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Patriots Unfiltered 6/6: Everything that stood out at Tuesday's OTA, Latest DeAndre Hopkins rumors · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 6: I know you love to Let's not be afraid.
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  Speaker 5: First. First, I could do better than Margaret Jackson.
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  Speaker 1: What would you think about on Thursday night games only
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  Speaker 4: in my office.
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  Speaker 1: Monkey it's like he had a good bounce and a step.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and she's engaged, and I mean none of the
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  Speaker 6: stuff from last year. But I wrote Paul wrote it too,
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  Speaker 4: Seems like a bit of a shot there.
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  Speaker 1: This is Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 1: at Gillette Stadium.
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  Speaker 4: What day is it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's Tuesday gloom and we had an
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  Speaker 1: ot A with access today, but it was a scale
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  Speaker 1: down O t A. But I'm I trust that you
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  Speaker 1: guys have some good observations. It's Deuce, it's Evan, it's Paul, myself,
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  Speaker 1: faith in the booth, a lot of trust. We have
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  Speaker 1: faith that the show will happen.
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  Speaker 6: You gotta have faith.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, So we had Belichick press conference and
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  Speaker 1: then we had Ota. What are your opening thoughts on
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  Speaker 1: what you saw today?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I said to Paul right before as we were
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  Speaker 6: sitting down for the press conference, and where we're going
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  Speaker 6: to get access on Friday too, I said, one of
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  Speaker 6: these practices is going to be a nothing. And this
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  Speaker 6: wasn't quite a nothing, Like there was a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: It wasn't a little.
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  Speaker 1: More than I thought.
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  Speaker 6: All right, maybe it was a little nothing, but not
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  Speaker 6: not a lot. Being mean, Bill said, it's going to
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  Speaker 6: be a dial back day. We did a lot yesterday,
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  Speaker 6: We ran a lot of plays. We feel like we
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  Speaker 6: got a lot of good work in after the long weekend,
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  Speaker 6: and you know, today we're just gonna go slow. There
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  Speaker 6: was one time we heard him, you know, saying walk through,
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  Speaker 6: you know, speed so but there were still some fireworks
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  Speaker 6: and uh, you know, I thought, I thought just some
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  Speaker 6: players kind of moving around, playing some different positions, which
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  Speaker 6: you can't overreact to too much. But you know, Marty
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  Speaker 6: Mapu playing a little bit more with the safety group.
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  Speaker 6: You know, Kean White continues to be on the edge.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 6: And some of the younger wide receivers got a chance
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  Speaker 6: today with with a lot of the experienced veterans were
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  Speaker 6: not here. So those young guys tomorrow, Davis, Kishan.
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  Speaker 4: Bute, Douglas.
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  Speaker 6: I got to be able to say his name, but
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  Speaker 6: it's just like I feel like I pause, it's Booty, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: making y'all know me, y'all know me. I can't get it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it was It was a lot of instruction
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  Speaker 4: and situational stuff that Bill talked about wanting to do today,
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  Speaker 4: and it was at a much slower tempo. The big takeaway,
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  Speaker 4: I think is what Mike said, you know, just a
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  Speaker 4: lot of guys mixing and matching, and this is what
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  Speaker 4: Bill talked about before the first ota that we got
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  Speaker 4: access to, and so we got a chance to see
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  Speaker 4: some different personnel groupings in the secondary. I thought there
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  Speaker 4: was some interesting groups, and Mike mentioned Mapu being with
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  Speaker 4: the safeties more so than the linebackers like he was
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  Speaker 4: last week. And then you know, we saw some different
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  Speaker 4: groups of offensive linemen, you know, some mixing and matching there,
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  Speaker 4: and you know with the tight ends, which I think
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  Speaker 4: we're going to talk about a little bit today too.
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  Speaker 4: I know Evan was focusing a little bit on Henry
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  Speaker 4: and Kasiki. They got a lot of work because what
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  Speaker 4: most people would consider the top four wideouts none of
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  Speaker 4: them really took part in practice. Thornton Parker born in
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  Speaker 4: Juju right was even here.
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  Speaker 6: Didn't see him.
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  Speaker 4: Bill Setti was one of those four that I even saw,
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  Speaker 4: was Parker.
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  Speaker 1: Okay Ye was in Washington the Chiefs yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: Bill Setti was here. When asked before practice but I
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  Speaker 4: don't know what here necessarily is defined as.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's good to see the rookies pretty involved, and
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  Speaker 5: I think, you know, we always talk about how they
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  Speaker 5: don't always do that, you know, some of these rookies
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  Speaker 5: sometimes they're often you know, and to the side or
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  Speaker 5: with like the backups or the threes and the fours,
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  Speaker 5: whatever you want to call them. But some guys getting
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  Speaker 5: some serious round. Christian Gonzales his first open to the
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  Speaker 5: media O t a right right into the fire, you know,
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  Speaker 5: right into the mix. In the secondary. We've talked a
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  Speaker 5: lot about white and Mapu today, Antonio Maffi getting some
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  Speaker 5: of those Mike on Winnie reps at right guard. So
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  Speaker 5: they're they're giving these guys some looks, which I think
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  Speaker 5: is a good sign of progress that mentally they feel
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  Speaker 5: like they're they're ready to have that opportunity. But I
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  Speaker 5: think the two things that really stand out, and I
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  Speaker 5: know Paul made a good point about the receivers not
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  Speaker 5: being here, so you don't know. The personnel groupings might
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  Speaker 5: have been driven by sheer numbers in some instances, but
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  Speaker 5: the Patriots they were in twelve personnel just looked it
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  Speaker 5: up a fifteen point nine percent of the time, which
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  Speaker 5: was below league average last year.
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  Speaker 4: I would take the over. I thought what you said
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  Speaker 4: that you would like today.
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  Speaker 5: No, I tried to today.
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  Speaker 4: Holy crap, I sat next to you the whole.
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  Speaker 6: Time, like I see you tracking Mac Jones's stats RAC.
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  Speaker 5: Not not today? Maybe in trade It was a low
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  Speaker 5: percentage last year fifteen point nine percent was middle of
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  Speaker 5: the pack to low. If I was a betting man,
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  Speaker 5: I would I would take the over on that this year, certainly.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that's the big thing is Hunter, Henry
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  Speaker 5: and Mike Kasiki have been like, you know, the two
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  Speaker 5: best pals you've ever seen out on the practice, felt true.
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  Speaker 4: I haven't made that comment during practice and.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I mean even like during special teams portions,
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  Speaker 5: it's Henry and Sicky with Mac Jones and the quarterbacks
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  Speaker 5: catching passes on the on the side field like there.
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  Speaker 5: Those two guys have gone every even Taylor Swift. They
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  Speaker 5: even went to Taylor Swift together, so they're they're going
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  Speaker 5: everywhere together. And I think, uh, Bill O'Brien being back,
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  Speaker 5: and you also put that into the equation that we
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  Speaker 5: know he has that history of running a lot of
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  Speaker 5: twelve personnel, so I think we're gonna see plenty of that,
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  Speaker 5: plenty of that.
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  Speaker 6: It was interesting to me just watching Bill O'Brien today,
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  Speaker 6: like he just kind of stays to the side. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: Like a lot of times you see the offensive coordinator
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  Speaker 6: there in the back of the offense, the quarterback will
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  Speaker 6: come back and talk to him. He seems like he
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  Speaker 6: likes to operate from the sideline and and and call
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  Speaker 6: everything in and I just you know a little something
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  Speaker 6: that you know, you notice when you're just looking for
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  Speaker 6: details today. But kind of.
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  Speaker 4: Interesting to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was interesting. With Bill's press conference,
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  Speaker 1: somebody mentioned that some teams are canceling.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the Jets did mini camp, which the Eagles, the Bengals.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's like four or five teams that have
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  Speaker 4: already done away with it.
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  Speaker 1: It seems interesting though to me, because mini caamp is
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  Speaker 1: when it's mandatory. Yeah, you have to be there, Like
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  Speaker 1: I would, I would cancel these before I would cancel
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  Speaker 1: the one where everybody has to be there. But maybe
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  Speaker 1: they're getting such great attendance at their OTA.
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  Speaker 4: It's a good point. It's a good point, Freddie. I
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  Speaker 4: wonder if it's just because it's mandatory, they don't want
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  Speaker 4: to make anything mandatory. They want to just sort of
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  Speaker 4: go through it. You know. It's one of those things
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  Speaker 4: like the new age companies now that like sort of
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  Speaker 4: force you to take vacation. Yeah, you know, and if
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  Speaker 4: you take a vacation, you get a stipend or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I like that.
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  Speaker 6: I saw some of the Mike McDaniel because I think
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  Speaker 6: he did that with the with the dolphins too, and
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  Speaker 6: they said, what why, And you just talked a lot
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  Speaker 6: about you know, I want these guys to be invested
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  Speaker 6: in when they're here and they're playing well and practicing well.
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  Speaker 6: I wanted them to know that it's going to be rewarded.
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  Speaker 6: And so, you know, for them, I think that was
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  Speaker 6: you know.
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  Speaker 1: What it was. But here's the thing about it. It's
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  Speaker 1: like I get it. You know, a reward is you
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  Speaker 1: get a day off. But you shouldn't look at practice
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  Speaker 1: as something that to get out of when when you're
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  Speaker 1: not doing you know what I mean. You should want
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  Speaker 1: a practice to get better, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: It's like when you're raising a little puppy and you
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  Speaker 1: have their crate, like you want them to like the crate.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to just throw them in the crate
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  Speaker 1: every time they make a mistake, you know, because then
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna equate the crate with bad. Practice should not
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  Speaker 1: be equated with bratt with bad you know, like give
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  Speaker 1: them other incentives, you know, don't take away practices. I like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't get that mentality.
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  Speaker 6: Well, it's hard because we haven't you know, there's a
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  Speaker 6: few guys we haven't seen a practice. I'll just name
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  Speaker 6: two veterans we haven't seen Matthew Judoh or Trump Brown
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  Speaker 6: those couple of days. Like, so then you have the
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  Speaker 6: mandatory practices, and like, are those guys just kind of
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  Speaker 6: out of luck? Like they're not gonna participate now, or
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  Speaker 6: they're not gonna get information.
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  Speaker 1: What I'm really getting at is is there any chance
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  Speaker 1: you cancel some of that mini camp?
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  Speaker 4: Well, well this is my This is two separate things.
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  Speaker 4: But like I wanted to ask you what your impressions
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  Speaker 4: were of Bill's answer to that question today because I
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  Speaker 4: kind of thought when when the question was asked, you
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  Speaker 4: know how we all do it. I mean, I'm not
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  Speaker 4: the only one. We all sort of anticipate what Bill's
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  Speaker 4: going to say. I thought that there was going to
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  Speaker 4: be something along the lines of, well we view all
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  Speaker 4: of these opportunities as a chance to work and get better.
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  Speaker 4: And he didn't really answer it that way. He was like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, well, you know there's different different ways, and
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  Speaker 4: you know how I don't want to talk for any
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  Speaker 4: other teams, And he didn't really say what his plans were.
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  Speaker 4: And I do wonder if maybe, like I wouldn't be
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  Speaker 4: surprised if kind of keeping in line with the way
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  Speaker 4: they did it last year and have done it other years,
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  Speaker 4: instead of a three day camp it turns into a
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  Speaker 4: two day camp or something like that. But to your
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  Speaker 4: point about guys missing, I think if you know, like
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  Speaker 4: this wasn't like they practiced well, so they canceled mini camp.
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  Speaker 4: The plan was no mini camp, I know, at least
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  Speaker 4: in Philadelphia. I think I think Philadelphia is the one
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  Speaker 4: I read that about with Sirianni, because that stuck out
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  Speaker 4: to me because of you and I being in Philly
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  Speaker 4: and the practices were running the ors much different length
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  Speaker 4: and tempo than we're used to here in New England.
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  Speaker 4: So I wonder if maybe because they know there's no
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  Speaker 4: mini camp, the players do show up to get their
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  Speaker 4: work in. Yeah, you know, whenever.
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  Speaker 6: I just wonder, what is the most critical thing for
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  Speaker 6: Mini camp, you know. Like so he talked today of
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  Speaker 6: these OTAs, they're just kind of said, look, we're just
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  Speaker 6: installing our basic stuff. That's fine. What do you have
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  Speaker 6: to come out of mini camp with? And something like
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  Speaker 6: part of it to me just feels like it's almost
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  Speaker 6: addressed rehearsal for training camp, so people know what to expect.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I always looked at it at.
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  Speaker 6: And that's it. It's like more of a schedule thing
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  Speaker 6: than an actual like in like, we really got to
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  Speaker 6: install this part of our offense or defense in mini camp,
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  Speaker 6: Like I don't know, I don't know how vital it
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  Speaker 6: still is.
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  Speaker 1: Well, again, it was mandatory. So the difference between OTA
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  Speaker 1: and Mini camp is it's mandatory. The practice is what the.
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  Speaker 4: Same, They're exactly the same. You're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 1: You know, but it's a folk like you know, as
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  Speaker 1: I explained before, the league says, you're allowed twenty four
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  Speaker 1: hours for three days during mandatory mini camp, and you
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  Speaker 1: can split it up any way you want. Bill decided
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  Speaker 1: last year to do ten, ten and four, you know,
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  Speaker 1: because he he says that a typical workday here is
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  Speaker 1: ten hours, so he wanted them to see what a
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  Speaker 1: typical work day was so he gave them two days
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  Speaker 1: of ten hours and then the next day was four
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  Speaker 1: hours and he let him go early. But that's important though,
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  Speaker 1: especially for the young guys. What is a typical what
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  Speaker 1: does a typical workday look like? So that it's when
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  Speaker 1: you get here for training camp, it's not new, You've
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  Speaker 1: done it, you know.
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  Speaker 6: Well, that's what we Paul were talking about, Like they're
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  Speaker 6: doing these ota sessions middle of the day and it's
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  Speaker 6: just throwing our schedule off. But you know, that's I'm
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  Speaker 6: expecting Mini camp next week is going to be the
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  Speaker 6: usual nine thirty to eleven thirty interviews after that training camp,
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  Speaker 6: you know, kind of schedule. So I don't know, I
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  Speaker 6: would like to see, you know, everybody to get out
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  Speaker 6: there and have the full team here, but yeah, we'll see.
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  Speaker 6: I think they'll do at least a couple of them.
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  Speaker 5: I just think that every year put these collectively bargained
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  Speaker 5: rules to what the amount that you can actually do
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  Speaker 5: on the practice field becomes less and less. So at
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  Speaker 5: some point it's like it's a glorified walkthrough. And if
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  Speaker 5: you've got everything in installed that you want to get installed,
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  Speaker 5: what are you really doing out there at that point,
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  Speaker 5: you know, And I think we've even seen it these
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  Speaker 5: first two practices. Last week was a little bit more
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  Speaker 5: ramped up than today, but in general, like maybe the
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  Speaker 5: most ramped up they get to is like seventy five percent.
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  Speaker 5: I would say, I don't really think we're talking about
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  Speaker 5: full speed football at any level. So at some point
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  Speaker 5: I feel like it's it's almost just as long as
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  Speaker 5: you get the install that you want to get in.
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  Speaker 5: And that's what a lot of the coaches talk about it.
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  Speaker 5: They just want to get that basic and that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: But don't tell me now that September is like an
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  Speaker 1: extension of preseasons. I don't want to hear that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fair.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a fair I agree with these guys.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's a fair criticism. But I also I
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  Speaker 4: agree one hundred percent with Evan. I think there is
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  Speaker 4: a period of dress rehearsal, like Mike said, and then install,
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  Speaker 4: and then once they get to trading camp, they don't
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  Speaker 4: need to go over that kind of stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: That kind of stuff should be should be ready to go,
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  Speaker 4: and now you're fine tuning. You know, as we know, Mike,
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  Speaker 4: what do we start with red zone, red zone. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you got to start with red zone, and then you go,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you do some of your goal you know,
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  Speaker 4: your goal line defense, and then you know, you get
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  Speaker 4: the pads on. So it's a little bit more run heavy.
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  Speaker 4: Some interior running drills we see during during camp, and
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  Speaker 4: it just builds and builds and builds. But I agree
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  Speaker 4: with you, Fred, if you don't necessarily need all the
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  Speaker 4: days that you're allowed during the spring, right like week
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  Speaker 4: one should be all right, well, h let's be ready
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  Speaker 4: to go. Let's not have by some reports, ten percent
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  Speaker 4: of the offense installed, right, you know, or whatever they
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  Speaker 4: said last year in that game in Miami, they went
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  Speaker 4: in with a shockingly low number of plays.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we just told that every one of these
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  Speaker 1: things are critical. And is it a disservice to a
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  Speaker 1: young guy who's trying to make, you know, a name
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  Speaker 1: for himself to get less opportunities to do so?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, well I think you got a pretty good group.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I'd be interested to hear like Mac thinks
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  Speaker 6: of it. I mean, Max seems like the kind of
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  Speaker 6: kid like he don't want to be anywhere else, like
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  Speaker 6: he wants to play. Come and you know, beat mini camp.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sure there are plenty of guys. Maybe not plenty,
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  Speaker 6: but there's definitely guys on the team that would like
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  Speaker 6: nothing more than them to say no Mini camp go,
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  Speaker 6: you know, start your summer break early. But I agree,
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  Speaker 6: I think where this team's at though, it's just hard
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  Speaker 6: to say, can we cut practices right now? Like you got,
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  Speaker 6: you got a new offensive coordinator that you're trying to
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  Speaker 6: put in. You've got a lot of young players that
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  Speaker 6: you're hoping that you can, you know, groom and develop
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  Speaker 6: into star players. And you know it's how to best
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  Speaker 6: service them, especially right now when when the bullets aren't flying,
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  Speaker 6: you know, be able to go out there and you know,
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  Speaker 6: put some things in and correct them and you know,
• 14:36
  Speaker 6: work through with those guys. I mean, that's I mean
• 14:38
  Speaker 6: the biggest takeaway we saw today just every time a
• 14:40
  Speaker 6: rookie kind of pops up in one of these drills,
• 14:41
  Speaker 6: whether it's you know, a mere speed getting the Special
• 14:44
  Speaker 6: Team's Superstar workout, you know with with Matthew Slater or
• 14:48
  Speaker 6: Mapu kind of moving all over the place, or you
• 14:51
  Speaker 6: know the three rookie linemen all kind of playing different
• 14:53
  Speaker 6: spots and you know, really starting to. I don't want
• 14:56
  Speaker 6: to say that it's starting to, but they just like
• 14:58
  Speaker 6: I think with on Whnu, we saw the same thing. Wow,
• 15:00
  Speaker 6: he's there now all of a sudden. You know we're
• 15:02
  Speaker 6: early on, but he's kind of getting some looks at
• 15:04
  Speaker 6: some different spots. And you know with the upper level
• 15:07
  Speaker 6: you know, team than that. I don't know ones, twos,
• 15:09
  Speaker 6: all that stuff. I don't know how much that matters
• 15:10
  Speaker 6: right now, but it just seems like a lot of
• 15:12
  Speaker 6: those guys it's click. And for him he mentioned Gonzales too,
• 15:14
  Speaker 6: who was very involved and you know, right out there
• 15:17
  Speaker 6: with with with the top units and stuff. So that's
• 15:19
  Speaker 6: the exciting part for me. So more chances to see
• 15:21
  Speaker 6: these rookies and get them chance to develop on the field,
• 15:24
  Speaker 6: those are the things this team needs right now.
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it just thinks that you just don't. These
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: practices are getting further and further away from actual football, right,
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: like live football, social training camp, right, and so at
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: some point, you know Bill talks about hit, they want
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: to hit the ground running and training camp. So we're
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: not putting in our basic install in August. We're doing
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: that now and then once we get to August, it's
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: not about installing plays. It's about competition at that point
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: and figuring out the roster right now, this is all
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: just mental learning period, teaching period as he calls it.
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: So they're not we go out there and we evaluate it.
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: Put it in their quotes say, you know, we evaluate players.
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: But they they at least claim that they're not doing
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: that as much as what they're doing, and certainly in
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: training camps. So for like the young guys or the
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: guys Liken, you know, and Edi Lee trying to make
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: the roster and stuff like that. I just don't know
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: how much they're really gleaning from these practices.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, let's just say, let's take
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: them for their word. It's teaching. I'm still evaluating how
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: well you're absorbing what I'm teaching.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: There's an evaluation there, there's no question because every year
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: we see it, and you know, and ev and I
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: were talking about. Evan mentioned to me, like, you know,
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: the rookies are really involved today and sometimes you don't
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: see that. And there are years that you know, you
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: go out there and you're watch and you're like, wow,
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: you know so and so is really getting a lot
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: of run with other guys that you expect to be
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: part of the equation. And then other guys and i'd
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: use like Malcolm Butler as an example of that. There's
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: been many others, And I would use on the flip side,
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: a guy like Ronnie Perkins who never seems to get
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: any reps in these these kinds of practices with guys
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: that you expect to be a big part of the team.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: So where are they figuring that out? What Fred said,
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: in the meeting rooms and in studying whatever however they're
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: evaluating it. They're doing it because there's a depth chart
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: that sort of established as they get out there. Now
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: does it change and does it move? And do person
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: like the offensive lineman today, you really needed to be
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: on it to try to remember all the different combinations
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: that they had because guys were coming in and out,
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: and you know, there was a lot of a lot
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: of the veterans that no Riley Reef, no Trent Brown today,
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: so you know, the veteran tackles weren't out there. That
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: opens up the door for a rookie like City sal
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: and you know and other guys like that. But they
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: have to evaluate somehow to figure out why did City
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Sao go out there? And not someone else right, you know,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: right to that point too.
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: I saw Phil tweeted I did not witness this, but
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: he said, boots booty. Goddamnit, Booty lined up wrong and
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: got an earfull from from Bill O'Brien. So I just
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: think that's the kind of thing.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: And if he keeps doing that, that will be part
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: of the evaluation.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, not not to get too crazy about June sixth practice,
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: but there were a little bit more of that going
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: on today. Some off sides on defense, a couple of laps,
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: you know, some dropped drop passes.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Little funny Malie Cunningham seemed to be lining people up
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: a lot today. Now he's playing wide receiver, yeah, and
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: you know, but.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: He also could be studying it from a quarterback perspective,
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: which gives me.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: But that's a good sign, you know, maybe he's a
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: quick learn.
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, we saw that last year. Every training camp
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: practice had felt like somebody was lining up in the
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: wrong place, or people are getting chewed out for not
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: being you know, in the right spots or whatever.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: So Evan, I've been here for a long time. I
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: never I never remember seeing an offense in camp. Look,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: so just it just didn't look right. Yeah, just didn't
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: look right. I don't care it was Pete Carrol or
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Parcels or Belichick. I've never seen it in camp looked
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: the way it looked last year.
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: I not much to watch, but I was intrigued by
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: some of the stuff they're running. It's you know, you
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: can tell there's I mean we're talking about motion, you know,
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: misdirection thing. You know, we're faking a screen to one side.
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: We're going to like you can already see the beginning.
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: I know, Evan, you know, had a great point of
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: this is you know, this is all stuff they're going
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: to build off of and you know, not trick plays,
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: but they see this coming, then we're gonna build off
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: of that. Next time it's going to be going the
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: other way, those kind of things. It's just it looks
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: it looks right a lot of the time to me.
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: And you know, there's not a lot of pads or physicality,
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: but it's it seems like they're they're putting some good
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: stuff together. I feel pretty good about just maybe it's
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: just with that Bill O'Brien thing, Like every time I
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: just looked at the sideline and like, there he is
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: with you. Know a guy that you know, lately I've
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: been used to watching as a head coach, so you know,
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: you just kind of have that confidence in him. He
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: looks like he's putting together, you know, an offense that
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: people know what they're doing and they've got a plan
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: for attack, and you know they're gonna sequence plays and
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: all those things that we missed last year. It's just
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: you can see the beginnings of it right now here
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: in camp.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're working in one period working on some some
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: pop passes. Yeah, jet motion and then you pop it
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: to the guy instead of handing it to them. And
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: we've just seen a lot of that. They call that
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: pop passes, a little pop.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Passes like a shovel pass.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: Right, Well, that's like the underhand one.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Pour the milk.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: That's an option pitch for the milk, right, But he's
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: talking about a different kind of play.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a forward pass. But it's just kind of.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: It's funny because they count it in the box score
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: as a pass. So like you see a lot of
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: teams like Kansas City and stuff will run it and
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: it's like, oh, Patrick Mahomes, so there is another touchdown,
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: Like it's like, right, anyways, uh RPOs screens, motions into screens,
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: like a lot of different we're playing over here, but
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: the ball's over there, and type of things going on.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: And I think that that's a lot of what was
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: missing from this offense last year is it just felt
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: so uh rudimentary. It has felt so basic last year
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: where everything was just.
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: And they couldn't get pass basic like they were stuck.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Was like, you're right, and you were just running plays
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: to run plays and things like that. This is you
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: can see, Okay, well we're gonna run this motion and
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: then we're gonna run it again, but we're actually gonna
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: do this off of it instead of the first time
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: we did that, and now we're gonna do this and
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: you know, those types of things I think are already
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: starting to show.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: You don't consider the use of Marcus Jones as inventive.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: I would.
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: Like, no, get huddle up, huddle up, none of that stuff,
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: none of the you know. I mean there was one
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: in one or two instance of today where Max didn't
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: have anybody, but I thought that that was you know,
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: all the rookies. I mean a lot of times he
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: was going to the tight ends the veterans, but you know,
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: we mentioned Booty getting yelled at a little bit for
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: for the lining up wrong, so you know, it's a
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: little bit clunky today, just I think because of the personality.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: And I don't know, I have no idea who was
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: punting practicing, but whoever was Cordless Waven Yeah, yeah, what
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: a leg and the ability to you know, get it
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to turn over so it stops on a dime. I
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: was impressed. He.
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: I mean, I'm not usually one to comment on punting,
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: especially in practice, but every now and then you just
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: catch sight of one that you're like, that's a boomer.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: It just sounds like boomer, yeah, you.
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: Know, and it just seems to hang up there for
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: a while. Yeah, no, no, uh no Bearinger today. So yeah,
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: I mean he's gonna he's gonna have his work cutout
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: for him. I mean, I don't know how healthy Nick
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: Folk is or what he hasn't been around, but I
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: think both those rookie kickers, it's it's not gonna be
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: handed to them. They're certainly the favorites, but they're gonna
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: have to kick well and perform, and I think you'll
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: see a lot of that in training camp where there's
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: you know, all right, this kid, you know, all right,
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: put it, move it back. You know those kind of
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: competitions that that are always fun to watch. I always
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: like that stuff, and we've had a few years in competition.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: I remember Jake Bailey's rookie spring and the ball is
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: just coming off his foot different and you could just
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: tell like, oh crap, like this guy's got a leg.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: And then I remember Ryan Allen like didn't even make
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: it to training camp, I don't think before they cut him.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: And there was one practice where Matthew Slater was watching
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: Jake Bailey punt and he was just like, holy crap.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: You know, he's like applauding on the sideline about how
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: good he was. So I don't know if we've gotten
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: that moment yet out of these two guys where you're
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: like seeing teammates being like, oh my god, did you
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: see that? You know type of thing. But I maybe
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: we'll get there, but I don't think we've gotten that
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: moment yet. But wayman, he's got a leg.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: And it was so funny because it wasn't an official
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: special Teams portion of practice, guys were still out there
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: doing the wrong thing. So he was punting from the
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: middle of the two fields. So all you do, you
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: just hear it. You wouldn't even know where it came from.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden you see the ball
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: starting to come toward you. And I mean he was
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: hitting it inside the tent consistently.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you something I noticed when he was kicking.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: And I just might be more as a result of
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: some of the inexperience on the guys that were receiving them,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: they were ever a hard time catching them, yeah, and
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: they were like kind of misjudging him, and he was.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: There was a portion on the left field, the one
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: in front of us to our left, where probably ten
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: twelve punts he had. He had one shank, but the
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: rest of them were like boomed. Like Fred said, you know,
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: got a lot of them to turn over. And the
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: rookies were involved in some of those. And I have
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: the numbers down, but I don't know all the numbers
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: off the top of my head. I think I think
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: Speed was one of them, a.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: Mere speed Mario Douglas has been to.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Mario Douglas had problems with one. I think I think
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Booty might have had problems with one. So they, like
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: I said, it might have been as much about the
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: inexperience of the receivers, but they all seem to be
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: struggling just to catch them. Yeah, so I wonder if
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: he has like one of those funny balls to try
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: to catch him.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: It seemed like if you're looking at it, it fades
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: to the left. So the players right a little bit,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: just had that little action at the end. Cutter, a
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: little cutter.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: See how they control it. You know, these these two guys,
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: Baringer and Weightman are known for having really big legs.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: But can they can they pin him down?
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: You know if they said that right? If they're kicking
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: you know, if they if they have to punt at
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: their own forty five, like is he going to be
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: able to get it down inside the ten? Inside the five?
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: Can they?
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: Do they have different clubs that you know? Bill always
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: talks about it like it's golf, right, like you have
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: a driver, but then you also need to have the sandwich.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: Like do they have different clubs or are they just
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: all all leg And that's it?
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Speaking of golf, take announcements out of nowhere, huh? Live
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: in PGA merging.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Dogs and living together that.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Didn't last long? Well, PGA doesn't come out smelling very
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: well at it. I mean money wise, they will. But
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: like all this hue and cry about but we're not
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: going to ever and now money always talks, right.
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: It's just out of nowhere, Like no one even had
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: a heads up. I mean it was just all of
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: a sudden, like money and lawsuits they were even talking.
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: I didn't even know that that was even.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Like they did a great job keeping it Quietah, they
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: really did. Yeah.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: I mean if anybody cares about golf, that's good because
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: now you have all of the best players again all the.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Time, and a huge infusion of money.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah well, I mean yeah for a fan, I don't
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: really care about that.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: No, but it makes the tournaments more, you know, rich,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: so more. You know, of the best players will play
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: in more tournaments.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: But a lot of these tournaments that you watch, like
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: like last week was good. There's a good tournament last week.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: It was a playoff with Victor Hovlin and he ended
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: up winning it. I know a lot of people don't
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: care about this, but you know, punting and to not have,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: you know, to not have the best golfers all of
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: those tournaments. Now Brooks Koepka just won the PGA, so
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: the majors. You're gonna get all those lift guys, and
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: that's great. So now you have them all all the time.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: It's better if anybody that cares about golf.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Made me want to go out there,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: did it? Yeah?
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Well with that kind of money that before you weren't
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: interested in just winning like ten million, but now it
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: would be more than.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Just the talking golf was like I just I want
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: to go play, go get Yeah.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: I always found that any time I watched the movie
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Caddies shit acted, made me want to go play.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Cinderella Boy. Yeah, sure, all right, So what else?
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: So we got them? So that's our last access of Ota.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: No one more Friday.
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: They gave us Friday.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: They gave us Friday, so we'll be able.
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: To see eleven thirty to one thirty, and hopefully it's
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: a little bit more action packed than today. Not I mean,
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: not that it really can be that much more action pack,
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: but but maybe a little bit.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: And I don't think it will be because I think
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: the way Bill talked today, they had the weekend off,
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: they went at it yesterday, they slowed it down today,
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: they'll be off tomorrow. My guess is uh, you know.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: My guess is it'll be a busier day on Thursday,
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: and then they'll ramp it back down on Friday.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: And then we have full access next week. Yeah, as
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: long as he doesn't cancel.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, whatever they whatever they practice at mini camp, the
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: media will be allowed to attend, that'll be live. So
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: we'll be live right now.
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: That Wednesday practice has like team field trip to bowling
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Alley written all over it or something like that.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Early release more likely. Yeah, I like that.
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: Remember one year they went paintballing or something like that.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: But we will be live next week. Whenever practice starts,
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: we'll start the show. It'll be live on YouTube and
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: uh and we'll do that each day that they have
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: practice next week.
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: Can we talk about the fight a little bit, little
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: little tempers overflow.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a fight.
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, oh Cold Strange and I guess was Anthony Jennings.
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: I think that was with some of the reporting ones
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: Cole Strange. Uh, definitely drew the ire of several defensive players.
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: Was it was it Jennings that was involved and then
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: you got a little heated, you know, a little pushing
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: and shoving.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Cold Strange showing a little nastiness like that that's him.
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: He's extra business. He's extra business like, and.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: I'd like him to block first.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: He blocked first.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: I think he has the nastiness part down. I think
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: we saw that last year during games. I don't I
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: don't have any question about his compete level.
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: That kind of a wry about nasty. But I also
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: just we always, just in college, there was this guy
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: to fenceman, just extra business. It's always like why why
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: why right now? Like because he wasn't nasty. It was
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: just like we're practicing, like you don't need to cross
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: check me in the back while we're practicing, right Like
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: I wore team. I don't like that, you know, just
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: stupid stuff like that.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: So I don't know that, and I don't know how this.
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: And I like I like how cold Strange played, like
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: I like that style. But like I just I think
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: he is nasty. But I also think it's a little
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: bit of like, dude, it's June, like, you don't have
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: to give the extra business to everybody that's not extra business.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: I don't know ptice getting too soft, teams, teams, canceling
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: mini camps right now now, it's a little too much
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: like to block a little bit after the whistle.
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: I come on, I Missolda took exception to it. Took
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: exception to it.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I mean I always laugh, you know. The CBA. Oh,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: you know, the owners gave a lot back to the
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: players in terms of limiting practices and OTA days. That's
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: not giving the players anything that they don't. What they
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: want is more money, you know, they don't pretty much, right,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: all right? Eight five five PATS five hundred is the
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: ace ticket hut line web radio at patues dot com
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: is the email address any other like NFL news you
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: want to talk about. There was a report today that
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: two Cleveland Browns players got held up on one.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: Point and had their car stole all their jewelry, their car.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Three thirty in the morning, you know, and good exactly,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Like why are you even driving? There's a program in
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the NFL. Literally, there's a program in the NFL. A
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: player could call and have a ride anywhere they want
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: to go.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: It's not Uber.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: It's like a private thing, like you don't have to
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: drive when you're going out if you're an NFL.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: So it would have been better if like they got
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: their jewelry stolen. But the Uber, no, that's that's just.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Saying like why do they even have like their pickup
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: truck with them?
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: I would just say, why are they out at three thirty? Well,
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: that's you know, I know, it's not like the Grandpa
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: and the group, but that's where.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: That's where my father said. My father always said, if
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: you're not in bed by midnight, go home.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, right, right right.
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: I don't know, man, I I kind of like feeling
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: a little Hopkins. Uh, DeAndre Hopkins is a little tingle.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: It just doesn't seem like there's a lot of interest
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: in him right now. I don't know. I I kind
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: of am feeling like.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I read a report that there's not a lot of
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: competition for the Patriots.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: On this Like if you this is when the Patriots
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: will pouts on a player when they're not in the
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: bidding war. There's you know, we're late in the year.
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: It's kind of like pointed they have a relationship with
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: the guy, both the OC and the head coach. The
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: Patriots aren't going to get into a bidding war and
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: overpay people to.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Anybody worried about the fact that there's no real interest
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: in but one about.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: That use of the force over Niko Sario still comes in.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: He calls, you don't want there, Hopkins, No, I don't
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: want good thank.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: You do that with a teams now.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: But the Texas were said to have been involved, so
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: now they're gone.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: No I know, But like Kansas City and Buffalo were
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: said to be involved too, and they're really not all
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: that interested.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: Well, I also think that that's a cap situation in money,
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: and I know that they can move the money around.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: And whatever, but they just signed Lendon Floyd.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think that that money even ties it
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: up even further. I mean, I just I think that
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: there's I'm a little worried, that's all. There's I think
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: that there is a sound reasoning of that. DeAndre Hopkins
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: is not the guy that's gonna take the top off
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: the defense. He's not a deep threat anymore. He's not
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: a third level threat to the defense. But as a
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: possession receiver, I mean, he would have caught one hundred
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: and ten passes last year if he had played the
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: whole season for Arizona. So I he's gonna be a
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: guy that's going to be more in that eleven twelve
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: yard per catch range now in this point of his
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: career than a true big play guy. But I still
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: think that he can catch seventy five to ninety balls
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: playing on him.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: If you're going to be like thirty twelve personnel, Does
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: having a guy like him clog it up a little
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: bit too much? Or can he fit into that type?
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: I just feel like he actually presents an outside the
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: numbers threat that maybe has a little bit more cachet
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: than Devonte Parker. Where when you start to talk about
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: pecking orders and things like that, it just makes it
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: all fit a little bit better to have, even if
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: it's just off of reputation, you know, Gandre Hopkins being
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: out there by name and it's not necessarily the same
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: guy that he once was, it just makes the whole
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: puzzle fit.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Does he'll get better.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: To ask to find open?
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: Like?
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: Well?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Like is he a guy a consistent?
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: Like?
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Can he be the binkie that Matt Jones needs? That's
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, he doesn't get open. He's never been like
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: a big time separator. You know, his game has always
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: been a hands body control route running craftiness like that.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: He he ran like a four to six. You know,
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: this is not a guy that was ever.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Hey, I don't care about that, But can he get
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: open like guys.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: Who run again, like, I think his open is different
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: than other people's open. So it's kind of hard to
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: like who like who like?
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Who doesn't run well gets open consistent welcome.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Wasn't that fast. He wasn't fast at all. He was strong,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: you know, but he he just.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Could sound now you sound like me in two thousand
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: and seven.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: No, no, but what he what he did? He was
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: quick in short spaces.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think. I don't think quick or fast.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Worries. You don't have to be blazing fast to be
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: short routes to get open.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: Don't don't confuse that. I'm not suggesting blazing fast. Evnant
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: just had four to six. That's not blazing that.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: That's slow.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: He runs really and he probably doesn't run a four
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: to six now either.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: To Evan's point, he's a great route runner, though, and
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't call him quick in terms of like his
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: ability to stack short area moves together. But he's sudden
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: where like he can get up on the stem and
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: then just break it off just like that. Right, So
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: it's not necessarily like Wes Welker jitterbug quickness, but he's
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: got that ability to create some separation and at the
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: top of the route, you know, not digs, comebacks, back
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: shoulder fades, things over the middle of the field, that
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: those are gonna be what he's gonna gonna live off of.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: And I just think that having him on the outside
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: it is an upgrade in my mind over DeVante Parker
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: and what we're talking about.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: I would agree with that. I would I would make
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: the swap for Hopkins for Parker in a blink. Okay,
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: I absolutely would do that. But what Evan's talking about,
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: and I totally agree with that assessment, is he's never
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: really been a guy who's separated. But he's incredibly strong
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: and we'll catch those passes more often than not. He's
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: not a fifty to fifty guy like down the fields necessarily,
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: but he's not going to create a lot of separation
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: on a twelve yard out, but he's going to catch
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: it and that's where he west.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: That's what he does. So to have type of production
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: he has, he's got to be doing something right.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he was. He's a great like. I'm not
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: talking about him as a his career. His career has
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: been phenomenal. I just I'm a little worried based on
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: some of the stuff I'm reading and that that that's
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: like number one, and you sort of step back and
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: you're like, oh, okay, that's interesting. I hadn't realized because
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: I'm like Evan. I mean, I saw, like, in a
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: quarter of a season or a half a season last
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: year he was very productive. But now no one, no
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: one's made him an offer. Is it just money? Is
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: he because I know that everybody's saying he's looking for
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: that Odell Beckham contract, which to me is not outrageous. No,
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: and no one's interested.
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: Is the league done with him? That's like an Evan
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: thing like that league the league, The league thinks he's done.
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: I don't know if the league tells you what a
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: guy's value was. Yeah, I don't know if the league
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: necessarily thinks that he's washed. But I think the league
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: thinks that he's no longer the same guy that he was,
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: and he still has that diva wide receiver.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: So now you take all these other things. He doesn't
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: like to practice, right, he's coming off a year that
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: he was suspended for six games for peds. You know,
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: he's had issues in the past, you know with Bill O'Brien.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: Now I know that O'Brien is. There's been reports that
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: Bill is openly advocating for signing him, so maybe that's
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: less of a thing. But when you're no longer that like,
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, there was a time, probably as recently as
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: two years ago, three years ago, top three receiver in
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: football period, like anybody's list would have had. I love
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: DeAndre Hopkins. I love how hard he played, you know,
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: in all that stuff. But I just wonder if the
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: league is telling you they don't think he's that guy anymore.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: And now these other things matter. They didn't matter when
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: he was when he was one of the best three receivers,
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: but now if he's a top twenty receiver in football,
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: some of those things, the fact that he doesn't practice
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: for a new team might be a problem. But doesn't
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: that set in fact he doesn't want to practice, I
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: don't want.
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: To doesn't that set up? Isn't that exactly what the
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: Patriots want?
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Though?
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: Now it's a depreciated asset, And that's like why I
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: feel like they're lurking is because it's not they're no
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: longer making the A. J. Brown trade or the Tyreek
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: Hill trade. They're getting an asset who they're getting him
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: for pennies on the dollar at this point. I agree,
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: that's classic Bill.
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: I think Cleveland's the other team that has been mentioned
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: still kind of in the mix.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: With Like I know, Brandon Bean was quoted today and
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Buffalo is saying they are interested in signing him, but
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: he thinks that it'll take a significant contract. The more
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: time goes on, the less I think he's going to
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: get a significant contract.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Now, he did hire an agent, which is good.
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's supposed to take a visit here. I
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: think what's her face? Reported Diana Rassini. I don't know
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: that's something that.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: Was like a Twitter room or I'm not sure I
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: have anything totally concrete on that.
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, anything else league wide, the gambling thing, the clotse guy, like, so,
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: what do you guys.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: Make of the influx in.
• 38:59
  Speaker 9: There?
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Paying attention? I think they always did it. I think
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: they're paying attention.
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: What you think that? Do you think the league is
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: paying attention now to whose it's legal.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: They have to crack down.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: They have to crack down. They have to show everybody
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: how vigilant they're going to be.
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: Set an example.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: But is this going to be something that we're going
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: to get a couple of high profile examples of in
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: the beginning, and then it's going to kind of die.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: But that's sort of what.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: I It's just not good though. I mean, like from
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: what I read, the guy was actually betting on Colts games.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: That's the rumor.
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true from the practice facility.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: It was a good h It was a good apology though, Yeah.
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: And so he just came out and nipped it in
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: the butt, like I think it was still speculation who
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: it even was, and he just came out and did somebody.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Actually I thought someone reported it. I don't know much
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: more on the Twitter machine than I am, but all
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, it was just I just feel like
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: when I read apologies from those guys, they're always so plastic,
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: and they're always so scripted, from like an agent order advisor,
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: And this was like, I made a really bad mistake,
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: not I made a you know, a lapse in judgment,
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: or it's not who I am, you know, it's no.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: I I bleeped up, and I'm sorry, and it's a
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: privilege to play in this league and I'm jeopardizing it,
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: like I thought, you don't see a lot of guys
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: take full accountability. I'm not saying it makes it right,
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: but I don't know. Well, a lot of these guys
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: they like to pass the buck. Col's guy didn't. Calvin
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Ridley got Calvin Rivers was got Richen So now read
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: that the player tribute.
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: But no, but what does this guy get now? I
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: mean if Calvin Ridley was like one or two, like
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: you know, little bets, I think now this guy was
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: like betting on Colts games from the facility, like knowingly
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: using someone else's account, Like I mean, he's got to
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: be gone for two years.
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't I would say it's a I mean,
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: I would say it's a year. But who were the
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: other wasn't there another.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: One Jamison Williams and all the lin.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: What did they get?
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: So they got to different two different levels. Because Jamison
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: Williams was betting on I should get this right, but
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: I think I think he was betting on other sports.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: So because it was his violation, his violation was that
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: he was doing it from the facility, which you can't
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: do on any sport period. But if he had went
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: home and placed a bet on an NBA game, then
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: he's allowed to do that. So that's why they only
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: got slaps on the wrists compared to there was one
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: one of the players got the full year that that
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: Ridley got.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: It's it is interesting.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I think you nail it, freend.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: I think they have to have to be more vigilant
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: than they normally would.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Fans already think that at some games have fixed, you know.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: I hate to say it, but they do, sure, you know,
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: but I don't necessarily think they're fixed because of the players,
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: but referee or you know, but everybody's got an angle Cincinnati,
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Kansas City.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: But like you know, players have influence on the game,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: you know, and all it takes is, you know, to
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: to get behind and now you're a little bit desperate.
• 42:00
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: It's it's not good. It's such a weird you have
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: to be careful.
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: It's such a weird like partnership between the sports teams
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: and the game gambling companies. But the sports players can't
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: bet on the I mean, it's it's complicated, and I guess,
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: as you guys said, this is what they have to do.
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: They have to make an example of a few guys
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: until everybody's on the same page. I know Ben Volin
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: was asking some of the players out there after, you know,
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: what their thoughts were. I think t trich Wise said
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: that Bill had sat them down and you know, made
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: sure that it's it's crystal clear.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Of what you I think the league has to do it.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Major League Baseball did and say if you get if
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: you bet on football, ban for life over And I
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: think you need to do that for the confidence of
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: the public.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: And that's what I did, which is why he got
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: to hear. Yeah, it is because he was betting on
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: other teams, not the Falcons, but he was betting on.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: The NFL football. Yeah, and you just can't do it.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: You just cannot do it. And if you do it,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: you're gone, period, end of story.
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: You know, especially with the news like they can figure
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: out where you're doing it from. Like you know, it's
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: I think that was.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: Part of it.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Far enough to do it for the facility, that's the player.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: You're on the Wi Fi. If you're on Wi Fi here,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I know every site that you went to.
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: Really, yeah, you know, not do that.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: Porn stuff work.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: You probably should know.
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: You know, you're always late for the show, you know.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: But you know, as he was saying, that when I
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: was really thinking in all honesty is like every week
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: I get I call up like latest lines to get
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: like some of the some of the spreads when we
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: do our picks, right, you know, right, because I have
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: my gambling different I took the course.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: But I think they they've got to they've got to
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: come down hard. They've got to show the public that
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: they mean business, that they're just not going to tolerate it.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: There's it's a one strike in your out policy.
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: Well, now's the time to do it when you're in
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: this dead period because once guys get into training camp,
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: the train starts rolling for the season. So now you
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: have to send those messages out and make sure that
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: these guys understand that, like we're going to know where
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: you're doing it. You're not gonna be able to do
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: it from other accounts. All that stuff is out, And
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: I'm very curious what the punishment is going to be
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: for this guy, because I mean a year doesn't seem
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: like enough. If if he was betting on his own
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: team multiple times, like I don't know, I think he's
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: out for a couple of years.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: And you know, to the athletes, betting is another form
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: of competition juice the juice, Like you know, you're watching
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: the NBA playoffs and you know you have Shaq and
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Charles and they're openly talking about betting on the show,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: you know, not me.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: So can I just say something real quick as I'm
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: sort of writing, as we're talking about the stuff that happened.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: I think earlier in the show I mentioned a lot
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: of the mixing and matching, and I said something about
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: offensive line and I think I mentioned that Riley Reef
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: wasn't there and he was no, No mc dermott, No,
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: it was McDermott that wasn't. But just because I'm writing
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: some of the stuff and I'm like writing in Rightley,
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: I think I said early in the show that he
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: wasn't there. Trent Brown wasn't and Connor McDermott wasn't, but
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: Riley Reef was, Yes, So I just wanted to correct that.
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and he's been kind of a fixture at right tackle,
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: Calvin Anderson getting plenty of work at left tackles. So
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: like to your point, Paul, I think they they have
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: rounded out their depth. I just I am curious about
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: what Calvin Anderson looks like. I mean, you know how reliable.
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: Trent Brown has been sometimes that he might have an opportunity.
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: I think if you, I mean, if he had a
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: really great camp. I don't know if anybody would you know,
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: be upset with putting Trump back on the right side maybe,
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: or you know, see how Riley Reef works out. But
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: they just got some depth to play with. They had
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: nothing last year when they'd go get Connor McDermott from
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: the Jets.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: All right, eight five to five. Pats five hundred is
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: the ace ticket, hutlined web radio at Patriots dot com
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: is the email address. Let's go to the phones. We'll
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: start with Christian in Los Angeles. What's up, Christian?
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Hey, guys, A question in a statement, So on the
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: question side, is there anything that you guys can glean
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: or or identify as a sort of common trade or
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: or or something tangible that you can attach to OTAs
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: that you've seen in some of the best teams and
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: best years that we've had here as a Patriots.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Is it all just sort of are there signs that yeah,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: that you see that you know, relate to a good season.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: I can't speak to it.
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: I have only seen ot as the teams that didn't
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: want a playoff game.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: So I'm going to be as honest as i can
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: be with this. I've never watched practices and said that
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: team's great, that team stinks. Never once, and I you know,
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: you saw signs of different things that you said, that
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: guy's going to be heavily involved in what they do
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: this year. You know, like Welker in two thousand and seven.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: You could see that they had designs on him right away,
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: but never as great as that seven team was. As
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: soon as Week one happened, I don't think a lot
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: of us would have said this, this is different, this
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: is special.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: People lied, People lie.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: And say I thought they were going undefeated.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: They have played in particular who we remember, But you know,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: we all said, wow, yeah, Randy Moss is different, this
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: guy is and then he got hurt.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I would like to say that you knew
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: that about Moss, but he barely took part and then
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: he didn't.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Practice the rest of the camp because he didn't need to. Really,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: But there's no way you can tell, you know now
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: last year, and I'm gonna say thanks for the call.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: Last year in training camp, Fred mentioned earlier that we've
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: never seen offense look like that and training camp. Fred
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: is right, and even then, I wouldn't have said this
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: team will never be able to complete a pass.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: I thought they'd figure it out.
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: I figured at some point it would get better. It
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: just never did.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: So I I do think that, like it's not tangible
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: of like necessarily, oh you see it, but there is
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: like a vibe, right, and like when Brady was still here,
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: like there was that vibe that you would get of confidence,
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: energy of all right, here we go again, right, another
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: football season and another crack at a super Bowl, and
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: there was just a I don't I don't know if
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: I necessarily feel the same energy.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: But so when I was thinking of answering Christian's question,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I was thinking, Okay, it's not fair to compare any
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: other year with the Brady years. So within the Brady era,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: were there certain years where, wow, this year is going
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: to be special and no, they all they were so consistent.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: And that was my point.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: And I would say, yeah, if you wanted to say specifically,
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: like six was a year that you could see once
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: they made the Dion Branch trade, they're going to struggle
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: with the receivers. They're not that good. They don't have
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: a proven guy. And then O seven was night and
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: day because they went out and signed all those guys.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: You know, it was Moss, Welker, Stalworth. Like you, you
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: just could tell, well, it's going to be better in
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: the passing game because they have more options in the
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: passing game. But in terms of like execution, they were
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: so damn consistent. Yeah, the ball never hit the ground ever. Yeah,
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: for twenty years.
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: I just think that there was one. There is a belief, right,
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: there was a vibe, There was a belief and it
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: will never watching like Brady run out for practice at
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: a training camp will never be like the with all
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: the fans there and there's people like up on the ramps,
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: you know, like the place is just absolutely packed and
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: he runs on the field and it's like you you know,
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: it's it's what you would imagine. It's like a rock star.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: You know. Let's go to Pat naguam. What's up, pat.
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: Up?
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: Guys, Hey, hey.
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: Patty, Hey, just a question.
• 49:50
  Speaker 9: We know that danlen Nills is going to be in
• 49:51
  Speaker 9: the mix of Tick over dim mccordy's role, and I
• 49:55
  Speaker 9: don't think anybody that's on the roster right now is
• 49:57
  Speaker 9: ulsa Plant mccordy and what he did, not just as
• 50:00
  Speaker 9: far as leadership, but what he did on the field
• 50:03
  Speaker 9: throughout his career. But would you guys take a reasonable
• 50:08
  Speaker 9: facts simile of a guy like Willie Big Play Clay.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Willie Clay, I guess Big Clay. Yeah, I don't know.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for a little bit better than Willie Clay.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Hopefully I'm not familiar with him.
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't remember Willie.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Clay, really big play Clay.
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: That's before my time.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: That it was definitely before your time. I'm a little surprised.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: The game is so different than it's hard to I
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: would think, Mike.
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: Now, this is one that got through me. Was he Brown?
• 50:39
  Speaker 6: Cleveland Brown?
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: I don't know Willie Clay. Well, he played for Detroit
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: before he played for the Patriots.
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I got nothing on him.
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: Like, you know, he made a I think he had
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: a big interception in the AFC Championship game in ninety six,
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah against Jacksonville. Yeah, might have been before I started
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: beating on the guy in front of me. I mean,
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: Willie Clay was a good player. But I kind of
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: agree with Fred. I never thought he was you know,
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: he had like the like the nickname and everything. I
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: never really thought he was all.
• 51:09
  Speaker 6: Back Willie Big play Clay.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: I remember any place I used.
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: I thought I thought I was talking. My brain first
• 51:20
  Speaker 6: went to Willy Beamon Willi Beman from I was.
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: Like, Willy Beamon, Who's I'm writing about the safeties that
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: we talked to Duggar. We talked to Jalen Mills today
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: about his transition, and I remember to tweet that Devin
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: sent back in March when Devin mccordy when he retired,
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: that he said that he actually thinks that this group
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: could now be better without him because of the mixing
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: and matching and the rotations that they can do, because
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: now it's not as predictable, you know. He was saying
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: that when he was out there, he was always in
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: center field, like where no matter what they started in
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: or what it looked like pre snap, eventually he was
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: always going to end up in the middle of the
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: field somewhere. And now they have a lot of the
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: same type of player Dougger, Phillips, Pepper's even like today
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: we saw Marty Mappu playing a little bit of safety
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: and those guys are pretty similar body types, they're pretty
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: similar backgrounds, and now you can just sort of go
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: out there and the defense, the offense, excuse me, is
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: not necessarily gonna know who is gonna be where, So
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: maybe they won't have one singular player who's better than
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: Devin McCarty or is replacing Devin McCarty. I think it's
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: going to be a group of people.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: The big way, it'll be the first two games. If
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: the opposing offense comes up with a big play, how
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: many guys in the secondary have their palms up looking
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: at each other, then you'll know, well, they're missing McCarty's communication.
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: That's what I was saying, And like you know, it
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: does it sounds great in theory that, like you know,
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: now they can't tell what's gonna come. But it also
• 52:45
  Speaker 6: requires that all those guys have that communication that Devin
• 52:48
  Speaker 6: McCarty had because you knew you could always count on
• 52:50
  Speaker 6: him in the back. But where it's right, Jabrill's on
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: the back end this play, you know, all right, now
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: we're going to mills Like, it's a lot of changes
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: going on, and if a miscommunication happens, especially on the
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: back an we all know what happens, it's gonna be.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: A big score.
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: So I go back to that twenty twelve season when
• 53:04
  Speaker 6: they really seem to like make that move with him,
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: and it really, you know, set the stage for that
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: defense to win a few more Super Bowls. And it's
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: a really important thing. I think they need to find it.
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: And it's not even like the play style. It's like,
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: you know, you just everybody needs to be on the
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: same page. You need that communication, especially in this defense.
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the communication is gonna Like you both
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: said that that will be the I'm not as worried
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: about them physically replacing Devin the range, like I don't
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: really Yeah, we could get out there and there could
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: be when he was back there. The amount of coverage
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: bus you could count on like one hand, like, yeah,
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: the guys get beat individually, but in terms of, oh
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: they just let some guy go run by himself for
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: forty yards like that, that just doesn't happen too often.
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: We go watch Seattle twenty twelve, that was there at
• 53:48
  Speaker 6: that game, and it was like Tevon Wilson and I
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: forget who it might have even had to put Nate
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: ember At there at that point because they were they
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: were really shorthanded.
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: But it was Seattle bombs away bombs away.
• 53:59
  Speaker 5: The structure of the Pays defenses second to none, Like
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: they are just so structurally sound in the back end.
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: And you'll go watch like tape of other defenses around
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: the league. You're like, they just let a guy ten
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: yards behind them, like nobody everybody's palms up, like who
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: had him?
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: And that just doesn't didn't happen them here.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Get three when they got rid of malloy and that
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: first game against Buffalo, sitting with Brian Moore and Brian's like,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: how how fast into the game before they're arguing with
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: each other, And sure enough, that first big play Buffalo had,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: They're all yelling at each other. Back there it was
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: you know, ty law was yelling at somebody Rodney.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: Ty Ty was gesturing two people, and it was it
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: was I mean the culprit was Antoine Harris, Oh yeah,
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: who was out of position a lot. And the next
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: week it was Eugene Wilson. And they never lost again.
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: Right right, and Lawyer was probably only other side They.
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: Lost one game the rest of the year.
• 54:52
  Speaker 10: That was it.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Bryce walks, It walks in fine to a bar. Bryce
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: rights in. I think the Patriots difficult schedule is a
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: blessing in disguise. And here's my reasoning. One, I still
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: think of this season as a building year. Thus, I'm
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: not as worried about the team's win loss record as
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: they otherwise would be. Two, I think playing best teams
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: in the league on paper will provide a better picture
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: of where the Patriots are as a franchise. They'll have
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: a better understanding of who they can build around and
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: what air is they still need to be addressed. Playing
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: stronger competition will not allow will not allow any weaknesses
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: to be hidden. Additionally, playing this schedule should help the
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: younger players in the long run. And Three, Finally, I
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: really think at at something at the start of the season,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: we should have a clear picture of Mac. Or maybe
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: it means at the end of the season, we should
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: have a clear picture of Mac. He will either put
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: up points with top offenses or not. He has completed weapons. Boy,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: this is the writing here is just terrible anyway. Yeah, no,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: it's not my reading. I'm trying to, you know, transcribe
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: this thing. I'm reading it.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: I don't really understand a couple of points on that.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: And listen, your schedule is what it is. It's nothing.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, there are gonna be years. Your schedule is
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: gonna be a little bit more daunting than others. That's
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: the way it works. But I don't really know why
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: we're okay with a hard schedule because this is a
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: what was like a rebuilding Why why are we there? Why?
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: Why why are we well?
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Isn't that you know? It's not like the Celtics where
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: we're expected to win this year.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: No, I understand that because they don't think the team
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: is that good.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Well, they don't know yet, we don't know.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: But people that don't have a lot of expectations for
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: the Patriots don't think they're that good.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Well, we don't know. They could end up being good.
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: I understand that. But people who do not have high
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: expectations for the team right now don't think the Patriots
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: are that good. That's why they don't have high expectations.
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: We haven't had any idea what's going to happen? Fred,
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: They could win thirteen.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Games, right, and then they're good.
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: Mike, Please please help me. Even when like, I just
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: don't understand why we would go into the season saying, well,
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: it's a rebuilding year anyway. Well, why we're now several
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: years removed from Tom Brady. Why are we like going
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: into a season thinking, yeah, everybuilding anyway, I'm not. I'm
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: not worried if they don't win this year because they're not.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: They're not not supposed to win, Like, no, you should
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: be at a point your quarterbacks in his third year,
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: you should be at a point where you're ready to
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: win some games. I think what people are concerned about
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: is they feel like there are teams in the conference,
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: specifically in the division, that are ahead of them. That's
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: what I mean, that's the problem.
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: I think coping.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's like if you're in the NFC,
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: I think you would be much more bullish on the page.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: That's right. I don't think I don't think maybe you
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: don't call it rebuilding, but I still think they're trying
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: to figure out who they have, Like who do we
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: have at quarterback? Like is this guy good?
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: Right? And that's so I'm not happy because we have
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: a bad schedule, like a tough schedule because of that,
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: I agree with you, but that's why I don't think
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: they're gonna do well.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: But how many times, like whether it was last year
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: or the year before, where we said, yeah, they they
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: beat the Ravens. But are they beat the Titans, but
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: they beat them without Derrick Henry? You know they are
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: they beat this team without that?
• 58:12
  Speaker 6: You know?
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: No, I know, But like I think the writer's point is,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: assuming you know, health is is you know, fairly good
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: for both teams, that you're not going to be hide
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: behind a poor opponent. And and you know, I'm not
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: get any paper wins.
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: But he's okay with that because they're not expecting to win.
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: I don't really understand that mentality, that's all. Yeah, but yeah,
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: I'm not trying to pick on the email. I get
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: point is, I don't go into a season saying, oh,
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: I'm okay if we don't beat all these teams that
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: I think are better than us, because we're not supposed
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: to be as good as that. I think we are
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: supposed to be as good as that.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: I think at the end of the end of the day,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: his blessing, as he calls it, is that we should
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: have a very clear picture of who this team is
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: at the end of the year. They could be a
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: really good team or they could be a really bad team.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: He doesn't know.
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  Speaker 6: It sounds great in theory. I just I think all
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: this like talk about what they give me. The media
• 59:04
  Speaker 6: schedule is going to be, like it really only matters
• 59:06
  Speaker 6: like the first couple of weeks, Like I don't know,
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: I look at Philadelphia, they'll probably be a lot of
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: the same kind of team that they were. But like
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: once you get into November December, these are different teams
• 59:14
  Speaker 6: than what we're talking about now, Like on paper what
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: these teams look like as looking ahead, Like I don't know.
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, you said, like how different it is.
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  Speaker 6: I do like the fact that at least.
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  Speaker 1: On paper, you're gonna see the Chiefs.
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  Speaker 6: You're gonna you know. But to Paul's point, all I
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: really need is.
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  Speaker 1: The AFC East, Like beat those teams.
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  Speaker 6: That's that's my measuring bar that I just don't understand.
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  Speaker 4: Like to me, it's not even about the schedule or
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: how much better or worse I think other teams are.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know why you would go in year four
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: Like to me, this is year four of a process
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: saying well, we're not going to be that good anyway,
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: because we're not. We're not supposed to be at that
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: level yet, Yeah you are, you should be better, right, Yeah,
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: we should be a sending at this point and I'm
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: not telling you you're not. But I don't know why
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: you would go in saying I don't mind that we're
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: playing hard teams because I didn't expect to. And even
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: if we were playing bad teams, because we're rebuilding. That's
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: the part that I don't get. They should be at
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: a level, Like I said, third year for your starting quarterback,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: fourth year post Brady, you shouldn't be looking at this well,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: it's just you know, well, but just year four of us.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: Maybe saying I do expect to beat the bad teams.
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  Speaker 1: But that's not a good measuring stick, you know, it's
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: what happens.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: He's clearly not expecting to beat the good teams. That's
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: part of what his emails he wanted. I know he
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: had a hard time writing it.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he wants to see, like, how do
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: you compete with the best? Bradley writes in I remember
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Evan seemed to notice toward the end of last year,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Max mechanics are throwing the ball were starting to fade.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: I'm curious, from what you guys have seen in OTAs,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: has he tightened those mechanics up. Are those still a
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: concern going into this year? And if so who would
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: he work with in terms of general QB mechanics.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: Well, there's no He's in a red jersey and there's
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: no real pressure on him yet, So it's kind of hard.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: If your mechanics don't look good in the spring, then
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: you just have bad mechanics, right, and I and Ma's
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: not in that category, so it's always gonna look decent
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: at this time of year. He's he's always worked with
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  Speaker 5: with Coach d his own quarterbacks coach, going back to
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: like middle school. I think that he's worked with. Obviously,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: the big one around here is Tom House, who worked
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: with Brady. You know, there's other guys that Matt Mahomes
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: has a guy, Quincy Avery's another one of them. He's
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: pretty active on Twitter, so that there's a bunch of
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  Speaker 5: quarterback you know, Jordan Palmer, like, there's a bunch of
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  Speaker 5: But you can't really assess his footworkers mechanics until he's
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  Speaker 5: in a live pocket. And in that point, I.
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  Speaker 6: Would just say I caught him a couple of times
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 6: today just having fun, you know, like he just was
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 6: out there kind of goofing around a little bit. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: he's certainly locked in when he's in the drills, but
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  Speaker 6: just something certainly didn't stand out to me last year
• 1:01:51
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• 1:01:53
  Speaker 6: saw one time he sprinted like and he might have
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: been on the wrong field. He sprinted over to the
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  Speaker 6: other side like. Its just it doesn't look like Mac
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  Speaker 5: Than I was probably five, so shut up, guys all.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I used to go to bars and restaurants to
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  Speaker 1: I have no recollection of it whatsoever.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know anybody. I don't I don't know. Maybe
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  Speaker 4: From me, probably be a baseball car. I probably could
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  Speaker 4: have told the stats. Do you think it's just because
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  Speaker 1: No, I think it was the things that you were
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: talked a lot about Juju Smith, Schuster and Jacoby Myers.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: I think a very similar players. I think there's a
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: bigger gap between Hopkins and Parker. Yeah, if that makes
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: any sense.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: This this grinds my gears about Patriots fans because I
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: blame Bill, because I think Bill has convinced Patriots fans
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: that receivers are a diamond dozen. He has convinced them
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: that they can just go ahead like they used to
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: at some points in time within the dynasty when it
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: was you know, Troy Brown and David Gibbons and David Patton,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: and it wasn't this like star studded receiving group. And
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: they think that that's going to win football games in
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty three. Where the rest of the league is
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: doing isn't an arms race, Like they're doing everything in
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: their power to get good receivers in the building. And
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 5: you hear Patriots fans a lot of the time be
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: like I don't want the number one, Like I don't
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: want that guy.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 6: I'd save the money.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: Let's spread the ball around, like you know, throw what
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: happened to throwing to the open man?
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: Save the money thing? I know, I say this all
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: the time, and I'm probably wrong. I feel like to
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: save the money thing has permeated Boston sports and it
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: drives me in saying I'll never understand why fans are
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: concerned about how much money their owners make. I never
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: get it. They're completely infatuated with it. If you think
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: a guy can help your team, I don't know why
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: you wouldn't want you to. Like I think two weeks ago,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: Evan said, this is perfect. You have the money, go
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: out and be aggressive. Sign this guy. That's the mentality
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: that I would always want to have as a fan.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: I'm not telling you this is the guy, but I'm saying,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: don't make him not be the guy because you just
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: don't think he's worth that money. I'll tell you i'd
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: want him on my team. I think he'd helped my
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: team at three million, not at ten million. I hate that.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: I hate that mentality. And you also just have the people.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: How many times have we gotten calls or emails into
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: the mail bag of they just have too many receivers
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: like something like Kendrick Bourne to somebody's got to go.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: It's like they're not in a position to be cutting
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: NFL receivers like Kendrick Bourne is an NFL receiver, Like,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: unless you're telling me that they have DeAndre Hopkins and
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: Bolt the rookies pop and Malie Cunningham turns it like,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 5: at least you're telling me that they all of a
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: sudden go from this to an embarrassment of riches. Why
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 5: are we Jennison Kendrick Bourne like he's a good player,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: Like there's no reason to be throwing him away. I
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 5: just there the warp perception of the wide receiver position
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 5: is it's trying.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: Josha Dallas thinks the Patriots been making a big mistake
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: if they don't sign Hopkins. But he wonders, does Billy
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: O'Brien want him back?
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 6: I mean, it sounds like from reports that that he does,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 6: or that you know, he'd be open to it.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: So I don't know.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 6: I mean, I think I think everything you know Paul
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: said is valid about you know, does he still have it?
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 6: How much does he really actually move the needle? How
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 6: much are we, you know, fantasizing that he's still a
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 6: player that he might not be, but considering what they have,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 6: I just I don't really see the risk in it.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 6: And you know, I think to Paul, I was sinking
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 6: about this a little bit with Parker, Like I've been
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 6: struggling trying to pin Parker down. I think he would
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 6: have been perfect as like Brendon Lafel, like when they
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 6: had kind of the interior guys, like just that complimentary
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 6: piece on the outside that you know, can go down,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 6: can stretch the field a little bit, can go up
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 6: and get some contested catches, you know, can have some
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 6: catch and run ability. But you know, I just think
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 6: trying to make him the guy, it's just a volume issue.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 6: I don't think he's ever going to be a high volume,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 6: you know guy. He's a complimentary piece when you've got
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 6: the inside pieces, and I think that's all he kind
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 6: of is.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: We just talk a lot about like who's like the
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 5: Tuesday player on the Patriots, Like when you get into
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: a meeting room for an opposing defense, who's the guy
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 5: that you're circling and they have some depth, they have
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 5: some nice pieces, like you just kind of broke down
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: DeVante Parker. I think a lot of guys fit that,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: but they still don't have that player where the coverage
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: needs to tilt in that direction or we're gonna put
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: our number one guy on DeAndre Hopkins because he's that good.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: And even if Hopkins just draws that attention just because
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: he's DeAndre Hopkins, that just opens up everything else for everything,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 5: for everybody else. So it's not even necessarily just what
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: does Hopkins bring to the table and the production that
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: he brings to the table, it's the trickle down effect
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 5: on what that's going to open up for the other
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: guys that are also going to be out there. That's why,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: like Taekwon, I wouldn't be worried about Taekwon pairing with Hopkins.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: I'd be excited about Taekwon pairing with Hopkins because it's
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 5: a complimentary player. So I think that they're still missing
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: that piece, and just at a name recognition alone, I'm
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 5: telling you, teams are going to come into those meeting
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: rooms and be like, well if they still have DeAndre Hopkins,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 5: Like whether he's putting up numbers or not, I.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 6: Think he touched on it to him and it's just
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 6: like it's not the actual football of it all, but
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 6: just I mean to generate some buzz going into camp.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think that that's something you can
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 6: just ignore and say isn't important to put some butts
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 6: in the seats to build a little buzz for this
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 6: Patriots team, you know, after a pretty good offseason, at
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 6: least as far as the draft goes. I think, you know,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 6: that would help.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: To speed rights in and Fresnoe Fred with the fatherly
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: advice about being in bed by midnight and Paul with
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: the casual porn hub shout out good stuff, classic working Blue.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: Wonder if Hopkins getting popped for peds has teams wondering
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: whether he can't perform at a high level without the jews.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: I wondered the same thing about Edelman when he got caught.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 6: Was that Now was he coming off an injury or something?
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: Is it like Edelman was?
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: Edelman was like he would like this speculation b he's using.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: Does it matter to get No, it doesn't, Like you know, Harris,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: this isn't another one of those things that like you
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: believe in, like the right fifture Santa Claus things. Is
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: it you think that guys take so they can get
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: get back from injuries faster? No?
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 6: Well that, but isn't that what Edelman did? Like that's
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 6: what I was always talking different. He said, you know,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 6: I don't know, is there a line does it matter.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 6: I guess that's your point, right, Does it matter if
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 6: you're taking him to get back faster if you're just
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 6: permanently on them.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: Oh and one of my favorite patriots of all time,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: that was his excuse, Rodney, Yeah, that's what he said.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: You know the HGH with me right right right right,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: Shoddy from Houston. Did the fellow who didn't want Hopkins
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: because of his drug suspension also want Edelman cut before
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: the eighteen season brain Dead takes like that or why
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: we are stuck with Miami's third choice wide receiver as
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: our primary number one? Wow?
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: That is funny.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 6: But I will say I think you know, you talk
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 6: about game planning and stuff like, you know, what, what
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 6: do they got in store with Kaziki and Henry and
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: I mean they seem both very involved, and you know,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: is there enough there to mind to really create something
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: like you were talking about Evan of Yeah, you know,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 6: not necessarily like oh god, we gotta figure out Kasicki,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 6: but just that this two tight end thing is kind
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 6: of an issue and we need to figure out how
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 6: we're going to match up with this. You know, when
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 6: they go into that and you know, what can they
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 6: do from it? You know, is it going to be
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 6: like twenty twelve when they were, you know, trying to
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 6: speed things up and go faster. I mean that was
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 6: a nice little twist they had coming off of the
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 6: off of the lockout. So those are the twists that
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 6: I'm exciting y.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 5: I think, like just that's what got me so excited
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: last week about Taekwond's practices. It's a spring practice with
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: no pads, Like we're not getting too far ahead of ourselves,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: but he's the guy that has the talent to break
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: out and elevate the rest of the group. Like I
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: think everybody else is kind of do you already know
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: what they are? Right? They're all just they're veteran guys.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: They've been around the league for a while. You know
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: who everybody is. The person that can really take it
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: to that next level is somebody like Taekwon. And I
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: think the tight ends, if it's even if Hopkins isn't here,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: the tight ends being in the middle of the field
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: with Juju, I think at least opens up the fact
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 5: that he's going to get some one on one opportunities
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: down the field, And that's all you can really ask for.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: Scott's and Wellesley on the aceticke A Hotline. What's up, Scott, Hey.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 17: Guys, I want to wish Paul a happy birthday.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: You know, Today's birthday, Paul Sunday. Sunday was supposed to
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: bring them in.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 17: And also I enjoyed listening to Paul reminists about playing
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 17: whipplebomb be each player, I mean, the two best guys
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 17: to imitate where he has in present, Paul, don't you agree?
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: Uh yeah, the high bat over his head, yeah, they're
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: good ones. But you could do Rick Burlson with the lean, yeah,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: you could do it was the thing to do, right.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 17: You could also do problem fisted when he put his
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 17: arms up over his head, you know, to get ready
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 17: and forever.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: But I used to do Jill Morgan like he snapped
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: the elbow against his side just before.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: Or after you were like a Mets fan. The Mets
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: win the title, that the Reds back then, Scott, I
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: don't know if you know, but Fred just likes every
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: team that wins the title.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: Shout out those.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 17: You know, get into the Patriots. I can't believe we're
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 17: even debating whether DeAndre Hopkins is a good fit for
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 17: this team. I mean, last year is first of all,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 17: anyone who's concerned about the pe ds. That's chilly to
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 17: be concerned about that, because it's not like he's going
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 17: to stop taking them. He's just hopefully he just won't
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 17: get put So in some ways it's good because he shouldn't.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 17: He shouldn't get old quick Bay some of the guys
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 17: who are actually not cheating, you know, in terms of
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 17: like you know, they hid twelve for one, fifty nine
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 17: against the Biking, ten for one or three against New Orleans.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 17: And if you look at his targets last year he
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 17: had double digit targets. They were with terrible quarterbacks showing
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 17: him the ball. Yeah, you worry about Jornton's world, and
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 17: this is the guy who's what one hundred and sixty pounds,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 17: and you don't want to bring in a guy who would.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 10: Clearly be your number one receiver.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 17: Is really I just I find that really odd, And
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 17: I don't like Paul. I couldn't care less about the money.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 17: I want to see this team make the playoffs and
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 17: get better. So I'm just curious about what your thoughts
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 17: to worry about that, and I want to test predator.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 17: Phill O'Brien questioned, Yeah, I think.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: The panel is largely in agreement with you. You know, Evan,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: especially about DeAndre Hopkins. I think he's better than Parker,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: and I don't see why you bring him in. Wouldn't
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: be interested in bringing him in.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: I would have rather had Jerry Judy, but he's not.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: We're not getting him. Bring him in. Bring in Hopkins. Yep,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: let's go to Jerry in North Carolina. What's up?
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 10: Jerry was going on everybody, Hey, Jerry, I got a
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 10: little rant to go on. I appreciate Evan for being
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 10: in his dog bag because he's going off on these
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 10: crazy fans, Like I don't understand how it makes sense
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 10: to people not to sign DeAndre Hopkins and saying he's
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 10: not a good fit when we have people here that
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 10: don't even see the still.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: Is anybody said he's not a good fit or people
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: wondering if he still has go ahead, Like, I don't
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 4: really hear a lot of people saying he's not a
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: good fit. I hear people wondering if he can run
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: anymore because a lot of the national guys have sort
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: of pulled some some personnel people around the league, and
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: there are questions of whether or not he runs as
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: well as he once did, and if maybe the the
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: end is going to come quickly for him as a result,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: Like but that, that's that's where I think people are wondering.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 10: About we don't need him to run whell, we just
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 10: need him to be a decoy to get taekwon open.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: Well, you're not going to be he can't run.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: Need more than that. I don't want to just come
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: here and be a decoy.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: I want him to You're not going to be a
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: decoy if you can't run, Like people will realize.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 10: He caught a lot of like double coverage last year,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 10: even with him being out, he was still almost a
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 10: thousand yards. Well, then I don't understand how that doesn't
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 10: make sense.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, I think we I think we think it
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: does make sense. But I'm saying I haven't heard a
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: lot of people say he's not a good fit, Like
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: he's not a good fit in this offense. I haven't
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: heard that. I've heard people wondering if you if you
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: could still play at a high level.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 10: Yeah, okay, And so my next thing is, is there
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 10: any way we can get Paul's face on a T
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 10: shirt that says what are we doing here? I would
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 10: definitely bet that shirt.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: Wow, Jerry, I love you.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: Around North Carolina with a shirt. Who is that guy? Right?
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: Might have Grandpa on your shirt.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 6: You'd be surprised. You might be in a random barn,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 6: Tennessee and all of a sudden there's some super fans there.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: Mike knows, Mike the hop Let's see Tim. Our friend
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: from Duncan writes in I'm hearing all of the Hopkins
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: talk so quick question. I know you believe they should,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: but do you think the Patriots will be the team
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: that signs him? Yes, you're saying.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 5: That, I'm believing. I'm like getting there too, dude.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 6: I just everything you said.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: It's just like.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: I don't know if Hopkins wants it. I don't know
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: if deep down the Patriots really want it. But there's
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: no like when the music stops, like it's the only
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: chair left, like it's the everybody else has already made
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: their moves, right like Buffalo drafted Dalton Kincaid. The Chiefs
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 5: are just gonna let Patrick Mahomes fix everything, like everybody
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 5: else has seemed to already have our you know, played
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: their hand this offseason kind of except for the Patriots,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: like they haven't really made that big splash. Yet, and
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: it's like musical chairs, like once it stops, there's two
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 5: chairs left.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: Talking about the potential of this happening like immediately to
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: start the off season, like this is Judy. I mean,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 6: all those things were what we've been talking about. I
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 6: mean maybe I'm you know, being a little overly optimistic
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 6: on it, but I just everything you said, it's just
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 6: it feels like it might happen.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Well, how like if you're playing kind of that braksmanship
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: type of you know, strategy, how long do you wait
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: if you're the Patriots, you know, like because you know,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: you figure the longer you wait till the more the
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: price goes down a little bit. You know, So how
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: long are you willing to risk it and wait, you know,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: get them in the hope that some other team doesn't
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: swoop in.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 6: Well, the report was he was going to visit this week.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I'd wait till next week. I'd get
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 6: through everybody, get through many camps, OTAs, like all the
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 6: off season stuff is done. So he's really any team
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 6: he goes to, he's not jumping in and you know,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 6: and then make the offer, you know, around when they
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 6: signed it, I.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: Can see them waiting until training camp.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah. See, my feeling is and I understand the what
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: Mike's point about the musical chairs and all that stuff,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: like you said earlier on the show. But I thought
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: you said it earlier in the show about like it's
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: gonna musical chairs. Okay, all right, Evans point. Evans point
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: about the musical chairs.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: I'll just.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: Is is valid. I think that there's a lot of
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: you know, there's a lot of sense in that. I
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: just feel like if that's the way it goes, then
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: he's gonna look and say, well, if I have to
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: take less to play somewhere, then I'll go to a good,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: you know, a good team. Like if I'm gonna play
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: for the Patriots, They're gonna pay me. If I'm gonna
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: play for Houston, They're gonna pay me even more. You
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: know what I mean. If I if I'm gonna play
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: for Kansas City, I'll take left. If I'm gonna play
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: for Less, I'll go to the Chiefs. I'll go to
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: the Bills, I'll go to the Cowboys. I'll go someone
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 4: where I think, you know, might might be able to win.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: Right now, I'm not saying that I don't think the
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: Patriots can win. I'm trying to put myself and if you.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 6: Have your choice.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: That makes sense, or if I have to take.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: Less, I'm going to go somewhere like Cleveland where I
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: know the quarterback and I and I love playing for him.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: You know, I still think that there's a lot of
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: hurdles to jump there.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about an incentive laden contract
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: where you know, if he catches the ninety passes.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: He makes the Patriots fan what he makes's just give
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: him incentives.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: Now he makes a ton of money, But that that's
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: risky because like if it becomes late November and he
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: doesn't have his numbers and he doesn't feel like he's
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: getting his touches, that could be a problem too. So
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think they can go that way.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's he's got to feel like wanted and respected
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 6: and it's got to be enough of that kind of offer.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 6: But I don't know, We'll see. I mean it's I
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 6: know that Kansas City and Buffalo were initially at the
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 6: top of the conversation, but now it's Cleveland and Houston
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 6: or Patriots.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: The teams that really need, you know, Ray in Saint Louis,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: what's up? Family says of course there weren't social media
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: back then when we got Moss, So could you explain
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: to me how the media reacted when we got him
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: and how it would compare if we got d hopped
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: good luck? Well, no, no, back then, remember Moss had
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: kind of worn out as welcome.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there was questions whether or not Mosque still there
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: were similarities.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: The word dog was used with him, like he was
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: dogging it. He wasn't working hard, and that's why the
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: Patriots got him for fourth round pick.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: Frankly right, But there were definitely questions whether or not
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: he could still play and if he could still run
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: stuff like that, and Fred's right, the biggest question is
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: whether or not he wanted to play. Yeah, like if
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: he just cared right, how many.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 6: Practices did you guys even see him in training? Not
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 6: a ton like like three, because I remember that crystal
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 6: clear of him like any it was a hamstring issue.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 6: I didn't practice.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: There was Hettom right in front of the No.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: One one hand right.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: No, that was that was against Revas and Jets game.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: I remember that.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: That was actually twenty Yeah, that was a different yeah.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: People think that was Yeah, actually the Patriots lost it.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 6: They did that was like the cap off the first half, and.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: That might have been like the Whiteboard game.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 6: No, that was that was twenty ten. This moss one
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 6: was the twenty ten. Yeah, they took a lead right
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 6: before half and then and there.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: Was but anyway, you know seven, like you immediately saw
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: him just beating guys left and right, and then he
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: tweaked something supposedly, and he didn't see him for the
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: rest of camp.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 6: But there were rumors that were gonna cut him. I mean,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 6: I don't know if it was Florio, it might have been,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 6: but I mean until he they unleashed him against the
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 6: Jets and he just caught that.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: I don't remember. Were the rumors that he were gonna
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: cut him.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 6: I don't remember, seem to remember.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 5: Shot.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: Borges thought there was a I thought there was a
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: chance when we didn't see him, because don't forget, he
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: has a reputation for not wanting to play anymore, like
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: not really working hard anymore, and then he misses the
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: majority of he missed the entire preseason with a hamstring,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: Like I'm talking like three weeks. What's going on there?
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: Four weeks with a hamstring, And I think Borges sort
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 4: of was speculating. I don't think he reported that he
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: will be released.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: Speculating that he could be a surprise cut. Well, I
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: I just that was the one that stuck out to
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: me was borgeous. And obviously everybody likes to pick on
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: Borges because you know and all that. Well, I was
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: a David Durell guy, so I can't.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 6: But I just remember feeling like there was some uncertainty
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 6: going in that season of what what was actually going
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 6: to happen. Then all of a sudden, I was I
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 6: watched that game at Sonny McLain's Santa Monica and the
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 6: place just I.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: Mean, when nobody knew Welker was going to do what
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: he did, and nobody knew that Moss was going to
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: do what he did, and it all just Anyone who
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: said I knew it right away is lying.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 6: But you talk like you go back to what me
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 6: and Evan were talking with with with Hopkins and Thornton though,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 6: it's like just talk about such ideal complimentary pieces between
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 6: Welker and Moss. But also you know, I think O
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 6: nine showed that having some of those extra pieces too,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 6: like you know, made a big difference, Like Jabar Gafne
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 6: didn't have a ton of catches, but you know Stalwart
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 6: didn't have a ton of catches either. But you know,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 6: some key times and some key games that last year,
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 6: especially the Ravens with with Gaffney catching that the game
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 6: when he touched down. But you know, like you had
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 6: those guys that stepped up something didn't even though they
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 6: had Moss and Welcome and O nine, they didn't really
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 6: have like those secondary guys to step up and and
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 6: fill that.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: Din't it.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: His standback?
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 6: That was he was the one holding with number nine.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 4: That was like that was a white board.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 6: He was the whiteboard.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: See, that's that was. That was the prototypical Paul like
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: Isaiah Washington. You know if he went to Washington.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: It's officially called the grease board the Greaseport, but we
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: called it. You and I called it the white We
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: called it the grease board.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: Game.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: I called it the white port. Came still do well.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: It's funny though, because they now have all complimentary pieces,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 5: but they don't have a random you know, Parker.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 6: Would have been great if you put him one on
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 6: this team.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see. Brett wants to know, speaking of gambling,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: are you able to ga or and can you make
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: gambling content? We can make gambling content, but we cannot.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: Cannot gamble on anything our This is the strangest thing
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 4: that I've ever heard. Our restrictions are more stringent than
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: the players. The players, as Mike said earlier in the show,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: can actually bet on other sports, just not from the facility.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 5: This time that was me.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: Okay, Evan said, a tough day because you think, yeah,
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to I'm trying to write too much at
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: the same time, I only have like eight hundred words
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: written to it.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 6: Wait, but I want to touch upon this because Evan,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 6: I feel like we discussed this with Evans. Evans lady
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 6: who reviewed some of these, she's she's not a lawyer,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 6: but she plays one on TV. This is like kind
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 6: of seems legally tenuous to say, like to enforce that, like.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean, like you said a million
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: times like.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: That we can't.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 6: But I couldn't go, like bet on a hockey game.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 6: I mean I don't, I won't. I don't know it.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: There's a difference between doing and I'm just saying like
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 4: if if I was in you know, some kind of
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 4: pool and they're making multi billions of dollars off of
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: DraftKings and I can't be in a draft kings pool.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: That's a tough lawsuit to win when you fired me
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: over it. Now, I'm not going to test it because
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: I'm not an idiot, like I don't have you know, thankfully,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: I don't have a problem as much as you know.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: Fred and I like to joke about it. I don't
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: bet on games, and I really haven't for like probably
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: since I was in college. Since seriously, I haven't bet
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: on a game. It's like college.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 5: I'm so nervous about the whole thing that, like I
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 5: don't let just place any bets. I don't place any bets.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 5: Like when Bart texts me about about bets, I'm like,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 5: stop texting me about bets, Like this is this is
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 5: no joke. I mean, they're they're getting players left and right.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: But we can create as much content as we want.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: Which is hypocritical.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: Because the league is making money to.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: That was me not right.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 5: We're only making money off gambling, which I don't do.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 6: But no, and I'm happy that I never really got
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 6: into it. I did a little bit of college football
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 6: back just to but I'm glad now that I never
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 6: really got into it. I got hooked on it because
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 6: that would be tough.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a run. I used to live at
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: this apartment on Commab and it was like six bedroom apartment.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: So like I tried to one day count all the
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: different roommates I had because I lived there for five years,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: five or six years, and it was like way up there.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: But for a while we were betting with a bookie
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: and it got a little crazy at one point.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, owe some money.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: Not me, not me, but like some of the guys.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 6: When I went to my Hope, my recruiting trip at
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 6: holy Cross, that my guy that I was staying with
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 6: was on the phone with his bookie the whole weekend long.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 6: I'm like, you're a college kid, Like, where do you
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 6: get money.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: To like bet on stuff? Oh that's the point.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: They don't.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: They don't have it.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 6: They're trying to get it back.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: I was talking to a kid from bu we were
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: in a bar across the street, and he said that
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: he was so behind that he had to give up
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: his car are to the bookie.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yikes.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't work in ever.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: David and Bethlehem about the wide receiver room. Who will
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: fill the room? Will Thornton have one hundred catches? And ps?
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: Mike is right about Hopkins and Watson Tingle they shared
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: phone numbers. O'Brien did not like those guys in the
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: locker room.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 6: I don't know, did him and want? Were him and
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 6: Watson very very close?
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: I think, I don't say, maybe Watson in Hopkins That's
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 4: what he said. Yeah, that the speculations that he would
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: go to Cleveland to be like I think if he
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 4: didn't have quote unquote a contender option, they would go
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 4: to Cleveland to play for Watson because, yeah, they had
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: a great relationship.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: Let's see. James Pettigrew, the most interesting Patriots fan in
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: the world, says, can you ask Evan exactly what Maphu
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: is doing at this very moment.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 6: Studying breaking?
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 5: No, I don't know right at this very moment, but
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 5: I have a Marty Mapu. I'm not gonna lie I
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: do too.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 6: I just like watching him, I do. I mean, I think,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 6: I mean it was interesting seeing him play kind of
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 6: more in the safety I mean started right at the top.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 6: He was with the safety group in warm ups, you know,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 6: just when they're doing their little ball drills. And you
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 6: know it was was rotating through, did a little of
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 6: everything on the back end too.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 5: So they tried to hit him with a misdirection play
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 5: today and he just didn't take the cheese and they
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 5: just shot out of a cannon and he just like,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 5: you know, you can't actually hit people right now, So
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 5: he just kind of like two hand touched him. And
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 5: you just saw that like swagger, like I would have
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 5: made that play, like you know, and I I just
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: I love the mental side of it, like you can
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 5: tell that he knows what he's looking at, which is
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: for these rookies, that's like seventy five percent of the battle.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 5: All of them can run, all of them are athletic,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 5: but can you actually go out there and play football?
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 5: It is the real question you break it.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 6: It's just gonna be interesting because he's tall and he's thin,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 6: like he just he's gonna have a unique kind of
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 6: look within the defense no matter where he's playing. He
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 6: just doesn't. I mean, he almost looks more to me
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 6: like Juwan Williams than like Dugger or certainly Peppers.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: You know, it's just he's not as interesting as Peppers
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 5: or Phillips. Maybe I think he's probably pretty similar to
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: Dugger in terms of measurements.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 6: Maybe a little thinner.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Cody's in West Virginia. What's up, Nakody?
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 18: Can you guys hear me?
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 8: All right?
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Do I have your first name? Right? Is it Nicody?
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah?
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 5: It is?
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 18: Okay, I might have a question and I have a statement.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 18: Since we were speaking on Hopkins, I did see that.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 18: I think it was Phil Perry that said that Hopkins
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 18: wasn't a good fit for the Patriots.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 4: Okay, I corrected, then, is it was Ralph? I think
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: manasses No there, I didn't see a lot of bad
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 4: fit other than he doesn't practice liked the same.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: I don't think he's saying that he's Phil is saying
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: he's a bad schematic football fit. He's saying his personality
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 5: is not. He's not a culture guy.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 4: I probably misunderstood what Ralph was saying. It makes more
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: sense because I thought we were talking about in terms
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 4: of how we played, like he's an ex receiver and
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: they don't. I don't want that, you know. I think
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: he's exactly what they need to be honest, get.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 6: Open and catch the ball.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: And if you have a strong locker room, you can
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: absorb that.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: You can you can do that?
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: Listen, Moss was no, I don't know, I said, if
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: you know, Moss wasn't any you know, walk in the park.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: Brady spent a lot of time one on one with him,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: keeping him in line, believe it or not, because he
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: was a pied piper. He could easily have taken some
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: of that locker room in the wrong direction.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 6: And you know, I think he did in twenty ten
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 6: and it was what was starting to happen him.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he took a lot of tender loving care Moss did.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know it's worth it.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: Floyd writes in from Redford, Michigan. Entering year three after OTAs,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: there was a buzz around Justin Fields for both his
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: noticeable improved play and leadership. Should have should the Patriots
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: have moved up three spots to draft him, had Fields
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: fell to number fifteen with the Patriots have chosen Fields over,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: he calls him teflon Mac.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 6: Sorry exact, I'm not really lamenting Justin Fields yet, although
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 6: he played great here last year.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: Looks great and shorts, Yeah, he needs to show some.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: A ability to throw the football on a more consistent basis,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: and more importantly, an ability to win some games. For
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 4: all of the incredible individual performances he put put forth
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: over the last half of the season, they didn't win
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 4: any of those games. So yeah, I think we're all
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: kind of clouded by that performance he had on the
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: Monday night game here when he did win the game,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: but that only happened two other times.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's not Mac. Can we let's talk at
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 6: the end of the season. Maybe, I think that'd be
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 6: a good comparison to look at after this third.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: Out for both of the If you're asking me what
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: I would I would rather have, I would take fields.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: But he hasn't proven that.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: He's just bigger question mark as Mac Tyler and Providence.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: Evan is one hundred percent correct in saying the Patriots
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: should do everything in their power to sign Hopkins.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 4: Mike actually said and here's why he was the.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 6: Musical chairs guy.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: In twenty eighteen, Juju had his best season, playing robin
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: to Antonio Brown's batman. Juju finished the year with over
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: fourteen hundred yards and Brown had nearly thirteen hundred. And
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: this was during Antonio Brown's age thirty season. The Patriots
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: have had much better depth than the Steelers had in eighteen.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: They had Vance McDonald, Ryan Switzer, James Washington. Big Ben
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: is a better quarterback than Mac at this point. But
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: if Mac is given a top five group around him,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: we'll see without a doubt if he can do it
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: in this league. By paying up for Hopkins, the Patriots
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: could realistically get the most out of all their offense
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: this season.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: Who plays the role of Antonio Brown.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 5: In this prime in this scenario, thirty one year old
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 5: DeAndre Hopkins.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: He says, but if we cannot add hops who had
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 4: his peak was not Antonio Brown in his peak.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: But if we cannot add Hopkins, at least we will
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: have him this year.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 6: There you go.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 5: I don't subscribe to the they have to sign Hopkins
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 5: to see what they have in Mac Jones. I just
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 5: subscribed to they should sign Hopkins because it makes him
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 5: a better football team.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 6: Like, regardless of what are you trying to do, what's
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 6: best for the team.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: I sometimes we don't do that gymnastics with me.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 6: There, that's true. I mean I agree with everything he says,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 6: like I just I just don't know if he's still
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 6: the guy, you know, And that's the only trepidation I
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 6: have about signing him, is is he still the guy,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 6: and are we wasting our time, you know, to try
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 6: to extend his career a year and he doesn't deliver?
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 6: What you know, how disappointed are people going to be
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 6: if he signed DeAndre Hopkins and he catches like thirty
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 6: five passes really just you know, just like can't can't
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 6: really do it anymore and he's fading. That's what that's
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 6: that's my fear.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: Give him some some of the juice. Little juice'll be fine.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: Let's see Stephen Maine quick over under game ready? Yeah?
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: Mac touchdown passes this year? Here, twenty five over?
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: Better be over? Over, better be old?
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 5: Definitely, I'm not ready to say over yet.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: Remandre rushing touchdowns.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 5: Eight, I'm gonna say over to that, Yeah, say over
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 5: to that.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say under.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 4: And they're in trouble, then, oh yeah, what if somebody
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 4: else gets them?
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: You always say, Paul, it doesn't matter who scores.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 5: So Mack had twenty two his rookie year.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if he doesn't have twenty five, and that's an
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: abject disaster.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 5: But then Damien Harris had like fifteen fifteen on the ground,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 5: I think we see something similar.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: Uh Taekwan receiving yards eight hundred under.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna say under, but hopefully not too much.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: I think he gets them all in one game against
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: the Jets.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: That would be the way they do it, so it
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 4: counts for one game.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 5: Right, sacks ten, I'm gonna say over.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say over on that too. I'm gonna buy
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: on him.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: Is a guy who gets ten sacks? Or is he
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: a ten sack guy?
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 10: How?
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 6: Let you know when I see how he blew by
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 6: City Sou and a rep today on city like, boy.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 5: City, the rep happens, josh uch, just like couldn't didn't
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: even get a hand on him. City Soud turns to
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: Adrian clem and Adrian clembs like, welcome to the NFL.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 6: Dude, Like good, yeah, well, I mean that's like everything
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 6: you think. City Sow is gonna like it's just a
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 6: little speed rush.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 5: It was a funny exchange. You could see that's in
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 5: his city, Soal's brain he was like, holy crap, did
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 5: you see that?
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 6: But in French?
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 6: Mom, dot is hee French French?
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: Can I call him pig in an urban setting? Urban setting,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: City Sow.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: I'm not even paying attention to That made me laugh.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna call him at all your you know, the
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 6: pig in the urban setting did pretty good job.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: It's a long way to Grandma's house.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: But urban setting. Uh, let's see and final over under
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: wins eight and a hay under.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 6: Oh no, I'm going over.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 5: I'm going over to nine wins.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm my my prediction right now, and I've been
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: very accurate over the last few years. Nine and seven,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: nine to seven right now.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 4: Okay, so what happens in the other games?
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's sixteen, nine and eight, nine and eight, nine wins,
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: nine wins.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 4: I mean I say eight and you say nine, and
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 4: it's like, I'm like, oh, tough, tough, Like I don't
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: think they're going like four and thirteen or anything. Oh,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: I just well eight and a half, I said, under,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: I think.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: But if they did go thirteen, would you be like
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: shocked out of your head?
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you would be. Okay, it's a lot of bad
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: teams in football.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: I don't I don't think a Bill Belichick coach team
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 5: is ever gonna be.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: But there are a lot of bad teams on their
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: schedule this year.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they'll find some wins.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 6: I think six is the Bill the Bill basement, like
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 6: I don't think he could coach a team that.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 5: Was I mean, they won seven games with Cam Newton
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: covid Cam Newton's corpse.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: The schedule is a lot tougher than that, But yeah,
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: i'd be I mean four would stun me like six wouldn't. No,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: but four four is really bad. Four means you lost
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 4: to like the Washington's and the Pittsburgh's and maybe even
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: the Indies.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, Jamie writes in, so let's play the game.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: If we do end up with DeAndre Hopkins, what do
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: the Patriot what does the Patriots wide receiver room look like?
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: Who becomes a cut trade candidate?
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 4: Parker Parker?
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but I still think they like Parker more than
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 6: any of us do. Though.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 4: Then that's all. I don't think there's any doubt all,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: you know, But.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 6: I just think that's the only one that really makes
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 6: sense because he's just an outside guy, and you know,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 6: I think you need some depth with Bourn in the middle,
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 6: and Thornton can maybe go inside and outside. So probably Parker.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 6: I try to trade him, but you know, what are
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 6: you gonna get trade him? Yeah? Like a fourth I mean,
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 6: but they what they trade to get him?
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: I wonder if you could trade to one of those
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 5: like we're probably not going to keep this guy, and
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 5: you're probably not going to keep that guy, and you
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 5: end up trading for somebody that fills a hole someplace else,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 5: one of those types of truth.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: Let's see Darpan from New York City Rights in Longtime Listener.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: But he has a bone to pick with Evan, although
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: before he has he picks the bone. He says he's
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: been a great addition to the show.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 5: Just picked, get to the bone, take your pleasantries.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: He says he actually takes a stand on topics and
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: is willing to stand up to Paul while Fred watches
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: in gleat.
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 4: That's accurate.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 5: So here's our Celtics argument.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: Evan has been very clear that the Patriots should give
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: whatever Hopkins wants to get him in the building. But
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: we are not talking about robots that play football here.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: We're talking about people, and everything cannot be just about
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: x's and o's. Hopkins should have been a valuable asset
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: for rebuilding Arizona, but they cut him just to get
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: him out of the building, which tells you something about
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: the person. He has a reputation as a bit of
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: a malcontent, and when you hand the bag to someone
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: like that, it's a recipe for potential disaster. See Kyrie Irving,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, Russell Wilson. Stay tuned for Aaron Rodgers. For
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: a young team like this, especially on offense, when last
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: season highlighted maturity concerns as they lashed out in the
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: face of adversity, in the one before highlighted toughness concerns
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: as they faded over the stretch. Is it wise to
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: make someone like Hopkins one of the leaders of this
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: offense by giving them all the cash because cash is
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: cachet to a lot of people. We do that and
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: then comes the mispractices, the whining when he doesn't get
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: enough targets in the game, etc.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: Just to be clear, the Cardinals part of ways with
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 5: DeAndre Hopkins because the Cardinals are tanking because they're like
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 5: they're not rebuilding this year. Their quarterback is not going
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 5: to be back maybe all year, and I don't even
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: know if he's going to be the quarterback there going forward,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 5: because if they get the number one pick, then Caleb
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: Williams might be their quarterback going for it. So the
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 5: Cardinals are are full tank mode, and DeAndre Hopkins is
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 5: not a player you want on a team that you're
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 5: trying to win three games with. So I don't think
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 5: they cut him because he's a malcontent or any of
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 5: those other things. But yeah, you run that risk that
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 5: you give him money. And its just to be clear,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 5: I don't think that the Patriots should make DeAndre Hopkins
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 5: the highest paid receiver in football, stupid like that, but
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 5: you run that risk. But I think the Patriots are
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: in a position as an organization and as a team
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 5: where that is a necessary risk at this point in time.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: What do we make of Bill's seemingly seeming infatuation with
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: him over the years.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 6: I mean that's and that for me is a big
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 6: factor because I think you've seen it dozens of times
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 6: where he's willing to take a shot at a really
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 6: good football player that you know near the end of
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 6: the line. I mean Chad Johnson, Albert Haynesworth. I mean,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 6: you know, sometimes they've worked, sometimes they have a moss.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 16: You know.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 6: That to me is a key factor. I continuing Evan's point,
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 6: like they're not gonna hand him a bag, like they're
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 6: the I mean, they can't like afford to make him like, no,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 6: this is the centerpiece of our organization. The point he's
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 6: at now, and why we think it's possible is because
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 6: they might be able to get him for a reasonable amount.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 6: As far as reasonable money goes. When you're paying a
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 6: very good wide receiver in the NFL, I mean it
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 6: will be a significant number.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 5: Of How much would you pay him, I'd I'd give
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 5: him what the Ravens gave out.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 6: Sure, Sure, you know, a couple of years, Maybe give
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 6: him a maybe give him a one of those stupid
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 6: void years in order to spread it out a little bit.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 5: I would do it on it. I would do multiple
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 5: years because I wouldn't.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: Want that money.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 6: You want to do like one year straight up?
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 5: No, No, I would do two years, thirty million dollars
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 5: with basically just the first year guaranteed and a signing bonus.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 4: So that would have carried a little bit more weight
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 4: when the guys that he was supposed to be ripping
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 4: as malcontents, most of which won championships, like it would
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: have carried a little bit more cachet to me. If
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: you don't use Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, and Kevin Durant
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: as three of your examples of why you don't want
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: to do that. Guys that won titles like you don't
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 4: want that around here? Like yes, only one that that that,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: and even he even he won a title. What am
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 4: I talking about?
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 5: You can't bring up Kyrie Irving in these Kyrie Irving
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 5: is on his own different planet.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: Like literally, but I mean it thinks the world is flat.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 4: Let's just ask and I'll ask you, Fred if they
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 4: brought DeAndre Hopkins here and he spent three years here
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 4: and was a unbelievable malcontent, but in those three years
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: they want a title, would you be okay with it?
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: Absolutely? Well?
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 6: How much did they pay him?
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: No, it doesn't matter.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 4: I mean I get like that. There's guys with a
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 4: pattern like Kyrie that I wouldn't touch right now for anything.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 4: I don't think the other three guys that he listed
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: are in that level, and I certainly don't think Hopkins
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 4: is anywhere near that level. Hopkins competes, he plays hard,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 4: Like even that stupid fumble he had on the Monday
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: Night game last year against the Patriots, yep, Like that
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: wasn't because he wasn't trying. That was because he had
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: the ball like a little bit looking he had in
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 4: one hand, but he was trying to get extra yards
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: on that play.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 4: Now I'm not saying he's perfect, and I'm not saying
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: he's not any of the things that the email, because
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 4: I do have some concerns in the locker room about
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: him a little bit, But I wouldn't say I'm not
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: going to give him any money because of that.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 6: Well, it's just like I feel like these emails are
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 6: directed towards like the initial conversation around Hopkins, which was
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 6: that everybody was gonna want him and it was going
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 6: to be a bidding war, and that you were going
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 6: to have to give him to make a huge investment.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 6: I mean, that's not the situe.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to describe this quote to either one
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 4: of you because I keep doing it wrong. But one
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 4: of you said weeks and weeks ago that clearly the
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 4: NFL didn't like he was available for anybody. Sounds like
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: Evan and clearly the NFL didn't agree. Like you could
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 4: have had him for like a seventh round pick.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 5: They're going to get him for less.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 4: But now you're going to get him for less than
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: the nineteen million it would have cost you. Right, he's
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 4: not getting nineteen probably isn't going to get the fifteen
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 4: that obij got.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: Paul and Arkansas writes in first of all, he says,
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: are you guys going back to three shows a week?
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: Once the season starts? We do the week of the
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: first game. Before the first game, we go back to
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: three shows a week. He also thinks h Hopkins signs
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: with the Patriots. Hopkins Hopkins lost out on a round
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: thirty million over the next two years by being cut,
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: and he's never finished a contract with a team. I
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: think he's looking for guarantees, and the Patriots can offer
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: the most right now and in the future with a
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: two to three year.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 4: Deal, the most as opposed to who.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I wouldn't guarantee you. Why are
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: years worth of money?
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 8: No?
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 4: No way, no, But like I don't he's.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 6: Not really in a position of power right now. It's
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 6: it's I mean, I imagine he's hiring an agent because.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: He really can.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 4: I don't think his contract is going to be.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 6: Like if someone else signs him, everyone will be like,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 6: we couldn't do that, Like that's the you're talking.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 4: I don't think his contract is going to be like, oh, well,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 4: that's rad That's why Cleveland got him, because they gave
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 4: him three times as much as anybody else's. I don't
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 4: think that's what's going to happen. I think whatever he
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 4: signs for, any team could have signed him for, it'll be.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 6: Like two years, twenty three million or something like that.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like what all right?
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: All right, well listen, that's going to be it for
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: this edition.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: Four o'clock.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: I got things to do. I got things to do.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: So we're going to wrap it up. We'll be back
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: on Thursday at our regular time at noon, and then
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