflict even among the members themselves of like
• 22:21
  any type of disagreements which is not.
• 22:23
  Because they also have different things that they enjoy listening
• 22:26
  to. We saw that through solo
• 22:28
  projects, just with their choices.
• 22:30
  And so part of it isn't just about what the group thinks
• 22:36
  about a song. It's more or less of what they
• 22:38
  individually think. And if they're like, Oh, that's
• 22:40
  like, I can see I'm we didn't see this, but I can envision
• 22:43
  like JK is very much a type of the type of personality that is
• 22:47
  kind of up to date with trends and well, it tries to be anyway.
• 22:51
  I know we just we just talked about how he's late to
• 22:53
  everything, but like he's also, I think one of the ones that's
• 22:56
  on between him and J Hope are very like social media aware.
• 23:00
  And so like, especially with like them both being on TikTok.
• 23:03
  And I know Tay is also on TikTok now, but Tay is Tay.
• 23:06
  So like he's kind of he does, he treats TikTok like he treats his
• 23:10
  lives. He's on there when he is and
• 23:11
  he's not when he's not. But I think both of them are
• 23:14
  very conscious about what's popular and in the day.
• 23:17
  You you want to have a balance between something that people
• 23:21
  enjoy, but also something that's authentic.
• 23:22
  And it's hard to find that balance because you know, one of
• 23:25
  my favorite artists, Black, which is spelled with a six for
• 23:29
  the B. He talks about this and one of
• 23:31
  his songs on his debut projects where essentially he's alluding
• 23:35
  to the fact that he was kind of suggested to go a direction, but
• 23:40
  he chose his authenticity because if he ended up going the
• 23:44
  direction that people want him to go, he would be pigeon holed
• 23:46
  in that and he would have to continue to chase that
• 23:49
  popularity, like I to stay relevant.
• 23:52
  And that's not how you build a solid fan base.
• 23:54
  And I would say that it's probably one of the best like
• 23:56
  not pieces of advice, but just one of the the best like artists
• 24:00
  conversations I've ever heard. Like, yeah, you don't really
• 24:03
  want. That's why you we're going to
• 24:05
  get back on track. But I just this is how it is.
• 24:09
  We talk about music. I think when it comes to these
• 24:12
  popcorn artists, these people that come and you see them and
• 24:14
  they come with a viral hit and they're gone like these are
• 24:17
  people that are obviously here for to get a bag.
• 24:20
  No, no shame in that, but you find you, you you have artists
• 24:24
  that have been in the game for decades and still relevant.
• 24:28
  Beyoncé being one of them, like one of my my favorite artists of
• 24:31
  all time. But even we're even seeing like
• 24:33
  modern artists right now. Like I think the Tyler, I think
• 24:36
  Tyler is going to be a household name in a few years, especially
• 24:39
  because Rihanna is not ever going to give us another album.
• 24:41
  Anyway. I'm not salty.
• 24:44
  I promise. It's about BTS.
• 24:45
  I'm sorry, but this is what I'm saying.
• 24:46
  This is why I think when we talk about BTS, it's it is outside of
• 24:50
  K Pop because this is they're they're in a different ear group
• 24:54
  than K pop itself. And that's not shade because I
• 24:57
  also am an enjoyer of K Pop. But BTS exists on a plane
• 25:01
  because of where they're at that they are kind of in a unique
• 25:06
  position with them being, like you said earlier or in the first
• 25:09
  part, aged out or perceived to be aged out of what typical
• 25:14
  what's typically, you know, allowed in K pop.
• 25:16
  But also just the style of music they do.
• 25:18
  Again, the reach that they have, all of that plays art.
• 25:22
  And so they are put in a different bracket.
• 25:24
  And when I talk about BTSI, actually compare them a lot to
• 25:27
  artists that are also in those same brackets.
• 25:30
  So you'll hear just disclaimer throughout this entire
• 25:34
  second-half of the podcast, I will be talking about other art,
• 25:38
  so. I feel like it ties into like
• 25:40
  the musical talk. So that's completely.
• 25:42
  Fine, yeah, I don't have any notes as far as like my
• 25:45
  enjoyment. I mean, I again, I this was this
• 25:47
  was probably when I sat down and ranked them and then rank is
• 25:52
  very loosely used. I can't really rank this album,
• 25:54
  but this is definitely my top three favorites off the album.
• 25:58
  So love this song. I don't think I think the
• 26:00
  choices that were made the right ones.
• 26:02
  That's probably, probably I get to say as far as that now if we
• 26:05
  want to. I don't know if this was one of
• 26:06
  the ones you had any lyrics and that you wanted to dive into.
• 26:10
  Yeah, I mean, I was just going to point out again, I guess for
• 26:12
  me, because I've already watched the concert, like I know the
• 26:15
  setlist, but I'm not saying anything.
• 26:17
  But you can tell this was meant to be like not only a way to
• 26:20
  just like open up the album, but it's it's a party song.
• 26:23
  Like it's a way to like get people hype.
• 26:25
  It's a way to like get people excited even within the lyrics.
• 26:28
  Like I'm looking now like the first thing that Nam June it is
• 26:31
  after like the whole introduction with like J Hope
• 26:34
  repeating I need and he like what you need twin.
• 26:36
  OK, anyway, sorry. When we get to that, his first
• 26:42
  word is I need the whole stadium to jump.
• 26:43
  So and then put your phone down. Let's all get all the fun.
• 26:47
  And that's another thing too, I guess, if we want to talk about
• 26:49
  music in general, because, you know, we're also addicted to our
• 26:52
  phones and we're also addicted to recording everything that
• 26:55
  includes concerts. So like, you can really tell if
• 26:57
  they're putting put your phone down in a song, they don't want
• 27:01
  you to be on your phone. They want you to live in the
• 27:03
  moment to enjoy. And this is definitely one of
• 27:07
  the songs where I think it will showcase that to just vibe out
• 27:11
  together, party together. And I feel bad for those of you
• 27:14
  who have front row because he already said he's watching y'all
• 27:18
  in the song. Like he literally said I got my.
• 27:20
  Eyes on the road front. And I would not want to be under
• 27:24
  the eye of Nam June for any reason at all.
• 27:27
  I don't want to be no. Not really.
• 27:30
  I mean, truthfully, I don't have that that sentiment as far as
• 27:33
  like I, I genuinely think in my right mind, which is most of the
• 27:37
  time I think that I could sit down and like have like a
• 27:40
  general conversation. I don't have this like delusion
• 27:43
  of like I'm going to pass out and seeing them.
• 27:44
  I don't have like that starstruck Ness about myself.
• 27:47
  But yeah. But I think there's something,
• 27:50
  like you said, about putting a spotlight on the culture that
• 27:54
  isn't now with like concert culture.
• 27:58
  I don't record shit. If you've ever been to a concert
• 28:00
  with me, I don't ask me for no video.
• 28:02
  People be like, make sure I don't see no pictures.
• 28:03
  But anytime you've been with me, we've been out together.
• 28:05
  I don't say no pictures, no. We went to a TS together.
• 28:08
  Yeah, we went to a TS together in fucking hot ass Texas in the
• 28:11
  middle of fucking what, June or July?
• 28:13
  Worst thing we ever made. But no, it was a good concert.
• 28:16
  But anyway, I don't take videos or photos because first of all,
• 28:20
  I know that in about 15 minutes somebody's going to have it on
• 28:23
  the Internet. I'm going to enjoy myself and I
• 28:26
  really wish that they were BTS was able to experience people
• 28:31
  being like that so they can feel like they're connecting because
• 28:35
  right now they're just connecting with the back of a
• 28:37
  phone and they're not seeing you.
• 28:40
  They want to see you. They want you to react, they
• 28:43
  want to engage and everybody's like makes it a big deal.
• 28:47
  And again, not to like trail off the people make it's like, oh,
• 28:50
  you people just want their wine moment.
• 28:51
  I would argue that some of these artists really want to engage
• 28:54
  with you because this is part of not just the job, but this is
• 28:58
  part of their lovecraft. Like against Segwayne to another
• 29:02
  artist. When we went to go a few years
• 29:05
  ago to see Beyoncé in concert for a Renaissance tour, Like
• 29:08
  when I say motherfuckers was in there like blubbering, crying.
• 29:10
  And she was like, legit like scoping the crowd to see like,
• 29:14
  and like pointing people out and like, it's, it's, it's, it's
• 29:18
  strange because like obviously these artists, these celebrities
• 29:22
  are so again, out of reach and they're still like this need to
• 29:26
  want to engage with the people who care, are supposed to care
• 29:29
  about you the most and who support you the most, which is
• 29:32
  your fans. And I think if people would just
• 29:35
  take a second. I'm not saying you don't record
• 29:37
  the concert. I know there are some instances
• 29:39
  where people have a heart. I saw this girl talk about it on
• 29:42
  TikTok, one about how they have a hard time remembering things
• 29:47
  and so they record to remember. But Alan, I'm not taking that
• 29:50
  away from you, but maybe take a minute, take us a couple songs
• 29:54
  just to be engageful, especially if you're in those front rows.
• 29:57
  Because, yeah, I think they'll, I think it's going to get to the
• 30:00
  point where they're going to start calling people out for
• 30:02
  real, like on stage like. And I would not want to be one
• 30:05
  of those multitude of people getting called out by any
• 30:08
  member, but especially not nom. He already said he's going to be
• 30:11
  on to be honest, so good luck to y'all in the front.
• 30:15
  Yeah, and I even found myself, I'm trying to do a better job of
• 30:19
  not recording so much because if I'm going to be honest, like I
• 30:21
  really don't go back after a certain amount of time to watch
• 30:24
  those videos. So it's like, why am I really
• 30:25
  recording them? So I should be more in the
• 30:27
  moment. I know with J Hope, the second
• 30:29
  day we were a little bit closer, I didn't have my phone out at
• 30:33
  all. I may have took in some videos
• 30:34
  with names phone when I was with her and Gina, but I tried to
• 30:38
  focus more on the concert. Same thing with Jen.
• 30:41
  And even when I went to go see twice, I would.
• 30:44
  I like to record like the openings, some introductions and
• 30:47
  then maybe like talking to the audience a little bit.
• 30:48
  But like when it comes to them actually performing, I am trying
• 30:51
  to do better to just like be in the moment so.
• 30:54
  And when most people doing multiple concerts, like you
• 30:57
  could literally just like not record everything and record
• 31:00
  someone day and something like another part another day and
• 31:03
  like, and then these tickets are not fucking cheap.
• 31:05
  And you should experience this and not just want something as
• 31:09
  like a trophy or like a again, I again, not to take away from
• 31:13
  people who want those reminders, but yeah, I think, I think
• 31:16
  there's some merit to what they're saying that I think they
• 31:19
  want people to really engage with them in the way that it's
• 31:25
  meant to be engaged with. Like this is how we're supposed
• 31:28
  to connect with BTS. We're supposed to connect with
• 31:30
  BTS to their music. Can't do that if they all
• 31:33
  they're seeing is the back of your fucking you know Apple
• 31:35
  phone or Samsung or whatever they're that they're not seeing
• 31:38
  you they're not seeing your reactions.
• 31:40
  I think I remember who was it was it was it J Honey's concert
• 31:47
  No, never mind it was a different it was 17th concert we
• 31:50
  were talking about anyway talking about how like they were
• 31:54
  looking out to the crowd and seeing the reactions of people
• 31:57
  like they're paying attention. You might not think they can see
• 31:59
  you or might not think that, you know, they're paying attention.
• 32:02
  But yeah, if you're having a real reaction and stuff, I think
• 32:05
  that they remember things like that.
• 32:06
  Like they're human, they see it. And so we've spent a lot of time
• 32:11
  on body to body. No, but overall, like I said, I
• 32:15
  think that, you know, with that the lyrics and that I genuinely
• 32:18
  do feel for the people in the front row because I, I feel like
• 32:21
  Nam Jin's petty enough start pointing people out
• 32:23
  individually. So also just real quick with
• 32:26
  body to body and then we're going to move on.
• 32:28
  I saw someone on Twitter mentioned because there's one
• 32:31
  part where Yungi starts his part where he says BT from everywhere
• 32:35
  to Korea. And they had pointed out how he
• 32:38
  didn't say the S because like when you translate BTS, it is
• 32:42
  bulletproof Boy Scouts. So if you take away the S, which
• 32:45
  is Sony and Don, it takes away the boys.
• 32:48
  So it also kind of points out like it's still BTS, but, you
• 32:53
  know, removing the boys, these are now men and acknowledging
• 32:57
  that they reach everywhere outside from Korea.
• 32:59
  So they're bringing all the world together with their music.
• 33:04
  Also with J Hope, I think that whole I don't think this was the
• 33:08
  shot by any means, but like I always think something different
• 33:12
  than probably the intention at the end of his verse on body to
• 33:15
  body. He was talking about like be
• 33:18
  about it, be about to be about it.
• 33:19
  You can you say? You can see about it or read
• 33:22
  about it. I'm looking at it right now.
• 33:23
  Yeah, yeah. And it's like terrible
• 33:26
  remembering there. But I think that part is just
• 33:29
  like, again, kind of going into people who have something to say
• 33:34
  always about them and their music.
• 33:37
  Like, well, you can see about it.
• 33:38
  You can come see about it or you can read about it, but you're
• 33:40
  still going to be engaging in it one way or the other.
• 33:43
  Like you can either be a part of this or you can read about it
• 33:45
  in, you know, the vlogs or the the reviews or like, I think
• 33:50
  that was kind of not a again, not a shot, but kind of like,
• 33:53
  you know, you can either be a part of this thing or you can be
• 33:57
  you can hate from outside the club, you know, essentially like
• 34:01
  that was another lyric that I was thinking of sitting here,
• 34:02
  like just talking about the rap lines.
• 34:05
  Because again, with the the vocal unit, I think one of the
• 34:08
  before we move on, one of the more interesting things I found
• 34:11
  with the first half of this album is like, it's very
• 34:14
  centered, obviously around like rap line with part of the vocal
• 34:17
  unit, which for so many in so many ways is kind of how they
• 34:21
  started. They were a, for lack of better
• 34:24
  words, not a necessarily a rap focus group, but they were
• 34:27
  primarily a rap group with vocal backing or vocal support.
• 34:32
  And I think that kind of is like a nod to that in a way, just
• 34:35
  with how how forward the first half of this album is to the rap
• 34:41
  line and just to the hip hop space.
• 34:45
  So yeah. Yeah, I completely agree.
• 34:47
  So let's go on to song #2 which is one of my favorites
• 34:52
  personally. I got it from the first list and
• 34:54
  I know Shay over there rolling her eyes because there is one
• 34:57
  part she couldn't mess with at first.
• 35:00
  Hopefully grew on her. But it is Hooligan, which we
• 35:03
  actually did later on get a music video for.
• 35:07
  So it's produced by El Cuccino. You got?
• 35:15
  It I believe. Is a fake like fake Guido?
• 35:17
  Is that how you say it? I don't know.
• 35:19
  OK. And and Jasper Harris lyric
• 35:23
  credits by Pablo Diaz Reexa, who was actually El Guido's real
• 35:29
  name. I don't know if this is a typo
• 35:31
  or not. I don't know if it's Michael or
• 35:34
  Miguel. Mac Magnet Pablo Martinez,
• 35:38
  Albert and Marcus Mark Low Lomax.
• 35:43
  This is what I meant by apologize.
• 35:45
  You did it. OK, So referencing the studio
• 35:49
  notes again, J Hope actually gave John Cook pretty much all
• 35:53
  the credit for the song he remembers in LA.
• 35:56
  Like John Cook was so excited to, like, show him that he was
• 35:59
  working on this song. And then JK kind of stated,
• 36:03
  like, for some reason, the word like hooligan kept coming to his
• 36:05
  mind. And he didn't know that this
• 36:07
  would end up being like, the title of the song.
• 36:10
  And we also learned during the Spotify event in New York that
• 36:13
  it was John Cook who added in the laugh that rap line does in
• 36:16
  the song, which I love and I find incredibly sexy.
• 36:21
  I'm just going to say it, OK? They also really thanked El
• 36:26
  Pacino in this for helping put the song together.
• 36:30
  And I didn't know because Namju mentioned this, that he is like
• 36:34
  basically Rosalia's right hand man and talked about his style
• 36:38
  of music, which as you can tell, Lala's not here.
• 36:41
  And I know she stated there was one song she wanted to talk
• 36:46
  about. I don't know if it was this one,
• 36:48
  but I also know there's like some controversy with Rosalia
• 36:51
  with like the Hispanic community because she's like Spanish, but
• 36:56
  like I guess in the start of her musics, I'm not part of the
• 36:59
  Hispanic community. But I guess in their way, like
• 37:02
  think she was kind of in her own way, like cosplaying Hispanic
• 37:08
  music. So I don't know anything about
• 37:11
  that, but I just wanted to point that out.
• 37:12
  I wasn't sure. But then, yeah, I can't really
• 37:16
  explain the hooligan music video.
• 37:18
  I like it. They've done 3 music videos that
• 37:21
  we'll talk about. I'll just say it now, 2.0 swim
• 37:24
  and hooligan. I will be honest, 2.0 is my
• 37:27
  favorite for many reasons. We'll talk about when we get
• 37:29
  into the song, but I did enjoy the hooligan one.
• 37:32
  They just went very I do think they kind of went back to the
• 37:35
  roots in this. It was very like dark and then
• 37:37
  like, I don't know, mysterious. I love the woman with the
• 37:40
  swords. That was very cool and that and
• 37:42
  just like I guess Shay has said this one time or she got this
• 37:46
  from someone, it was just like if BTS had money back then, this
• 37:48
  type of music video they would make.
• 37:50
  So yeah. It's it's debut BTS, but this
• 37:53
  time with money, so yeah. Basically.
• 37:56
  Which there are there's a whole with the music video, there's a
• 37:59
  whole like thread, I think of people who have found
• 38:01
  similarities between hooligan and not today, just a lot of
• 38:05
  like shots that are very reminiscent of that music video,
• 38:09
  which again, like once again, going back to the roots, Those
• 38:12
  are early days, very hip hop forward.
• 38:14
  Makes a lot of sense. Just to touch on the my issue
• 38:18
  with the with the album had nothing to do with like, I mean,
• 38:22
  I will say this and I'll just point it out because I think it
• 38:24
  need it just deserves to be pointed out.
• 38:26
  Like I there has been a little bit of controversy with the term
• 38:29
  hooligan. It is a yes, for lack of better
• 38:33
  words. It is a derogatory word I
• 38:36
  believe is what I've I've seen some people say.
• 38:40
  I think with the Irish, I could be wrong on that.
• 38:44
  I might be wrong on that, but I think it's the Irish.
• 38:46
  I don't see a whole lot of people like talking in a way
• 38:50
  being offended by it. It's just more or less like, why
• 38:53
  would they? Why would they use this term if
• 38:56
  it is a specific, like if it if it is a supposed offensive term,
• 39:00
  which again, once again, like I said, the album's not above
• 39:03
  critique. I don't know what other word
• 39:06
  they could have supplemented that would have made sense.
• 39:08
  So it's one of those things that's just like, I get it, I
• 39:10
  understand, but there's nothing I don't know.
• 39:13
  There's I have no further comments on that.
• 39:16
  I will just say, like I say with everything, she found something
• 39:18
  offensive. That's a valid emotion.
• 39:21
  You're a valid and feeling that way.
• 39:23
  I personally, my personal experience has never, never come
• 39:27
  across anyone who's ever been offended by that.
• 39:29
  But again, I'm not ever. I can't do all places of them
• 39:31
  once. So we'll just leave that there.
• 39:33
  My issue with the song had nothing to do with anything
• 39:36
  offensive other than I'm very sensitive ears and like
• 39:41
  specifically to when like cutlery is being scraped against
• 39:47
  anything. So like forks scraped on like a
• 39:49
  glass or like a ceramic plate or people when they eat and they
• 39:54
  pull the fork or the spoon and they raise their teeth, I can
• 39:57
  hear it even if we're in a crowded room, hear it and it
• 40:00
  just. Like that first nice slice, I
• 40:03
  literally threw my headphones out of my ears and I just
• 40:05
  stopped because I couldn't go. I was like, there's no way
• 40:08
  that's going through the entire song.
• 40:10
  And it was better to the you know, as they as it was very
• 40:14
  loud, obviously in the beginning and the end, the ending.
• 40:16
  But throughout the album it had kind of the mixing definitely
• 40:20
  kind of leveled out. And then also the different I
• 40:23
  cannot listen to that song with earbuds.
• 40:25
  I have to listen to that song in a big speaker because it's just
• 40:29
  just OK enough for me not to like literally almost like
• 40:32
  convulse. But overall, like the song for
• 40:35
  me probably isn't in my it's not my top favorite of the I do say
• 40:40
  that I do literally look at this album in like the halfway on the
• 40:44
  front half, these are my favorites and on the back half,
• 40:47
  these are my favorite. So of the of the front half, I
• 40:50
  would say that this this rate is pretty low to me as a as a song.
• 40:55
  For me, it's not it wasn't my favorite.
• 40:57
  It's grown on me though, for sure.
• 41:00
  With the music video, much like you, I think that for me it goes
• 41:05
  2 point O cool again and Swim for music video.
• 41:10
  As far as as far as interest, like I think they're I think
• 41:13
  they're just to segue a little bit.
• 41:14
  I think that all the music videos are very interesting, but
• 41:18
  I think that they're interesting for different reasons.
• 41:20
  And I think as a completed music video and all the things that I
• 41:24
  like out of the music video, I think 2 point O hits all those
• 41:26
  marks for me. But I think that hooligan is a
• 41:28
  is a is a good track. I don't think it's a bad track.
• 41:30
  I just think it's the weakest of the first half of these songs.
• 41:35
  I was really I was wrong on this when I were talking about the
• 41:39
  production. I thought this was going to be
• 41:41
  more Latin based. I mean, that could also just be
• 41:43
  ignorance because it's it's definitely very laced with more
• 41:48
  Latin esque producers and writers and things like that.
• 41:53
  But I mean, you know, I was pleasantly surprised and, you
• 41:56
  know, wrong in that aspect, but. There is a line that Yungi says
• 42:01
  like L. Yeah, that's what's all I want
• 42:04
  to talk about, I think. OK, because I was seeing people
• 42:07
  online again, this goes into the whole not every like racer
• 42:12
  ethnicity is a model list. So I was seeing people
• 42:14
  especially like I think down in Mexico, I don't know how I ended
• 42:18
  up in their Twitter space being very happy about that shadow.
• 42:21
  But I'm sure like you stated, there were some people that did
• 42:24
  it. And that's why I said when I
• 42:26
  talked about that guy being Rosalia's right hand man, I
• 42:29
  figured this was the song she wanted to talk about.
• 42:32
  So I don't know what that means for me because I don't know who
• 42:36
  that is as far as the person this Elle or if this is a brand,
• 42:40
  is this a person, the El? Wincho, Wincho.
• 42:44
  Is, I say, El quecho? From what I'm looking at here,
• 42:48
  because I have the Wikipedia open too, this is professional
• 42:52
  is Pablo Diaz, professionally known as El Buencho, is a
• 42:56
  Spanish musician, singer and he's a record producer.
• 42:58
  So he seems to have his hands just in a bunch of different
• 43:02
  things. I don't know, not really sure
• 43:06
  what the what the issue is with that.
• 43:08
  So. Because the word I'm looking at
• 43:09
  is LCUCUY. That's an actual lyric.
• 43:13
  I think is a what and I'm probably, I'm not 100% correct,
• 43:18
  so please forgive me for anybody who's listening to this and feel
• 43:21
  free to comment and say that I'm a dumb ass.
• 43:23
  But from what I saw, it is a like a like a what's it called?
• 43:29
  Like a like almost like a boogeyman that parents used to
• 43:32
  use for their kids so they wouldn't get out of bed or
• 43:34
  something like that. Kind of OK, it's kind of a
• 43:37
  reminisce to that and I, but I think also Yungi has said that
• 43:41
  it's also a boxer. Like it's a nickname for a
• 43:44
  boxer, which we found. I don't know anymore because
• 43:46
  apparently this man's stage name is based off boxing now.
• 43:49
  Oh my God, I've heard. Three different stories, so I
• 43:52
  don't know anymore. Yungi, just listen, men lie, OK?
• 43:56
  Just just more of the. Story All men do is lie.
• 43:59
  All men do is lie. And whether or not that's true,
• 44:02
  it's neither here nor there. I'm just going to be like, OK,
• 44:04
  Yungi, whatever. Yeah, OK, what's the whatever
• 44:07
  you say? Yeah, sure.
• 44:09
  I mean, we all have a grandparent had a grandparent
• 44:11
  that used to lie about everything.
• 44:13
  So I feel like that's he's grandpa, he's no lie.
• 44:16
  So yeah, I mean, and listen, I am by by any means.
• 44:21
  I'm not by like and I, you know, I do, you know, get well, La La.
• 44:25
  I know you're under the weather. I would love, love to hear, you
• 44:28
  know, her viewpoint on it. But like for me, I just feel
• 44:32
  like I am not connected to whatever the controversy is
• 44:36
  behind these people. So I can't really speak on it.
• 44:39
  Unfortunately, the only, and again, the only controversy I've
• 44:42
  seen is more or less of the title of the of the song and
• 44:45
  that being kind of a quote, UN quote derogatory term.
• 44:48
  And then the El Cuqui, I probably fucked that up.
• 44:53
  But again, it's been kind of split down the middle of people
• 44:56
  being like, Oh my God, how does he know about that?
• 44:57
  It versus it being used in a derogatory way.
• 45:01
  And then of course there's the whole possibly as a nickname of
• 45:04
  a boxer he enjoys so, but I think just the line itself, what
• 45:09
  is it? What is it translated to in
• 45:11
  English? Do you have it?
• 45:11
  Hang on, let me pull it back up. So it's like, how do you
• 45:14
  pronounce that word El cuchi? I don't want to say I feel like
• 45:18
  I'm saying cuchi. So that's why I'm like please
• 45:20
  help me. Yeah, that, yeah.
• 45:24
  OK, so like this, this thing, it goes without saying.
• 45:29
  And then it goes into hooligan. Like hooligan, smash up like
• 45:33
  hooligan. What's the line between that?
• 45:35
  Get out of the way out. And then I was going to, I mean,
• 45:38
  I can bring you up now. He says all clear a song MU,
• 45:42
  which apparently means nothing abnormal.
• 45:44
  But it's also like in Korean, typically something that's used
• 45:48
  in like a military setting. So I guess it often serves as
• 45:50
  the concluding remark of a verbal report.
• 45:53
  So it's kind of like Yugi's way of like signaling his verse and
• 45:58
  then like to when we saw because like he did this in the Netflix
• 46:02
  stage 2, where like when he gets to, I think after the hooligan,
• 46:07
  like hooligan, he's kind of like talking to one of the dancers,
• 46:10
  remember, when he's like rapping at them.
• 46:12
  So yeah. Just for him not to look at them
• 46:15
  during the video, but it's OK. Listen, that man is working on
• 46:19
  his icons. I actually is he working on a
• 46:22
  man has trouble with eye contact.
• 46:24
  OK, just let him be. I mean, just fine.
• 46:26
  I understand me too. Yeah, but yeah, I like I said, I
• 46:30
  have no real, I have no real like dislike of the song.
• 46:33
  I just add up the songs that we have on the first half.
• 46:36
  It's wouldn't it wouldn't be the one that I would be like, Oh
• 46:40
  yeah, this one bangs slap. You know, like that's not
• 46:43
  personally my it's not my favorite, but it's but that does
• 46:46
  not mean it's not a good track. I do think it's a very well
• 46:49
  produced track. I think you know the it's gone
• 46:53
  very viral there for many reasons.
• 46:54
  I mean the between Jen and J KS dance and.
• 46:57
  Yes, I love that part so much. Yeah, people walking around
• 47:01
  doing it that's and it's so funny that you know, like you
• 47:03
  just never know what's going to go viral of what part just never
• 47:06
  know like it. And it's it would be something
• 47:08
  simple like digging and walking in a certain way that that's
• 47:12
  what has become the viral part. But I do think this one had the
• 47:16
  most of the releases of the released ones, it did have the
• 47:20
  more like viral capabilities. So like I said, overall.
• 47:24
  And also oh. I was.
• 47:29
  Going to say do you also want to talk about because I don't know
• 47:31
  if this was a problem or not but I was seeing people talk about
• 47:35
  the drop it lower than chopped and screwed if you want.
• 47:37
  To touch. Base on that too.
• 47:40
  I mean here, listen, I was actually kind of like, damn,
• 47:42
  y'all had a missed opportunity. I could have actually done some
• 47:45
  chopped and screwed music in here, like chopped it down and
• 47:48
  like, so again, it's one of those things that's like for
• 47:52
  those who know, we were like for those, OK, because I'm I come
• 47:56
  from the South and not from Texas, but I'm very close to
• 47:59
  Texas and a lot of my upbringing was chopped and screwed music
• 48:04
  Swish a house and you know, like Bun B Pimp C, like all of all of
• 48:09
  that, like Houston, TX, very reminiscent of of my youth,
• 48:15
  right. And so for me, hearing BTS
• 48:18
  saying chop this real life, first of all, who taught you
• 48:19
  that? And second of all, like it was
• 48:22
  like a nod to like this particular type of music.
• 48:27
  And I get why people feel like it felt kind of I don't know
• 48:31
  what the word would be that just like like it felt kind of maybe
• 48:35
  unnecessary, but like it were because says, why does bassline
• 48:40
  slapping so rude? I mean, sometimes when I'm in
• 48:43
  the car and I got a nice system and a bit like I'd be in the
• 48:46
  truck right now, listen to shit in the base, I'd be like you
• 48:48
  make a stank face. That's rude.
• 48:50
  You know, it make it makes sense.
• 48:52
  It may not be the most, you know, correct vernacular to say
• 48:55
  it in that way, but again, it's it's playing upon the next part,
• 48:59
  which is dropped it lower, Drop it lower than chop and screwed.
• 49:03
  Technically when you're chopping and screwing music, you aren't
• 49:05
  lowering or dropping the key most of the time.
• 49:10
  So it starts off in a certain key.
• 49:12
  And with shopping screwed music it will drop down to a lower
• 49:15
  register to get that distorted sound.
• 49:18
  So it makes fucking sense. Like I I don't.
• 49:21
  And again, if you don't know something, it's OK not to know
• 49:24
  something. Which I didn't.
• 49:25
  Yeah, but to write it off is like, it doesn't make sense.
• 49:28
  Do you listen to this music? Do you know anything about it?
• 49:31
  And I'm not trying to sound like I'm just high and mighty, but
• 49:33
  again, I am. This is my this is what I was,
• 49:36
  you know, this is what the shit that I listened to growing up.
• 49:39
  So these things make sense. I don't think that it was.
• 49:42
  And again, we know who's literally in these credits
• 49:45
  they've got. I think Jasper Harris is one of
• 49:49
  the guys. Yeah, I was going to stay before
• 49:52
  we had moved on. I I realized I didn't write down
• 49:55
  all the people who were credited in the writing lyrics.
• 49:58
  So let me do that now, because after Marcus Lomax, there was
• 50:02
  also explicit John Cook, the Lacy Jasper Harris, who was also
• 50:07
  in the producer credits RMJ, Hope Sugar, Derek Milano, P Dog
• 50:13
  and Kirsten Alyssa Spencer. So I forgot to mention that
• 50:17
  earlier and I want to make sure I mentioned them before we moved
• 50:20
  on. Yeah, Jasper Lee Harris has
• 50:21
  worked with Baby Kimi, Kendrick Lamar on Family Tie Delacy has
• 50:29
  She's a songwriter, so she's worked with a few notable
• 50:33
  people. I'm just kind of looking through
• 50:35
  them right now just to kind of give an idea.
• 50:37
  Yeah. I mean, and like I said, you
• 50:39
  know how much, you know how much like people like, oh, this is
• 50:42
  not offense them. You know how many rappers right
• 50:44
  now who exist in the rap spaces rap about shit they've never
• 50:48
  done? Like like the amount of rappers
• 50:50
  that talk about things that they've never drink and lean
• 50:52
  that they've never drank, don't even know how to mix it.
• 50:54
  Like, I mean, it's not uncommon for hip hop, especially these
• 50:58
  new age rappers and some old ones and who have never done
• 51:01
  half the shit they said or experienced half the shit they
• 51:04
  talk about. If it rhymes and it works, it
• 51:06
  works. And not to say, once again, not
• 51:08
  trying to belittle like the AAD conversation or, or the AAD
• 51:12
  conversation or anything like that or using certain
• 51:15
  vernaculars in in a certain way and and making sense.
• 51:17
  I think sometimes my opinion that we get hung up on it
• 51:23
  because it's easy. It's a very easy, it's an easy
• 51:26
  shot. It's low hanging fruit.
• 51:27
  But personally for me, I didn't see a problem with it.
• 51:30
  I was actually kind of disappointed in the fact that no
• 51:33
  one chopped and screwed anything.
• 51:34
  Like if you're going to say it, then do it like, so I'm actually
• 51:37
  looking for a good chopped and screwed version.
• 51:39
  I think it would be interesting for like a DJ to mix that in and
• 51:42
  like actually do that, you know, I think it would be cool.
• 51:45
  Hopefully maybe somebody will be on that on, you know, YouTube
• 51:48
  eventually. So that was pretty much hooligan
• 51:52
  and again, you know, just talking about they're coming
• 51:55
  back, acting like fools on this beat, like hooligans.
• 51:59
  And then you also got like Nam June making clear statements
• 52:03
  like where is it? Oh, like they're the mess.
• 52:07
  Get a bigger mop here, but also like this is that K got to get a
• 52:10
  better pop here, which surprise no one really talks about as
• 52:14
  much. I feel like that's a very, you
• 52:16
  know, powerful line, especially relating to them as being like K
• 52:21
  pop artists. But then like again, the way
• 52:24
  even fans to talk about like how they're bigger than the K pop
• 52:27
  genre. So kind of see that reflected in
• 52:30
  that one line. Yeah, I mean, there's nothing in
• 52:34
  my opinion. I feel like people, I feel like
• 52:36
  people feel like speaking upon your accolade that you've
• 52:41
  earned, whether you feel like they've earned them in the right
• 52:43
  way or not is irrelevant. But speaking about yourself in a
• 52:47
  way that is boastful feels arrogant.
• 52:51
  I don't know. I just feel like not even trying
• 52:52
  to like give a pass or like I do think that hip hop as a genre is
• 52:57
  very competitive. It used to be a lot of it is.
• 53:01
  I mean the whole like reason the like Kendrick Lamar and
• 53:05
  Drakeship was so jarring for a lot of people that witnessed
• 53:10
  that in real time is in the beginning of all that Kendrick
• 53:13
  is essentially saying there can only be 1 great of this of our
• 53:17
  generation, you know what I mean?
• 53:19
  And it's me so literally just saying, hey, y'all not seeing
• 53:23
  me, you know, y'all not seeing me in this rap thing for real.
• 53:26
  Like I'm the best period, point blank and just say that, you
• 53:29
  know what I mean? And where you have like J.
• 53:32
  Cole for instance, who was like love J.
• 53:34
  Cole, shout him out, you know, was like there's room for
• 53:37
  everybody. And in a way there is, but
• 53:39
  there's always going to be somebody who is considered the
• 53:42
  great of that generation. Now people argue all day long in
• 53:46
  the past about is it Tupac, Is it Biggie?
• 53:48
  It's an East Coast, West Coast thing.
• 53:50
  And the reason I think why rap is so rap and hip hop in general
• 53:55
  is such a partially competitive genre is because of the
• 54:02
  inclusion of being able to take those shots.
• 54:05
  You know, being able to like say that you are the best at this or
• 54:09
  that the person that you're talking about or the disc that
• 54:11
  you're sending is it's going to hit in the way it does.
• 54:15
  And so people think that, you know, if RM I'm not saying
• 54:18
  anybody said this, but I think the sentiment around why people
• 54:21
  maybe not talking about it is because there's a bit of
• 54:23
  arrogance that comes with basically saying what he said as
• 54:26
  far as like we decay, you will need to need a better pot.
• 54:29
  Like not for nothing, but a lot of K pop was not that great in
• 54:33
  their absence. And I'm not even like I'm again,
• 54:35
  I love certain groups. I think certain groups did very
• 54:38
  well, but I think K pop as a whole was on a decline when it
• 54:43
  comes to the sound and the experimentation.
• 54:45
  And I'm not going to sit here and act like BTS wasn't a part
• 54:48
  of that because I do think it's a part of that.
• 54:50
  I think there are certain groups that move the needle and there's
• 54:54
  certain, and that's that's that way in the West too.
• 54:56
  There are artists that move needles.
• 54:58
  Look at Beyoncé, nobody was really not even trying to like
• 55:01
  give her the full credit, but like Beyoncé dropped Cowboy
• 55:04
  Carter and we started seeing a lot of people being interested
• 55:07
  in making country music all of a sudden, you know what I mean?
• 55:10
  There are some artists that just move the needle and that's OK.
• 55:12
  That doesn't make, I mean, in my mind, it doesn't make them a
• 55:14
  great, but there are just some people that push the needle in
• 55:17
  the direction that where music needs to go.
• 55:19
  And BTS for K Pop I believe is one of those groups that does
• 55:23
  that. So he's just speaking what he
• 55:26
  feels and what he's experienced especially.
• 55:29
  And even if you don't look at it from the whole K Pop book, just
• 55:31
  look at it from a hive standpoint, I would not be
• 55:34
  shocked if in the next quarter or so we're seeing some
• 55:39
  similarities, maybe not verbatim, but some similarities
• 55:42
  to what we're what we've seen on Audi Dong in other work.
• 55:48
  So yeah, that's who we can. Yes, so on to the next song,
• 55:54
  which listen, I keep saying this, the first half before the
• 55:58
  bell is my absolute favorite. I'm just going to be honest.
• 56:01
  So like how there's a point, you know, a side A and a side B, I'm
• 56:04
  more of a side A. So I'm going to say a majority
• 56:07
  of of the first half, except for one song, But I I like it now
• 56:11
  and it's grown on me is my jam. And you know, I still like the
• 56:15
  second-half though. Like she had mentioned earlier,
• 56:17
  I listened to this fully. Like I don't skip a song or
• 56:20
  anything, even if it's like lower on my personal ranking,
• 56:23
  which says a lot because I'm actually not an animal person.
• 56:26
  I usually am just a singles girl.
• 56:28
  So, but yes, we're going to move on to the next track, Aliens.
• 56:34
  So this one was produced by Mike Will Made it, which is a very
• 56:39
  well known name in the hip hop community.
• 56:43
  Is it plus Loose plus? Loose.
• 56:46
  Probably. Loose OK Doughnut and Khaled
• 56:52
  Roham, with writing credits by Michael Land Williams.
• 56:56
  The second, which I found out is actually Michael Made's real
• 56:59
  name. RM Ashton Terrence O'Neill.
• 57:05
  Did I forget commas in these or is that one person?
• 57:08
  Oh no, that's one person. So yes, Ashton, Terrance, O'Neil
• 57:12
  Hogan, Brandon, Kenneth. Yeah, Brandon Kenneth Bell, who
• 57:17
  is also Donut, that's his Yeah. Oh, OK, see, that makes sense.
• 57:21
  Like, like who's this person? But yes.
• 57:23
  Brandon Kenneth Bell, Khalid Roham, Charles Henshaw, Jean
• 57:30
  Marcel Day Junior, James Essen, J Hope, John Cook, Sugar, John
• 57:37
  Mitchell, Derek Milano and P Dog.
• 57:40
  Yeah. And I mean, I know this song.
• 57:45
  It basically speaks for itself. It's this is the one where I
• 57:48
  also talked about in the first part where BTS actually does
• 57:51
  talk about not really their struggle, but just like kind of
• 57:54
  mentions being Korean and like other and the music industry,
• 58:00
  especially the music industry in the West.
• 58:02
  Literally aliens is a word that is used in the USI don't know
• 58:06
  about any other country, but like we refer to like
• 58:09
  foreigners, usually in a derogatory way as illegal
• 58:12
  aliens. So that's also it too.
• 58:16
  And apparently this song was almost titled Endless that I
• 58:19
  learned in the studio notes when the song didn't really have a
• 58:23
  structure at first, but because that's what they kept calling
• 58:26
  it, which I find it interesting. For the whole Jimmy Fallon
• 58:29
  incident, Yugi had mentioned that since so many Korean media
• 58:34
  had gone international when they're in the military like
• 58:38
  Squid Games 3 and Shay's favorite movie K Pop Demon
• 58:42
  Hunters, no one really acts if they're from North or South
• 58:47
  Korea anymore. And Nam Jun even mentioned that
• 58:50
  people who still do that now are looked at as weird side eye.
• 58:56
  And then they started talking about all the years when they
• 58:59
  had to promote in America and like how Naam June was the only
• 59:02
  one that could speak English. So they stayed there, trying
• 59:05
  very hard to study to help them, which you can see a little bit
• 59:09
  more in these recent interviews, but yeah.
• 59:12
  Yeah. Because Yungi is a fully
• 59:14
  functional English speaking person.
• 59:16
  He's just. As we keep stating, he's very
• 59:19
  he's quietly, secretly fluent in English.
• 59:22
  He just don't want to be the one talking.
• 59:24
  Very much so. I I, I, I I see you though, Sir.
• 59:28
  Yeah, Aliens is is probably no shock to anybody.
• 59:31
  My favorite of the top half. Very much a Michael made it
• 59:36
  early. I feel like now he also produced
• 59:39
  the another track on this record.
• 59:42
  Aliens is legit the swaggiest fucking song I think that
• 59:47
  they've done in a long time. I mean, I listen to this shit.
• 59:50
  I, I, I think I was stuck here for a minute on like my 5th or
• 59:54
  6th listen. I got stuck on aliens for like a
• 59:58
  good hour. And so I'm one of those like I'm
• 1:00:00
  the autistic type that just listen, let's shit repeat over
• 1:00:03
  and over and never get tired of it.
• 1:00:04
  I'm one of them aliens. I think outside of just the
• 1:00:08
  lyricism, I think is probably one of the, again, I.
• 1:00:13
  Just a little bit of a side note here.
• 1:00:14
  People got upset throughout this entire project because of so
• 1:00:17
  many quote UN quote hands in the pot when it comes to like
• 1:00:21
  producers and stuff. I would argue that if they're if
• 1:00:24
  this album wasn't good, if it wasn't produced well, then I
• 1:00:28
  feel like BTS got scammed. So you have people like Michael
• 1:00:32
  made it like Diplo, like Ryan Tedder, like JPEG mafia.
• 1:00:36
  You have that's a Diplo, right? I think that's a Diplo, but
• 1:00:39
  Diplo and you have the man that worked.
• 1:00:41
  I can't think of his name right now before talk about later, the
• 1:00:43
  man that worked on Bad Bunny's album.
• 1:00:45
  You have all these people who are very notably involved in the
• 1:00:49
  music industry. If if this wasn't done well, I
• 1:00:53
  think that would be even greater cause for more upset because it
• 1:00:57
  feels like they got jib. But overall, I think that I've
• 1:01:01
  said this before that this album as a whole is probably one of
• 1:01:03
  the better produced albums that they have.
• 1:01:05
  And I know that comes off very like, Oh my God, how could you
• 1:01:08
  think that? And you know, BTS is produced,
• 1:01:11
  yes, and I'm not I'm not saying that that takes away from it,
• 1:01:14
  but I would be side eyeing this if it wasn't one of their more
• 1:01:18
  better produced on because of all the hands in the pie and
• 1:01:21
  because of the names that are connected to this might well
• 1:01:23
  made. It is very much a very popular.
• 1:01:26
  I mean, his tag alone will let you know that it's either time
• 1:01:30
  to twerk like it's some of those masks or time to get lit in
• 1:01:34
  general. And I think he delivered very
• 1:01:37
  well on this song. It is my it is my favorite.
• 1:01:40
  I am biased. Whatever, you know, he's done,
• 1:01:44
  he's worked on like big, big hits.
• 1:01:47
  I mean, one of his bigger hits is obviously like Black Beatles
• 1:01:49
  by Ray Stroman. I always say that wrong.
• 1:01:51
  I'm pretty sure I said it wrong then, too.
• 1:01:53
  But that obviously had its own, you know, cult following.
• 1:01:57
  Hey. Don't also forget the one he did
• 1:01:59
  with Wiz Khalifa and Miley Cyrus that was part of my generation.
• 1:02:03
  Of course, cannot forget 23. He's also done.
• 1:02:09
  High off per my shades on. Yeah, OK.
• 1:02:12
  Miley was trying to be a rapper. Yeah, you know, that was the,
• 1:02:14
  you know, that was Bangers Miley.
• 1:02:16
  We've not seen Bangers Miley in a while.
• 1:02:18
  No, also done. You know what I mean?
• 1:02:21
  I'm A2 Chainz girlie, so he's working 2 Chainz a whole lot
• 1:02:25
  fans and Mega Dance by Juicy J pulled up by Rihanna and again
• 1:02:30
  he was on the bangers album We Can't Stop by Miley Cyrus,
• 1:02:32
  formation by Beyoncé. I mean his humble by Kendrick
• 1:02:35
  list goes on. Man is very decorated.
• 1:02:37
  So him being a part of this project really did something to
• 1:02:40
  my spirit because I once again, there's a couple of producers
• 1:02:45
  that I know them by their tag and I know what they bring to a
• 1:02:48
  project. And he is like, very, I mean, I
• 1:02:51
  think it's deserving of all of the flowers and accolades on his
• 1:02:55
  production here. I think it's one of the better
• 1:02:57
  sounding and the better engineered songs as far as the
• 1:03:02
  structure of the where everything's placed as far as
• 1:03:06
  like who's doing what part. And it just feels very much
• 1:03:10
  like, it doesn't feel like a diss track because I don't think
• 1:03:13
  it is much of A diss track, but it kind of just is like a
• 1:03:16
  popular shit track. And yeah, I, I think on the
• 1:03:20
  production side, it was very nice to get that tag that like
• 1:03:25
  Will made it tag and like that was, I was like it.
• 1:03:28
  It felt like I was powering the fuck up when I first heard it
• 1:03:31
  the first time. So very endless.
• 1:03:33
  And then obviously this, this song bangs in every aspect.
• 1:03:36
  What no matter what, what medium you listen to it in.
• 1:03:40
  So very well produced, very well crafted, very much an ode, I
• 1:03:45
  think, to some of his earlier work.
• 1:03:47
  He knows how to make a viral hit.
• 1:03:49
  But yeah, I'm glad that they were able to do these collabs
• 1:03:52
  with him. Yeah.
• 1:03:54
  And as far as the lyrics go, I don't know if you have anything
• 1:03:56
  written down. Yeah, I have a few.
• 1:03:59
  So like in J hopes part God, it's too late for me to try to
• 1:04:02
  talk to Korea, but I guess I will.
• 1:04:05
  So he says Baksu Cho Hondurao Jung Modi, which means clap your
• 1:04:10
  hands and shake your body to the Jung Modi rhythm.
• 1:04:14
  And Jung Modi is actually like a type of I guess it's Chong Dong,
• 1:04:19
  which is Korean traditional rhythm.
• 1:04:20
  I've came across a TikTok of a guy like explaining it more.
• 1:04:24
  If I can find it, I'm a link in the description because I
• 1:04:26
  thought it was really interesting.
• 1:04:27
  Like he went through the actual beats that's in a Jung Modi.
• 1:04:32
  And like talks about like how they're kind of like kind of
• 1:04:34
  like how BTS talks about especially towards the end, he
• 1:04:37
  says the rhythm is kind of the same as a Jung Modi.
• 1:04:41
  Like I guess the production of the song, it's slightly off, but
• 1:04:44
  it's kind of the same at the same time.
• 1:04:46
  And it goes to like the beats of like when someone's walking or
• 1:04:49
  stepping. I'm not sure if he was using
• 1:04:51
  like royalty sense maybe. I can't remember if he mentioned
• 1:04:54
  that or not. So I thought that was very
• 1:04:57
  interesting. But even in Jacob's verse along
• 1:05:00
  because it's called like aliens, he asks the questions like, Oh
• 1:05:03
  my God, do I look too funny, like strange and different.
• 1:05:07
  But like also, what are you going to do about it?
• 1:05:09
  I know when we get to the chorus, like think John Cook
• 1:05:12
  starts it off where he says from the Ghana to the Hob, which it's
• 1:05:16
  like a Korean version from A-Z and their alphabet.
• 1:05:21
  And then it goes like, watch us and learn.
• 1:05:24
  Yeah, we're aliens. If you want to hit my house Shin
• 1:05:26
  bottom boso listen guys, I haven't practiced my career in a
• 1:05:32
  while. I apologize, but that basically
• 1:05:34
  means take off your shoes, which as we know, especially at Asian
• 1:05:38
  cultures like you do not wear your shoes in the house.
• 1:05:41
  And even in like Asian households, lovely snow and like
• 1:05:43
  action Asian countries, they have like when you first walk
• 1:05:47
  into the house, that whole like little sections where you're
• 1:05:50
  supposed to take off your shoes before you actually walk in
• 1:05:53
  there. So it's like, if you want us to
• 1:05:55
  play your games, you can also play our games as well.
• 1:06:01
  I know we talked about when Nam Jun and Yugi had mentioned no
• 1:06:05
  one asks them anymore the difference between like South
• 1:06:08
  and North Korea. Because there's a line where he
• 1:06:10
  said, let me honey, talk about the business.
• 1:06:13
  Everybody now know where the K is.
• 1:06:15
  So like knowing where K pop comes from, where you don't have
• 1:06:18
  to ask them that question. I'm just going to do all this at
• 1:06:22
  once. There's also a part where he
• 1:06:25
  says, pardon Kim Ku song sing name.
• 1:06:28
  Tell me how you feel, which is Mr. Kim Ku who's actually AI
• 1:06:35
  found a TikTok. There's this guy I follow and I
• 1:06:36
  linked two of his videos because he talked about the bell to
• 1:06:39
  which I'll talk about when we get there.
• 1:06:41
  His name is Junu park. He's Korean Canadian, but he
• 1:06:44
  gets a lot of really great Korean facts and he talked about
• 1:06:48
  how Kim Ku was a Korean independence activists and
• 1:06:51
  statements and they saw gene news parks TikTok.
• 1:06:56
  He's talked about how Mr. Kim was a very prominent leader of
• 1:07:01
  the Korean independence movement who later became a political
• 1:07:05
  like a politician in the new liberated Korea from Japan until
• 1:07:09
  he was unfortunately assassinated in 1949.
• 1:07:13
  But he stated how Kim Ku's wish was for Korea to not be an
• 1:07:18
  economic or military superpower, but to be a cultural superpower,
• 1:07:22
  which is very interesting. Yeah, I think just going back
• 1:07:25
  through some of it, JK. And the if you want to hit my
• 1:07:30
  house, like take your shoes off 1st.
• 1:07:31
  It's like almost, you know, people, it's not, it's not
• 1:07:34
  similar, but it's kind of reminded me of like, you know,
• 1:07:38
  it's a bad, it's a bad metaphor or like similarity.
• 1:07:41
  But it's like that whole like sentiment of like where you fuck
• 1:07:46
  me, could you take me to dinner first?
• 1:07:47
  Like it's kind of giving me that in my mind, like, you know, and
• 1:07:51
  I like if you're going to like talk shit, at least take your
• 1:07:54
  shoes off. You know what I mean?
• 1:07:55
  Like if you're going to hit my house, if you're going to hit me
• 1:07:57
  or like, because again, house safe space is a place,
• 1:07:59
  especially jki think that he goes and and is able to like be
• 1:08:03
  his most authentic self. If you're going to hit hit my
• 1:08:05
  house, take your shoes off first.
• 1:08:07
  Like like that's really a clever in my I mean, is it like the
• 1:08:10
  most clever? No way.
• 1:08:11
  I think it's a very clever and very unique to I think him as
• 1:08:14
  well. Yeah, I think when it comes to I
• 1:08:17
  mean, like, again, we go back into the conversation of people
• 1:08:20
  had something to say about the lyricism and like they'd be in
• 1:08:24
  the old BTSI feel like, yeah, they're they're essentially
• 1:08:27
  still popping they shit as they should, making the references,
• 1:08:32
  making the the callbacks to, you know, again, figures in their
• 1:08:36
  culture. And I think it's this is one of
• 1:08:38
  those songs where people had a problem with it and the and and
• 1:08:43
  the song was literally calling these people out of the thing
• 1:08:46
  that they had a problem about. It's just like like y'all don't
• 1:08:48
  really listen at all. It seems like you know, but
• 1:08:52
  can't expect that can't expect that from some people.
• 1:08:55
  But overall, I think again, this song well, very well done.
• 1:09:00
  It is a favorite of mine and it's I think it is one of those
• 1:09:05
  that when it when it does, because I know it's I know it's
• 1:09:07
  going to be on the set list. I will definitely be losing my
• 1:09:11
  fucking mind if I'm not going to remember much of it.
• 1:09:13
  Be honest. Yeah, we're all.
• 1:09:16
  I'm going to try not to lose my voice when I hear this live at
• 1:09:19
  the ending of the yeah, we land on it and stand on it.
• 1:09:22
  I'm going to go absolutely insane.
• 1:09:24
  I'm. I'm going to be screaming like
• 1:09:26
  I'm on that stage, OK? I'm just warning people now and
• 1:09:29
  I. Mean it that's even calling back
• 1:09:31
  to that, like you know, yeah, we land on it and stand on it, put
• 1:09:35
  the stamp on it. Like I mean they're standing on
• 1:09:37
  bit. It's like we're standing on
• 1:09:38
  business. Like, I think it's more or less
• 1:09:42
  kind of, I don't think I say this kind of, I guess naively, I
• 1:09:46
  think there'll always be this like stigma's not the right
• 1:09:50
  word, but it is for now. There's going to always be this
• 1:09:53
  thing that follows BTS when it comes to crossing into this
• 1:09:56
  market where it's like you're always going to be seen as
• 1:09:59
  other, unfortunately, because of where you're from.
• 1:10:01
  And I think that with a song like this and with the context
• 1:10:05
  in this song, it's like they don't really give a shit.
• 1:10:07
  Like they don't really care. They don't care like they're
• 1:10:10
  they're they're confident who they are as artists, but also as
• 1:10:13
  men and men. And they're standing on that.
• 1:10:16
  And I yeah, I think, I think that is not, we didn't really,
• 1:10:20
  we got some, we got a little bit of distracted kind of men.
• 1:10:22
  I think this is one of them. But it isn't like a direct.
• 1:10:25
  It's just like basically, again, I think they're constantly in a
• 1:10:28
  perpetual state of talking to the naysayers.
• 1:10:32
  And I'm not just talking about people that just like, like hate
• 1:10:35
  them just because of where they are in their career, but people
• 1:10:39
  just who always seem to have something to say.
• 1:10:41
  I mean, we talk a lot about, we've talked a lot about like,
• 1:10:43
  you know, with Namjoos specifically of like there was
• 1:10:46
  this time where it felt like he was always online apologizing
• 1:10:49
  for something, or at least alluding to like seeing the
• 1:10:52
  discourse and stuff around things that he's either done,
• 1:10:54
  whether he did them on purpose or not.
• 1:10:57
  And I think in this era of their of their lives and of their
• 1:11:00
  career, like, I don't think they're going to be apologizing
• 1:11:03
  for much, which again, can be a little problematic, but more or
• 1:11:06
  less when it comes to their identity, not necessarily like
• 1:11:09
  things that they, you know, put themselves in line with, but
• 1:11:12
  their identity. I think they're solid.
• 1:11:14
  And then in this whole conversation around them chasing
• 1:11:16
  quote, UN quote, like Western validity, there's nothing wrong
• 1:11:19
  with wanting the accolades. There's nothing wrong with
• 1:11:21
  winning the Grammy. There's nothing wrong with any
• 1:11:22
  of that. That's part of the whole package
• 1:11:25
  of being an artist. But I don't think that I don't
• 1:11:27
  think they've lost their identity at all.
• 1:11:30
  I think they know exactly who they are.
• 1:11:32
  They know they're different. They know they're technically,
• 1:11:34
  quote UN quote aliens when they come over here.
• 1:11:36
  And it also is like a not just even in a way of just like being
• 1:11:39
  a foreigner, but also just being different, like being like, you
• 1:11:42
  know, you're not familiar. You're not a familiar entity.
• 1:11:46
  What you've done in your career has been, can be seen kind of as
• 1:11:49
  like otherworldly or like alien, not normal is not the norm.
• 1:11:53
  So there's a lot of double meetings and a lot of these
• 1:11:56
  songs the more you sit with it. Yeah, kind of say about that
• 1:12:00
  one. That's true.
• 1:12:02
  But yes. So let's go ahead and move on to
• 1:12:05
  our next song, which is titled Fire.
• 1:12:09
  I know a lot of us thought it was an acronym for something,
• 1:12:12
  but no, it's actually it is fire for like fire.
• 1:12:17
  I will be honest, even though the top half is my preferred,
• 1:12:21
  this one is on the lower side for me.
• 1:12:24
  I still very much enjoyed it, but this isn't usually the type
• 1:12:28
  of song I normally listen to or I do and I get into it for a
• 1:12:31
  while and then I kind of fall off it.
• 1:12:33
  But I mean, I still enjoy it. So we have the producers that
• 1:12:38
  are credited for it. Diplo, is it flume?
• 1:12:41
  And I hear someone say it's pronounced it's Flume.
• 1:12:45
  OK, Never mind. Flume and Knitty and written by
• 1:12:49
  Harley Strenton, Gregory Alde pine JPEG mafia, Thomas Wesley
• 1:13:01
  pence, Curtis Wells, RM, John cook, Richard cook mirrors the
• 1:13:07
  4th and sugar and in the studio knowns.
• 1:13:11
  You had actually mentioned this is the last minute addition to
• 1:13:13
  the album and how he and I think and he said he and Hobie had to
• 1:13:18
  basically fight for this to be added on.
• 1:13:21
  And then Namjoon actually stated he was the one to reach out and
• 1:13:24
  invite JPEG to work on the album and how when he went to work
• 1:13:30
  with him and Flume, I guess Lee Flume and JPEG have this way of
• 1:13:36
  talking. Namjoon mentioned where like
• 1:13:37
  they kept saying around him like that's fire or like that's fire,
• 1:13:41
  bro, or like when they were working on songs.
• 1:13:43
  So like that actually kind of inspired the song because they
• 1:13:47
  kept saying to each other that's fire.
• 1:13:51
  So yeah. And you can see that too,
• 1:13:52
  because in the lyrics there's like everything lit is fired,
• 1:13:55
  everything big is fire. So I I guess he got that
• 1:13:57
  inspiration from hearing them talk.
• 1:13:58
  Probably so. I mean, JPEG Mafia I think is
• 1:14:03
  from New York. Yeah, he's from Brooklyn.
• 1:14:07
  And so, you know, I think again, going back to like different
• 1:14:12
  dialects and stuff, I don't think I've ever heard and I
• 1:14:15
  don't think he's lived in New York this whole time.
• 1:14:17
  So it's very possible that he. I know he's from Baltimore.
• 1:14:20
  Oh, OK. Well, that makes even more
• 1:14:22
  sense. Yeah, that's.
• 1:14:23
  Yeah. Never mind.
• 1:14:25
  He. You changed your whole thought.
• 1:14:27
  I didn't. Realize he was in Baltimore,
• 1:14:29
  he's lived in Brooklyn most of his life, but OK, yeah, them,
• 1:14:32
  them, them, them B Moores, man, they, they say all kinds of
• 1:14:37
  crazy shit. So yeah, he is a very decorated
• 1:14:42
  rapper. I mean, very known for I think
• 1:14:47
  his relationship with Kendrick, I'm not mistaken.
• 1:14:55
  So yeah, he has been living in California.
• 1:14:57
  OK, yeah, I just wanted to make sure I was right.
• 1:14:59
  Yeah. So yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:00
  Anyway, I think he was working or he was up under Kendrick's
• 1:15:05
  label a little while anyway, why is also the one of the also in
• 1:15:12
  the beginning probably was one of my least favorite.
• 1:15:15
  It definitely has grown on me. It's one of the songs that I
• 1:15:17
  think is definitely better performed than it is listened
• 1:15:19
  to, but I do think it has its place.
• 1:15:22
  I've seen a lot of people like very much put this on their gym
• 1:15:25
  playlist. I can see that being a very good
• 1:15:27
  like cardio heavy song. I don't know this because I
• 1:15:32
  haven't seen anything because I'm trying to, but I imagine
• 1:15:35
  that there will be some kind of link between via and fire
• 1:15:39
  because why wouldn't there be? I mean, like it's literally it's
• 1:15:41
  right there. If it's not cool.
• 1:15:44
  I I think some of the bigger things I've seen on this on this
• 1:15:48
  particular song was like people were and I hate to keep talking
• 1:15:51
  about the things that people didn't like.
• 1:15:53
  It's just kind of easy to like talk about them.
• 1:15:55
  I think the whole like club go crazy, like Britney baby hit me
• 1:15:59
  one more time. I think people were upset
• 1:16:00
  because they were kind of using Britney as a like a punching
• 1:16:06
  bag, which doesn't make any sense because they also
• 1:16:08
  referenced Michael Jackson. I thought she had AI.
• 1:16:10
  Thought she had a song called Crazy though.
• 1:16:12
  That's what they're referencing because I saw people talking
• 1:16:14
  about that too. Don't you?
• 1:16:15
  She has a song called Crazy too. She had the song called Crazy
• 1:16:17
  and a song called Hit Me Baby one more time like.
• 1:16:20
  Right, so like I've been talking about both songs you.
• 1:16:23
  Know how the Internet is I? Know, especially when talking
• 1:16:26
  about Britney. Free Britney always.
• 1:16:28
  I mean, she is free now, but you know, it's still very much free,
• 1:16:30
  Britney, from everything. But even that, like they
• 1:16:35
  referenced Michael Jackson too, and you know, Oh my God, I don't
• 1:16:37
  know. I think you were around when I
• 1:16:39
  got on the Internet and saw somebody ask what that reference
• 1:16:42
  was for. Oh yeah.
• 1:16:44
  Or the Britney reference. And I was just like, there's no
• 1:16:46
  way that I'm living in a world where people don't know who
• 1:16:48
  Britney Spears is. Like there's a saying that go
• 1:16:51
  you. Are now Shay.
• 1:16:52
  You are. I'm not that old bitch, but
• 1:16:56
  there's a saying that's like the most famous people that's ever
• 1:16:59
  walked the earth is Jesus Christ, Michael Jackson and
• 1:17:01
  Britney Spears. If we're losing Brittany, that
• 1:17:03
  means we're close to losing Michael as far as people knowing
• 1:17:06
  that I can't have that. So I mean I.
• 1:17:08
  I think Michael's in a different situation because he's always
• 1:17:11
  going to be known as the King of Pop and we're still always
• 1:17:14
  referencing him, especially if you, I feel like Michael will be
• 1:17:18
  one of those people. People always know whether they
• 1:17:21
  don't know him like as much. They're always goes, you know?
• 1:17:25
  Somebody's always passing it down.
• 1:17:27
  Yes, we're getting the Michael Jackson movie did not already
• 1:17:30
  come out. Did that come out already?
• 1:17:31
  No. No, it comes out I think 20th.
• 1:17:35
  Oh, I thought it came out yesterday for some reason it.
• 1:17:37
  Might have grown and no, listen up.
• 1:17:39
  I've been you, you know, I've been out and doing things.
• 1:17:42
  Oh, you're right, the 24th. Oh, is it?
• 1:17:44
  Yeah, I was close. Yeah.
• 1:17:45
  I mean, I think it's a good track to get the the concert
• 1:17:50
  hype. It's definitely a hype track.
• 1:17:52
  Again, very much just enthralled with the hip hop cultural
• 1:17:57
  things. You know, everything's lit.
• 1:17:58
  Everything lit this far definitely gives me a little bit
• 1:18:01
  of a charli XDXI thought about that a lot when I first heard
• 1:18:06
  it. Like it's just it for some
• 1:18:07
  reason it just was like this felt very brat summer for me.
• 1:18:11
  Just very intense or high intense track.
• 1:18:14
  It'll be a good it'll be a good if it's put in the latter half
• 1:18:18
  of the concert, I think it'll be a good to get it, you know, back
• 1:18:20
  up because again, this I feel like and I don't know, but I
• 1:18:23
  feel like the concert is going to go in like wave.
• 1:18:25
  Just with the amount of if we're if they're doing the basically
• 1:18:28
  the whole album. If they do, which I hope they
• 1:18:30
  do, then I feel like it's going to go in waves and it'll be good
• 1:18:34
  to like bring it the the energy back up in very lot lot of
• 1:18:38
  potential for transition into some older material.
• 1:18:40
  I think, Oh, the the biggest like I guess it people had is
• 1:18:46
  like the whole like what was the lyrics?
• 1:18:48
  Something something with my slime again, going back to like
• 1:18:51
  it's low hanging fruit like that is something that is so that
• 1:18:55
  with my slime, like it's just with my friend or with my boy,
• 1:19:00
  with my whatever. It's just like, it's something
• 1:19:02
  that's just so ingrained in like current social media.
• 1:19:05
  Like shit, it almost kind of reaches outside of quote UN,
• 1:19:09
  quote AAV. It's just every fucking where.
• 1:19:11
  I was literally listening. I just blur that out.
• 1:19:14
  I didn't even know that was a lyric.
• 1:19:16
  Really. Yeah.
• 1:19:17
  I must always block it out or something.
• 1:19:19
  Yeah, I found it. It's in the first course, I
• 1:19:22
  guess. Yeah.
• 1:19:23
  Where I I can hear JK saying it now, where he says give me that,
• 1:19:26
  make me sweat something I can't forget.
• 1:19:28
  Burn it out with my slime, be in a flame, go wild.
• 1:19:31
  I mean like. Again, I don't think, I don't
• 1:19:34
  think every song has to be a lyrical fucking masterpiece.
• 1:19:36
  It's a hype track. Again, like I'm cool with there
• 1:19:39
  being I don't I don't if I want to listen to some like super
• 1:19:41
  lyrical shit, I'll go listen to fucking mono or something.
• 1:19:44
  You know, some right place, one person you know, everything
• 1:19:46
  doesn't have to be super deep ass, have a double meaning, but
• 1:19:50
  that's all. That's it's way.
• 1:19:51
  That's all it needs to be like it's just lit and that's cool.
• 1:19:53
  Everything's fire. Everything's lit.
• 1:19:55
  That's fine. I don't think there's anything
• 1:19:58
  else on this particular track that I wanted to talk about.
• 1:20:00
  I don't really think there's anything.
• 1:20:02
  Really. It's pretty self-explanatory.
• 1:20:05
  It's just one of those ones that's supposed to make you
• 1:20:06
  dance go crazy again. Just like we keep repeating
• 1:20:10
  everything. Everything is fire.
• 1:20:12
  It's a repetitive track. I think a lot of ending in just
• 1:20:14
  back in just a little more controversy is like, that's just
• 1:20:16
  all I'm here for. A lot of people, a lot of people
• 1:20:19
  were upset, I think with the just repetitive repetitiveness
• 1:20:22
  of it of some of these tracks, which again, valid critique.
• 1:20:26
  But once again, I stand on like not everything doesn't have to
• 1:20:29
  be super deep. It doesn't have to be like super
• 1:20:32
  lyrical or have all these innuendos.
• 1:20:34
  Everything doesn't have to be that way.
• 1:20:35
  Sometimes it's OK to break up that monotony of just this
• 1:20:39
  again, like there are there are albums for that we have out for
• 1:20:42
  that. I think it's OK for them just to
• 1:20:44
  let loose and have fun and have a fun track that's not, you
• 1:20:47
  know, again, like over like crowded with all this like
• 1:20:51
  genius moments and stuff. But I think it's a it's going to
• 1:20:54
  be a fun track to, you know, get lit to especially me about 15
• 1:20:57
  buzz balls in going into hot ass Vegas stadium.
• 1:21:01
  So yeah, I look forward to and they also just from the Netflix
• 1:21:05
  special. Well, a lot of fun performing.
• 1:21:07
  I mean, Damju was running around on half a foot, but you know.
• 1:21:11
  And we kept telling the man to sit down.
• 1:21:12
  Listen girl, you know listen. Nobody for shit.
• 1:21:15
  I know. But I'll be excited to see them,
• 1:21:17
  you know, essentially get lit. I'm sure it's sure it's a fun an
• 1:21:20
  experience y'all have been witnessing that I refuse to
• 1:21:23
  watch. It's fine.
• 1:21:24
  And that's why when you keep saying stuff, I'm not saying
• 1:21:26
  anything. I'm.
• 1:21:26
  I'm not confirming or denying anything you're saying.
• 1:21:29
  I want this to be a surprise for you.
• 1:21:30
  I'll. Come back to this and see if I
• 1:21:31
  was right. Just by the way, so.
• 1:21:33
  OK, I'll have you come back on the show as well to talk about
• 1:21:37
  how much you were right. Yeah, just one whole episode of
• 1:21:39
  me and how right I am. Sounds like my kind of party.
• 1:21:43
  It does, but yes, let's go ahead and move on to a song that has
• 1:21:46
  truly grown on me and now I think is becoming like in my top
• 1:21:50
  three. I liked it from the first
• 1:21:52
  listen, but this was also another one.
• 1:21:55
  Again, we keep talking about the controversies.
• 1:21:56
  I feel like the her first flip, like half of it was just full of
• 1:22:01
  controversies, But this song, especially until the switch up
• 1:22:06
  happened and we got the music video, which is 2 point O.
• 1:22:09
  So it's produced once again by Mike Wilmade.
• 1:22:12
  And plus, did we say yes? OK, yes.
• 1:22:17
  So lyric credits by Michael Len Williams, the second Ashton,
• 1:22:21
  Terence O'Neill Hogan, Atia Boggs, Charles Henshaw, RMJ Hope
• 1:22:29
  V, John Cook, John Mitchell, Derek Milano, P Dog and Sugar.
• 1:22:35
  And funny enough, and another member was actually against this
• 1:22:39
  song. Do you want to guess which
• 1:22:40
  member it was? Was it rap line or vocal line?
• 1:22:45
  Vocal line. Jimin.
• 1:22:47
  Oh my God, you're correct. It was Jimin actually.
• 1:22:50
  He was opposed to this song and he stated the reason was is
• 1:22:53
  because it was difficult for the vocal line since it was such a
• 1:22:56
  hip hop heavy song. And we kind of see that too in
• 1:22:59
  the documentary I've mentioned when we talked about the
• 1:23:01
  documentary, they give us a scene actually of like P Dog
• 1:23:04
  kind of guiding Jimin when recording the song.
• 1:23:07
  So I guess that was more struggling for him than I
• 1:23:10
  realized until I watched this and he said that.
• 1:23:14
  And so Namduna had also compared this to Hooligan because the
• 1:23:18
  vocal line really kind of only have like 1 melody.
• 1:23:21
  They're singing like back-to-back.
• 1:23:22
  But 2.0 was different in the cadence that they had to sing
• 1:23:25
  for their line and they get the P in the tone right.
• 1:23:29
  With the way this song is kind of like formatted compared to
• 1:23:32
  Hooligan. And on the Jimmy Fallon show as
• 1:23:36
  well, they was Tayon. I didn't watch their full
• 1:23:39
  interview yet. I will later.
• 1:23:40
  It's on my list. Listen guys, I'm a busy adult,
• 1:23:43
  but I believe it was Teyon who talked about how the song also
• 1:23:45
  represents BTS is new confidence as they return as a group.
• 1:23:50
  And they've surprisingly, despite the push, push back the
• 1:23:55
  controversies have been promoting this a lot more than I
• 1:23:58
  thought they would. Along with their title track
• 1:24:00
  Swim. And we did get a music video
• 1:24:03
  that dropped with it with the aesthetics inspired by a really
• 1:24:06
  popular old Korean movie called Old Boy directed by Park Chan,
• 1:24:12
  which I find hilarious because it kind of made it kind of what
• 1:24:15
  I thought huling it was going to be.
• 1:24:16
  But this has like a comedian, comedian type to it.
• 1:24:19
  There's a lot of similarities if you go online to the movie, to
• 1:24:22
  this music video. Like they made the references to
• 1:24:25
  a team, which I think also made it really tasteful in a way as
• 1:24:29
  well. And the comparances of the story
• 1:24:31
  to Old Boy to this song and the music video and I guess if
• 1:24:36
  anyone wants to watch the movie if you can spoil not spoiler
• 1:24:39
  trigger warning because it's very graphic.
• 1:24:41
  There's a lot of Korean movies I don't think people realize like
• 1:24:45
  actual Korean movies not K dramas can be very graphic.
• 1:24:50
  I didn't realize too. I watch one of the directors
• 1:24:53
  movies the Handmaiden, which listen all I must say is just
• 1:24:58
  lesbians. It's very graphic when it comes
• 1:25:00
  to lesbians so the get all lesbian sex so.
• 1:25:04
  We love the lesbians. We do.
• 1:25:07
  Yeah, super definitely is my favorite video between the
• 1:25:11
  three. I think it just encompasses
• 1:25:13
  outside of just the references it did because I've never seen
• 1:25:15
  the movie, but I figured it was something before like diving in.
• 1:25:19
  I figured they were rough because it just very it felt
• 1:25:22
  very much like an old almost like a an old movie about like a
• 1:25:27
  retired pop. And that's probably not what the
• 1:25:29
  movies about, but it just it gave me like there's a storyline
• 1:25:32
  here and it's like this guy, it's almost like taking a little
• 1:25:36
  bit where it's like some guys like searching for somebody.
• 1:25:38
  And I would have had all these pugs and you know, go through
• 1:25:41
  the motions and all this very actiony type stuff.
• 1:25:45
  So I figured there was like a reference there.
• 1:25:47
  I just didn't know what it was at the time.
• 1:25:49
  But it is my favorite video because I feel like with the
• 1:25:53
  different things that they do in this video between choreography,
• 1:25:57
  which is super good, but also the brakes in whether being
• 1:26:02
  again, funny as fuck or stupid in the face, like like I mean,
• 1:26:07
  it is, I think it encompasses a lot of why I think a lot of
• 1:26:09
  people like BTS. They are very talented, but
• 1:26:11
  they're also very comedic and just just a bunch of stupid men
• 1:26:15
  essentially. You know, that dudes, you know,
• 1:26:17
  again, they're very serious most of the time.
• 1:26:21
  The scene of them in the elevator, like I know a lot of
• 1:26:23
  people like Oh my God, Jimin's back, but like I couldn't help
• 1:26:26
  but like Garrett Nam June, like trying to fucking put on clothes
• 1:26:30
  like a fucking Neanderthal. Like I'm just like they're just
• 1:26:33
  so they're just so they're just such genuine.
• 1:26:36
  I think they're just such genuine people and funny for no
• 1:26:39
  reason. But like, I think we saw a
• 1:26:41
  little bit of not like August D for sure, but I feel like we
• 1:26:45
  kind of got a little like he's in there still somewhere, you
• 1:26:48
  know, like he. He came out a little bit.
• 1:26:50
  I'm not going to lie. He's.
• 1:26:51
  In there, Yeah, yeah, he's gone. But he's like he's the remnants
• 1:26:54
  are still there. They can they can come out
• 1:26:56
  anytime we don't want them to. Because again, that wasn't a
• 1:26:59
  very angry time in his life. But I think the essence of
• 1:27:03
  August, he will always be with Yungi.
• 1:27:05
  And sometimes he pops out a little bit just depending on
• 1:27:07
  what he does. And then this video, it
• 1:27:08
  definitely was giving a little bit of D-Day for me, just the
• 1:27:13
  vibe and the look. And that's another thing that
• 1:27:14
  reminded me of us like the Hagam music video a little with just
• 1:27:18
  like this. There's an obvious like cat and
• 1:27:20
  mouse theme with that one, and this one felt very similar to
• 1:27:24
  that. I thought about that for a
• 1:27:25
  minute. Again, the choreography is
• 1:27:27
  really good. Am I wrong?
• 1:27:28
  Were they in the high building going up?
• 1:27:31
  Was that? But was that the high building
• 1:27:32
  they were in? I.
• 1:27:33
  Don't know if they use the high building as a set, but that set
• 1:27:36
  they're in also is a like reference to this a certain
• 1:27:39
  scene and old boy too. Yeah, but I don't know if
• 1:27:42
  they're they filmed it in the high building.
• 1:27:44
  I wouldn't be shocked it. Looked a lot like the, you know
• 1:27:46
  how they did, they'll do the challenges and stuff.
• 1:27:49
  When, when yeah, it looked a little bit like the top 4 or
• 1:27:52
  whatever. I guess in there I was just like
• 1:27:54
  I got the high building. Maybe they probably decorated it
• 1:27:56
  to look like the office scene. That's an old boy that I've been
• 1:27:59
  seeing clips of so I don't know where they got the water from
• 1:28:03
  though. How they made that?
• 1:28:05
  But no, this is my favorite music video for sure.
• 1:28:08
  I think that this song is another one of those songs
• 1:28:11
  that's better performed. I think it gives the right
• 1:28:14
  amount of energy, but it doesn't feel as intense as fire does.
• 1:28:18
  Like fire makes you want to like go run, even though I don't.
• 1:28:22
  But it just makes you it makes you feel like you need to go,
• 1:28:24
  like get the energy out. I think 2 point O is a little
• 1:28:27
  mosh pit. Yeah, very mosh pit.
• 1:28:28
  Like I think 2 point O is very it's 2, but against repetitive
• 1:28:34
  enough to be kind of ear catchy ear worming.
• 1:28:38
  I've absolutely changed the lyrics from in the the hook
• 1:28:42
  where it's like we on that brand new.
• 1:28:45
  Like bitch, I'm brand new. I say that I don't give a fuck
• 1:28:47
  what they say. Like that's just how I say it.
• 1:28:51
  I think utilizing again, what I love about this album in
• 1:28:55
  general. I meant to talk about this a
• 1:28:56
  little earlier was just the usage of like it feels like
• 1:29:00
  everybody got like equal parts. I don't feel like anybody was
• 1:29:03
  left behind, even though in the document we see Jen came in kind
• 1:29:06
  of later after Get on Be on Tour and that whole debacle.
• 1:29:11
  But it doesn't feel it feels like everybody was really
• 1:29:13
  balanced and used well in this album.
• 1:29:17
  And this is a good example because you have like you have
• 1:29:21
  like Jimin and JK like balance bouncing off one another and
• 1:29:24
  then they swap at the end with JK and OK, and it's same with
• 1:29:27
  Jen and Jimin and, and just, it's just very well done.
• 1:29:30
  And those are little things that I noticed when it comes to the
• 1:29:34
  engineering part of it, where then people who do the
• 1:29:36
  placements and stuff like it's, it's very well crafted.
• 1:29:39
  And so 2 point O was wasn't an automatic favorite, but it has
• 1:29:43
  grown on me for sure. I find myself listening to it a
• 1:29:46
  lot. Yeah, same.
• 1:29:48
  And then like, I don't know, because you're also a big
• 1:29:50
  Beyoncé fan, maybe they got this from Beyoncé and we'll talk
• 1:29:53
  about this in later half. I feel like they utilize like
• 1:29:57
  the they utilize the vocal line doing harmonies a lot more.
• 1:30:02
  Yes, yeah. So that's where I feel like it
• 1:30:04
  also feels like everyone got equal parts instead of just like
• 1:30:07
  having vocal line do one verse and then the other.
• 1:30:10
  We have hidden back vocals like you.
• 1:30:12
  You can clearly hear them harmonizing a lot more and a lot
• 1:30:15
  of these songs. Very well thought out and they
• 1:30:18
  were all used I think to the best of their ability.
• 1:30:21
  I love that Jimin is in his deeper vocal range.
• 1:30:24
  I know a lot of people really, really wanted him to get them
• 1:30:27
  high, like and not for nothing, love Jim to death, but sometimes
• 1:30:30
  I think it's a struggle. It's a struggle for anybody who
• 1:30:33
  is got a a wider range. Those notes are not very
• 1:30:37
  sustainable. And yes, you can always do
• 1:30:39
  things to help sustain those things, but it can wear on your
• 1:30:43
  vocals. It can and so I love it.
• 1:30:46
  I love when he does like lower no, and he's like in that again,
• 1:30:50
  I could just it just seems very like the this song and this one
• 1:30:54
  and aliens, ironically, both being made by or produced
• 1:30:58
  primarily by Mike Will made it very swaggy song, very chill,
• 1:31:04
  but just like impressionable. Like even in the beginning
• 1:31:07
  Yugi's verse, it was like, I hear it.
• 1:31:12
  I just, I'm bad with lyrics. It's essentially saying do.
• 1:31:16
  You want to read them to you. Yeah, read the read the first
• 1:31:19
  Yungi's Yungi's first verse. OK, I'm not reading it.
• 1:31:22
  Including. I'm not reading the translation.
• 1:31:24
  Yes, so sure quote like Bong Tong.
• 1:31:27
  It's easy to say as if we're a vaulting box.
• 1:31:30
  They try to jump over us all the time.
• 1:31:32
  It's funny, but not really. So they don't stand a chance
• 1:31:35
  against the 10 years we've built.
• 1:31:37
  Stop Ride like the chorus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:31:42
  Sorry. This is as your blog.
• 1:31:44
  Knock, knock, knock, knock. Yeah, as a little fun fall.
• 1:31:49
  You're not going to be 1 and stand next to me during the
• 1:31:51
  concert, I just say. Well, I'm not going to be.
• 1:31:54
  Yeah, good luck to whoever standing this amount.
• 1:31:57
  I think just that in general, like there's always this
• 1:31:59
  conversation around who's the next BTS.
• 1:32:01
  And even if it's not something that like bothers BTS, that
• 1:32:06
  sentiment of just like say the first part again because I want
• 1:32:10
  to make sure I'm getting correct, this is the first line.
• 1:32:12
  Sure, like Bong Tong, it's easy to say yeah.
• 1:32:15
  Like, yeah, it's easy to say that you can create another one
• 1:32:18
  of us, but Aunt, there won't be another one of us.
• 1:32:21
  It won't have even if even if you curate group and fashion and
• 1:32:25
  actress, they don't have our story.
• 1:32:26
  They don't have our come up. They don't have our longevity.
• 1:32:28
  They don't have the the the core audience that's been built.
• 1:32:31
  There's a lot of things that go into BTS that's not just, oh,
• 1:32:34
  they were just, you know, this group that just happened upon
• 1:32:38
  this fame and acquired there. There was there's a real like
• 1:32:41
  connection. One of the reasons why I really
• 1:32:43
  love BTS is there's a real connection between their come up
• 1:32:47
  story and to where we are now, how Army plays a part of that
• 1:32:51
  and how their own stories play a part of that.
• 1:32:54
  So people can attempt and there's nothing wrong with I
• 1:32:58
  guess attempting to try to duplicate that.
• 1:33:00
  But there's something very like authentic about how they came up
• 1:33:05
  and the things that they went through, the things that they've
• 1:33:07
  talked about, the things that we've seen and some of the show
• 1:33:10
  we haven't. Even if you create a group and
• 1:33:13
  you fabricate a group off of the likeness of BTS, it can't be
• 1:33:17
  BTS. There's just they don't have
• 1:33:18
  that same grit. And I think that kind of like
• 1:33:22
  the Neil Mccoffin with that conversation.
• 1:33:23
  And I'm glad that you, you said something because it is been
• 1:33:26
  like, it's, it's always something.
• 1:33:28
  It's, there's been so many articles written about like not
• 1:33:31
  any group specifically, but just the idea of like creating the
• 1:33:34
  next BTS or having another moment.
• 1:33:36
  Like that doesn't mean that other groups cannot do great
• 1:33:40
  things that they do. I just don't think we're going
• 1:33:43
  to have another situation. We have the exact same formula
• 1:33:46
  with the BTS. I don't.
• 1:33:48
  And I don't think anybody really really honestly wants that, if
• 1:33:50
  you really think about it. I'm probably not, but even in
• 1:33:53
  the Precors too, I mean, they say to themselves before I
• 1:33:56
  finished it, they said they're coming back for what's there.
• 1:33:59
  So yeah, I. Mean and that's like I said, the
• 1:34:01
  song is very self-explanatory. I mean, there's no reason to
• 1:34:04
  reduce too much deep diving because again, it's just like
• 1:34:07
  they left people had their fun coming back from what stairs?
• 1:34:10
  But yet they're on something brand new.
• 1:34:13
  You know what I mean? Like the other Oh, this was the
• 1:34:15
  one that there's Oh my God. OK.
• 1:34:18
  I was just about to ask you before we move on.
• 1:34:20
  Did you want to bring up your biggest problem?
• 1:34:22
  Oh my God, I was like, I was going through the song and I was
• 1:34:25
  like. I was going to bring it up if
• 1:34:28
  you didn't. Yeah, OK, so one of my biggest
• 1:34:30
  pet peeves, those of you, if you're still here listening,
• 1:34:32
  first of all, you're the real one.
• 1:34:34
  I'm sure someone's going to edit this very nicely.
• 1:34:37
  As much as you can. Yeah.
• 1:34:39
  One thing I absolutely want be besides the things that I
• 1:34:43
  requested in the first half of this hive, you need to hire
• 1:34:46
  someone that can go through these lyrics and make sure we
• 1:34:49
  put the right lyrics for hit Spotify or hit Sprint because
• 1:34:54
  this is now the second fucking time we've had an instance where
• 1:34:57
  there has been something that has been misinterpreted.
• 1:35:02
  The first instance was JK's 7, where Lotto is her verse and in
• 1:35:09
  the printed material and on Spotify and every other, you
• 1:35:13
  know, whatever other music source you listen to, the lyrics
• 1:35:17
  read tightly, take control, tightly take his soul.
• 1:35:22
  Lotto's not saying that Lotto was saying type 2 as an I'm the
• 1:35:25
  type 2, take control, Type 2, take his soul.
• 1:35:29
  It's just the way she says it because she's not from Atlanta,
• 1:35:33
  but she's hailed from Atlanta for long enough to be called,
• 1:35:35
  you know, from Atlanta. It's her accent.
• 1:35:39
  And yet again, that's one example.
• 1:35:42
  So now we have Namju's verse, which again this has become a
• 1:35:46
  big thing now, but we're sad literally arguing people in
• 1:35:49
  comment sections about what Namju says when he's like.
• 1:35:53
  Pop pop, pop pop pop pop pop baby.
• 1:35:56
  Get too lit raw raw raw raw. Hit him up like pop hit him with
• 1:36:01
  the truth. Like wrong.
• 1:36:02
  Pause. OK.
• 1:36:04
  So so it's not hit him up like pop because it makes no fucking
• 1:36:08
  sense, but it's hit him up like pop as in Tupac, as in the the
• 1:36:12
  rapper, because he has a song called Hit Him up.
• 1:36:15
  That's what it makes sense. It's word play.
• 1:36:17
  And then the second part of that is hit him with the truth like
• 1:36:20
  Rob, that's referencing raw digger.
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  So if we have one, that's a clear because again, but again,
• 1:36:26
  in the printed material, it says hit him up like pop as in POP.
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  Now I got to argue with fucking people online about what he
• 1:36:34
  meant. And because they are taking what
• 1:36:37
  you put in the print as Bible and that's not what it is.
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  So hive in 2026 and beyond, Please hire someone to find
• 1:36:45
  tooth comb these lyrics if you cannot just and you have the
• 1:36:48
  person there like literally he could.
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  I'd really honestly Nam June, please come out and correct
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  people so I don't so I can stop arguing people in the comment
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  section of people trying to tell me that you said hit him up like
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  pop, which makes no fucking sense.
• 1:37:01
  But POC would make sense because the mixtape he pretends doesn't
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  exist. Or maybe he no he pretends
• 1:37:08
  doesn't exist with the song joke.
• 1:37:10
  He's mentioned Tupac before. Exactly.
• 1:37:13
  Again, people don't listen. That's how that's how I know
• 1:37:15
  people don't really give a fuck about.
• 1:37:17
  They all work like that. As far as like trying to be like
• 1:37:20
  I miss Obts, you don't because you didn't listen to it.
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  You would have known the reference if you listen to it.
• 1:37:25
  Yeah, but I was still going to because I apparently other
• 1:37:28
  people were pointing out the time to pay your debt.
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  Fear me or fear me not to Let it be, let it be, let it bleed, hit
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  a lick and a split. Apparently those other
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  references to other songs. I heard someone point out The
• 1:37:40
  Beatles but I don't remember for which part.
• 1:37:42
  Let it be is from The Beatles. Let it be, Let it bleed.
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  I think is Rolling Stone. OK.
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  So 2 references to you know again some quote UN quote
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  greats. And they've been compared to The
• 1:37:54
  Beatles before, so a lot. And of course, like Rolling
• 1:37:58
  Stones, it again, they're very voted in their own right and
• 1:38:05
  that's it. And that's all.
• 1:38:05
  Yeah, that's my complaint. And I need them to fix that as
• 1:38:09
  that's one of the reasons why I don't want to buy the album
• 1:38:10
  because it's wrong, fucking wrong.
• 1:38:12
  And it bothers me. And I'm and I'm autistic and it
• 1:38:14
  makes me like literally want to break out.
• 1:38:17
  Like it just dies. Like it's well, it's just like,
• 1:38:19
  because again, I got to argue with people who don't know shit.
• 1:38:22
  And clearly you're not smart enough to just go look this shit
• 1:38:24
  up. And I had to literally explain
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  to this person on the Internet, which I don't even know why I
• 1:38:29
  bothered, but like, I'm talking to literally nobody most of the
• 1:38:32
  time of that. This is not the first time that
• 1:38:34
  Hive has made the mistake of fucking up lyrics in the written
• 1:38:38
  part of it. But you know, all right, Well, I
• 1:38:42
  guess that would be a good point to segue into the bell.
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  Lovely Bell where it gave us the cleanse and the reset that we
• 1:38:52
  really needed for the rest of the album.
• 1:38:56
  So apparently this bell is the recording of the sacred bell of
• 1:39:00
  Great King Song Dog, or also known as the God Korean.
• 1:39:06
  It's so late, Emily. Emily Bell.
• 1:39:09
  I just blanked out for a minute there.
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  Emily Bell and it's one of Korea's most iconic bronze
• 1:39:16
  bells, cast in 771 during the unified Sheila period.
• 1:39:22
  It is a minute and 37 seconds to match the currency of the bells
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  Renaissance. When it struck, I thought I also
• 1:39:29
  heard it was to match how long it took the king to walk.
• 1:39:33
  But more articles I found stated that's how long it took for the
• 1:39:38
  bell to like stop ringing. So it's supposed to emulate
• 1:39:42
  that. And again, the Tik Toker that I
• 1:39:45
  talked about earlier, Ginu Park, he talked about how the bell is
• 1:39:49
  the 29th item of the national treasures designed by the Korean
• 1:39:53
  government, which is why they named it #29.
• 1:39:57
  He mentioned how it's also has this really dark myth to it.
• 1:40:02
  He says don't believe it obviously, but there was a myth
• 1:40:05
  for this bell of a baby being inside the bell.
• 1:40:10
  So basically the story goes at the Buddhist monks and Sheila
• 1:40:15
  collected donations to cast this great bell.
• 1:40:18
  A poor 1 poor widow could only offer her baby and the monks at
• 1:40:22
  first, you know, declined. But when the bell could not
• 1:40:26
  produce a proper sound, it was believed that not all the
• 1:40:29
  offerings were accepted, prompting the monks to go back,
• 1:40:33
  collect the child from the widow and sacrifice the baby into the
• 1:40:36
  molten metal. And the bell was completed and
• 1:40:38
  said to bring with the haunting and Malay sound like a child's
• 1:40:42
  cry. So I guess they also compared
• 1:40:44
  the sound, making it sound like a child's wailing.
• 1:40:47
  And of course, obviously don't believe it because it's not
• 1:40:50
  true, especially in a Buddhist, you know, country.
• 1:40:54
  But. And he talks about the design
• 1:40:56
  and all that too, which I thought was interesting.
• 1:40:58
  But I guess the last time the bell was officially rung,
• 1:41:01
  because they're trying not to really ring it anymore to
• 1:41:03
  preserve it since it's so old, was back in September of 25,
• 1:41:07
  which was actually the first time they rung it in 22 years.
• 1:41:11
  And I also think around that time they rung it due to BTS
• 1:41:16
  using this in the album. Bong PD had ended up going
• 1:41:20
  there. I think Nanjing was supposed to
• 1:41:21
  go as well, but he couldn't because of conflict of like
• 1:41:25
  schedules. They rung the bell and that's
• 1:41:28
  where they got the recording of it.
• 1:41:30
  But yeah. Interesting.
• 1:41:32
  I mean, I feel like there's nothing to really digest into
• 1:41:35
  this one because it's I mean, I think it's I think it's iconic
• 1:41:38
  for them to take something that's such a like a like a
• 1:41:44
  how's the word like archaic? That sounds wrong.
• 1:41:48
  No, that's not right. I think it's very feels very
• 1:41:52
  much like a nom June thing for them to like preserve this piece
• 1:42:00
  of history and like they can preserve it forever in the form
• 1:42:04
  of a song that's not really a song.
• 1:42:07
  It's just the ringing a bell or the bell.
• 1:42:10
  I think I've been trying to find and I can't because there's no
• 1:42:14
  other than like me like maybe taking my phone and putting it
• 1:42:18
  up against to see what it lands on as far as like the hurt, see
• 1:42:22
  if it lines up with any. Because I used to be into like
• 1:42:25
  sound bow or like those singing bowls when I was like in my 20s.
• 1:42:28
  And there are certain sounds and certain wavelengths that trigger
• 1:42:32
  certain responses and your chakras basically.
• 1:42:35
  And you know where they were, they sick.
• 1:42:37
  And I was curious to see if there was like any connection
• 1:42:40
  with that. I would have not been able to
• 1:42:42
  find anything on that. So Tom June, if you're
• 1:42:44
  listening, I'd like to know if you know what the Hertz is for
• 1:42:47
  the sound so I can know if it's. But I think it's ironic, you
• 1:42:50
  know too, that a lot of people were like waiting for there to
• 1:42:54
  be something and it just ended up going into swim.
• 1:42:56
  So it was almost like we were forced into some type of
• 1:42:59
  meditation in a way as a halfway point.
• 1:43:02
  But I think that's, you know, again, I don't I think for them
• 1:43:07
  to include this. I think it also is kind of this
• 1:43:10
  not there like, longevity as well, in a way.
• 1:43:14
  I know it sounds like you're getting all this from a bell.
• 1:43:17
  Yeah. Because this is a piece of
• 1:43:18
  history that, again, is now preserved forever in the form of
• 1:43:22
  their album. And this album, I would say, is
• 1:43:25
  now like in line with like, again, a piece of their of their
• 1:43:28
  culture, not only would like idol and the meaning behind all
• 1:43:31
  that, but just all the other. And again, going back to the
• 1:43:34
  conversation and then not being Korean enough and yet
• 1:43:36
  incorporating all of these things that are very much
• 1:43:38
  significant to their culture. It's just like, again, you just
• 1:43:41
  you want the the Korean in them to be packaged a certain way.
• 1:43:44
  You want it to look like a menstrual show.
• 1:43:46
  And that's, you know, again, we talked about that earlier, but
• 1:43:49
  I'm not going to dive back into that.
• 1:43:50
  But I think again, when you talked a little bit about the
• 1:43:54
  other podcasts that won't be named because no free promo here
• 1:43:57
  about how what modern Korean looks like and versus like the
• 1:44:01
  older Korea. I think in my mind, I feel like
• 1:44:06
  there's probably more of a blend than there is anything else.
• 1:44:08
  I mean, obviously society grows as in all in every country, as
• 1:44:12
  society grows, things change and you know, trends and just our
• 1:44:17
  ways of life will change and adapt.
• 1:44:19
  So I think that there's but there's there's all when I look
• 1:44:23
  at like anybody talk about South Korea or anybody that's visited
• 1:44:26
  South Korea and just this this constant reminder of their
• 1:44:30
  history. There's a constant like ode and
• 1:44:33
  a nod to like things that are very culturally significant,
• 1:44:36
  whether it's the food or the dress or just the education of
• 1:44:40
  certain things that they talk about or they teach over there.
• 1:44:45
  I think Korea is very rich in their culture for the most part.
• 1:44:50
  So it makes sense in my mind for seven Korean men who are very
• 1:44:53
  much proud to be Korean, to have piece of history kind of forever
• 1:44:59
  encapsulated in their project. It's kind of genius, if you
• 1:45:01
  think, if you ask me, I know like, it's just the bell, sure,
• 1:45:04
  but it's probably a lot deeper than that.
• 1:45:06
  I think for those of us who, you know, look at these things in a.
• 1:45:10
  Deeper level, I could see it. So, yeah.
• 1:45:16
  But yes, I guess you had a lot more to say about the bell than
• 1:45:19
  you thought.