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Gary Jeff in for Brian Thomas · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Illegal aliens. Listen here, Land is on fire. No everything,
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  Speaker 1: you never know what's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Fifty five cares the talk station. Today. November fourteenth, among
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  Speaker 2: other things, is the seventy sixth birthday of one James
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  Speaker 2: Vincent Young, the only continuous member of the rock band
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  Speaker 2: Sticks from its inception. Let's crank up some blue collar mans.
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  Speaker 3: We've got Roland hears, just.
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  Speaker 2: A blue collar kid from the Chicago area. Was in
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  Speaker 2: a band called the Catalinas in the mid sixties where
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  Speaker 2: they were named the third place and it's something called
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  Speaker 2: the Best Teens in America competition. They went a hunt
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  Speaker 2: to travel to Europe and gained a little bit of variety.
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  Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy he joined a band called tw four,
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  Speaker 2: which later, as we know, became Sticks, and through every
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  Speaker 2: incarnation he's been a member of Styx. Heavy birthday to
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  Speaker 2: Jay James Young. Before we look at to look back
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  Speaker 2: at significant events and people tied to this particular data
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  Speaker 2: in history, including but not limited to these this date.
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  Speaker 2: In eighteen fifty one, the way Bill Herman Melville's novel
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  Speaker 2: Moby Dick, published in the United States eighteen eighty nine.
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  Speaker 2: Journalist Back when there were such things as actual journalists,
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  Speaker 2: you know who just reported facts and stuff. Named Nellie
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  Speaker 2: Bly began an attempt to travel round the world in
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  Speaker 2: eighty days. It's a thing that movies are made about,
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  Speaker 2: in fact have been. She successfully completed that journey in
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  Speaker 2: little more than seventy two days. Ships trains, no automobiles,
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  Speaker 2: but other means of transport as well. Nellie Bly began
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  Speaker 2: her journey on this date, November fourteenth, nineteen ten, Eugene
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  Speaker 2: b Eli became the first aviator to take off from
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  Speaker 2: a ship. Is Curtis Pusher biplane lifted off the deck.
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  Speaker 2: This is nineteen ten now of the USS Birmingham off
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  Speaker 2: Hampton Roads, Virginia. This flight by a civilian pilot marked
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  Speaker 2: the beginnings of naval aviation. During World War II, Germany
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  Speaker 2: bombed and destroyed much of the English city of Coventry.
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  Speaker 2: The year was nineteen forty. Flasha had twenty years to
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  Speaker 2: November fourteenth, and a six year old girl named Ruby Bridges,
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  Speaker 2: being escorted by federal marshals, became the first black child
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  Speaker 2: to desegrate. Desegregate rather an all white elementary school in
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  Speaker 2: New Orleans, Louisiana, nineteen sixty five. Our first known major
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  Speaker 2: military engagement of the Vietnam War began with the United
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  Speaker 2: States Army starting the Five Day Battle of Idrang in
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  Speaker 2: Southeast Asia. Apollo twelve blasted off for the Moon just
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  Speaker 2: three months after eleven became the first manned mission to
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  Speaker 2: land on it. The year was nineteen sixty nine. And
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  Speaker 2: you talk about things that movies are made of, legends
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  Speaker 2: are made of. It happened on this date in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: seventy a chartered Southern Airways plane crashed while trying to
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  Speaker 2: land in West Virginia, killed all seventy five people, including
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  Speaker 2: the Marshall University football team and its coaching staff. We
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  Speaker 2: are Marshall Clash of the Titans and all of that.
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  Speaker 2: This is kind of interesting and kind of funny actually
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  Speaker 2: by comparison with the stock market as we sit in
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  Speaker 2: November of twenty twenty five, and where it is the
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  Speaker 2: Dow Jones this date. In nineteen seventy two, the DJIA,
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  Speaker 2: the Dow Jones industrial average closed above one thousand for
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  Speaker 2: the first time one thousand. Where are we sitting at
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  Speaker 2: forty eight forty nine thousand today. Granted it's fifty three
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  Speaker 2: years later, but that was a big deal in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: seventy two. Another big deal on this date. In nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety three, Dolphins head coach Don Shula became the NFL's
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  Speaker 2: winning as coach beat the Philadelphia Eagles. He finished his
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  Speaker 2: thirty three year career in the National Football League with
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  Speaker 2: three hundred and forty seven victories, nineteen in the postseason,
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  Speaker 2: and of course that perfect season in nineteen seventy two
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  Speaker 2: with the Dolphins. Famous folks celebrating birthdays Besides j Y
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  Speaker 2: of Styx, Britain's King Charles the Third is seventy seven. Today,
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  Speaker 2: no kings in America, no matter what the mindless protesters
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  Speaker 2: say or think they got one. In Great Britain, Yanni
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  Speaker 2: is seventy one. The musician with the long flowing hair,
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  Speaker 2: five time Tour de France winner Bernard Hinault is seventy one.
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  Speaker 2: Basketball Hall of Famer Jack Sigma is seventy Anybody remember
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  Speaker 2: Jack Sigma. I think he played for Seattle the SuperSonics
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  Speaker 2: back when there was such a thing. Or I just
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  Speaker 2: but a great player, No doubt he's a Hall of Famer,
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  Speaker 2: but he's one of the names that gets omitted sometimes
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  Speaker 2: from the great players of his era. Never won an
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  Speaker 2: NBA Championship All Look who else is on the birthday list?
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  Speaker 2: Run of Run dmc rapper and Reverend Joseph Simmons turned
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  Speaker 2: sixty one, as is news anchor Bill Hammer, Cincinnati's own
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  Speaker 2: now the Fox News Channel anchor sixty one. Today, drummer
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  Speaker 2: Travis Barker of Blink one eighty two celebrates five ozho
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  Speaker 2: Rnessa Bayer, actress comedian is forty four, and tennis player
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  Speaker 2: Sophia Kennan or Keenan is twenty seven. If it's your birthday,
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  Speaker 2: I hope it's the best birthday you can possibly imagine
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  Speaker 2: and you get to spend it with family and friends,
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  Speaker 2: doing the things you love to do with the ones
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  Speaker 2: you love. Truly my wish for you, it's five thirteen.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get you going. We've got a lot of stuff today.
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  Speaker 2: And sometimes when the host says we've got a lot
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  Speaker 2: of stuff, well, I mean you have to have a
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  Speaker 2: lot of stuff to fill four hours. It doesn't mean
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  Speaker 2: it's good stuff. We got a lot of good stuff today,
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  Speaker 2: including Tom Caldwell. You'll want to know who he is,
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  Speaker 2: another survivor of the January sixth witch hunts, and his
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  Speaker 2: story is really different than a lot of other j
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  Speaker 2: six ers you may have heard from. Also have Adam
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  Speaker 2: Hardage talking about AI and how to protect our kids,
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  Speaker 2: the next generation from the effects of artificial intelligence. David Magik,
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  Speaker 2: who has done extensive research. It's another JFK book. How
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  Speaker 2: is it different from the others you may ask well,
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  Speaker 2: listen and find out. And coming up at the bottom
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  Speaker 2: of this hour, Vicky Lossandro, who was the president of
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  Speaker 2: Cincinnati's chapter of VCAS it's the Veteran Companible Companion Animal Services.
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  Speaker 2: Try to combine those two words, Veteran Companion Animal Services
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  Speaker 2: and it's really a unique charity what they're doing for veterans,
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  Speaker 2: what they're doing for shelter animals at the same time,
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  Speaker 2: and what they're attempting to do. And we'll talk about
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  Speaker 2: that effort and plenty more good stuff between now and
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  Speaker 2: nine o'clock. Gary Jeff Walker in for Brian Thomas on
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  Speaker 2: this Friday, November fourteenth. Great to be with you once again,
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  Speaker 2: and as always, if you're up and you're moving around
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  Speaker 2: and you've got something to talk about. Five, one, three, seven, four, nine,
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  Speaker 2: fifty five hundred is the number to get in touch,
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  Speaker 2: and I hope you do. It's the morning show. We
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  Speaker 2: continue in moments on fifty five KRC. The Talk station
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  Speaker 2: is your retire Sunday of fifty one. It's forty three
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  Speaker 2: now at fifty five KRC, the Talk Station five eighth
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  Speaker 2: TGIF and Carrie jeff In for BT. Another one of
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  Speaker 2: our gas leader is a historian, Mark Lee Gardner, who
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  Speaker 2: has actually been a lot of books written about the
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  Speaker 2: Old West, historical tomes, fiction and non This is a nonfiction,
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  Speaker 2: I would guess we'll find out later on this morning.
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  Speaker 2: It's called Brothers of the Gun. It's a dual biography
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  Speaker 2: of Wyatt Earth and Doc Holiday. Thanks to Joe Strecker
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  Speaker 2: for that, and thanks to Joe Strucker for showing up
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  Speaker 2: like he always does well. City Council in Cincinnati approving
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  Speaker 2: a new curfew zone for the short Vine area near
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  Speaker 2: UC's campus yesterday, targeting young people who've been causing safety
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  Speaker 2: concerns in the business. You mean the young minor criminals
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  Speaker 2: that are that are running around wreaking havoc, committing crime
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  Speaker 2: and making people afraid for their lives and their possessions.
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  Speaker 2: You mean that safety concerns. It was a unanimous vote
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  Speaker 2: and established a new curfew zone between Daniels and East
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  Speaker 2: Corry Street on Short Vine. The council members said that
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  Speaker 2: businesses and customers in that area need the restrictions. I
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  Speaker 2: love this. I love when anybody uses the phrase at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the day. And I always asked which
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  Speaker 2: day today, tomorrow, next week, sometime, Mika Owens cheeky Mika
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  Speaker 2: Owens said, at the end of the day, we want
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  Speaker 2: young people to be safe and when you were in
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  Speaker 2: space where you should not be, you should be home.
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  Speaker 2: Well duh. Now, I'm not one of those people who
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  Speaker 2: was going to consistently poo poo anything this council does,
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  Speaker 2: even though that's very easy to do, or the mayor.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they must be wildly supported. They got re
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  Speaker 2: elected again even in the midst of all the carnage
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  Speaker 2: of the last year or two on the streets of Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna, says too little,
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  Speaker 2: too late, not enough. How about actually effectively policing the
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  Speaker 2: areas in question instead of imposing curfews, Director of Public Safety.
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  Speaker 2: But we'll just wait and see, won't we. It's kind
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  Speaker 2: of like waiting for New York City to ultimately implode
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  Speaker 2: with a communists becoming the new mayor as of January first.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see, but we know what the reaction has been
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  Speaker 2: to this kind of government every time in the course
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  Speaker 2: of human history, and it ain't good. So we'll see
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  Speaker 2: if the new curfew restrictions. I mean, the city already
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  Speaker 2: had an eleven o'clock curfew for juveniles city wide. They
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  Speaker 2: reduced the hours to nine pm for a large portion
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  Speaker 2: of downtown, and now short Vine will see those same restrictions.
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  Speaker 2: Nine o'clock, get them off the streets. Anyone under eighteen
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  Speaker 2: who was not accompanied by a parent or guardian, the
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  Speaker 2: curfew requires them to go home before nine o'clock. According
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  Speaker 2: to Seth Walsh, in effect for high schoolers in below.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the intent there. Part of government is that
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  Speaker 2: we're constantly reacting to what we're seeing out there. How
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  Speaker 2: about being proactive instead of reactive. Right now, we're seeing
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  Speaker 2: a rise in criminal activity in the short Vine area.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully this is going to have an impact on that.
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  Speaker 2: And Joe Strecker mentioned what about the street over from
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  Speaker 2: short Vine. They'll just move them over there. Remember that
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  Speaker 2: brilliant plan, what was it to move the hookers out
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  Speaker 2: of Clifton? And they just went somewhere. They went to
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  Speaker 2: West Price Hill or something right across from Pete Woodie's place.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to impose these restrictions and this is going
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  Speaker 2: to make everything better. This is going to make public
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  Speaker 2: safety of priority. This is going to make citizens of
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  Speaker 2: Cincinnati and Short Vine a lot safer by imposing this
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  Speaker 2: curfew in these areas. Crime doesn't go away because you
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  Speaker 2: crack down in one place, It just moves. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: this is in reaction again the City of Cincinnati, the
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  Speaker 2: council being reactive instead of proactive and working on real solutions.
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  Speaker 2: There have been so many incidences of violent acts committed
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  Speaker 2: by young thugs in Cincinnati, like the shooting in that
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  Speaker 2: area Shortvine on Halloween night. Oh here's a surprise, you see.
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  Speaker 2: Safety director said Tuesday they have seen fourteen and fifteen
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  Speaker 2: year olds mingling with college aided students and adults along
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  Speaker 2: Short Vine. Well, that's nothing new. Fourteen and fifteen year
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  Speaker 2: olds have been known to mingle with college students for
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  Speaker 2: a long long time, but it didn't spark a crime spree.
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  Speaker 2: Let's the at East University in short Vine back in April,
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  Speaker 2: the story recalling a twenty five year old man allegedly
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  Speaker 2: shot and killed by a fifteen year old. Was that
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  Speaker 2: fifteen year old allegedly put on trial? Was he convicted?
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  Speaker 2: Was he allegedly incarcerated as he should have been for
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  Speaker 2: committing murder? Doesn't matter what the age is. Now, the
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  Speaker 2: teens who re fuse to go home can be transported
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  Speaker 2: to Seven Hills Curfew Center in the West End. Those
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  Speaker 2: who commit crimes while violating the curfew will be taken
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  Speaker 2: to the juvenile detention facility in Mount Auburn. How about
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  Speaker 2: a maximum security daycare? Some council members express concerns that
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  Speaker 2: the curfew might push young people to other areas. Will
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  Speaker 2: you think didn't we just mention that? But supporters said
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  Speaker 2: it's a good start to addressing safety issues of the district. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I'll leave this story with a big fat wheel, See
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't have. Let's say the odds in Vegas are
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  Speaker 2: not with the city's curfew. I mean, it's not looking good,
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  Speaker 2: but who knows. The magic bullet of the nine o'clock
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  Speaker 2: curfew is back in Cincinnati for those eighteen and under
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  Speaker 2: or under eighteen, And I'm sure the people who are
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  Speaker 2: engaging in criminal activity be whatever age they are are
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  Speaker 2: going to pay attention to the curfew like good little
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  Speaker 2: boys and girls. It's five twenty six, fifty five KRCD
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  Speaker 2: Talk Station. Vicki Lisandro from VCAS is up next.
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  Speaker 2: Forty three now at fifty five KRCV Talk States. It
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  Speaker 2: is wonderful once again to speak to Vickylessandro, who is
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  Speaker 2: the head. She is the head cheese man, she's the
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  Speaker 2: main girl at VCAS here in Cincinnati. And it's been
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  Speaker 2: a while since we first talked when they were just
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  Speaker 2: launching this incredible service for veterans. But it's Veterans Week
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  Speaker 2: and I want to do a check back in and
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  Speaker 2: see how the local chapter of the Veterans Companion Animal
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  Speaker 2: Service did I get it right? Yes, it was doing
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  Speaker 2: first and foremost Happy Veterans Week. How's it going? You said,
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  Speaker 2: you've been real busy.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Vicky, We've been very busy. I just want to
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  Speaker 4: take an opportunity to thank all the veterans for their
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  Speaker 4: service and their families for their sacrifices to and we've
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  Speaker 4: just we're very honored to be working with this group
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  Speaker 4: of people who've given so much and that we feel
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  Speaker 4: like we can give something back to them, to a
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  Speaker 4: companion animal.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, explain for people who did not hear the first
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  Speaker 2: couple of times when we spoke, uh, what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Vc A S does just just a mess.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. We basically rescue dogs from shelters and pair them
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  Speaker 4: with veterans who are who are struggling with PTSD anxiety depression, loneliness,
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  Speaker 4: and we we we provide them with a companion animal.
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  Speaker 4: Have found that animals can really just change.
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  Speaker 5: Your basically your whole outlook on life.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we've we've seen veterans who really come back.
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  Speaker 6: From from being.
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  Speaker 4: In service and struggling and kind of being at the
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  Speaker 4: lowest point in their life sometimes and they get an
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  Speaker 4: animal and it gives them a whole new purpose. So
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  Speaker 4: we are child to be able to do that for
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  Speaker 4: our service service and veterans.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And and uh, you also have have done some
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  Speaker 2: things with first responders as well, right, Vicky, No, right now.
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  Speaker 4: Strictly are just not yet We're strictly just working with veterans.
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  Speaker 2: That's fantastic. So it's a two pronged rescue because you
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  Speaker 2: are rescuing these shelter dogs, uh, and finding them homes
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  Speaker 2: and then explain, explain the process how it works so
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  Speaker 2: people understand what you do.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: We well, we've been doing some community outreach. We go
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  Speaker 4: to the VA once a month and when the veteran
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  Speaker 4: here's about our services. They sign up and let us
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  Speaker 4: say they're interested in a dog.
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  Speaker 6: We go through a series of steps.
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  Speaker 4: They fill out an application, They let us know what
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  Speaker 4: kind of dog.
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  Speaker 5: So we're very.
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  Speaker 6: You know, we work really closely.
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  Speaker 4: With the veterans to make sure that we're getting the
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  Speaker 4: kind of animal that they want, not just a dog,
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  Speaker 4: but if they need a really active dog or a
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  Speaker 4: lap dog, what size dog they want, what you know,
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  Speaker 4: long hair, short hair or whatever. So we then we're
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  Speaker 4: working with four agencies we have signed on right now
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  Speaker 4: for rescues to find that just that right dog. The
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  Speaker 4: dog goes into foster care for two to four weeks
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  Speaker 4: to decompress from the shelter situation, and once the veteran
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  Speaker 4: meets that dog and says that's my dog, we adopt.
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  Speaker 4: We pay all the fees, We give them the everything
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  Speaker 4: they need for the first year, vetting, leashes, dog bowls,
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  Speaker 4: We pay all the veterinary care for the first year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: so we basically cover so there's no cost at all
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  Speaker 4: to the vet for that first year, just to make
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  Speaker 4: that transition easier for them and the dog.
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  Speaker 2: How many dogs have you been able to play so far?
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  Speaker 2: Have you been able to place any dogs with veterans yet.
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  Speaker 4: VICKI, we were really close on one and it kind
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  Speaker 4: of fell through, and we're getting very close on the
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  Speaker 4: second one here. It's kind of a long process, and
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  Speaker 4: it's it's something that, like I said, we're as concerned
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  Speaker 4: about the dog getting in the right house if we
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  Speaker 4: are about the veteran getting the correct dog for them. Sure,
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  Speaker 4: So it's a process that you know, they may think
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  Speaker 4: that that's the right dog and do a meet and
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  Speaker 4: greet with the dog and say that's that's not going
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  Speaker 4: to work, or we're just not bonding and we will
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  Speaker 4: start over with that veteran.
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  Speaker 2: Then all right, you've got a fundraiser that you wanted
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  Speaker 2: to tell folks about. Tell me about this fundraiser.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, because we have a lot of costs involved with
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  Speaker 4: every dog that you know, for that whole first year recovering.
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  Speaker 4: We have an online auction going on right now. You
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  Speaker 4: can get to it through the v cost Facebook page
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  Speaker 4: or through v Costs Charity dot org, which is our
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  Speaker 4: web page, and we have about thirty five really nice
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  Speaker 4: baskets and bundles. We have a signed guitar by David
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  Speaker 4: Lee Rotha van Halen go. Yeah, so anybody who's a
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  Speaker 4: Van Halen fan, you need this. We've also done a calendar,
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  Speaker 4: just finished it up with some dogs of people we know,
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  Speaker 4: and we've got a veteran in there with her dog.
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  Speaker 4: And that's also a fundraiser for us, just to raise
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  Speaker 4: those funds, cover those costs, and get as many dogs
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  Speaker 4: as we can into those homes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're covering the costs pretty much for any
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  Speaker 2: veteran for one full year, that is not a lighthearted
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  Speaker 2: under taking that. That is a lot of expense and
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  Speaker 2: you need you need the backup. So how can people
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  Speaker 2: once again get involved with v c A S. I
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  Speaker 2: just thought it was the most wonderful thing in the
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  Speaker 2: world for veterans and for the dogs. And uh, if
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  Speaker 2: people want to donate, if people want to participate in
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  Speaker 2: the fundraiser again, how do they do that?
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  Speaker 4: They can go onto our website which is Veterans Oh
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  Speaker 4: my gosh, I'm totally blanking out, which is vcost Charity
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  Speaker 4: dot org. Okay, Or they can go to Facebook. There
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  Speaker 4: is a Veterans Companion Animal Services Facebook page. There's a
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  Speaker 4: link in there on that auction site. They can order
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  Speaker 4: calendars on the auction site if they're interested in getting
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  Speaker 4: a calendar. We're always in need of foster families, So
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  Speaker 4: so many ways it really that you can help us
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  Speaker 2: And it's VCAS or vodkas charity dot org. Yes, yes, okay, fantastic,
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  Speaker 2: Vicky Lessandro. I wish you great success, especially on Veterans Week.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get some dogs with some veterans and make both
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  Speaker 2: love it.
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  Speaker 4: We like to say we we rescue dogs to rescue vets.
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  Speaker 2: It's wonderful. Thank you, Vic.
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  Speaker 4: All right, all right, thank you, and thank you so
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  Speaker 4: much for your support.
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  Speaker 2: Take care, Ben, all right, we'll roll along here in
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  Speaker 2: just a moment on a on a Veterans Week just
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  Speaker 2: concluding fifty five, the talk station for the Claremont County
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  Speaker 2: of Veteran Service talked to good God Garry Jeff Walker
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  Speaker 2: for Brian Town. Yeah, David Lee Roth signed guitar that
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  Speaker 2: vcas is option? All right, man, I saw a video
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  Speaker 2: of David Lee rock. It's not good. I mean today,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: why is it? And listen, there's nothing wrong with old
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: rock stars, and truly I say this, there's nothing wrong
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: with aging lesbians. But why do these aging rock stars
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: look more and more, especially the glam rockers look more
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: and more like old women who enjoy rugby. They just
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: really do. And I'm not slamming rugby or lesbians or
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: old rock stars. Is saying they do look like we
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Kings protesters five one three seven fifty five hundred at
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  Speaker 2: five forty three. Long time listener and longtime caller Tom
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  Speaker 2: is back. Good morning Tom? How are you?
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  Speaker 7: Oh?
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  Speaker 8: Good morning Gary? Yeah? It's what do the kids say?
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: It's been a minute since since I talked to you.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: What it has because because Brian does not take enough
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: days off is the problem. I am always available, almost
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: always available for Joe Strucker to get you know through
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  Speaker 2: through the grinder and call me and say, hey, we
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: need you. It's an emergency. Could you please break the
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: glass and come in and here I am.
• 28:49
  Speaker 8: So when when Joe's number comes up on your phone,
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: you immediately answer and you just say yes, what, It
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: doesn't matter what the requests.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's pretty much it.
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  Speaker 5: Right on.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: He did ask if I could work this coming Monday,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: but I'm doing my own show on another station Monday,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: So it's just kind of like every once in a
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: while I'm too busy to answer the call. But usually
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: when Joe pulls my chain, the light comes.
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: On, right off, right off.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: So what's on your mind?
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: Well, first of all, when you started to show, you
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: were listing people's birthdays and events and stuff like that,
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: and you mentioned the lady that wrote the novel Around
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: the World in Eighty Days and reminding me of it.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Reminded it was Nellie Bly and she was she embarked
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: on her journey on this day.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, that's okay, And it reminded me of John Connette,
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: the comedian you remember him, Vegas, very heavy set guy,
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: and he did he had a bit where he did
• 29:50
  Speaker 8: Around the World in eighty buffets. I thought that was
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: pretty funny. And anybody gets a chance to watch, look
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: up John Connette, very very far any comedian. I think
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: he passed away in the late nineties or something like that,
• 30:03
  Speaker 8: but hilarious. The main reason I called is that people
• 30:07
  Speaker 8: are beating up on the old Chuck U Schumer and
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: because he wasn't able to maintain the shutdown any longer.
• 30:16
  Speaker 8: And and I obviously don't agree with probably anything he says,
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: and I'm definitely not defending the man, but what was
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: he supposed to do with the eight senators that decided
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: to cross the aisle? How is that? How is that
• 30:32
  Speaker 8: his fault? It's it's his fault that they got into
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: the shutdown to begin with. Now that's a reason for
• 30:38
  Speaker 8: his career to end. But because eight senators crossed the isle,
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: now they're gonna all the rest of the liberals are
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: going to blame him for that.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I think it's a lot like I hate to quote AOC,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: but AOC said it this week in the aftermath of
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: the government reopening. She said, the problem is bigger than
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: one man. This is part of the seed chain and
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: what used to be called the Democrat Party that's now
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: the Democrat socialist or communist party in this country, and
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: that is what it is transitioning into. Chuck Schumer does
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: not fit that mold. He's an establishment swamp guy. Well,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: you may not agree with any of what he says
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: or policies, or certainly the way he grills Burger's raw
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: with cheese on top. No, but you understand the old
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: guard is being pushed out by the Kamis. They have finally,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: they have finally usurped the Democrat Party and taken it over.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: And they being the likes of Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Casio Cortes,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: the Squad, the rest of the squad, and some of
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: these other socialist leaning senators. There are eight people that
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: voted to reopen the government who happen to have d's
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: in front of their name, who are in moderate districts.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: In other words, they're kind of like the last holdouts.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: And they're either retiring so they don't have to face reelection,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: or they're facing re election in a purple not a
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: deep blue or deep hammer and sickle state. So they
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: were worried about being This was all about who's going
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: to be re elected. It's all about it's all about power.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: It's not about the American people. They're supposed to work
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: for us, and and and they and they prove, they
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: prove time and time again that they're working for themselves
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: and they're working to retain and accumulate more power.
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: Right, and they're and they're working for the party.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah, all these guys, all these guys are supposed to
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: be working for the people in their district or their senders,
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: people in the state. And obviously they don't. And you know,
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: we could accuse Republicans of the same kind of crack.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Sure, they may not.
• 33:00
  Speaker 8: They may not do it for the same reason.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Except for except for Thomas Massey will have him this
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: morning at seven thirty.
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: Oh, I agree. And this is not a blanket statement
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: for every politician, but the vast majority of them. So
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: the problem with the Democrat Party is the Democrat Party
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: and because of the things that they come up with.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: And I'll I'll go, I'll go even farther, Tom, the
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: problem with the Democrat Party is that it simply does
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: not exist anymore.
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: Well, yeah, compared to what it used to be. I
• 33:31
  Speaker 8: wholeheartedly agree. I't I didn't necessarily agree with the old
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: Democrat Party either, but it's it's gotten way out of hand,
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: and it's it is a it is a serious, clear
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: and present danger to this country. Don't so for that
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: and many other reasons, don't vote Democrat.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Great, No, thank you, Tom. Don't worry about democracy, worry
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: about the Republic. It's five fifty five KRCV talk station
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: renew and refresh r S deep talk station. You know, generally,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: I have no problem with flags, unless, of course, they're
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: taking the place of the American flag, the stars and stripes.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: I love the American flag. People have all kinds of flags.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think that people should be protesting in this
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: country using flags from other countries, or protesting this country,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: say with their Pride flag, for example, as a protest
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: against the United States of America. Guy in Florida last
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: week was in a Starbucks. There was a Pride flag
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: up at Starbucks. Again, it's not my flag. I don't
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: care if I ever I saw another Pride flag in
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: my life, but it doesn't bother me. There's a Pride
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: flag up at Starbucks, of all places. This is in
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Saint Petersburg, Florida. But the man in question, Tucker Camp,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: aged thirty one, was arrested for tearing the Pride flag
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: off the wall at the Starbucks after throwing his tea
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: on the gay right symbol. And my message to Tucker,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: age thirty one is that's what they do, Tucker. That's
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: what the lbgt QIA E I e IO activists do.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: The militants, the trans militants, they engage in violence, they
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: engage in vandalism. We don't do that. I think Tucker
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: found out that and apologized. After being fired from his
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: job at the Dignity Memorial funeral home chain, Kyle Supported
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: told a Starbucks manager. Starbucks manager, he was offended by
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: the flag in the fact that they should put up
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: an American flag. You can be offended all you want, Tucker,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: but it's not your flag. You can't burn it, you
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: can't throw tea on it. It's in a place of business.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: We don't and should not behave that way as conservatives,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: as supporters of this country, as supporters of law and
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: order and the constitution, supporters of people like Charlie Kirk
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: who had his life violently taken from him by a
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: trans militant who engaged in violence, criminal activity, as they're
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: doing in Portland, Oregon, as they're doing in Broadview, Illinois,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: as they're doing in numerous cities around the country where
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump is trying to fulfill the campaign promise of
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: deporting the worst of the worst illegal criminals. The left
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: does that. The left engages in violence. We don't. Again,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: the rainbow is not my favorite symbol as far as
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: the Pride flag goes. But you can't go tearing up
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: somebody else's material just because you don't like it. Hmm.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: It's not the h And certainly as a Christian, I don't.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: I don't find that edifying at all. That didn't help anything,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: and you lost your job. Oh well, live and learn, can't.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Hecken Lively, who's written a new book about the government's
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: cover up of you or UFOs whatever they're calling them
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: these days, is coming up right after the top of
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  Speaker 1: Today's tough headlines coming up at Togo.
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  Speaker 1: It is RUE fifty five KRC, the Talk Station.
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  Speaker 2: Kent heck and Lively is a New York Times bestselling author, attorney,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: science teacher, and now he's exposing deep state cover ups
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: in the explosive new book Catastrophic Disclosure. The Deep State,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Aliens and the Truth. It will be out next Tuesday,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: on the eighteenth, and we're talking about it now. And
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: this coming on the heels of some pretty shocking congressional
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: hearing that happened in September, where to that point, never
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: before seen video showed a hellfire missile bouncing off of
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: a UFO off of Yemen's coast back in late October
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four and military whistleblowers testifying about retaliation
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: for reporting encounters with UFO's UAPs whatever you want to
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: call them. Again, this book will expose some government cover ups.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Why are they covering it up? What is being covered up?
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: And all of that yet to be fully answered. But Kent,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: great to have you on this show. Welcome, How are you.
• 39:35
  Speaker 9: I'm doing great, all right?
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: So number one, have you always had an interest in
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: this particular subject?
• 39:44
  Speaker 10: I have, you know, I think like most of the public,
• 39:47
  Speaker 10: I always have. But I always always say it's been
• 39:51
  Speaker 10: a recreational interest.
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 39:53
  Speaker 9: This is my twentieth book.
• 39:55
  Speaker 10: I've never done anything on the wild side like this,
• 39:59
  Speaker 10: anything paranori. So you know, I usually stick to science.
• 40:03
  Speaker 10: I usually stick to technology media. But like a lot
• 40:07
  Speaker 10: of the public, in the summer of twenty twenty three,
• 40:11
  Speaker 10: when David Grush appeared in front of Congress and said
• 40:15
  Speaker 10: some rather remarkable things along with some other military people,
• 40:19
  Speaker 10: David Fraber, Ryan Graves. I said to myself, what is
• 40:23
  Speaker 10: going on? Because I know what it takes to testify
• 40:26
  Speaker 10: in front of Congress. You are thoroughly vetted before you
• 40:30
  Speaker 10: appear in front of Congress. So these were legitimate people.
• 40:34
  Speaker 10: They were making claims that sounded wild, But I thought
• 40:39
  Speaker 10: I needed to get to the bottom of this story.
• 40:42
  Speaker 10: And I was really fortunate that one of my good
• 40:44
  Speaker 10: friends is Michael Mazzola, who's probably the world's leading UFO
• 40:49
  Speaker 10: documentary filmmaker. So I called him up and I said, Michael,
• 40:53
  Speaker 10: what is going on with this story? And he said, Ken,
• 40:56
  Speaker 10: I'm really glad you asked me about that, because we're
• 40:59
  Speaker 10: hearing behind the scenes that while the military and intelligence
• 41:04
  Speaker 10: services want to do a controlled disclosure about UFOs, they're
• 41:11
  Speaker 10: worried about something called catastrophic disclosure. And I thought, well,
• 41:17
  Speaker 10: you know, I'm trained as an attorney, so you know,
• 41:20
  Speaker 10: you go to court, you raise your right hand, you say,
• 41:22
  Speaker 10: I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and
• 41:24
  Speaker 10: nothing but the truth, and why is this subject different?
• 41:31
  Speaker 10: And he said, there's a lot that's happened behind the
• 41:33
  Speaker 10: scenes that they don't want to disclose.
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: And I thought, well, you.
• 41:38
  Speaker 10: Know, I've always got a nose for a good story,
• 41:42
  Speaker 10: and I thought, well, let me investigate, Congress, let me
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: talk to the leading experts in the field, people like
• 41:49
  Speaker 10: doctor Stephen Greer, people like Danny Sheehan, people like independent
• 41:53
  Speaker 10: journalist Michael Schollenberger.
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: And let me create a news story.
• 41:59
  Speaker 10: A reinterpretation of the UFO story in light of this
• 42:03
  Speaker 10: new information we've been learning.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Well, we've been fascinated with this, or many of us
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: for almost eighty years, going back to Roswell in nineteen
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: forty seven and the initial claim that the army that
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: a flying saucer had crashed out in the desert, and
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: then it was a weather balloon, and then there were
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: all kinds of stories that were either made up or
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: suppressed ever since. I mean, that kind of began the
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: nation's fascination with this that still exists to this day.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: And while the news about UFOs or UAPs, whatever you
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: want to call them, has not dominated the news headlines
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: like it did in other eras, it's starting to again
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: and it all came to light in this congressional hearing
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: back back in September of this year, right yeah.
• 43:04
  Speaker 10: And so you know, one of the people who I
• 43:06
  Speaker 10: really got to know very well in the writing of
• 43:08
  Speaker 10: Catastrophic Disclosure is Congressman Eric Berlison, who released that video
• 43:14
  Speaker 10: of the hellfire and missile going after the UFO off
• 43:17
  Speaker 10: the coast of Yemen. And you know, Eric and I
• 43:20
  Speaker 10: kind of have the same sort of approach to these things,
• 43:24
  Speaker 10: which is, I can't tell you what's true, but we
• 43:27
  Speaker 10: really have a good sense of when people are lying
• 43:29
  Speaker 10: to us.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 43:32
  Speaker 10: And you know, I really had a good time writing
• 43:35
  Speaker 10: this book trying to tell the narrative of UFOs, because
• 43:40
  Speaker 10: there are certain parts of the UFO story which didn't
• 43:43
  Speaker 10: make sense to me. Like I understood how people were
• 43:46
  Speaker 10: saying that the explosion of the first atomic bomb created
• 43:51
  Speaker 10: an interest in our species by these aliens, But I
• 43:55
  Speaker 10: was wondering to myself, Okay, I don't understand the Roswells
• 44:00
  Speaker 10: the Roswell story, because we blew up the first atomic
• 44:03
  Speaker 10: bomb in July fifteenth of nineteen forty five, right, and
• 44:08
  Speaker 10: it takes till July of forty seven for these craft
• 44:12
  Speaker 10: to show up, and that led me to a great
• 44:15
  Speaker 10: book by Jacques Valat and Paula Harris. Now your audience
• 44:19
  Speaker 10: will know Jacques Valai is one of the leading UFO experts,
• 44:23
  Speaker 10: but he claimed that there was a UFO crash earlier
• 44:25
  Speaker 10: than Roswell, basically one month after the explosion of the
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: first atomic bomb. It's called the Trinity Incident, and they
• 44:34
  Speaker 10: were just the crash UFO was discovered by two young
• 44:37
  Speaker 10: boys on horseback. And parts of the Roswell story didn't
• 44:40
  Speaker 10: make sense to me because when you read Roswell, it
• 44:43
  Speaker 10: seems like the military knew what they were doing with
• 44:46
  Speaker 10: crash retrieval. And you know, I'm a big you know,
• 44:52
  Speaker 10: I'm very interested in like organizational behavior, like how do
• 44:55
  Speaker 10: organizations respond to things? And as I was reading, I
• 45:00
  Speaker 10: was like, they know what they're doing. And when I
• 45:03
  Speaker 10: looked at the Trinity Incident, it was very much like
• 45:07
  Speaker 10: you would expect.
• 45:08
  Speaker 9: This is the first time they knew what was going on.
• 45:11
  Speaker 10: And what's really interesting about when you look at it
• 45:13
  Speaker 10: through that frame is we're the Japanese surrendered on August fifteenth,
• 45:20
  Speaker 10: nineteen forty five, and so I'm putting my mind in
• 45:24
  Speaker 10: myself in the mind of a World War two general.
• 45:27
  Speaker 10: You know, you go to bed on the night of
• 45:28
  Speaker 10: August fifteenth saying, Okay, this.
• 45:31
  Speaker 9: Brutal four year war is over.
• 45:33
  Speaker 10: And the next day you're going to work and your
• 45:35
  Speaker 10: adjutant comes up and says, hey, sir, we had something
• 45:38
  Speaker 10: crash in New Mexico.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: What is it?
• 45:41
  Speaker 9: Nazi? Is it? Is it Japanese?
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: No, sir, it's none of those.
• 45:45
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 45:46
  Speaker 10: Then kind of this cover up makes a lot of
• 45:49
  Speaker 10: sense to me because you're still in the World War
• 45:50
  Speaker 10: two mindset.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Well, we have all of these conspiracies that surround what
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: are alleged to be government cover up. So you can
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: go back, obviously to the jfk assassination, which still it
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: grips people to this day and people question the official story.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: And the UFO story is no different because it's gone
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: on and on and on with millions of people seeing
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: things that cannot be explained. And then you've got these
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: military members and whistleblowers who are claiming that they've had
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: retaliation against them for coming forward with information that the
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: top brass doesn't want the public to see.
• 46:35
  Speaker 10: Yeah, and I think that you're exactly right about that.
• 46:39
  Speaker 10: And like I say, I've never seen a UFO, no abduction.
• 46:43
  Speaker 9: Nothing like that.
• 46:44
  Speaker 10: But I can't talk about this subject with friends without like,
• 46:49
  Speaker 10: you know, one or two of them going, hey, I
• 46:51
  Speaker 10: had an incident, and you know, it's like, yeah, my
• 46:54
  Speaker 10: longtime editor, Max Swofford, I've been working with them for
• 46:58
  Speaker 10: eleven years, and saiday, I'm doing a UFO book Max,
• 47:02
  Speaker 10: you know, and he goes, oh, have I told you
• 47:04
  Speaker 10: about my UFO experience?
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: And it's like, this is.
• 47:06
  Speaker 10: Somebody I've known for fifteen twenty years and suddenly he's
• 47:11
  Speaker 10: talking about it. And I think all of us who
• 47:14
  Speaker 10: haven't seen anything have had the experience of people we
• 47:17
  Speaker 10: know and respect and trust telling us these stories, and
• 47:21
  Speaker 10: so we're curious.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Indeed, the book is catastrophic disclosure the deep State
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  Speaker 2: Aliens in the Truth. The author our guest Kent Heck
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  Speaker 2: and Lively, and the book is out on Tuesday on
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  Speaker 2: post Till Press. I wish you great success with the book, Kent,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: thanks for coming on. Thanks lot carry you bet. We'll
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  Speaker 2: continue in moments.
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  Speaker 1: This is Ted Cruz. Join me Sunday night at seven pm.
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  Speaker 10: On fifteen Highway Chuck Ingram on fifty five kr SE
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  Speaker 10: the talk station.
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  Speaker 2: It is nineteen minutes past the hour on this Friday morning.
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  Speaker 2: Gary Jeffen for Brian Thomas, I'm fifty five to RCV
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  Speaker 2: talk station to claim five nine fIF If you were
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: one of the people who accused Kroger in particular price
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  Speaker 2: gouging during the scam demic, the COVID scam demic, maybe
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: it wasn't Kroger and you were shopping at Kroger, but
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: many people, especially at the height of the scam demic,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: found it hard to get ahead of let us at Kroger. Uh.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: This is a story, of course, said the former Kroger buyer.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Pleading guilty to produce kickback schemes. Forty year old Mark
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: dis Bennett from Westchester pleaded guilty to charges related to
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: a kickback scheme that caused consumers to pay high prices
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: higher prices for produce. This is how it worked. Was
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: trying to understand this. I think I finally got a
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: handle on it. He was accused of disclosing to co
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: conspirator produce vendors the absolute highest price Kroker was willing
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: to pay for certain produce, so they could jack up
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: up to that level, even though they could have made
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: a profit. At a lower level, but not that kind
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: of profit, and so the prices for consumers on certain
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: produce items skyrocketed and dispent it. According to what they discovered,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Dispenant received more than one hundred and forty seven thousand
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: in kickback payments from the vendors. Pretty ingenious. I wonder
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: who's behind the price hikes in beef. That is a
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: multi layered kind of reason for beef prices being so
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: darn But we know about the produce. Now, why has
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: that salary costing me three dollars? It was this dude,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: It wasn't Kroger. He was the third party buyer for Kroger. Well,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: you know the ingenious thinking behind and inviting Ohio State
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Highway Patrol into Cincinnati to help with law enforcement, mostly
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: traffic enforcement. It's paid off with twenty three felony arrests
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: so far since the middle of September. Yeah, that they
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: conducted five joint operations with Cincinnati police over five days,
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: had the helicopters up State troopers out in full force,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: and they made twenty three felony arrests. When I heard
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: that they were going to be helping traffic enforcement in
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati to alleviate crime. I didn't know quite how that
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: was going to work, but apparently it worked pretty well
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: if they're making almost two dozen felony arrests in five
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: days time in five different operations. The police union passed
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: to vote of no confidence in Mayor purevol who sadly
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: the citizens of Cincinnati gave him the vote of confidence
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: and the votes at the ballot box. Just a week
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: and a half ago, the police chief, Theresa Thiji, placed
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: on leave. There's an interim chief and according to sources
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: the CPD, the police department continues to struggle with staffing.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: According to the police union president Ken Kober, the department
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  Speaker 2: has nine hundred and ten officers right now. The authorized
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: compliment is oney fifty nine, so they're down fourteen percent.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: So as part of the solution to this, Governor Downe
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: offered for the Estate Patrol to come down to Cincinnati
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: for two days to conduct these joint operations. Officials said
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: from the beginning that residents would not be seeing large
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: numbers of state troopers on the streets. Officials said they
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: target known to armed offenders. You know, and here's the
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: thing about the criminals, and if you ask a law
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: enforcement officer. You ask a cop, he will tell you.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: We know exactly who's committing the crime. We've arrested them
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: to no avail many times because of the revolving doors
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  Speaker 2: or in the criminal justice system and liberal judges. The
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: fact is this partnership was launched and they were going
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: to target known armed defenders, which wasn't that hard to
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  Speaker 2: do because the same finite number of people commit the
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: same crimes and different crimes, felonious, heinous crimes, over and
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: over and over again. The police know who they are.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Many cases, they know exactly where they are, and they
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: find themselves handcuffed for lack of a better term, to
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: exact justice and to ensure the safety of the public.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: So when they started this out, a memo related to
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  Speaker 2: the partnership said there was a desire to focus on
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: large drug seizures, organized crime, drug trafficking, firearms trafficking, drug
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: related violent crimes. The Highway Patrol has not highlighted many
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: arrests to fit that description. So the Ohio State Highway
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Patrol has reported twenty three felony arrest as the article mentions,
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: served seven felony warrants, which means they arrested seven people
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: who were committing crimes before prior crimes. Among those were
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: two juveniles, a thirteen year old who fled from police
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: in a stolen car and caused a crash, and a
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: fifteen year old found with a gun one of them.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: The other the adults that were arrested pulled over for
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: traffic violation found to have two felony strangulation warrants. A
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: guy you don't want on the streets. Somebody who was
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: located using the Highway Patrols helicopter during an investigation into
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: the assault on a police officer. He's charged with assault
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: on an officer, robbery and resisting arrest. Somebody else who
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: has stopped for multiple traffic violations. The troopers said. He
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: was found with a weapon, charged with operating under the
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: influence and improperly handling the gun. And it goes on
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: and on and on. All the cases still working their
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: way through the courts, and we'll see what the ultimate
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: outcomes of those are. If proven guilty, are they going
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: to jail for any length of time. But it's the
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: same people over and over and over again. Most of
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: the time. Not a lot of newbies, except maybe the
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: thirteen year old and the fifteen year old, but they're
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: just in training, as they say, six twenty seven. Coming
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: up next Adam Hardage, who has written a new book
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: called The Alpha Blueprint on how to prepare the next
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  Speaker 2: generation for the great wave of AI that's about to
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: sweep over all of us. As we continue this morning
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: on fifty five KOC the talk station, Adam Hartage is
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: joining us now. Adam is an ex CIA ops officer,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: as I just mentioned, and has written a book called
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: The Alpha Blueprint. It is out now. It is selling well.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: And if you want to know the real inner workings
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: of how our intelligence agencies, particularly the CIA, led by
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: John Brennan, tried to totally take down a president and
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: the country and he's he I wouldn't say he knows
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: where the bodies are buried, but he knows who's had
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: their hands on the shovels Adam Hartage, Welcome to the show.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: How are you?
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  Speaker 9: I'm well sure, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: Great here the Alpha blue Print. But what is the
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: gist of this tone sir?
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, so it is a father's guide to the next
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  Speaker 11: generation on how to prepare them for entering a world
• 57:11
  Speaker 11: driven by AI, where it is almost impossible to discern
• 57:16
  Speaker 11: truth from fiction and where AI has an essence democratized
• 57:22
  Speaker 11: PhD level of intelligence worldwide for about twenty bucks a month.
• 57:26
  Speaker 11: So it's a guide for the next generation on how
• 57:31
  Speaker 11: to maintain their own individuality, to find their God given
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  Speaker 11: purpose in life, and to stay relevant in a world
• 57:38
  Speaker 11: that's trying.
• 57:38
  Speaker 9: To make them a copy of a copy.
• 57:41
  Speaker 11: So it's a love letter from a father to the
• 57:43
  Speaker 11: next generation. And it's designed for families to step into
• 57:49
  Speaker 11: this most difficult conversation where parents are trying to figure
• 57:52
  Speaker 11: out how to guide their kids into a.
• 57:56
  Speaker 9: World where jobs are going.
• 57:58
  Speaker 11: To be going away faster then they can probably change
• 58:02
  Speaker 11: their college majors.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: So, well, how does this tie in to what you
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: call the security state aristocracy?
• 58:11
  Speaker 11: And yeah, Well, so I look at the world through
• 58:17
  Speaker 11: a bit of a jaundice lens because I was a
• 58:19
  Speaker 11: military officer.
• 58:20
  Speaker 9: In the Global War on Terror era.
• 58:24
  Speaker 11: So I was I graduated from the Air Force Academy
• 58:26
  Speaker 11: in nineteen ninety seven and then as Air Force guide
• 58:28
  Speaker 11: and then I went over to the Army Special Forces
• 58:30
  Speaker 11: and then got picked up by the intelligence community to
• 58:34
  Speaker 11: go be a clandestine operations officer. And so I've served
• 58:37
  Speaker 11: in four Wars, and I've been around the world quite
• 58:40
  Speaker 11: a bit and I speak a few languages, and it's
• 58:42
  Speaker 11: really colored my perception of reality.
• 58:45
  Speaker 9: And the world.
• 58:47
  Speaker 11: And when I look at the emerging technology of AI.
• 58:50
  Speaker 9: It makes the ability.
• 58:52
  Speaker 11: To deceive people and to hide the truth very, very easy.
• 58:58
  Speaker 9: And so I'm trying to arm the next generation with.
• 59:02
  Speaker 11: The abilities to see through the lies and to come
• 59:05
  Speaker 11: up with some real practical steps that they can have
• 59:08
  Speaker 11: and that their parents can give them to maintain, you know,
• 59:12
  Speaker 11: sanity in a frankly.
• 59:14
  Speaker 9: Insane, upside down world. And this relates to the deep
• 59:17
  Speaker 9: state and.
• 59:18
  Speaker 11: To the to the greater security architecture that we've seen
• 59:22
  Speaker 11: around the world, because if you just look at the
• 59:25
  Speaker 11: lie that was COVID, and I'm not saying that COVID
• 59:28
  Speaker 11: was not an actual disease.
• 59:29
  Speaker 9: I'm not saying that it did not exist. What I'm
• 59:31
  Speaker 9: saying is.
• 59:33
  Speaker 11: The coordinated global response to the disease, to the pandemic
• 59:37
  Speaker 11: is what people should be paying attention to, because that
• 59:40
  Speaker 11: was a globally coordinated information operation simply designed to take
• 59:44
  Speaker 11: down a sitting president Well and.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: And Well and Adam when they come out. And there
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: are alternate views of treatment and all of that is
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: censored and people are losing their medical practice. This is
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: because they're saying, you know, no, you shouldn't be. You
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be you know, innovating people at this rate, there
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: are other treatments besides just incarcerating people in hospital rooms
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: and letting them die and there. You know, there are
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: so many things about that whole period of time that
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: I railed against without the Afoor knowledge.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 11: Yeah, let's talk about that, because at the time running
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 11: I was, I had actually been fired by the CIA
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 11: in twenty seventeen after Director Brennan came into the station
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 11: and basically told us that we didn't need to listen
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 11: to the incoming President Trump forty five. And I lost
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 11: my mind and raised holy hell about that because it's
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 11: a it's against the oath of office.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 9: B it's unconstitutional. There's a whole lot of problems that
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 9: I had with it.
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  Speaker 11: Any rate, I was kind of shown the door by
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 11: the agency that and for another thing about that had
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 11: to do with the very program that Director of National
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 11: Intelligence Tulcy Gabbert discussed at her confirmation hearing, which inquiring
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 11: minds want to know they can go back and watch
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 11: her confirmation hearing.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 9: I know that we're limited on time, so I'll move on,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 9: but I will say that.
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  Speaker 11: So I started running a telehealth company in twenty seventeen,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 11: and when the pandemic hit.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 9: We saw very quickly that they that the government was
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 9: forcibly removing.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 11: Evidence and healthcare providers that were trying to provide known
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 11: therapeutic treatment that would that would either cure or correct
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 11: the disease that I mean, we're talking about the hydroxychloroquin
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 11: and ivermac no multi vitamins I had.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: I had those healthcare professionals on the air at the time,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: and thankfully I was allowed to, you know, have them
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: on disseminate that information. But it was roundly poo pooed
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: by all the establishment sources, and you know, I was
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: I was regarded by people I even worked with as
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: some kind of kook because I wasn't adhering to the narrative.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 11: Yeah, listen to this, and that's I go into this
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 11: in the book a lot too, because I'm trying to
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 11: help kids figure out how to discern truth and understand
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 11: when they're.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 9: Being manipulated and lied to. So check this out.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 11: When I went on national news and I called the
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 11: pandemic for what it was, and I was immediately canceled.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 11: Our company was ultimately destroyed. But I mean when I
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 11: say canceled, like we could not run ads on Google.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 11: I was banned from Facebook, from Twitter, from Instagram. We
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 11: lost our corporate insurance, We lost all of our contracts
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 11: with the Defense Department, of which we had already won
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 11: a dozen contracts.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 9: We lost them all. We lost our corporate insurance, we
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 9: lost the ability process credit cards twice, we.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 11: Were deplatformed across every single thing. But the most amazing
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 11: part of it all was how reality could change faster
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 11: then we could even respond to it as a company.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 9: And this was before the advent of AI. Right now,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 9: we live in a.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 11: World which is hyper hyper hyper informationally skewable, if you will.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 9: And it's become very very difficult for people to even
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 9: know what is real or which way is up.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 11: So that is why I wrote this book, The Alpha Blueprint,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 11: and I highly recommend everyone get a copy of it,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 11: because this is a conversation that every parent needs to
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 11: be having with their kids, like how are you what are.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 8: You going to do?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Mom?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: And dad?
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 9: You know, my daughter is ten years old, my son
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 9: is seven years old. What am I going to tell them?
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 11: Go get a fortune five hundred job and work for
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 11: thirty years and expect that Medicare and Social Security are going.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 9: To be there for you.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 11: I don't think that world exists anymore. And so since
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 11: AI is replacing jobs faster, then.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 9: They can even create manuals to tell the robots what
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 9: to do.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 11: People have to figure out how to find their divine
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 11: spark and how to really stay real in a world
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 11: that is trying to make anything but real.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Very scary stuff, and I'm glad that there's somebody out
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: there shining a light and warning people and letting people
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: know that there's another way. Adam Hartage is that guy.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: The book is the Alpha Blueprint. It's out now, right, Adam.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it's out and now it's on Amazon dot com.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 11: And I want to give a shout out to General Flynn,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 11: America's General mild boss, who was kind enough to write
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 11: the forward for the book and endorse it.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 9: So if anybody's wondering about either the credibility of the
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 9: book or the.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 11: Information that's in there, General Flynn should put their mind
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 11: at ease. So you know, I love God, I love America,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 11: I love freedom and the truth. And that's what I
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 11: stand for and I will fight for it while I
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 11: have breath in my lungs.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: Amen. Brother, thank you so much.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 9: Absolutely, thank you for your time. I appreciate it.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: And God bless God, bless you again. That's Adam Hartage.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: The book The Alpha blue Print, something that you need
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: to look at and pass along to the next generation.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Fifty five KRC.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: I knew it was a bomb, the second nature. So
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: the question this morning is how is your Atlantic meridianal
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: overturning circulation or AMOC? And last time I checked, mine
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: was fine. But according to a new study published in
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: a journal known as the Communications Earth and Environment and
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Apocalyptic Prediction, Yeah, here's another climate change is going to
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: end the Earth as we know it. A key Atlantic current,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: the Gulf Stream, which is the actually the scientific name
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: is the Atlantic meridianal overturning circulation. I bet you fit
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: that into a sentence today. A key Atlantic current, the
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: Gulf Stream, could be pushed to the brink of collapse
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: within decades, ushering in a new ice age and dramatically
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: raising sea levels. How many times have we heard the
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: predictions of doom and gloom and dire environmental results because
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: of climate change. There was a collaboration between researchers at
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: the Institute of Oceanology in the Chinese Academy of Sciences
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: and the University of California, San Diego, and the current
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: it includes the Gulf Stream runs from the Gulf of
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Mexico to the US East Coast and across the Atlantic
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: to Europe. This study or this research says that the
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: source of this marine temperature regulator, the Greenland Ice Sheet,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: is being thought amid warming temperatures, causing meltwater runoff to
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: lead or leach into the North Atlantic, leading to stagnation.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: And if none of this is alarming you yet, well
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: you've learned, haven't you.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: You.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: We have all been through the wood chipper of climate
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: alarmism so many times. It's the boy who cried wolf syndrome,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: and most of us who have any sense at all
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: aren't listening anymore because there's always flawed data. It's either
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: going to be boiling or we're going to go into
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: a new ice age. They've been making these wild predictions
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: ever since the early nineteen seventies when we were headed
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: for a new ice age, and then it was all
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: about gloom of warming, and they had certain certain years
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: this was gonna happen within the next twelve years. If
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: we don't, even if we do something drastic, this is
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: gonna happen by twenty twenty or twenty ten or nineteen
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: seventy five. It's just it's such a joke, and it
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: all revolves around the paid for claim that man's activity
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: and fossil fuels are fueling climate change. What has always
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: happened on this earth And some of the people who
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: are still falling for this nonsense will tell you, yeah,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: but it's never happened this fast. Really, what about the
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: mini ice age in the seventeen hundreds. It happened pretty fast.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: So apparently there's a distinctive temperature fingerprint, according to this study,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: located between three two and eighty to over a mile
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: six fifty sixty sixty five sixty feet below the ocean's surface.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: So anyway, the AMOC, the Atlantic Ma Dianal overturning circulation
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: is changing and we all need to put up windmills.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: Whoever is paying for this is dictating the data and
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: the computer modeling that spits out the false data. Most
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: of us have learned to ignore, but this is the latest.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: Just so you know, I'm worried that my amok has
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: run amock six forty eight fifty five KRC the talk station.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: This is the time of the year most of us
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: are checking off. There is this report out and this
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: is not new information. Apparently I didn't notice the story
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: last year. For the second straight year, about one in
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: five Americans said they would like to leave the US
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: and move permanently to another country if they could. In
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, the year of Our Lord, forty percent
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  Speaker 2: of women age fifteen to forty four said they would
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: move abroad permanently if they had the opportunity, four times
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: higher than the ten percent who shared this desire eleven
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: years ago in twenty fourteen, which shod that was usually
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: in line with other age and gender groups. I have
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: never had the desire to go to another country, and
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: as a result, as a matter of fact, I've never
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  Speaker 2: been to another country. I mean, there are places I'd
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  Speaker 2: like to see, but you know, I watched the Travel
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Channel when they don't have some stupid paranormal thing on,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: you know, so I can travel vicariously. Loved watching Anthony
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: Bourdain and is no reservations going to distant lands, eating
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: exotic food, and seeing the sights of a beautiful beach
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: or a volcano or whatever he was visiting at the time.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: That's about the extent of my travelogue. I like the
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: good old us of a But apparently there's been a
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: sharp rise, especially in younger women wanting to leave the
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  Speaker 2: United States. And I'm going to say something that not
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  Speaker 2: going to get me in trouble at my age, because
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, unless it's a daughter or a granddaughter, I
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  Speaker 2: have no interest in younger women. My wife is listening,
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  Speaker 2: she'll be glad to know this. And she is a
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: younger woman. I mean she's not fifteen to forty four,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: but she's younger than me. That's as young as I
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  Speaker 2: need to get right there. So I mean, if a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of gen Z women left the country, the result,
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  Speaker 2: the effect for me would be the same thing as
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: Rosie O'Donnell leaving the country or or whomever sizza. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if they want to go, go, but if they think
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: that there's a place that's better on the globe for
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: personal aspiration, for opportunity, for happiness, well they've been misled
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  Speaker 2: by tik Tok and Taylor Swift. That's all I got
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  Speaker 2: to say about that. It's six fifty five. Coming up
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  Speaker 2: after the news break, we'll have Tom Caldwell. Tom Caldwell
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  Speaker 2: is a January sixth survivor. No, he wasn't part of
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: the DC Metropolice or in Congress, and know he did
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: not commit any violent acts and yet still spent fifty
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  Speaker 2: days in solitary confinement and his life was ruined all
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: because he was a supporter of President Trump. His story
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: slightly varies from other people who are arrested at the
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Capitol that day, and he will tell a portion of
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  Speaker 2: it and plug his book right after seven o'clock Gary
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Walker and for Brian Thomas at six fifty six
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  Speaker 2: at fifty five KRC, the talk station.
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  Speaker 1: Today's top headlines coming up at the top of the hour.
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  Speaker 2: It's a conversation with the decorated Navy Lieutenant Commander Thomas E.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: Called Well, a man in his sixties, disabled VET living
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: peacefully on his Virginia farm when the FBI executed a
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: pre don swat raid. What were the charges against Tom
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: called Well? That he was a leader of the oath
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  Speaker 2: keepers who stormed the Capitol and hunted down members of
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: Congress on January sixth. Tom was never a member of
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: the oath Keepers. He never entered the Capitol, he never
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: planned an attack. The government has admitted in the aftermath
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: of all of this that this didn't happen, but not
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: before Tom spent over fifty days in solitary confinement endeared
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: e years of prosecution and persecution. He has a book
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: he says he started writing it the day he got
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: out of solitary confinement, called The Mouths of the Wicked,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: a true January sixth story of corruption, persecution, survival and victory.
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  Speaker 2: It is out now and we have its author. Lieutenant Commander.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Nightcap.
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  Speaker 6: How are you, Thank you, mister Walker. It's a pleasure
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 6: to be with you and Sharon and I here in
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 6: our humble place in the valley of Virginia. Are just
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 6: fine and dandy, all right?
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, first and foremost, what did you think about your
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: governor's race that just concluded?
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm disappointing here in Virginia. And if people look
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 6: at a map of Virginia, they'll see so much of
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: this beautiful state is solidly conservative and Christian conservative. Accept
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 6: in places where you would expect a concentration of people
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: on the grift and on the government goal in Fairfax,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 6: all church right across the Potomac from DC. This is
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 6: a it's a rough time because the incoming governor has
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 6: made it clear that she's anti gun, she's pro abortion,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 6: she's anti women's rights, pro men in little girl's locker rooms.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 6: It seems like the devil has the people by the
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: throat in Virginia.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we are still living in that world. We're living
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  Speaker 2: in a fallen world, but we know how it ends ultimately,
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  Speaker 2: and that's the positive thing that we can grab a
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  Speaker 2: hold of.
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  Speaker 6: Correct Indeed, indeed, and I'll tell you, as you well
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  Speaker 6: know and your listeners will be interested to know, my
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 6: story is very different the story of any other January
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 6: sixth defendant that you've ever heard from. Even if people
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 6: think that they know something about my case because they
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 6: did a Google search, I can tell you that all
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 6: they have seen is stuff that is totally false, invented
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 6: by the prosecutors, and most of the time blown away
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 6: during a ten and a half week jury trial that
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 6: I was subjected to. In the book, I talk about
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 6: things that have been actively kept away from the American public.
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  Speaker 6: As you pointed out, I didn't do anything on January sixth.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 6: In fact, my wife and I were together every moment
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 6: of the day. We went only to hear President Trump
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 6: give his last address, and also to hear a myriad
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 6: of other conservative and Christian speakers who were scheduled to
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 6: appear that day and talk to the crowd. The FBI
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 6: did zero investigation on me before they sent the SWAT
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 6: team here. And when Sharon was able to get a
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 6: lawyer who wanted to help a January sixth defendant, after
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 6: she came up with a six figure retainer for the guy,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 6: and I'm looking at him through bulletproof last in my
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 6: solitary confinement dungeon chain handed book. He looked at me
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 6: and he said, you know, Tom, the DOJ knows you're innocent,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 6: but they don't care. Now that's chilling.
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  Speaker 2: How do you think you got on this list of theirs? Tom?
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  Speaker 6: I am a member of the Oath Keepers, who, as
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 6: you are well aware, are not a white supremacist group.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 6: They are a community activist group that helps in times
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 6: of natural disasters. During the summer of twenty twenty, they
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 6: came to start doing some security work for conservative and
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 6: Christian speakers who are being attacked by Antifa, especially in Washington, DC.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 6: Most of the oath Keepers are veterans, of course, and
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 6: I met one, actually, a young lady who had served
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 6: with a Ranger battalion in the Sandbox in Afghanistan, the
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 6: kind of person I have a lot of respect for,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 6: and being an old guy, and I said, you know
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 6: what it says at Romans twelve, we're supposed to practice hospitality.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 6: If you ever get broken down in DC, give a call.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 6: Our farm is not that far away. And she walked
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  Speaker 6: away with my phone phone number in her phone and
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 6: my first name, but she couldn't even remember my last name.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 6: That's how casual our meeting had been. But she remembered,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 6: and she did what many veterans do. They refer to
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 6: each other by the rank that they held on active duties.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 6: So sure enough, in her phone, the listing became Commander
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 6: Tom because I was a lieutenant commander.
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  Speaker 7: In the NAB.
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  Speaker 6: When they they flashbanged her apartment a week or so
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: after January sixth, only because she was a member of
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: the Oathkeepers, they scooped up her phone and mister Walker
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 6: within two hours of getting her phone, an FBI special
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 6: agent had a Federal judge's signature on a warrant for
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 6: my arrest as Commander Tom, the commander of the oath
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 6: keepers and the mastermind of January sixth.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: You were a lieutenant commander in the navy. But because
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: she wrote Commander Tom, apparently you're the one who's who's
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: making all the calls and planning whatever that they concocted,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: that they dreamed up or they lied about. What did
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: the FBI tell you, if anything, on the morning of
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: the swat rate on your farm? What did they say?
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 6: Well, I submitted to a three hour interrogation. Some would
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: call it a gestapo grilling because I didn't have anything
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 6: to hide, and during that time they accused me of
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 6: doing this and that. And yet they had scraped all
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 6: of the pictures that I had taken off, you know,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 6: on January sixth. They were all on my phone. My
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 6: wife and I took over two hundred photos, sometimes crowd shots,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 6: sometimes selfies, videos, and we went through them and they
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 6: were accusing me of all this twaddle, and I said,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 6: can you show me any violence here? Can you show
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 6: what part of the day are you talking about. It
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 6: got to the point where they knew they had made
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 6: a mistake. And they were busy, and they were texting
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 6: the Department of Justice saying and what do he want
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 6: us to do with this guy? But the Department of
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 6: Justice was still hard over. One of the things that
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 6: really bugged me during that interrogation was to find that
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 6: the hatred for veterans, of course I did almost twenty
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 6: years day per day on active duty in the Naty,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 6: was palpable. They said, well, you know, you military people,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 6: you just kill people. You're just a violent bunch of people.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 6: Then they got into the well, I guess you're sorry
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 6: that you supported President Trump. Now, huh. All of this
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 6: stuff is recorded in the transcripts of the video that
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 6: they surreptitiously took of my three hour interrogation. I'm telling you,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 6: there's so much stuff here in this book, mister Walker.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 6: People are going to say, what are.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 7: You kidding me?
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 6: And I will tell you this is not a woe
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 6: is Knee story, and it's not a revenge story. But
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 6: I wanted to share my wife and my story and
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 6: what I hope readers will finally be a compelling a
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 6: first person style. I think people sometimes do read books
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 6: nowadays if they're different and there's a real story and
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 6: I'll tell you what. As an intelligence officer by trade
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 6: and training, you better know that I bring the receipts
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 6: and I expose a multi agency plot. There's intrigues, fear, pain,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 6: courtroom stuff, stuff will make you laugh out loud, and
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 6: miracles provided by the Lord. Because in the final analysis,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 6: during this entire time in this country, justice is just us.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: Tom Caldwell, if you will indulge me, I'm going to
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: take a quick break and come back and just a
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: few more questions I had. The book is The Mouths
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: of the Wicked, a true January sixth story of corruption, persecution,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: survival and victory. The author is a veteran Navy Lieutenant
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: Commander Tom Caldwell, who was terribly mistreated by people in
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: a rogue justice system in this country. That was, obviously
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: and the most telling thing you just said, Tom, was
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: I bet you're glad, I bet you're you're sorry now
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: that you supported Donald Trump, because that's what it was
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: all about. We'll take a break and come right back
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: more with Tom Caldwell.
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  Speaker 4: Next fifty five KRC King fifty.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: Five KRC the talk station.
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  Speaker 8: I hear the train of coming, it's rolling around Apin
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 8: and I seen the sunshine.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: Since I don't know where I'm stuck in pulls in
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: prisons and time keeps dragging on, but that train keeps
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: the rolling.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: Talking to Navy Lieutenant Tom Caldwell, author of The Mouths
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: of the Wicked, the True January sixth Story. His January
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: sixth story of how he was lied about false charges
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: put him in solitary confinement for fifty days before he
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: was finally exonerated after much expense and time taken away
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: from his life for no reason. Tom, I've heard others
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: horror stories about the dc gulag and being placed in
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: solitary confinement. Give us a thumbnail sketch on your incarceration.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 6: I was not taken to what they call the DCG
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 6: but I was taken to probably the nastiest prison in
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 6: the state of Virginia. It's called the Central Virginia Regional
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 6: Jail in a little town that sounds nice, Orange, Virginia.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 6: And from the time I got in there, I was
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 6: selected for special handling, and my world became sleeping on
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 6: a concrete floor with icy cold air blown on me
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 6: all the time. Four solid walls, free concrete and one
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: a solid steel door, and that was my world, and
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 6: in there, just like in the outer limits, they controlled
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 6: the horizontal and the vertical, so they had the ability
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 6: to manipulate me with sound and screams and flashing lights
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 6: and of course the favorite of darkness when they turn
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 6: out the lights four days at the time.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 8: It's really really tough.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: I think, long enough timeline, everybody's sanity might go to
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 6: zero in a situation like that where your only actual contact,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 6: physical contact with people is a physical beating. For worse.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 6: The prouty in the prison is just part of the story,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 6: but it's an awful It was an awful part of
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 6: the story.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: Were you denied legal assistance at the first time.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: The judge at my first bail hearing, which was a farce,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 6: ask me, quite blank how much money you have in
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 6: the bank and I said, I don't know. I might
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 6: have a couple thousand dollars. She says, oh, that's enough.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 6: You go get an attorney. But the problem is when
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 6: you're in solitary, how do you get an attorney. My wife,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 6: while I was going through hell, was going through her
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 6: own help. She was trying to come up with the
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 6: money to find an attorney to get her husband out
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 6: and she knew this is a good situation for us.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 6: Maybe not every other January sixth or had this situation,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 6: but she knew I was in She didn't have to
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 6: be convinced because we were together in lockstep that entire
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 6: day and did nothing wrong. So she was trying as
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 6: hard as she could to save her man, knowing that
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 6: this was going to be a long, long battle against
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 6: these people. And even when I got out, the dirty
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 6: tricks kept coming, and they did their best to drive
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 6: us into bankruptcy. And my wife is a wonderful, wonderful lady,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 6: and she said, you know what, there are a lot
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 6: of people that are taking plea deals. You and I
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 6: both know you're not going to do that, because you
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 6: don't swear to something you didn't do, and we don't.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 6: She said, I don't if we lose everything we have,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 6: which we pick came close to but we didn't, or
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 6: we have to live in the back of a car,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 6: which we also didn't, Thank goodness. But she says, we're
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 6: going to find a hammer and tong all the way,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 6: and that's what we did. It's only recently that I've
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 6: been able to talk about this because of the restrictions
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 6: that were put on me by the government, and even
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 6: with President Trump's personal pardon for me, not on the
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 6: day where he pardoned so many, but it came after
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 6: that when they really looked at what had been done
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 6: to me, not that there's going to be any recourse
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 6: and he pardoned me. You know, there's not any real restoration.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 6: I am forever marred with the modern day equivalent of
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 6: the Scarlett letter J six. So my reputation is ruined.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 6: But you know what, I'm free. I've had a lot
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 6: of time to think about this. I've chosen my words
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 6: carefully and they're here in the book, and there's stuff
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 6: like you have never hurt.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: I cannot believe that there's no recourse for you to
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: sue them, to uh be be compensated for your lost time,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: the ruination of your reputation, like you said, being tarred
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: and feathered and being left with that scarlet letter of
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: J six on you. Uh. I just there's something that's
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: just so unjust about it, even from true even from that,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: even from that standpoint, it's obviously all unjust, all false,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: all made up. But there's an unjustness in the fact
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: that you haven't been made a whold.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 6: Tom well, that's true, and you know, I knew that
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 6: when this book came out, I was opening myself up
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 6: and that's true. The same the same lies that still
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 6: exists out there on the internet are just being recycled
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 6: and thrown at me things that we disproved.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 8: And that's okay.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 6: Uh, it was in important to tell the story. Some
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 6: people would say, hey, you dodge the bullet. Yeah, maybe
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 6: I did, But shouldn't I shine a flashlight in the
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 6: face of a gunman so that people would know what happened.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 6: But in terms of being restored, the law says that
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 6: the prosecutors at the Department of Justice are the members
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 6: of the judiciary, all of the judges that heard these cases,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 6: including mine in the DC circuit. They all operate under
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 6: a thing called absolute immunity, which is codified into law,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 6: and that means they cannot be sued, so they can
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 6: lie and cheat and steal and falsify evidence like they
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 6: did in my case on suborn perjury, which they did,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 6: and participate in witness tampering and every dirty trick you
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 6: can imagine, including having my Social Security stopped, having my
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 6: military medical benefits stop, and by extension, my wife's too.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 6: Everything they could do to try to get me to
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 6: come and sign a piece of paper. These are things
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 6: that are going to be exposed when people read the book.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 6: But you know that's the law. That stuff's been out
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 6: there for a long long time. Most people like you
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 6: and I were never exposed to the inner workings, the
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 6: dirty part of the lawfair and the weaponization. So now
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 6: we can put a real face on it. I want
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 6: to stay in my lane. I don't talk about everybody
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 6: else's chase at length, but when you see what we've
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 6: got documented, you're just going to want to tear your
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 6: hair out. And the laws that exist to protect these
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 6: people to do whatever they want to do for political gain,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 6: for professional gain, and monetary gain, well those things need
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 6: to change. But I don't know how you and I
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 6: go about doing that, mister Walker.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: Well, at least it's being exposed to the sunlight of
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: your book and conversations like this one. Again, there are
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: some who insist on due process, for example, for illegal
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: immigrants like Abrigo Garcia accused of of, you know, human trafficking,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: and there's evidence to that, and people with known criminal backgrounds,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: people with multiple not only charges but convictions, and the
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: question remains is where was Tom Caldwell's due process?
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 6: You know, my wife Sharon and I we we sit
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 6: here sometimes and we don't we don't hang on every
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 6: word or on the newscasts in the evening. We have
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 6: other things to do. Sure, but we'll we'll see something
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 6: like what you just mentioned, and she'lter to me and
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 6: she'll say, where where was Where were your rights? Where
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 6: was your due process? Why did why didn't you get
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 6: Chris van Holland to come and take you out for
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 6: margaritea those kinds of things, And it's just, you know,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 6: we just kind of get a right smile and I
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 6: laugh together, as a loving husband and wife will tend
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 6: to do. But I'll tell you what, there's no way
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 6: that we could have gotten through this without our Lord
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 6: and Savior Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 2: Amen.
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  Speaker 6: I hope that we make a strong enough statement about
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 6: that in the books. The miracles that came out during
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 6: the story that kept me from going back into prison,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 6: possibly for life. Your listeners need to know. They wanted
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 6: to put me in prison for the rest of my life.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 6: It is charged me with felonies.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: Oh jeez, The Mouths of the Wicked, The True January
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: sixth story of Corruption, Persecution, survival and victory. It is
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: out now. The author Tom Caldwell. I am so glad
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: you're a freeman and I hope maybe this book will
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: go some ways to making your life better, Tom, when
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: people read your story and they understand. Thank you again
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: for your time, sir.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 6: Well, thank you so much. If people do want to
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 6: find the book and want to find out what really happened,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 6: you can find the book at Puffin Publishers dot com.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 6: That's Puffin like the Seabird pu f fi N Publishers
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 6: dot com. And I think you'll be surprised.
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  Speaker 2: Very well. God blessed.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 6: Thank you very much of the time.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: God bless you, Tom Caldwell. Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: Fifty five KRC.
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  Speaker 2: The talk station A minute of hope is brought to
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  Speaker 2: you by the lenders. Here see the talk station from
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: a January sixth survivor Tom Caldwell to a survivor so
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: far in the fourth District in Northern Kentucky. My Congressman
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: Thomas Massey joins us for a few minutes on this
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: Friday as a favor to me, and I really appreciate it.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: Congressman Massey, how are we this morning.
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  Speaker 12: We're doing good. I've had my first cup of coffee
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 12: and I'm ready to go at it.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So my first question is, are you glad
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: that Chuck Schumer and the Democrats took some heat off you?
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: Because they're all calling it the Schumer and the Democrat
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: has shut down of the government, and I've not heard
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: your name mentioned as a nay vote on the CR
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: or anything else.
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  Speaker 12: Well, you know, they called it the Schumer shutdown. I
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 12: called it the Epstein recess because Congress. You know, normally
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 12: when the government shuts down, Congress is in session working
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 12: on the solution. But for six weeks we've been in recess.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 12: And the net effect of that recess was to delay
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 12: the swearing in of the two hundred and eighteenth signature
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 12: that I needed to force a vote on releasing the
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 12: Epstein files.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 8: But to your but.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 12: Before we switched to that, I want to address your point. Yes,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 12: I did not vote for the Continuing Resolution that kicks
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 12: the canda January. And I'll tell you why. What happened
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 12: was ridiculous on both parts, on both parties, the Republicans
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 12: and the Democrats. I feel like it was a fake
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 12: fight over nothing. The Republicans opening offer back in September,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 12: which they held for the same position for six weeks
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 12: and just voted for, was Joe Biden's budget. The Republicans said, here,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 12: let's just do a continuing resolution. Now, a continuing resolution
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 12: means you do the same thing this year, any per penny,
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 12: dollar for dollar that you did last year. So the
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 12: Republicans said, let's do Joe Biden's budget this year, and
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 12: the Democrats said, no, we want more. And so that's
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 12: what the fight was over over the as far as
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 12: the funding goes for the last six weeks. And so
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 12: what I think you can take away that you know,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 12: reporters have asked me, what can Republicans take away from
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 12: this six week fight? I said, well, you can take
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 12: away that if your opening offer is Joe Biden's budget,
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 12: that you can win a shutdown fight with the Democrats.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: Well, and by the way, there was one very onerous
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 12: provision added to this continuing resolution, and that was a
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 12: ban on certain hemp derivatives, certain hemp products. And I
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 12: think although there probably needs to be regulation on the
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 12: hemp products that are psychoactive, that should be done at
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 12: the state level. And even if you wanted to do
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 12: it at the federal level. There was way to do
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 12: it without banning everything and destroying an entire industry in Kentucky,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 12: which is what I'm afraid this bill will do. They
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 12: added that into the Continuing Resolution, a ban on certain
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 12: HMP products.
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  Speaker 2: You know what taught about that, Thomas, is that hemp
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: from the very foundations of this country was it was
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: a It was a prime agricultural product. I mean, George
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: Washington grew hemp. The founding fathers, many of them who
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: were who were farming anyway, we're growing hemp, and it
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: was a vital part of their whole portfolio. And and
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: then there's this move afoot to stamp hemp out of
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: the of the legal framework of the economy. Do you
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: find that odd? I do?
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  Speaker 12: I do find it odd. And you know for people
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 12: I'm running for reelection that but people say, well, what
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 12: have you gotten done? Well, one of the things I
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 12: got done in twenty thirteen, and this came out in
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 12: the twenty fourteen Farm Bill, was still legalized industrial hemp.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 12: And that was an amendment to the Farm Bill that
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 12: I offered with Jared Polis and Earl Blumenauer, and it
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 12: got passed, it made it into the Farm Bill, and
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 12: they started We started growing hemp in Kentucky in twenty
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 12: fourteen for the first time, you know, in maybe fifty
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 12: or sixty years.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 7: Since it was banned.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 12: But they expanded that program in I think it was
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 12: twenty eighteen whenever the next Farm Bill came up. And
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 12: then there werercial products that were psychoactive that were derived
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 12: from HIM Delta nine and other things and people. You know,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 12: they've been abused, I do believe, but states have stepped
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 12: in and started regulating that, and I don't think we
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 12: needed this total ban which was implemented here in this
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 12: continuing resolution.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: What did you think of Agriculture Secretary brook Rollins claim
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: that says twenty nine states uncovered nearly two hundred thousand
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: people with dead people's Social Security numbers, and then twenty
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: one states are suing to keep their data hidden. I
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: think one of the most telling things for me and
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of other people with the government shutdown is
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: when we found out that one in eight Americans are
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: receiving Snap benefits forty two million people. I thought that
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: was absurdly high. What do you think about.
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  Speaker 12: That, Well, it's a lot higher in some Kentucky counties.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 12: I asked a couple of years ago, I asked the
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 12: owner of a grocery store here in Lewis County what
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 12: percent of their revenue with food stamps? And they told
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 12: me forty percent? And I was shocked. Forty percent, not
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 12: fourteen four zero percent the revenue was from EBT cards.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 12: You know, I think there are the people who need
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 12: what the program stands for, supplemental nutrition assistance program. Maybe
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 12: I do need another cup of coffee. I need some
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 12: supplemental caffeine to get those words out. But you know,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 12: we don't normally say what these acronyms stand for. But
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 12: that's what SNAP stands.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: I have always been a proponent that we shouldn't be
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 12: funding sugary drinks in SNAP that SNAP stands for supplemental nutrition.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 12: I don't think high fructose corn syrup is supplemental nutrition,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 12: and I do think it does lead to an obesity problem.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 12: So that then shows up on Medicaid and Medicare in
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 12: some circumstances, So we should take that off the menu.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: Well, there's no reason for anyone in this country to starve,
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: not with the abundance that we do have on the
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: other hand, anytime there is a government program, especially at
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: the federal level, and it is handing out things, whether
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: it be food or medicine or healthcare or you know,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: child tax credits, basically there is going to be massive fraud.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: Do you find that that's the case.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 12: And to address your first question there about brook rawlins
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 12: and covering so many accounts that were fraudulently receiving dead
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 12: people the SNAP program.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 7: Here's the thing.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 12: The states and even the grocery store lobby are not
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 12: interested in ferreting out that fraud because that's money that,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 12: even though it may be fraudulent, it's filtering into those states,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 12: and it's filtering into their economy, and it's filtering into
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 12: those grocery stores. They don't want the fraud taken out
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 12: of the program, but we should. Taxpayer should want it
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 12: taken out, and anybody that relies on food stamps that
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 12: needs them should want the fraud taken out as well.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: One one quick thing, Congressman Massey, can you stand by
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: for another Can you get another cup of coffee and
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: stick around for a few more minutes?
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 12: Absolutely, I want to talk about this Epstein resolution in
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 12: the past next week.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: The first thing The thing I want to the thing
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you real quick before we go
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: to break, is do you find a continuance of the
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: Biden budget less heinous than than adding another one and
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: a half trillion dollars as the Democrats.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 12: One, Yes, it's a lot less heinous than that. But
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 12: let me tell you something. They added two hundred billion
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 12: dollars above Joe Biden's budget in the reconciliation Bill, so
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 12: that it's really not just Joe Biden's budget. It's Joe
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 12: Biden's budget plus another one hundred to two hundred billion
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 12: dollars a year for the next three years.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: All right, Thomas Massey, our guest for the next few minutes,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: my congressman in Northern Kentucky, and we'll be right back
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: on fifty five KRCV talk station. We've got a double
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: Jack Bottler face seven forty two on a Friday morning,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: Gary jeffn for Brian Thomas and our guest once again,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: Congressman Thomas Massey from the fourth District in Northern Kentucky
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: where I live. And one thing I have all was appreciated, Thomas,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: is that you go your own way when it something
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: does not meet your standards or your values. You're not
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: a rubber stamp or a s man for any political party,
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: but you consider yourself to be working for the people
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: of your district, which is I think the concept that
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: a lot of people in Congress are missing, since many
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: of them don't even live in the districts where there
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: are not from the districts that they're serving supposedly as
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: working for. And of course you've drawn the ire of
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: President Trump, and they're trying to primary you, going to
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: primary you in the upcoming primary elections in twenty six
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: you are running again for that seat, and I will
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: vote for you again, even though I don't agree with
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: every stance you take. I don't agree with every stance
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: President Trump has, and I think that you should vote
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: your conscience and your values, and you you do that.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: It's one of the things I really appreciate about you,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: is your authenticity in that regard.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 12: Well, don't give me too much credit. I vote with
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 12: the party ninety one percent of the time. I know,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 12: you know, they say they call me mister no, and
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 12: they say never votes with us. I vote with the
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 12: Republican Party, which means I vote with Trump ninety one
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 12: percent of the time. What they're upset about is the
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 12: nine percent that I don't vote with them. Yeah, but
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 12: in that case, they're starting wars abroad. They're not cutting spending,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 12: they're spending us into oblivion. And in the most recent example,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 12: they're trying to keep the Epstein file secret. And this
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 12: has been an effort that I have been on for months.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 6: I talked about it years ago.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 12: Some people say, oh, he didn't care about it until
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 12: Trump was president.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 12: I cared about it when Joe Biden was president, and
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 12: I started really caring about it when the FBI director,
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 12: the assistant FBI director, the attorney general, the vice president.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 12: They all flipped one hundred and eighty degrees, including the president,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 12: And instead of releasing the files, they're trying to keep
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 12: the file secret. They might, you know, and they you know,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 12: they'll claim privately they're trying to avoid embarrassment for some
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 12: of the President's friends, and they'll say that privately, they
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 12: won't say that publicly. But I don't think embarrassment is
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 12: a good reason. Like saving somebody from embarrassment is a
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 12: good reason to protect dozens of men who prayed on
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 12: underage women in a sex trafficking operation.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: No, I agree with you that wholeheartedly. I would say
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: that Joe Biden had four years to do it and didn't.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: The Democrats didn't want these released either until President Trump
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: was in office, because I thought there were some little
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: morsels that they could fire at the president. Uh And
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: and they've tried to do that again with the twenty
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: thousand or whatever emails, and three mentioned Trump's name. But
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: they don't. Yeah, they don't. They do not. They do
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: not indicate any kind of wrongdoing by President Trump.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 12: No, I don't see any wrongdoing in those emails. In fact,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 12: if you read them a certain way, they may exonerate him.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 12: It looks like from those emails that perhaps Epstein and
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 12: Maxwell were suspicious of Trump that he might inform on them.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 12: That's the way I read those emails. And there and
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 12: there'll be me more to come out. But I don't
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 12: think we should protect the billionaires who are named in there.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 7: Either way.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 12: I find this really interesting.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 7: I am.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 6: I have led this.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 12: Effort, and by the way, we succeeded this week in
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 12: forcing the House vote. That vote will probably happen next week.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 12: But I've led that effort, and in return, I've got
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 12: three billionaires who are coming after me to try to
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 12: get me unelected. And one of them is in the
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 12: previously released Epstein's Black Book. Now that's not a list
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 12: of guilty people, but it's a list. It's Epstein's personal
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 12: phone book that he kept that had personal cell numbers
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 12: and contacts in it. And so one of these billionaires
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 12: was in the Epstein I call it the Epstein class,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 12: the class of people. This is not class warfare. If
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 12: you became a billionaire by working hard, you know, good
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 12: for you in capitalism. But if you're using that money
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 12: and expect to have certain privileges that don't you know,
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 12: as far as is breaking the law, that don't extend
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 12: to every American. And I'm sorry you're part of the
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 12: Epstein class. Well, if you're, and that's who's you know,
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  Speaker 12: funding the the attack ads.
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  Speaker 7: On me that some people have seen.
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  Speaker 2: Regardless of how you made your money, Thomas, if you're
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  Speaker 2: crimes against underage people, you have no class in my opinion, right,
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  Speaker 12: That is obvious, I think on his face. But you know,
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  Speaker 12: this week, this week was one of the biggest breakthroughs
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  Speaker 12: ever people, you know, when they ask, what have you
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  Speaker 12: gotten done? I just did something that's only been done
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  Speaker 12: maybe twenty times in the history of our country. I
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  Speaker 12: got a bill to the floor over the objections of
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  Speaker 12: the Speaker of the House, House and the chairman of
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  Speaker 12: the committees. It's called a discharge petition. It's a parliamentary
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  Speaker 12: procedure that's been in place over one hundred years, where
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  Speaker 12: if you can get two hundred and eighteen signatures, you
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  Speaker 12: can bypass the Speaker, and you can bypass the committee chairman,
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  Speaker 12: of the House. Well, I just got the two hundred
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  Speaker 12: and eighteen signature. And you know what happened on that
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  Speaker 12: day when the two hundred and eighteen signature was getting
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  Speaker 12: sworn into Congress, the President, the FBI Director, and the
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  Speaker 12: Attorney General were all and the Speaker himself. We're still
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 12: trying to get people to take their signatures off of
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  Speaker 12: my petition. They took Warren Bobert over. She went willingly,
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  Speaker 12: but she went to the situation room at the White
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  Speaker 12: House where they tried to convince her to take her
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  Speaker 12: name off of my petition so that we would never
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  Speaker 12: get to to eighteen. And God bless her for staying strong.
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  Speaker 12: She did not cave or crumble or yield. And so
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  Speaker 12: it was only because of Nancy Mace, Marjorie Taylor Green,
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  Speaker 12: Lauren Bobert. Those were my three co signers that put
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  Speaker 12: this Republican co signers that put this petition over the top.
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  Speaker 2: So you say that privately, privately, administration officials and these
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  Speaker 2: people who are are balking at releasing this information that
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  Speaker 2: we were promised, are doing so because Donald Trump thinks
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  Speaker 2: it would be bad for business, because it might embarrass
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  Speaker 2: people that are friends of his or he has plans
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  Speaker 2: for business.
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  Speaker 12: Well, in fact, I won't just put on administration, I
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  Speaker 12: would say, and I can't prove this because this was
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  Speaker 12: in a conversation, but Donald Trump himself has said that
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  Speaker 12: the release the f Steam files are going to hurt
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  Speaker 12: just made news there. And uh, but here's the thing.
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  Speaker 12: I think it's not just gonna implicate them, some of
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  Speaker 12: his billionaire friends and donors. I think it's going to
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  Speaker 12: tell you that on the day we were the day
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  Speaker 12: before we got the two hundred and eighteen signature. It
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 12: was this massive effort by the White House to get
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  Speaker 12: my co signers to take their names off the petition.
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  Speaker 12: They told one of my co signers, we can't let
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  Speaker 12: Massey have a win. Is that crazy? Like the pettiness
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  Speaker 12: of that they are And there they have full blown
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  Speaker 12: Massy derangement syndrome. The political you know, uh chattering bunch
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  Speaker 12: there at the White House that surround the President. They
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 12: don't want the victims to get justice, They don't want
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  Speaker 12: Americans to have transparency because they didn't want Massey to
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  Speaker 12: have a win. Well, guess what we won anyway, and
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  Speaker 12: we won for the victims and the survivors. And we're
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  Speaker 12: going to have this vote when we go back next week,
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  Speaker 12: and that's going to be a very important vote for
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  Speaker 12: a lot of congressmen. I'll give a shout out to
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  Speaker 12: Warren Davidson there in Ohio. He's in the i think
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  Speaker 12: the listening area. He's representatives there north of Cincinnati. He
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  Speaker 12: said he's going to vote for it, and I think
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  Speaker 12: really everybody should vote for it because the promise over
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  Speaker 12: at to White House. Now they're handing out Trump endorsements
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  Speaker 12: this Trump endorsement, you be against releasing the Epstein files,
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• 1:52:46
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  Speaker 12: help you raise money. But don't release those Epstein files. Well,
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  Speaker 12: you know, in twenty twenty eight and twenty thirty, especially
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  Speaker 12: in twenty five, the President's not going to be able
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 12: to help people who took a bad vote to cover
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  Speaker 12: up for pedophiles. So I would remind my colleagues your
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 12: voting record is going to outlast this presidency, so be
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  Speaker 12: very careful next week when you vote on whether to
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  Speaker 12: release the Epstein files or not.
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  Speaker 2: Thomas Massey, thank you so much for your time, very generous.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. And keep doing what you're doing.
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  Speaker 12: Man, all right, I'm starting it up. Thanks Gary, Jeff Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Easy. Are you or have you ever been a fan
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  Speaker 2: of the Old West, the Wild American West, A stuff
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: like White IRP and Doc Holliday to shootout at the
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: OK Corral. Brothers of the Gun is a brand new
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: book by historian Mark League Gardner. We will talk about
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: this fresh look. It's a duel, a biography of both
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: Wider and Doc Holiday. I'm chomping at the bit to
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  Speaker 2: find out more myself. We'll get into that in just
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  Speaker 2: a few moments. On this Friday morning on fifty five
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  Speaker 1: Today's top headlines conning.
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  Speaker 11: Way man along the coach roads on it rhyme, sword
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  Speaker 11: and pistol.
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  Speaker 2: By my side. Many a young man lost her bobbles
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  Speaker 2: to my tree six minutes after the hour and a Friday.
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  Speaker 9: Morning, many a soldiers online.
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  Speaker 2: Willie maybe whaling, But we're going back even farther than them,
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  Speaker 2: to the wild so called Wild West of America's past.
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  Speaker 2: Historian Mark Lee Gardner has written the first duel biography
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: of gunslingers Whitep and Doc Holiday. It's called Brothers of
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: the Gun, and it is out this week. Mark is
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  Speaker 2: an authority on the Old West, has been featured in
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  Speaker 2: Wired's Tech Support over five million views there, the hit
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: Netflix docusaries Wide Erp and The Cowboy War, and also
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  Speaker 2: as an award winning musician specializes in the music of
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: the Old West. We probably should have lined up so
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  Speaker 2: we could have him do his own bumper music to
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  Speaker 2: fit the topic. Brothers of the Gun, the lives of
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: those two men mentioned, Wide Erp and Doc Holliday, those
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: of course our famous names in the history of this
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: country in the Old West for the you know, the
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: fight at the Ok Corral, the gunfight there. And one
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: was a part time lawman, the other a part time dentist,
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: and they were Brothers of the Gun. Now, to talk
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  Speaker 2: about the book a little bit, and why you should
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  Speaker 2: if you're if you're a history buffer, American history buff,
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  Speaker 2: you got to have this, Mark Lee Gardner, Welcome to
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  Speaker 2: the show.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, thanks, Gary, happy to talk to you.
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  Speaker 2: Now. You're an award winning musician and you specialize in
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: the music of Old West. That struck me right away.
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  Speaker 2: What kind of instruments do you play, Mark, I'm.
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  Speaker 5: Playing mostly the banjo, the five string banjo, and you
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  Speaker 5: know the banjo's that actually goes hundreds of years back
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 5: to Africa, starts out as an African instrument. But I
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 5: became fascinated by the music of the nineteenth century West,
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 5: and there was a lot of banjo in the nineteenth
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 5: century West.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, there was this here was do you have any
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 2: modern day banjo players that you kind of revere and
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: look up to, because there's a lot of good ones.
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  Speaker 5: I'd say you my hero was Earl Scruggs. He's no
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 5: longer with us, but he developed the scrug style picking.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 5: But you know, the historic banjo. When I started learning
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 5: the history of it, scrunk style starts in the nineteen forties,
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 5: and I was wanting stuff in the eighteen forties, and
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 5: that's actually an African playing style. People still playing the
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 5: dance called clawhammer or frailing. So I tend to lean
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 5: towards the older playing styles on the banjo.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you see the guys by the campfire being depicted,
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: you know, in these romatic ways, and there's the stars
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  Speaker 2: and the campfire and the dogies are retiring, as they say,
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: and they're picking guitars. But guitars weren't really that prominent
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  Speaker 2: back in the eighteen fifties, were they.
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  Speaker 5: Oh no, no, I mean there were guitars, but it
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 5: wasn't They didn't have the boom really until the early
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 5: twentieth century, the nineteen twenties, and of course that's also
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 5: the birth of the film industry, so it made sense
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 5: that you're singing cowboys are going to be playing guitars.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 5: But if you're if they had a movie in the
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 5: eighteen seventies, the Singing Cowboys would have had a banjo.
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  Speaker 2: White Urb and Doc Holiday. They are eternally fascinating when
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: people think about the American West and the Old West.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think sets those two particular characters apart?
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  Speaker 2: That always provides people with a lot of just they're
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 2: almost spellbound when they hear those names.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you know, a big part of that, Gary is
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 5: is that gunfight in Tombstone, Arizona. I mean, that's where
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 5: they've become legendary. But also it's every movie or TV
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 5: show that deals with these you know that has Wider
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  Speaker 5: b and Doc Holliday.
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  Speaker 8: They tell us that.
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  Speaker 5: They're friends, but they don't really tell us why they're
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 5: friends or how they became friends, but they are, you know,
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 5: they are anchored in the American imagination is the most
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 5: famous friendship. And it really starts because they're side by
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 5: side with White's brothers at the OK Corral. But it
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  Speaker 5: goes much deeper than that, which is what I talk
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  Speaker 5: about in the book, was.
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  Speaker 2: Was what happened at the OK Corral.
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  Speaker 3: Was well, what.
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  Speaker 5: Happens is and and this is why it's one of
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 5: the biggest stories in American history. Is it's that it's
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 5: that classic clash. What has come down to is between
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 5: good and bad. And you've got the you know, Wider
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 5: and Virgil and Doc and Morgan representing the law going
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 5: up against the crustler element called.
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  Speaker 2: The cowboys, the Clinton's and all of that, and the Macaris. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: what what kind of a lawman was white? If you
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: broke broke it down?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was an exceptional lawman. The irony is he
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  Speaker 5: was only a lawman a very short time. But in
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 5: cowtown's like Wichita and Dodge City, where he really made
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 5: his mark, he was considered, you know, if not the
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 5: best among the best. And one of his primary jobs
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 5: as a lawman was essentially disarming unruly cowboys, drunken cowboys
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  Speaker 5: because all these boottails Gary, they had anti gun laws.
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  Speaker 5: You couldn't carry a gun on the streets. And so
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  Speaker 5: the lawman, like Erth and others.
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Well, now see that's gonna shock a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people, myself included, because apparently I've not read enough.
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  Speaker 2: I've not read your book yet, and don't know enough
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  Speaker 2: about the history of the Old West, but it seems
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  Speaker 2: so odd to me that they had gun control laws,
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: which most of us Second Amendment people who are fans
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: of the Second amendmen call them people control laws. Right,
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: And you have this idea of a wide open Old
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: West where everybody had a gun, and not true.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 5: Everybody, most everybody had a gun. But if you're going
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 5: into those cowtowns, there were city ordinances that prevented you
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 5: from carrying a weapon. And in fact, that was one
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 5: of the precursors of the Okay Corral gunfight. The Earths
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 5: were going to meet the cowboys to disarm them because
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 5: they were breaking the law. So yes, there were all
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 5: kinds of anti gun laws in the Old West.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: What did Hollywood get right in telling the story of
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: the ok Corral shootout? And then what did they get wrong?
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 5: Well, it's mostly wrong. So yeah, it's mostly wrong, I mean,
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 5: and it varies. But Gary, I mean, I'm not I
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 5: don't get too upset about Hollywood. I mean, it's another reality.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 5: You know, it's not history.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know what they what they get right?
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 5: You know, thers they were brothers. Morgan was assassinated the
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 5: cowboys were rustlers, but a lot of times, even the
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 5: fight itself, you know, it happened in a lot that
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 5: was like fifteen feet wide. Wow, very narrow space. In
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 5: most movies it's really you know, the running all over
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 5: the place.
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's a wide open it's a wide open expanse,
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: you know, and they're exactly and they're shooting around the
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: corners of buildings. You say the space was fifteen feet.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, according to some accounts. And it wasn't even at
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 5: the OK Corral. That's a big myths. It was in
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 5: a lot that was behind the OK Corral.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: Huh. Well, okay, what what was doc Holiday like and
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: what was he a successful dentist? What was dentistry like
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: in the in the eighteen fifties, eighteen sixties, eighteen seventies.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 5: Well, he actually went to the best dental school in
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 5: the country was in Philadelphia and got a degree in
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 5: dental surgery. And his first place where he was a
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 5: professional dentist or when he had a partner in Dallas,
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 5: they actually won awards at the local fair for their dentistry.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 5: So he was an accomplished dentist. The problem was he
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 5: was also a gambling addict and to bat masters, and
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 5: if you wanted an appointment, you'd have to go to
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 5: the gambling mall. He was rarely in his office. And
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 5: then he also he drank a lot, and that may
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 5: have been self medication for his tuberculosis. He had tuberculosis,
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 5: so he was ill, and when he drank he could
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 5: get violent and me and and unpredictable. So it wasn't
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 5: He didn't stay in the ditches very long. He became
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 5: a professional gambler.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: Brothers of the Gun is the book. Mark Lee Gardner
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: is our guest. Mark, Can you hang for one more
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: quick segment or do you need to go?
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 5: You bet?
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: You bet? All right, we'll talk more about Doc Holliday
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: and Wyatt erb and the real stories and their real
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: friendship and the book that Mark is touting. Who did
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: he did all the research? He knows. It's eight fifteen
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  Speaker 2: and fifty five KRCV talk station. Winter is coming and
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: that cold wind isn't Just all right, We're talking with
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 2: Mark Lee Gardner the book Brothers of the Gun, about
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: White Urb and Doc Holiday, the good, bad and ugly
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: of the two infamous friends who were at the oh
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: Well in the lot behind the Ok Corral. I just
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 2: found out this morning. So your research process mark into this.
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: How long did it take you to gather information before
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: you could even write the book? Or were you writing
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: as you were going and doing where? Where did you
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: find this information that heretofore wasn't available to just the
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: casual reader of American history?
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 5: Sure? Well, I took a couple of years just to
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 5: research before I started writing. And I went all over
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 5: the country looking at manuscript materials. You know, White Earth's
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 5: first person narrative that he dictated is in the Tombstone
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 5: Courthouse State Park in tunesdone Arizona, and I made copies
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 5: started out as a photostatic copy, and I made copies
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 5: of that and went to San Marino, California, to the
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 5: Huntington Library where an early biographer all his papers were
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 5: Arizona Historical Society. You know. My thing is Gary, is
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 5: that I do primary resource research. I don't just read
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 5: other books. I want to look at the actual documents. Yeah,
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 5: and do my own research.
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: All right, So, I mean you were going through newspaper
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: records and court records exactly, yes.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 5: And.
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: Letters and diaries.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 5: Yes. One of the great yeah, I mean, okay, Corral
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 5: was there was a hearing that was held afterwards with
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 5: thirty witnesses that gave testimony lasted a month, so we
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 5: have a lot of information on the gunfight itself.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: All right, People certainly lived different lives then. We didn't
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: have the technology that we have today, and there are
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: some of us who who clamor to go back to
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: a less connected, less on the grid kind of life.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: What was life like at the time of White RP
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: and Doc Holiday for most people? How hard scrabble was it?
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah? It was well in the towns, that's the thing
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 5: out you know, where somebody's farming in a sawbuster or something. Yeah,
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 5: it's it's rough. It's hard scrabble. But you know, the
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 5: lives of Whyte and Doc were always in towns and
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 5: booming towns of that. So, you know, places like Tombstone
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 5: you could get oysters, I mean, the finest champagnes and wines.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 5: You know, there was money there, so they had money
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 5: to bring things in. So it was actually a pretty
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 5: darn good life in the cities. You know, the gambling
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 5: halls had Brussels carpet and paintings and in the latest newspapers,
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 5: so it was a pretty nice life if you were
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 5: in town right right.
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: I think today there's an effort by a lot of
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 2: people to move out of the towns because life isn't
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: life isn't quite as idyllic today as maybe it was
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: in the Old West. How did they stray outside the law,
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: the law man and the dentist.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 5: That's they did that a lot. I mean, especially why
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 5: it's youth and he you know, he didn't want this known,
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 5: of course, but at one point he operated a brothel
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 5: on a boat in the river. His wives were almost
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 5: three of them, were all former prostitutes. And of course
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 5: Whyatt was a gambler as well. He was arrested once
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 5: for stealing the horse as a young man. So he
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 5: had a dark past that a lot of people don't
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 5: know about.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: Huh. Well, I mean you said that Doc hung out
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: in brothels a lot and was a gambler. Yes, did
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: he incur a lot of gambling debts in his time?
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 5: Well, well, we don't really know that information. There's one
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 5: famous debt, and it's really sad. It's towards the end
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 5: of his life, and he owed a man five dollars,
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 5: which wouldn't seem like that much, and they got in
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 5: the gunfight over it. But he was penniless when he
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 5: died in glynn Wood Springs from his tuberculusis at age
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 5: thirty six.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: Thirty six years old? Now how old did how long
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: did whyitet Earth live?
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 5: Wyatt live for another forty years. He lived to the
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 5: age of eighty. He died in nineteen twenty nine. His
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 5: pallbears included Tom Mix movie Star.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: And Williams Heart How about that?
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 5: How about that as he got to see his legend,
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 5: he got to live to see his legend doc Halla,
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 5: They didn't?
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean what did he do in the latter
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: years of his life? Wyatt?
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 5: Whyatt Earth eked out in existence. He was also broke,
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 5: and he had a little mind called the happy day
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 5: mind that he would spend summers grinding out, you know,
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 5: trying to get some war and make a little living.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 5: But one of his biggest things he did was trying
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 5: to get his story told and writing it down. And
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 5: his hope was that they would make money because everybody
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 5: else was making the money off of his story.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: And he felt he should make some money off Oh heck, yeah, yeah,
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: he should have had you around as a ghostwriter. I
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: bet you would have loved that.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 5: I would have loved that. Yeah, I would have liked
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 5: a nun Wider if he was that interesting individual.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: Are you working on any new projects.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 8: Mark, Yes.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 5: My current book project is the story of Jesse and
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 5: Frank James during the Civil War as bushwhackers.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: There you go, So this is this is before the
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: crime spree, right.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 8: Exactly, but it led to it.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 5: It's how it led to that crime spree.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: Well, we'll have to keep touch and when you have
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: that one ready in a couple of years or whatever, Oh,
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 2: definitely we'll discuss that. Mark Lee Gardner is the man.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: The book is Brothers of the Gun about White RP
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: and Doc Holiday. Thank you so much for your time,
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 2: very very interested.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 5: In this now, Thank you, Gary.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed it all right, you bet. We continued doctor David,
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: Matt Gary Jeffan for Brian on this Friday morning on
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: fifty five KRC. As much as America has always been
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: fascinated about the subjects of our last previous segment, White
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: ERP and Doc Holiday, the assassination of JFK dominates the
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: American psyche to this day, sixty three years later. Who
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: did it? What happened? What really happened? Our guest in
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: this half hour is a doctor PhD. David Mantick spent
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: many years in private practice. He's out in the in
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 2: the Palm Deayara in California. He became a parapatetic radiation oncologist,
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: currently licensed in eight states. Also worked in Hawaii, New Zealand.
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: In his spare time, David Mantick does research and writes
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: about the JFK assassination and has made some amazing discoveries
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: that heretofore have not been made by anybody else. He
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: spent nine full days at the National Archives to view
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: and perform measurements on the JFK autopsy, X rays, the
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: photographs from the autopsy, his clothing, ballistic artifacts. We now
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: know that the War and Commission was not very interested
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 2: in the truth, but that indifference still seems to afflect
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: Washington d C. Even here in twenty twenty five. He
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 2: is a co author of the book The Final Analysis
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: with doctor Jerome Corsi, another one of my favorite people
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: on the planet. I love Jerry. Also, doctor Mann has written,
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: among other things, JFK was killed by Consensus, and now
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: he joins us this morning for a conversation about the
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 2: latest book JFK. The assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: The final Analysis, Doctor David Mannick, good morning, and thank
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 2: you for joining us so early.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 7: Here a bok others it's dark and it's five thirty
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 7: in the morning. Well half away.
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: Well I know. And when our friend Eric set this
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 2: interview up for me, I said, well, I'm on till
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: nine o'clock eastern. Can we get him to squeeze in
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: maybe a little bit at eight thirty. This was the
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: last stop for me today. So I really do appreciate
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 2: you volunteering to get up this early to plug And now,
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: how many books about JFK have you written, doctor Mannick?
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 7: Well, three in my name, but I'd contributed to many
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 7: other ones going all the way back to nineteen ninety eight.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, what is your particular fascination with this piece of
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 2: American history? Is it the fact that the official sources
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: still won't come clean with it. Is it the fact
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: that there have been so many conspiracy theories surrounded about
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: who actually did it, who orchestrated it, and why it happened.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of questions out there. Is
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: it just curiosity or is this something else that drives
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: you to continue to study the assassination of President John Kennedy.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 5: When Oliver Stones movie came out around nineteen ninety, I
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 5: was hoping we would get.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 7: A clear cut answer to these questions. Who killed JFK,
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 7: Who pulled the triggers? Why did they do this? That's
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 7: what my recent book is all about. Those are the
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 7: questions I addressed. But in the nineteen nineties, these questions
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 7: were not answered, and I actually became quite angry at
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 7: the historians for failing us. We the American public needed
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 7: to know what was going on in this case, and
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 7: they absolutely let us down. So I was furious. I
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 7: was literally angry at the historians because they they could not,
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 7: they would not, they didn't have the courage to face
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 7: these issues. And I actually wrote an essay called the
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 7: Silence of the Historians, which was one of my first
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 7: essays that was published in one of our first books,
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 7: Murder and Daily Plaza, which you can still purchase at Amazon.
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 7: So that's what drove me. Anger drove me.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 2: I was lived.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 7: I wanted to know why we didn't why they didn't
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 7: tell us.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. In another book, he wrote JFK was killed by consensus.
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: The subtitle is Dally Plaza was just the final stop.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 2: When you say killed by consensus, what do you mean, Yeah,
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: that's the issue.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 7: I mean that the power elite in this country, the
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 7: American power elite, had come to an agreement that JFK
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 7: was a trader. He was betraying us in the co
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 7: War to the Communists, and in order to save the country,
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 7: they had to kill him. That is literally what they
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 7: all agreed on. We're talking about the powerful elite in
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 7: the military, the political elite, the banking industry, the oil industry,
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 7: steel finance. All these powerful people who know each other
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 7: for elons silently agreed that he had to go. He
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 7: was just too dangerous to let.
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 2: Live well, because he didn't think that we should be
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: in Vietnam making war. I mean you mentioned the military
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: was one part of it.
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 7: Yes, it was one part of it. The Pentagon was
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 7: really eager to fight in Vietnam, and so all the
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 7: top military officials, the Joint chiefs, were seriously opposed to JFK.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: How much do you think was their acquiescence on the
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: part of government leaders like LBJ They knew about it
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 2: but didn't participate. I mean, how many how many different
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 2: moving parts were there was the mafia involved, was Cuba involved,
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: Castro involved? I mean because JFK was definitely a threat
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: to Castro too.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 7: Castro was meeting at the moment AFK was killed. He
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 7: was meeting with a French journalists named Jean Danielle, and
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 7: Castro responded very promptly, he said, now everything is going
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 7: to change. You see JFK had sent out peace sealers
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 7: via Jean Danielle, and JFK was indicating that he wanted
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 7: a kind of reproachewant with a Castro. Castro understood this,
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 7: and he knew that LBJ did not share these same
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 7: feelings with him. So that's why he said, now everything
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 7: is going to change, and it did.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: How much? Was what evidence did you find or have
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: you found answers? Have you found that Lyndon Baines Johnson
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: was an active participant or was just acquiescent in what
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 2: went on in the killing of JFK.
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 7: I don't think he was a very active participant, but
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 7: he had to know in advance. Yeah, because all the
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 7: government agencies involved, the EYE, the CIA, the Secret Service,
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 7: they all had to cover their rear ends or they
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 7: would have been in deep trouble. So they had to
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 7: know in advance that LBJ would cover for them, and
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 7: he did. At Parkland Hospital, for example, the Secret Service
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 7: immediately moved JFK's limousine once a few people recognized that
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 7: there was a bullet hole in the windfield that could
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 7: not be allowed. And there are scenes of the Secret
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 7: Service washing out the limousine. They're destroying evidence in a
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 7: murder scene. How is that possible? Well, the Secret Service
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 7: apparently had a widespread water to cover this up, So
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 7: only albu J could have protected their rear ends in
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 7: the situation.
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 2: And so the Warren Commission and all of that that
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: followed in the aftermath of this, that was all of
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 2: Wincoln and nod by official Washington, the establishment to swamp
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: whatever you want I want to call it.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 7: Yes, And likewise the follow up investigations like the Rockefeller Commission,
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 7: which was led by Nelson Rockefeller, who I named in
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 7: my book as one of the guilty parties. He was
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 7: deeply involved in supervising covert operations, something most Americans are
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 7: not aware of, but he had an official position in
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 7: that role. You can read about it in the biography
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 7: of him, and that's listed in my book. So this
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 7: is one of the surprising things that I learned that
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 7: Nelson Rockefeller was so involved. He thought Nelson Rockefeller was
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 7: involved in the coup in Guatemala. He had huge financial
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 7: interests at stake in Guatemala, so he was actually provided
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 7: with inside technical information on the covert operation there. It
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 7: was important for his holdings there that he know what
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 7: was going on.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: Did Khrushev know?
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 7: Khrushchev didn't know in advance, of course, but the Soviet
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 7: Union conducted its own investigation and they clearly decided that
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 7: this was a domestic conspiracy by the right wing in
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 7: the US. They knew that.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: What about the mob's involvement, Doctor Mantick, Well, let me add.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 7: One more comment about that. The family of JFK sent
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 7: a personal emissary to Khrushchev and they told Kruschief that
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 7: they understood that the Soviet was not involved. In fact,
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 7: when Krushchef came to the funeral, which was quite impressive,
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 7: I believe he was crying at one point because he
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 7: and JFK had developed such a close relationship after the
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 7: Cuban missile crisis that they both hoped that they could
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 7: change the world forever. And the holany, of course, is
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 7: that Khrushchev himself was replaced by a coup in less
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 7: than twelve months by his own right wares there in
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 7: mon style.
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: Uh, doctor Mannick, you're already awake. Can you hang for
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: one more quick segment? Or do you need to go? Yes?
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: All right? The Final Analysis The Assassination of JFK co
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 2: written with doctor Jerome Corsi, our guest, doctor David Mantik,
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: who has done all this wonderful research, and we will
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: pick this back up in just a few It's eight
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: forty at fifty five KRCV talk station. My dad's skin
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 2: with tear every time I changed this bandation. We're talking
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 2: with doctor David Mannick, who has written three books on
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 2: the assassination of John F. Kennedy and the latest, of course,
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The Final Analysis.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: So does this mark the last in your your JFK books?
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: Have you said everything you can say? Have you done
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 2: all the research, you uncovered all the stones, doctor Mantick?
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 2: Or is there more?
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 7: Well? I think the major questions were the ones we
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 7: just got. Who pulled the triggers into the plaza, and
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 7: I cite names and show photographs who ordered the execution,
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 7: and I show multiple photographs of the people who were
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 7: in the American power elite and why did they do it?
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 7: So all three of these major questions are answered in
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 7: my book. So what is left to say after that?
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 7: Probably not a whole lot. A little bits and pieces
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 7: here and there probably can fill in the gaps, but
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 7: in my opinion, ninety five percent of the information is there.
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 7: It's like putting a crossword puzzle together. We may have
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 7: a few pieces missing here and there, but we can
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 7: see the whole picture.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: Now, what about the Mob and sam Gy and Kana.
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they were involved too, s they let their role,
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 7: and in my book discusses the long time connection between
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 7: the CIA and the Mob, going back to Lucky Luciano
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 7: who is in jail during World War two, but he
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 7: provided the necessary connections in Sicily so that our Allied
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 7: landings there would be successful, and as a result, after
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 7: World War two was over, he was released from jail
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 7: and was allowed to go back to Sicily, where ironically
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 7: he was temporarily put in jail by the Sicilians as well.
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 2: I was looking at your bio, doctor Mantick, and it
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: says you were raised in a country school. You spent
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 2: eight years in like a one room country school and
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 2: then went to high school. How did you wind up
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 2: becoming a radiation on collegist?
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 7: Well, I was too curious.
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 6: I owned a PhD.
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 7: Post at the University of Wisconsin Madison, and of all things,
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 7: it was on X ray scale. So my life touched
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 7: on very early. But then I chose to go to
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 7: medical school at the University of Michigan and eventually became
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 7: board certified and radiation on college, where I am required
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 7: to read X rays every day and in order to
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 7: pinpoint tumors. I don't know where that author is or
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 7: I will miss it.
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, I just with all of the material
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 2: that's been written and all the research that's been done,
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 2: what do you think sets your books and this latest
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 2: book apart from the others Doctor Manting, Well.
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 7: The fact that I have a doctorate in physics and
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 7: an MD with a specialty in X rays is unique.
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 7: There's no other author out there who can say that,
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 7: nor can anyone else. To the National Archives on nine
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 7: full days and taken hundreds of measurements from the X
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 7: ray and the clothing and the photographs, and done stereo
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 7: viewing of all photographs there's no one who's done anything
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 7: remotely like that.
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: Well, I'd be interested to see the book and see
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 2: what the autopsy photos and X rays told you about
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 2: this assassination.
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 7: Critical, they were critical. That's before that at my background
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 7: in medicine and X rays.
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 6: Was the entry.
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, as far as where the the UH wounds, how
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 2: the wounds happened, and and at one angles and all
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 2: of the rest of that. Well, I wish you great
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 2: success with this book and all your books. And like
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 2: I said, people are still to this day, people who
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 2: weren't alive at the time I was. I was almost
• 2:25:37
  Speaker 2: three years old when the assassination occurred.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 7: Oh my goodness.
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 2: And what I remember most about it was, I mean
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 2: from an early age, I was a TV kid and
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 2: UH for three full days. Here I am, almost three
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 2: years old in November of nineteen sixty three, crying because
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 2: my cartoons aren't on, and my mom and dad are crying,
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 2: and I thought they were crying because my cartoons were
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 2: not So I mean, I've been fascinated by it, and
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 2: it is a subject of great interest, even the sixty
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  Speaker 2: three years later. I wish you well, Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for getting up for us, Doctor David Mantik and
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  Speaker 2: the final analysis the assassination of JFK will wrap up
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  Speaker 2: in just a moment. Coming up on eight forty nine
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  Speaker 2: As we wrap up this morning, Mark Kohne.
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  Speaker 1: Oot on my blue sweet shoes and boarded the plane.
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  Speaker 2: So what's in a cheer mom? In the middle of
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  Speaker 2: the in Callum, Wifornia, murder is in the heart of
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  Speaker 2: a cheer mom? Torrence, California, Scharie Lynette Townsend, forty seven
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  Speaker 2: years old on trial for murder. Prosecutors said Townsend responsible
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  Speaker 2: for the fatal stabbing of a sixty six year old
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  Speaker 2: woman named Susan Leeds, a retired nurse, who was found
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  Speaker 2: bleeding in her Mercedes back on May third of twenty eighteen.
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  Speaker 2: She had just finished a shopping trip the Promenade on
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  Speaker 2: the Peninsula Mall in Rolling Hills, California. Died minutes after
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  Speaker 2: she was found. The cheer mom, Scharie Lynette Townsend, had
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  Speaker 2: also been shopping there that day, and her gold Sedan
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  Speaker 2: was seen leaving the same parking structure where Leeds was
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  Speaker 2: found bleeding to death. According to prosecutors, Townsend was experiencing
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  Speaker 2: financial difficulties in the day before leeds death and posted
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  Speaker 2: about her troubles on social media. One sc a civic
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  Speaker 2: point of contention was a cheerleading trip to Florida for
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  Speaker 2: her then fourteen year old daughter. Prosecutors say that Townsend
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  Speaker 2: offered to bring two of her daughter's friends with them
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  Speaker 2: on the trip, and the friends each gave Townsend three
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  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars for their tickets, but according to prosecutors,
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  Speaker 2: those tickets never purchased. A criminal complaint said the investigators
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  Speaker 2: spoke to the general manager of the cheerleading team that
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  Speaker 2: Townsends daughter was on. The manager told investigators that Townsend
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  Speaker 2: had been writing checks that kept bouncing, and she'd been
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  Speaker 2: asked to provide cash or cashiers checks to pay them
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  Speaker 2: for fees. She used Google to search for different ways
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  Speaker 2: to obtain money, including duplicating credit cards, robbing coin operated
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  Speaker 2: washing machines, celebrity donations, even finding a sugar daddy. Also,
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  Speaker 2: prosecutors cited Google searches from prom on the Peninsula and
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  Speaker 2: Jim's in the area. Townsend wanted to start a GoFundMe
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  Speaker 2: to raise money for the trip, but she thought her
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  Speaker 2: children would be embarrassed. Are they? Are they more embarrassed
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  Speaker 2: because you're on trial for murder for robbing and killing
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  Speaker 2: a woman so your daughter could go on the cheer trip? Boy,
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  Speaker 2: this is this is mean? Girls? All grown up? Isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Been a pleasure? Been a blast. Thanks to Joe Strucker.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks to you who hung around and put up with
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  Speaker 2: me until the next time. Gary Jeff saying peace out,
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  Speaker 2: like Ryan Seacrest with only about I don't know one
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  Speaker 2: one thousandth of his money. It's eight fifty six. Glenn
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  Speaker 2: back Next on fifty five KARC, the talk
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