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106: Baseball · Podlandia: A-O Rewatch with Fred Armisen and Carrie Brownstein

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  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, watch, watch. Hey, hey, hey, watch, watch.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey, watch, watch.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, watch, watch. Hey, hey, hey, watch, watch.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey, watch, watch.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, watch, watch.
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  Speaker 3: You're listening to Podlandia. Hi, I'm Keri.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Fred.
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  Speaker 3: This is a rewatch.
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  Speaker 1: A Portlandia rewatch podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, Fred.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, Keri. Today I'm wearing a bit of merch, a
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  Speaker 1: Portlandia shirt. And this was just in my closet.
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  Speaker 3: I love that.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought, why would I choose now to try
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  Speaker 1: to play it cool? Like, well, I wouldn't wear that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, no, this would be the right place to
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  Speaker 1: wear this.
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  Speaker 3: Also, it's not like we're trying to not talk about
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  Speaker 3: the show.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Like, so I think it's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Bird on it. It's great. Um, we're on our first
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  Speaker 1: season still, and we're, at the season finale.
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  Speaker 2: And this season is the shortest season because this season
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  Speaker 2: you were headed back to SNL and we made the
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  Speaker 2: pilot and then we had to wait for IFC to
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  Speaker 2: pick up the show. It was a pretty quick pickup,
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  Speaker 2: but we had limited time in terms of how many
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  Speaker 2: episodes we could get done before you went back to SNL.
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  Speaker 3: And so it ended up only being six.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't, first of all, I really enjoyed this episode,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't remember how we decided what the show
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  Speaker 1: was going to be like if we hadn't seen it yet.
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  Speaker 1: So this, this has like momentum to it. There's like,
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  Speaker 1: there's something about it where even our relationship with the
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  Speaker 1: mayor feels like it's evolved a little bit, but I don't,
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember why or what was, how did we
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  Speaker 1: know it was working?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question because we wrote it all
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  Speaker 2: in one chunk and then we would have shot it.
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  Speaker 2: And I think we also might not have known that, well, one,
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  Speaker 2: whether we were getting a second season and two, whether
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  Speaker 2: Kyle MacLachlan was enjoying it enough to come back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But he definitely did. And yeah, we'll get to this
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  Speaker 2: part of the show, but we start to get into
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  Speaker 2: the dynamics of Carrie, Kyle and Fred in the final season.
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  Speaker 2: part of the show, you can really see there was
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  Speaker 2: often a Carrie-Kyle alliance. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Where Carrie and Kyle are going off on a tangent
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  Speaker 1: that just seems to keep going that direction where I'm,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, trying to keep it together.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Or trying to keep things focused. Yeah. And it comes
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  Speaker 1: up a few times in the series.
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  Speaker 2: It does. And this is the first time I see
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  Speaker 2: it in this episode. But of course, this episode, as
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  Speaker 2: they all do, starts with a cold open. And we
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  Speaker 2: were just discussing, before we started rolling, that this cold
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  Speaker 2: open does not feel very Portlandia. In fact, we never
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  Speaker 2: really did anything like this again.
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  Speaker 1: No. It was more.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a fake commercial.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But it's still... I mean, it's funny, and I liked
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  Speaker 1: how it was edited together, especially when it starts getting
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  Speaker 1: really fast. We're not only completing each... It's about completing
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  Speaker 1: each other's sentences in ads, a trope that's used in ads.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Political ads.
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  Speaker 3: Political ads.
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  Speaker 2: Or, yes, where someone starts talking and then the sentence
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  Speaker 2: is finished by another person. And it was sort of,
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  Speaker 2: it's couched in this way of like, you know, unemployment
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  Speaker 2: rates are up, but now we figure out a way
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  Speaker 2: to employ people by finishing each other's sentences in ads. Right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, but, you know, it's a cold open and I
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  Speaker 1: guess since it's our first season, we're sort of figuring
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  Speaker 1: out what the show is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've talked about it in other episodes, there
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  Speaker 2: are just a handful of things, particularly in season one, where.
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  Speaker 3: We thought, oh, we'll probably not revisit this.
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  Speaker 2: And this is one of those, when I was watching it,
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  Speaker 2: I just thought, oh, we never did this again. This
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  Speaker 2: was just not something that became part of the show.
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  Speaker 2: Like other things, I'm like, ah, this is where we
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  Speaker 2: found this, and we're going to keep repeating this, this
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  Speaker 2: trope or this kind of sketch.
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  Speaker 3: But this was not one of those.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah. And oh, but one thing we do do here,
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  Speaker 2: and I guess an element of this that we did
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  Speaker 2: repeat and return to was that we play different characters
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  Speaker 2: in the sketch.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I have a feeling that when we were
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  Speaker 2: shooting those other sketches, Jonathan Kreisel, our director, would say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: let's shoot this little bit for this other.
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  Speaker 3: Sketch we have coming up.
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  Speaker 1: And then we could just throw it in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because my character from Adult Hide and Seek is
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  Speaker 2: in here.
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  Speaker 3: I think, is it Spike?
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  Speaker 1: Spike's in there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think with the ear gauges and everything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So there's a handful of recurring characters. Anyway, that's a
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  Speaker 3: cold open. And then we get.
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  Speaker 2: To the wraparound, which we've talked about before. It's three parts,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes four part through line.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That kind of becomes the container of the episode. Sometimes
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  Speaker 2: provides the thematic content. That's not always the case and
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  Speaker 2: not the case here, but occasionally it does.
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  Speaker 1: And this one, the mayor has gone to Baltimore and
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  Speaker 1: I think he saw that they have a baseball team. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And he tells the Fred and Carrie characters about we
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  Speaker 1: should have a baseball team.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And it is true that Portland does not have a
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  Speaker 2: professional baseball team. And there has been a movement and
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  Speaker 2: the movement also existed back when we were shooting season one.
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  Speaker 3: Bring Major League Baseball to Portland.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I live in Portland right now and I still see
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  Speaker 2: bumper stickers. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's a mission for some people to bring MLB to Portland.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not judging it.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like there's other things we could focus on,
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  Speaker 2: but maybe Major League Baseball would bring a lot of joy,
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  Speaker 2: which is sometimes what people need.
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  Speaker 1: And the mayor's idea is that the team should be
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  Speaker 1: called the Portland Thinkers. Yes. Which is, I like the name. Really?
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  Speaker 2: I don't like the name because it just says to
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  Speaker 2: me they are not. athletic like we're not focusing on
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  Speaker 2: athleticism which to me is like should be the fulcrum
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  Speaker 2: of a professional sports team.
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  Speaker 1: Like this might be a place where we disagree okay
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  Speaker 1: I lament that in professional sports we don't have the
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  Speaker 1: one clown team that we don't have the one team
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  Speaker 1: that's like we're gonna just be the losers of the
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  Speaker 1: whole season every year and let's have fun with it I.
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  Speaker 2: Think what you don't know as someone who doesn't watch
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  Speaker 2: professional sports is unfortunately a lot of teams have taken
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  Speaker 2: on that role.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you mean like involuntarily?
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  Speaker 3: Inadvertently.
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm a huge NBA fan and there will be
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  Speaker 2: teams that are just doing so poorly, like only have
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  Speaker 2: won 15 games. Like we're three, you know, two thirds
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  Speaker 2: of the way through the season. There are some really
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  Speaker 2: bad teams and they do become like the butt of
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  Speaker 2: all the jokes. So there are unfortunately kind of the
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  Speaker 2: clown teams. I will say also, to be fair to, um,
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  Speaker 2: like IQ, like we, you know, they say like basketball IQ,
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  Speaker 2: there's baseball IQ. Like these are very intelligent people, but
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  Speaker 2: I just think for a thinkers, like you want a,
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  Speaker 2: a mascot, like a team name that conjures something that
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  Speaker 2: just has a little bit more like oomph to it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You don't want to just be in your head.
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  Speaker 2: Like you need pretty high sports IQ to play any
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  Speaker 2: of these games, but Anyway, that's just.
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  Speaker 3: Me saying that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe if we really had a baseball team,
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  Speaker 2: we'd be called the thinkers and we would win the
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  Speaker 2: World Series.
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  Speaker 3: Who knows?
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  Speaker 1: I just think there could be multiple World Series. That's
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I think every game, every professional baseball
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  Speaker 1: game should be a World Series. Like, let's just make
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  Speaker 1: it like, because it's such a big event, like you'll
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  Speaker 1: get more viewers per game if you call them all
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  Speaker 1: the World Series.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, okay. That's a wild idea.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The math is there.
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  Speaker 3: The math is there.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. And that's why, yeah, you would be, that's why
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  Speaker 2: you're perfect for the Portland Thinkers. Yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: To me, Portland Thinkers is like a name of a
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  Speaker 3: trivia team, a debate team.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. But maybe I'm just not thinking outside the
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  Speaker 2: box enough. Maybe my thinking is limited and reductive on
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  Speaker 2: what a sports team can be named.
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  Speaker 3: You are thinking big.
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  Speaker 1: You're not thinking outside of the batter's box.
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  Speaker 2: Ugh.
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  Speaker 3: Great, great transition.
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  Speaker 1: Please use that clip for, if we do an ad thing,
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  Speaker 1: that was, I just thought of that in the moment
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  Speaker 1: and that was pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Great transition back into the sketch, which is yes,
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  Speaker 2: the mayor wants a baseball team. And again, this is
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  Speaker 2: a common trope is that the mayor is always roping
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  Speaker 2: Fred and Carrie into these jobs that they are highly
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  Speaker 2: unqualified for. Like we're, we're at this point by, this
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  Speaker 2: is the third mayor wraparound of season one. We realize
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  Speaker 2: as characters, we've become kind of his de facto advisors.
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  Speaker 2: And now we are being tasked with something that's well
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  Speaker 2: above our pay grade, not something we are really qualified
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  Speaker 2: to do, which is to recruit a baseball team.
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  Speaker 3: But we'll get to that.
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  Speaker 1: And you get to, you know, you see that the
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  Speaker 1: mayor is, you get to see that the mayor is
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  Speaker 1: always on his bike.
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  Speaker 2: He's always on his bike, which I think we kind of,
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  Speaker 2: lose that a little bit in later seasons.
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  Speaker 1: That's true.
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  Speaker 3: Or is that not true? Like, even in the marathon episode,
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  Speaker 3: is he on his bike?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that.
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  Speaker 3: We'll find out.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see.
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  Speaker 3: We're re-watching this right along with you, so we'll find out.
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  Speaker 1: Um, and there's like, this, this is like a common thing.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see that I, that took me by surprise is
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  Speaker 1: the sort of the joke in the editing that he's outside.
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  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden he's inside and he's
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: back outside and something I never would have, that wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have occurred to me as a device.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. A little cartoony in a way that I like, again,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm, Struck sometimes just by how we
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  Speaker 2: just wanted things to be silly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Like we're just okay with silliness.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Which is something that more than ever I appreciate.
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  Speaker 2: Like when I, you know, want, I, sometimes I just
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: watch something because I want to laugh. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And I, I don't want it to be dramedy.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to have to think too hard about like, Oh,
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: is this going to be funny? Or it might, might
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  Speaker 2: I accidentally cry? Like I just, no, I, this is
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  Speaker 2: just silly. And I, I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, so that's part one.
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  Speaker 2: The mayor in a coffee shop lets Fred and Carrie
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  Speaker 2: know that he wants a baseball team. He's always, by
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  Speaker 2: the way, he has kind of an underdog, like an
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: inferiority complex, the mayor, about Portland. He's always comparing us
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  Speaker 2: to other cities, like real cities, like Seattle, Baltimore.
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  Speaker 3: That's part of his MO.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, Portland, we need to make Portland a real city.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder how much mayors go through that.
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  Speaker 2: I bet.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like it must be one thing to be
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  Speaker 1: the mayor of Chicago where you're like, we're good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then from, you know, or some other, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Fort Worth, the mayor of Fort Worth. I wonder what
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  Speaker 1: their experience is.
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  Speaker 3: Let's have them on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because at first I bet you they'd claim, no, I'm
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: proud of my city. But I wonder if there's a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, you still named a pretty big city.
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  Speaker 2: There's also just a tiny little beach town.
• 11:48
  Speaker 3: There's a mayor of.
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  Speaker 1: Myrtle Beach. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Let's have them on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know the name of the mayor of Myrtle Beach?
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  Speaker 1: Of course you don't. Come on.
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  Speaker 2: Is that something you would ever want to do? Remember
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: how Clint Eastwood was like, he's the mayor of Carmel?
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  Speaker 2: Or Sonny Bono was a mayor.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Couldn't do it. Couldn't do it. Because... I
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  Speaker 1: think I really don't understand how government works. What my goal,
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: like my goal as a politician would be like, I
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: just want to be at City Hall and be left alone.
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  Speaker 1: Like the less we could talk about anything, the better,
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  Speaker 1: the less we do, the better. Just come in if
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  Speaker 1: you need something about the bus system or whatever. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: I'm signing off yes on everything. But please, let me
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  Speaker 1: just be in this office.
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  Speaker 3: You do not have my vote.
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  Speaker 2: Um, I, but I also think there's something, there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people who now like run for mayor coming
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  Speaker 2: exactly from the place you're talking about, which is like,
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  Speaker 2: not like, uh, you know, a politician, like not coming
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  Speaker 2: from like, yeah, just someone that's coming outside politics.
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  Speaker 3: This is very common now.
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  Speaker 2: So like you say that, but then some, sometimes cities
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  Speaker 2: want someone that's just like, no, I'm not a career politician.
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  Speaker 3: I just have ideas and I have.
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  Speaker 2: Optimism and I'm thinking left of center here. Or I
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: guess some people want right of center, but whatever. Thinking
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  Speaker 2: from a different perspective.
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  Speaker 3: So who knows? Maybe we'll cut to.
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  Speaker 1: You being the mayor of Burbank or something.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: How about yourself? Would you ever?
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  Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. I think In some ways,
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  Speaker 3: I agree. Like, I feel like I always want.
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  Speaker 2: Elected officials to be, like, civics majors.
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  Speaker 3: Like, I'm just like.
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  Speaker 2: Right. I want you to understand. I want you to
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  Speaker 2: have all of it memorized. The Constitution, the Bill of Rights, like,
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  Speaker 2: the entire history of the state. Like, you need to
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: know everything about geography and the geopolitical system. And, like,
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  Speaker 2: I know that's a high bar, but, like, I'm just like, please.
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  Speaker 1: If it's your job.
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  Speaker 2: If, like... you know, that's not my job. That's not
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  Speaker 2: most people's job. I try to be informed, but like,
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  Speaker 2: I really want, like when someone is like, sometimes with
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  Speaker 2: Trump or something, I'm like, I know that if you
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: held up a map, there are places that were probably
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: bombing right now that he would not be able to
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  Speaker 2: like point out on a map. And I just think like,
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  Speaker 2: to me, like I, I'm just not qualified. Like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know the entire history of Portland or the entire
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: history of Oregon or, of the inner workings of the government.
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  Speaker 2: Like I know some stuff, but I just, to me,
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  Speaker 2: I know that's a high bar.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so with you. Right.
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  Speaker 3: It's shocking to me. I'm like, you have to know
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  Speaker 3: like this municipal code.
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  Speaker 1: Even as, and I don't mean this as joke, even
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: as a hobby, meaning if we're in music, we know
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  Speaker 1: music history just because we love it so much.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: If you love politics and being, or gravitating towards being
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  Speaker 1: a mayor, just by, just for fun. Don't you just
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  Speaker 1: know the lineage of all the mayors of this city?
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  Speaker 3: Or at least how government works.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like I just, it feels like a real
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  Speaker 2: basic ask, but that anyway, so I would never, I just,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not qualified. That's just, that's the bottom line. Like
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  Speaker 2: that's just not my wheelhouse. And I would hope that someone,
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: you know, much more qualified than me is running and,
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: And I gravitate towards those people as leaders.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: I'm also, as someone in government, I think I'm fiscally irresponsible. Meaning,
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: if they said to me, this highway is going to
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: cost a billion dollars, I'd say, great, I don't care.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: The sanitation department needs $ 7 million. Whenever you're ready, go ahead.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: You're saying the deficit would be very high. Yeah, we'd
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: be in so much debt.
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  Speaker 1: But even now as an adult, I still don't understand, yes,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: that taxes come in and that's what you have to spend.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, just do it and then let the
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: money happen.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: Just print more money.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Just print more money. It is like that where I'm like,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, it's around. Just reach in
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: and find it somewhere. I don't know. From that, we
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: go to artisanal light bulbs, which I think was like
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: an aesthetic idea.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like the Edison bulb, like.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: It was, again, kind of like put a bird on it.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Just this shorthand for like, oh, this, you know, we're
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: in that kind of restaurant.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: We're in that kind of shop. It was like a
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: real thing. It was like, this is, you know, the craftsmanship.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Those light bulbs, you know, that you see that have
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: the little, you can see the coil inside and they're
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: oddly shaped. And yeah, I'm repeating exactly what you said,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: but it was something that like you would see only
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: once in a while and now you you really do
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: see it everywhere. Yeah.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: But again, this, I think when we're first filming the show,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: it's kind of in this phase, this transition, you know,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, there was sort of this transition taking place, right.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Where like it became important. It, people were.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Signifying like, what, what are we trying to convey here? Oh,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: we're trying to convey, you know, just like we are special.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: We are, Like we, you know, like we have a certain,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: not just sensibility, but like an ideology. We are, you know,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: like there was a lot of that like signaling.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: It's also like care. Yeah. We took care of making
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: this light bulb. We paid attention for once.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's artisan.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: It's like, it's not, it's not a corporate light bulb.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it was like that aesthetic was sort of
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: just starting to like crop up. Yeah.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: You know, now you, any hotel, any Hilton, whatever.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Just like, do you see the 7-Eleven? Yeah.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. But no, it's, it became again, like that
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: extension of like, Oh, you know, like our customer cares
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: about like their footwear and what their eyeglasses look like.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: And they're also going to care about like the light
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: fixtures and they're, they want to go to a restaurant
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: that reflects like their personhood.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: We are special.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: We are special. And you are special, and we see that.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Yes. We see that. Yeah. We are aligned with you.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: We are aligned.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: In our specialness.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Nick Kroll is in this.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: At the very end, yeah.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: As a customer, a potential customer. And then you get electrocuted,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: your character. I think these are characters we never.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Really did again.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: And I'm, like, coughing, basically.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Like, I'm, like... basically developed like a, yeah, emphysema or
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: something from like the toxic, like chemicals. Yeah.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: The gases or whatever. And then as I watched it,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I remembered that I think that's not you in the
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: final shot of you falling over. I think we got
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Jessica Needham and put her in a wig just to
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: make it seem, I don't know why. I mean, it worked.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: as like that you got shocked.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I remember that too, but I think
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: it was because I was being changed for another sketch.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, because your face is covered in the very last shot.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Your face is.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Covered because I don't know why else we, you know,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: because by the way, we're talking about our makeup artists.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Like it's not like we subbed me out for a
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: stunt person. yeah I think there were times where we
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: were our schedule was so tight that we were like
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: we'll put so and so like you know Sophia or
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: someone else on the crew like in an outfit or
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: if we'll put someone in frescoes and we'll.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Get that last shot while you guys yes are changing
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: for the next sketch that sounds right um Yeah.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I also just want to acknowledge that I've seen the
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: show Blown Away, which is like a glass blowing competition.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: And that this is extremely difficult. Like, I mean, blowing
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: glasses beyond.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: You mean made for light bulbs or just set?
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Both. Like just all of it. Like hand blown glasses.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: It's a really fascinating thing to watch.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Really? Yes.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I remember I actually think like this might be not true.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: So I'll have to fact check this. But I'm pretty
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: sure the woman whose shop this is that we shot
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: at ends up on Blown Away.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I remember watching that show and being like,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: and it would say that this woman's from Portland.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: I might be wrong.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: But anyway, I just remember even at the time, like
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: asking questions as we were in this shop because we
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: were in a real glassblowing shop. And just, yeah, the
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: heat like that, it's very physical, very physical work.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah. Wow, indeed.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Anyway. Light bulbs. You're right.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: These characters do not recur.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: This whole time, I was just imagining it. That's all.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I want you to know that. I was lost in that.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Just imagining doing that.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: It's one of those shows, like when I watch that,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: you know, some things you watch, you're like, I could
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: do that?
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: This is definitely one of those skills that I watch
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: and think, I absolutely could not do that.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Also that they arrived at making... glass that way yeah
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: total puzzle to me yeah um but I don't want
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: that to go out on the podcast I want people
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: to think I'm so intelligent that I do know how
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: glass is made yeah so it was Andy Covell who
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: you were talking about and.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Let's find out whether it was Andy Covell on Blown.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Away yes yes yeah you knew it I.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah I actually when I was watching on Blown Away
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: I was like I've met this woman She's a pretty
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: well-known glass artist, glassblowing artist.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: And we filmed at her shop back in the day.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Amy.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Feminist bookstore. Story, I don't know what we titled this.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: I called it journaling class.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: A journaling workshop. Yeah. Heather Graham is the guest star
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: in this.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: There's a couple of other people in this episode, or sorry,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: in this sketch who recur. Angel Boucher, who ends up
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: being in many feminist bookstore sketches as a local actor.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: And also Christine Levine, who we will talk about in
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: season two. But Christine also is a recurring local actor.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: And this, it's been interesting watching season one because I
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: recognize the people. I'm like, oh, wow, this person. I
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: like them as I'm watching the sketch. And then I
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: remember at the time liking them. And we all said,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: let's bring this person back. And we did that over
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: and over again. There were, I would say, 30 Portland
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: actors who came back year after year, became a really
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: integral part of the cast.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Anyway, I just just pointing out that especially actually both
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: these women end up in the in the feminist bookstore
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: world a handful of times. But yeah, so Tony and
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Candice are leading a journaling workshop.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: And Heather Graham is contributing.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Well, she comes in.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Late and she already is like very different from, you know,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: the rest of the clientele. Yes. She's a little more
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: made up. she's like, um, coded way more feminine than,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: you know, most of the other people in the workshop
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: and including Tony and Candace, she's sort of effervescent and,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: you know, positive. And, um, you know, we're there to
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: really share, you know, things that are what we imagine,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: like journaling. I, I, Tony even says like journaling is
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: a document of misery.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: So she's got the positive version.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, she's just basically raving about her boyfriend.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: So I like that, like, we're sort of getting the,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: we're figuring out, I think by now we've really got
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: the feminist bookstore down of what they're about. Yeah. And there's,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: at the end, you meet Heather Graham behind a bookshelf.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: And there's, like, a move that you do that becomes
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: part of Tony. And it's this kind of, like, you faint.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: And I just like it. I like it as a
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: sort of like there's this quality to Toni where she
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: just sometimes faints.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Kids do this as well. But I also know adults.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: When it's a kid, it makes sense. It's like you're asking,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: you know, they have.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: A ton of energy. And then you're like, hey, do
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: you mind taking the trash out?
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: And they're just like, what?
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: But I feel like I know adults that do this.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Too where it's just like it's almost like from a
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: different era like everything is fine and then it's just
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: like suddenly like you know there's oh you know like
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: it's their way they just don't know how to say
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: no or they don't know how to just like actually
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: just use their words to just say they don't want
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: to do something and all of a sudden it becomes
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: like a physical ailment yes like a wave I can't
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: lift this pen or something you're like okay like do
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: you need to take it you need to take five
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: it's a really weird thing The other thing I want
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: to say about Tony and Candice, as you were saying, like,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: you know, by now and probably, I think from the beginning,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: we sort of had their whole MO down and like,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: we really understood these characters. And I feel like we've
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: talked about this before in real life, but like coming
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: up in like punk communities and independent music communities. And again,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: just thinking about, like how many rules there were, you know,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: in terms of what you wore and who you listened
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: to and what label you signed to and like whether
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: you were going to be ambitious or try for things
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: or not. And how we've talked about that in this podcast,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: like the stakes were pretty high at the time and
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: there were real consequences. In like sort of getting into
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: punk or indie music communities, it felt like, oh, this
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: should be the most inclusive place. Like we've rejected all
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: of the bullies. We've rejected the people who like conventional
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: mainstream society that turns its nose up at differences. And
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: so it's like, oh my gosh, finally, I'm going to
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: be accepted for who I am. And then you realize,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: oh my God, there are so many rules. Like it's
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: as exclusive as anything. And I feel like Tony and Candice,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: we've talked about how in some ways, they are like
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: the bookstore is kind of like that. Like you think,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, a feminist bookstore, this is going to
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: be the most welcoming, warm, inclusive space. And instead it's
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: just like horrifying and like exclusive. And there, there are
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: so many complex rules that only make sense to them
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: and it's combative and they're antagonistic. And in like, in
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: some ways it's an homage to, To that time in
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: our life, because we really looked up to that. I mean,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: we were like, oh my gosh, we really want to
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: fit in.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: And to me, like, Tony and Candace are sort of
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: like those, like, strident, like, punks, like, except reimagined in, like,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: a feminist bookstore.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And they're also, like, terrifyingly, like, second wave. Like,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, in these early episodes, you don't see it
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: as much, but later, you're like, oh my gosh, like,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: these very, like, retrograde, you know, reductive, like, ideologies. Yeah. yeah, they,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I am often just reminded of how I felt like
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: sort of getting into the, you know, music scene and
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: thinking I was going to be, you know, accepted and
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: then realizing like, Oh no, this is as tricky as
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: high school was, you know? God.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: And we were guilty also of making a lot of
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: those rules. I remember driving it, just being with my
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: band and just being in the van and just, criticizing
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: bands contemporaries people who we've played shows with for infractions.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Oh that is so the right word infraction yeah it
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: was like we were keeping tabs yeah yeah i remember
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: um when slater kinney got a publicist and we this
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: publicist by the way was a friend of ours like
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: in olympia olympia washington a small town and it happens
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: to be the state capitol It's like it is not L.A.,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: New York, London. Like when I say PR, this was
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: just someone that was willing to make calls. Like up
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: until that point, we had been like sending stuff to
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Spin Magazine and Rolling Stone and Option.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: And all the magazines that existed.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: And we asked our friend Julie Butterfield. She was like, oh,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I'd be happy to. I have, you know, a little
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: more experience. She had worked at Sub Pop and other
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: record labels. So, you know, and people were like, I
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: can't believe that you guys got a publicist. Like, I
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: can't believe you're trying to get your record reviewed. Like,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: even that was an infraction. Like, the appearance of trying.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: you know, as if things would just fall into our laps,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: but there were people who were doing media boycotts and blackouts.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Like there were just, you know, there was, it was,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: you really weren't supposed to talk to mainstream press. It's,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: it's hard to explain like this really like definitive line
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: between like the underground and just existed. And if you
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: sort of ventured up above ground, like sort of stuck
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: your head or neck out, it seemed like, you know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: you were like a slave to capitalism and you were
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: like a corporate, you know, drone or something.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Like it really, it sounds silly. And it was deadly serious.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: It was artistic too. We would be playing with some
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: bands and if they had like a funky part to
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: one of their songs- what yeah it was like really
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: an offense yeah or.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Like an amp that was too new yeah you're like
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: oh my god i'm sorry is that a brand new
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: amp like or like a a brand of clothing they
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: were i mean this is as.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Bad covers choices i remember some covers choices with a
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: band we played with at lounge x that and the
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: cover was something regular rock let's call it that yeah
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and that was To this day, I remember how mad
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: we were that they played this song by a regular
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: rock band. Yeah.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: No, for sure.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Like, that took over the whole night that they played
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: this song. Believe them. That's my memory of that night.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: That's how big of a deal it was. 100%.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I remember someone doing.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: A Madonna cover.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: And I was the, had been the biggest Madonna fan,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: but now I was supposed to just be mad that,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: you know, someone, you know, did, um, like a prayer
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: at a rock show. And I mean, it's, yes, it's
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: hard to explain how, how entrenched and codified this stuff was.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Even long hair. It was, we, we accepted it, but
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: it was still a little like, all right, The drummer
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: has long hair. We're not, that's our friends. That's okay.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: You know, I guess that's one of the looks, but
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: it was a little like, we'll accept it. Yeah. Today.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: You're lucky.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: So if you're wondering why Tony and Candace are so extreme,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: it's because we, we had been very immersed in a
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: pretty extreme ideology. Yeah. And also helped maintain it. We
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: were not like, I don't want to paint it like
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: we were separate from it. I mean, once we were
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: sort of in, then you adopt that attitude as well.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Until you sort of almost snap out of it
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: like a cult. Again, I said this in a different episode,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: but my friend Nicole Georges, who's a great graphic novelist,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: she calls it punk damage.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: We all have it.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: We all have it or a version of punk damage.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Just, it's just something where you are a new convert
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: and that sort of that zeal of the, you know,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: the newly converted is very real.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: It's very, it's a real intoxicant.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Oh yes.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. All right.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Baseball part two. I love this part of the wraparound.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Me too.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: And so we now are holding baseball tryouts on behalf
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: of the mayor and the Portland thinkers. And, But we
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: ran it like an audition, like an acting audition.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Like a Broadway show or something.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like we're sitting at a table, a long fold-out table,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: basically where the pitching mound is.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah. With glasses on.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: For no reason because, well, you, I mean, you wear glasses,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: but we were wearing like little readers. And we have
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: that attitude of like, and you are, like.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: And it does. It makes me laugh.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: And then it's like a real bad news bears, like
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: group of, you know, men.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: It's like, there's really no athletes.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Like in terms of, you're just thinking of like what
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: a prototypical athlete looks like.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: It's just like.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Random Portlanders, you know, trying out. And we're not really
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: asking them. First of all, we wouldn't really be. Yeah.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: And the fact that we're asking them anything, but What
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: we are asking them is very little about baseball.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Yes. Just purely an audition.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: You actually at one point challenge a guy.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: You're like, what would you do if someone offered you drugs? Yeah.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: And then you did a role play with them.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Steroids. Steroids. Yeah.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Come on. Don't you want some? Come on.
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: No one's going to know. Yeah.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: It's just, again, all of the wrong things. And then
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: there's a couple of people in this who are trying
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: out who recur. Mikey Campman, who is also in Adult
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Hide and Seek, a local Portland comedian. Ron Funches, who's
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: a great, very well-known comedian now, lives in L.A., is
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: on LOOT. He's great stand-up. This is when he still
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: lived in Portland. And he shows up here. In fact,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I worked with Ron recently. I directed him on Loot
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: and he's so sweet. He comes up to me, he's like, Carrie,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: do you remember working together?
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: And I was like, of course. Like he, you know,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: and yeah, I was like, yeah, of course.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Because I remember after that, like following his career and
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: being really excited that he, you know, was getting bigger
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: as a standup and then moving to LA and having
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: success down here. But it's interesting because, you know, Like,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: we're colleagues, of course, but at the time, I think
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: because of him, he was just so up and coming
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: that he thought, like, oh, you're not going to remember me. Like,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: because that was the dynamic, you know, that, like, I
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: was on the show, and then he had this, like,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: walk and roll.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: I was like, of course, Ron.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: And, I mean, there's many examples of that with people
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: coming on Portlandia. I mean, Kumail is someone, you know, like, he...
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: as now like huge movie star, you know, and, um,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Ian Carmel, who's also in for season. There's just a
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: lot of people who we were very lucky to have
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: worked with them, you know, early on.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: But, um, anyway, shout out to Ron.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Hi Ron. And, um, also by the way, really enjoyed
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: him on the season of the traders. I don't know
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: if you've seen that.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, I haven't seen it.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Oh yes.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: I will not spoil anything for you.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: He's great.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Um, and then Jedediah.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Acre.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: He's, uh, in, in, the leather jacket here, the beard,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: and he shows up many times. And Raj Patel, who's
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: the actor who you do the series, but with Raj
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: shows up a couple of times too.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, um, and again, this is just a, a
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: common thing. These, we tried to bring the same people
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: back over and over again. We wanted it to kind
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: of feel like, cause I mean, it's Portland is a
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: two hander, you know, it was just every, all the
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: opening sequence. It's just like Portland is starring Fred and Carrie,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: but we wanted it to feel like we had, this cast,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: you know, these, and that if people watched season after season,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: that they would see the same people. Um, it, yeah,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: we wanted to feel like a community and I think
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: it did, you know, for us and for the crew.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: Succeeded in that way.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But yes, this, this definitely, um, oh, at the end, um,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: everyone makes the team. Yes. Yeah.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Everyone makes the team, including a man who's in his eighties.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: And they take a photo together, the Portland thinkers. Um, yeah,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: this is really enjoyable. This might not matter now, but
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I was like, why did we shoot this at night?
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: It kind of works because then the light is better
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: that it wasn't like sunlight over us. But I'm like,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I wonder what, who knows.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what precipitated the night shoot either.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Just for people listening, like most, you know, shoots, you
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: try to have as much daylight as possible. You know,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: usually on a Monday you start out working a seven
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: to seven. Sometimes that starts to shift back later in
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: the week. if something necessitates night. So something I imagined
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: that came before this necessitated a night shoot. Cause yeah,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: there's no reason why this baseball tryout would be at night.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: I also remember this is one of the first times
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: we had three cameras and then we went to five
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: for this. And we often did that because this was,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: we shot this at the end of the day and
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: we needed to move quickly. We were running out of
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: time and we often did that where we just had,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: especially if we we needed, we were shooting like in
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: a big space or had a lot of background. This is,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: isn't even a huge cast, but I just remember we
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: had as many cameras going as we could.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Yeah.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: It was one of the first times we did that.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Um, all right, next we move on to another sketch
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: that just made me laugh, which was the chef, the.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Chef's photo session.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Which is, I think comes from.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: You.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: There was, I think it still happens. When you look
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: at pictures of chefs, they're very stylized. Celebrity chefs, or
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: just anyone opening a restaurant, there's some presentation to what
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: they're doing.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: Well, and also there was just this shift.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: And again, you know, we talked about this earlier in
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: this episode, just like there is just sort of this
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: cultural shift happening during this time. And one thing like
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: early on, like in terms of like cuisine and restaurants,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: like a chef, you know, it was like Alice Waters.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Like it was just, there was sort of this like,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: you know, sort of refined or you know they're sort
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: of fine dining. And then it was just like, like
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: chefs are like rock stars, you know, they're like all
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: tatted up and like the whole aesthetic of chef changed, changed.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: And then also like, as rock stars became kind of
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: a thing of the past, it was like chefs were
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: sort of the new rock stars. Like, you know, there was,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: there were sort of the new breed of celebrity chef
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: that didn't look like, you know, whatever, the version of
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: like a button up and sort of, I don't know, genteel.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: It was like, oh, they're like bad boys. And it
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: was just, it kind of just changed. You know, it
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: was like the open, like the kitchen that's like in
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: the middle of the restaurant because you want to see
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: them working. And yeah, this is all coming into, this
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: is in vogue at this time and sort of still continues.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: But I think we're just, kind of commenting on that
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: I mean it's like a it's like a rock photo
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: shoot we're like trying to be really sexy there's milk
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: being poured yeah and I remember hating that because it
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: was cold it was really cold and we realized it
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: didn't have to be cold because we're not drinking it
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: so it could have been room temperature we would have
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: been fine yeah it was it wasn't it was actually
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: had been in the freezer like it was lumpy with
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: ice and I remember being thinking that it yeah but
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: basically I remember wanting to cry.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Now This is going to sound like an exaggeration, but
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: watching this is some of the hardest I've laughed at
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Portlandia in general, because there's this one thing that you do.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't know why you chose
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: to do this. And I wrote down LOL because I'm
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: watching this. I laugh so hard. We do this thing
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: where like in the photo shoot. I'm holding a spoon
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: or something. I'm pretending to interview, you know, and then
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: you answer in this frantic way, like, and whatever it was,
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know what prompted it. I have no idea
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: what it's about. I think you see, I wrote down
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: the words. I don't know. I don't, I don't know.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: And it's cause I think we had flour all over
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: our faces.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: It was ridiculous.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: And, um, it was, whatever it is, it really got
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: me and it really made me laugh.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: This one made me laugh too. It's also, again, the
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: physical comedy I always love. And we just, yeah, there's
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: so many props and gags. And the photographer is Keith Cable,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: who is another recurring actor we brought back. And I
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: was thinking as I watched this, how good he is
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: and how good a lot of people were as the
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: straight man or the straight woman, like for how crazy
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: we were being, he just absolutely stayed in character, just
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: taking it very seriously. Like, Oh, I'm just a local photographer,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: you know, trying to get this shot for this little
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: publication and, you know, sure. Whatever you guys want to do,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: you know, like, And that is very hard to do
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: because we definitely had examples of that occasionally, very rarely.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: And sometimes not.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: The local actors, sometimes bigger actors who are like, oh,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: it's a sketch show. I'm going to be really funny too.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: And often the requirement was just like, no, you're just
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: painting the straight person here. Like we want to keep
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: it very real. Like just like, just play it very real.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: And every once in a while, I've just been reminded
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: watching like, and this sketch was one of them, just
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: how good it was. someone like Keith wasn't that, he
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: never tries to be funny. He's just taking it very seriously.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: And you need that. Yeah. You often need that, especially
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: when we're like at our just most, you know, ridiculous and,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: and silly.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: And, um, yeah.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: So kudos to, to Keith. And by the way, the
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: publication at the end is literally.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, some little menu thing or something.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: It's like, you think we're doing it for like, you know, um,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Bon Appetit or something.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, it's like a flyer.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I liked it. Portland dining guide.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: But it's, it's, it's just a pamphlet.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: It's a nothing.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: It's a pamphlet.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I really got into it. Yeah.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Which, yeah.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: I think that's another common, I don't know, something that
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: we return to is like people having a disproportionate reaction
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: to something or taking something too seriously, like commensurate to
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: the reality of it.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Like guys, it's just, we're like, Oh, photo shoot.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: You know, now we're, yeah.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: I feel like we do.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: That a lot.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway. All right.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Kevin, Dave outdoor movie.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: First of all, I did not realize this was season one.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: And I was really pleasantly surprised because to me, Kath
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: and Dave, you know, become like so part of like
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: the stable of characters. And like, I didn't realize that
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: we came back to them in season one, but we do.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: And Kath and.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Dave are the very sort of brusque, loud, rule following,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: like also rule giving, rule delivering couple that this is,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: you know, The tight, the ponytail, the cap.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Very loud.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Utility vests.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: A lot of gear.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: A lot of gear.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: And here we're going to a movie in the park,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: which is something that happens, I imagine, everywhere in the summer,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: including Portland. You know, a series of outdoor movies. And
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: it's usually just, like, very peaceful and chill. And people bring, like,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: at the most, like, a picnic basket and a blanket.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: And they, Kevin and Dave, bring a fence. Yes. Blender,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: coffee machine, shelves. That's right.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Like power. Like they, they're using like a, yeah, a blender.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: And a power tool.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Like you're literally building something.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: And we require so much space.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: You know, and yeah.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: And we announce it to everyone. I don't know how
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: we got so many background actors in this.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, yeah.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I don't, I will. That's a lot of people. It
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: looks packed.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: I was actually trying to remember whether.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Because this happened with Star Trek in the Park. Oh, sorry.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: That's coming up later. Oh, no.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Either way.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: This happens in.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: A later episode where we often, because of our budget
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: and how quickly we were moving, we would utilize something
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: that was already happening.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Like, oh, there's this event. Maybe we can shoot at it.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: So I was trying to remember... was there actually a
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: movie in the park? But I don't think that.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I don't think there was. I think this was like
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: a real shoot.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Which I will also say, so a lot of shows
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: and TV shows and films use what's called tiling, like
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: with background, you know, you'll, you can only afford 50
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: and in post-production, you just end up kind of repeating
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: the same group or, you know, using, you know, special
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: effects to make it look like there's a big crowd.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: And we did not do this. This is like one
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: of the, great things about shooting in Portland and just,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: you know, being under the auspices of a very generous
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: city and people were excited to be involved in the show. And,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: you know, it was Portland really shines in the summer.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: It really, it's the best time to be there. And
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, people just turned out for this and
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: it was really fun. And yeah, it is a, it
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: is a big crowd of people.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Huge crowd. And yeah, it, it looks like a fun event.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Like it looks like, you know, and, um, I will say,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: that this right coming right off of the chef's photo session,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: one of the funniest things you've ever done is as
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: we're watching the movie, we're sort of making these announcements.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden Kath is getting impatient
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: and starts starting. It starts a chant. Come on movie,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: make it start. And no one joins, but Kath thinks
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: that everyone's going to join along. No one's impatient.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: By the way, the syntax of that is awful. I mean, it,
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: It's like, what does it, yeah.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Come on movie, make it start.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, makes no sense.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's so funny. So, so good. I see you.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Laugh during this. I actually.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: You came up with it on the spot.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: See you break.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: You just sort of look to the side.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And then we do something that I know you and.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: I are, this is real Carrie and Fred. The movie
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: starts and they say to each other like, Hey, I
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: think if we leave now, we can beat traffic. Yep.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: And this is after them spending, you know, 45 minutes
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: setting up and ensuring a good spot.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: And then they leave. And I have that feeling all
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: the time.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes. Before I get someplace. Yeah.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: I'm strategizing.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: When is a good time to leave?
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Later, we'll do a sketch called The Best Part is
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Going Home. Yep. Yeah. And.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: And that is, I think sometimes when people ask me like, how,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: how was it last night? You want to say like, yeah,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: the best part was actually when I left.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: I found it the perfect spot to start, you know,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: perfect time to start heading home.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Got in my car.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: But this is, yeah, I love come on movie, make
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: it start.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: And, and a classic Kath and Dave sketch. And, you know,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: this season, you know, it's again, we're now at the
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: last episode of season one. We didn't know which characters
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: would come back, but, You know, definitely Kath and Dave
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: every season. And we start writing for them too. So
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: like in subsequent seasons, we're really writing specifically for these characters.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: And we would say, oh, this is a Kath and
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Dave sketch, or this is a Tony and Candace sketch,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: or this is a Peter and Nan sketch, which was
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: very freeing actually. And also really helped with the writing process.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: It's just, in fact, we would put cards up on
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: the board like we would put the character cards up
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: and know that we needed to write.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: A certain amount of sketches for them so they yeah
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: kept going yeah I think it was also a relief
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: for shorthand for costumes so no matter what we knew
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: it was like a vest filled with things that that
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: or props yeah just to keep that that was one
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: that was like immediately you will understand what's happening. Yeah.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: And, you know, I've talked about this a little bit,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: but like, especially when something is like, we're working at
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: such a fast pace and we're often doing many sketches
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: in a day. Like I need that costume. Like I
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: put on the Cath ponytail and I am Cath. Like
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: you just, you need to be able to get into
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: these characters quickly and costume and hair and makeup was
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: a real shorthand for that. And, you know, when you're
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: going from a complete, like some other character that has
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: a complete like opposite personality from Kath, like I need
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: to snap into Kath and like that, you know, the
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: wardrobe really helped. All right. And now we are at
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: the end of this episode, the part three of the
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: baseball wraparound, which again, is often where we just take
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: a sharp left turn where you think, oh, part three,
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: it's going to be the first baseball game of the season.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Nope.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: We're back at the coffee shop with the mayor and
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: it devolves.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: And Carrie and the mayor start getting into the, what
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: are the possibilities to animate characters who aren't even in
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: the photo? The photo is just the baseball players.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Carrie and Fred show the mayor.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Here's the team.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Here's the team. Here's the... the team.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Photo and before we talk about, it's like the first
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: thing we start talking about is like, what about, what's
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: the mascot going to be?
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: And then from the mascot, we're creating a cartoon.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. How do we animate that bat?
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: Batty Patterson.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: So as you guys keep going, I'm just like, in
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: what arena, how, where will this cartoon exist? This is
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: the baseball team. We haven't pitched a cartoon yet. why
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: are you pitching cartoon characters?
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. At some point, I mentioned the show and you're like,
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? And I'm like, well, no,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: now it's the show. Now it's, forget the baseball team.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: And so much of season one was me finding my footing.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: You know, I often felt like a real imposter, you know,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: that I had kind of snuck in the side door
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: and suddenly just appeared and on this comedy show, on
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: this sketch show. And I just, it seemed so unlikely.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: And I was often worried that like, I just wasn't
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: cutting it or that, you know, the guest stars would
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: come on and be like, oh, phew, it's Fred, he's
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: on SNL. He's gonna know what he's doing. And that
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: I would just be sort of playing catch up the
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: whole time. And, you know, obviously as I watched season one,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: I felt more like I was relieved, like, oh, I'm
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: holding my own here. But I do remember that each time,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: particularly when we were working with the guest actors and
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: someone like Kyle, who's, you know, been in a million
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: movies and he's a great actor and just thinking like, oh,
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I hope I am bringing something to the table here.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: I hope that I'm giving him something to work with
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: and that, yeah, that he feels like I'm being receptive
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: and listening and doing all of the things. And I
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: remember specifically in this part three, where he and I just, we,
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: this dynamic clicked for us and you see it in
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: the scene. where I'm pitching these ridiculous ideas and he
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: is just yes anding me. And we're just like, yeah.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: And it's just getting sillier and weirder. And we're just
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: on this crazy tangent and you're kind of playing the
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: straight man and just sort of like trying to stay grounded,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: like trying to stay based in reality in terms of
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: the baseball team. And I just remember as Carrie, as
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: my real, As the real Carrie thinking, oh, Kyle and
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: I have found something like we we get each other
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: and we we are still friends. But I really remember
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: feeling just so validated and relieved that like, OK, now
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: I have a chemistry with someone and like I'm doing OK.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: And I remember when I rewatched this, I remembered thinking
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: that and just being like, oh my God, it's the
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: end of the season.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: I did it.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: You know, like, and I mean, we would have shot
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: this out of order, but I just remember when this happened,
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: just thinking like, okay, I'm here.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: I belong here. Like, yeah, that's it.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: And it's great. And I like that, like you said,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: that's where the season ends.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: With that.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that Carrie-Kyle dynamic sort of lives on. I mean,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: you know, it's a trio, so it's always, the alliances
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: are always kind of shifting between the three of them.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: But that's one of the alliances is Kyle and Carrie
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: and sort of dreamland. And Fred is the adult in
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: the room. Yeah.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: And then seeing the animated characters at the end for
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: closing credits. Right.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Which, by the way, I have a feeling they were like, oh,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: my God. Because I don't think, I don't know if
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: all the Batty Batterson stuff, in fact, I know it
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: wasn't in the script.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: No. That was just made up.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: We just made all that stuff up. And then in editorial,
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: they were like, I guess we have to animate this now.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: And they did.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: And I take it for granted. Like, oh, I guess
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: those are the characters. But they had to work on.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they made the three characters. Grumpire is a grumpy umpire.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Batty Batterson.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Batty Batterson and Mitty Mitchell.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Was that it? No, Mitchell... Wait.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: I forgot.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, something with a baseball mitt.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: And there's a song.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: And there's a song.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Yep. I mean, but that sort of like that spontaneity,
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: the ability to just... like create something on the spot
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: or like I've said before, for the tangent to become
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: the center, like that to me is one of the
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: true joys of the show and that everyone was game
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: that like the editors and as they were watching this,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: they're like, well, yeah, we're, we'll keep writing this. And
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: now the end of this episode is, is animated, like
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: just willing to, to go with it, you know, and
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: to just let it, flow creatively and not be, you know,
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: locked or hemmed into something. Like, oh, well, it's supposed
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: to end like this. It's like, oh, well, it ends
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: like this instead.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: And watching it, it also gives me hope. That's the
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: wrong word. It gives a good feeling going into a
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: second season. As opposed, it doesn't look self-conscious like, well,
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: this might be the end and let's make this, let's,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: you know, tie it up neatly. I like that it's
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: kind of loose.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: And because it doesn't feel precious, it just feels fun.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: It feels like, oh, absolutely. Let's have a second season.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which we did. And we will get to that next.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: So thanks so much for tuning in.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Thank you.