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An Update On Crisis Pregnancy Centers · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuffan
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  Speaker 1: Never Told You production of By Heart Radio, and welcome
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  Speaker 1: to an episode that is very timely. So today the
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  Speaker 1: date is October second, twenty twenty five. As we record this,
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  Speaker 1: you can see our past episode that we did on
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  Speaker 1: crisis pregnancy centers or CPCs about this and several episodes
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  Speaker 1: we don't bridget about abortion and tech. But yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: thought we would come back and do an update because
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  Speaker 1: things have changed since we first did that episode. But
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  Speaker 1: before we get into that, let's establish a definition of
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  Speaker 1: what we're talking about. According to Planned Parenthood, Quote, pregnancy
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  Speaker 1: centers also called CPCs, unregulated pregnancy centers or UPCs, or
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  Speaker 1: fake clinics are clinics or mobile vans that look like
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  Speaker 1: real health centers, but they're run by anti abortion activists
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  Speaker 1: who have a shady, harmful agenda to scare, shame, or
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  Speaker 1: pressure you out of getting an abortion, and to tell
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  Speaker 1: lies about abortion, birth control, and sexual health. Most crisis
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  Speaker 1: pregnancy centers aren't legitimate medical clinics, so they don't have
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  Speaker 1: to abide by HIPPA and keep your information private like
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  Speaker 1: most real healthcare providers do. These crisis pregnancy centers could
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  Speaker 1: even give your information to other anti abortion organizations or
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  Speaker 1: use it to harass you. This could be especially concerning
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  Speaker 1: if you live in a state with anti abortion laws.
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  Speaker 1: They're typically conservative and faith based. They look like real clinics,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of times are purposefully located next to
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  Speaker 1: legitimate clinics or college campuses. Basically, they'll promise you all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of support in return for watching their educational and
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  Speaker 1: heavy quotes, movies, or lectures, and often it's all all
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  Speaker 1: of it's a lie. Like the movies, the lectures, the
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  Speaker 1: promise of supplies, none of it's true, and they will
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  Speaker 1: not help you get an abortion or birth control. While
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  Speaker 1: the staff present themselves as medical professionals, they dress like
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  Speaker 1: medical professionals, many of them are anti abortionists with zero training.
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  Speaker 1: They feed patients false information about how abortions lead to cancer,
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  Speaker 1: They show them these scary videos, They give them incorrect
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  Speaker 1: do dates because they want to stall those that come
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  Speaker 1: in looking for reproductive care so that they fall outside
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  Speaker 1: the legal abortion window or scare them out of pursuing
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  Speaker 1: it at all. The longer someone waits to get an abortion,
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  Speaker 1: the more risks there are of complications as well, health
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  Speaker 1: complications as well as the goal comps. Recent reports indicate
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  Speaker 1: that these centers outnumber abortion clinics three to one, and
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  Speaker 1: those numbers probably need revising upwards, and they disproportionately impact
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  Speaker 1: black women, low income women, and teens who lack access.
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  Speaker 1: These groups are also the most likely to seek abortions,
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  Speaker 1: in part because of lack of access and healthcare cost.
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  Speaker 1: Lack of sex education is also a factor, in particular
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to young folks. On top of outwardly
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  Speaker 1: looking like an abortion clinic, they advertise low cost ultrasounds
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  Speaker 1: and tests, which get a lot of people to come in.
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  Speaker 1: They also offer a sort of baby books system where
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  Speaker 1: you can earn points to buy things like diapers by
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  Speaker 1: going to Bible school or attending their classes. The people
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  Speaker 1: who run these clinics know that the US has a
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  Speaker 1: deeply unequal healthcare system and they use that to their advantage.
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  Speaker 2: Right and the numbers of these clinics only grew after
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  Speaker 2: a ro Vie Wade was overturned, and this is according
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  Speaker 2: to the Guardian. They're now quote at least twenty five
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  Speaker 2: hundred CPCs as compared to just seven hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 2: five abortion clinics in the US, and as more and
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  Speaker 2: more stories were coming out about women being forced to
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  Speaker 2: carry out fatal, doomed pregnancies. After Roe was overturned, Republicans
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  Speaker 2: wanted to reframe the issue and show how much they
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  Speaker 2: quote cared about women's health with CPCs. Again reminder, they
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  Speaker 2: do not have to have any kind of medical professional
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  Speaker 2: in there.
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  Speaker 1: Nope.
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  Speaker 2: Not sure how that's going to help or show how
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  Speaker 2: they care. So it's kind of odd, but you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and this got to the point that CPCs
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  Speaker 1: are featured in a crossover episode between Station nineteen and
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  Speaker 1: Grey's Anatomy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, I've seen it on several different other ones too,
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  Speaker 2: Like I feel like SVU may have featured it, or
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  Speaker 2: maybe it was Criminal Minds. It was something interesting. They
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  Speaker 2: do have a moment where they'd show where teenagers are
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  Speaker 2: being forced to have children in people's tax dicks in
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  Speaker 2: order to get them to force them to have babies.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, this was news to me. This was news
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  Speaker 1: to me. Okay, So this brings us to the updates.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going to do this a bit differently than
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  Speaker 1: how I normally structure outlines, because this was the one
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  Speaker 1: that I started this outline. Normally I try to do
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  Speaker 1: it chronologically, but because all of this is happening at once,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't gonna work that way.
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  Speaker 2: So because the whole thing is chaotic and they do
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  Speaker 2: this on purpose, they did this on purpose, and it
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  Speaker 2: feels cyclical. Butt it out of ordered way. So that
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  Speaker 2: feels right.
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  Speaker 1: Annie, Yeah, it does feel right. So we're gonna go
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  Speaker 1: by like bullet points of updates. Okay, So first bullet
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  Speaker 1: point is that we the American people, are funding these
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  Speaker 1: with our taxpayer dollars. While about eighty seven percent of
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  Speaker 1: funding comes from private donations, a disturbing amount comes from
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  Speaker 1: our government. Between twenty seventeen and twenty twenty three, CPCs
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  Speaker 1: received federal funding upwards of four hundred million dollars, and
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  Speaker 1: that's according to a twenty twenty four study. This money
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  Speaker 1: comes with little to no official oversight. In our state
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  Speaker 1: of Georgia alone, an annual two million dollars in government
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  Speaker 1: funding goes to CPCs. This while pregnant people are dying
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  Speaker 1: due to delays and care our refusal to provide it.
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  Speaker 1: Between twenty twenty one and twenty twenty four, twenty one
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  Speaker 1: states also provided funding. Texas and Florida provide the most
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  Speaker 1: Texas by far the most. Like shockingly, it's huge the gap.
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  Speaker 2: I don't feel like that's shocking. I guess I'm just
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  Speaker 2: more shocked that the numbers for everybody else wasn't higher.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I thought Florida would be closer to Texas, really,
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  Speaker 1: but Texas far and away.
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  Speaker 2: And it may have something to do with the fact
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  Speaker 2: that Mexico. They're on the border with Mexico, which does
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  Speaker 2: give a little more access to a few of people.
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  Speaker 2: That could be a whole different conversation that we have,
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  Speaker 2: because Florida has Georgia, which is outlawed abortions as well,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, Southern area is not doing well well,
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  Speaker 2: Southeast area is not doing well in general, I say,
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  Speaker 2: crying in my own stuff, okay, yeah, And to be clear,
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  Speaker 2: even without our tax dollars, this is a billion dollar industry.
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  Speaker 2: But I do want to help point out one thing.
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  Speaker 2: One of the reasons that we've brought this subject back
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  Speaker 2: is because in Gwinnett County, which holds a chunk of
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  Speaker 2: Lake refugees and immigrants, a large population of which one
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  Speaker 2: of the Democratic leaders on their board actually voted to
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  Speaker 2: put in I want to say around oh yeah, four
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  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand dollars for specifically this type of programs.
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  Speaker 2: This is our democratic people, by the way, and they
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  Speaker 2: did it very loudly and very proudly. So this is
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  Speaker 2: where we were like, wait, wait, I thought we were
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  Speaker 2: finally to a I say this with like Grandma's to
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  Speaker 2: a point where we understood this was fake and if
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  Speaker 2: people were understanding this was fake anyway back to so,
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two alone, they racked in about one
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  Speaker 2: point seven billion dollars. However, they have not shown any
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  Speaker 2: recent significant increase in customers, despite tax filing showing their
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  Speaker 2: spending went up by forty five percent. Suspicials.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty suspicious and yeah, if you're wondering, there have
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  Speaker 1: been multiple instances of tax fraud, over billing, and other
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  Speaker 1: criminal activities in CPCs. The government continues to block any
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  Speaker 1: legislation regulating or overseeing these CPCs, including aimed at protecting
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  Speaker 1: the privacy of adults and children, because it could have
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  Speaker 1: led to the closure of thousands of CPCs. So basically,
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  Speaker 1: people were trying to get this law passed that would
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  Speaker 1: protect people's privacy, but in doing so, it would have
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  Speaker 1: shut down these CPCs, and they didn't want the CPCs
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  Speaker 1: to be shut down.
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  Speaker 2: All right, because they want that information to the continue
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  Speaker 2: harassing women and those who can get pregnant. Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, In fact, Project twenty twenty five, which if you
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  Speaker 1: somehow blessedly don't know, was this whole thing that was
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  Speaker 1: like a super long document that Trump's people put together
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  Speaker 1: for when they were right when he got elected they
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  Speaker 1: were going to start doing.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, Trump just acknowledged it efficiently and
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  Speaker 2: bringing in the person who helped create it to start
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  Speaker 2: doing things as the government is currently shut down.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, this document included a whole section on abortion
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  Speaker 1: data and reporting. Multiple states have introduced and sometimes passed
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  Speaker 1: legislations that would make abortion documents available to the public
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  Speaker 1: because they aren't health records, because it's not an actual
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  Speaker 1: medical facility, legalizing the collection and publishing abortion data, labeling
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  Speaker 1: the abortion pill as a controlled substance and therefore trackable,
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  Speaker 1: and collecting data on pregnant folks. And they frame all
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  Speaker 1: these things through the lens of protecting women of course.
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  Speaker 1: So there's that. Then, as recently mentioned, Google I made
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  Speaker 1: about ten million dollars running ads for these fake clinics
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  Speaker 1: from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty three, CPCs ran
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  Speaker 1: about ten point two million dollars of ads on Google.
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  Speaker 1: Several people reported feeling tricks or miss led by these ads.
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  Speaker 1: According to the Center for Countering Digital Hate, these ads
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  Speaker 1: were clicked on about thirteen million times. About forty percent
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  Speaker 1: of them contained the phrase abortion pill reversal, which is
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  Speaker 1: a completely fake thing that promises to reverse an abortion.
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  Speaker 1: Google also accepted grants from the CPC organizations.
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  Speaker 2: Just I know people don't research things, but in what
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  Speaker 2: world do they think a reverse abortion? If they think
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  Speaker 2: abortion is killing babies, how does the reverse work?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's it's so depressing in a lot
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  Speaker 1: of ways because it's like, we don't get the sex education,
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  Speaker 1: we don't have the facial.
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  Speaker 2: Psychicommon sense unless they're saying they're Jesus, as they believe,
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  Speaker 2: who can bring back the dead, supposedly in which the rapture,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, has been re redated to think October
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  Speaker 2: fifth or was our sex Oh soon? Maybe I'm raw
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  Speaker 2: I forgot, but now it's read in October anyway, going
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  Speaker 2: back to I don't understand, I don't understand. Yeah, maybe
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  Speaker 2: that's what it is. They're promising a miracles somehow of
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  Speaker 2: things that's not in existence.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, exactly so.
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  Speaker 2: According to Jessica Valentia, the largest CPC network in the US,
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  Speaker 2: Heartbeat International, suffered a massive data breach in twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: There are numerous reasons why this is incredibly dangerous right now,
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  Speaker 2: I think that's self explanatory, but you know so from
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  Speaker 2: Miss magazine, HBI staff conducting online trainings on the next
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  Speaker 2: level client management software exposed UPC client's personal information including
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  Speaker 2: marital status, living situation, and a map showing where they live.
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  Speaker 2: And private health information including date of last menstrual period,
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  Speaker 2: do date, privacy tests, and ultrasound results. There's so many
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  Speaker 2: bad things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean, and that's like again, if you
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  Speaker 1: if you go in, they are trying to trick you.
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  Speaker 1: They're trying to make look like they're a real clinic.
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  Speaker 1: And if you go in and you assume that like
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  Speaker 1: a real clinic, there are these rules they're supposed to
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  Speaker 1: abide by regarding your privacy and your data, and they
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  Speaker 1: don't have to invite by them, right and the fact
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  Speaker 1: that like a map showing where they live.
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  Speaker 2: Because there's something were to go wrong, and this includes
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  Speaker 2: people who have health complications and many of the people
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  Speaker 2: who can get pregnant, they have a miscarriage or some
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  Speaker 2: type of uh you know, for many some type of
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  Speaker 2: something go wrong doing their pregnancy. They can be immediately
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  Speaker 2: targeted as someone who may woo, may be accused of
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  Speaker 2: of abortion and without being illegal and as in fact,
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  Speaker 2: we've seen many of phrases being turned recently where they
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  Speaker 2: talk about baby found in closets or baby found in
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  Speaker 2: trash cans and it turned out to be fetus that
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  Speaker 2: have been a miscarriage, and then people being charged. That's
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  Speaker 2: really terrifying.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I'm I know singing to the choir here,
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  Speaker 1: but just again, as someone who recently went to the hospital,
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  Speaker 1: they ask you, like when was your last menstruation? That
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  Speaker 1: means so many different That could mean a million things.
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  Speaker 1: That's not really an indicator. I feel like even friends
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  Speaker 1: I have who are pretty regular still have irregularity. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: I was.
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  Speaker 2: Never normal, Like if there is such a thing, I've
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  Speaker 2: never had this calendar thing everybody talked about like, oh
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  Speaker 2: they kept calendars, was like for what? Like it didn't
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  Speaker 2: make sense because I I would be all over the
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  Speaker 2: board like it. Sometimes I felt like I was having
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  Speaker 2: it every other week, and of course that's a bigger
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  Speaker 2: conversation about bigger problems that they don't talk about enough
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  Speaker 2: and they don't tell you as a problem, yes, staring
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  Speaker 2: out into the world.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, exactly. I mean that's I've said before on
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  Speaker 1: here that of the first time I went to the
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  Speaker 1: guy to college is he told me you're pregnant. I
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  Speaker 1: was like no, And I took another test and told me, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're pregnant. He's gonna call my dad is crying. And
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  Speaker 1: I just now had a friend be like, no, that's
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  Speaker 1: actually a thing, and he should have told you it
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  Speaker 1: can mean all these other health issues.
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  Speaker 2: But he told you. He probably didn't know because he's
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  Speaker 2: not educated enough, because he doesn't that women's health is
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  Speaker 2: not exactly enough exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And that's kind of the thing is like, clearly, I
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  Speaker 1: mean clearly this is both done to control people's bodies,
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  Speaker 1: but it's also done it like it's coming from people
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  Speaker 1: who know nothing.
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  Speaker 2: About it, right, like nothing and don't care enough.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, not at all. Okay, moving on to a
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  Speaker 1: different point than data collection, stricter abortion laws and reduced
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  Speaker 1: access to the anti abortion pill and health this is
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  Speaker 1: a big thing there is and has been a concerted
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  Speaker 1: push to eliminate abortion altogether, and a lot of it
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  Speaker 1: does rely on the same misinformation and disinformation these CPCs use,
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  Speaker 1: and as more and more abortion clinics shutter their doors,
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  Speaker 1: people especially those who can't afford to travel elsewhere to
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  Speaker 1: where it might be legal, can grow more and more desperate.
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  Speaker 1: In Texas, for example, there are zero abortion clinics and
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  Speaker 1: almost two hundred CPCs on top of that. Pretty immediately
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  Speaker 1: after the twenty twenty five US presidential election, anti abortionist
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  Speaker 1: work calling for the federal government to defund Planned Parenthood,
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  Speaker 1: which they recently pretty much did, encouraging states to defund
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  Speaker 1: any organization they didn't agree with, and allowing them to
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  Speaker 1: strip Planned Parenthood of the ability to accept Medicaid, which
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people use. Well, we'll see, but at
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  Speaker 1: this point and they said, use that money instead for CPCs,
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  Speaker 1: And this could essentially force people with no other options
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  Speaker 1: into the CPCs. And we already know that we have
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  Speaker 1: one of the highest maternal death rates for a developed
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  Speaker 1: nation in the world, and that disproportionately impacts black women,
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  Speaker 1: and this exacerbates all of that. Between twenty nineteen and
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, the maternal mortality rate in Texas went
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  Speaker 1: up by fifty six percent, and as we know, some
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  Speaker 1: states are making it harder to collect that data at all,
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  Speaker 1: so I can't even get to that. And this has
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  Speaker 1: also led to a care crisis, a situation in which
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  Speaker 1: newly graduated medical students do not want to work in
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  Speaker 1: states with abortion bands because they could get in trouble.
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  Speaker 1: This is completely understandable, and it makes the healthcare gap worse.
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  Speaker 1: So yep, but you know, this has been a lot
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  Speaker 1: of doom and gloom. And I want to say, like
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  Speaker 1: I did read from a lot of people who went
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  Speaker 1: into a CPC, and it was usually they said it
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  Speaker 1: was the you know, free ultrasound or something like that,
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  Speaker 1: and they went in and felt so pressured and so
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  Speaker 1: angry when they learned what it was. But I'm very
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  Speaker 1: sad for the people who it took too long for
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  Speaker 1: them to realize this was a fake. But I am
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  Speaker 1: glad there were a lot of cases of people being like, no,
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  Speaker 1: that I knew it was not like it's just something
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  Speaker 1: felt wrong about it. They weren't listening to.
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  Speaker 2: Me, they were just arguing with me the entire time.
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  Speaker 2: Or I know, if I haven't seen several like where's
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  Speaker 2: your husband, where's your boyfriend? Have talked to your boyfriend?
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  Speaker 2: We need we need to I think if we add
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  Speaker 2: some ones that I had required that either the boyfriend
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  Speaker 2: or a guardian have to be present with them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but and they rightfully were again furious and upset.
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  Speaker 1: And it just feels like it just feels like it
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  Speaker 1: should be illegal. If I'm going into a place it's
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  Speaker 1: purposely trying to trick me that it is a legit
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  Speaker 1: medical place that doesn't feel like it should be legal
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  Speaker 1: at all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Well, we know seeing like pharmacists who have refused
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  Speaker 2: to give Plan b H, which is by the way,
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  Speaker 2: a whole different conversation because it's not even as effective
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  Speaker 2: as this she could be as it should be anyway.
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  Speaker 2: But all that, and then like other actual health care
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  Speaker 2: providers providing to start us. And then we know that
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  Speaker 2: small areas and hospitals. I believe there was a rule.
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  Speaker 2: I know there was a rural one hospital women's center
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  Speaker 2: that left their town the only one accessible for like
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  Speaker 2: fifty miles round and they could not do their job,
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  Speaker 2: so they left. And of course the government Georgia government
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  Speaker 2: is blaming medicaid medicare oddly, which once again Kemp has
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  Speaker 2: been very proudly talking about how he denied access or
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: denied more funds from the Biden administration and now they're
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  Speaker 2: cut completely because of the big beautiful bill. So it's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: We knew that we know how this works, but because
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  Speaker 2: of things like that. But what is opening up are
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  Speaker 2: things like CPCs instead.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and again like even before this, uh, not everyone
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  Speaker 1: could afford, not everyone could travel, and there was there's
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  Speaker 1: a rural healthcare crisis. This has been for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: So this is only making things worse. There are attempts
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  Speaker 1: to push back. There's been a lot of them. I
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  Speaker 1: only have a few in here, but there are a lot,
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  Speaker 1: and that's from organizations and reporters, people doing this work
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  Speaker 1: and making sure we know about it, and some government officials.
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  Speaker 1: In May of twenty twenty four, New York Attorney General
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  Speaker 1: Letitia James suit twelve CPCs for deceptive marketing practices. In
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  Speaker 1: March of twenty twenty five, Hawaii's House of Representatives introduced
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  Speaker 1: a resolution to investigate whether or not CPCs were violating
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  Speaker 1: patients rights to privacy, particularly by implying that they are
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  Speaker 1: covered by HIPPA because some of them do imply it
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  Speaker 1: when they're not, and also by retaining and collecting patient data.
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  Speaker 1: And recent surveys indicate that seventy five percent of those
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  Speaker 1: asks to want CPCs to be regulated. This is one
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  Speaker 1: of the like beautiful, frustrating things I find a lot
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  Speaker 1: with so many of these issues where like most people
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  Speaker 1: don't agree with.
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  Speaker 2: Them rights like this is this is what I feel
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  Speaker 2: like we are in the state of politics. Like every
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  Speaker 2: time I see international level of like social media posts
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  Speaker 2: and they're like, what is wrong with y'all talking to
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  Speaker 2: the US in general? And we get that from states
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  Speaker 2: that are blue to Georgia, like why would you let
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  Speaker 2: this happened? You voted for this and are like, no,
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  Speaker 2: we didn't, we didn't. The amount of jayman ring, the
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  Speaker 2: amount of like unofficial routes of how things have happened
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  Speaker 2: in our elections, and how like do processes completely out
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  Speaker 2: the window now, Like there's so many things that I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: why are y'all not understanding the bigger picture in this
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  Speaker 2: conversation about who is controlling what and that the majority
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  Speaker 2: of people are really unhappy unhappy. There is a chunk
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  Speaker 2: of people who are blindly saying yay, we're getting all
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  Speaker 2: these things done, and I'm like, yeah, nothing is showing
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  Speaker 2: that our economy is awful. Everything is increasing, the job
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  Speaker 2: market has gotten worse. All these numbers are showing we
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  Speaker 2: are not doing good. We are not doing well in general.
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  Speaker 2: And yet they want to again blame the whole, when
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  Speaker 2: it's the whole that are like, no, but we didn't
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  Speaker 2: want this, We tried to fight this. I don't understand
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  Speaker 2: what is happening. And this is that same conversation with
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  Speaker 2: abortion too. For the last few years, probably the last
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  Speaker 2: ten years, people started to understand choice. Oh, that's what
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about. Choice to have a family, choice to
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  Speaker 2: try to do these things through surrogacy or through IVF,
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  Speaker 2: or choosing not to have children from jump, by having
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  Speaker 2: better access to birth control, or actually having health care
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  Speaker 2: at the beginning, to make sure everybody is safe so
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  Speaker 2: those who choose to can live a healthy life. This
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  Speaker 2: is the main Like it started going that way for
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  Speaker 2: about split second and then all of a sudden, it
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  Speaker 2: just imploded. And I say all of a sudden, It's
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  Speaker 2: not all of a sudden, It's been planned. It's been
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  Speaker 2: a planned attack that happened in a way that they
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  Speaker 2: had to first rig the system within. Like I know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking to our own people, but just just just
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  Speaker 2: in case the international people who are like, what is
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  Speaker 2: wrong with y'all? Do tune in because we have discovered
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  Speaker 2: we are internationally syndicated. Is that the word internationally release
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  Speaker 2: published release syndicated broadcasts. Hey, Argentina sometimes listened to us.
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  Speaker 2: We found Brazil listen to us. Hey South Korea listens
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  Speaker 2: tore us. Because we've got a few people anyway back
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  Speaker 2: to so all of these things are not something that
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  Speaker 2: we had any control of. What has happened is people
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  Speaker 2: have gotten money, and the rich keep getting richer and
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  Speaker 2: using that rich funds in order to get things that
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  Speaker 2: they want done and what they want done. And who
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  Speaker 2: is getting rich are white men in general, like who
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  Speaker 2: give NOx about anybody else? And the people who are
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  Speaker 2: sucking up to them think that they're going to be
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  Speaker 2: pulled up with them. And I say that for the
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  Speaker 2: people who are pocs as well as the marginalized. They
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  Speaker 2: don't understand, you're they're not gonna pick us, No, they're
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  Speaker 2: going to use us and then dismiss us whatever that
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  Speaker 2: looks like, how harsh that might look, and the first
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  Speaker 2: to go are those that are the most marginalized because
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  Speaker 2: it's easy. It's easy to do that. That has been
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  Speaker 2: in the playbook from jump. So when we say this
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  Speaker 2: was not our choice, a chunk of people, a chunk
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  Speaker 2: of the population, even in the state of Georgia. This
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  Speaker 2: is why we turned purple for us, like deep deep purple,
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  Speaker 2: because we understood that. But once they realized that it's
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  Speaker 2: giving too many to the people, too much power, they
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  Speaker 2: gerrymandered the hell out of it. And then they went
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  Speaker 2: back to the court, which has been handed to a
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  Speaker 2: very conservative, right winged group of people, to undo all
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  Speaker 2: of those things that have brought a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: equity for us, including protecting our own health and body.
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  Speaker 2: That's just the bigger part. And we would love for
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  Speaker 2: people to understand the CPCs are not something that people
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  Speaker 2: would actually choose. I don't even think people who are conservative, pregnant,
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  Speaker 2: conservative people would not go to them by choice. That's
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  Speaker 2: not a thing. People who are desperate as who are
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  Speaker 2: being sent there and then held much captive.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're completely right, nobody's going there by choice.
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  Speaker 2: No, this is a desperation like because they're trying to
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  Speaker 2: find assistance. And I've seen many of people actually talk
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  Speaker 2: about how they were promised car seats, how they were
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  Speaker 2: promised formula, how they were promised diapers that afterwards that
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  Speaker 2: they could come back to them, but that turns out
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  Speaker 2: not to be true manya cases. And of course that's
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  Speaker 2: in general, like any system is really gross, like WICK,
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  Speaker 2: which is for women and children and given to any
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  Speaker 2: and every person who has children that can only lasts
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  Speaker 2: for what four years? Yeah, it's not it's very short.
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  Speaker 2: It's very short, and all you can get is milk
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  Speaker 2: and diapers. Like it's so such a small amount of
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  Speaker 2: things that you can get, and it has to be approved,
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  Speaker 2: it has to say, Wick approved. Like the amount of
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  Speaker 2: like desperation that we as a society have been in
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  Speaker 2: even before this has been appalling, and so that they're
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  Speaker 2: trying to rip away even more from the most destitute
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  Speaker 2: of people is what's most horrifying. And the CPCs have
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  Speaker 2: popped up and have been giving hundreds of thousands of
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  Speaker 2: dollars per county when that's not what people.
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  Speaker 1: Need or what they want exactly.
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  Speaker 2: This is an act of hostage. We are like we
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  Speaker 2: the people who are able to be pregnant and aren't
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  Speaker 2: marginalized are being held hostage within our government. Like, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how it is but that, but you're right,
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  Speaker 2: there's still good things happening. Again, the majority of us
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  Speaker 2: do not believe in this, but we've seen protests happen,
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  Speaker 2: and I hope and that's always been kind of like.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, the bigger protests are the anti abortion people, antichoys,
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  Speaker 2: people who come in front of abortion clinics which actually
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  Speaker 2: have to be so heavily regulated and they get no funding. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that is unreal. But the CPCs, there are those who
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  Speaker 2: are out there trying to talk about the truth about
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  Speaker 2: what is happening and who they are. Like the amount
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  Speaker 2: of pushback that that counselor got un least she's a
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  Speaker 2: city councilor for allowing that, going against the people who
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  Speaker 2: voted for her, and they were very loud about that.
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  Speaker 2: That's what brought attention to some of this conversation is
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  Speaker 2: people were very loud about what are you doing? So
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  Speaker 2: the very least at least we can hold our own accountable,
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  Speaker 2: which we will, which is part of the problems to
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  Speaker 2: the other side. Don't care. But anyway, there are some
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  Speaker 2: things I think trying to find the brighter side in
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  Speaker 2: a very ekey yucky moment, there is still people who
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  Speaker 2: are loud about the fact that they do see so
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  Speaker 2: much wrong with the system.
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