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A World Without God: Finding Meaning in a Society Overwhelmed by Despair · That KEVIN Show

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  Speaker 2: And it has to do with sexuality, and it has
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  Speaker 2: to do with mental wellness, mental health, mental illness, how
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  Speaker 2: we distinguish the difference between the two, and what do
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  Speaker 2: we do with all that. But it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: a fantastic and I'm feeling good about it. For another reason,
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  Speaker 2: I'm watching this afternoon the President who wanted to have
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  Speaker 2: his and I told you on the show as the
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  Speaker 2: show was ending yesterday, I told you that the news
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  Speaker 2: had broken that he was going to call a cabinet
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  Speaker 2: meeting and then we're going to have it at Camp
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  Speaker 2: David because of the impending Iran decisions that need to
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  Speaker 2: be made and actions that need to be taken. And
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  Speaker 2: it turned out that whether and other things just did
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  Speaker 2: not allow them to do that in a timely fashion,
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  Speaker 2: and so they ended up moving the cabinet meeting to
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  Speaker 2: the White House, where most cabinet meetings are held. By
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  Speaker 2: the way, President Trump has already held twelve as of today,
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  Speaker 2: twelve full cabinet meetings in which he called the entire
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  Speaker 2: cabinet together, and they're all giving reports on what they
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  Speaker 2: are responsible for. Now we're into barely what year two
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  Speaker 2: of his second term, and he's already had twelve cabinet meetings.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden didn't have six the entire first the entire
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  Speaker 2: four years he was in office, and Trump's had twelve.
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  Speaker 2: And the last one Jill was in charge of. The
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  Speaker 2: president didn't even show up. And since it's a meeting
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  Speaker 2: of the president's cabinet, I don't understand quite how that works.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, and then today and friends, I gotta say,
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  Speaker 2: I'm ashamed of myself because of this. And I wrote
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  Speaker 2: that interesting article yesterday for town Hall about the critical
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  Speaker 2: juncture between the Moorial Day holiday, which has just passed,
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  Speaker 2: and July fourth, which is coming up. And I still
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  Speaker 2: hold to the content of that piece. I believe this
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  Speaker 2: is a critical juncture for the president. But I also
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  Speaker 2: think that part of the reason why it's so critical
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  Speaker 2: is because the press has utterly failed in telling the
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  Speaker 2: story of what's going on in nearly every department of
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  Speaker 2: the cabinet. As the President was working his way down
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  Speaker 2: the table today, you know, Secretary so and so, tell
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  Speaker 2: us your report, and they would start weighing in and
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  Speaker 2: they would say, well, in the last three weeks, we've
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  Speaker 2: done this, and in the last six months, we've done this,
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  Speaker 2: and since we've been in office, we've done this. And
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  Speaker 2: every department there wasn't a one of them that didn't
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  Speaker 2: have a rather distinguished list of accomplishments that it had
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  Speaker 2: completed towards the objectives of promises being kept that the
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  Speaker 2: president had made when he was running for office. And
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  Speaker 2: you know why I'm watching this on You know why
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  Speaker 2: the Biden people never held cabinet meetings because their people
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  Speaker 2: weren't doing anything. Their people weren't getting anything done. You
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  Speaker 2: have just at the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, who
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  Speaker 2: was sitting next to the President in this particular cabinet meeting.
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  Speaker 2: He's got stuff going on in Venezuela, in Cuba, in
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  Speaker 2: other places around the globe that people don't even know
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  Speaker 2: that the State Department is busy working in continuing to
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  Speaker 2: build bridges to recently ended war countries like Azerbaijan and
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  Speaker 2: Armenia and others that have been more or less disregarded
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  Speaker 2: and forgotten by the globe, much of the rest of
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  Speaker 2: the globe. And this is all going on while as
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  Speaker 2: Secretary of War, Hegseth said, we are holding Iran accountable.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing's going in, nothing's coming out. They have no military
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  Speaker 2: They have a few missiles, but they can't make anything new.
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  Speaker 2: They have a few drones, but they can't make any
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  Speaker 2: new ones. They're navies at the bottom of the sea.
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  Speaker 2: Their air force is completely demolished. A lot of their
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  Speaker 2: missile launching sites have been taken out in recent days.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the things that Secretary Hegseth said that
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  Speaker 2: I was also very very pleased to hear is that
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  Speaker 2: as he was going around the globes sort of and
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  Speaker 2: giving the report on US military action and what's going
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  Speaker 2: on and so forth, he said, mister President, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people watching this will not know that you authorized
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  Speaker 2: the military to do what we needed to do to
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  Speaker 2: help the persecuted Christians in Nigeria, and we have added
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  Speaker 2: that support and help Nigerians Nigerian Christians are being killed
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  Speaker 2: in the thousands prior to your coming into office, but
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  Speaker 2: since you've been here, we have slowed that to almost stop,
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  Speaker 2: and we killed the number two isis leader on the planet.
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  Speaker 2: The number one isis leader in Niger, which is kind
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  Speaker 2: of the the the Fellini herdsman are basically Isis and
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  Speaker 2: they've knocked off the head and they've gone after the
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  Speaker 2: second in command. And the pressure against you know, the
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  Speaker 2: pressure that they're trying to apply to Christians to try
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  Speaker 2: to kill all the Christians has been severely muted because
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  Speaker 2: of actions that the President took to enable our military
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  Speaker 2: to give aid and assistance to those that needed it.
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  Speaker 2: And now the killing of Christians, the genocide against Christians
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  Speaker 2: in Nigeria not completely over, but making a huge difference
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  Speaker 2: in that. And that's just one thing that nobody knows
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  Speaker 2: about because the press isn't reporting on any of it.
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  Speaker 2: I pay attention if I see the word and I
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  Speaker 2: or Christian or what. I look out for that stuff,
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  Speaker 2: but even I miss a large part of it. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm the only one in all of media and all
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  Speaker 2: of talk radio and all of cable news and everywhere else,
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  Speaker 2: I'm the only one that's actually on the aggressive outlook
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  Speaker 2: for it. So I was just blown away again and
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  Speaker 2: again as they just went department by department. You would think,
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  Speaker 2: if you just listen to CBSNBC, ABC, you would think
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  Speaker 2: right now that our economy is in the tank, that
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  Speaker 2: we are struggling like you wouldn't believe, and that the
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  Speaker 2: world's about to end. What you wouldn't hear about from
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  Speaker 2: any of them is the explosion, the literal explosion of
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  Speaker 2: the development of small businesses. What you wouldn't hear anything
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  Speaker 2: about is the literal enormous growth in small businesses and
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  Speaker 2: growing from one size to the next because the success
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  Speaker 2: of what they're having. Our oil prices artificially high right
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  Speaker 2: now because of the conflict. Yes, does that impact some
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  Speaker 2: other things like groceries and other things. Yes, Will that
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  Speaker 2: go down the moment that the war is settled. Treasury
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  Speaker 2: Secretary of Scott Bennett was there and he wighed in
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  Speaker 2: and he said, yes, that's going back immediately. The other
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  Speaker 2: thing that is already starting to have effect is that
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  Speaker 2: America is supplying a lot of the oil and liquid
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  Speaker 2: natural gas that the world needs now because according to
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  Speaker 2: President Trump today, we are now doubling the output of
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  Speaker 2: Russia and Saudi Arabia combined. You take their two outputs
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  Speaker 2: on an annual basis, combine them and double that, and
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  Speaker 2: we're still outpacing that in our production of energy. And
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  Speaker 2: that does not include the millions of barrels that Venezuela
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  Speaker 2: is now sending to us under a reputable and orderly process.
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  Speaker 2: Truly amazing, truly amazing the stuff that's going on. All right,
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  Speaker 2: we've got a lot to get to. Doctor Keith Crosby
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  Speaker 2: joins me next as we ask, how.
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  Speaker 4: Do we.
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  Speaker 7: Here?
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  Speaker 1: He is from New York. That Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome, it's that Kevin Show. So glad you're
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  Speaker 2: with us. And here at this point in the broadcast,
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  Speaker 2: every day we asked the big question, how do we live?
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  Speaker 2: How do we live in the world around us? How
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  Speaker 2: do we live with the people that we live amongst
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  Speaker 2: Given the fact that so many of them in the
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  Speaker 2: culture despise God, despises word, and look upon those that
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  Speaker 2: hold those with reverence is having something wrong with them.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't change our mission, It doesn't change our purpose.
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  Speaker 2: We are still on the ultimate path of what God
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  Speaker 2: has called us to do, and that is to build
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  Speaker 2: his church, to win people to him, and to live faithfully.
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  Speaker 2: And doctor Keith Crosby is back with us. He was
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  Speaker 2: with us earlier in the year, senior pastor at Hillside
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  Speaker 2: Church in San Jose and doctor Crosby. Yesterday we started
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  Speaker 2: a new series called the Four Spiritual Lies, and number
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  Speaker 2: one was if you just had enough faith dot dot
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  Speaker 2: fill in the blank. We've all heard that, but this
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  Speaker 2: one is an interesting one today. Opposition hinders miracles. Why
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  Speaker 2: is this a lie?
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know why one on lie two or two
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  Speaker 4: sides of the same coin. One puts kind of man
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  Speaker 4: on the throne of doing miracles, a believer who, if
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  Speaker 4: they have enough faith, they could have the miracle they wanted.
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  Speaker 4: Law number two puts the unbelieverd on the throne. And
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  Speaker 4: all of this gets back to how we see God
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  Speaker 4: and how we see God effects the way we present
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  Speaker 4: him the culture, and God does not depend on us
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  Speaker 4: for miracles.
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  Speaker 8: The h.
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  Speaker 4: And Mark three three through six. Jesus is in the synagogue.
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  Speaker 4: They're waiting to see what he's going to do. They
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  Speaker 4: hate him, they want to kill him, and despite all
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  Speaker 4: of this, he's still he still heals the man with
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  Speaker 4: the withered hand. And because God is sovereign and God
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  Speaker 4: doesn't depend on us, and no one can tie God's hands.
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  Speaker 4: And when we have the wrong view of God, it
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  Speaker 4: affects everything about our witness. And this is a lie
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  Speaker 4: that the God who said let there be light doesn't.
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  Speaker 4: No one's going to stop him, you know. Neba Canezar
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  Speaker 4: and Daniel four p. Thirty five says, who can say
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  Speaker 4: to you what have you done? Who can stay your hand?
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  Speaker 4: And so we have to have a right view of God.
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  Speaker 4: And the idea that an unbeliever, it's opposition could bind
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  Speaker 4: God's hands away, some people say they can bind Satan
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  Speaker 4: is just a law.
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  Speaker 2: Where where does this line of thought come from? Is
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  Speaker 2: it out of Christian practice or traditions that this misguided
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  Speaker 2: notion came or as because I've heard so many times
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  Speaker 2: as yet it was true of yesterday's as well, people
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  Speaker 2: professing Christian faith that would argue that this would be
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  Speaker 2: something that they understood because they had been taught it.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm it doesn't seem to come from scripture. But
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  Speaker 2: where did we get it from?
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  Speaker 4: Well, we get it from a bad teaching, bad theology.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of these people are good folks. But they're
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  Speaker 4: biblically illiterate, and often their teachers are. Often there's manipulation
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  Speaker 4: involved where you have some sort of miracle worker and
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  Speaker 4: he can't reduce, so he has to blame somebody, either
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  Speaker 4: somebody's lack of faith or somebody's opposition or satanic opposition.
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  Speaker 4: But what it really comes from, and I don't want
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  Speaker 4: to be divisive, is sort of an our many in theology,
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  Speaker 4: theology that says we have something to do in our salvation,
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  Speaker 4: we have something to do and everything that goes on
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  Speaker 4: that we play a key role, and we forget that
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  Speaker 4: God works through means he can do a miracle directly,
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  Speaker 4: like the ten plagues. You know, Moses said, watch out,
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  Speaker 4: Pharaoh said, who is the Lord? That I should believe him?
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  Speaker 4: And he got ten plagues. And there's just this idea
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  Speaker 4: that God depends on us and it's a defective view
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  Speaker 4: of the doctorate of God and the sovereignty of God.
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  Speaker 9: Well, and it comes go Ahead'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I'll never forget being a student at Moody Bible Institute
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  Speaker 2: years ago and the intense discussions that would come up
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  Speaker 2: over the dinner table in the cafeteria of the Armenian
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  Speaker 2: view versus the Calvinist view of how God interacts with man.
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  Speaker 2: And for me, the Scripture consistently points to a big God,
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  Speaker 2: who is sovereign, who is in cont who has the
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  Speaker 2: ability to and does shape the patterns of history and
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  Speaker 2: the formulations of life, and everything that we think that
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  Speaker 2: God is capable of, He's fully capable of that. It
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  Speaker 2: always struck me that the view of those that would
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  Speaker 2: argue that we somehow bear a burden in our salvation
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  Speaker 2: minimized the impact of God. And it wasn't that they
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  Speaker 2: necessarily didn't view him with respect, but they didn't view
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  Speaker 2: him in the kind of awe encompassing kind of the
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  Speaker 2: way in the Old Testament the children of Israel refer
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  Speaker 2: to Yahweh like they wouldn't even pronounce his name because
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  Speaker 2: they were so in awe of who he was. They
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't write the full name in print because there was
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  Speaker 2: such deep respect for it. It is big God, little
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  Speaker 2: man versus little big man, little God, and Keith. If
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  Speaker 2: there's anything that gives me hope in life, and I
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  Speaker 2: only say this having come through many, many, many struggles
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  Speaker 2: and trials, it is that God is bigger than me,
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  Speaker 2: and he's more wise than me, and he's outside of me,
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  Speaker 2: and he's not limited by the same things that I'm
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  Speaker 2: limited by. If we can manipulate God or if we
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  Speaker 2: have the ability to impact him, that's not a very
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  Speaker 2: big God.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's a pagan view of God, you know.
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  Speaker 4: It's almost an indigenous religion view of God, where you
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  Speaker 4: do things to manipulate God to get what you want
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  Speaker 4: from God, and it's it's not Christian. A lot of
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  Speaker 4: it comes also from careless, careless missiology, where we end
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  Speaker 4: up learning more from the witch doctor than he does
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  Speaker 4: from us about the Gospel and all this just sort
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  Speaker 4: of comes home to roost. And the reason it's so
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  Speaker 4: cruel is that it gets almost weaponized for suffering people.
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  Speaker 4: A wife sits at her husband's hospital that praying for healing,
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  Speaker 4: but the skeptical doctor prevents it. That's not how it
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  Speaker 4: works a terrible That's where the lie has really terrible,
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  Speaker 4: terrible consequences.
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  Speaker 10: It crushes people well.
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  Speaker 2: And the truth is that God is so gracious and
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  Speaker 2: so good that he has allowed mankind to understand science
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  Speaker 2: and medicine to the degree that even her unbelieving doctor
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  Speaker 2: can do his will in helping that patient get well.
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  Speaker 2: To put God in that tiny bit of a box
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  Speaker 2: that to me just immediately limits God. And the God
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  Speaker 2: of the Bible is not limited. He is not contained.
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  Speaker 2: He cannot be housed inside of our understanding. Even he
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  Speaker 2: says this over and over again. But we know that
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  Speaker 2: if we know him experientially, Yeah, we're.
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  Speaker 4: Like an aunt or a flee standing before an elephant,
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  Speaker 4: and we just see a little peace of God. And
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  Speaker 4: mercifully he reveals much much more than our experiences can
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  Speaker 4: pick up and Nosaw nineteen. The heavens have declared the
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  Speaker 4: glory of God. But then it goes to the word.
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  Speaker 4: The Lord is perfect, restoring the soul. God reveals himself
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  Speaker 4: to us through his word, and he says, in his word,
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  Speaker 4: I am God, declaring the end from the beginning I
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  Speaker 4: have spoken, I will bring it in the past.
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  Speaker 9: What God wants to do, God's going to do.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's the good news right there.
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  Speaker 2: Well. The interesting thing about these four spiritual lives as
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  Speaker 2: we're looking at them, is that they could be understand
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  Speaker 2: as could be. This conversation could be understood as divisive
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  Speaker 2: if you come from a theological framework that embraces these
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  Speaker 2: as gospel truth. But what I would encourage you. Friend,
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  Speaker 2: if you're listening and you're trying to understand what Keith
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  Speaker 2: and I are talking about. It's ultimately we're trying to
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  Speaker 2: get you to the point of understanding how great and
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  Speaker 2: how vast and how undefinable the love of God, the
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  Speaker 2: sovereignty of God, the care by God, the sufficiency of
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  Speaker 2: God is. And in all of those things, Keith, that
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  Speaker 2: should drive us to our knees in gratitude every single day.
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  Speaker 2: Whether or not something happens the way I want it
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  Speaker 2: to or not is really irrelevant to the purposes of
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  Speaker 2: what God is trying to accomplish. And I think I
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  Speaker 2: mentioned this yesterday. But if Psal one fifteen three is true,
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  Speaker 2: our God is in heaven and does all that he pleases,
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  Speaker 2: which is my life verse. And you didn't even know
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  Speaker 2: that when you picked it out as the verse we
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  Speaker 2: were going to talk about this week. But if that,
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  Speaker 2: if that verse is true, then we can draw great
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  Speaker 2: comfort in the fact that He can't be manipulated by us.
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  Speaker 2: That is actually one of the best pieces of news
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  Speaker 2: we could receive as his creations, and that this is.
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  Speaker 4: What's so wonderful. He declares the end from the beginning.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we talk about praying for miracles. God is
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  Speaker 4: decided an eternity past.
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  Speaker 10: When and how He's going to perform a miracle, and.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't depend on us.
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  Speaker 4: Is this glorious God allows us to participate if we
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  Speaker 4: were to get a miracle, If we get a miracle,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm just reminded, we can't mess it up. Remember
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  Speaker 4: Moses was supposed to talk to the rock the second time,
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  Speaker 4: and it was going to bring forth water as a
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  Speaker 4: picture of Christ. And instead he strikes the rock and
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  Speaker 4: disobedience to God. He completely blows the moment, and God
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  Speaker 4: still brings forth the water. Yeah, for Israel to drink
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  Speaker 4: and die of thirst in the wilderness.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that is a powerful I've never thought of it
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  Speaker 2: in this context, but that is such a powerful example
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  Speaker 2: of how His grace and mercy exceed our effort, our
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  Speaker 2: human frailty. If you will, Doctor Keith Crosby is the
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  Speaker 2: senior pastor at Hillside Church in San Jose, California. They're
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  Speaker 2: on Hillside Avenue and we will talk more this week. Keith,
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  Speaker 2: I want to know what you're going to be teaching
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  Speaker 2: on on Sunday. I'll ask you about that tomorrow. People
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: are in the area and they want to join us.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I want to join you on Sunday morning. I will
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: encourage them to do that. But thank you for being
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  Speaker 2: with us today. We appreciate it.
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  Speaker 10: Thank you, it was a privilege.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Kevin.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Kevin McCullough coming right back. It's a great big Wednesday,
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  Speaker 2: stay hit on, stick.
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  Speaker 10: Around for more of that.
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  Speaker 11: Kevin here he is from New York.
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  Speaker 1: That Kevin. Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back, Kevin mccallaugh. Glad to have you with us
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  Speaker 2: at Kevin Show. We are talking about young people and
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: having their lives completely transformed, turned upside down in the
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  Speaker 2: best way possible through Angel Tree Camp. And it is
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: a vision of Prison Fellowship, which was started by Chuck
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  Speaker 2: Colson many years ago to not only help parents not
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  Speaker 2: be recidivists, but if they are convicted of a crime,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: actually have their lives redeemed, find Jesus, start over, begin again,
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  Speaker 2: have a new birth. I've read something about that in
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  Speaker 2: the New Testament. That's pretty biblical. But not only that,
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  Speaker 2: because of the damage that's been done to these families
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  Speaker 2: from the criminal behavior, from the activity, they want to
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  Speaker 2: help try to put these families back together again. And
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: the Angel Try program, that's really the focus of it.
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  Speaker 2: It's to make sure the kids are not forgotten by
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  Speaker 2: their parent. It's to make sure that the kids know
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  Speaker 2: that God loves them more than their parent does. And
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  Speaker 2: it's to bring together a redeemed heart in the life
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  Speaker 2: of the parent and a redeemed heart in the life
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: of the child and friends reconciliation can happen out of that,
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  Speaker 2: and this can be a family reconciliating program that just
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  Speaker 2: does a world of good, not only stopping the cycle
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  Speaker 2: of crime but going on to accomplish good things. Steve
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Collins is back with us, and Steve, you've been the
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  Speaker 2: senior camp director for Angel Tree for a while and
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  Speaker 2: I know that every kid that comes in has a story,
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  Speaker 2: but there are some that stand out, I'm sure, So
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  Speaker 2: talk to him about one that may have gotten your
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  Speaker 2: attention or tugged at your heart as it played out
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  Speaker 2: with Angel Tree camping.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you. I have one particular story that comes
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  Speaker 7: to mind. I was able last year to actually talk
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  Speaker 7: with former Angel Tree camper and he was very kind
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  Speaker 7: to let me share his story. And his name is
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  Speaker 7: Jediah and Jediah when he was a child, his father
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  Speaker 7: was incarcerated, he lived with his grandmother. The father signed
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  Speaker 7: Jediah up for Angel Tree Christmas, so Jedi was able
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: to receive that Christmas gift on behalf of his incarcerated father,
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  Speaker 7: along with the gospel message and a note from his father,
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  Speaker 7: and it helped build that connection. And then he found
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  Speaker 7: out about Angel Tree camping that he could attend camp
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  Speaker 7: on a scholarship, and so Jedia's grandmother signed him up
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: for the camp that he wanted to go to. And
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: so that was probably mid spring that he signed up
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  Speaker 7: for camp, and then tragedy struck. Jediah's father passed away
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  Speaker 7: just about a month before Jedi was scheduled to go
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  Speaker 7: to camp, and his grandmother was naturally hesitant, like should
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  Speaker 7: I still send him away to camp when his father
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  Speaker 7: just died, And Jediah shared with me his grandmother asked
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  Speaker 7: him if he if he still wanted to go to camp,
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: and and he was willing to give it a try.
• 24:28
  Speaker 7: And so during his camp week, they have actually a
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: very special time. During the camp week, they built a
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: small stone wall and all the kids at camp are
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: able to add a stone to that wall to symbolize
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  Speaker 7: something that they've lost or something that they're leaving behind
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: at camp. And so Jediah knew, you know, his big
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  Speaker 7: thing was he had lost his father, and so he
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: added a stone to that wall and he kind of
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: announced what that stone represented and shared with the people
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: around him his grief. And in that moment, he was
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  Speaker 7: able to open up and really share all of the
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  Speaker 7: pain and the heartache that he was experiencing, and this
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  Speaker 7: camp community came around him and supported him and prayed
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  Speaker 7: with him, and it was just a real breakthrough moment. Now,
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  Speaker 7: Jediah later shared with me that that week at camp
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  Speaker 7: had done more for him than months of therapy had
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: done before and after camp, because it was just a
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  Speaker 7: transformational moment for him at Camp. And so he went
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: back to camp the next year and went back again
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  Speaker 7: and is working his way up through their junior leadership
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  Speaker 7: program so that he was actually able to be a
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  Speaker 7: counselor at camp last summer. And so it's just a
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  Speaker 7: beautiful story about how camp can reach a child in
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: the deepest, darkest place and really minister the needs that
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  Speaker 7: they have.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, friends, that is a real snapshot of what
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  Speaker 2: your gift launches. Your gift is the starting point. It's
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  Speaker 2: the thing that flips the light switch on so that
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  Speaker 2: the light can come on in these kids' lives, and
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: without it, the light stays off. So that's my plea.
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  Speaker 2: Would you turn the light switch on for a child
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  Speaker 2: so that they can find Jesus this summer, just like
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  Speaker 2: Judiah did. Here's how you do it. Go to and
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  Speaker 2: we don't have a phone number that's working reliably at present,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm I'm going to ask you to disregard any
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  Speaker 2: phone number I may have mentioned in the past and
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  Speaker 2: just go to the website. And I know that some
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  Speaker 2: of you don't like to go to the website, so
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  Speaker 2: please try it anyway because it's so important that we
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  Speaker 2: do that. We do everything we can to get these
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  Speaker 2: kids there. But go to that kevinshow dot com, that
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  Speaker 2: of the page. For two hundred dollars one child can
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  Speaker 2: to camp and friends. Obviously, if you can do like
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  Speaker 2: find Jesus this summer. If you could do a multiple
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  Speaker 2: of even that you'd help even more and at the
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  Speaker 2: same time, in many instances, it did not work out
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  Speaker 2: in Judaiah's case, but in many instances you're bringing back
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  Speaker 2: together a child and a parent in a way that
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  Speaker 2: is true reconciliation. The parent is incarcerated, but this is
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  Speaker 2: a way that they can tell their child that they're loved,
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  Speaker 2: they're not forgotten, they're still remembered, and it's just so powerful.
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  Speaker 2: Please please, please go to the website that kevinshow dot
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  Speaker 2: It takes about two minutes to make that happen. And
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  Speaker 2: the top of the page. Kevin McCullough, very glad to
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  Speaker 8: The way.
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  Speaker 1: Here he is from New York. Fact Ken Kevin McCullough.
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• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Because what I want to do is I want to
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  Speaker 2: help impact the conversation that impacts the culture. And the
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  Speaker 2: more resources I can give you, whether it's my opinion
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: or whether it's things I've read or things that we're
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: talking about on the show, I feel like that's a
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: huge benefit. And doctor Chris Palmer's new book, A World
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Without God, I think, is one of those resources that
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: you need to know about. The subtitle is the Search
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: for Meaning in a Society Overwhelmed by Despair. He's a scholar, author,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: and ministry practitioner, but he's also the dean of the
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Barnett College of Ministry and Theology at Southeastern University in
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Florida formerly Southeastern Bible College in Birmingham, Alabama. If you
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: go back all the way to my dad's generation, where
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: he was an alum that's where they were located. But
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: we love what SEU is doing. Chris, welcome aboard. We
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: have some we have some crossed paths, not only with Southeastern,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: but you're also a moody guy. Where I was educated
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: theologically and you were in one of the remote campuses,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: I was actually in the Chicago campus. But it's joy
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: to have you with us. I got to ask you
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: about the the concept of your book, because every day
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I talk about what it is like for believers, for
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: people of conscience, for people of really strong belief, to
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: live in a world that is just so. I don't know,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: it's everything's a transaction. Everything is temporary. Everything you know,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: nothing is permanent. Everything seems to be in transition all
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: the time. And I think that all of that contributes
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: to what you call a society overwhelmed by despair. And
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: I don't think you have to look very far into
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: the data to see that that's the case. That we
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: don't have time to be quiet, still have meaningful relationships, conversations,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: connections with other people. And if that's true of our
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: horizontal relationship, it's got to be true of our vertical
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: relationship as well. But that's kind of my take on
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: where we are. What was the impetus for you to
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  Speaker 2: write this book?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, well thanks for having me on, Van.
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  Speaker 12: I had gotten to a place where, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 12: a millennial. So two thousand and six, social media comes out,
• 31:06
  Speaker 12: and I think everybody was wondering what's going to be
• 31:08
  Speaker 12: the long term effect of having constant exposure to constant
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  Speaker 12: information all the time. And then, you know, the iPhone
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  Speaker 12: comes out, you know, six, and we become obsessed with.
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  Speaker 9: Our screens and it's fun for a while. Nobody really
• 31:20
  Speaker 9: knows how to use it. We just start posting pictures
• 31:22
  Speaker 9: of our friends, and then social media begins to develop
• 31:25
  Speaker 9: into making short form content and reels, and then before
• 31:28
  Speaker 9: you know it, a decade later, we're glued to our
• 31:31
  Speaker 9: phones and information begins to come at us, you know,
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  Speaker 9: a lot faster than we're actually able to process it.
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: And we've seen that that sort of the way that
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: information has sped up has become very damaging to our
• 31:45
  Speaker 9: well being, our relationships, and quite frankly, our souls. And
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: I think we're starting to see more neurosis in our culture,
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: and a lot of it has to do with this modernization,
• 31:57
  Speaker 9: which is the peak of it.
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  Speaker 12: I think at this point is media AI and we're
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  Speaker 12: asking ourselves bigger questions. I think that have a lot
• 32:05
  Speaker 12: to do with meaning and purpose. I was sitting in
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  Speaker 12: my office one day and I had my own existential
• 32:10
  Speaker 12: you know, meandering about, you know, watching AI do a
• 32:13
  Speaker 12: lot of the things that I used to do, and
• 32:15
  Speaker 12: then asking myself, why do I exist?
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  Speaker 9: What is my purpose? Why am I? Why am I here?
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: You know?
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  Speaker 12: And here we are about to colonize Mars, so it said.
• 32:25
  Speaker 12: And even if we did that, what would be the point?
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  Speaker 12: What would we teach our children? What will we passed
• 32:29
  Speaker 12: on now that we've gotten to Mars? If that happens,
• 32:32
  Speaker 12: then what And so I think we're advancing in technology,
• 32:36
  Speaker 12: but we're no closer to answering questions as a society
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  Speaker 12: as to why, what's the purpose of my being? And
• 32:42
  Speaker 12: I think a lot of that despair comes out in
• 32:45
  Speaker 12: the way that people engage social media. And in the book,
• 32:48
  Speaker 12: I talk a lot about what is called gallows humor.
• 32:51
  Speaker 12: It's the despairing type of dark humor that kind of
• 32:55
  Speaker 12: boils me down to an animal empathetic and you know,
• 32:58
  Speaker 12: I've done a good job if I can get out
• 32:59
  Speaker 12: of bed in the monk Warnie, and that's about it.
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  Speaker 12: And life has become sort of passively nihilistic, quietly agnostic,
• 33:06
  Speaker 12: and we're trying to work through these challenges. And I
• 33:09
  Speaker 12: wrote the book because I wanted pastors to be aware,
• 33:11
  Speaker 12: as the ministry practitioner myself, these are the things that
• 33:14
  Speaker 12: we should be speaking to in the pulpit and around
• 33:18
  Speaker 12: those people that we have influenced with.
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  Speaker 2: Where do you see if you see a solution? Where
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: do you see that beginning, especially for the church to
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: play a role in.
• 33:27
  Speaker 12: You know, we can't live as human beings just off
• 33:31
  Speaker 12: of logic and information alone.
• 33:32
  Speaker 9: There is something profoundly human about looking to beauty. Dolcievsky said,
• 33:37
  Speaker 9: beauty will save the world. And so there's a motif
• 33:40
  Speaker 9: in the book which is a church bell, and church
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: bells call communities together around faith. And so the bell
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: had stopped ringing in the society, but there's this beautiful
• 33:50
  Speaker 9: aspect of the bell ringing again. That doesn't necessarily get
• 33:54
  Speaker 9: us out of it totally, but it brings us back
• 33:56
  Speaker 9: to the starting point the society needs to exist on,
• 33:59
  Speaker 9: and that is collect acting ourselves around faith, which provides
• 34:03
  Speaker 9: us hope and shared values. Many of which we're losing,
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: and we find ourselves in subjectivism that has brought complete
• 34:11
  Speaker 9: confusion to our society.
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  Speaker 12: And so I kind of lay that out in a
• 34:14
  Speaker 12: narrative way, but I think to answer your question most specifically,
• 34:18
  Speaker 12: it is coming back together around faith and that brings
• 34:23
  Speaker 12: us to the place where we can turn our hearts
• 34:25
  Speaker 12: and our eyes towards the living God.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I think that this is such a needed resource. And friends,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: as you're listening to Chris talk about it, the book
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: is called A World Without God, the search for meaning
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: in a society overwhelmed by despair. One of the things
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: we talk about on this show every day, Chris is
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: as answering the big question, how do I live? How
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: do I live in a culture that despises the God
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: that I worship, that really has no use for the
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: text that He's revealed himself through and kind of looks
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: at me with suspicion. If I say that I'm dependent
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: upon either of those things, it doesn't change our mission.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Our mission stays. We are the church, we are the mouthpiece,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: We're the bright light in the darkness. We can't be
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: we can't succumb to all the stuff that the world
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: does around us. Because if we do, the light goes
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: out and the Gospel is dependent upon Jesus's representatives on
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: this planet echoing that message for the for the generations
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: to come. Chris, I wish we had more time. I'm
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: out to time today, but thank you for doing this,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: and please come back. I want to have a regular
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: conversation with you about some of these issues that you raise,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: because I feel like the conversation is too important.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: Not to have.
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: Thank you for having me on, Kevin. It was a pleasure.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: You got it. Chris Palmer, Barnett College of Ministry and Theology.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: He's the dean there. Doctor Palmer also an associate professor
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: at Southeastern University in Florida. Kevin McCullough coming back, It's
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: that Kevin Show.
• 35:56
  Speaker 13: Stick around for more of that Kevin serving it up
• 36:11
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  Speaker 2: All right, Welcome back, Kevin McCalla. Final few minutes of
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  Speaker 2: this hour of that Kevin Show. And I want to
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  Speaker 2: that they live. It's terrible neighborhoods, how it's housing developments,
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  Speaker 2: Here all right, Welcome in, Kevin mccaullough. Glad to have
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• 42:25
  Speaker 2: on Wednesdays, we like to spend part of the time
• 42:28
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• 42:32
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• 42:36
  Speaker 2: of the things that I think helps us keep our
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  Speaker 2: want to say thank you to those of you that
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  Speaker 2: have helped now thirty three of the one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: sixty two kids we are trying to get to summer
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  Speaker 2: camp this summer. Thirty three of you have seen to
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  Speaker 2: it that thirty three kids will be able to spend
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  Speaker 2: this summer experiencing God, the wilderness, the outdoors, the stars,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: the fresh oxygen, the green grass under their feet, things
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  Speaker 2: that sometimes kids that grow up in the projects and
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: in low income housing don't always feel. And all the
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: kids that go, they're going to share a common life
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: experience where they all have a parent who is incarcerated
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  Speaker 2: and through no fault of the child, has made the
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: life of the child much much harder because of those
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: of that parent's actions. But those parents have tried to
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: on some level redeem what they can in prison. They've
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: completed the Prison Fellowship Bible program. They've completed that and
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: their graduation allows them to nominate their child for a
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: week of camp, for a scholarship for a week of
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: camp this summer, in which they would be taken out
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: of their sometimes very harsh and unforgiving circumstances in the
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  Speaker 2: off with, and one of them has to do with
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: the mayor in the city of New York, and one
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: of them has to do with the mayor in the
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: city of Seattle. Both of these mayors are what we
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: would say hardcore Marxists. They they do not like competitive commerce,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: they do not like a free market, they do not
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: like capitalism. They don't want people that earn what they
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: earn to be able to keep what they earn. And
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: we just heard Alexandria Ocazio Cortes say two days ago
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: that there is no way that a billionaire could ever
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: earn his way to becoming a billionaire. Now, I think
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: that's interesting from the standpoint that Alexandria Okazio Cortez grew
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: up in the shadow of New York City. New York
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: City has had several billionaires that weren't always billionaires. When
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: when Donald Trump was a young adult, his dad gave
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: him an inheritance, but it was a relatively small amount.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say, I don't even think it was
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: a million dollars that he was left initially. But what
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump did was turn that through hard work, wise investment,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: consulting people smarter than him about things. Over time, he
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: turned that into a legacy of six to seven to
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: eight to ten billion dollars. I'm not sure where he
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: is now, because the more that he had earned, the
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: more he had lost. Since going into public office, and
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I know that his overall personal wealth is lower now
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: than when he ran in twenty fifteen, but he's still
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: a billionaire by whatever measure. He's still a billionaire, and
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: he didn't start out as one. John Katzimatitis, the mogul
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: of groceries in Manhattan, Christiiti's Dagostino. He's got a thriving
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: energy company, oil business, he owns a radio station. There's
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: a number of other He develops and owns major properties,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: not just in Manhattan, but in Tampa and other sections
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: of the country as well. Well. He didn't start out
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: a billionaire. He started out as a grocery store stock boy.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: So I don't know what AOC is smoking. But most
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: billionaires didn't start out as billionaires. So they did literally
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: earn their way to getting to billionaire status. That she
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: doesn't like that that's too bad, But she thinks that
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: because of that, because she thinks that her theory holds
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: that you couldn't have earned you, so somebody had to cheat,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: somebody had to do something that was illegal. I guess
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: that's what she's trying to say. She said that billionaire's
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: taxes should not be an issue because these people didn't
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: really earn it anyway. That's what former President Obama used
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: to say. He said that to small business owners, you
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: didn't build that. But I want to talk about these
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: two specific stories because those of you living in New
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: York you'll remember that just a few weeks ago, Mayor
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Mumdanni mugged for the camera and shot this really what
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: he thought was a cute tongue in cheek ad where
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: he is in front of billionaire Ken Griffin's private residence
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: and he he he basically outs him, he docses him
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: on the commercial. Well, turns out maum Donnie has needed
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: to talk to Ken Griffin a couple of times, or
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: so he thought, in the last few months since the
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: ad has been running, and mysteriously, Ken Griffin is not
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: returning his call. He's not acknowledging Mayor Mumdanni's existence, and
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: why would he. Ken Griffin's a guy that worked for
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: what he achieved, and here he has a guy who
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: was living in rent controlled housing before you he got elected,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: telling the world that they're going to stick to the
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: guy that actually earned it and grew it and built it.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: If I was kind Griffin, I wouldn't talk to Hermia.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: And then you've got the.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Sad case of the mayor in Seattle, where Seattle residents
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: there are literally having to build barricades to combat crime,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: and now they're demanding action. But this mayor when she ran,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: she was pro let the criminals. We're not going to
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: prosecute them. We're going to stay out of their life.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: We're going to try to make life better for them.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Really stupid foolishness. And both of these mayors behaving this
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: way because of the ideology of Marxism, which basically says
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: there's no such thing as private property, there's no such
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: thing as human dignity, there's no such thing as human individuality.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: They're finding out that their voters don't agree with Calvin
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: McCullough still have a big hour straight ahead, don't.
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  Speaker 7: Here.
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  Speaker 11: He is from New York.
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  Speaker 1: That Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. It's that Kevin Show, that kevinshow
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  Speaker 2: us into your life and for letting us be part
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: of the conversation each day. And one of the things
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: that I am really dedicated to here is not just
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: talking about the top headline of the day, but also
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: getting into the nitty gritty stuff that affects us in
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: ways beyond just politics or the top headlines. And on
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Wednesdays we oftentimes take a look at areas of health,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: areas of life that we need to preserve wellness in
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: And in the month of May, which is Mental Health
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Awareness Month, a new national poll was conducted that showed
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: that voters across the political spectrum so this is bipartisan,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: are very aware that the current system is failing people,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: especially with serious mental illness, and they want policymakers to
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: do something about this. Just this last weekend, you had
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: a guy that was at the edge of the boundary
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: of the White House who was firing shots at the
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: White House from a gun and he had to be
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: put down by Secret Service for the safety of all involved.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: And when they discovered his identity and who he was,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: he was not only someone who had a troubled criminal past,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: but he had a troubled mental illness consistency throughout his
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: life as well. So how do you approach any of this, Well,
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: there's lots of different people in different areas that have
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: had lots of different ideas but I'm really interested in
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: speaking with my next guest, doctor Tim Murphy, who has
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: authored The Christ Cure, Ten Biblical Ways to Heal from Trauma,
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Tragedy and PTSD. Tim, it's good to have you on
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: the show. Thanks for being here.
• 52:57
  Speaker 10: Well, absolutely, thank you so much for having me.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: When we talk about mental illness specifically, even like the
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: case of the shooter in Washington, as a doctor, as
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: a psychologist, as a mental health advocate, what goes through
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: your mind when you see these headlines, because we see
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: them more and more often.
• 53:13
  Speaker 8: Now, Well, there's a couple of aspects this and that
• 53:15
  Speaker 8: is what is mental health and what is mental illness?
• 53:18
  Speaker 8: And then with mental illness you also have the spectrum
• 53:20
  Speaker 8: that goes all the way up to serious and debilitating
• 53:24
  Speaker 8: severe mental illness for some folks. But the problem really
• 53:28
  Speaker 8: began decades ago when the federal government at stake coverments
• 53:31
  Speaker 8: decided they were not going to be involved in the
• 53:35
  Speaker 8: treatment of the seriously severe mental ill and closing down
• 53:40
  Speaker 8: all these institutions and places of the hospitals, instead setting
• 53:44
  Speaker 8: limits in order to save money and keep people out
• 53:46
  Speaker 8: of hospitals, I mean literally for those two reasons.
• 53:48
  Speaker 10: One, the idea of saving money. When you have large.
• 53:52
  Speaker 8: Institutions that thousands of people in them, and every city
• 53:54
  Speaker 8: in America knows this, they can name some place used
• 53:58
  Speaker 8: to be there, they decided to shut them down. So
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: what the federal government did is they said we're going
• 54:02
  Speaker 8: to restrict the number of beds in a psychiatric unit
• 54:06
  Speaker 8: to just sixteen. So you at hospitals that had literally
• 54:09
  Speaker 8: thousands of people in them and now it's sixteen.
• 54:11
  Speaker 10: And where did they go.
• 54:13
  Speaker 8: I heard claims like, oh, well they'll be taking care
• 54:15
  Speaker 8: of they'll be fine. Well they many of them men
• 54:17
  Speaker 8: that are pumus. Some did go to other treatment, many
• 54:20
  Speaker 8: of they ended up in jail. And the idea of
• 54:23
  Speaker 8: somehow helping to reduce the problem is it didn't. It's
• 54:29
  Speaker 8: much like saying, well, the way to reduce cancer is
• 54:31
  Speaker 8: we're going to cut the number of beds in an
• 54:33
  Speaker 8: oncology hospital. We just won't have one. But that's a
• 54:35
  Speaker 8: similar thing. There's a brain disease. These serious problems, they
• 54:39
  Speaker 8: don't just go away by ignoring them. And so those
• 54:41
  Speaker 8: are the ones that grab the headlines. Separate from mental health,
• 54:44
  Speaker 8: I mean, we all want to have levels of mental health.
• 54:46
  Speaker 10: How we cope with life. The stresses of life.
• 54:48
  Speaker 8: We can flourish despite our problems or have happiness.
• 54:52
  Speaker 10: Those are mental health issues. But when it.
• 54:53
  Speaker 8: Comes to mental illness is an area quite frankly, we
• 54:56
  Speaker 8: have neglected too much.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: The thing about what you just and I agree with you.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: And here in New York we have a specifically egregious
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: example because when Mayor Giuliani was in office, and I
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: think the Bloomberg administration continued this policy, but he had
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: a very kind of strict and I felt it was
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: a very compassionate outlook on the welfare of the city
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: and if there was if there were homeless that were
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: on the streets at night, he would send people and
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: have them do all that we could to get them
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: into shelters, to get them into places where they could
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: have some degree of care. Now, that doesn't begin to
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: address the mental health issue. But when Deblasio came into office,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: the opposite happened, and it was almost as though he
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: was proud to say, Hey, look at all the people
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: that we have living on the streets, and isn't this
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: a good thing? And I think that when you're talking
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: about caring truly about what's best for people, sometimes it's
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: not what they think that they want. It's what is
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: objectively what is best for them, And it sounds like
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: that this is the approach that the government has not
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: chosen to take with those who suffer with mental instability.
• 56:15
  Speaker 10: It's a great point. It's a really misplaced compassion.
• 56:20
  Speaker 8: And with the idea of being a well if people
• 56:23
  Speaker 8: don't want to get medical care or psychondo creement, we
• 56:27
  Speaker 8: shouldn't be forcing on them. So let's look at this.
• 56:31
  Speaker 8: Let's use our cancer example again. So if someone is
• 56:33
  Speaker 8: in stage four cancer and the doctor says, well, you know,
• 56:36
  Speaker 8: it is very serious and we could try chemotherapy and
• 56:39
  Speaker 8: other things and probably buy you a couple more years
• 56:41
  Speaker 8: of life with your cancer, or some months, what do
• 56:44
  Speaker 8: you want to do. And if a patient says, look,
• 56:47
  Speaker 8: I've lived a good life, don't spend all my family's
• 56:49
  Speaker 8: money and let me just kind of enjoy the days
• 56:52
  Speaker 8: i've left and move on. Sometimes people do that, and
• 56:54
  Speaker 8: other times people say I want the care now. It's
• 56:56
  Speaker 8: very different with someone who may be psychotic or schizophrenic
• 56:59
  Speaker 8: or severe bipolar, because part of the condition is that
• 57:03
  Speaker 8: they don't know that they're sick, and they don't know
• 57:05
  Speaker 8: that they don't know that they're sick, similar to someone
• 57:08
  Speaker 8: with Alzheimer's disease. The condition is called anasignosium, which means
• 57:11
  Speaker 8: they're not self aware. So if a person is not
• 57:14
  Speaker 8: aware that they're ill and not taking care of themselves,
• 57:18
  Speaker 8: how can they possibly be seen as responsible decision makers.
• 57:23
  Speaker 8: They're not competent to make a decision on their own
• 57:25
  Speaker 8: right now to those conditions. In some places they'll actually
• 57:28
  Speaker 8: appoint someone who is a guardian of themer have to
• 57:30
  Speaker 8: make decisions. But when they say let them live on
• 57:33
  Speaker 8: the streets, it almost reminds me of Marie Antoinette' quote
• 57:36
  Speaker 8: let them eat cake, Well, they don't live in a house, well,
• 57:39
  Speaker 8: and let them live on the streets.
• 57:40
  Speaker 10: And Mayor Mandannia said the same thing recently.
• 57:43
  Speaker 8: As I understand that they want to live in tents
• 57:46
  Speaker 8: on the streets, that's their choice. That's their choice because
• 57:49
  Speaker 8: that's all they know, and they don't trust people, and
• 57:51
  Speaker 8: in their own paranoia and anosignosia, they don't know what
• 57:53
  Speaker 8: else to do. And even if you just give them
• 57:57
  Speaker 8: a little medication that wears often a few days or
• 58:00
  Speaker 8: that's not enough.
• 58:01
  Speaker 10: People need to wrap around care and.
• 58:03
  Speaker 8: It's extremely expensive to not do, extremely expensive to not
• 58:07
  Speaker 8: do anything. It's much less expensive to do the right
• 58:11
  Speaker 8: thing and to help people with this. So it is
• 58:13
  Speaker 8: this misplaced compassion that is just wrong. And people say, well,
• 58:18
  Speaker 8: I don't want to interfere with their lives. Let them
• 58:20
  Speaker 8: make whatever decision they want. They're not competent. That's like
• 58:22
  Speaker 8: asking a three year old to make a decision and
• 58:25
  Speaker 8: they can't.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Well, they just don't have the capacity to do. So, Okay,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: the christ Cure, what's the concept, what's the argument? And
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: give us an example of what you mean.
• 58:37
  Speaker 8: Well, The Christy Care is a book I wrote dealing
• 58:39
  Speaker 8: with trauma. So I had also served in the Navy
• 58:42
  Speaker 8: and dealt with a lot of folks with traumatic brain
• 58:44
  Speaker 8: injuries and with who dealt with trauma. And I know
• 58:47
  Speaker 8: that as people go through trauma recovery, and about seventy
• 58:50
  Speaker 8: five percent of the population will have trauma sometimes their
• 58:53
  Speaker 8: life that's really earth shattering and changing and it takes
• 58:57
  Speaker 8: some work to move on from that. Many people book
• 59:00
  Speaker 8: can process that, can talk it over and do better.
• 59:03
  Speaker 8: But at ten to twenty percent we have lingering symptoms,
• 59:06
  Speaker 8: which means they have prompts with sleep, break down in
• 59:08
  Speaker 8: social relationships, flashbacks of the trauma incident, they avoid other
• 59:13
  Speaker 8: people and things too, so it really becomes debilitating.
• 59:16
  Speaker 10: For their life.
• 59:17
  Speaker 8: Well, there's counseling that can help with someone with that,
• 59:20
  Speaker 8: but what happens is people who have faith and religious
• 59:24
  Speaker 8: practice actually do much better, a much better prognosis and healing. So,
• 59:28
  Speaker 8: as I was putting together this book, and to be honest,
• 59:30
  Speaker 8: I'm no biblical scholar, having gone through some of my
• 59:32
  Speaker 8: own traumas, I just began writing every day and didn't stop.
• 59:37
  Speaker 10: And this is what came out.
• 59:37
  Speaker 8: And I noticed that Biblically, people like the apostle Paul,
• 59:41
  Speaker 8: who had terrible traumas, beaten with rods three times, given
• 59:43
  Speaker 8: thirty nine lasses five times, stoned and left for dead
• 59:47
  Speaker 8: on a ship at sea for two weeks, flowering around
• 59:51
  Speaker 8: floating on a piece of wood for a day and
• 59:53
  Speaker 8: a half, bitten by a poison snake, imprisoned, all those things.
• 59:56
  Speaker 8: I'm taking this man should have had overwhelming PTSD.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 10: But he didn't. And what was it about him?
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 8: So I began to study he and other people in
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 8: the Bible as well who have suffered from medous trauma
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 8: but came out stronger. Joe, being one of the more
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 8: famous ones, had everything taken away, but his faith remained.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 8: And I looked at this in the nexus of what
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 8: we know in more modern psychology of what it takes
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 8: for someone to heal, and there's key elements to talk
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 8: about it, to work it with someone, don't go alone,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 8: to have a strong faith, to take responsibility for what
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 8: you have done, but don't take responsibility for what you
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 8: haven't done. Shame is overwhelming, that is no place here.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 8: Feeling guilt about some things you've done wrong, Okay, go
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 8: back and heal from that. But forgiveness is a very
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 8: important part. Hope is a very important part. And those
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 8: are the elements that come with someone's religious faith, not
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 8: just a spiritual cosmic thing, but really practicing religion. And
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 8: so the biblical principles mixed with these other things is
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 8: what the book is about. I sort of referred to
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 8: it as a handbook for.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 10: The broken and those who love them. I feel very.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 8: Strongly work with lots and lots of people of the time,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 8: and I know that if we just give up and
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 8: stop trying to heal, we stopped growing. But where there
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 8: is hope, there's help, And where there's help, there's hope.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 10: I love them here and see that going there.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: I love that more of Tim Murphy's stuff is at
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: doctor Tim Murphy dot com and you can go there
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: to see it, and you can also get the book
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: The Christ Cure, Ten Biblical Ways to Heal from Trauma,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: Tragedy and PTSD. And I would strongly, based on Tim's
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: description just now talk about it, I would recommend it tremendously. Tim.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: I want to have you back and I want to
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: delve deeper into this in the days to come. Thank
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: you for spending some time with us today.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 10: Thank you. I'm wonderful day and God bless you.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Kevin McCullough coming right back from New York.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Don't go away, Let's stick around for more of that Kevin.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 11: Next here he is from New York.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: That Kevin, Kevin McCullough, welcome back.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Is that Kevin show that kevinshow dot Com. Grateful to
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: have you with us. We never put anything behind the
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: paywall because we want you to have access to all
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: of it, because we want to impact how you think
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: and help you think more clearly, and help you have
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: resources to help others think more clearly. Because I feel
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: like clarity is one of those virtues that kind of
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: surpasses everything else. If you can be clear about truth
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: in your own life, for yourself, there's a lot that
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: you can do to impact the world around you. And
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: that's probably one of the messages that's going to be
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: reiterated many, many times at the upcoming educator summit for
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: the Turning Point Education Division. We spoke with huts Hertzburg
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: last week, and Scott Phelps joins us this week. He
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: is part of the Success Sequence program teaching abstinence until
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: marriage and Scott is a longtime friend. In fact, when
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: I was just a local host in Chicago a long
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: time ago, Scott, I think you were. I think I
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: was producing for Sandy Rios.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: You were, you're producing for Sandy Rios, and then you
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 6: had your own show, and I was on Sandy's show
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 6: and your show.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I moved to New York and your
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: daughter worked for our radio station.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: You've just known each other forever. So thank you for
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: all that you've done. And I think the importance of
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: this summit, and if you want to know more about it,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: it's Turning Pointed dot com. Turning point Ed. You could
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: think about it like that way, Turning Pointed dot Com
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  Speaker 2: I think that when you're talking about education reform, and
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: I've been approached in recent weeks by you know, homeschool
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: groups and charter school groups and people that are working
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: hard to reform classrooms and teachers unions and all kinds
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: of things. I'm not a this is how it should
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: be done to the exclusion of everything else, and one
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: size fits all for everybody. I've never thought that, partly
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: because my own educational path went through public school with
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: the Christian school experience that wasn't that good homeschool experience
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: for a couple of years, and then eventually back into
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: the Christian school system when my mom was contracting cancer
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: and she actually ended up dying my junior year of
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: high school. But this is what I say on the
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  Speaker 2: show all the time. It is not the teacher's responsibility,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: It is not the school distruct responsibility. It is not
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: anybody else's responsibility to see to it that your children
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: are properly educated. It is your responsibility. And if they're
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: in the public school classroom, then you know what they're
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: being taught, and you were engaging that and you're talking
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: about it and you're flushing it out with them. But
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: if they're in your home. You're doing in your home.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: You gotta do the same thing. So having said that,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: what I like about Turning Points program is that it
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: looks like what you guys are going to do here
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks is have resources available for
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: people that span the gamut, so educators, parents, pastors, Christian educators,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: public school educators, wherever you are on the spectrum, there's
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: going to be encouragement, instruction, motivation, challenge that's going to
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: help you in the process. Is that am I misreading that?
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 6: No, it's absolutely that's absolutely right. And you've probably seen
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 6: the list of speakers, Kevin, twenty eight speakers.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: I mean it's amazing.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: Blowhearts like Al Mohler.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 6: You know, they've got al Mohler and John Stone Street
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: and Megan Basham, Riley Gaines, Erica Kirk, Congressman Mary Miller,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 6: she's fantastic. Hertzberg will be one of the speakers, Irwin Lutzer, JOHNA.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Montacutels, Scott it's going to be Seriously, it is really.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 6: Going to be great. And they said, the thing I
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: want to point out about I love Turning Point Education.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 6: I have told Hatts, who's a good friend you know
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: if I wasn't doing what I was doing now, I
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 6: would want to be doing what he is doing. I
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 6: think it's absolutely fundamental. It's the educational system in America
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 6: absolutely needs to be over and Turning Point Education is
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: on mission, right, that is their primary mission is to
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 6: revive the American educational system and bring it back to
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 6: its roots and God honoring and putting God at the
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 6: center of everything that we're doing with our kids.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Because you think about what the kids are suffering through.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 6: You hear all this stuff about mental illness, right and
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 6: depression and suicide and all of that, and well, of
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 6: course we shouldn't be surprised at that, right, We've removed
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: God from the center of culture, from the center of education,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 6: and our kids are lost. And so I love the
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 6: theme of this conference. It's called Courage and our Convictions
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 6: Cultivating clarity in chaos, Kevin.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: That's what they need.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 6: They need clarity in the chaos, right, And that's what
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: Turning Point Education is all about. That's what our ministry
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 6: is all about. That's why we partner with Turning Point.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 6: We're privileged and thrilled the partnering with Turning Point. We
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: have since they began and you know, Charlie was so good.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 6: I think one of the reasons, Kevin, why Charlie impacted
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 6: so many people is just what you were saying just
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 6: a moment ago, the clarity of truth. He was so
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 6: good at cutting through the noise and lifting up the
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 6: truth with clarity. And so that's what this conference is all.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: About, doing it in a winsome way.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Now, Scott, there's some people in our listening audience and
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: viewership that would say, I don't understand what what do
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: you mean in classical education? How would you how would
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: how would you term that for someone that's listening today
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: for the first time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's going back to our roots.
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  Speaker 6: I think it is teaching, you know, classical classical education
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 6: is going to focus on the great literature, the great
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 6: you know, Western culture and Western civilization and the roots
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 6: of our.
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  Speaker 1: Of our founding.
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  Speaker 6: Really and and I love the programs that they have,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: Who've got great curriculum that they recommend and provide for
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 6: schools that is going to go over the you know,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: basic civics and education and the founding of our country
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 6: and how it all began. And I think that's it's
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 6: really critical. You know, kids don't know history anymore. No,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 6: and when you don't know history, that's where you get
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 6: lost in the weeds.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: I think so much of the drift of our.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 6: Young generation is because they haven't been properly rooted in
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 6: a classical education with a historical perspective, with the great literature.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's what we've got to get back to
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: that thought.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break, and when we
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: come back, I want to talk a little bit about
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: how the abstinence discussion plays in all of this good
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: because certainly sex education is something that has been never
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: lessened in public mind than it is today, and we're
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: gonna talk about that when we continue. He's Scott Phelps,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: I'm Kevin McCollough. If you want more information, it's Turning
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: point Ed dot com, Turning Pointeed dot com.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Here he is from New York. That Kevin, Kevin McCullough.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to that Kevin Show. Kevin MCCULLOUGHY had you
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: with us coming up June sixteenth through the nineteenth. In
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: the Chicago suburb of Lincolnshire, which is just outside of
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: O'Hare Airport, The Marriott Lincolnshire Resort is there. That's where
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: this fifth annual Turning Point Education Summit is going to
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: take place, and again, if you are anywhere on the
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: educational spectrum in terms of a teacher, an administrator, a pastor,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: a parent, someone who's concerned about or just investigating curriculum
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: ideas and other things to try to implement into your
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: child's experience, or maybe a classroom that you have stewardship of,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: this conference is for you. And they have done the ridiculous,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: the silly thing, only making it a fifty dollars ticket
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: for you to go, and they've even underwritten most of
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: your room. The hotel room is seventy dollars a night.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: It's normally over two hundred a night for the resort.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: So would you go to turningpointad dot com, hold your spot,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: get your room, and to make plans to be in
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: Chicago June sixteenth through the nineteenth for the Turning Point
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: USA Education Summit, the fifth annual one that they've done,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: first one that we've been a part of here at
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: that Kevin Show. But very very glad too, Scott Phelpstree
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: joins us. Scott, there's been nothing that you and I
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: in our discussions on air over the years have tracked
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: more heatedly than the role that sex education plays in education.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: And now that I'm a parent and I have kids
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: going through those grades, and by the way, the mccallaugh
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: kids are all in public schools. But we have those conversations,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: and we also are blessed in the district that we
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: live in, have a number of believers that work in
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: the school district, and so there's there's a balance there
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: where we've chosen to go down this path. Again, not
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: for everybody, but it kind of regardless of where you're at,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: you're going to confront sex education, and the message that
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: most of those programs are going to give kids is
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: not wait until marriage. It's going to be something other
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: than that. With the success Sequence program, you actually make
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: the argument that absence until marriage is the way to go.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Why is that? Why is that your message? Why is
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: that important in this you know, the twenty twenty six
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  Speaker 2: that we live in.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so critical and fits right in with the theme
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: of this conference that you're just talking about now, learning
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 6: education from it, cultivating clarity in chaos. Oh my goodness,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 6: that's where our kids are at right They are just
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 6: getting pounded by messages all the messages that they receive
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 6: regarding sex.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: Think about it this way. I like to put it
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: this way.
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  Speaker 6: Think about all the messages and imagery that our kids
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: receive about sex today through the media, through their phones,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 6: through their televisions, their tablets, their computers, all the images
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: that they see. It's not just that our kids are
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 6: exposed to sexual.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Imagery at earlier and earlier ages. But think about this, Kevin.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 6: How much of the sex that our kids are exposed
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 6: to clearly communicates to them the value of sex within
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  Speaker 6: the context of marriage.
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  Speaker 2: None.
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  Speaker 1: And it just isn't there. It just isn't there.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 6: And then you say, well, hold on a minute, maybe
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 6: the schools are helping out. Unfortunately, Unfortunately, what most people
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 6: will be unaware of, Kevin, is that planned parenthood is
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 6: not only the largest provider of abortions in America, they
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 6: are also not coincidentally, the largest provider of sex education
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 6: in American schools. Think about that for a minute, and
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 6: so planned parenthood, sex education is the fundamental primary message
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 6: that our kids receive in school today. You don't have
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 6: to have planned parent would come into your school. It's
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 6: what they learn and teach your school. It's the fundamental
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 6: message that most schools across the nation teach. It's basically
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 6: contraceptive education. It's here's all the different types of contraception
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: you're going to be that you're going to need because
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 6: we know you're all going to be having the sex,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 6: and there's no reference to marriage whatsoever.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: We exist to flip the script on that.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 6: We believe it's not enough for us Kevin to go
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 6: to schools and say stop stop giving kids condoms, stop
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 6: putting girls on birth control pills starting in middle school,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 6: stop doing all these bad It's not enough for us
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 6: to be against that. We have to provide the alternative.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 6: And so what the success Egens program is. It's an
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 6: alternative to schools to say, hey, listen, here's something that
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: you can teach kids that's healthy and wholesome and helpful
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 6: and gives them a clear pathway forward in life.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: The success sequence you're familiar with is three things.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: Get an education, get a job, and then marry before
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 6: or having children. Students who do those three things, it's
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 6: almost impossible for them to fall into poverty, on food stamps,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 6: on well for government dependency of any kind.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: So we can benefit our.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 6: Kids just by teaching them the success sequence and then
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 6: we're gonna include with that message a clear message of
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: reserving all sexual activity and child bearing for the context
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 6: of marriage. We want to help young people understand that
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 6: by resisting sexual pressure, they're going to be much more
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 6: inclined to focus on their academics.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: They're going to do well.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 6: It's going to help them prepare well for future education,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 6: future marriage, and family. So it's absolutely fundamental, which is
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 6: why we fit so well with what the Turning Point
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 6: Education Summit is all about. It's about equipping parents and
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 6: educators with good quality, wholesome classical education, good messaging, and boy,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: they've brought in all the experts for it, and we're
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 6: just we're just thrilled to be a part of it.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So, friends, I hope that this and this
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  Speaker 2: is one little tiny peak at what you're going to
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  Speaker 2: get at the Turning Point Annual Educators Summit June sixteenth
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  Speaker 2: through the nineteenth. It's at the Marriotte Lincolnshire Resort in Lincolnshire,
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  Speaker 2: Illinois's just outside of the Chicago Hair Airport, and the
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  Speaker 2: rooms are largely underwritten. The cost of the conference is
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  Speaker 2: largely underwritten. You're not going to get this ticket for
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  Speaker 2: this price. Anywhere else and come anywhere close to the
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  Speaker 2: quality of what you're going to have. Please make please
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  Speaker 2: make y.
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  Speaker 6: Can I say one thing about that, Keviny, it's incredible.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, first of all, people need to know Lincoln
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  Speaker 6: marriott Shire is a beautiful resort, golf course, wedding venue.
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  Speaker 1: It's this isn't just some hotel. It's a beautiful place.
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  Speaker 6: And because of their donors, Turning Plant has some wonderful,
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  Speaker 6: faithful donors. Seventy five dollars a night for a room
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  Speaker 6: at a beautiful resort is crazy stuff them and.
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  Speaker 2: It's only fifty dollars for the coffer the night regularly, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: what's that? So these rooms are regularly two to three
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  Speaker 2: hundred dollars a night.
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  Speaker 6: At least at least it's beautiful, So I would encourage
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  Speaker 6: you to come. The speakers are terrific. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 6: it's a who's who of speakers. It's a wonderful lineup
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  Speaker 6: and at a beautiful place. You're gonna love it. Oh
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  Speaker 6: and the other thing I wanted to mention is today
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  Speaker 6: is the last day for that room rate. That's seventy
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  Speaker 6: five dollars room rate. They need to register today, So really,
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  Speaker 6: important that they get online at turningpoint Ed dot com
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  Speaker 6: today and get registered because that is the deadline for
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  Speaker 6: that room block. It's seventy five dollars in it is today,
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  Speaker 6: so I really want to encourage people to get on
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  Speaker 6: there and get that room.
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  Speaker 1: So turning this is excellent.
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  Speaker 2: Ed dot com. Turning point Ed dot com then make
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  Speaker 2: plans June sixteenth through the nineteenth as we are heading
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  Speaker 2: into summer. Scott Phelps, thank you for all that you do.
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  Speaker 1: So good to see you. Kevin, thank you so much,
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  Speaker 1: appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: You got it. Kevin mccallaugh coming back from New York.
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  Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere.
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  Speaker 13: Let's stick around for more of than Kevin next serving
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  Speaker 13: it up with a no drink minim. It's that Candem.
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  Speaker 2: Show, all right, friends, Cavin mccallaugh, glad to have you
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  Speaker 2: with us. Just a few minutes left in today's show.
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  Speaker 2: And I just want to reiterate what I said earlier.
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  Speaker 2: If there are five of you that will stand with
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  Speaker 2: us today, that will say I am not going to
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  Speaker 2: let these precious kids who have nothing working in their favor.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have a stable home life, they don't have
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  Speaker 2: two parents that aren't in prison, they don't have so
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  Speaker 2: much in life they are robbed of and yet they
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  Speaker 2: have this. They have all of this in common. They
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  Speaker 2: have a parent who's in prison, who has gone through
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  Speaker 2: the Bible Study program for Angel Tree Prison Fellowship and
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: in prison for the prison Fellowship Angel Tree Program. Once
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  Speaker 2: they've completed it, they have asked, They've been given the opportunity,
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  Speaker 2: and they have requested, they have nominated if you will,
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  Speaker 2: their child to be allowed to go to a prison
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  Speaker 2: Fellowship Angel Tree camp this summer in all fifty states,
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  Speaker 2: for the one closest to them to be able to
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  Speaker 2: go to an angel Tree camp this summer, so that
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  Speaker 2: they can experience Jesus, so that their child can know
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  Speaker 2: the God who made them, so that they can begin
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  Speaker 2: to learn about how God loves them and why it's
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  Speaker 2: so important. And friends, my earnest pleading with you is
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  Speaker 2: that today we would help at least five children, that
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  Speaker 2: five of you would be courageous enough to say, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to care about these kids that nobody else cares about.
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  Speaker 2: The rest of the world has given up on them.
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  Speaker 2: Their parents are in prison, They're getting what their family deserves.
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  Speaker 2: That's how everybody else thinks about it. We as followers
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  Speaker 2: of Jesus, we should be thinking about it from the
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  Speaker 2: perspective of what is Jesus want for these kids?
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  Speaker 10: What if?
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  Speaker 2: What if one of them turns out to be the
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  Speaker 2: Billy Graham of his generation? What if one if one
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  Speaker 2: of these Angel Tree kids this year finds Jesus and
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  Speaker 2: spends eternity in Heaven in ways that they don't even
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  Speaker 2: understand or realize could be possible. Now, friends, it's so vital,
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  Speaker 2: and that's why I put the challenge out there. I
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  Speaker 2: will match the first five children that we send to
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  Speaker 2: camp today at eight eight eight two o six two
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  Speaker 2: seven ninety four. I'm going to match you child for child. Personally,
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  Speaker 2: I need five of you to go and say, take
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  Speaker 2: a name off the list. I'm taking care of that
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  Speaker 2: child's scholarship to camp. The only way these kids get
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  Speaker 2: to camp is through scholarships because they don't have money,
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  Speaker 2: and Angel Tree understands how expensive camping is. If you
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  Speaker 2: go to a commercial camp, you're paying five one hundred
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  Speaker 2: to one thousand dollars for the week of sleep away camp.
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  Speaker 2: For that kid, they're doing it for two hundred dollars
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  Speaker 2: per child in all fifty states. Kids whose parents are incarcerated,
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  Speaker 2: who under no fault of the child at all, find
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  Speaker 2: themselves living in a situation that's horrible. You rescue them
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  Speaker 2: out of that. You take them to the beautiful outdoors.
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  Speaker 2: They ride a horse, they swim, They learn about Jesus,
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  Speaker 2: They open their Bible, They begin a relationship with him.
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  Speaker 2: They make friends with other kids that have had similar
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  Speaker 2: circumstances when they wrote when they show up thinking nobody's
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  Speaker 2: going to like them because their parents are in prison. Friends,
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  Speaker 2: this is such unadulterated good. How can we not help?
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  Speaker 2: How can we not help when the future the salvation
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  Speaker 2: of these children hang in the balance. Friends, my plea
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  Speaker 2: with you is, will you join me in this effort
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  Speaker 2: and I will put my money where my mouth is.
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  Speaker 2: I need five people to stand up and say, yeah, us,
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  Speaker 2: we will help a child today. Kevin, We've we've been
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  Speaker 2: listening to you for the first three days. Now it's
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  Speaker 2: time to take action. When we're ready to go. Friends,
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  Speaker 2: there's one hundred and sixty two kids on my list.
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  Speaker 2: I want all of them to be sent to Angel
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  Speaker 2: Tree Camp this summer. Please help eight eight eight two
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  Speaker 2: click the banner at the top of the page, that
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  Speaker 2: kevinshow dot com. Click the banner at the top of
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  Speaker 2: the page. For Angel Tree Camping and Prison Fellowship do
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