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Talks to Luke Molloy & Dylan Rees about The Keys of Marinus (3/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt pen knife, we're doing quicker.
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  Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt pen knife.
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  We're still here. We're deep in the undergrowth
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  screaming our heads off. And I'm Dylan Rees.
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  And of course, I'm joined by Joe Ford.
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  Joe Ford, how are you? You know, when you was younger,
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  Yeah. Did your dad have a euphemism
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  for like lady jungles? Lady.
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  My dad used to call it a growler.
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  That's quite a That's a nickname.
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  That is. That is universal.
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  Yeah, sorry, you just said we were so deep in in a.
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  That's what the that. Came to me.
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  A lady jungle. Yeah, that's why.
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  You've never seen one, have you? No, there was this one time,
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  right? Oh my God.
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  I went down. Yeah, just one time.
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  I did it. Yeah.
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  And I was, I was moist afterwards.
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  I think she has some sort of infection or something.
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  Anyway, I'll never went there again.
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  What a beautiful story. And we're also joined by Luke
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  Malloy, who has apparently got a review to share with us that's
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  not anyone's genitals. No, this is so Mark Campbell's
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  Doctor episode guide. This is a very famous book, I
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  think amongst Doctor Who fans. It's always ends up in the works
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  for night in IMP OH. I've got that, my dad found it
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  in the charity shop and sent it me.
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  Yeah, it's got what you'd call the sort of stereotypical Doctor
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  Who verdicts in reviews. So that definitely the ones from
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  my 80s and 90s. So you your Graham Williams here
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  is going to be shot on Hinchcliffe High.
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  And McCoy, he gives Ghost Light 15% out of 100 do.
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  You know what the most I remember the most surprising one
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  in here? He gives Just Bear with two
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  seconds. He gives the invasion about 12%
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  out of 100. Like I'm like, what are you
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  watching? OK, little little quiz for you.
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  So this is the verdict. You can guess the episode though
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  lifted wholesale from Sapphire and Steel.
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  These are some very effective horror moments and the story is
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  satisfyingly structured. 8 out of 10.
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  It's a new series episode and it only goes up to The Runaway
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  Bride this book. Sapphires.
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  Oh, the idiot's Lantern. No.
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  Oh. I can't remember anything about
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  sapphire and still. Tell us, Luke.
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  Fear her. And he goes like 15%.
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  I mean, there it is if. I ever see this man, I'm going
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  to slap him around the face. But anyway.
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  Right behind you. He's with Marinus.
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  This is this is the verdict from Campbell, which I think a lot of
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  people took quite biblical back in the day.
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  But here's the verdict. I think so.
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  That's the. Cunts, aren't they?
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  Survivor Guy. The series is first Turkey.
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  This is a badly written, badly realised homage to old film
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  serials with very shoddy production values.
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  I can't really argue that there are effective moments, but not
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  many. 3 out of 10. I'm going to all.
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  The way off. I'm going to contrast.
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  From Mark Campbell. With a review from Doc O Ho of
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  Doc O Ho reviews because I'm so ashamed of this now.
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  Is this docoho pre or post lady garden?
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  This is post Lady Garden but pre Mark obviously seduced me to the
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  ways of Keith and Marinus Android invasion and all those
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  terrible stories. Mark who?
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  Seduced you to the snows of terror.
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  He's seduced me in many ways. Are you ready for this?
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  The Keys of Baroness would have made a far better 4 parter since
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  the 1st 2 episodes set up the story quite nicely.
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  The last two episodes are the most interesting, but the middle
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  episodes are over long, amateurish, and stretched the
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  budget far beyond its limits. Oh it goes on a bit.
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  I'll just skip to the end. Fun to watch as a hokey slice of
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  60s nonsense, but lacking substance and sparkle and at
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  times feels like it isn't taking itself entirely seriously. 5 out
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  of 10. Oh, what a.
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  Prick. I used to like that guy.
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  Docko ho. More like Docko, no?
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  He's right. He's so right.
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  Although we're about to hit one of the middle episodes, so maybe
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  we'll all be bored shitless. No so much jungle sort of
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  frothing around Barbara in this. Let's go, shall we?
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  In a lady jungle. This one is slower than the
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  other two. Yeah, I'll agree.
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  No, but think of it as an escape room, like I said.
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  Yeah. But not everything, not
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  everything has to be like packed with substance.
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  Does it like think? Of it as an escape room.
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  Who are you, Emily Cook? She's got a career.
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  Let's go 321. Go.
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  We mentioned it in the first one about about if Marius wasn't
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  here, it would just unbalance the season because you don't
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  have that almost palate cleanser, even though it's still
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  doing stuff. I've just it's it's nice, it's
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  clear, it's simple, it's fun. It's a nice halfway house.
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  Can I ask when you guys see the titles of William Hartnell and
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  it says Doc, oh ho do you think of me?
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  Constantly, yes. I'm already thinking of you.
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  I'm never not thinking of you. Because you're used to talking
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  about books or something. Yeah, that's fair.
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  Dylan's misses was like, will you shut that man up?
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  You're here far too much for. That man's.
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  Voice oh, Luke Malloy has been lost in the snows of terror.
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  It's completely frozen. He's.
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  Frozen. I'm back.
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  Oh yeah, your face. Ain't.
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  Moving. I know you.
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  Are you're the froze for me? We thought you were stuck in a
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  block of ice then. I was, I was about about the
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  unbalance. I think I was thinking if you
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  moved Terry the Zygons, the season 12 as it as it was meant
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  to be and put hand to fear at the end of season 13 as it was I
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  think meant to be. Look how weird season 13 is that
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  suddenly it's just a bog standard season.
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  Yeah. Oh, I see what you mean.
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  Yeah, it's something about beginning and endings really add
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  to a season anyway. But in this one, it's the middle
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  of the season, right? That's where the gold.
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  Is, and this is, I think if you put space babies in the middle
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  of season 1, that's nowhere near as contentious.
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  Just put it in the fucking bin mate.
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  I shut up. Yeah, I have a fact.
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  Again, I don't think this is on the commentary in front of me,
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  but this is the first episode of Doctor Who ever to be broadcast
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  on BBC One because when Doctor Who started there was only one
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  channel called the BBC and BBC Two launched on this week.
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  So this is the first Doctor Who episode.
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  That is a genuinely great fact. I'll just say that the.
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  Glory of the grill. I just glanced at my phone.
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  I've got a text message from Rachel 5 minutes ago.
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  Are you talking about My Lady Jungle on a podcast?
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  No. I knew she'd be involved in one
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  of these one day. Would she come and do a podcast
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  with us? Maybe she wouldn't do it on
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  black and white Doctor Who though, no.
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  Would you be more embarrassed to show her this or scream with a
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  shout car? I wouldn't be embarrassed to
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  show her this. She just like it just wouldn't
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  even go. It wouldn't even reach.
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  You know, they're bullets in Dalek that just melt before they
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  even hit that. That's what this would be.
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  But what episode only? Oh no we get the first season
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  move, the bullets melt, don't know.
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  Then after that they just spark off.
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  Yeah, it's like in the 1st in Rose, the Sonic scudge.
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  I was a little blue Funnel, Yeah, rather than getting that.
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  They realize they couldn't afford that effect.
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  Looks good though. Do you remember for one story
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  when the Cybermen could run really fast?
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  Yeah, and that gets dropped halfway through that story.
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  Terrible. Oh, poor Susan.
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  Look, she's having a terrible day.
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  She's on her hands and knees now though.
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  Why don't leave me, Bob? Oh, look at those creepers
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  moving seats of doom. If Susan and Barbara swap places
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  in a couple of stories, Susan would just be dead and we'd all
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  be happier. She's the most intolerable, I
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  think, in The Reign of Terror, which is another Hartnell
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  favorite of mine. But she is intolerable.
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  In that, that bit in the cell where the wolf is coming in and
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  Barbara's just going shut up, Susan, like, come on, let's dig.
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  I for someone that's not big on historicals, I love the rate of
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  terror, but it is partly due to Hartnell absolutely pumping
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  someone with a shovel. Just what I was going to say, he
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  goes. Are we coming back to do Reign
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  of Terror in a few months time? Yes, of woah, let's do it.
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  That kid who goes, excuse me, Monsieur, in the most cockney
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  French accent you've. Ever heard?
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  Is it the most accurate depiction of France ever been on
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  screen? I think so are.
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  Things as a model, yes. Do you know if this was Vicky,
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  right, they wouldn't have to be looking after her like this, you
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  know, she's cuddling Susan and stroking her arms and she's
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  waiting like a. Badge.
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  That's not Caroline Ford's fault.
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  No, no, I know, I know. They got the characterisation
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  wrong. Partly wrong.
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  Like when Vicki comes along in her first story, I'm not talking
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  about a rescue. Now she's like, come on, doctor,
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  let's go to Rome. And then they find a bloody body
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  down the street and she goes, oh, what conspiracy?
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  How exciting that was, Susan, Can you imagine an awful body?
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  Oh, what would we do? Susan a piss on her knickers
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  when she found it, wouldn't she? She would.
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  Oh look and have a bloody statue that moves.
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  Yeah. Now I don't know whether you
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  know this. And no production notes needed.
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  Those are not stone hands there. Really.
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  Do they have a bit of a grope like is, is there a scene hand
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  being a little bit, you know? Inappropriate.
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  It did get me to thinking, you know, that could have been the
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  USP of the Weeping Angels. What the?
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  They just grab people's asses. Yeah, it's a bit dodge, but you
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  know, you, like you said, it's not the dodgiest thing in this
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  story. No, absolutely not.
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  As they're trying to sort of figure out what they can and
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  cannot do, and gropie statues is a no.
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  I mean Barbara. 'S sort of gropes the statue
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  rather than the FRA round. The hands belong to someone
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  called Ben Bob Hadlow, who was an extra, not a stagehand.
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  He was getting his fate that day, wasn't it age?
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  Hands. Oh, Bob had her.
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  Look at it. And so she has to climb up
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  because they realised that she the hands wouldn't reach around
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  her if she was stood on the floor.
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  She was supposed to be on the floor.
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  Well, they'd reach somewhere, but.
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  Do you remember Dylan? You're not pulling someone
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  around by the tips. You're you're far too young to
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  remember this, But Dylan, you might remember this.
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  Do you remember when Sky TV did that Doctor Who weekend?
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  Yes, you mean BBC choice? Oh no BS.
• 12:02
  BBSB and they were doing like ad adverts of Doctor Who's stories
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  was like funky disco music over it and lots of black and white
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  clips and Barbara going help me. It was so desperate to watch
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  those sort of wait. But I begged her please will you
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  go out and buy Avhs Player and I got one as well.
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  So have you seen the whole weekend?
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  I've never seen the whole thing. I had to take loads of it.
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  Yeah, I think I've still got the cassette somewhere.
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  I'll dig them out. Oh, excellent.
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  Come into too hot for TV near you?
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  14 hours worth of commentary. Wonderful.
• 12:36
  I, I love the, the structure of Marinister.
• 12:41
  I like how people pop in and out like the doctors.
• 12:44
  The doctors are going to go, these are about to pop on to
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  next week. The pop in that it is structured
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  like flux, and it is. It does feel like quite a modern
• 12:52
  thing to do, but this is 19. 64 fucks off for the middle of the
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  season, just like Shooty Gatler does in his first season.
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  But like the different location everywhere, people join in,
• 13:03
  popping back in, leaving, I mean.
• 13:06
  It is great, but. It is fluxy and it is just feel
• 13:09
  modern I think. I think making it so simple, the
• 13:14
  quest to making it clear and simple does help over say the
• 13:18
  flux thing of just being wildly like flux is ambitious.
• 13:25
  I'll give it that. But if it had a clear simple
• 13:28
  questi thing, it might help all these other bits that are flying
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  in and out of it because. I don't think a clear, simple
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  quest necessarily works on television.
• 13:37
  Maybe not the modern, I definitely like the idea of
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  people popping in and out on different locations every week,
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  but it'll all be in part the same thing.
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  Although in terms of sort of motivation and friendship, Luke
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  say Dylan had just gone into, you know, got on top of that
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  statue and it had grabbed hold of his sumptuous ass and he was
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  away in that wall. Yeah, screaming his head off.
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  And then you turn around to me and said, well, I'm going to go
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  off to the next area now. All right.
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  I'll leave you to deal with this.
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  I don't think Dylan would be too happy with you.
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  Yeah, it's true. It is quite strange that they
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  all go, especially when they when they find out this is not
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  the right key now and then he's like, just go on, I'll sort this
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  out. That is quite strange.
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  That had to be done at some point, didn't it?
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  Fake key, yeah. But when I was in Old born and
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  that fake Nick Briggs, the last is Andrew my I didn't see
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  usually to the rescue. Oh, Joe's choking.
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  It was so funny, that's why. Let me let me repeat fake Nick
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  Briggs. I have never seen Luke look so
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  more scared ever. Oh, thank you.
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  Can you not do that when I'm drinking, please?
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  Where are we going? Something.
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  We've been to Old Born. Where's our next meter?
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  It's a shame there's no Mariners really for us to go to, no.
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  Time Warrior castle. Time Warrior Castle.
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  We could always find a lady jungle for you to visit, Jeff.
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  Yes, please. I'd like to go to the stone
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  circle from the Stones of Blood. Yeah, that'd be good to know.
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  The the the what? You call it like the mill from
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  Mark of the Irani or Ultimate Foe.
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  One or the other. But the one by Ultimate Foe?
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  That's right, by Mikey Smith's house.
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  Oh. There we go.
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  Oh, Mikey. Hi.
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  Yeah. Did you, did you notice how that
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  stagehand or extra it still didn't say it did?
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  Not grab. Ian's also his hands were a lot
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  lower. And look at this knight in
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  shining armour, the statue that's about to try and twat
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  Ian. That looks like a person as
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  well. Are these androids saying what
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  are they? No, I think it's just a trap.
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  Or maybe it's a Gundam robot. It is that they're traps to to
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  stop forward getting in. I would say that this episode,
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  no, not the next one that's got the attempted rape in it, but
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  this episode especially is absolutely geared for kids.
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  Yeah, for kids to be going all the way in behind you, you know,
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  like a panto. It's also like it's doing this,
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  the sea to doom thing that the triffids thing, you know, it's
• 16:24
  creepy, creepy plants and stuff like that.
• 16:26
  It's quite a classic sci-fi tale.
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  They do it in Out of the Unknown as well.
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  You mean aggressive rhubarb Dylan?
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  Yes, quite. Poseidal gooseberries.
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  Oh exactly. That's what I call my balls.
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  Oh, I love big balls. Oh, please move us on.
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  I think this is the point where Ian being a kimono starts to get
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  really funny. Does he take it off before the
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  end of the story? I.
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  Don't think he does. What's after this?
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  Is it the Aztecs? Yeah.
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  Oh, he wears some fabulous clothes and that's a huge helmet
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  he's got with the feathers on him.
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  William Russell's huge helmet. Do not go in that door.
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  No good will come of you going in that door, all right?
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  And every. The whole set wobbles as he hits
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  that door. Yeah, yeah, the the Roman column
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  just wobbled there. Well, exactly.
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  Do you feel it's like escape rooms?
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  Have you ever done any? I've never done one but it
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  doesn't feel like something I'd like.
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  I did the Time Lord Victorious 1, you know, the one with the
• 17:29
  Dalek in the spaceship. So fucking boring honestly.
• 17:34
  I did my best to escape Time Lord Victorious in general so.
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  It was the only. Time I collected all of it.
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  I ever saw Mark angry like you. Can you ever imagine Mark being
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  angry? He was properly angry in there
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  because he didn't think they were adequate instructions for
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  each of the puzzles. All cat weasels just shown up.
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  Go on I. Was going.
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  To say I haven't done an escape room but I did do the Crystal
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  Maze like the the interactive experience.
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  That you get to go in the big Dome at the end with all the
• 18:06
  gold and silver tokens. Is that, is that where Peter
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  Purvis and more, you know, Brian are going next?
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  No, I think that I'd probably finish them off.
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  How badly does Peter Purvis come across in that?
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  I turned it. On hanker sexist old man he
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  comes across as. Yeah, I mean, that's him.
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  Oh, Barbara's been killed by a net.
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  That's a net, not. Somebody called the net.
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  Oh, look at this. Cheap.
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  Spikes. When when Darius turns.
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  Up BBP now to me. When Darius turns up, my first
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  thought is is just that sort of who the fuck's that?
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  And it does sort of make you sit up.
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  I don't know, like you're just not expecting anyone to be in
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  this jungle. All the traps Ian's behind bars
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  now as well. Loads of knives are descending
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  from the ceiling. The plants are alive.
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  This is high octane action. These are so wobbly.
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  Look at these. Yeah, these are.
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  These are. They look like they're
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  descending to give her a right good tickling still.
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  Be it. Oh dear.
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  Here he comes. That's it.
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  Bend those bars, Ian. You're a true hero.
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  But he's trying really hard not to bend the bars because they.
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  I don't think that those spikes go much longer.
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  That's why they're going down so slowly.
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  They're a bit like this sort of thing.
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  He's sick in a snowman for arms, aren't they?
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  Yeah. What I think you'll pick out
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  mate from our teeth with you know they.
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  Are no wobble enough? Again, on board watch, this guy
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  says that he suspects Barbara of being a board, so they must look
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  like. So who is this man?
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  Darius. Bit more, bit more.
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  That's why when he said that I was, I didn't realise he was in
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  this. But.
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  Has he been sent by Arbitan as well?
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  Now do you know who that is though?
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  Tell us. Peter Cushion.
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  It's Edmund Moric. It's not barely imperceptible
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  from the real thing. He does look like Cat Weasel
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  though, doesn't he? He wears robes similar to those
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  of Arbitan or whatever it's called.
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  Does he not have a washing machine?
• 20:22
  Those robes are filthy. He's a dirty, stinky old man.
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  Imagine what his knobs like. Oh yeah.
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  OK, so Arbitan has sent him. How many people has he sent to
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  his to their deaths? Loads, apparently, yeah.
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  Just think of all the people that didn't make it.
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  Yeah, Oh dear, that bar. Yes, this is.
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  This may be. The cheapest episode as well.
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  Yeah, or Darius has been. Strangled by the plants now.
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  And I don't think he likes it. It's he's not going out like
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  Michael. Hutchins auto asphyxiation,
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  yeah, I can't imagine how that would ever be pleasurable.
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  Help him for. Say come out of mine, I'll show
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  you. You look like a good strong man,
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  you know. I use my Tom Baker scarf Ian
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  needs. To be careful.
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  Did you see him cutting that vine with that he nearly he?
• 21:20
  Nearly cut his ear off. He wouldn't care.
• 21:22
  Yeah, that's true. No, but Darius was almost doing
• 21:25
  a van golfing for a second. Is his name really Darius?
• 21:29
  Yeah, don't hurt Darius, OK? Now he dies in a second because
• 21:34
  he. I was forgotten, yeah.
• 21:36
  And then with his dying, I don't.
• 21:38
  Remember any of this? With his dying breath, he says
• 21:40
  like DE 3. Rather than go in that jar over
• 21:45
  there. Yeah, it's like that dreadful
• 21:50
  Blake Seven episode, I know if it could be any one of them, but
• 21:53
  where the woman spells out in blood the name Sara.
• 21:59
  Yeah, because she's trying to identify the the person who's
• 22:02
  killing people, but they go 545 S or something like that.
• 22:08
  They think it's a code for. It's just terrible, this shit.
• 22:10
  Still goes on though. Have you ever seen The Batman
• 22:14
  with Robert Patterson? No.
• 22:17
  The Riddler is putting out all these riddles that are the most
• 22:19
  basic riddles and everyone's going.
• 22:21
  I just don't know what that means.
• 22:22
  We're all going to die and I don't know.
• 22:23
  And they're the most Googleable answers to any riddles.
• 22:26
  It's like everyone's going. It's a fucking bat, you idiot.
• 22:29
  It's like, I don't know why people.
• 22:31
  All the Doctor just writing birds into the sand in the
• 22:36
  greatest episode of all time. Yeah, no, that's this.
• 22:41
  To be. Fair though Darius and Ian and
• 22:46
  Barbara didn't have Google so that's try and figure this out
• 22:48
  between them you know? That's very true, but Edmund
• 22:50
  Warwick could have said it's that jar over there but the one.
• 22:55
  Oh, Dylan is is totally serious. He's deadly serious.
• 22:58
  Did you? Just see how how Darius died.
• 23:00
  He just sort of gently lowered himself down and shut his eyes.
• 23:04
  It's kind of how I'd like to go, especially with Ian and Barbara
• 23:07
  cradling me. Dying in the arms of Ian and
• 23:12
  Babs. There's there's only certain
• 23:14
  people I'm happy to spend an episode with when the doctor's
• 23:17
  not in it. He got Ian and Barbara, Elton,
• 23:20
  Pope and and Lindy. Pepper, I thought you were going
• 23:24
  to say else. Then I thought you were leading
• 23:26
  up to a compliment. No.
• 23:30
  I I only really like BBV so I'm all about doctor stories without
• 23:33
  the doctor in them. Yeah.
• 23:36
  Or sort of fake Poundland doctors.
• 23:38
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wish.com.
• 23:41
  Doctor Who. That's right.
• 23:42
  And there those are coming to a hamster near you, you know?
• 23:46
  Oh yeah, this is some crazy logic, you know, to it's like
• 23:50
  D3O2. So that means turn it three
• 23:52
  times and then. Fucking science teacher.
• 23:56
  Could he not figure out it was one of these formulas on the on
• 24:00
  the? You know, I've got a degree in
• 24:02
  science. I've never heard of DE3O2.
• 24:05
  I'm not sure my mind. Science.
• 24:09
  Yes, you kept that under a rock, didn't you?
• 24:12
  He's mentioned it like a triangular rock.
• 24:15
  OK. No daily chance get a bit back
• 24:18
  on me because it was because it was panopticon jokes.
• 24:21
  Who wants to use this? I could.
• 24:23
  I could feel it, no. Never.
• 24:24
  I would never try and get a bit back on you.
• 24:26
  I'm above you. Oh, let's be honest, we've all
• 24:30
  got running jokes on each other. That's true.
• 24:34
  One more person mentions my fucking editing, all right?
• 24:39
  Oh, welcome back to. OK, now let's look in the books.
• 24:43
  OK, maybe this is a little devoid of instant.
• 24:46
  This. This, Yeah, this one is slower
• 24:48
  than the other two. It's probably the worst of the
• 24:50
  six, I would say. Probably the best of the six.
• 24:53
  But it looks good, you know what I mean?
• 24:55
  Like it's still visually interesting.
• 24:58
  And Ian and Barbara are doing their best to sell it, you know,
• 25:01
  and keep us interested. And you're getting a different
• 25:03
  monster every week. So you've had you've had bored
• 25:06
  no brains and jars, plants, plants.
• 25:09
  You get robot things next week. The lush, aggressive vegetation
• 25:13
  starts coming through those slats in a minute.
• 25:15
  I think it looks rather good, actually.
• 25:17
  Yeah, it feels, it feels claustrophobic.
• 25:19
  No, you did a good. Job.
• 25:22
  The trouble is they're sort of waiting it out now, aren't they,
• 25:24
  until their plants attack. Oh, he just said look, if you
• 25:27
  could just speed up everything. Yes, please.
• 25:32
  Oh, to be fair, there's only two minutes left again, so they the
• 25:35
  plants will have to attack. Them just like smashing
• 25:37
  everywhere trying to find it. That's my approach, Yeah.
• 25:42
  There's only like 10 things in that room.
• 25:47
  You think about that done, couldn't they?
• 25:49
  24 hours? That's done.
• 25:51
  But if things start coming down from the singly and I can't
• 25:53
  remember, I just remember. It's really funny.
• 25:58
  OK, Looking through books. Yeah.
• 26:01
  Barbara's yawning. This was after lunch.
• 26:08
  It's no wonder it feels sort of pacey when Hardell comes back.
• 26:13
  But you can tell how does that two weeks off holiday.
• 26:16
  Yeah, it is just I'm back, baby. Basically, what's that you think
• 26:20
  you're good enough for this show?
• 26:21
  It's mine, baby. It's great.
• 26:25
  That must be what Susan Hirsch what's causing it?
• 26:28
  Come on now. Bring on the plants.
• 26:30
  Bring on the plants. Barbara does have a fabulous
• 26:35
  bouffant haircut, doesn't she? Obvious to say, but oh, here we
• 26:41
  go. Great cardies, great hair.
• 26:43
  Look at that front. Oh, that looks like a rotto.
• 26:49
  It just hasn't trimmed. Trimmed this year.
• 26:51
  Do you imagine this is all on poles and strings?
• 26:54
  I think that was someone's hand. Not a game, was it?
• 26:58
  Was it Ben or Bob? Whatever he's got.
• 27:01
  Bob yeah, getting his money's worth.
• 27:03
  Coming after Babs for another thing.
• 27:05
  Shit in hell, those plants are smashing that place to pieces.
• 27:09
  Yeah, look, Jesus Christ. They are smashing Darius's back.
• 27:14
  Doors and there's Bob. No, no.
• 27:16
  It's around her legs. It's astonishing, you know, when
• 27:18
  you're in a situation of extreme peril, the house, suddenly the
• 27:21
  clues that you've been given all kind of come to short focus and
• 27:24
  you get the solution. My God, it must have been.
• 27:28
  They were talking about a formula.
• 27:29
  Do her do the trousers have elastic bits that go around
• 27:32
  their feet? I'm not sure.
• 27:36
  That's what I just noticed. Have we learned something there?
• 27:40
  Have we actually learned a bit of science?
• 27:42
  I don't think definitely. I feel like the the theatre is
• 27:47
  not. Please put that degree of yours
• 27:48
  to good use. You do get a bit of education in
• 27:51
  Episode 1 where they approach the temple because, you know,
• 27:54
  the original remit and they sort of go, Ian goes, oh, I wonder
• 27:58
  how they built it. And then they start talking
• 27:59
  about how the Egyptians built things and.
• 28:03
  I just don't think DE3O2 is a real thing.
• 28:06
  Maybe it's John Gori's post code.
• 28:09
  John Summer Gori. That was the sort of clue that
• 28:12
  was in that time. Lord Victorious.
• 28:15
  Of course. GE3O2 you just carry it doesn't
• 28:18
  make any sense. And here we are.
• 28:20
  It's not. It's not.
• 28:22
  Styrene's phone. The snows of terror.
• 28:25
  This is very strange, isn't it? Like they instantly arrive and
• 28:28
  then it's just, oh, I'm so cold I can't move, I'm just going to
• 28:32
  die. Have you ever stood in a
• 28:34
  Blizzard in just that tiny little jump bar?
• 28:37
  They've. Got shoes on?
• 28:38
  But neither of them. I think I think I would move a
• 28:41
  bit. Yeah, I'll be like, we should
• 28:43
  really find somewhere right now. Yeah, it's that Ice Warriors
• 28:47
  music as well that just comes in right at the end.
• 28:50
  It sounds very similar but I think every 60s thing that had
• 28:55
  the tundra in always used like. Do you know what though?
• 29:00
  Right, That's the. Sound of ice.
• 29:01
  Episodes 1-2 and three all got 9 billion viewers.
• 29:05
  No one ducked out of the first 3 episodes, and then 40 got 10
• 29:10
  million. More people came for the rape.
• 29:18
  I'm surprised Doctor Who didn't do more of this afterwards.
• 29:20
  They're like, well, that's what. This is what?
• 29:22
  People did. Did you watch the Ty Meddler?
• 29:25
  Yeah. Poor old Enid.
• 29:27
  He did. He did whatever.
• 29:30
  Mark's favorite? Oh boy, boys.
• 29:33
  Well, that's three down. There's three to go that.
• 29:37
  Honestly flew by it. Does, doesn't it?
• 29:40
  I could watch him again. I'm not sure about episode 3.
• 29:45
  I don't want to watch that one again too though I think is
• 29:49
  absolutely glorious. But actually now I'm
• 29:53
  reconsidering and I think maybe 5 and 6 might be my favorite
• 29:56
  because Lady Painful turns up at the end of the story.
• 29:58
  Doesn't. She Yeah.
• 29:59
  She's an evil bitch in this too. I never knew that was her.
• 30:03
  Nice. Never say Fiona Walker's
• 30:05
  typecast. She is.
• 30:07
  I wouldn't. She's denied.
• 30:11
  I'm not sure. Is she going to turn up in the
• 30:13
  75th anniversary? I'll find out.
• 30:16
  She was there at the start, she was there at the 25th.
• 30:18
  Did she do anything at the 50th? She might have been under one of
• 30:21
  the clothes in the under gallery.
• 30:25
  I mean, we didn't know it was definitely Colin Sylvester and
• 30:29
  Peter Davison inside those monster costumes in Reboot, did
• 30:33
  we? Well, we definitely know.
• 30:35
  Oh. No, that's why I'm asking you
• 30:37
  do. What I don't know they.
• 30:39
  Said it. They said it wasn't them in the
• 30:42
  in the thing. And who's Doctor Phil?
• 30:47
  Fiona Walker's still alive but she's aged 80 so I don't know
• 30:49
  whether she's making the 75th anniversary.
• 30:52
  But who would she play like another aged harridan, the.
• 30:57
  Time that's. She could have been Tectayoun.
• 31:03
  She could have, but then, you know, would have been robbed of
• 31:07
  That's true. Any thoughts on Tecton Luke?
• 31:12
  Who's that I'll? Cut it, I'll cut it there.