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Malcolm Fleming: New Zealand Certified Builders Chief Executive on the study claiming insulation requirements add little to building costs · Best of Business

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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: There's a bit of debate about how much the new
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  Speaker 3: insulation rules will actually cost. Building in Construction Minister Chris
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  Speaker 3: penk reckons it could add about forty to fifty thousand
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  Speaker 3: dollars to a new home, so he wants to roll
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  Speaker 3: back these insulation standards. However, according to some new research,
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  Speaker 3: the cost can be as low as maybe twenty two
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  Speaker 3: hundred bucks for a three bedroom home. Malcolm Fleming is
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  Speaker 3: the chief executive of Z Certified Builders who participated in
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  Speaker 3: this project and is with us now. Hey, Malcolm, good evening, Heather,
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  Speaker 3: it's good to chat to you. Have you ever seen
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  Speaker 3: a three bedroom house insulated for two two hundred bucks?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's not the cost of insulation. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: we're used you ented TV Studio, which is a couple
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  Speaker 2: of designs architect designed designs which we're taking the market
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  Speaker 2: later this year, and we've used them as a case
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  Speaker 2: study with the quantities of and with e Boss, with
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  Speaker 2: architects design groups say with Eliot contributed as well, and
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  Speaker 2: to look at what would be the costs of insulation
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  Speaker 2: for H one. So just to recap on with H
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  Speaker 2: one as it was brought into the regulation only May
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three and represented a really big step up
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  Speaker 2: on the existing H one relation to get us closer
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  Speaker 2: to international countries that would you like it to be
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  Speaker 2: competed with in regard to insulation and the cost of
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  Speaker 2: thickness to run. So we used these two plants that
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  Speaker 2: were got on an intitiv studio to look at what
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  Speaker 2: would be the beare minimum H one insulation bes we
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  Speaker 2: can apply what and what would the cost be over
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  Speaker 2: and above what that bill would have been two years
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  Speaker 2: ago before H one, and that cost for three bedroom
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  Speaker 2: because we've got a two bedroom and three bison three
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  Speaker 2: big and the larger one. So we using that and
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  Speaker 2: those costs are ten thousand, six hundred dollars.
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  Speaker 3: And let me just get this right. So what you're
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  Speaker 3: saying is when you look at what the standards are
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  Speaker 3: before H one and then you go to H one,
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  Speaker 3: the difference in lifting the standard is two and a
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  Speaker 3: half for two point two thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the difference is ten thousand, six hundred if you
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  Speaker 2: use a process called segoing method, which is a bit
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  Speaker 2: of a blunt instrument that falls to two two thousand,
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  Speaker 2: one hundred dollars extra over and a puffet it been
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  Speaker 2: with the better two thousand, two hundred twenty two. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: beg your pardon. As the calculation method. So I've listen
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  Speaker 2: for homeowners here using a design architect to do their
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  Speaker 2: new homes, ask them to do the calculation method and
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  Speaker 2: keep this okay, Kip.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, because if I was building a new house,
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  Speaker 3: I don't care what the difference is. I want to
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  Speaker 3: know what the total cost is. So how much does
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  Speaker 3: it cost me to insulate the house?
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  Speaker 2: The well as low as a digital two thousand dollars?
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  Speaker 2: But on top of I've through over what it would
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  Speaker 2: have been before the near inflation ten thousand dollars less
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  Speaker 2: than what it is now.
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  Speaker 3: How what does it?
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  Speaker 1: God? Do you do?
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  Speaker 3: You know what it costs? You later had three injure
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  Speaker 3: mouths because Chris Pink, listen, Malcolm, we've got we're debating
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  Speaker 3: this right, Chris Pink says it's fifty k What do
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  Speaker 3: you say it though?
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  Speaker 2: No, So Chris Pink is saying it is now fifty
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars the house what it wants, But that can
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  Speaker 2: debate what we have counted with actually giving some data
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  Speaker 2: so that we can actually have an informed conversation about
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  Speaker 2: this rather than rely on anecdotes that has about ten
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Using a blunt instrument approach, which is everybody
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  Speaker 2: isn't if you want to use a sophisticated approach which
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  Speaker 2: a designer can use. It comes down as, of course
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  Speaker 2: two thousand, one hundred and forty square of the house.
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  Speaker 3: Malcolm, listen, what can we do about these houses that
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  Speaker 3: are overheating because they're overinsulated.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's been some contribution from brands that that is
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily the case, but where there has been examples
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  Speaker 2: of that, it comes down to the blunt instrument approach.
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  Speaker 2: The scheduling, which is approaching every sun of your surface,
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  Speaker 2: like looking at the roof, looking at will walk, each walls,
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  Speaker 2: and trying to get one hundred percent of the of
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  Speaker 2: the hy regulation on every single part of the build.
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  Speaker 2: There as a calculation that understands, Okay, you're go north
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  Speaker 2: facing animation for them windows, they get one hundred percent
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  Speaker 2: on that elevation. You're going to have that triple glazing,
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  Speaker 2: You're going to have to have insulation, everywhere over compensating
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  Speaker 2: and that could be contributing some overheating. Well, the calculation money,
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  Speaker 2: you understand, and you're never going to get get there
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  Speaker 2: in a cost effective manner, but you're going to do
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  Speaker 2: better the roofs and so forth to counterdement.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, I see you're saying, Malcolm. I really
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  Speaker 3: appreciate it, mate, Thank you for talking to us. It's
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  Speaker 3: Malcolm Fleming, Certified Builders, Chief Executive. I don't really know
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  Speaker 3: what the point of that was, but that was an amusing
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  Speaker 3: onen't it.
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