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Rick Mast Talks Talladega, NASCAR Lawsuit & Hurricane Helene Recovery! · Kenny Wallace Media

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Boom, There we go. We are live.
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You are looking live. It's the Rick Mast show.
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I'm Charlie Marlow. That is the great Rick Mast.
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It is. It's ten O 8 central time on
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this beautiful Monday morning. Rick Mast.
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How are you, Sir? Man, Charlie, again, I couldn't
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be any better if I had to be, OK?
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Just beautiful boarding. No hurricanes around here.
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We got sunny skies, you know what I mean?
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We had a heck of a race yesterday with all kinds of
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controversy and we got controversy going on in the
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country and in the world is just all kinds of stuff going on,
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dude. All right, let's start with,
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let's start with the race. We're going to get to the
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controversy in the world. But before, before I throw it to
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you and I and I tee you up, just tell me, what do you think was
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the biggest controversy for Talladega?
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What? What's the first thing that
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comes to mind for you? First thing comes to mind to me
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is the car sitting there with flat tires and bringing them
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back to the pits and not bringing them back to the pits.
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And it's the it's a fiasco, right?
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We, we got to fix this dude. We got to fix this man.
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I mean, you know, it's been the same.
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It's always been there since we've had this car, but it's
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it's it's rare, this ugly head the last couple weeks and
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created controversy because you spend the car spins out and
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you're sitting there with nothing wrong with the car and
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you get towed to the garage area, right.
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And that's what happened for a couple weeks ago, the last two
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races and here with Barry and children stalling, raising cane
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and all that stuff going on. And then was a Blaney's car.
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He wouldn't walk his Glen, but he did have a broken steering.
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So it was, it was obvious or not obvious, but it was, it was the
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right call. And then we get the deal
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yesterday at Talladega and you know, you have cars that are
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maybe damaged or maybe not, but they're able to come on Pit Rd.
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and they're able to fix them. So that kind of goes, I guess
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what went on the week before. So that gets the four team all
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up in the air again. OK, It's it's it's something
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that's always been there with this car, but it's got to be
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fixed, man. We could we could fix this.
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I know they got the the deal they put on the rear shocks to
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raise the back of the car up where they can move, but that
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just buries the nose so you can't steer it right.
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So you know, that's not a fix. I guess if you could do that on
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all four shots and get the car jacked up, then that would
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probably fix it for a nice car. But for those guys, and you
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know, like yesterday, man, you had 25 cars sitting down there,
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right? 25 cars involved in the big one.
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And you know, NASCAR has got so much or so many records and so
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many officials, how, how could they look at that many cars and
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determine who, you know, who could go in the garage and who
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can get tires put on? Who do we who's not broke, who
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is broke? You know, man, it's just a mess.
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You know, the car is what's causing this.
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This car the, the because of the low profile tire and it goes
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flat and the car sits there and won't move.
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So, you know, NASCAR makes a determination, do we does he
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keep racing or not? You know, in the last two or
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three weeks, man, this, this whole thing is just blown up,
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right? And it's not a situation, it's
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not something that's new that just come up.
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I mean, this has happened in the past, but it's never caused the
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controversy that we've had the last two weeks or last three
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weeks. 443 races actually. So, you know, and they're
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talking about and they will fix it this winter.
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I wish they could fix it this week, right?
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And I'm not sure exactly how they do that.
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Man. Could you imagine going to
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Phoenix and the guy spinning out and he sit there with four flat
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tires and the official makes a call?
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Yeah, there's something broke under his car.
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So we just pulled him into the campground or the infield.
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You know, he's out of the race and there's nothing wrong with
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the car. Can you imagine the headlines
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we'd have if that was to go on at Phoenix at the last race
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going for the championship? Man, We've got to get this
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fixed. We've got to get this corrected.
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That's that's my big take away from from Talladega dude.
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Yeah, so I was right before we started this, I watched Elton
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Sawyer's little press conference from last night.
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It was about 7, seven and a half minutes.
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And it seems like they're already modifying the policy mid
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season. It it sure sounds like they're
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they're going to change the actual rule in the offseason.
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But he was asked basically, look, I mean, it looks like
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you've already kind of changed the policy because you realize
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what's happened the last couple weeks.
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And he, he essentially even acknowledged that and said, Hey,
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we want to air on the side of the competitors.
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But when asked about, Hey, what if this happens again?
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And I, I think this is important to know, you know, you said, and
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by the way, whatever the number is, I've seen 25 cars, 27 cars,
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28 cars based on different articles.
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What whatever amount of cars it was, it was the largest wreck in
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the history of NASCAR. And I mean, I don't know, how
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long did it take? Did it take 45 minutes to clear
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whatever it took? I, I do think that was very
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unique circumstances. So look, could that happen again
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at Talladega or Daytona down the road?
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It's probably very unlikely that something like that happens in
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the next four or five races this season, but you never know.
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But I think NASCAR is realizing that they have to fix this.
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Yeah, there's no doubt, you know, and and again, it won't
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happen like that again, but you still.
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But what, you know what it is, it's really a, it's really a
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preview for NASCAR to say here's the problem to fix it, OK,
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before it gets to a championship deal, OK, where we affect the
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championship. So at least the deal yesterday
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that pointed out, it pointed out what can go wrong, right?
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Even even more so than what happened to Blaney and Josh
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Berry in the preceding races. So, you know, it's a good thing,
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kind of a godsend for these guys that it went on like this,
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'cause that that puts you worse, really puts you worst case
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scenario to this, this area of the flat tire fiasco we've got
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going on, right? And it shows, it exposes, it
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exposes all the flaws, right, with what we're doing right now
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with this, with this procedure. So, you know, and they know that
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and, and, and you know, the, the thing about NASCAR from the
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beginning, they've always been reactive, always reactive to
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situations. The, the, the thing that I do
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like about the new regime in NASCAR, they, they do try to be
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more proactive than they've ever been as a sport.
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And you hear that the phone's ringing.
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I like it. There's a little hey, folks,
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there's a little button on the side where you flip that button
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and they can't bother you. You don't hear the ringing it.
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You know, technology. I love it, right?
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But anyhow, in the realm we're in with this deal, I just think
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that, you know, they've it's rare this ugly head.
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I mean, I always talk about being progressive.
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We've been regressive or reactive.
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Now, what I was saying before was interrupted, NASCAR right
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now is more proactive than they've ever been since my time
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in the sport, all right? And, and we still give the
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situations where they have to become reactive to the situation
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that happened because of a rule or because of something going
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on. And they they typically over the
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years have been pretty good about that.
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But trying to get ahead of this stuff, especially with this new
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car, the new rules, the new inspection procedures, the way
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we're doing everything. I mean, they've had to really
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completely revamp their mindset, man, to be proactive with, with
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stuff and trying to figure out what's coming down the Pike and
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how to fix it before it gets here instead of watching it
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happen and then reacted to it, fixing it.
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And, you know, some newer fans might look at her sport and
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think, man, you know, they don't get ahead of anything.
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Well, yeah, they do. If if you look at the past, the
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way we used to do things and the way it is now, totally
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different, totally different. This is one of those areas that
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falls into all right, We're we're being reactive with this.
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So now we've got to fix it. So yeah, we've got to fix this
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deal, man. And folks can get their
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questions in our guy and comments.
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Tennessee Smokey with a couple here.
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He says Bill France senior and Dale Earnhardt senior would have
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already fixed this issue. And he also here's a good
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question for you. He says this is his opinion.
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He says engineers have replaced mechanics on these race teams.
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Engineers are notorious for not really being able to fix
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anything. What do you think about that?
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Are the engineers, are they are they too smart?
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Are they not the good wrench guys from from your era or what?
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There's a mix. There's a mix that's got to go
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on with this stuff, Charlie. I mean, I, I can go back to
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stories, man. I remember, gosh, when I first
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came in the cup, the, the, the manufacturers would have their
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engineers, right? And they'd be down here, they'd
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be down at your garage area and they'd be you studying and doing
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all the stuff. Well, what happened?
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These, the different manufacturers decided that they
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let engineers design race cars, right?
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And these engineers would get on their computers and do their
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thing and design this beautiful race car.
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Really, really neat looking stuff, right?
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And they come down here and the the race team would build the
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car to those specs. And you know, once it those,
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once the thing was built, they would we'd go test it.
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And a lot of the drivers that get out wouldn't get off pit Rd.
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to be screaming. The cars were absolutely the
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worst thing you've ever tried to drive in your life.
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I got in one time, I got a Hendrick car one time.
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It's Charlotte. We were down there testing and
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Schrader was there and they had another car and I was not doing
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anything or whatever's going on. Anyhow, they said jump in this
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car, right? I said, OK, it was one of the
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cars Schrader supposed to be tested and I went out there and
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sure enough, it was, it was a pretty quick race car, but God,
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that thing was wicked. It was really wicked to try to
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drive it. Anyhow, I swapped ends with it
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in three and four and I came in. Well, when they asked me to
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drive it, Schrader was sitting in his car.
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They were working on it in the garage and Schrader hollered at
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me and sitting in the car said how about trying this car out?
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So I drove it. When I came in from spinning out
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and going down all through the grass, I never hit anything.
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I came in, Schrader still sitting in his car and I get out
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and he looks up and he's laughing and I said, what are
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you laughing at? He said there's a reason I
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didn't get out of my car 'cause if I got out of my car, I'd have
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had to drive that car you was getting ready to get into.
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And I didn't want to do that right?
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But anyhow, these guys, the engineers would build these
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cars. I know 33 race cars that were
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built, 2 engine specs from Detroit.
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And all the three of those things, man, were just wicked.
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And what happened? The engineers would go back to
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Detroit with the tails tucked between their legs 'cause they
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just could not understand why their design didn't work.
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OK. And it was really simple.
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The, the, the guys in the garage area had been working on the
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same basic chassis for 20 or 30 years, basic chassis design.
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And they had done everything to that car over those two or three
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decades to make it work to perfection for what it was.
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You all right? And so when you brought bring a
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new design in and, and nothing works right.
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And the guy, anyhow, the end result was there's one guy, his
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name is Terry Satchel. He came down from Oldsmobile.
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He had a car and it wouldn't work.
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But Terry had enough humbleness about him and fortitude that he
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stayed around. All right, He stayed around and
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he became one of the main players in our garage areas as
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kind of as an engineer. And he was with Leo Jackson for
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a while because of the Oldsmobile connection.
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And Terry started dissecting these cars that were built and,
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and then dissecting the cars that we ran and try and, and put
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together. Why the engineering mode car
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didn't work and while the old cars, the old redneck dummy race
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car crew chiefs made work, right.
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And he he made a lot of advancements.
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He did a lot he did a lot to help our sport with with that
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part of it back. But back to the question.
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Yeah, yeah, there's there's got to be a mix engineers design
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things and then the people out the field have to figure out how
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to make it work. And that that's true.
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You'll see YouTube videos and stuff going on all the time
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with, you know, a mechanic changed an oil in a car and
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you've got to take the right left rear wheel off to change
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the oil in the car and he's sitting there fussing about
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engineers. You see a lot of these videos
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that a lot of those things are kind of comical and funny, but
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it is true. It is it that is true.
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So, you know, I just think there's a mix there, man.
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I think it's a mix. OK, how about Ricky Stenhouse
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Junior? Here's a guy, a dirt guy, but
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then Xfinity and this guy won two Xfinity championships.
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Then he gets into Cup and he's essentially become the
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superspeedway guy. He has four wins in his career,
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2 at Daytona now and two at Talladega.
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So So what do you think about Ricky?
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It is that a guy who I, I think we all know you have to have a
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certain amount of luck to win superspeedway racing, but also
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is this a guy that just kind of knows how to win on the big
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tracks or what? You know, it, it kind of goes to
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his style. I mean, you know, Ricky, Ricky,
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Ricky gets he gets a lot of heat.
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He has his whole career, he gets he takes a lot of heat for cause
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and crashes or wrecking people, right.
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And he's so much better at that than the earth.
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Better not wrecking that he used to be.
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But that aggressiveness that he that he's shown then get himself
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in trouble over the years. He's still very aggressive on
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the speedways. You know that the problem with
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these cars great deal on speedways ban.
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It's like I saw did you see Denny Hamlin, screw chief
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talking about it yesterday and he's talking about these cars
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you get back in 20 spot and you're stuck in 20th at Daytona
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or Talladega and your driver ability takes the car takes away
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driving ability at these speedways because you can't do
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anything, right. Well, yeah, there is there is
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some truth to that. But you take somebody like a
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Stenhouse, right, that it's got that, gosh, he's got that
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aggressive this that he makes work for him on these super
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speedways. And he he he's obviously
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understands, you know, where what where to put his car, where
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his car needs to be and what place to put it in and see that
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the momentum and of the other lines and all that stuff that
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goes on for the drafted at these race tracks down.
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You know the the thing about it, I heard that crew chief talking
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about that and he's talking about, you know, we just can't
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drive our abilities taken out with his car at these race
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tracks. Well, the heck of it is man, if
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you look there at the end yesterday, before the big before
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the the the green white checker, who did you see at the front?
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You saw all the winners that win at superspeedway towards the end
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of the race. These guys always have a way of
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getting up there towards the front, right.
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And it's just that it's a it's a knock.
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You know, I don't know, there's something you'd really you can't
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really pinpoint it exactly. You could talk about, you know,
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with Earnhardt was so good at it.
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We call it he could see air. That was that was a take on
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Earnhardt. He could see the air.
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Well, you can't see air, but you could feel it, right?
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And you look in the mirror and you can look around and you can
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see what's happening and you can take make, you know, take
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advantage of it. Do that.
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And Dale's very good at that, right.
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Stenhouse is in that category. You know, it's he and it's
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Logano. It's it's, it's about to hit
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Denny. Well, except for the last couple
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of races, but there's a handful of those guys that just have a
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knack for being towards the front of these restrictor plate
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tracks, we call them at the end of these races.
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And it's just, you know, that's one thing that he excels at.
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Ricky Stenhouse is a very, very, very good superspeedway plate
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type racer, and you leave it at that.
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Yeah, I'm glad you brought up Chris Gabehart.
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So I was watching so Matt Weaver interviewed him and I thought
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the way Chris Gabehart described it made a lot of sense and I
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agreed with him. He basically said when I watch a
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race at Bristol, when I watch some of these Rd. courses with
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this car, I see greatness. He said.
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I'm able to see the the greatness of of drivers, the
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greatness of a sport, which I think why we all watch sports.
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He said. When I watch the superspeedway
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racing with this car, I just don't see that greatness and I
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think it's it's hard to argue with that.
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Yeah, yeah. You know, I heard that and I'm
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like, man, if you'd have won the race today, we wouldn't be
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having this interview. OK, Frustration, you know that I
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think it's frustration on his part.
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And but that's what he that's what he truly feels.
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You know, I mean, he's one of our great better crew chiefs in
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the sport and that's the way he sees it.
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And he put it out there for everybody to hear.
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So, you know, there's, there's, there's some truth to that there
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and it really is. But you know, we've been how
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many, I mean, how long we heard about super Speedway racing and
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we're stuck. We're stuck.
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We came. Hell, what's happening when I
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was going on, man, you know what I mean?
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I mean, you guys see if we dissect this a little bit more,
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you know, you go back and and all through your racing career,
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there's guys that you learn, you learn that you know every driver
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on that racetrack. You know who they are, you know
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their tendencies, you know what they do.
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And you know, there's drivers that you know, I I don't go and
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turn one on the right rear of this driver, right, you'll get
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wrecked or I don't I don't get under this driver in the apex
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exit and four at at Darlington there.
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There's just drivers that you know, you don't put yourself in
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certain positions at anywhere and you know all these guys.
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So you avoid that right, and you avoid wrecks and you avoid
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crashes that way. You finished races that way.
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You go to Talladega Daytona, you don't have that option if you're
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if you're, and I was in that, I mean every race you'd be in that
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position. Many times you're in the middle,
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3 wide, 10 rows in front of you, 4-5 rows behind you and there's
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a guy on the right side of you that you don't want to be around
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in that position. There's a guy on the left side
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of you. You know you don't want to be in
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that position. There's a guy right on your
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front bumper that you damn, I don't need to be around this
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guy, right, But you have no choice.
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You're stuck. You know, there's nothing you
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can do about it in that moment. So you know that that breeds
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that that type of situation breeds, and it has since the
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90s, man, breeds these big crashes on these race tracks.
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But you're around drivers that, you know, you're not supposed to
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be around and you shouldn't be around in certain situations.
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And, you know, you can't get out of it.
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So what what Gabe was talking about.
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Yeah. But, you know, we, we man, I was
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stuck in the 90s in positions I didn't want to be in and I
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couldn't do a damn thing about it other than trying to wait to
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make a move to get away from that guy or, or the big crash
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happens, right? And, you know, but you know,
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that, that that was for me, that was one of the most frustrating
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parts of plate racing or big track racing was being in
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positions you didn't want to beat because, you know, you
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sooner or later there's going to be a damn wreck.
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Yeah, you're going to be caught up in it.
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So, you know, I I understand what Gabe's saying.
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I go along with what he's saying.
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But I'm telling you, Gabe, this is something that's not new.
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That's more pronounced, little more pronounced straight now,
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probably, but it's not new. It's not new.
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It's always been around here. Yeah, I do like the fact that it
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seems like the crew chiefs are talking more after races.
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Not not just guys who who win the race, but Gabe Hart, Cliff
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Daniels recently on Twitter getting involved.
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Rodney Children, yes, which? Is really good for the sport.
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And also it's funny because we're talking about Denny
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Hamlin's crew chief and then just, you know, he didn't win
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the race, but look at Denny's strategy.
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So and then I was watching Denny's post race interview as
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well. So he realized after a while his
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car was not good. So he's saying, you know what I
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mean? What's what's my best strategy
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here? Just hang back.
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And you hate to say it like this, but hope for the massive
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wreck, which did happen. 28 cars, whatever it is involved.
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And so Denny Hamlin with with not a fast car ends up with a
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top 10 because of that. So, and you know, Denny's gotten
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some Flack for for his strategy. Remember kind of hanging back
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for the first playoff race. And if you watch his podcast
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actions detrimental, there's an ongoing running joke about how
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many points are you going for? And people have kind of kidded
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him about that. But for that particular
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strategy, hey, if I don't have a good car, why even try to fight
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my way back? Let's just hope for the big
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wreck, stay out of it. And he got a top ten out of it.
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Yeah, it wasn't like Atlanta. I mean, Atlanta he went back
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because I was at that race and I kept watching him, right.
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But when you go to when you go turn it on, He never did.
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But yesterday or Talladega, he felt, you know, he was up there,
19:48
he was up towards the front doing his thing and he got to
19:50
the outside line and went straight back and I'm like,
19:52
damn, you doing this again, dude?
19:54
And then he they played the recording.
19:55
You come on the radio so well, that didn't work out or that
19:58
sucked or something like that. And then he he kind of kept his
20:00
nose in there all day more than he did.
20:02
Atlanta, at least, was. You know, it wasn't embarrassing
20:05
for him, I guess, what he was doing.
20:07
But yeah, he got through there. But I'm telling you, Charlie,
20:09
like we talked about a couple weeks ago, man, I've watched
20:11
this stuff. I've watched Daryl do it and
20:12
Harry do it. In the 90s, we started doing
20:16
this three wide pack races so much when all that stuff started
20:18
with us. And I noticed Daryl and Harry
20:21
would do that. And I'm telling you, if you did
20:23
it 10 times, it only worked out one time.
20:25
It just, it just seemed like it, it just seemed like it never
20:28
worked out for the guys, right. And but it is comfortable being
20:32
back there in the back, not in the middle of that, right?
20:36
Because I've been, I've been on both ends of that stuff.
20:38
And it's a lot easier and it's a lot less mental taxing to just
20:42
be in the back of the draft following everybody around.
20:44
You know what, you're not doing anything.
20:45
You just got to ride around. But that's a that's a tough deal
20:48
as a race car driver to do that. That's a very, very tough deal
20:51
because you want to, you want to be dicing and fighting and
20:53
trying to get up front doing all that stuff.
20:55
So, you know, that's a different mindset to be able to do that.
20:58
But it worked for dinner yesterday.
21:01
We got some good comments on this GZ crazy one says twice
21:05
Hamlins line fell apart lol but still finished top ten.
21:09
We got the DG1 says 4 wide, 6 deep is nuts.
21:13
And then Sharon says hanging out at the back of a restrictor
21:18
plate race is nothing new. Kind of speaking to what you
21:20
said, Rick. Hey, because we're on the topic
21:23
of Denny, it seems like Denny is always in the middle of
21:26
everything in NASCAR, which I appreciate.
21:28
I think we all do as especially now as we're NASCAR content
21:33
creators, but you gave your opinion the other day when the
21:37
the lawsuit news came out. So we'll give you another
21:40
opportunity. And, and plus you've had four or
21:42
five days to kind of listen to everybody's take and, and hear
21:45
from the lawyers. And Denny talked the other day
21:48
and Michael Jordan even talked a little bit.
21:50
So give us your thoughts on this lawsuit 2311 Racing Front Row
21:55
Motorsports suing NASCAR for for antitrust on antitrust grounds.
22:01
Yeah, I think there, there's two different sides here.
22:05
All of a sudden, Charlie and I think Larry McReynolds probably
22:09
is the strongest with that side and his side.
22:11
If we, we've all heard, if you haven't heard it, Larry stated
22:14
on XM. You know, here we got Rick
22:17
Hendrick, we got Rodger Piski, you know, smart, smart, smart
22:22
businessman outside of the world of racing, Richard Childress,
22:25
Joe Gibbs, you know, Jack Rouse, everybody agreed to do this.
22:28
We've got a team that came in here.
22:30
It's been here four years and they're telling us that we've
22:34
done it wrong for the last 70 years or whatever.
22:37
OK. And Larry was like very, very
22:39
adamant that he does. He does not like it.
22:42
How dare A-Team that's only four years old come in our sport and
22:46
tell us we're doing it all wrong.
22:47
We've got the mainstays here, right?
22:50
That that say this is OK, that this new charter deal is OK.
22:53
We can live with. We're going to keep racing and
22:55
everybody's going to be happy. And then of course, you got the
22:59
other side saying, well, all these guys were forces charters,
23:03
not what all these owners wanted. the IT was forced on
23:07
them. And, you know, they got to go
23:09
along with it because if they don't sign it, then maybe their
23:14
team goes there's not existed any longer.
23:17
OK, there's your two sides, Charlie.
23:19
That's the two sides of this thing.
23:23
And again, it's like anything that happens, man, it comes down
23:26
somewhere in the middle. You know, I don't, I don't, I
23:28
don't go along with 100% of what Larry said, although I
23:32
understand what Larry said. I totally understand that.
23:35
But and then if you go in depth a little bit more about it, it's
23:38
like, well, you know what, maybe we need to be modernized more.
23:43
Maybe we're not, We're not like the other major professional
23:46
sports, right? You know, we need to be more in
23:48
line with those guys. I heard, I heard their lawyer
23:51
speaking the other day and he's talking about get this thing
23:54
straightened out and it's going to be for the betterment of the
23:56
sport down the road. He said all the antitrust suits
23:58
that this lawyer has been involved in, he's been involved
24:01
in when they won, the sport just became better.
24:03
It became a lot better sport. I understand.
24:07
I understand on the surface what he's saying.
24:09
The problem with that is Charlie, we're not like any
24:12
other sport. Our business model is not an NFL
24:16
franchise league type thing. It's not the MLB deal.
24:20
We don't you know, it's not NBA. We don't have revenue sharing.
24:24
All right, these the all these teams operate under that banner
24:29
as part of that system in NASCAR.
24:32
We don't do that. We are we are independent
24:35
contractors, right? And as such, that sets up a
24:39
whole completely different business model.
24:41
And so I think just for that lawyer just to put a general
24:45
blanket over. So yeah, you know, we're
24:47
professional sport and and this is going to help it and we're
24:50
not like, you know, we'd be in line with everybody.
24:52
That's not true. How many professional sports,
24:54
Charlie, in the last five years, 678 years that you know, have
24:59
the, the the athletes salaries come down right.
25:03
None. That's what Kyle Larson said.
25:06
NASCAR drivers salaries have come down the last few years,
25:10
right? And it's because of the the
25:12
financial deal, the economics, what it costs to rate to run a
25:14
race team, right. And so that that argument goes
25:18
over back to the other side. Well, yeah, look at there.
25:20
That's wrong. Something's wrong with the
25:21
bottle. When when the when the when the
25:23
athlete salaries come down. So we got to fix that.
25:25
Well, it's also about preserving the race team, right?
25:28
I mean, the race team lives off sponsorship money and now TV
25:32
money. So, you know, I don't know that
25:34
the team's all said that the publicly anyhow.
25:38
And the ones I talked to Atlanta, they were, how can I, I
25:44
told you this before. They, they, they, they, they
25:47
were all happy that it was over with everyone until fault.
25:51
No, we didn't get everything we wanted, but we got enough to
25:53
make this work that SCAR didn't get.
25:56
They had to give up stuff they didn't want to give up, but you
25:59
know, they felt like they could make it work.
26:01
There's a more out there is a more that pie.
26:03
We get this anti law, this, this antitrust lawsuit is going to
26:07
point that out. And that's what it comes down
26:08
to. You know, how much more of that
26:10
pie, right, can can NASCAR give to the teams?
26:14
And then they're talking about other stuff and I don't even
26:16
know the particulars. We hear we hear things about the
26:19
particulars what they are, But hell, I don't know that I do
26:22
know this. It's just a shame it had to
26:24
happen. You know, we're we're in the
26:26
we're in the championship mode, man.
26:28
We're getting we're doing all this, but now we've got to deal
26:30
with this out of trust, out of trust lawsuit stuff.
26:33
And it's a shame. But you know what other side of
26:35
it, Charlie? Like a wheelchair, like old Bill
26:38
France used to say, man, yeah, it's bad publicity, but it's
26:41
publicity, you know what I mean? So hey, hey.
26:45
I'm not even going to say, I hate to say it.
26:47
I hope this thing lasts the entire offseason and we.
26:49
Talked Well, I'm sure it will. I'm sure it will.
26:52
So I think there's there's an interesting side of this though
26:56
from the other owners that didn't go along with with 2311
27:01
and front row. And I'm basing this on on some
27:04
interviews I saw recently and you can go back to the press
27:07
conference from Rick Hendrick when they announced Kyle Larson
27:10
doing the double when he was asked about signing that
27:12
agreement. I'm paraphrasing, but he said
27:14
something like, I was just tired, like right, Like I'm
27:17
tired of fighting it. I don't know if you saw the
27:19
interview, I believe it was Bob Pockras the other day.
27:22
He put it on X with Richard Childress.
27:25
I mean, look, it sure sounds like all of these owners to me,
27:28
from what I've seen, it sounds like all of these owners, they
27:32
might not say it, but they're happy that this lawsuit is going
27:36
through. And there's been some anonymous
27:38
quotes. Jordan Bianchi from the Athletic
27:41
has said, look, I'm glad it's happening.
27:43
I'm talking about other owners have told him I didn't have the
27:45
balls to do this right. I didn't have the balls to to
27:50
file this lawsuit. And Richard Childress in that
27:53
interview, you can you can go back.
27:54
I don't have the exact timeline. So, so I apologize, but he said
27:59
something like they got that, you know, DocuSign, you get the
28:03
DocuSign. I, I do a little rental property
28:05
stuff. So you get the DocuSign, you got
28:07
to electronically sign it. I think he said they got it at
28:09
like 6:47 PM or 547, whatever it was and they had to sign by
28:14
midnight. So whatever the number was, they
28:17
got 5-6 hours for 100 page document.
28:20
That doesn't seem super fair to me.
28:22
And again, I I'm coming at this from a neutral, from a neutral
28:28
spot, it sure seems like all of the owners are pissed at the
28:32
current model. And even if they don't say it
28:34
publicly, they're happy this lawsuit is being filed.
28:38
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're exactly right.
28:41
And I, you know, again, it goes back what I just said.
28:43
The guys all Toby, they're just happy that it's over with.
28:46
They can go and make it work. It's good enough for them to
28:48
make it work. Now you dive deeper into it by
28:52
him by by 2311 in front row doing this, then that gives
28:57
these guys like, oh, yeah, OK, OK, yeah, maybe maybe we'll get
29:01
a little more out of this. Maybe we'll get a little more
29:03
out of this. You know, here it is, man.
29:06
What they got, they were still able to operate.
29:09
They were still they or they felt like they were going to be
29:11
able to operate and still go, right?
29:13
And they've been warded out two years.
29:15
They've been fighting this thing for two, two years, Charlie,
29:17
remember that. And and they kept waiting on the
29:20
chart or the the TV package. Everybody said when ATV package
29:23
hit, then we would get serious about this and make it happen,
29:26
right? So the TV package hit and they
29:28
got serious negotiations and you know, NASCAR didn't move enough
29:33
for for 2311 front row. They just didn't move enough in
29:36
the negotiations. So they didn't they just stalled
29:38
it and now they're suing them. The other drivers, I mean the
29:42
other team owners, yeah. I mean, you're probably right
29:44
there. You know, they can get more out
29:46
of it. They're going to they're going
29:47
to get more out of if they can. So again, I just think I just
29:52
think it's the timing of the distraction man had been needed
29:56
for the big winter time which championships over that.
29:58
That's really, really the time of it, because whatever happens
30:02
is going to happen in border law and all this stuff, you know,
30:04
whatever goes on is going to happen.
30:06
You know, the 2311 front, where they're still going to be here.
30:09
Whatever goes on, whoever gives what, you know, we get to watch
30:12
it in court. But I just wish it would have
30:14
waited till they dropped the checkered flag after Phoenix or
30:17
after the award ceremony, anyhow.
30:19
So yeah, it's interesting. I saw somebody, I think it was
30:24
on X or maybe it was on YouTube in a comment here, I can't
30:26
remember exactly, but they basically said this is NASCAR's
30:29
Curt Flood moment. And if people don't know Curt
30:31
Flood, Saint Louis Cardinal back in the day and he he essentially
30:35
lost his career. Great player.
30:36
You could make the case he should be in the Hall of Fame,
30:39
but he's the one that challenged free agency in baseball and he
30:43
suffered, but everybody after him benefited.
30:47
Now, I don't think that Denny Hamlin and 2311 and Michael
30:51
Jordan, I don't think they're going to suffer like Curt Flood
30:54
did, right? I think they're going to be able
30:55
to race. They're going to try to get this
30:57
injunction here. But I do think this is NASCAR's
31:01
Curt Flood moment. And in business, I'm always
31:04
about about fairness. Now, if you're telling me it's a
31:07
tie, just me personally, I probably will, I'll probably err
31:11
on the side of, of labour. And I know it's when you say
31:14
labour, it's the kind of it's, it's millionaires versus
31:16
billionaires, right. So it's to the average person,
31:20
you know, the drivers are making millions, the teams are in
31:23
theory worth millions. You know, NASCAR, it's, it's a
31:25
billion dollar industry. But I don't know.
31:28
I, I think just from what I've read and seen, I, I think NASCAR
31:33
is going to have to budget a bit eventually.
31:35
I don't know how much, but I feel like they're going to
31:37
probably lose. I don't know if it goes to
31:39
court, but I feel like they're going to have to give up a
31:41
little bit. Yeah, no doubt they're going to
31:44
have to. I mean, there's there's, you
31:46
know, and it all comes down to court.
31:49
It comes down to judge, you know, again, the only, the only
31:52
thing is the only flawed. They said I listened to that
31:54
lawyer the other day, his hope, his whole interview and he's got
31:58
a flaw at his flaw again goes back to our models, not like any
32:01
other professor sport model. So you know, he's he's basing a
32:04
lot of what he's thinking and doing off of that and I get
32:07
that. So I don't know I have no
32:09
frigging idea. I mean that's like 25 layers
32:12
above my expertise, Charlie. So I have no idea what's going
32:18
to what the end result's going to be.
32:19
But you know, I just don't want it bad to distract from what
32:23
we're doing. I don't want, I can remember bad
32:26
when our sport benefited. I mean, we took a big hit
32:29
benefiting attendance and popularity in the 90s when MLB
32:33
went on strike. And I'm of the opinion, Charlie,
32:36
that there are still to this day, ramifications from that
32:40
strike that still still harms an MLB.
32:44
I mean, we gained we gained fans and followers in our sport.
32:49
When that happened, baseball people got fed up and got mad,
32:52
turned it off and started watching NASCAR, right?
32:55
I mean, I, I can I relive that. I know about that.
32:58
It's still vivid in my memory. That's what I think of when I
33:00
think about what we're getting ready to go through with this
33:03
deal. All right, We don't you know,
33:05
but it's not like a complete strike and shut down, right, But
33:08
it still has a the negative consultations and and and and
33:11
you you don't want that, but you know, it's on now, baby, it's
33:15
on. So something it gives us fodder.
33:17
It's going to give us fodder for a long time to talk about.
33:19
I will say, though, he was questioned hard about the time
33:22
frame and he says one to two years.
33:24
You don't want to get like the UFC or UCF, whatever that was is
33:27
10 years. You know, that deal was going on
33:29
with that rest of the deal, 10 years, finally got it settled.
33:32
Then the judge threw it out. He didn't like to settle, but
33:34
right, yeah, 10 years. But I did like what the lawyer
33:38
said. You know, one to two years, one
33:40
to two years, it's going to be over with all.
33:43
Right, Get your questions in, get your comments in.
33:46
I put a bunch of the, the questions and comments up
33:49
because they're all pertaining to the to the lawsuit.
33:51
And I want to give my guy Trunk Monkey the credit because he's
33:55
the one that initially asked the question about the lawsuit.
33:58
So I'll put it back up. Trunk Monkey, you get the credit
34:01
there. It's all good.
34:02
We'll go for another 25 minutes or so.
34:04
We'll go close to an hour here. So get your questions in and
34:09
then Rick, you want to, you want to in the meantime, I mean, we
34:13
can go to story time. We can go to What's pissing Rick
34:15
Mastoff on this Monday. Yeah, we can do that.
34:19
Let's go. And what's pissing me off right
34:22
now, we're talking about the the flooding.
34:25
We're talking about Western North Carolina, Tennessee,
34:27
Virginia, Georgia, Florida, all the states hit.
34:30
And you know, we did a little deal last Monday about it.
34:33
And Biffle would the hurricane hit Thursday and Friday, right?
34:36
Biffle Greg gets in his helicopters.
34:38
Little Robinson. He's up there by Saturday or
34:40
Sunday running. And then he comes back and he
34:43
spent all week, you know, I mean, before it's over, I guess
34:46
he'll get a Nobel Peace Prize out or Pulitzer, if I get a
34:49
Pulitzer. He.
34:49
Should or the the Presidential Medal of Freedom?
34:53
I think Marty Smith from ESPN said they should give Greg
34:56
Biffle the Presidential Medal of Freedom, which I agree with.
34:59
And it, it's not so much what he is running.
35:01
Well, maybe it is someone's just running, but what he's put
35:04
together, right? I mean, he, I mean, how many
35:07
friggin helicopters have come up there doing their deal because
35:11
of right. And I was fussing Monday about
35:14
where's our military? All we got to do we get we fit
35:16
the helicopter, military helicopter, military helicopters
35:19
on the dropping supplies, evacuate people, getting them
35:22
out. Here we are what, a week and two
35:25
or three days later and we still, we've still got people
35:28
hung up, man. We still get people hung up.
35:30
Now what happened, Charlie? All these videos start coming
35:35
out of the mountains, all the people up there, the video start
35:38
coming out. And I mean, I watched this thing
35:40
intently all week long on social media.
35:43
And but by the middle of the end of the week, what was going on?
35:47
You had you had the two sides. All of a sudden it became
35:51
political, right? We had the one side saying we've
35:55
got all the resources and everything's up there.
35:58
The government's done everything.
35:59
We've got people everywhere doing everything.
36:01
You know, everything is perfect. Then we've got the other side
36:05
saying, no, that's a lie. They're not here.
36:09
The ones that are here are causing us problems.
36:11
And you know, you've heard the stories, you've heard all that,
36:14
you know, and with all this bicker that argued going on, we
36:18
still got frigging people that haven't been looked after and
36:23
haven't been rescued. And then, then you go down these
36:26
rabbit holes and you get, you talk about all the horrible
36:30
things that people are seeing. And you know, I, I tend to try
36:35
to figure it out when I watch this stuff or I try to figure it
36:39
out because there's bullshit on both sides.
36:42
I've, I've already figured that out.
36:44
I've seen bullshit on both sides of this thing, right.
36:47
But I talk to people, I try to talk to people down there,
36:51
right? And that that I know that.
36:54
And then a couple of three of the people I watch on doing
36:57
their videos and doing this stuff.
36:58
I know these people are who they are, the cassette connections
37:01
they have and all this. And I'm like, you know, these
37:03
are the people I trust, right? And it's a very dire situation,
37:07
a very dire situation. But because I guess it's
37:10
election season, right? It's become a fragrant political
37:13
thing. And the thing of it is,
37:16
Appalachian mountain people, man, I mean, you hear about
37:20
them, you talk about them, but Appalachian, if people want, you
37:23
know, they talk about all the dead bodies everywhere, right?
37:26
Well, you got this. People on the other side.
37:28
That ain't true. That ain't true because I ain't
37:29
seen any videos of dead bodies. Well, folks, it is true.
37:33
They're dead bodies, right? But what you won't see is you
37:36
won't see a true Appalachian mountain person filming dead
37:40
bodies and putting it out there for people to see.
37:42
You won't see a truth about in that mountain person,
37:44
Appalachian person sitting there videoing their despair, right?
37:49
And going on and on about it. They don't want that.
37:51
They don't want a video. They don't want a video cabin
37:53
around them, right? In fact, if you come up start
37:56
video and stuff, you probably going to smack or slap, right?
37:59
It's, it's a mindset that that people don't understand you and
38:04
I know these folks have a little, have a little bit of
38:06
that myself. I'm at the spine, you know, I'm
38:09
down off the spine of the Appalachians.
38:11
As it goes up. I'll tell you what I think about
38:12
these Appalachian people, Charlie.
38:14
I think back in the 1600s or whatever it was, there's a man,
38:19
this biggest, strongest Brutus man you ever seen and with an
38:24
intellect intellectually through the roof, smart.
38:28
And he met, he met a lady of the same type, physically strong,
38:35
mentally tougher than nails, and smart as hell, right?
38:39
I think they had about 10 boys or children in Pennsylvania.
38:46
And the old man decided someday he's going to get on top of that
38:48
mountain and go South. And he took off on top of that
38:51
mountain in Pennsylvania, in the Appalachians, and he with old
38:55
horse and buggy and he went all the way down those Appalachian
38:59
battens on the spine. And every so often he'd drop off
39:03
a child, right? And he got to the end of the
39:06
mountains down there, wherever it is down below Georgia.
39:09
He got to the end of that mountain.
39:10
And when he got down there, that was the end of it.
39:12
And those ten children for the next 300 years spawned some of
39:16
the toughest, smartest people that inhabit this earth, right?
39:23
That's I think that must have been what happened.
39:26
You get to know these folks. You if you get to know these
39:28
folks, you understand what I'm saying.
39:30
Now they might, someone might be toothless.
39:32
They might have beers and talk real funny.
39:34
But don't don't let that fool you.
39:36
Don't don't let that fool you. These guys.
39:38
So they were toughness and their resilience helps these people
39:41
down there, you know, because they're all pitched in and doing
39:44
their thing. And this is a long term deal for
39:46
these people. I just, you know, what's got me
39:48
pissed off is political ramification that, that that
39:51
that set in on this thing. It just, it just, you know, it's
39:53
screwing things up. Yeah, and you mentioned the
39:56
politics. I don't even think now, now
39:59
clearly, because it's an election year, a presidential
40:01
election year, it's going to get even more intense.
40:04
But I I feel like it's it's every year now.
40:07
I mean, look at so Maui. Maui was last year, right?
40:10
Look at Puerto Rico during the Trump administration, right?
40:14
I mean, the other side is always going to criticize the federal
40:17
response if if they're not in in power.
40:20
And I'll say this. So I'm not there and I'm not.
40:23
I'm not talking to people on the ground, but I've obviously I've
40:25
seen all Biffle stuff and I think we're we're trying to get
40:28
Biffle on again this week for a Kenny conversation.
40:31
I think that's going to be Wednesday.
40:34
But one thing I do know that and and I get it, it's politics.
40:39
But if you go back to Maui, the whole deal was these, these
40:42
folks only got 600 bucks. And now you've probably seen the
40:45
reports, these folks only get 750 bucks.
40:48
And this is where you can actually go right to the FEMA
40:51
website. And, and that is the immediate
40:54
money that's given out for like literal necessity for a couple
40:58
days for food, for a hotel, for baby formula and all that.
41:03
And I was kind of looking into this a little bit.
41:05
The reason for that, and this is kind of like with any government
41:09
program, if, if a government is giving out money, there is so
41:14
much fraud that goes on. Like look at all these people in
41:17
North Carolina. All these people need help.
41:20
But there are so many bad folks who are going to try to take
41:24
advantage of the federal program.
41:26
And it sucks. But a lot of the resources have
41:29
to go to making sure the right people get the money.
41:32
And I know this because during COVID, I've said a couple times,
41:36
I got a small rental property business, they had this eviction
41:39
moratorium where basically they said for about hell, about 6-9
41:43
months, essentially, people didn't have to pay their rent,
41:46
right? Which was crazy.
41:48
Different counties in Saint Louis had different rules.
41:51
But then they had this assistance program where it was
41:55
so much money that people again stopped paying their rent
41:59
because they knew they would get this assistance.
42:01
And so I'm having to do all this paperwork and I'm calling the
42:05
the people and talking to them. And this woman said to me,
42:08
because it was taking a while and she goes, she goes, you
42:12
would have no idea how much fraud goes on when money is
42:17
given out. She goes, we're taking 90% of
42:20
our time to go through the fact that 90% of these applications
42:25
are fraudulent. They're coming from other
42:27
continents and making fake leases and fake houses and fake
42:33
residences to try to get this rental assistance.
42:35
So it's just part of this whole deal.
42:37
It sucks, but like even when you have these people struggling in
42:40
North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, they're still going to
42:43
be just evil. It's like those those people
42:46
that steal the, the give a penny, take a penny at a right,
42:50
or they steal the church money that's sitting out there for the
42:53
kids baseball team. Like there's, there's people
42:55
that are just, they're just the worst people on earth.
42:57
Yeah, and Charlie, I know what you're saying, but it's just
43:02
idiotic what they did. I mean, the vice president lands
43:05
on the ground, we're going to give you $750 each, right?
43:08
The next day or that day or the day after the the what's his
43:11
name? Macorius?
43:12
What is his name? He he gets on their own.
43:15
Mayorkas. Mayorkas says.
43:19
We spent all our money. We don't have money.
43:21
We've got, we don't have any money for any more hurricanes.
43:24
And at the same time period you're you're, you're, you're
43:27
it's, they're announcing how much money is going to Ukraine,
43:29
right? So that it sets up this
43:31
narrative, right? That that creates all this
43:34
stuff. And I'm like, why don't y'all
43:36
just keep your damn mouth shut, right?
43:38
Don't tell us we don't have any more money.
43:40
Don't tell us how much more we're going to get.
43:42
And they just, and in the middle of all that they announce
43:44
however many million it was to get to Lebanese right in the
43:47
middle of all this, I'm like, just stop this stuff.
43:49
Just just stop. I do know this man.
43:52
When I was flooded out in 85, the Red Cross came in.
43:55
They gave us two or three buckets and a couple mops,
43:58
right? And we got $100.00 gift card at
44:00
the grocery store, $100.00 gift card at a clothing store.
44:03
That's all we got. We were wiped plumbing out.
44:05
Then the government gave me a 4% loan to build my house back, but
44:10
I had to buy, I had to buy a national flood insurance to get
44:13
the loan, right. But you couldn't get the flood,
44:17
flood insurance unless you've been flooded.
44:19
I tried that summer to get flood insurance for my place just for,
44:23
for some reason, I'd say I'm going to get flood insurance for
44:25
you. Lloyd's of London was the only
44:27
place I could get a policy written.
44:29
And it was as much as my damn house, right.
44:31
So, you know, when that was over, you know, and again, we
44:35
talked about this last week, you know, a month later they had a
44:39
hurricane or earthquake in Mexico.
44:41
We gave him $35 million the, the Mexico people, right?
44:44
Not a, not a loan, just give him 35 million.
44:47
And we don't get, you know, we get a couple $100 voucher and a
44:50
4% loan. And this stuff evidently hasn't
44:54
changed much over the years, right?
44:56
So, you know, I get both sides of this.
44:58
I, I understand, but man, oh man, oh man, all I know is thank
45:04
God for people like Biffle starting this thing and
45:06
everybody, all the volunteers going in.
45:08
I mean, it's, it's really, you know, the volunteers is what
45:10
saved all these people. I mean, that's, that's, that's
45:13
the bottom line, the, the average everyday person and the
45:16
people sending stuff up there like Elon Musk in the * lake
45:19
communications and everything that goes on.
45:21
You know, the teams pesky give a million.
45:23
Who was the first team give a million 20232311 They gave a
45:27
million, right? Just all these people donating
45:29
all this stuff. That's not the government,
45:31
that's that's you know, that's us, Charlie, it's me and you,
45:34
that's us doing our thing and making it work.
45:36
So you know, it's bottom line is bad people still suffering up
45:41
there. We got to keep them in our
45:42
thoughts. We all and it's going to go on a
45:43
long time. So you know, in the racing
45:46
community has been one of the best.
45:48
I mean everything, everybody in the race community man has
45:50
jumped on this sleeve. So I I just think it's so cool
45:53
that part so cool. Can't take away from that.
45:56
Yeah, no, I feel like, and that's the the shame of it too,
45:59
is. And hell, there's another
46:00
hurricane coming right to Florida.
46:02
I was watching the news last night.
46:05
The shame of it too is, you know, I've heard people say kind
46:07
of like we've forgotten about Maui.
46:09
And unfortunately that that's what happens is we have so many
46:13
of these that look, right now, everybody's focused as they
46:17
should on North Carolina. And then next year,
46:20
unfortunately, there's going to be another natural disaster
46:23
somewhere else. And the news cycle kind of moves
46:26
on to the next one. Yeah, Yeah, it does.
46:29
I mean, we, you know, Katrina was terrible, right?
46:32
Right. He was the president then Bush,
46:35
he was the president. He caught him for non responsive
46:38
Katrina. So, you know, to me it's like,
46:40
and then we talked about this other day, why don't we have a
46:42
damn quick response team, right? I mean, just have a quick
46:46
response team across America. You got 50 frigging helicopters,
46:50
right? Military helicopters staffed
46:51
with people and supplies. And you could, you don't even
46:54
have to have a Major General to put this program in place.
46:57
When a natural disaster happens, fire police fit the helicopters
47:00
and head out. Right This head out.
47:02
I mean, yeah, you set up for other kinds of problems and
47:05
commute, all kinds of stuff. I get all that.
47:07
But you're trying to save frigging lives, man.
47:11
You know, quick response, deal. Then when that's done, then let
47:13
FEMA come in and do their thing. Right.
47:16
And and or hopefully do their thing like that.
47:18
I don't know. I don't know.
47:20
I digress. I digress.
47:22
You know, I, I think first of all, as you mentioned, NASCAR
47:25
has done such a great job, drivers, teams, everybody.
47:28
And then you have this race coming up in North Carolina at
47:31
the Rowville. I, I bet you NASCAR is going to
47:34
go all out raising more money. I mean, especially this week
47:38
with a race in Charlotte. Yeah, oh, they will, it'll
47:42
it'll, it'll be rolled out man on the red carpet.
47:43
They'll you know, they'll do all kinds.
47:45
It'll it'll be it'll be a good deal to watch.
47:47
It'll be a good deal to watch TV.
47:48
It'll be good it'll be good TV pre race stuff, you know what I
47:52
mean? What they're doing, showing what
47:53
they're doing and going to do and the and the end result is
47:56
it's going to be good stuff. It's going to be good stuff for
47:58
people that have suffered. And that's just the racers have
48:01
always been that way, man. You know, my family, family of
48:04
racers, we've always been like that.
48:06
And whenever especially somebody within our sport, it was in
48:09
need, you know, racers would would kind of rally around and
48:12
do. And then we've seen it so many
48:14
times that that's the charity, you know, the charitable
48:17
organizations that spawned from NASCAR and still still part of
48:22
NASCAR, man. You know, I mean, it's just, I
48:26
mean, heck, the Rick Mass Foundation, we, we ended up
48:28
doing our golf deal for 10 years.
48:30
That's over $3,000,000 worth of services that that the clinic
48:34
was able to provide it. We're going to do it.
48:36
We're going to do a special in the Rick Mass golf tournament
48:38
one week. OK.
48:39
And talk about, I mean, because $3,000,000 a lot of money in
48:42
this little area I live, dude. And but it's cost of NASCAR and
48:46
the people that were involved doing all that.
48:48
And that's, you know, those numbers you cannot, I don't
48:52
know, I don't know if there's another organization or another
48:55
group that cost rallies the way NASCAR does and spawns so many
49:01
get so much giving, right? That, that, that that happens
49:04
for this, for me. Look at Bevel.
49:05
Hell, he's not been a driver for a few years, right?
49:08
But all of a sudden he's right in the middle of it doing it.
49:10
And then then that spawned all these other people bringing in
49:13
helicopters and that spawned everybody else coming in.
49:15
So, you know, anytime NASCAR is involved and there's a need,
49:20
they step up. And I, I will say this, I'll put
49:23
NASCAR's charity thing. I put them at, I put them on
49:27
kill with anybody, right? With, with what they tried to
49:31
do, all right, and what they try to help out.
49:34
I put them on kill with anybody. Probably both above most, you
49:37
know, I've just washed it and lived it.
49:38
I'm sure they're, they're, they're good ones all across the
49:40
country. I mean, I mean, the, the, the,
49:43
the golly, the Victor Junction count.
49:45
I mean, just, it's just endless. It's just endless.
49:49
And everybody and everybody gives.
49:50
So cool to be part of this man So cool.
49:53
Yes, it is. And folks, get your get your
49:55
questions and comments in. We'll go another 10 minutes or
49:58
so. We're we're we're about 50
50:00
minutes right now. How about story time, Rick, Mass
50:03
story time. Anything on your mind?
50:05
We had Daga. We have the the roval coming up.
50:08
I mean, it could be about baseball.
50:10
I know you're mad because the Braves aren't in it.
50:13
I'm a I'm a guardians fan now. I got to tell everybody my one
50:16
of my best friends is the assistant hitting coach.
50:18
His name is Dan Puente of the Cleveland Guardians.
50:21
So I'm a Guardians fan. Plus where I'm from, Toledo, OH,
50:25
it's kind of like 2/3 Detroit Tigers fans and 1/3 Cleveland
50:30
Indians now Guardians fan. So like they're playing each
50:33
other. So people where I'm from are
50:34
very excited about that series. So I don't know.
50:36
What do you got? Anything?
50:38
Yeah, you know, I'm sitting here watching.
50:40
The Redskins are playing very well right now.
50:45
Jayden Daniels. J Daniels And I'm like, you
50:48
know, when, when, when when the Redskins lost their name, they
50:51
went the Commanders the dumbest damn.
50:53
Who in the hell? Why would you name your team the
50:56
Commanders? Man, they had so many good names
50:58
to choose from and they picked Commanders.
51:01
Well, nobody really cared, Charlie.
51:03
And I tell you why, because they hadn't been relevant for 20
51:06
years, right? And nobody give a crap.
51:08
Now all of a sudden the Commanders slash Redskins or
51:12
man, we got something going on. They're 4:00 and 1:00 and you're
51:15
like, it's Washington. No, it's it's the Commanders.
51:19
No, it's not. It's the friggin Redskins, man.
51:22
We did change the name. They need to change the name.
51:24
The Redskins. It, it it's the Redskins.
51:27
Better stop. Commanders and Guardians.
51:29
Yeah, that kind of sort of baby. But, but no.
51:34
But Commanders, for God's sakes. Yeah, I agree on both of those.
51:41
Like, remember, you'd watch a movie where they can't use.
51:45
I always think of those Keanu Reeves movies where he would
51:48
play football. There's one called like the
51:50
replacements. And so they couldn't use the NFL
51:53
team's real names. So they always had really kind
51:57
of stupid generic names. And I feel like all these teams,
52:00
they've changed to these dumb generic names like commanders,
52:05
guardians. And by the way, everybody in
52:07
Cleveland wanted them to be called the Cleveland Spiders
52:10
because apparently that was the name of it back in the 1880s or
52:13
whatever. Cleveland's got these, these two
52:16
guardians that are on a bridge as you get into the city and see
52:20
the stadium. But still, they all feel like,
52:24
so now that we don't have an NFL team in Saint Louis here, the
52:26
Rams left, so we have an XFL team.
52:28
It's called the Saint Louis Battle Hawks.
52:30
But all the teams in this XFL league, whatever the hell it's
52:33
called now, they all have those dumb names like the Sentinels
52:37
and the Commander. I mean, they, they all sound
52:40
like these real generic names. It it sounds like a replacement
52:43
name, which is what it is. Yeah, I, I guess you could
52:47
equate it to what Mark Martin said last week, right?
52:50
Put the damn numbers back in the middle of the door.
52:52
These ain't race cars. These don't look like race cars,
52:54
right? It's it all comes down that same
52:58
deal, man. But, you know, I mean, I grew up
53:01
on the Redskins, a little kid watching the Redskins, the hogs
53:05
man, you know, Josiah Theisman and all those cats and
53:11
commanders. We're the commanders.
53:14
We're not the commanders. We're the Redskins, or at least
53:17
we're we're something different. And I, you know, I mean, but if
53:21
it made it better for the politically correct people than
53:23
fine, That's the way it is or that's good.
53:25
It's good for them. But, you know, not really
53:28
fussing about losing the Redskins name.
53:30
I'm just fussing about the name we've got right.
53:33
And somebody told me, Ricky, Ricky told me the other day that
53:36
the list of names that they had to choose from, and I'm like,
53:39
wow, boom, man. They had two or three real good
53:41
ones. And how about look for that year
53:46
or whatever they called him, the Washington Football Team.
53:48
I like that. I like that better than command.
53:51
Oh, yeah, it's same with this. That hockey team left what?
53:55
Phoenix, AZ, the Arizona Coyotes?
53:58
And I don't know, don't quote me on this.
54:00
I think they're being called the Utah hockey club or the Utah
54:04
hockey team because they moved to Salt Lake City.
54:06
Now, I don't know if that's going to be the name long term,
54:09
but I think in the interim, I'm telling you like I liked
54:12
Washington again, I liked Washington football team better
54:16
than commanders. I'm not saying it was the
54:17
greatest name ever, but I'm like, it's kind of neat to just
54:20
kind of have it just the Washington football team.
54:23
It's it's different at. Least yeah, it is.
54:27
I don't know, Charlie. It's just it's the it's the
54:30
world we live in these days. Band and we just.
54:34
I don't know. I've got a story, but it's going
54:35
to take too long. I'm probably better wait to the
54:37
next one. It's about athletes.
54:40
Probably take me 5 minutes to talk about.
54:42
You can do it. We got.
54:43
Well, you know what? My little girls came along
54:46
playing, playing sports. And guys.
54:52
Are y'all talking to NASCAR? Yes.
54:53
I think that was a typo. OK.
54:55
No, he was. He was actually complimenting
54:58
us, I think. OK, All right.
54:59
Well, that girl, my little girls come along playing sports,
55:02
right? And we played travel ball.
55:05
I mean, from 5th grade through senior year, we trade a bunch of
55:07
played a bunch of travel ball and doing different things.
55:09
Well, what happened? I had a little story and first
55:12
thing, you know, these coaches around the different high
55:14
schools and stuff, they started calling me and, and I would go
55:19
talk to their teams and I would tell them a story.
55:24
I would talk about what it meant to be an athlete, what it really
55:27
truly meant to be an athlete. The, the I met Tiger Woods at
55:32
Darlington. He was, he was a guest of, of
55:35
Jeff Gordon's, right. And this is before Tiger Woods
55:39
became Tiger Woods. He was just fresh out of
55:41
Stanford. Everybody kind of knew at that
55:43
point who he was, but he hadn't become the icon that he later
55:46
became. And I was with you there one day
55:49
and we were talking, we were talking about being prepared and
55:54
how we did what we did as an athlete.
55:56
And I asked, I was telling him what my routine was, right.
55:58
My day was iron 10 minutes, iron 20 minutes.
56:00
Basically every day that University of Virginia athletic
56:03
department set up for me. That's that's what I operated
56:06
on. And I was an athlete, Charlie.
56:07
I really was, man. I probably run 30 laps, stayed
56:09
to have a heart attack. But anyhow, Tiger talked about
56:13
he would get up, you know, and don't quote me because I've done
56:16
forgot it. I've told it so many times.
56:18
But he'd he'd be out of bed hitting his first golf ball like
56:21
at 8:00 in the morning, right? And he would hit to 11/11/30.
56:24
Then he'd break an hour, hour and a half for lunch and he'd be
56:26
back out there at 1:30 or two hitting the golf ball.
56:29
And he hit all day long. And then at the end of the day,
56:31
he had a deal where he would putt and he would putt when it
56:35
was getting dark, dusk. And he had his for some reason
56:38
he was talking about putting when it was starting to lose
56:41
light would help him, right? And we were saying, yeah, how
56:45
many times a week you do that? He said every day if I'm not
56:47
working or traveling every day, right.
56:50
And I remember, you know, one time at the racetrack, I had a
56:55
little this years ago and he I don't even remember it.
56:58
Little conversations about Jordan talking about that stuff.
57:03
And he's talking about 5 O clock in the morning right by self in
57:08
a cold basement gym somewhere with two or three chairs and a
57:13
basketball. I don't remember what the hell
57:14
he was talking about. Something about two chairs, 3
57:16
chairs. And he was doing his routine
57:18
right and doing all this stuff. Lawrence Taylor, you know, even
57:22
though, even though you wouldn't have thought it had a
57:24
conversation with him one time about it.
57:26
Joe Klecko had a conversation with him with that.
57:28
And all these great athletes that you see on TV and all the
57:33
good things they do and how how special they are and great they
57:36
are. They don't you don't see as a
57:39
kid, you don't see 5:00 in the morning in a cold gym by
57:44
yourself working or 8:00 in the morning at a golf course
57:48
somewhere swinging right or or doing the weights offseason out
57:52
of the limelight. But what you do see are the
57:54
results of those when the when the TV cameras on right and
57:58
doing the things and and, you know, it was just a deal that
58:01
that it's and if we had a head, maybe 20 athletes or high school
58:06
students sitting there listening to the story, I could see about
58:09
three of them taking it in, about 17 of them not paying any
58:14
attention to me. But, you know, just a cool
58:17
story, man, just a cool story about athletes all.
58:21
Right. I like this comment here from
58:23
Joe Tompkins. Getting back to our previous
58:26
topic, he says they were going to call them the Washington
58:28
Rats, but people would have been confused between the football
58:31
team and Congress. That's well.
58:34
Joe Pumpkins, you are the man. How about this?
58:38
You are the man, Joe. Now we can either end on this or
58:41
if you can't think of them, we can.
58:42
We can wait for next week. But I think this is a good
58:45
question from Sharon here. How about a good story of a
58:48
prank you pulled or had pulled on you from your racing friends?
58:54
Anything come to mind? Yeah, my dad there was this Bush
59:01
team, it was a Houston's and we were all buddies with Tommy
59:06
Houston and their team, their team members and my team members
59:08
were all bud good buddies still are today really.
59:11
And they were you know Tommy it was always prolific winner did
59:14
ran good. They were, they went through a
59:16
section of not running good or a period of having a bunch of bad
59:19
luck and all of a sudden they're upturned and all of a sudden
59:24
they're running good. I mean, every week, you know,
59:26
they were doing good and it, it came on us it every week
59:31
something went wrong. You know, I never do, you know,
59:35
it's just one of those deals, man.
59:36
Everything went wrong. My dad, we were at Martinsville.
59:42
My dad goes to our car, reaches inside and peels a banana open
59:48
right inside of my car, gets carries, pulls back, takes that
59:54
banana and goes down and sets it right in Tommy Houston's seat.
1:00:00
And the whole big deal was what? What is Arcade doing?
1:00:04
That's my dad's name. Arcade's doing.
1:00:06
Dad's like I feed the damn monkey.
1:00:07
The monkey's sitting here in Rick's car, and I just let him
1:00:11
out of this car, out of Rick's car, over to Houston's car.
1:00:15
He's over in Houston's car right now eating that damn banana.
1:00:18
And then at some point the Houston boys seen the banana and
1:00:21
it was a big deal, right? Big uproar or fun uproar and
1:00:25
all, but it worked because my bad luck stopped then, man, I
1:00:28
think Houston, he had, he tore his car up, I don't know, 30th
1:00:31
or 40th lap or something. He got the big Rep.
1:00:33
He was out of the race. So that was, that was a prank
1:00:36
that my dad pulled on another race team.
1:00:38
That was pretty friggin cool. I like it.
1:00:41
Let's let's end on that, unless you got anything else anything
1:00:45
else in. Your notebook.
1:00:47
Not right today, baby, Not right today.
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All good, but no, this is good. We're right at an hour, hour O
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one. I think we hit on all the
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pertinent topics. I think people, obviously
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Talladega was great. I think the lawsuit talk, people
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are very interested in that. You mention obviously everything
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with Hurricane Helene and you've been talking to people there.
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So I think we covered it all Rick Mass.
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So I think we should shut her down.
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Thank you everybody for for watching for commenting.
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And once we're done, they can continue to watch the show and I
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will put it on podcast. So if you like to listen on
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podcast, I'll put on podcast right when we're done, once I
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edit it up. Tennessee, Smokey says.
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Thanks guys. Thank you all for for watching
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and commenting, Rick. We'll talk to you next week,
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man. See you later.
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Alright guys, take care. Bye bye.