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RUGGED TERRAIN SEARCH FOR BABY EMMANUEL: TOT "DISAPPEARS" 9 DAYS BEFORE "KIDNAP?" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, A rugged terrain search goes
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Speaker 1: on for baby Emmanuel, just seven months old, and tonight
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Speaker 1: the chilling question emerges. Did the baby disappear nine days
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Speaker 1: before the alleged kidnap when mommy was attacked in the
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Speaker 1: parking lot at a sporting goods store? Was the baby
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Speaker 1: really missing nine days before that? I'm Nancy Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. Where is baby Emmanuel? Just seven months old?
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Speaker 1: Where is this baby?
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Speaker 2: They first got the call from someone of the Big
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Speaker 2: Five saying, my baby has been taken and she is
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Speaker 2: frantic and upset. She got out of their pickup trot
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Speaker 2: when someone attacked her.
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Speaker 1: Where is seven month old baby? Image? You will questions
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Speaker 1: swirling straight out, First of all to Joy Benedict joining
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Speaker 1: us the search going on. Investigative reporter CBSLA Joy tell
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Speaker 1: me about the search as is taking place.
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Speaker 2: This has been a search that has been going on
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Speaker 2: now since this little boy was reported missing. They have
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Speaker 2: searched the home, they have searched nearby fields. They have
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Speaker 2: searched along the highways.
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Speaker 3: They have used.
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Speaker 2: Dogs of varying degrees searching for different things. Life, death,
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Speaker 2: that you name it. They have searched two counties and
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Speaker 2: they have still not found this little boy.
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Speaker 1: Joy Benedict, what counties are they searching? Guys? You are
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Speaker 1: seeing not only Lee law enforcement fanning out stopping traffic
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Speaker 1: parts all along the side of this rugged terrain, along
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Speaker 1: the side of a mountain. There you see the dad
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Speaker 1: of baby Emmanuel. You mentioned two counties are being searched tonight.
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Speaker 1: What are they? Joy?
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Speaker 2: They are San Bernardino County, where little Emmanuel was first
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Speaker 2: reported missing on August fourteenth, and then Riverside County, which
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Speaker 2: is the county in.
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Speaker 1: Which the Horroes live.
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Speaker 2: That video is from Riverside County and not too far
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Speaker 2: from their palme of the sixty Freeway.
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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we know right now. Just so you know, Joy
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Speaker 1: Benedict has been on the case since the baby first
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Speaker 1: went missing, reportedly by mom. Let's see a shot of
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Speaker 1: mom with a black eye please. Mom says she was
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Speaker 1: at the Big five sporting goods store getting a mouthguard
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Speaker 1: for her other son. She got out of the vehicle
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Speaker 1: to change baby Emmanuel's diepee and she was attacked from behind.
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Speaker 1: I will let someone on the panel explain how she
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Speaker 1: got a black eye from the front, but that is possible.
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Speaker 1: That's possible. She says she was attacked from behind. When
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Speaker 1: she woke up from the attack, I'd like to find
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Speaker 1: out about any head wounds that would have knocked her unconscious.
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Speaker 1: But when she woke up from the attack, the baby
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Speaker 1: is gone. No money is taken. There's no sex attack,
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Speaker 1: no carjack, just the baby. There are no cameras in
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Speaker 1: the Big five parking lot, no surveillance. This video is
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Speaker 1: from our friends at KKEL. No witnesses saw this. That
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean it didn't happen. But back to the search
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Speaker 1: is happening right now. Steve Fisher is joining us Missing
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Speaker 1: Persons private investigator, search and rescue specialist, owner of Search Investigations.
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Speaker 1: You've been on the scene for the last week. What
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Speaker 1: do you know?
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Speaker 4: So?
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Speaker 5: Search has been headed up by San Bernardino's Search and
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Speaker 5: Rescue team and they've primarily been focused off the sixty Freeway,
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Speaker 5: which is where we saw the video of Jake. With them,
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Speaker 5: they've had a cadaverdog out there along with search teams
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Speaker 5: that are ground searching and detectives that are searching.
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Speaker 4: And this is an area that it's rolling hills.
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Speaker 5: Uh, you know, brush that's two or three feet high
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Speaker 5: with trees.
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Speaker 4: It's it's a vast area.
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Speaker 5: It's a lot of area to cover, but it's also
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Speaker 5: an area that's fairly easy to search by air.
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Speaker 1: Steve, tell me about the terrain and how the search
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Speaker 1: for baby Immanual is being conducted.
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Speaker 5: Ground searchers and cadaver dogs and air support and this
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Speaker 5: these are this is rolling hills with three foot brushes,
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Speaker 5: but the ground itself is rock hard. So this is
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Speaker 5: an area that you know, they're I don't think they're
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Speaker 5: they're using ground penetrating radar or anything like that. This
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Speaker 5: is going to be a you know, a ground search operation,
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Speaker 5: and it's not an extremely from a search and rescue
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Speaker 5: point of view, it's not an extremely difficult search area.
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Speaker 1: Now I'm looking at the side of a mountain, and
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Speaker 1: I would find that difficult to search. Guys, you're seeing
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Speaker 1: video from our friends over at KKW right now, and
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Speaker 1: you're hearing Steve Fisher, who is an expert in search investigations.
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Speaker 1: I saw where they were doing what was almost a
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Speaker 1: shoulder to shoulder search. Why are shoulder to shoulder searches
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Speaker 1: conducted well?
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Speaker 4: So that's increases the probability of.
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Speaker 5: Detection, and that so that means they could be looking
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Speaker 5: for smaller pieces of evidentiary value, not just a manual,
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Speaker 5: but it could be other things tied that you know,
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Speaker 5: could be even cell phones or whatever. Also, those line searches,
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Speaker 5: which are the very tight formed ones, they were very
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Speaker 5: close into the freeway and so they didn't extend that
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Speaker 5: out very far. They were using other search and rescue
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Speaker 5: ground searchers that were doing more of what we call
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Speaker 5: a hasty search, and they were going further up into
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Speaker 5: the hill.
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Speaker 4: But the detective.
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Speaker 5: Is very close, kind of in that ravine that we're
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Speaker 5: seeing on the screen.
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Speaker 1: I want to follow up on a few things that
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Speaker 1: Steve Fisher just told us. At this hour, the search
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Speaker 1: for baby Emmanuel goes on. Baby Emmanuel, just seven months old,
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Speaker 1: reportedly goes missing out of a Big five Sporting Goods
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Speaker 1: parking lot there with his mother. So I find it
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Speaker 1: very curious that he was quote kidnapped by an unknown
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Speaker 1: male that said one word ollah. Mommy didn't get a
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Speaker 1: look at him, Mommy didn't see him here, hear a threat,
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Speaker 1: smell cigarettes, smell alcohol, smell pot nothing, She heard one
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Speaker 1: word olla. And she wakes up in the baby's debt
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Speaker 1: and now Ellie is searching rugged terrain in the Moreno Valley.
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Speaker 1: Now curious, Dave Mac joining me, Crime Stories investigative reporter, Dave.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear Steve Fisher state some of the search
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Speaker 1: was going along close to the free What does that
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Speaker 1: tell me? That tells me that they're looking to see
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Speaker 1: if anything was thrown out of a vehicle. We've even
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Speaker 1: had you and I, Dave Mac, bodies found beside the freeway. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you called Nicole Level, the little thirteen year old girl
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Speaker 1: that was kidnapped, abducted by David as Eisenhower, a valedictorian
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Speaker 1: track star and his friend Natalie Keepers. Her body was
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Speaker 1: found wipe down with alcohol wipes on the side of
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Speaker 1: the interstate. So that tells me they're also looking for
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Speaker 1: something that could have been thrown out of a car
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Speaker 1: on the side of the interstate, or even God help us,
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Speaker 1: a baby's body on the side of the interstate. That's
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Speaker 1: what that tells me. That they're searching near the roadway there.
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Speaker 3: And Nancy, you can see along the sixty freeway where
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Speaker 3: all of the vehicles, all the squad cars, the sheriff's
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Speaker 3: appe's all of them parked along this area and they're
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Speaker 3: walking down this The terrain is incredibly rugged. It's very
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Speaker 3: speek right off the roadway. And if they were to
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Speaker 3: have God love them. I can't imagine what's going through
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Speaker 3: their heads as they search. But if a body, a
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Speaker 3: baby's body, had been tossed, just discarded off the side, Nancy,
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Speaker 3: it would not just land in the spot, it would
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Speaker 3: roll and could be underbrush where it couldn't be seen easily.
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Speaker 3: That's why they're having to walk so close shoulder to
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Speaker 3: shoulders as they search certain areas of this terrain is just.
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Speaker 4: Horrible, you know.
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Speaker 1: To let me get right back to the search, everybody.
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Speaker 1: This video for a forensic KKWEN. Some of the drone
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Speaker 1: video was taken by our guest Steve Fisher. Karen Stark
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Speaker 1: is with me, a long time colleague and friend, forensic psychologist,
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Speaker 1: well known TV radio trauma expert, consultant at Karenstark dot com.
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Speaker 1: That's Karen with a C. If we're trying to find her,
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark. Dave Mac just brought up a conjured up
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Speaker 1: a horrible image. I was about to launch into the
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Speaker 1: importance of shoulder to shoulder searches. You and I covered one.
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Speaker 1: The first one you and I covered. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you remember, this was Schandra Levy. Schandra Levy went
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Speaker 1: missing the Washington intern and ultimately there were shoulder to
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Speaker 1: shoulder searches of Rock Creek Park there in d C.
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Speaker 1: Nothing was found, but on later searches her leggings were found.
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Speaker 1: So shoulder to shoulder searches or when you're looking for
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Speaker 1: as Steve Fisher pointed out, you could be looking for leggings.
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Speaker 1: You could be looking for a baby's shoe. You could
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Speaker 1: be looking for a hair brett of a missing child.
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Speaker 1: You could be looking for anything that when everyone is dispersed,
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Speaker 1: may miss, but shoulder to shoulder. It's excruciating, it's laborious,
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Speaker 1: it's time intensive, but that's what they're doing to find
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Speaker 1: any clue, even just a sheet or suck belonging to
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Speaker 1: baby Emmanuel. But for your purposes. Can you imagine these
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Speaker 1: LA law enforcement and volunteers being told ahead of time,
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Speaker 1: brace yourself in case you find a dead infant. I mean,
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Speaker 1: when I was trying case Is Karen, I would have
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Speaker 1: nightmares of finding dead bodies because I would be talking
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Speaker 1: to witnesses all day longed and found dead bodies. I'd
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Speaker 1: actually dream about it, but this is happening for real.
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Speaker 1: These LA and volunteers are looking at the prospect of
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Speaker 1: nearly stepping on a dead.
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Speaker 6: Infant, and we can think of anything worse than that, Right, Nancy,
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Speaker 6: I'm sure everybody listening would agree. What is more horrific
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Speaker 6: than seeing the baby dead under natural circumstances, let alone
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Speaker 6: encountering one.
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Speaker 7: Under these circumstances.
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Speaker 6: And yet it's incredibly important and they know that to
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Speaker 6: find these babies, and that's why they volunteer. But there
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Speaker 6: is nothing worse, and they do live with trauma very often,
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Speaker 6: just as you said you do when you can think
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Speaker 6: of the bodies they are dealing, in this instance with
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Speaker 6: a tiny little baby. Even hearing about what he did
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Speaker 6: to his original baby promise who was Trump, He just
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Speaker 6: she can't see, she can't walk.
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Speaker 1: And when I read.
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Speaker 6: About that, I got so upset thinking about a ten
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Speaker 6: week old baby being abuse like that, and this is
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Speaker 6: a baby that is likely dead.
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Speaker 1: This is something I don't understand. Let me ask Joy.
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Speaker 1: Joy Benedet is joining us from CBSLA, who's on the
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Speaker 1: story from the get go. Joy. The baby goes missing.
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Speaker 1: We're told in the parking lot of Big five Sportings
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Speaker 1: Good Sporting Goods. How far away is the Reino Valley.
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Speaker 2: It's probably about a thirty to forty five minute drive
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Speaker 2: from where the baby went missing from what was reported
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Speaker 2: missing from, we should say, but.
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Speaker 1: It is not too far from their home. So I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out how a baby goes missing, vanishes
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Speaker 1: in a parking lot and now almost an hour away,
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Speaker 1: we're coming through rugged terrain. This is how we were told.
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Speaker 1: The baby goes missing.
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Speaker 8: Seventy miles east of Los Angeles in Yukaipa, Rebecca Horrow
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Speaker 8: steps one needs a new mouthpiece for football. She has
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Speaker 8: to a sporting good store with seven month old Emmanuel.
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Speaker 8: Rebecca Harrow realizes baby Emmanuel dirtied his diaper, and she
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Speaker 8: prepares to change his diaper before going into the store.
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Speaker 8: Rebecca Horrow play baby Emmanuel next to his car seat
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Speaker 8: to change his diaper when she hears a man say
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Speaker 8: oh lah. Before she can return the greeting, she has
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Speaker 8: knocked unconscious. When she wakes up, baby Emmanuel is gone.
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Speaker 8: Rebecca Harrow races inside the Big Five and asks an
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Speaker 8: employee if she has seen a baby or a person
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Speaker 8: with a baby come into the store. Nine one one
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Speaker 8: is called at seven forty five, where.
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Speaker 1: Is seven month old baby Emmanuel.
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Speaker 2: They have searched the home, they have searched nearby fields,
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Speaker 2: they have searched along the highways.
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Speaker 1: But when she woke up from the attack, the baby
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Speaker 1: is gone. No money is taken. There's no sex attack,
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Speaker 1: no carjack. She heard one word ola and she wakes
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Speaker 1: up in the baby's debt. At this hour, the search
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Speaker 1: for baby Emmanuel goes on as we speak tonight for
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Speaker 1: seven month old baby Emmanuel and joining me right now.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Thomas Con, Chief Medical Examiner District to Medical Examiner's Office,
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Speaker 1: State of Florida Forensic Pathologists talks to cologist neuropathologist, Doctor Coin,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I heard Joy Benedict
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Speaker 1: and Steve Fisher state that in addition to shoulder to
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Speaker 1: shoulder searches for baby emmanual and very rough terrain, cadaver
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Speaker 1: dogs have been brought out. Cadaver dogs look only for
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Speaker 1: human tissue from a deceased human. So my question is this,
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Speaker 1: doctor Con, the dogs are not looking for a live baby.
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Speaker 1: How quickly after a child is killed would decomp begin.
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Speaker 1: What is it so quickly after death that cadaver dogs
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Speaker 1: can smell?
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Speaker 9: Well, The process of decomposition starts immediately after we die.
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Speaker 9: Once our immune system is basically shut down, as our
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Speaker 9: blood stops circulating all that bacteria that's withinside our internal cavities,
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Speaker 9: our intestines begins to digest us and that process called
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Speaker 9: puture faction, produces a number of volatile chemicals as it
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Speaker 9: begins to digest our blood, our body fat. And those
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Speaker 9: are the chemicals, those organic chemicals that the dogs pick up,
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Speaker 9: and those are what the dogs are actually trained on.
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Speaker 9: These dogs will actually be trained on the scent of
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Speaker 9: decomposing remains at various stages of decomposition, and they can
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Speaker 9: pick up that sound, excuse me, that smell very readily.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Cooin. I'm sure that you are used to a
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Speaker 1: constant influx to stream of dead bodies, including children, babies,
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Speaker 1: they at accidental, natural cause, undetermined, or homicide. But when
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Speaker 1: I look at this baby's picture, control them. I'd like
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Speaker 1: to see baby Hero. I want to see Emmanuel. When
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Speaker 1: I look at baby Emmanuel, he's just seven months old,
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Speaker 1: I just want to hold him. I want to bring
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Speaker 1: him home. With me. I want to feed him, I
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Speaker 1: want him to help get well. I want to see
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Speaker 1: one picture of this baby with a smile, just one.
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Speaker 1: I have come through every photo I have of this baby,
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Speaker 1: and not one photo is this baby smiling. Not one.
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Speaker 1: I'm not the only one that's noticed on Twitter, on Facebook,
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Speaker 1: everywhere instant everyone's saying does the baby never smile? Why?
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Speaker 1: But doctor Thomas Coin, when I hear what you're saying
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Speaker 1: about putrification, and he says something about the body fluids
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Speaker 1: start digesting the baby, and I look at this photos,
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Speaker 1: I don't know how you do it everyday. Coin, It's hard.
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Speaker 9: Those are the hardest cases that I have to be
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Speaker 9: able to tom these cases, in particular as a father myself.
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Speaker 9: You have to get good at talking your emotions inside
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Speaker 9: and doing the job that's necessary so you can help
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Speaker 9: bring justice to these poor kids.
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Speaker 1: What were you saying about the body's fluids actually digest
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Speaker 1: the body? Is that what you said?
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Speaker 9: Yeah? So what happens is, you know, our intestines, especially
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Speaker 9: they're aligned with bacteria, and that bacteria will literally begin
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Speaker 9: to digest our tissues. Because now that we're dead, our
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Speaker 9: own bodies immune system isn't there to protect us, and
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Speaker 9: so that bacteria can just move all throughout our body,
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Speaker 9: digesting our tissues, and also as our tissues break down
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Speaker 9: enzymes within our own our own body tissues. Now I
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Speaker 9: can also aid in that process. So over time, especially
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Speaker 9: if this body is outside, that process will proceed pretty rapidly.
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Speaker 9: So you within thirty minutes or so of a body
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Speaker 9: dying and decomposition starting, there should be enough volatilized organic
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Speaker 9: compounds that any dog can pick up that scent.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Coin, If I could just keep you for just
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Speaker 1: a few more moments, I want you. I want to
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Speaker 1: talk to you about baby Emmanuel's sister. Baby Emmanual's sister. Yes,
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Speaker 1: he has a sister. This tiny little boy has a sister,
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Speaker 1: doctor Coin. And the sister cannot speak, The sister cannot walk,
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Speaker 1: the sister cannot see listen.
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Speaker 8: The sister of Emmanuel was so badly injured at just
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Speaker 8: ten weeks she was left unable to see, talk, or walk.
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Speaker 8: The little girl is being raised by her adoptive mother,
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Speaker 8: who renamed the child Promised Faith. At just ten weeks old,
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Speaker 8: Promised had an acute fractured rib, healing fractures of six ribs,
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Speaker 8: a skull fracture, a brain hemorrhage, swelling of the neck, healing,
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Speaker 8: fractured leg bone, and nutritional neglect. Caro and his former
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Speaker 8: partner Vanessa Alvina were both charged with child cruelty in
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Speaker 8: twenty eighteen, to which Horrow pleading guilty.
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Speaker 1: Joy benedet de joining US investigative reporter. Are you telling
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Speaker 1: me that baby Immanuel was living in the home with
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Speaker 1: the man that did that to Emmanual's sister. She can't see,
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Speaker 1: she can't walk because of the severe baiting.
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Speaker 2: Her father did plead guilty to wilful child cruelty because
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Speaker 2: of that case. I am also told by his attorney
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Speaker 2: he represented him at the time, that he completed fifty
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Speaker 2: five weeks of parenting classes afterwards, and he was currently
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Speaker 2: on probation for that case when maybe Emmanuel was reported.
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Speaker 1: You hold on, okay, have I gone to crazy land
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Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace? Let me understand this. I'm
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Speaker 1: looking at my notes again. At just ten weeks old,
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Speaker 1: Promise has an acute fracture rip ten weeks healing fractures
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Speaker 1: of six ribs. That means he had already beaten her
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Speaker 1: to where he broke the ribs and they're now healing
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Speaker 1: a skull fracture, a brain hemorrhage, swelling of the neck,
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Speaker 1: a fractured leg bone, nutritional neglect that means starving. I'd
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Speaker 1: have to go to law school to figure that out.
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Speaker 1: Not only that she cannot see, talk or walk ever. Ever,
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Speaker 1: And did you say, Joy Benedict, that he got parenting classes.
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Speaker 1: He did.
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Speaker 2: He served a term in jail and then he got
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Speaker 2: parenting classes and probation. In that case, he had a
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Speaker 2: co defendant, so it wasn't just him, it was also
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Speaker 2: the mother of that child. Obviously, they both custody. And
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Speaker 2: it's just terrific, terrific to hear.
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Speaker 1: The injury twenty eighteen. Excuse me, but Jackie, am I wrong?
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Speaker 1: Isn't it just twenty twenty five right now? So let's
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Speaker 1: see eighteen, So tried there from twenty twenty five. So
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Speaker 1: he's already out, he's had another baby, and now that
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Speaker 1: baby is missing. So he gets parenting class, a short
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Speaker 1: stint behind bars, and he's out and now baby Emmanuel
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Speaker 1: is missing. Okay, back to doctor Thomas Coin. Doctor Coin,
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Speaker 1: I know this is excruciating and I've had to do
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Speaker 1: this in front of the jury, and I could look
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Speaker 1: over at them. I hate it even look at them
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Speaker 1: because some of them would be wincing when they heard this.
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Speaker 1: But could you explain what happened to Promise Faith, this
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Speaker 1: missing baby's sister, who was found in this horrible condition
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Speaker 1: at just ten weeks? Ten weeks, what happened to her?
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Speaker 9: Coin, well, specifically abusive trauma? I mean, you know the
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Speaker 9: totality of her injuries right the fact that she has
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Speaker 9: rib fractures, she has a fracture of her leg, she
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Speaker 9: has a skull fracture, and hemorrhage within her brain. That
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Speaker 9: pattern right there, distribution of injuries is characteristic of abuse
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Speaker 9: of trauma. And I say that because so often you'll
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Speaker 9: hear parents try to explain this as a fall. I
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Speaker 9: actually dropped the child, or the child stole up.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm having a choking incident. A choking incident,
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Speaker 1: because that's exactly what he said. He said some bs
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Speaker 1: about he was bathing her and she fell. Oh hey, Coin,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, back to Benedict Joy. Benedict, you said
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Speaker 1: he did a stint in jail. Joy. To be clear,
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Speaker 1: he did one hundred and eighty days days in jail
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Speaker 1: on on work release. That's what he did. Isn't that
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Speaker 1: a little glossing over? Isn't that a little putting perfume
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Speaker 1: on the pig? You said he did some jail time,
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Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty days in jail on work release.
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Speaker 1: That's what he got. Joy.
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Speaker 2: I know it doesn't seem like a lot. That's why
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Speaker 2: I said it wasn't a lot of time that he
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Speaker 2: spent in jail, and then he got out. He's on probation,
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Speaker 2: he's done fifty five weeks. He has an older child
24:14
Speaker 2: with his first wife. This little girl that you're referring
24:17
Speaker 2: to is with his second wife. He is then have
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Speaker 2: a third wife, who's now accused in this case.
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Speaker 1: They have not won.
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Speaker 2: Emmanuel is not the only child there. They have a
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Speaker 2: second child, another little girl.
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Speaker 1: Oh my stars. Back to this shrink, Karen Stark. Why
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Speaker 1: do these women keep taking up with him? He beats
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Speaker 1: children into being blind, deaf, can't walk. Why I don't
24:48
Speaker 1: get it. He keeps getting with women, and they keep
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Speaker 1: having babies and he keeps beating them. Nancy.
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Speaker 6: It's called trauma bunting. It's when a woman is with
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Speaker 6: a man who's abusive and they get intermittent reinforcement. There's
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Speaker 6: no stronger reinforcement than that where they are abused and
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Speaker 6: then their partner apologizes gets them gifts.
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Speaker 1: What did you say about intimate What did you say
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Speaker 1: about intimate intermittent?
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Speaker 6: That means to me intermittent, which means comittant reinforcement, which
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Speaker 6: means that every so often they get wonderful gifts and
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Speaker 6: apologies and recognition from their partner, which keeps them tied
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Speaker 6: despite the abuse. It's a terrible pattern and it happens
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Speaker 6: to women all the time. Trum.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, Karen Stark, you can talk to
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Speaker 1: me all day, all day about trauma bonding. But Philip Debay,
25:56
Speaker 1: that is a croc b s. I don't know they've
25:59
Speaker 1: had that legal terming your jurisdiction. Maybe they need it
26:02
Speaker 1: because you can smell it a mile away, Like somehow
26:06
Speaker 1: the mom's not responsible because she was getting a gift
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Speaker 1: every other week. Really, and the price for that gift
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Speaker 1: is watching your child being beaten until it's literally blind.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, Mommy is not walking on this, not if
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Speaker 1: I have anything to do with this. Over my cold
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Speaker 1: dead body, is Mommy going to get away with Karen
26:27
Speaker 1: Stark's trauma bonding defense.
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Speaker 10: She's going to get away with being an accessory after
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Speaker 10: the fact. And the good news for Rebecca Harrow is
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Speaker 10: that in California it tops out at three years. You
26:39
Speaker 10: only have to do half of it even if it's
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Speaker 10: a felony. So unfortunately for the justice system, for the
26:45
Speaker 10: public and the world at large, there really might not
26:48
Speaker 10: be any justice.
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Speaker 7: As to her. As to him, he is going down
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Speaker 7: like the Hindenburg.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we'll see because the last time when he
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Speaker 1: beat the baby into oblivion and to Coin hasn't even
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Speaker 1: described the injuries yet. Just wait till you hear that debate.
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Speaker 1: I want you to know that this mom, the other mom,
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Speaker 1: was in on it as well. Okay, she stood by
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Speaker 1: and watched her baby girl getting beaten into basically paralysis.
27:19
Speaker 1: She can't walk here speak. See, this mom knew what
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Speaker 1: she was getting into and more important, what she was
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Speaker 1: subjecting her children to. She knew about the previous beating
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Speaker 1: incident when she chucked up with this piece of crap.
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Speaker 11: Listen, Rebecca and Jay Carrow married in twenty twenty one,
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Speaker 11: and she was aware of his previous child cruelty case.
27:46
Speaker 11: Harro claims they have a wonderful relationship, and he treats
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Speaker 11: her sixteen year old child as well as their two
27:52
Speaker 11: year old daughter and e Manuel very good, saying he's
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Speaker 11: a good dad.
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Speaker 1: What they refuse a polygraph? A witness says mom had
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Speaker 1: that black eye before the attack and the Big five
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Speaker 1: parting lot. I'm yelling about this situation. I'm yelling about
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Speaker 1: this baby gone and mommy and daddy won't take a polygraph.
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Speaker 1: The portal thing. If he's alive, who has him? Is
28:22
Speaker 1: he being fed? Is he alive? Do we have a
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Speaker 1: chance to save him? Could he be alive? We haven't
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Speaker 1: found a body yet. Joining me an all star panel
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Speaker 1: to makes sense of what we know right now. But
28:39
Speaker 1: in case you're worried about us going easy on mommy,
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Speaker 1: that's not happening. I want you to hear about daddy
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Speaker 1: helping in the search.
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Speaker 8: The father of seven month old Emmanuel was pulled out
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Speaker 8: of jail in his orange jumpsuit and take into a
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Speaker 8: remote area of Marino Valley. Over a dozen vehicles from
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Speaker 8: the San Bernardina County Sheriff's Department parked alongside the stretch
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Speaker 8: of Moreno Valley known as the Bad Lens. The steep
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Speaker 8: terrain is searched with cadaver dogs, but failed to locate
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Speaker 8: the baby. The department's stresses while Caro was at the scene,
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Speaker 8: he was not helping in the searche.
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Speaker 1: Okay, your dad has to be pulled out of jail
29:19
Speaker 1: and comes to help look for you. But isn't it true,
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Speaker 1: Dave Mack that l E Law enforcement said, Oh, he's
29:27
Speaker 1: not helping us. We just brought him out here. He
29:30
Speaker 1: hasn't been helping us.
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Speaker 3: That's exactly what they said, Nancy. I saw the pictures too.
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Speaker 3: I saw him standing out there, and I thought, what
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Speaker 3: in the world are they doing with him. I'm guessing
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Speaker 3: they put him out there to see his reaction as
29:42
Speaker 3: they looked in different areas, because they flat out said
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Speaker 3: he is not helping us.
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Speaker 1: Oh wait, well w wa wait, wait, wait wait wait,
29:49
Speaker 1: I'll come back to you. Look there he is. He's
29:51
Speaker 1: just looking off in another direction. He's not talking to anybody.
29:55
Speaker 1: He was just standing there, and as our camera zoomed in,
29:58
Speaker 1: he started walking in another other direction, away from l
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Speaker 1: E from our friends at kay cal, Hey, let's see
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Speaker 1: that again, Dave make I just wanted to point that
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Speaker 1: out because I don't think you can see your monitor
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Speaker 1: go ahead.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's actually not helping at all, Nancy. And you know,
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Speaker 3: the whole live that has come from the hiros from
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Speaker 3: both of them, has the police department in all law
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Speaker 3: enforcement from multiple agencies at their wits end because they're
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Speaker 3: having to truy they know what they're looking for. Nancy.
30:26
Speaker 3: This is not this is not a family pet. This
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Speaker 3: is a seven month old baby that they are looking
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Speaker 3: in the roughest terrain in the world for. And they
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Speaker 3: bring out the baby's father and he doesn't even boy
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Speaker 3: to offer any kind of assistance, any kind of help.
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Speaker 3: He just stands there.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, Karen Stark, I'm about
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Speaker 1: to go to Rawlings President Child Welfare and Justice Transformation.
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Speaker 1: But Karen, you knew my dad, my soulmate. When I
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Speaker 1: was a little girl, I had to get allergy shots
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Speaker 1: twice a week, one in each arm. And before we
31:14
Speaker 1: could even get back from the doctor, he would have
31:17
Speaker 1: been working the night shift, so as soon as he
31:19
Speaker 1: got out of school, he'd take me to the allergy doctor.
31:23
Speaker 1: Before we could even get home, i'd have like two
31:25
Speaker 1: goose eggs on my arm. I wouldn't be crying, I'd
31:28
Speaker 1: just be sitting there. But I remember looking over at
31:30
Speaker 1: my dad driving. He would be crying because he would
31:35
Speaker 1: look over and see my arms swollen up. And now
31:38
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this poc. He's not even helping and
31:43
Speaker 1: l E very rarely would make a comment like that.
31:46
Speaker 1: But because Dad's lawyer said, oh, he's cooperating, he's helping
31:51
Speaker 1: b S, he's not helping. My dad would have been
31:56
Speaker 1: lying out there, prone, screaming for help, doing anything he could.
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Speaker 1: This guy, he's doing nothing. Help me, Karen.
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Speaker 6: He has no feelings, Nancy. We know that this guy
32:11
Speaker 6: has an antisocial personality. He doesn't feel anything. This little baby,
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Speaker 6: it could be a chair, it could be a doll.
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Speaker 1: It's not real to him.
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Speaker 6: He just standing there because he's not feeling anything. I
32:27
Speaker 6: know it's hard to believe, but that's what this personality
32:30
Speaker 6: type is life.
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Speaker 1: Think about it.
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Speaker 6: If he's able to beat him a ten week old
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Speaker 6: so she can't see her walk, he has the capacity
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Speaker 6: to do whatever he wants to do, be completely narcissistic
32:43
Speaker 6: and not care what they're doing. Who they're looking for
32:47
Speaker 6: for is his child? To him, he's not connected. It
32:51
Speaker 6: doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: Tom Rawlings joining me President Child Welfare and Justice Transformation,
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Speaker 1: former juvenile court judge, child advocate, author of Protecting other
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Speaker 1: People's Children, Tom. I know some people think I mean
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Speaker 1: too hard on mommy, but I believe she knowingly subjected
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Speaker 1: her children to this animal. He is an animal.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely.
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Speaker 12: Nancy not only did she subject him his child her
33:29
Speaker 12: future children. Remember she had children with him. After knowing
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Speaker 12: that he took an innocent ten week old child and
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Speaker 12: shook or squeezed the child almost to death, apparently lost
33:43
Speaker 12: his parental rights on that. The only punishment he got
33:46
Speaker 12: was some time in jail and parenting classes. When Rebecca
33:52
Speaker 12: Harrow and Jake Harrow had a child together, that child
33:56
Speaker 12: should have been immediately removed from their custody because he
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Speaker 12: was not confident to raise a child. Instead, we now
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Speaker 12: have another situation where apparently he's done it again.
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Speaker 1: I don't like what you just said. Rawlings not competent
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Speaker 1: to raise a child. You know, ding dongs have children
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Speaker 1: all the time, and they love the children and take
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Speaker 1: care of the children. You don't have to have a
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Speaker 1: PhD or be a former judge like yourself to be
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Speaker 1: a loving parent. You don't have to be smart. You
34:27
Speaker 1: just have to care about the baby. I think it's
34:30
Speaker 1: far from not competent. I think that he is violent
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Speaker 1: and hateful and frankly, I know the TV world hates
34:39
Speaker 1: this word. He's evil, He's the devil. Are you sitting down,
34:43
Speaker 1: Tom Rawlings, because you may need to lay down for this.
34:46
Speaker 1: Listen to this. Jackie dug this up for me. His
34:50
Speaker 1: former partners and spouses include wait for it, everybody Isabelle
34:56
Speaker 1: Gonzalez ex wife file domestic violence protective order against him,
35:03
Speaker 1: also requesting protection for son Eli. So he was obviously
35:08
Speaker 1: abusing and beaten on Eli Vanessa Avena twenty eighteen, they
35:16
Speaker 1: were both charged with felony child cruelty regarding what happened
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Speaker 1: to the little baby girl I told you about Rebecca Harrow.
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Speaker 1: They are charged now with the murder of baby Emmanuel.
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Speaker 1: So this is the third instance that we know of
35:49
Speaker 1: of him beating on and forever paralyzing one child. And
35:55
Speaker 1: now baby Emmanuel is missing and police believe the baby
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Speaker 1: is dead. And somebody wants me to debate, wants me
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Speaker 1: to go easy on the mom in this case? What
36:13
Speaker 1: about it?
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Speaker 7: Rollings absolutely not.
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Speaker 12: She When you when you go into this situation, when
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Speaker 12: you have a child or the man, you know to
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Speaker 12: be evil and violent like this man, and then you
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Speaker 12: apparently cover up for the bad things he's done to
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Speaker 12: your child and you act like you create this scene. Well,
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Speaker 12: my child was kidnapped. Well you know this is This
36:34
Speaker 12: is called being part of the problem, and she needs
36:38
Speaker 12: to suffer significant punishment as well. She cannot sit there
36:43
Speaker 12: and act like she's the victim. I'm sorry this it
36:45
Speaker 12: takes It took two of them to create this child.
36:48
Speaker 12: It apparently took two of them to harm this child
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Speaker 12: and then deceive the public and law enforcement about what
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Speaker 12: one of them or both of them had done.
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Speaker 1: Well, Philip do Bay and your zealous defense of mommy,
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Speaker 1: I just want to remind you that she knew about
37:08
Speaker 1: the injuries to the baby's sister. Doctor Coin, could you
37:13
Speaker 1: explain those injuries to Dubay before he launches his defense.
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Speaker 4: Sure.
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Speaker 9: I mean they reported at the hospital that she had
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Speaker 9: a fracture of her skull. She also had hemorrhage within
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Speaker 9: her brain and hemorrhage within the retina of both eyes.
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Speaker 9: She also had fractures to the back of her ribs
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Speaker 9: both sides, as well as a fracture of her right
37:43
Speaker 9: lower leg bone. And so this is consistent with abuse
37:48
Speaker 9: of trauma. It's almost similar to grabbing a child by
37:51
Speaker 9: the leg and slamming them into something where you have
37:54
Speaker 9: impact trauma of the skull causing the fracture the bleeding
37:58
Speaker 9: within the brain as well as the eyes, and then
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Speaker 9: sort of a twisting type injury of the leg most
38:03
Speaker 9: likely when grabbing the child and using that appendage to
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Speaker 9: sort of strike the child into something.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Corn explained to me how a baby after a
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Speaker 1: bating loses sight, hearing, and the ability to walk.
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Speaker 9: Sure most likely due to the trauma to the brain
38:26
Speaker 9: and head. So, for instance, there was significant injury to
38:31
Speaker 9: the eye. So in other words, when you strike a
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Speaker 9: child against something, the forces can actually tear or separate
38:39
Speaker 9: the layers of the redin of the eyes, so that
38:41
Speaker 9: you can have direct injury to the eyes themselves, but
38:44
Speaker 9: you can also severely image the nerves, the optic nerves
38:49
Speaker 9: that allow us to see, that allow the eyes to
38:51
Speaker 9: communicate with the brain. In addition, the brain trauma itself,
38:55
Speaker 9: so you know, our ability to walk, motor control is
38:57
Speaker 9: through our brain and spinal cord. And this child also
39:01
Speaker 9: had cervical neck injury, So if there was injury to
39:04
Speaker 9: the nerves that travel to the spinal cord. Injury to
39:07
Speaker 9: the parts of our brain that control our ability to move,
39:11
Speaker 9: then that can certainly prevent that child from walking or
39:13
Speaker 9: having difficulty walking as that child gets older. The same
39:17
Speaker 9: thing our ears. So sound is produced in our ear
39:21
Speaker 9: or is received from our ears, but it's our brain
39:23
Speaker 9: that allows us to hear. It's the auditory processing centers
39:27
Speaker 9: in our brain. And so if there was significant damage
39:30
Speaker 9: to the brain, especially in the temporal regions, which is
39:33
Speaker 9: like right behind our ears, then that could also prevent
39:36
Speaker 9: that child from being able to hear.
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Speaker 8: In the Southern California News Group, Rebecca Harrow denies that
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Speaker 8: she went to the Big Five and you Kaipa days
39:44
Speaker 8: before she reported the kidnapping and told employees her car
39:47
Speaker 8: had been burgularized in the parking lot and asked if
39:50
Speaker 8: the business had surveillance cameras. The Sheriff's Department has yet
39:53
Speaker 8: to address the claims.
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Speaker 1: Join Benedict is that true. Didployees at Big Five state
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Speaker 1: that the mother, Rebecca Harrow, was there days ahead of
40:08
Speaker 1: the kidnap of baby Emmanuel, claiming she had been burglarized,
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Speaker 1: her car had been burglarized, and asking were their surveillance
40:16
Speaker 1: videos in the parking lot.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of things in their community about what
40:22
Speaker 2: happened and whether the Horros had been there or at
40:25
Speaker 2: another business, or whether they were asking about security cameras.
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Speaker 2: I did not hear that directly from any employee of
40:31
Speaker 2: Big Five, but I know a lot of people are
40:33
Speaker 2: spreading those types of conversations.
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Speaker 1: Spreading conversations, I call them witnesses. Philip de Bay. If
40:42
Speaker 1: there is a witness stating that mommy, Rebecca Harrow was
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Speaker 1: there at the Big five days before the baby goes missing,
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Speaker 1: asking is there surveillance video in the parking lot, Oh,
40:56
Speaker 1: it's over, put a fork in her. It's done. She
41:00
Speaker 1: was planning a way to devise a fake kidnap of
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Speaker 1: the baby, and the baby was already gone or dead.
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Speaker 10: If everything that she did occurred after the fact, after
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Speaker 10: her quote unquote husband murdered that child, it does not
41:13
Speaker 10: make her complicit. And moreover, any foreknowledge that she had
41:17
Speaker 10: of the other child is not imputed to her. There
41:22
Speaker 10: is no way for her ahead of time to have
41:24
Speaker 10: had advanced knowledge of the other baby's medical chart. The
41:28
Speaker 10: police reports from the other case to say that she
41:30
Speaker 10: is complicit in this worst case scenario, she is an
41:34
Speaker 10: accessory after the fact, trying to protect him any way
41:37
Speaker 10: she can, likely out of fear. Frankly, she's probably terrified
41:42
Speaker 10: that if she comes forward and exposes him in any
41:45
Speaker 10: way that she's next.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so she put her own skin before saving her baby. Now,
41:52
Speaker 1: isn't it true and this is a yes no if
41:54
Speaker 1: that's possible debate. Isn't it true that under the law,
41:57
Speaker 1: a jury can take into account its actions before, during,
42:01
Speaker 1: and after the murder? Yes, according to these witnesses, if
42:06
Speaker 1: in fact they exist. The mom came to the Big
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Speaker 1: five sporting goods store trying to case the joint and
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Speaker 1: determine if there were surveillance cameras in the parking lot,
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Speaker 1: and what a coincidence. A few days later, she's back
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Speaker 1: in the same parking lot, signs surveillance cameras and gets
42:25
Speaker 1: attacked again in the parking lot, but this time they
42:29
Speaker 1: don't just burglarize her car. They take the baby and
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Speaker 1: blame some guy nobody sees that she can only identify
42:38
Speaker 1: by one word Olah. Okay, you save all that for
42:43
Speaker 1: the jury. Okay, I just be mad if you didn't.
42:46
Speaker 1: But isn't it true regardless of what Dubay says about
42:50
Speaker 1: accessory after the fact is the only thing mommy can
42:54
Speaker 1: be charged with. Dave mac what are the parents charged
42:59
Speaker 1: with as of tonight?
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Speaker 3: As of right now, Rebecca Harrow has been charged with
43:07
Speaker 3: first degree murder and Jay Harrow is charged with malice murder.
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Speaker 1: Question to Steve Fisher, we have not found a body.
43:19
Speaker 1: They could have given the baby away, they could have
43:20
Speaker 1: sold the baby, they could have abandoned the baby somewhere
43:23
Speaker 1: in another state. I don't know what could l E
43:28
Speaker 1: have that tells them the baby is dead. Example, in
43:35
Speaker 1: the Jennifer DilOS, missing Connecticut mom of five case, we've
43:39
Speaker 1: never found her body, but there was such a copious
43:43
Speaker 1: amount of blood in the garage where she had just
43:46
Speaker 1: come home from drop off at school. They could tell
43:49
Speaker 1: there's so much blood she had to be dead. So
43:52
Speaker 1: what could they have, Steve Fisher in this case to
43:58
Speaker 1: embolden them to bring murder just without.
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Speaker 4: A body, and they were quick to do that as well.
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Speaker 5: I'd say, you know, blood, We've heard that there's possible
44:07
Speaker 5: blood evidence in the house.
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Speaker 4: Personally, they're processing the scene. I was there.
44:11
Speaker 5: I saw them sifting, you know, through trash and they
44:14
Speaker 5: seem to be focused on one particular room in the house.
44:17
Speaker 5: They could have a confession from Jake, you know that
44:20
Speaker 5: they you know, whether it's true or not.
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Speaker 4: We don't know if that I'm a body, but they
44:24
Speaker 4: could you.
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Speaker 1: Know, what could they have with fiscal evidence.
44:29
Speaker 5: They could you know, they blood from if they have
44:32
Speaker 5: blood from the house when they processed it. From the
44:35
Speaker 5: view they sees the vehicle, Uh, there could be a
44:38
Speaker 5: forensic material in that vehicle.
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Speaker 4: You know, there would be they seize their cell phones.
44:44
Speaker 5: You know, who knows what could have been in the erase,
44:46
Speaker 5: you know, folders on that which celebrate can pull out. Uh,
44:50
Speaker 5: there could be you know, other digital you know, friends
44:53
Speaker 5: that they could be talking about, concocting a story. You know.
44:58
Speaker 1: I'll tell you there's a reason they are searching the
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Speaker 1: Marino Valley. Philip Dobay, they had a search warrant and
45:06
Speaker 1: the lawyer had them hand over their devices. Dbay, the
45:12
Speaker 1: LA believed the baby is dead. I don't know that yet,
45:16
Speaker 1: but they could have the NAV system from the car,
45:18
Speaker 1: like in Alex Murdoch's case that proved he was at
45:22
Speaker 1: the crime scene at the time of the murders. They
45:25
Speaker 1: could have digital forensic evidants, like in Brian Coburger where
45:29
Speaker 1: he stopped the victims twenty plus times and then kept
45:32
Speaker 1: going back to the scene. We know that Dad's car
45:38
Speaker 1: has been impounded. There could be all sorts of evidence
45:41
Speaker 1: in there and on their phones, such as in the
45:44
Speaker 1: case of Madeline Soto, where the no account live in
45:49
Speaker 1: boyfriend murdered her after years of sex abuse on his
45:54
Speaker 1: girlfriend's little girl. He had videos of the little girl
45:59
Speaker 1: being abused on his phone. They're so telling what they
46:02
Speaker 1: were saying to each other when they were getting rid
46:06
Speaker 1: of the seven month old baby. It could be any
46:08
Speaker 1: number of things.
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Speaker 10: Of course it could, but my guess is that they
46:13
Speaker 10: have bloodhouse evidence, so cadaver dogs. For whatever reason or
46:17
Speaker 10: somehow the dogs picked up on cadaverine futresine, which obviously
46:22
Speaker 10: detects the presence of decomposing human flesh. Moreover, it's very
46:28
Speaker 10: possible too that there is a digital blueprint putting them
46:32
Speaker 10: out in those sort of marshy, rough terrain areas where
46:38
Speaker 10: they believe that baby may prompt And it's possible too
46:42
Speaker 10: that the police interrogation with Jake that they use what
46:46
Speaker 10: I call that manipulative law enforcement reconstruction technique where they
46:51
Speaker 10: try to give him the opportunity to get off his chest,
46:55
Speaker 10: what if anything happens so he can give his version.
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Speaker 10: And what it does is that they lure him out
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Speaker 10: to the dumping site in the hopes that they can get.
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Speaker 7: A visceral response out of him.
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Speaker 1: And point, are you suggesting there's something wrong with that?
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Speaker 1: In the Supreme Court? The US Supreme Court rule on that.
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Speaker 1: It's called a Christian burial case euphemistically, where the killer
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Speaker 1: was lured to a scene and made it feel so
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Speaker 1: guilty he blurted out where the body was. There's absolutely
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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. I don't know why you're saying
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Speaker 1: it like that.
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Speaker 7: No, No, it's completely lawful. But it was unsuccessful.
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Speaker 10: Here he stood his ground and he's not able to
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Speaker 10: point them in that direction or refuse.
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Speaker 1: Oh well, aren't you proud of him? He stood his
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Speaker 1: ground and didn't help find his baby In the last
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Speaker 1: hour is a press conference regarding baby Emmanuel from local
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Speaker 1: LA law enforcement Dave Matt What happened.
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Speaker 8: As investigators looked for the body of seven month old
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Speaker 8: Emmanuel Harrow. His father, convicted Fella Jake Harrow, finally comes
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Speaker 8: clean with detectives, telling them he rolled over in bed
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Speaker 8: and accidentally killed the infant. Knowing they're only getting a
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Speaker 8: partial confession, investigators put an undercover officer in the cell
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Speaker 8: with Horrow to be his new best friend, and in
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Speaker 8: short order, Harrow tells his new SELLI he kills his
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Speaker 8: son and put his body in a trash can in
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Speaker 8: their home.
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Speaker 1: As we wait for justice to unfold in the search
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Speaker 1: for baby Emmanuel, we remember an American hero Trooper James
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Speaker 1: Amanda Inn Wy State Police Department, killed in the line
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Speaker 1: of duty after eighteen years of service, leaving behind a
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Speaker 1: grieving fiancee, Teresa. American hero Trooper James Monda thank you, Terry,
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Speaker 1: Thank you to our guest tonight, but especially to you
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Speaker 1: for being with us tonight and every night. Nobody ever
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Speaker 1: said crime is pretty, crime is not entertainment. There is
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Speaker 1: a chance we can find this baby alive. If you
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Speaker 1: know or think you know anything about baby Emmanuel, please
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Speaker 1: call nine zero nine three eight seven eight three one
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Speaker 1: three repeat nine zero nine three eight seven eight three
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Speaker 1: one three Nancy Grace signing off, Goodbye, Mad