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  Speaker 1: God didn't cause these floods.
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  Speaker 2: It was the rich elites causing the mud floods so
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  Speaker 2: that we could be reset. Under the docks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, under the docks.
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  Speaker 1: Very deep and we're breaking the locks.
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  Speaker 4: Furniture got clipped, they erase all the shots.
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  Speaker 1: They collect the dots.
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  Speaker 4: Under the docks. Under the docks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, under the docks.
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  Speaker 4: We're under the docks.
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  Speaker 3: And we made a huge mistake in recent episodes. We
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  Speaker 3: did like two or three or four or five documentaries
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  Speaker 3: on statenism and Aleister Crowley and all sorts of dark topics.
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  Speaker 3: And we didn't even have anything to counterbalance all of that.
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  Speaker 3: So I felt like my soul was headed straight to
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  Speaker 3: hell and realized we did a Genesis recently. Here's another one.
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  Speaker 3: Here's a completely separate documentary on Genesis called Coincidentally, it
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  Speaker 3: came out in the exact same year, 2017. But this
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  Speaker 3: one is called Is Genesis History? And this was directed
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  Speaker 3: and written by a guy named Thomas Purifoy, who is
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  Speaker 3: basically the narrator on this one. And here's what the
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  Speaker 3: summary is. Explore the world to see how it intersects
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  Speaker 3: with the stories related to Genesis. Del Tackett of the
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  Speaker 3: Truth Project hikes through canyons, climbs mountains, and dives below
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  Speaker 3: the sea to examine the competing views and one compelling truth.
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  Speaker 3: And since we're talking about truth here, he doesn't dive
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  Speaker 3: below the sea. That never actually happens in this documentary,
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  Speaker 3: so don't get too excited.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you need to work more on your
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  Speaker 2: announcer voice, man. I think that we got that right there.
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  Speaker 2: I could see it in next movie. I'm like, you
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  Speaker 2: got it, bro. Like, I think you found your real
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  Speaker 2: niche right there. They should have hired you. I might
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  Speaker 2: have been more interested.
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  Speaker 1: In the movie.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, it has to start with and not
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  Speaker 3: explore the world, but in a world. So you go
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  Speaker 3: in a world. We're intersection of stories. So this one
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  Speaker 3: compared to the previous, usually we don't do comparisons between
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  Speaker 3: documentaries you watch, but since they were both 2017, they're
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  Speaker 3: both talking about, we're going to explain the science behind Genesis.
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  Speaker 3: It's impossible for me to not compare this at least
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  Speaker 3: a little bit. I'm going to try and avoid that,
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  Speaker 3: but it might help if you go back and watch
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  Speaker 3: Genesis Paradise Lost review that we did maybe like a
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  Speaker 3: week or two ago and this one. So this one,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't have a bunch of CG and Pixar and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: It's literally just the dude walking around canyons. But the
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  Speaker 3: interesting part of this one is that He goes and
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  Speaker 3: talks to a bunch of PhDs in like archaeology and
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  Speaker 3: geology and like just all these different realms. And he's
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  Speaker 3: going to like museums. And so this one has way
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  Speaker 3: more people getting into. I mean, I'll put in air quotes,
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  Speaker 3: but science, at least more so than Paradise Lost did.
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  Speaker 3: So that that was a little bit exciting for. At
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  Speaker 3: the same time, it was mad boring. Like the actual
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  Speaker 3: pacing of this, I really did have to force myself
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  Speaker 3: to pay attention to this documentary. It doesn't, it didn't
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  Speaker 3: have that same grip where you're watching like the Tiger
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  Speaker 3: King and you're like, wait, what? You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: And it like leads you on to the next one.
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  Speaker 3: This one doesn't really have that. So you kind of
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  Speaker 3: have to be fully invested in the book of Genesis
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  Speaker 3: and proving it through science to kind of like get
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  Speaker 3: into this one.
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  Speaker 1: This is only to cleanse your spiritual palate.
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  Speaker 3: Plotting the course of this one was a little bit easier,
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  Speaker 3: and I actually like it because this documentary is split
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  Speaker 3: up between the narrator talking to different scientists about very
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  Speaker 3: particular topics. And it just it does these like complete
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  Speaker 3: segues from one to the other. So I'm kind of
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  Speaker 3: going to structure that a little bit based on that.
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  Speaker 3: The way that it starts out, they did make a
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  Speaker 3: really good introduction because he's standing somewhere in Colorado, I think.
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  Speaker 3: Or no, he was right outside of Mount St. Helens.
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  Speaker 3: And he's showing you this like landscape and he's like,
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  Speaker 3: kind of looks like the Grand Canyon, right? You know, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: look at this. Look at all these rock formations and
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  Speaker 3: these like big canyons and all these different like geological formations.
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  Speaker 3: And he goes, you know, these geological formations are younger
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  Speaker 3: than I am. And I was like, what? There's no way.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: And then he goes on to explain that when Mount St.
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  Speaker 3: Helens erupted, it created this like instant formations where the
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  Speaker 3: ground split apart. There's like little streams going through there now.
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  Speaker 3: And that all of that happened within hours, not millions
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  Speaker 3: of years or billions of years. And that I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: that's actually a really interesting hook point. But then the
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  Speaker 3: more I thought about it too, I was like, well,
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  Speaker 3: wait a minute. Because yeah, the formation, like the crack
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  Speaker 3: in the earth, that's the thing that's new. But the
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  Speaker 3: fact that like the rock is there, like that rock
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  Speaker 3: did take quite a while to be there. It's not
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  Speaker 3: like Mount St. Helens made the rock and like turned
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  Speaker 3: the water there. It just sort of changed the way
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  Speaker 3: that it was laid out. But the way that he
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  Speaker 3: kind of premises this is, It's interesting because you do
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  Speaker 3: look at the grand Canyon and they, they go on
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  Speaker 3: to really harp on this later. And the, the conventional
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  Speaker 3: science explanation is that this happened over, you know, millions
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  Speaker 3: of years of slow erosion and what he's coming straight
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  Speaker 3: out of the gate saying like, well, no, maybe some
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  Speaker 3: of these huge formations that we're used to hearing took
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  Speaker 3: like millions of years to create. Maybe that happened in
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  Speaker 3: an hour. Maybe that happened in a day.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what is a day? Is the day 24 hours?
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  Speaker 3: Don't even start. Actually, they do get into that in
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  Speaker 3: this documentary too. And then even before they get into
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  Speaker 3: any of the real details. Someone asked the question, well,
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  Speaker 3: did man come from apes or did God create us instantly?
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, God, here we go again. Like,
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  Speaker 3: show me what part in Genesis. Although I guess technically
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  Speaker 3: Genesis explains the what, not the how. So this documentary
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  Speaker 3: is trying to sort of like reverse engineer that how.
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  Speaker 3: And then it asks a couple other really good questions.
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  Speaker 3: One of them was. Was there a flood? And then
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  Speaker 3: finally is Genesis history, which is the namesake of this documentary.
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  Speaker 3: So you go into this with the expectation that they're
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  Speaker 3: going to answer. Did man come from apes? Did God
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  Speaker 3: create us instantly? Was there a flood and is Genesis history? Uh, and, uh,
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  Speaker 3: Then the credits start rolling. And when I say that
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of PhDs involved in this movie, we're
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  Speaker 3: talking 20 plus. So it's not just like Dr. Such
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  Speaker 3: and Such. It's like such and such, comma, PhD, comma.
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  Speaker 3: And this is the area that they're in. And I
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  Speaker 3: will say to their credit, they did find actual PhD
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  Speaker 3: experts in all this, not just a bunch of randos
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  Speaker 3: that put like doctor in their name.
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  Speaker 2: Not former Freemasons saying like, let me tell you the
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  Speaker 2: secrets on something.
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  Speaker 1: That's actually people that are in those fields.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to talk to a current Freemason, not
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  Speaker 3: a former Freemason. Like, if you got fired from Taco Bell,
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  Speaker 3: I don't care about your opinion on how Taco Bell
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  Speaker 3: is run. I need to talk to the manager. So
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  Speaker 3: it It starts on page one, line one, Genesis, right?
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  Speaker 3: But then it goes into the flood and then they
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  Speaker 3: start asking these questions. Well, wouldn't there be evidence of
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  Speaker 3: a global flood? So then he goes to the Grand
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  Speaker 3: Canyon there in Arizona. And when I say they get
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  Speaker 3: deep into geology, like this is into the full weeds.
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  Speaker 3: You get a full breakdown. I was back in like
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  Speaker 3: seventh grade, you know, like taking notes and like, I
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  Speaker 3: almost felt like they were going to sign homework at
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  Speaker 3: the end of this part. But they're just and I'm
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  Speaker 3: not even going to pretend like I remembered any of
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  Speaker 3: this or that I'll remember this in a month from now.
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  Speaker 3: But he's talking specifically about all of these mega, mega sequences.
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  Speaker 3: And one of the examples is called the sock mega sequence.
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  Speaker 3: And what these are that if you look at the
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  Speaker 3: Grand Canyon and you see like the layers, right, or
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  Speaker 3: like the painted desert, you see these layers, right? Each
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  Speaker 3: one of those layers is something that they call a
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  Speaker 3: mega sequence. So if you imagine, hold on to your seats,
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  Speaker 3: a mud flood, if a mud flood came through and
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  Speaker 3: within like an hour or a day, there's this huge
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  Speaker 3: layer of mud and then that just hardens. And then
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  Speaker 3: over time, a thousand years later, another mud flood exists. Well,
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  Speaker 3: those mud floods exist. result in these big mega sequences
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  Speaker 3: and it's just like stacking them on top of each
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  Speaker 3: other so if you were to cut through north america
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  Speaker 3: like it was a cake and just like split it
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  Speaker 3: open you'd see all these layers like those layers represent
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  Speaker 3: some sort of a flood event or mud flood or
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  Speaker 3: some kind of landfall that happened across the entire country
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  Speaker 3: and And then if you zoom out even farther, they
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  Speaker 3: point out that those layers actually connect on completely other continents.
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  Speaker 3: So this does leverage a little bit to the premise
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  Speaker 3: that there was like a Pangea of some sort. Or
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  Speaker 3: if not a Pangea, then if there was a global flood,
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  Speaker 3: then it affected different continents the same. Where they both
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  Speaker 3: get covered in the exact same thick mud layer that
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  Speaker 3: then eventually solidifies over time. Depending on your scale, thousands
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  Speaker 3: of years or billions of years. I still don't understand
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  Speaker 3: why the delineation matters. But if you want to get
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  Speaker 3: into the geology aspect, I will say that the first
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  Speaker 3: 10 minutes of this documentary does involve far more science
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  Speaker 3: than the previous Genesis Paradise Lost combined. So two and
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  Speaker 3: a half hours versus the first 10 minutes of this one.
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  Speaker 3: The first 10 minutes of this one already establishes more credit.
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  Speaker 2: And I will say, like, it does start off like
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  Speaker 2: they're trying to be more theatrical on the other version.
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  Speaker 2: And this one, it is more basic, more like ABC
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  Speaker 2: in the 90s or 80s and 70s, where you just
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  Speaker 2: saw like a guy like interviewing people and asking him, like,
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  Speaker 2: what do you think on this topic or your specialty?
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  Speaker 1: And they kind of breaking down different sciences to you.
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  Speaker 2: And it gave, like you said, that school feel or
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  Speaker 2: that like kind of like a little bit boring ish.
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  Speaker 2: But it did actually get more involved into what was
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  Speaker 2: going on. And I will say, God didn't cause these floods.
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  Speaker 2: It was the rich elites causing the mud floods so
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  Speaker 2: that we could be reset. Then it's a big tangent.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to get into that because then someone
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  Speaker 2: might suggest a nine hour documentary that I'm just joking, guys.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to watch it.
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  Speaker 3: Coming next, space lasers. Real or fake?
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  Speaker 1: We do.
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  Speaker 3: We need to find a space laser documentary that gets
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  Speaker 3: into the mud flood. That is coming, so stay tuned.
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  Speaker 3: The other thing that they get into, and I guess
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  Speaker 3: at the end of the original geology sequence in this documentary,
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  Speaker 3: the one thing that made a good impression on me, though,
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  Speaker 3: was that Some of these huge global, like the actual ones,
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  Speaker 3: even if you divorce yourself from trying to think about
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  Speaker 3: Genesis in terms of science, just the actual science that
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  Speaker 3: we do have that explains our natural world. Some of
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  Speaker 3: these big events did happen in the course of hours.
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  Speaker 3: or days, and they don't all require thousands or millions
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  Speaker 3: of years in order for this to happen. So the
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  Speaker 3: Mount St. Helens was a great way to start that,
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  Speaker 3: and it kind of was like, hey, everything that you
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  Speaker 3: think that you know is so solidified that you know, well,
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  Speaker 3: here's something here. Look at this. I bet you think
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  Speaker 3: this is millions of years old. Guess what? You're wrong.
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  Speaker 3: So I like that they kind of got their foot
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  Speaker 3: in the door that way. And then they mention timescale.
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  Speaker 3: So this documentary does... It brings up way more interesting thoughts.
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  Speaker 3: The first one was all hot takes. This one, they're describing, well...
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  Speaker 3: The scale of time, which is the difference between the
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  Speaker 3: thousands versus billions of years, it's really about did things
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  Speaker 3: start fully formed or do they take their form over
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  Speaker 3: a long, long distance of time? And they were starting
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  Speaker 3: talking about the rock formations, but then you can equate
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  Speaker 3: that to the theory of evolution, that a human– slowly
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  Speaker 3: evolve from a single-celled amoeba and then turn into a human?
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  Speaker 3: Or was God just like, and there's the human, the
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  Speaker 3: same way that it's like, and there's the mud flood, right?
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  Speaker 3: And I'm oversimplifying that, but I do think that they
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  Speaker 3: keep coming back to this scale of time over and
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  Speaker 3: over again, so we'll focus on it here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they do, and they're trying to, like, tell you.
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  Speaker 2: the part where they're in talking to the guy with
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  Speaker 2: the computers and they're like this is what you think
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  Speaker 2: a computer would be and then like it's like this
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  Speaker 2: is how it is now they're describing uh i like
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: their approach but at the same time i just i
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  Speaker 2: guess like it was i was already let i will
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: preface that i watched the first one first so i
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  Speaker 2: was going into this already kind of like irritated and
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: hardlining Oh, am I going to hear a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: more right wing Christian conservative talking points?
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  Speaker 1: Like I was already like upset.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So I will say that's through some of it.
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  Speaker 2: I did zone and filter out like and I'm just
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  Speaker 2: hearing the negative of it instead of like seeing a
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: lot of the positive. So just take that as you will,
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  Speaker 2: as I am commentary during this.
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  Speaker 3: So after we leave the intro where he's talking about
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  Speaker 3: Mount St. Helens and geology formations, then we go and
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: talk to a Hebrew expert. And this guy repeats something
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  Speaker 3: that comes up a lot when people try and... prove
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  Speaker 3: Genesis through science. And he says that the original word
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  Speaker 3: for day in Genesis was Yom and that Yom means
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  Speaker 3: 24 hour day. So therefore the Bible, and this is
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  Speaker 3: his words, not mine is not poetry. It's a narrative.
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  Speaker 3: And when they say a day, they don't mean, well,
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  Speaker 3: they could be anything to God. No, that a day
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  Speaker 3: was 24 hours, the same 24 hours that we have now.
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  Speaker 3: And then he goes on to say, They jump around
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  Speaker 3: Genesis a little bit here. He goes to Genesis chapter 10,
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  Speaker 3: where they're talking about the sons of Noah and that
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  Speaker 3: the different sons of Noah represented the different countries and
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: that each son has a different language and each country
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  Speaker 3: has its own languages. So therefore the sons of Noah
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  Speaker 3: represent the countries and the languages that So then they
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  Speaker 3: immediately start talking about the New Testament. And again, I
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  Speaker 3: was like, come on, guys. Like, isn't Genesis enough to
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: take a bite off and like chew that and fully
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  Speaker 3: digest that before you get into the New Testament? Like
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  Speaker 3: at least work yourself through the first part of the
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  Speaker 3: Old Testament before you try and like bring everything into this. So. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: and I, and I understand that the reason is because it's,
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  Speaker 3: it's Christians making this documentary. It's not someone that wants
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  Speaker 3: to prove Genesis because they believe Genesis is real. They're
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  Speaker 3: trying to prove Genesis is real because they want Jesus
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  Speaker 3: Christ to be real. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It plays in the forefront of that and trying to
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: give them everything they're saying. One of my, I hate
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: the argument of like the interpretation because they're like, it
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  Speaker 2: literally means that, but how, when we have people that
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: speak Spanish or, uh, Right.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I have friends that tell me that speak multiple languages.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: I do not speak multiple languages, but a lot of
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  Speaker 2: my friends do. And then I'll be asking them questions
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  Speaker 2: and they're like, well, there's not really a word for that.
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  Speaker 2: Like we can kind of use this and we kind
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: of take this piece of this and we know what
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  Speaker 2: we mean, but it's.
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  Speaker 1: Not a literal version.
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  Speaker 2: But then you're telling me that an ancient text from
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  Speaker 2: Hebrew is like, oh, for sure, this means 24 hour day.
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  Speaker 3: This documentary doesn't do this, but we both know people
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  Speaker 3: that I think would fit in this category where they
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  Speaker 3: would argue that like, no, bro, Genesis, Yom, like that
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  Speaker 3: was a 24 hour day, the exact same day that
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  Speaker 3: we have now, thousands or whatever, billions of years later.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: And then they'll be like, but the sun was a
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: different color when I was nine. Like the sun changed
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: color in the last 30 years. But also the length
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  Speaker 3: of the day has never changed since the beginning of time.
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  Speaker 3: And they'll say it with a straight face. So a
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  Speaker 3: chip on my shoulder on that. He leaves the Hebrew
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  Speaker 3: expert and then he goes to geologist number two. My
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  Speaker 3: guess is this dude has a huge rock collection at home.
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  Speaker 3: You know, kind of like a Hank in Breaking Bad, maybe. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But he starts in on Charles Lyell and that Charles Lyell,
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  Speaker 3: he created this concept of the Earth being billions of
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: years old. And from that, Charles Darwin comes up with
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: a theory of evolution. So here here's part of the
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: answer of like, why are all these Genesis books? um, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, crusaders constantly harping on how long a day
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  Speaker 3: was and the difference between thousands of years. And, and again,
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  Speaker 3: it's because Charles Lyell and Charles Darwin both rested their
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: claims on this billion year old earth. So the opposite of,
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: you know, evolution has to somehow refute like the, the
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: length of time. So again, instead of millions of years,
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  Speaker 3: it's thousands of years. And the evidence that this second
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  Speaker 3: geologist comes up with is again, like, the evidence of
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  Speaker 3: this rapid sedimentation because, uh, and I'm going to get
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: some of these words wrong, but the Cochino sandstone spreads,
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  Speaker 3: it's another one of these huge chunks that, uh, traverses
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  Speaker 3: continents that kind of implies that there was like a
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: global flood or at least a Pangea and then a
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: flood and then a separation of all that. And then
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: they talk about, again, We're talking that some forms of
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: accepted science say this took millions of years, and these
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: guys in the documentary are saying, no, hours. This happened
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: in one day, not over the course of millions of years.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: I find this to be such an extreme difference between
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: those two that I'm interested in that, and I like
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: how this documentary, they just kind of like dangle the
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: carrot a little bit, and then they go and they
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: talk to someone else about something completely different. Yeah.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Moving on.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I thought some of the things that I got from
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: it is that they're talking about like how you measuring
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: the earth and all this. And they're like saying, well,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: some people got it wrong. So that is completely wrong.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: You can't do it that way. And it's like, OK,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: so because it's not up to your standards or you're
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: proving that in one instance that they may have miscalculated,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: but now it has to only be your way.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: And that.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Is a theme through this kind of like talk, because again,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: it's heavily biased on. You're more trying to prove that
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: you're what you, but it's almost like these films. You're
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: trying to prove what you believe in. You're trying to
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: prove to yourself that you're believing in the right thing.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Instead of just having the faith and saying, I'm not sure.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not exactly sure what it is. I can't explain
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: it all to you, but I just believe it. I can.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I can deal with someone in that nature, but when
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: you're like, no, I got to prove it to myself.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Now I feel like you doubt everything that you feel.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: The next... expert we talked to was a paleontologist, and
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: it's mostly dinosaurs that we get to talk about. So
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: this one's kind of interesting. And this paleontologist is breaking
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: down his view of these epochs, right? So the first
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: one is what he calls the creation epoch, which is
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: the six days when God's creating everything. And then he
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: rests on the seventh, right? Right after the creation epoch,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: then there's the... what he calls the Edenian after like
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: the garden of Eden. So the Edenian epoch is an
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: unknown length. Well, isn't that convenient that we know exactly
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: how many hours are in the first six days, but
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: then an entire epoch traverses. And it's like, Oh, we
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: don't really know how long that was. I'm pretty sure
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: I knew exactly how many hours were in the first
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: six days that God created. But after that, it gets
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: a little bit muddy. You know, I'm not as certain afterwards, but, Uh,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: so I'm wondering as soon as they say that, like, well, okay,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: well then couldn't the Edenian epoch be billions of years?
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Like where in Genesis does it say that they had
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: to be there for exactly this many? It doesn't really
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: say how long they were in the garden of Eden.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: And if before the fall of man. uh, people could
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: live forever, right? Then what's the difference between living a
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: thousand years and a billion years? It seems up in
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: the air. These are the questions that I come up
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: with that I almost wish I could pause it and
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: ask the documentary and have the documentary go off on
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: a tangent, but it doesn't.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe documentaries become AI where they're interactive. And if
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: you want an AI documentary from under the docks, like
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: and subscribe, share, share the show.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: And don't forget to comment.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know if we're going to do that. Then
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: he goes into the antediluvian epoch, which is right before
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: the flood, but after the fall of man. So after
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Adam and Eve get kicked out of the Garden of Eden.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Then there's this length of time when everything really sucks.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, just to put it briefly. And then you've
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: got the flood, which just happens for a small amount
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: of time. It doesn't get its own epoch. And then
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: you get the post-flood epoch. And this is what they
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: described was the Ice Age, that the Ice Age was
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: a direct result of this global flood. And that dinosaurs
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: were there in that tiny little amount of time after
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Adam and Eve get kicked out of the garden, but
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: before the flood happens. And they're describing that the reason
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: that they believe this is because you can find the
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: same dinosaur fossils in the same layer all over the
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: world and completely different continents. Again, which is going to
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: that like either Pangea or global flood theory. And then
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: it's describing how, well, Only a fast flood would describe this,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: not a slow, progressive thing that takes millions of years
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: to take place. So, I mean, if I'm just going
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: on the information this documentary is presenting to me, it
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: does make more logical sense. There's less of me having
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: these knee-jerk reactions like, wait a minute, you know, that's
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: such a hot take. Like, they're actually feeding, like, logic
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: in here where I'm like, okay, I mean, you're making
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: a point. Like, keep cooking. Go on.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: But I got to stop you for a second because
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: you keep saying that these dinosaurs are not real. If
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: they were, can you explain why the Smithsonian was putting out.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Fake dinosaur bones in museums?
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: There would be no logical reason for that.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: It's fake.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: They're covering it up. It's for all these mud floods.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to go on a tangent,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: but just to let you know that it's fake and gay.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Well, just like I think all music has always been
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: AI generated, because if you can show me music now
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: that was generated by AI, why isn't all music always
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: AI generated? So proof is in the pudding, man.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: That is true.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: The next phase is the Cambrian Explosion, and this is
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: where he talks about there's all of these different variety
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: of sea creatures that just come out of nowhere, so
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: to speak. Well, this is also part of the flood,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: because if there's a global flood that takes place over
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: the course of hours or days or months and not
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: millions of years... then that flood is instantly creating completely
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: new ecosystems. Like, Hey, guess what? Your house is now
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: completely underwater. There's 40 feet of water, you know, above
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: your head right now. Well, guess what? You live in
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: a completely new ecosystem, which I guess in this form
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: of logic creates instantly new animals that automatically thrive in
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: this new ecosystem that was just created. Then they start
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: talking about finding footprints and fossils that, before they find
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: the fossils themselves. So then it's like, well, how come
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: the farther back you go, you can see the footprint
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: of a dinosaur, but the dinosaur is nowhere to be found? Like,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: why is that? And they're explaining that this is because
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: If there was a big flood and a dinosaur runs
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: across it and leaves its footprints in, but then there's
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: not another flood for a long time, then you're only
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: going to get the footprints. But then if a dinosaur
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: gets taken over by a mud flood and they get trapped,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: then now you get fossils. Again, this is they're explaining
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: this in the course of like five to six minutes.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: So you don't get like a whole two hour deep
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: dive on dinosaurs here. But but they are absolutely trying
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: to explain some of the things that come up when
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: they go for proof of dinosaurs. And interestingly enough, this
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: documentary is not saying dinosaurs didn't exist. They're just saying
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: that dinosaurs are only thousands of years old, not billions
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: of years old.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I also thought this was a missed opportunity. I thought
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: when they were talking about like this floods and the dinosaurs,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I thought they could have brought in like Bigfoot encrypted
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: and like different creatures and why like these weird phenomenons
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: throughout the earth.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I thought it would have made it a little bit
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: more interesting.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Obviously they might not think the same way I do,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: but I thought it would have been a, a missed
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: opportunity for sure. Cause you could have spread like, that's
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: how Bigfoot came to North America. Like I thought that
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: would have been really cool, but, They missed that opportunity
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: It would be even better without even saying in the narration,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: but as we're talking about dinosaurs, there's just a frame
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: of like Jesus riding a dinosaur and like completely unexplained.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: It just happens to be part of the visuals. Okay.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Here's my favorite claim that comes up in the dinosaur section.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: And they say that dinosaurs imagine they're showing like a T-Rex, right?
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: And they zoom in on the claws of the T-Rex
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: and the huge, you know, jawline with these like vicious
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: looking sharp teeth. And like, you know, dinosaurs only had
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: claws and fangs because of the curse. Because Adam and
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Eve got kicked out of the Garden of Eden. And
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: this was repeated in the other Genesis documentary watch. But
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: everyone was a vegetarian. Animals just ate plants. Animals did
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: not eat animals. And people didn't eat animals. And as
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: soon as the curse happened, now dinosaurs turn into these, like,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: vicious creatures because immediately the world gets filled with violence.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: And the reason... that God wipes out the dinosaurs is
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: because they're cursed. They are affected so much by this
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: curse from Adam and Eve that he's like, Oh God,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: now they're like these, these horrible monsters with these like
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: sharp talons and fangs got to start over. Right. So,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, If that were the case, if I'm
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: just using my science logic brain, how come humans don't
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: have just all fangs and sharp talons? It was just
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: the dinosaurs that got cursed, but also lions. Before the
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: fall of man, lions didn't have sharp claws or fangs either.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: They were just, I guess, gummed flowers for their diet.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Also, wouldn't that kind of prove that evolution is kind
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: of real?
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Because then they evolved to have.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Different kinds of claws and teeth and things to survive
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: like that that was a like a almost like i
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: don't don't look in too much into that part you
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: know they're like it's just that they were demons bro
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: like i hate that that's like the.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Explanation for certain things that people don't understand.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Like they're willing to if you go i don't understand
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: any of it i'm not sure i just believe this
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: cool but when you're like no no this is fact
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: and then when you go well what about this demon
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: like automatically i don't understand it so it's a demon
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: you don't understand it can't explain it it's a demon
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: and you're like okay like and then i thought while
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: i'm listening to this was this new like what in
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the last 20 years or so maybe where they started
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: maybe a little bit less where they're talking about how
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: dinosaurs now like you know they may have had feathers
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: they weren't lizard like right like all this like nuance
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: of like now either making some like movies where the
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: dinosaurs look like a little more feathery right Was this
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: the evolutionary guys going, okay, we're getting into your face.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: You guys are getting into the dinosaur stuff a little
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: bit too much.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: And you're making them demons, so we're going to change
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: it up a little bit.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Now birds are demons. That's got to be the next
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: big conspiracy way. Birds are demons. The next section on this,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: they talk about they're still with the paleontologist guy, and
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: you realize that this paleontologist works with an organization called
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: the Creation Research Society, which is such a fascinating concept
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: because these are creationists that are also paleontologists. So they
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: find a dinosaur and they're like, all right, how does
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: this fit into the proof that Genesis is real? So
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: I actually really like that these people are out there
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: and they have such a different perspective. And the guy
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: that he's talking to, And I didn't do any like
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: background research on this. Like I'm going to go and
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: prove this wrong. So I'm just going based on what
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: he presented. And this was fascinating to me where he's
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: got a dissolved triceratops horn, right? He finds a triceratops,
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: if you believe those are real. He takes the horn
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: and they dissolve it in like a chemical mixture. And
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: when they dissolve it, he finds soft tissue. And when
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: I say soft tissue, he zooms in um, under a
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: microscope and it shows them like stretching it. And it
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: like stretches back in the place to indicate that this
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: is like some sort of organic soft tissue that, that
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: even though you think fossil, you're like, Oh, fossil means
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: like a, like a rock. No, this is actual tissue
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: that he's able to show. And he then, um, pivots
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: to saying, this is proof that, That dinosaurs are only
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: thousands of years old because if this fossil was millions
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: of years old, then it wouldn't still stretch. And he
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: doesn't get into why it wouldn't stretch if it was
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: millions of years old. It's just like, just, you know,
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: just trust me. You won't have time to go into it.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: But then he basically is using this as an example that.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: the theory of evolution requires vast amounts of time in
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: order to take place. And then it can't take place
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: in a short period of time. I mean, I think
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: that this is factually incorrect too, because there are certain, Oh,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: and I wish I had looked this up so I
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: could cite it with more authority, but there are certain
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: areas in this country that over the last 50 years, uh,
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: like bridges come up and it impacts, uh, where like
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: birds are able to fly. And there've actually been, uh,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: examples of birds in small little like eco pockets that
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: evolve to not die by like flying into bridges and
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: this is happening over the course of 50 years not
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: thousands or even millions so if they're they're basically trying
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: to say that evolution claims a well a is not
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: right well i don't know if evolution actually claims that
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: and and almost bringing that to a higher level i
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: don't know how Like what if you die and you
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: go to the pearly gates and you're talking to St.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Peter and he's like, yeah, man, you know, great job
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: down there. You know, had a great life. But just
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: to let you know, before you go and talk to
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: the big guy, like he kind of invented evolution. That
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: was like the way that he made his creation evolve.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: And he's not super happy that you were just like
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: shitting on it constantly. So just maybe don't bring up
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: evolution in front of the inventor of evolution.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Like the point being, like, I don't understand why disproving
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: evolution is somehow proving God. Like what if what if
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: God is the one that made evolution? Right.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I've always thought that goes hand in hand, right?
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Like you see it.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: And then they're trying to disprove evolution instead of like,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I can understand where you could go. Maybe you don't
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: want to say that, uh, humans came from fish or the,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: the big argument is because people get upset. Like, I
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: guess they feel, uh, Disrespected. They're like, I'm not a chimpanzee.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not an idiot.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I'm not scratching my butt and just sitting there with
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: flies and even I think people and it's been used
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: as the derogatory term. So when they feel like they're
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: getting called that, I think that's just my opinion.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: But what about pigs? They say from weeks to.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Months, you can get a pig on a farm, put
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: it in a forest, in a wilderness. It will grow
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: tusks and its skin will grow thicker and it will
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: get fur and In weeks to a month, man, that
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: right there is what evolution is now. What I think
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: they should have been doing this whole time is more
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: proving how evolution is a little bit more nuanced. It's
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: not exactly what Darwinism is, right? It's not like a
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: turtle will turn into a human if it stands in
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: this certain environment for so long.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: But yes, it will adapt to its environment.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: And to pretend that it's not a thing at all
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: is what really makes a lot of these films just
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: hard to watch because.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: You're like, okay, you got me right there.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting that they found uh, tissue
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: from the triceratops too. And I was like, dang, this
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: is kind of interesting. This is maybe groundbreaking. And then
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: they derail the whole thing by being.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, this is why evolution is wrong. And it's fake.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, but you're kind of proving a lot
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: of this stuff. You're trying to disprove to me. You
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: are proving it by saying the dinosaurs grew tusks, uh,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: different nails and claws and teeth, because now they're, not
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: eating plants anymore.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: That is evolution. Like that is what happens. That is
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: exactly what we're arguing.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Now I think in my terms is more of like
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: a middle ground of like, yeah, God exists and he
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: probably created like evolution.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: It's part, it's part of what it is.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: And, They just can't fathom that. This reminds me of
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: a Facebook argument. Like you're like, I've been arguing with
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: this guy on Facebook for two years. I'm going to
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: make a film to disprove him because you're not trying
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: to find truth.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: You're just trying to be right.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: And this documentary did help me understand why this becomes
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: such a point of contention. And the reason is because
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: if you're trying to approach Genesis from like logic and
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: science and really like prove that it happened in real
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: life and 24 hours or in a day and all
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: that stuff. Then you're like, all right, how did Noah
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: get every animal on the planet onto this ark? How
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: did he get? There are just so many animals and
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: so many variations. And this is part of that. This
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: is because animals can adapt and change into their like kind.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: And that's going to do a lot of heavy lifting
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: that word kind. And to lead up to that, first
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: they go and they talk to a marine biologist. And
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: this guy specifically is a coral reef specialist. And they're
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: in like St. Thomas. And he shows these sharks in
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: a tank. And he's saying that when God created them,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: when God created a shark... he gave that shark the
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: ability to change and adapt to their environment. And just
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: like you, I'm like, okay, are we not basically saying
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: that God created evolution? Right? Like, like it's almost like,
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: how is he not putting these dots together and fighting
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: the things that he's saying? Um, because again, again, like,
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Evolution is the thing that tries to explain the how,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: not why, not necessarily when, definitely not who, just how
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: did this happen? And then the Bible is describing what happened,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: not how it happened. So I don't understand why these
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: two sides seem like they're fighting constantly. And then he
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: says the part that kind of loses me. I was like, oh,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: that's right. We're watching a religious documentary right now. He goes,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: it's too complex to have just happened by chance. Like, okay,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: because something is too complex for you to understand God.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: And that's, I mean, let's bring you back into that
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: room full of computers again. I mean, there's probably someone
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: on a timeline long enough that you show them a
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: microprocessor and they're like, this is too complex to have
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: been created by just a person. And completely ignoring the
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: fact that, well, maybe this represents like a few centuries
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: worth of technology that constantly evolves. Don't get triggered at
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: that word. And then they go to a zoo and
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: they talk to this biologist and And the biologist is
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: sort of picking up that baton with the guy was
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: talking about the sharks and the biologist finally describes the
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: arc situation. And this sounded absolutely insane to me. Like
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: this was just like, sorry, this sounded so stupid that
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: I couldn't believe anyone actually like believing this version of
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: an interpretation of Genesis. But he says that, all lions
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: are cats and that lions have a certain catness to them.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: His words, not mine. He's a catness. So he's like,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: so you've got this, this cat and the cat represents
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: a kind. So in Genesis, when Noah puts all of
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: these animals onto an ark, what he's really doing is
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: he's putting a cat onto the, a pair, right? A
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: female and a male cat onto the ark that, And
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: then once the ark survives the flood and they let
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: the cats back out, well, those two cats then create
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: leopards and tigers and lions and house cats and just
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: anything that is from a feline family or a cat.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: It originally started on the arc as just, like, this
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: base pair, and then it turns into all these variations
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: from that. And which was what the guy was basically
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: trying to explain with the shark, but I feel like
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: he was being more reserved. He went like, I don't
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: want to just sound like an idiot and just be like,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: there's a sharkness. And then, like, and also... Where did
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Noah put the sharks on the ark? Or did all
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: sea creatures, like, they were just like, oh, we don't
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: have to worry about this. Like, this is great for us.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, the sea creatures. But
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: somehow the shark is also cursed, right? Because the shark
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: used to be a vegetarian. But then after Adam ate
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: the apple, his teeth got pointy.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: But then they weren't cursed enough to get rid of,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: so we kept them.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Because they're all right.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Or maybe.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: To me, everything.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: They're explaining is evolution. The whole time I'm like, dude,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: you're losing this battle, man. I think you chose the
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: wrong way. I'm with you. If I'm going to get
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: into this debate, I'm going to merge a little bit
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: of their thing because I have a better time to
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: be like, hey, God invented evolution.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: That to me just beats.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Them like if you really just wanted to win i
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: go yeah god invented uh he's created evolution bro like
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: what do you mean boom mic drop like what are
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: they gonna say like they can argue back at that
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: but they can't prove it but now you put yourself
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: in a position where you're looking foolish where you're like
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: oh let me disprove evolution by showing that things evolve
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: i'm like what are you doing bro.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: And he doubles down too. Cause even as I'm watching this,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: I'm like, wait, like you're not really saying this.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: And he's like, yeah, I'm really saying this. So quote,
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: God didn't just create a lion. He created something that
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: could make a lion like a Swiss army knife. Right. Again,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: this guy, this is the guy that's like, if it's
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: too complex, then God made it. So of course he
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: looks at a line and he's like, you know what?
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: That's kind of like a Swiss army knife with fur.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: Like that's sort of his approach on everything. So again,
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: And again, in my head, I'm like, so evolution, right?
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: And the whole point that they keep harping on this,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: I think, is because they're trying to explain that. no, no,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Noah could create a literal ark and actually put two
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: of every creature on that ark because he didn't have
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: to find two of every type of cat. He just
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: had to find two cats. And then he knew that
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: after the ark landed, those two cats would go off
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: and make animals. you know, all of the different variety
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: of cats and lions that are out there. Then we
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: go and talk to an astronomer. So, okay, we don't
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: have to worry about Noah's Ark anymore. And the astronomer
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: also is like pointing out the own holes in these
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Genesis theories. And he says that, and I like this,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: this is probably one of my favorite parts of this documentary.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: He goes, We know about the Andromeda galaxy and the
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Andromeda galaxy is like over 2 million light years away. Right?
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: So that a light year, meaning for anyone in the
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: back that didn't pay attention to school, but a light
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: year is basically how long it takes for light to
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: travel through for you to be able to see it.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: So if, if it's 2 million light years away, then
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: it literally means that it takes 2 million years for
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: the light that was emitted in this distance galaxy to
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: make its way to us. So the light that we
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: see from Andromeda is millions of years old. So he's
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: saying like, okay, If Earth is only 6,000 years old,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: according to Genesis, if you add up the birthdays of everybody,
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: then how could we see light from the Andromeda Galaxy
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: if the Andromeda Galaxy is millions of light years away?
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: And the guy does admit he does think that the
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Andromeda Galaxy does exist, A, and that, B, it really
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: is millions of light years away. So, therefore, he also
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: believes the light that we see from Andromeda is millions
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: of years old, B, And it's like, well, then how
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: does this work if the Earth is only 6,000 years old? Well,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: he's like, well, this is called the light travel problem.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: And the way that they answer this, and I've heard
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: this explained in detail, is that the speed of light
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: used to be faster. And they don't say how or why,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: or they don't say how. They say why is because...
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: God needed it quicker for creation. So in those first
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: six days when God is creating everything, he needed light
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: to travel faster so he could get more done in
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: a day. So even though there's only 24 hours in
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: those first six days, light is traveling so much faster
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: than it travels now so he could get more done,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: which is like you're almost just opened up 10,000 more
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: questions instead of answering just one for me.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that made it more confusing because I'm like, that
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: makes no sense to me. Now what, light is traveling
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: in 50 years? Like 100 years? Then they don't even explain.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, and then how do you know that?
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: If you're trying to prove everything scientifically and this is
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: history and we're trying to educate you and prove it all...
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: that your, your history is wrong. Your science is wrong.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: But then you're like, yeah, I traveled faster. I'm not
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: quite sure how or why, or I can't explain to
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: you any proof or evidence I can show. That's where
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: they lean on the faith. And I'm like, why don't
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: you just lean on the faith throughout the whole thing?
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: And then you can have a discussion instead of like
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: picking and choosing when you go, Oh, that's faith.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, not this time.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Cause I'm going to, I think I could disprove you
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: when to me, the, all the arguments they're making are
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: not disproving anything.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: This is a clear, the previous one and this one,
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: these are documentaries that you watch. If you already believe
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: the premise that they're trying to prove to you. And
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: what happens is that you watch this. You're like, yeah,
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: these are all such great points, man. I'm really solidified,
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: but I don't think anyone comes into this believing in
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: Genesis and walking away with the opposite or going in,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: not believing in Genesis and being like, you know what?
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: They completely changed my mind. Like they're just hitting the
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: same points you've heard a million times before. And I
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: think that's, And I guess it's soothing that the last
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: person that we end up talking to is a pastor.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: So he goes and he talks to this pastor on
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: his farm. And I'm expecting like, okay, let's see what
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: he's got to say about why Genesis is real and
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: what kind of like scientific evidence he's got to bring up.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Because all of the previous people we talked to, even
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: if they say stupid things like sharks used to be vegetarian, whatever,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: or that all cats turned into lions or something because
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: of the fall. Um, like, all right, what's, what's this
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: guy have to say? And he starts going off on
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: like sexuality and then like sexuality at a Genesis. Um,
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: and that like moral relativism. And I, I was totally
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: not expecting this guy to just start talking about like
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: the morality of sex. And I also was thinking like,
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: It's convenient that this documentary on Genesis where this guy
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: is basically saying like, you know, since God created Adam
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: and Eve, then that's it. It's Adam and Eve, not
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Adam and Steve. He basically is saying that, but by
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: not saying that. But it's like, man, you conveniently left
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: out the curse of Ham and what Ham did to
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Noah and the ten. And you're leaving out Lot's wife
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: turning into a pillar of salt. And you're leaving out
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Lot's daughters. Like, Lot's daughters getting him drunk and then
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: banging him and then having incestual sex with dad. That
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: doesn't get brought up in how sexuality and morality comes
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: out of Genesis, right? Or if they do, at least
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: also go into that part. Don't just mention Adam and
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Eve and then everything after that. Um, and I was
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: totally not expecting this to be the last leg of
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: this documentary. And all I could think of, like this
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: guy's kid is trans and he's just dedicated his entire
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: life to sort of explaining to the rest of the world,
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: like why his kid is going to hell. Hidden treasures,
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: overboard moments. I'll let you go first.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I'll say hidden. It was a little bit better.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: It was boring, the way they put it. But I
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: will say, I feel like they tried a little bit
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: to not be biased. They attempted to not let their
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: bias take over, which I'm sure is a difficult thing
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: in certain topics that you're really heavy in.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: It's hard to get over.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: So I would say they had some interesting facts, like
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: the triceratops thing was really good. I thought that some
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: of the questions they've asked, but they left so much
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: unanswered stuff. It was hard to say, but I, I
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: guess the hidden treasure to me is the, the hidden,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: the hidden treasure is the triceratops.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: I was waiting for you to say that.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Like, I thought that was just, it was the most
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: interesting part of the whole film where I'm like, dang, man,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: that still has like, I'm like, how come I haven't
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: heard about this?
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: I've heard nothing about this whatsoever. No news article.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that seems like something that we should explore.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Maybe that deserves a documentary. Cause I was like, dang,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: it still has like some bio that to me was
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: like the, but they.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Brushed over it.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: The rest is a lot, a lot of overboard for me.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: Triceratops, some of the other claims that were made in
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: here were sort of the hidden treasures. for me, the
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: biggest hidden treasures were like the overboard. It was like
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: these crazy statements that maybe I'm just so biased that
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: I can't get over my own like ignorance on this.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: But when they're saying that dinosaurs only had sharp teeth
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: and fangs because Adam ate the apple and that he
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: cursed dinosaurs and that he cursed sharks and then he
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: cursed lions. Um, but that lions actually came from one
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: animal and not all these others. But technically, um, If,
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: if there was only one cat that was on the
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: arc and then the arc lands and the cat gets
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: off and the cat turns into a lion, like, I
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: guess that lion still has the curse, even though it's
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: been forgiven because the floods over.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's, it does. It doesn't like. answer
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: everything cleanly as I expect it to. And man, let
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: me just say, we've watched two different documentaries. They're supposed
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: to cover all of Genesis. And there hasn't been a
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: single talk about the freaking Nephilim coming down and creating giants,
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: which is only chapter six. At least the first one
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: we watched, Paradise Lost, they are just Genesis chapter one.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: This one, they get into Genesis chapter one, chapter two,
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: they jump to chapter 10, they jump all over the place.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: but they conveniently don't get in the Genesis 6, which
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: is the freaking part about the Nephilim. Like, bro, if
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: you're putting together a documentary on Genesis and you don't
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: talk about the Nephilim, don't even talk to me. Like,
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: you're out of here. Instead of just sink or swim,
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: let me just ask you straight up. Is Genesis history?
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: It is not.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say all the way, not the way
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: that they did not sell me whatsoever. I was thinking
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: too about this film. They're put together.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Okay. It's a not documentary. It's old school documentary. Let's
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: go talk to a bunch of people. Let's see what
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: they got to say.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: I think they had some interesting points from time to time,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: but they don't go in detail. Like you said, time
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: and time again on Genesis, like don't even talk about
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Cain and Abel, no Abraham, like things that maybe you
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: could show improve as history that would maybe not have
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: your argument there you you put it in the title
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: is it history so i'm expecting you to prove to
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: me how it is history now i think it's harder
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: to prove the first couple chapters of the creation of
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: the earth which you attempted to do but then you
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: don't go and try to talk about cain and abel
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: the morality the different stories that are inside of the
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: book you decide to just focus in jump around where
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: you see fit, where you think it fits your narrative,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: and then you prove that evolution is real. So I'm
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: going to give this a sink all the way. They
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: did not prove to me that this is history. They
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: proved to me this is a sink.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah honestly the biggest thing for me man is like
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: if you're gonna talk about genesis and then leave out
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: all of the truly interesting parts but talk about it's
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: gonna be history don't leave out the freaking nephilim man
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: i'm here for the nephilim.
• 49:33
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