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Non-Lethal Carry · Chuck Douglas

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  Speaker 1: Greetings, salutations, welcome my friends to another edition of the
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  Speaker 1: Power Hour on 610 WTVN. I'm Chuck Douglas, you know
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  Speaker 1: who you are, and we take it from there. We
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  Speaker 1: get one hour together, which means I talk really fast
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  Speaker 1: and you must listen even faster. My numbers are 821-9886, 821-WTVN,
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  Speaker 1: or 1-800-610-WTVN. And I come in here once again loaded
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  Speaker 1: for bear, just all fired up, vim and vigor, as
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  Speaker 1: they say, and ready to roll. How you doing, Zach?
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  Speaker 1: How you doing? You holding up? You doing okay?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Got your AL-8s in there? Of course. A little snacking,
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  Speaker 1: a little drinking? Always. Yeah, okay, good. I'm glad to
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  Speaker 1: hear that. So here's the deal. Yeah, this was a
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  Speaker 1: surprise topic that popped into my head. But during the
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  Speaker 1: last hour, we had Keith Faber in here. And Keith,
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  Speaker 1: he's running for office. He wants your vote and all
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  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. We were talking about, though, his
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  Speaker 1: trip up to LEPD, and he was looking at the
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  Speaker 1: burner launchers up there. And he and I were having
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  Speaker 1: some conversation off air about him because I bought one
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  Speaker 1: about a month ago. And I got a message from
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  Speaker 1: Jack on Messenger. And he has not responded back to
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  Speaker 1: me yet to tell me who it was that told
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  Speaker 1: him this. But he holds a concealed carry permit. But
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  Speaker 1: he was informed apparently that you cannot legally conceal a
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  Speaker 1: burner launcher. I am intrigued by this because it's not
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  Speaker 1: a firearm. It is a less than lethal launcher. But
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  Speaker 1: it's not a firearm. I can't see that holding up
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  Speaker 1: in court. If you were to go to court with
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  Speaker 1: something like that, it's like you could stab somebody in
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  Speaker 1: the temple with your car key. And that will kill them.
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  Speaker 1: So you can put your car keys in your pocket
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  Speaker 1: and keep them concealed. I don't see what this is
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  Speaker 1: not a gun. I don't see how that is. It's
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  Speaker 1: illegal to conceal that. And I'm I'm intrigued by this.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is. It just seems
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  Speaker 1: if it is indeed true. Then we need to rework
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  Speaker 1: the concealed carry laws.
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  Speaker 2: I don't I don't think that's. I mean, the Internet
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  Speaker 2: machine says you can. Well. You can generally conceal carry
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  Speaker 2: a Burma pistol without traditional concealed carry permit because it
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  Speaker 2: uses compressed gas instead of gunpowder.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what he was told, though, is it's illegal to
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  Speaker 1: conceal it according to his message.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he sent me the same thing. I just must
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  Speaker 2: have glanced over it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, OK. Oh, so he's talking to both of us. Yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't like that at all because I'm way more
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  Speaker 1: important than you. Yeah, I just I'm intrigued by that.
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  Speaker 1: So I sent out a couple of messages to a
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  Speaker 1: couple of different people who I hopefully might know. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know any attorneys that are specifically concealed carry attorneys
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  Speaker 1: that I could ask. So I went to the next
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  Speaker 1: best place, and that was people who work in the industry.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. One of them was Eric.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't. It doesn't because, like I said, your car
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  Speaker 1: key can be used as a weapon, but you can
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  Speaker 1: conceal your keys in your pocket. One of those launches,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's burner or saber or whatever, it is less
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  Speaker 1: than lethal. Now, the perfect storm, if you were to
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  Speaker 1: fire one of those kinetic rounds, you're five feet from
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  Speaker 1: somebody and it hits them just perfectly in the temple
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  Speaker 1: or maybe, I don't know, could it do something like that?
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  Speaker 1: Because they hit hard. But as a general rule, they're
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  Speaker 1: little plastic balls about the size of a paintball,. 61
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  Speaker 1: caliber is what they are. And they'll smack you. Effective range,
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  Speaker 1: according to their publicity and propaganda, is 60, I think
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  Speaker 1: it's 60 feet. But it is not meant to kill someone.
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  Speaker 1: It is meant to slow the action, deter the bad guy.
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  Speaker 1: And then the gas rounds, the tear gas or the
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  Speaker 1: pepper spray rounds, whatever you're using, those are meant basically
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  Speaker 1: to make it so they have to, they're crying, they
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  Speaker 1: can't see, and they can't focus, and that gives you
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  Speaker 1: an opportunity basically to escape the danger. Less than lethal.
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  Speaker 1: But if you can't carry that concealed, seriously... Yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: need to rework that.
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  Speaker 2: Is the non-lethal shooting team going to cover these burners?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. I still haven't. And I actually asked
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  Speaker 1: a couple of officers. I sent messages to a couple
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  Speaker 1: of my friends that are police officers and asked them
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  Speaker 1: exactly what the hell is a non-lethal shooting team. It's
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  Speaker 1: the police. The investigative process after a shooting has occurred...
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  Speaker 1: The detectives, the forensics people, I don't understand why there's
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  Speaker 1: a specific team and why it must be concentrated in
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  Speaker 1: one area.
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  Speaker 2: So that's just police doing police work, looking at a shooting.
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  Speaker 1: As far as I can make out, yes. Right. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't see why you have to say, okay, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to put the non-lethal shooting team in the Linden area,
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  Speaker 1: now the Hilltop area. So does that mean if somebody's
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  Speaker 1: not dead that those officers can't respond to the call
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  Speaker 1: or what? I don't know. I don't know. Um, what
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  Speaker 1: I do know is they probably are going to work
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  Speaker 1: hand in hand with the office of violence prevention.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Um, we, we had an arrest. Hang on. Let me
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  Speaker 1: pull this guy up. His name's sincere. Did you see this?
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of violence prevention.
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  Speaker 2: Is that a real name?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. But it's, it's, it's spelled stupidly. Um, But
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  Speaker 1: he has been arrested for multiple, multiple violent crimes. He
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  Speaker 1: is 19 years old, arraigned on dozens of charges in
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  Speaker 1: a string of violent Columbus shootings. Among them, the drive-by
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  Speaker 1: at the funeral a couple of weeks ago. Arraigned on
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday morning, dozens of charges tied to a three-week stretch
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  Speaker 1: of gun violence investigators say includes a late July shooting
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  Speaker 1: at a home, an August shooting at another residence, and
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  Speaker 1: a drive-by attack on a funeral procession at Antioch Jordan
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  Speaker 1: Church on Woodland Avenue. S-I-N-C-E-A-R. Sincere Cokes. Like the soda.
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  Speaker 1: Sincere Cokes. Facing charges that include felony discharge, unlawful possession
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  Speaker 1: of dangerous ordnance, carrying a concealed weapon, violations, felonious assault.
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  Speaker 1: How about attempted murder? I still don't understand this either.
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  Speaker 1: When you fire a gun at someone, should it not
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  Speaker 1: be assumed that you are attempting to kill them? Is
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  Speaker 1: that reasonable? Am I being reasonable there?
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  Speaker 2: Unless you're Jason Bourne and know how to shoot somebody non-lethally.
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  Speaker 1: Attempted murder should be on everybody who discharges a weapon
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  Speaker 1: at someone else. Attempted murder should be one of the charges.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not. Charges connected to three separate cases occurred
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  Speaker 1: between July 29th and August 17th. On July 29th, police
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  Speaker 1: responding to 2722 Barrows Road. Reports of a house being
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  Speaker 1: struck by gunfire. Surveillance video showed four individuals walking in
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  Speaker 1: the street, stopping in front of the residents and firing
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  Speaker 1: multiple rounds with automatic handguns, according to court documents. OK, now.
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  Speaker 1: I because I don't trust media to know which way
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  Speaker 1: is up when it comes to weapons. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if this means converted to fully automatic rapid fire, because
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times they will say a semi-automatic handgun
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  Speaker 1: is an automatic. And media has not helped. Even on
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  Speaker 1: Perry Mason episodes from the 60s and late 50s, Perry
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  Speaker 1: Mason was like, it was a 32 automatic. It's semi-automatic. Semi-automatic.
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  Speaker 1: It means each pull of the trigger... Fires a round.
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  Speaker 1: That's semi-automatic. Automatic means fully automatic to me, which means
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  Speaker 1: one pull of the trigger and until you stop pulling
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  Speaker 1: the trigger, the gun doesn't stop firing. That's automatic. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: stopping in front of residents, firing multiple rounds, automatic handguns,
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  Speaker 1: according to court documents, the crime scene search unit collected
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  Speaker 1: 44 shell casings, two projectiles. Out of 44 shell casings,
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  Speaker 1: only two bullets? Really? Investigators believe the gunfire was intended
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  Speaker 1: for a previous tenant, Diamante Johnson, who was shot days
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  Speaker 1: earlier in the Leader Square shopping center on Petzinger Road.
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  Speaker 1: Johnson died days later from his injuries. On the evening
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  Speaker 1: of August 15th, police responding to 1062 Kelton Avenue. Shot
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  Speaker 1: spotter alert out there. They found a residence had been
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  Speaker 1: struck multiple times. Three individuals were inside the home. None
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  Speaker 1: of them were injured. Video evidence showed a dark colored
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  Speaker 1: BMW or BMW SUV. How the hell are you out
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  Speaker 1: there shooting up and driving a BMW? Man, I need
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  Speaker 1: to switch jobs. I need to be a professional drive buyer.
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  Speaker 1: Where do you apply for that? Is there an application
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  Speaker 1: process that you know of?
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  Speaker 2: Uh, No, I've been trying to join the mob for
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  Speaker 2: a while. I keep dropping off my application.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing.
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  Speaker 2: It's like they don't even answer back.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have a cool mob name? Just a little.
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  Speaker 1: You need a cool mob name and the mob will
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  Speaker 1: take you. Okay. I'll work on it. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: there's no such thing as the mob, just so you know.
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  Speaker 1: Court documents indicate a victim inside the home received a
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  Speaker 1: video call... with several individuals on the line, allegedly a
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  Speaker 1: man named Sincere, who said he was coming over to
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  Speaker 1: shoot up the home. Well, it was nice of him
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  Speaker 1: to call first. My mom always did that. You had
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  Speaker 1: to call first. You didn't just show up at somebody's house.
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  Speaker 1: Court documents indicate the victim inside. Wait a minute. A
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  Speaker 1: known witness told police that Cokes was in the BMW
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  Speaker 1: with two others and that Cokes was the shooter using
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  Speaker 1: a PSA dagger 9mm. What is that? I don't even
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  Speaker 1: know what a PSA dagger 9mm is. You have any idea?
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  Speaker 1: You're Googling, aren't you? See, you do this all the time,
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  Speaker 1: and then you try to act smart like you knew. No,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Dagger 9mm? PSA dagger. Not just any dagger,
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  Speaker 1: but a PSA dagger 9mm.
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  Speaker 2: I guess it's just a brand, it looks like.
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  Speaker 1: Never heard of it. Probably something you get from Temu.
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  Speaker 1: which is a potential match to casings found at the
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  Speaker 1: Barrows Road shooting. On August 17th, Columbus police responded to
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  Speaker 1: reports of a drive-by shooting at the Antioch Jordan Church
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  Speaker 1: at 1825 Woodland Avenue, a funeral being held there for
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  Speaker 1: Diamante Johnson, the guy who was already dead when they
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  Speaker 1: went and shot up a house, not apparently knowing. See,
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know how that works. Video recovered by
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  Speaker 1: investigators showed a suspect in a light gray hoodie. Should
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  Speaker 1: we just outlaw hoodies? Because, I mean, every time we
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  Speaker 1: get one of these stories, they're in a hoodie. At
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  Speaker 1: least this one's light gray instead of black. But they're
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  Speaker 1: always in hoodies. We need legislation to outlaw hoodies. Light
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  Speaker 1: gray hoodie leaning out of the front passenger window of
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  Speaker 1: a BMW SUV shooting into a funeral procession. Two people shot,
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  Speaker 1: taken to the hospital on stable condition. Witnesses described the
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  Speaker 1: shooter as a light-skinned male. Yeah, I know what I said.
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  Speaker 1: with black short braids wearing a light gray hoodie. Detectives
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  Speaker 1: located the BMW involved near 682 Gibbert Avenue. Several suspects
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  Speaker 1: were believed to be living at that residence. Cokes was
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  Speaker 1: observed by officers wearing a light gray hoodie. See, you
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  Speaker 1: got to take it off, man. You can't keep wearing it.
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  Speaker 1: Getting into a gold Chrysler 300, later stopped, according to investigators.
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  Speaker 1: Four guns. and a BMW key recovered from the home
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  Speaker 1: on Gibbert Avenue. One of the guns was a 9mm
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  Speaker 1: handgun with a switch attached, so it was fully automatic.
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  Speaker 1: It had been illegally altered. So it was illegally altered
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  Speaker 1: and illegally in the possession of a 19-year-old who cannot
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  Speaker 1: own a handgun. Just saying. Investigators say it is a
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  Speaker 1: positive match to shell casings from the Woodland Avenue shooting
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  Speaker 1: and a potential match to the Barrows Road shooting. There
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  Speaker 1: was also a shooting that evening on Gibbert Avenue while
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  Speaker 1: officers were investigating. It resulted in two people being injured.
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  Speaker 1: We've got an Office of Violence Prevention, you know. And
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  Speaker 1: we have the non, what is it again? The non-fatal,
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  Speaker 1: what is it?
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  Speaker 2: Non-fatal shooting team.
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  Speaker 1: The non-fatal shooting team. I just don't understand how this
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  Speaker 1: stuff happens. And how this menaced a society. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to guess. I'm going to guess that old 19-year-old Sincere
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  Speaker 1: probably has a record dating back a few years. Illegal
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  Speaker 1: discharge of his diapers or something. But we don't do anything.
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  Speaker 1: We don't do anything. And now here you got him
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  Speaker 1: again and a bunch of people got shot and a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of property got torn up with bullets. Hell in
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  Speaker 1: a handbasket, as they say. Hell in a handbasket. Two others,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, have also been arrested in connection with
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  Speaker 1: the drive-by shooting. 18-year-old Shimetrius Coates-Jones. An 18-year-old Region Sincere,
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  Speaker 1: but in this case, Sincere is S-Y-N-C-E-E-R. You've got to
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  Speaker 1: be kidding me. Region Sincere Lanell Dickerson. Yeah. I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: that they got this guy. But again, I'm telling you,
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  Speaker 1: they knew about this. They knew about him. He was
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  Speaker 1: on our radar story. You watch. You watch. It will happen.