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Chuck & Buck 10-21 hour 2: 12th man news with Gregg Bell, Cal's postgame thoughts and the ABCs of the Mariners. · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: And now probably the final play of the quarter is
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Speaker 1: a first down and ten at the eleven. Donald under center.
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Speaker 1: He's got Walker behind him, motion three steps to his left.
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Speaker 1: Darnald to throw on first down looking for the end zone.
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Speaker 2: Crows get Smith and Jacob with the catch, and then
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Speaker 2: he slams the football over the upright to celebrate the touchdown.
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Speaker 1: Thirteen nothing Seattle. The flags fly for the dunk of
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Speaker 1: the football over the gold post, but Jackson, Smith and
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Speaker 1: Jigba does not care at all. His fourth touchdown catch
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Speaker 1: of the year had a fifteen yard penalty for the
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Speaker 1: slam dunk. Second down and goal from the two a
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Speaker 1: minute to play. Third quarter offsetbacks, this time Arroyo in motion,
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Speaker 1: the turn and the give to Charbonnet stutter step kind.
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Speaker 2: Of burst into the in zone for a Seattle touchdown
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Speaker 2: twenty six to twelve Seattle as Sex sharpa day first
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Speaker 2: over the left side for six.
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Speaker 3: Good Tuesday morning to you all, Chuck Powle, Buggy, Jacobson,
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Speaker 3: Ashley Ryan with you, and yes, I understand why Ashley
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Speaker 3: played football highlights coming out of the break. Seahawks do
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Speaker 3: win last night by a final score twenty seven to nineteen.
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Speaker 3: Oh The Texans moved to five and two before the bye.
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Speaker 3: Jackson Smith and Jigba another big game, eight catches, one
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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty three yards and a touchdown. We'll talk
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Speaker 3: with Greg Bell here in no matter seconds about what
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Speaker 3: he saw last night on Monday Night Football. The Lions
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Speaker 3: also played on Monday Night Football and one over the
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Speaker 3: Tampa Bay Buccaneers by a final score of twenty four
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Speaker 3: to nine. Husky's a host Illinois Saturday at twelve thirty
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Speaker 3: part of our Frost Brewed Corps Light Shoes Chill headlines
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Speaker 3: before we get to Greg crack and fall to the
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Speaker 3: Flyers first real loss of the year, five to two
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Speaker 3: to the Flyers. Joey Decord did not have it last night.
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Speaker 3: Team will play again tonight at Washington. They'll drop the
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Speaker 3: Pucket four o'clock. Sounders will be starting their playoff round
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Speaker 3: Monday evening six o'clock in Minnesota against Minnesota United. Speaking
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Speaker 3: of starting, the NBA season gets started tonight with two
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Speaker 3: games Houston at OKC and Golden State at the Lakers.
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Speaker 3: Lebron will not play in that game. The games will
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Speaker 3: be on NBC and Peacock and of course Major League Baseball.
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Speaker 3: The Mariners lose for the Toronto Blue Jays, the fall
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Speaker 3: one game shy of the World Series, really three innings
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Speaker 3: shy of the World Series, a three run bottom of
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Speaker 3: the seventh home run from all people, George Springer, the
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Speaker 3: difference in the game crushing laws certainly for the city,
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Speaker 3: for the clubhouse.
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Speaker 4: And we of course aren't.
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Speaker 3: Celebrating today instead wringing our hands a little bit. But
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Speaker 3: we will talk a lot about it throughout the course
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Speaker 3: of our day together.
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Speaker 4: But right now, let's bring in Greg Bell.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. I made it worse, didn't it. That they were
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Speaker 5: leading and in control of the game and winning their
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Speaker 5: way with pitching and home runs, and it was just
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Speaker 5: lining up there and yeah, I'm sure you're already discussing
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Speaker 5: Bizardo over.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah.
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Speaker 3: What was your biggest takeaway from it all last night
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Speaker 3: from what you could see as you were doing your
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Speaker 3: main job.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I had most of my attention on the Mariners, honestly,
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Speaker 5: and I missed most of the game right below me.
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Speaker 5: Such a unique situation. That whole thing for the hour
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Speaker 5: and a half was just I've never been in something
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Speaker 5: like that, But at the time I thought they should
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Speaker 5: have kept Wooing. He just struck out Springer the previous
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Speaker 5: at bat. I know there's all kinds of analytics that
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Speaker 5: they rely on about second and third times through orders
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Speaker 5: with pitchers usually second in the relief game, and I
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Speaker 5: think they were too wedded to that, and sometimes you
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Speaker 5: just gotta trust your eyes and your gut and go
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Speaker 5: with the all star starter instead of a I know
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Speaker 5: Bizardo's had a really out of nowhere season and been
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Speaker 5: very good for them, but he really probably is your
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Speaker 5: fifth or sixth best option of everybody on the pitching staff,
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Speaker 5: including starters, including Luis Castillo and Bryce Miller who were
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Speaker 5: in play as well. Wouldn't mind seeing Moonios in that situation.
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Speaker 5: I mean, that's the top of the order with tu
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Speaker 5: On in the World Series at stake, So what it's
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Speaker 5: the seventh ending, right, And that's not we said it.
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Speaker 5: I said it in the press box to everybody sitting
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Speaker 5: next to me. I said, what are they doing? Not bizarre,
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Speaker 5: not bizaro? Uh yeah, just that was my reaction. But
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Speaker 5: it was, like I said, it was they still overswing. Yeah,
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Speaker 5: that's who they are, but it was working the two
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Speaker 5: strikes with home runs and pitching, and they were the
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Speaker 5: blueprint to winning was there, and that's really frustrating. And
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Speaker 5: I feel for all the Mariner fans in the Pacific Northwest,
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Speaker 5: and if you can take a step back, this really
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Speaker 5: was a special season. They don't get to the World Series,
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Speaker 5: only two do and they still haven't gone. But I
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Speaker 5: still contend that the GNO Grand Slam will go down
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Speaker 5: in Seattle sports lower history and be the memory of
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Speaker 5: this postseason run that they were on. And they still
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Speaker 5: did something no Mariner team's done and around here that's
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Speaker 5: that's something.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it was an unfortunate way for it
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Speaker 6: to end, but it is what it is.
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Speaker 7: I mean, it was lucky.
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Speaker 5: What would you have done in that situation?
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Speaker 7: Would I would have left wo win to pitch to Springer?
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Speaker 6: I mean, it's we've talked about it already, but the
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Speaker 6: idea of if hitters get ready to walk up to
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Speaker 6: the dish and he sees the manager come out and
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Speaker 6: take out a guy that made me look silly before,
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Speaker 6: I'm probably going I don't care who you bring in,
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Speaker 6: but I'm happy that you're not leaving him in. And so,
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Speaker 6: I mean, the unfortunate part, that's the part that sucks
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Speaker 6: the most is the wondering what if and I mean,
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Speaker 6: in an alternate universe, Bizarta comes in there and punches
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Speaker 6: out Springer and you know, and however, it unfolds it
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Speaker 6: a different way and we're talking about something different.
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Speaker 7: But it didn't.
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Speaker 6: They didn't execute, and the Toronto Blue Jays did over
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Speaker 6: the course of seven games, more.
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Speaker 5: So Springer of all people, Yeah, exactly. I mean, just.
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Speaker 3: Creig Bell is with us, our Seahawks insider. You also
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Speaker 3: doubled throughout the postseason, following the Mariners through the playoffs
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Speaker 3: as well for the News Tribune, and so we have
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Speaker 3: been talking with him Mariners baseball just about every segment
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Speaker 3: as well as Seahawks football here for the last couple
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Speaker 3: of weeks. But we did have a victory last night
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Speaker 3: on the grid iron last night Loomanfield Rock and for
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Speaker 3: the Seahawks win over the Houston Texans. Jackson Smith and
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Speaker 3: Jigba just incredible again. Eight catches, one hundred and twenty
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Speaker 3: three yards a touchdown. He is one hundred and ninety
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Speaker 3: yards above Jamar Chase for first place in receiving yards
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Speaker 3: in the National Football League. I mean, are we talking
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Speaker 3: about having the best receiver in the NFL. Is that
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Speaker 3: how special this guy is turning out to beat at
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Speaker 3: the moment.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you can probably argue Justin Jefferson Jamar
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Speaker 5: Chase over the aggrey of the longer haul and proven
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Speaker 5: over time. But over the seven games of this season, yes,
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Speaker 5: we are home to the best NFL's best receiver. He's
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Speaker 5: getting open no matter what. Last night, Houston had cloud
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Speaker 5: coverage of the safety over the top and the corn underneath.
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Speaker 5: Sometimes they just flat out doubled him. He beats him inside,
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Speaker 5: he beats him outside. He beats him on fourth and one,
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Speaker 5: he beats him on first and ten, and Darnold realized it,
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Speaker 5: and he looks for him all the time. I mean
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Speaker 5: sudden change plays deep down the field, shot to Smith
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Speaker 5: and Jiguba fourth and one, a roll out the tight
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Speaker 5: end in the flat. He doesn't throw to Barner, he
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Speaker 5: throws ten fifteen yards behind him in the same direction.
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Speaker 5: On a boot leg to the left, he goes for
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Speaker 5: the deeper option of eighteen yards. I asked Donald after
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Speaker 5: the game specifically about that play in the fourth quarter,
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Speaker 5: because almost every NFL quarterback will just dump it into
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Speaker 5: the flat for a safe couple of yard gain on
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Speaker 5: fourth and short, and Donald told me he surmised as
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Speaker 5: he looked at Barner that he thought the linebacker was
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Speaker 5: going to tackle him immediately upon the catch, and in
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Speaker 5: Donald's destination. He wasn't sure that it would have been
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Speaker 5: to the line to gain for the first down. It
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Speaker 5: was that close to him, so he went for the
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Speaker 5: surer thing, and that's how he said, that's my progression,
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Speaker 5: but that's how good Smith and Jigbait is. The surer
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Speaker 5: thing is a twenty yard pass instead of a two
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Speaker 5: yard pass. That's how good Smith and Jigbit has been.
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Speaker 5: And my favorite moment, once i'd middle of the second
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Speaker 5: quarter turned my attention to the game I'm actually being
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Speaker 5: paid to cover, was when Smith and Jigger got stiff
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Speaker 5: armed by Stingley after Stingley intercepted the pass in the
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Speaker 5: fourth quarter and popped his helmet off, but Smith and
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Speaker 5: Jig was six foot two hundred pounds, kept playing through
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Speaker 5: the play, pushed Stingley out of bounds without his helmet on.
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Speaker 5: And then Hatless was on the Texans bench with forty
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Speaker 5: five Texans around him and nobody else. There was no
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Speaker 5: Sea Yorks anywhere near, and the Texans are going to
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Speaker 5: take some shots there and one of them did. A
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Speaker 5: linebacker pushes him into the really hard too, from the
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Speaker 5: middle of the middle of the sideline into the bench
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Speaker 5: and literally onto the Texans bench. And he was just
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Speaker 5: sitting there without his helmet on. It was like a
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Speaker 5: junkyard dog was cornered by every other junkyard dog in
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Speaker 5: the city and he was up against the fence. He's
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Speaker 5: just sitting there on the bench without a helmet on.
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Speaker 5: Was about forty Texans surrounding him, and he just sat there,
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Speaker 5: smiling like he was in a park on Sunday, worrying,
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Speaker 5: and didn't do anything, didn't react, did nothing, just sat there.
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Speaker 5: And then I thought Nathan Jones, the field judge, the
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Speaker 5: NFL official, came over and did great preventive officiating if
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Speaker 5: he saw it, he ye just hugged him human shielded him. Yeah,
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Speaker 5: and leaned his body into the bench over at Smith
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Speaker 5: and Jigba so that the players couldn't get to him,
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Speaker 5: and then cool their heads futailed. But after the A
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Speaker 5: McDonald said that he thought Smith and Jigba was amazingly
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Speaker 5: poised in that situation that a lot of players would
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Speaker 5: snapped back, and that had been a big fricus and
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Speaker 5: he would have been outnumbered and potentially injured. He said
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Speaker 5: it was a scary had scene to see his star
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Speaker 5: receiver without a helmet on the other sideline and Smith
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Speaker 5: and Jigger just calmly something say yeah, I'm cool, and
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Speaker 5: just he laughed after the game and said, yeah, I
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Speaker 5: can face that, that's no problem. But he did do
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Speaker 5: right and not reacting there and diffused the whole thing.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Greg, guy, I mean that we've talked and news
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Speaker 6: talked a lot about the run game and then the
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Speaker 6: need to establish it. They rushed for what one hundred
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Speaker 6: and eighteen yards and so was it a highly effective
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Speaker 6: run game that then helped set up the past game
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Speaker 6: when Sam Donald did decide to look at Jackson, Smith
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Speaker 6: and jigback.
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Speaker 5: No, I don't think so, Bucky. I thought it was
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Speaker 5: another game where the numbers belive what actually happened and
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Speaker 5: what it felt like the game went in running the ball,
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Speaker 5: and after the game, McDonald said as much. He said,
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Speaker 5: we're still searching in the run game. The longest most
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Speaker 5: effective run was called back by a holding penalty on
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Speaker 5: Charles Cross. I believe it was in the second half.
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Speaker 5: They couldn't wouldn't at times get Kenneth Walker going. I
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Speaker 5: know they're on a plan set out a thousand times.
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Speaker 5: I'd mentioned how Walker as a foot issue to trying
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Speaker 5: to maintain him and play all seventeen games, But how
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Speaker 5: they're doing it with Charbona and Walker. It's weird how
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Speaker 5: they'll just go Casper mode with Kenneth Walker in the
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Speaker 5: middle of drives that he seems to be effective on
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Speaker 5: a couple of good runs and he's out and you're like,
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Speaker 5: wait a minute, third and short, why is not Walker
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Speaker 5: in there? And Charboney runs into a wall of everybody,
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Speaker 5: even some Charvonay's first touchdown, he got stacked up at
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Speaker 5: the four yard line and he got pushed across the
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Speaker 5: goal line by about six of his teammates for a touchdown.
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Speaker 5: Went from the four to the zero to the goal
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Speaker 5: line for a touchdown. McDonald's keeps saying, and Kobiac keeps
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Speaker 5: saying to us that, you know, Charboney just doesn't have
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Speaker 5: running lines to run to, which is why his yards
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Speaker 5: per carry have been over the season so much below Walkers.
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Speaker 5: And it seems to be true every time, almost every
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Speaker 5: time he gets the ball, he's got nothing. He's got
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Speaker 5: three or four guys in his face. The difference is Walker,
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Speaker 5: when he gets that will at least get you some
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Speaker 5: yards or back to the line of Scrimming's miraculously sometimes
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Speaker 5: because of elusiveness, and Charbonney doesn't seem to have that.
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Speaker 5: I know why they're doing it, but if it were me,
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Speaker 5: I would use Walker more consistently through drives, through red
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Speaker 5: zones and even on some third down plays. Then they've
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Speaker 5: been using him, but they have a longer plan that
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Speaker 5: they're sticking with.
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Speaker 3: Greig Bell is with us our Seahawks insider from the
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Speaker 3: News Tribune. You can follo him at g bel Seattle
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Speaker 3: on X. What does it say about a Mike McDonald
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Speaker 3: team to be five and two going into the break
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Speaker 3: beat on Monday Night football? A pretty good I mean
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Speaker 3: a great defensive team in Houston by eight points, even
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Speaker 3: though you lost the turnover battle minus three.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, that was.
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Speaker 5: They are still prone, including Sam Donald, as as good
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Speaker 5: as he's been to not taking care of the football
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Speaker 5: as much as I mean, he can't lose the ball
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Speaker 5: in the end zone when you're that safety or excuse me,
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Speaker 5: a touchdown and being a touchdown because he dropped the
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Speaker 5: ball would have been a safety on the sack and
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Speaker 5: the end zone in the second half that was on Donald.
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Speaker 5: He had a pocket. Charles Cross was blocking Will Anderson
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Speaker 5: is right below us in the press box, and Cross
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Speaker 5: was winning the one on one. He was still Wallie Anderson,
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Speaker 5: and Donald had a receiver out in the flat. It
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Speaker 5: was his secondary read, it wasn't his primary. But in
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Speaker 5: that situation and in your own end zone, get rid
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Speaker 5: of the ball. And Donald said as much afterwards, but
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Speaker 5: insteaden it wasn't that Donald just didn't get rid of
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Speaker 5: the ball. He didn't. He ran outside the pocket, outside
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Speaker 5: of where Anderson was still a wall by Cross, and
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Speaker 5: Anderson saw it, and Cross didn't realize it. And then
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Speaker 5: Anderson just disengaged from Cross and ran outside away from
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Speaker 5: Cross blocking him, and Donald ran right into the sack.
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Speaker 5: If Donald had stayed inside of Cross, where Cross was
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Speaker 5: winning the battle, there is no sack there. So Donald
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Speaker 5: ran into that sack. And you can't run into a
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Speaker 5: sack in your own end zone, especially then you can't
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Speaker 5: lose the ball. And so that's another example of in
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Speaker 5: a situation where the ball is premium around either goal line,
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Speaker 5: you can't lose it. And that's twice now in this
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Speaker 5: season of course, the forty nine Ers game when Poster
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Speaker 5: knocked the right tackle Abe Lucas into Sam Donald thirty
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Speaker 5: seconds left the game and Donald lose the ball. He
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Speaker 5: just can't do that. You're gonna throw interceptions when you throw,
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Speaker 5: as much as teams doing the NFL, but you just
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Speaker 5: can't lose the ball in your own end zone. And
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Speaker 5: they've got to be concerned about that, the quarterback losing
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Speaker 5: the ball in those situations around the goal line. But
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Speaker 5: you're right, that's telling it to me. The game, the
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Speaker 5: story of the game was the defense. To me, that
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Speaker 5: was a twenty seven to twelve or twenty seven to
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Speaker 5: even six game. They should have enough twenty one three
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Speaker 5: at halftime, and they gave away two six point swings
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Speaker 5: at the end of the first half with the block
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Speaker 5: field goal and then the turnover and the silly Cooper
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Speaker 5: cup end a round pass that I asked McDonald, he said, yeah,
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Speaker 5: we're gonna put that in the freezer. Couple was really
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Speaker 5: upset about that playoff game. He wanted nothing to do
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Speaker 5: with talk about that. He's usually really affable and we'll
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Speaker 5: talk about anything. He said, I do't want to talk
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Speaker 5: about that terrible play by me. I don't want to talk
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Speaker 5: about them. I've already said enough. But yeah, they handed
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Speaker 5: him six points to get back in the game. At halftime,
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Speaker 5: it was fourteen to six because of these handed them
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Speaker 5: two field goals at the end of the half. They
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Speaker 5: were sloppy, but their defense to me dominate the game.
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Speaker 5: They had a meeting night before they always have a
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Speaker 5: team meeting, and the defense got together and said, we
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Speaker 5: want to play to our standard, and our standard is
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Speaker 5: to be the best defense in the NFL. Ers Jones
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Speaker 5: said after the game. That was their mantra. That's what
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Speaker 5: they set as a goal since the first day of
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Speaker 5: OTAs and the Tampa Bay game has stung them. Since
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Speaker 5: the Tampa Bay game, they have dominated two foes and
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Speaker 5: basically given up twelve points in each game except for
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Speaker 5: the garbage time touchdown to the end last night. So
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Speaker 5: the reeve dedicated themselves to being better. They would not
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Speaker 5: let tight the Texans in the end zone for most
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Speaker 5: of that game until two minutes left. They got two
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Speaker 5: goal on stands and tyle Cotta leaping in the end
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Speaker 5: zone to block down a pass the best play as
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Speaker 5: a Seahawk, the third down stop by Bayern Murphy, the
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Speaker 5: fourth down stop the fourth and short by DeMarcus Lawrence
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Speaker 5: and successive plays. They were stingy. That wasn't the best
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Speaker 5: offense in the NFL, but they played last night. But
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Speaker 5: they held another opponent in their sixty yards rushing second
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Speaker 5: in the league in rush defense and allowing our pass
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Speaker 5: rush to get coin.
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Speaker 3: Five turnovers, two hundred yards worth of penalties, four for
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Speaker 3: twenty nine on third down. Sounds like a good game
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Speaker 3: to have missed. You know, if I was gonna miss
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Speaker 3: a Seahawks game, maybe that's the one.
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Speaker 7: I should have missed.
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Speaker 3: That's that sounds like an ugly night and you're just
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Speaker 3: happy to get the w all right, Greg, Well, we'll
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Speaker 3: have all week to discuss this now. We'll do a
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Speaker 3: roundtable on Thursday. We'll bring that back this week and
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Speaker 3: everything else. So we'll let you go for now. But
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Speaker 3: thank you, sir, great stuff.
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Speaker 4: As always appreciate it.
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Speaker 5: Sorry at the Pacific Northwest, that was a sun marin
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Speaker 5: a rite and they always do it and suddenly don't.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt. All right, Greg Bell our Seahawks.
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Speaker 3: Inside of joining us right here on Chucking Buck, you
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Speaker 3: can follow him at g bel Seattle and of course
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Speaker 3: follow his coverage at Thenewstribune dot com. Factor Fiction coming
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Speaker 3: up at seven thirty five, plus Cal Raley. You got
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Speaker 3: to hear the audio from him last night after the game.
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Speaker 3: Sports Radio ninety three point three kh A r F M.
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Speaker 3: Suckie day, just a sucky day, yeah, fact, yeah, But
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Speaker 3: we're talking mostly Mariner baseball here this morning. We will
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Speaker 3: talk more about the Seahawks with Hugh Millen coming up
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Speaker 3: at nine o'clock today. In our entire hour will be
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Speaker 3: some Monday morning quarterback. We'll take a look at that
18:25
Speaker 3: Seahawks game, something that we might not have done had
18:29
Speaker 3: the Mariners won last night and we were in a
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Speaker 3: joyous mood if it were a joyous occasion going on
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Speaker 3: to the World Series for the first time ever. It
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Speaker 3: came up a little bit short. We will play some
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Speaker 3: factor fiction at seven thirty five, but certainly a lot
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Speaker 3: of Seattle sports fans hurting this morning, getting so close
18:46
Speaker 3: to the first ever World Series appearance and missing out
18:50
Speaker 3: with a three run homer late in the contest bottom
18:53
Speaker 3: of the seventh for the Blue Jays that pushed them
18:55
Speaker 3: to the Fall Classic, and so afterwards broken hearts in
19:01
Speaker 3: the locker room and Cal Rawley's might have been the
19:04
Speaker 3: most shattered.
19:05
Speaker 4: Here is the m v P after the game.
19:08
Speaker 8: It just sucks, hurts cool, clearly this is a very
19:17
Speaker 8: emotional times for you and everyone else. Just what's going
19:21
Speaker 8: through your.
19:21
Speaker 1: Mind right now?
19:23
Speaker 9: Uh, just you know, thinking about what we couldn't kid
19:27
Speaker 9: them better? You know, uh, you know you look back
19:34
Speaker 9: a lot of points in the game. Yeah, so you
19:38
Speaker 9: could take Anangos and Eres in a series and yeah, so.
19:47
Speaker 8: Just just disappointed. I'm super proud of these guys. Uh,
19:52
Speaker 8: it was a great too effort. Uh love every guy
19:56
Speaker 8: in this room. For ultimately it's uh, it's uh, you know,
20:02
Speaker 8: no want and it's uh, you know, I hate to
20:06
Speaker 8: use the word failure, but that's a failure.
20:09
Speaker 9: I mean that's what we expected just to get some
20:12
Speaker 9: World series and the World Series and.
20:14
Speaker 8: That's you know what the bars on the Saturdays, and
20:17
Speaker 8: you know, that's what we want to hold ourselves accountable too.
20:19
Speaker 9: But yeah, it's, uh, it.
20:22
Speaker 7: Hurts, and but I don't want to see that to.
20:26
Speaker 9: Take away from you know, like I said, I'm proud
20:28
Speaker 9: of the guys in this room.
20:29
Speaker 4: I would find always to the end.
20:33
Speaker 7: Like I said, it was a great.
20:35
Speaker 9: Drip of guys and I don't.
20:36
Speaker 8: I love every single one of them.
20:38
Speaker 3: You couldn't really make it out in just the audio.
20:41
Speaker 3: Maybe he could, but you could see in the video, Uh,
20:44
Speaker 3: he had just been crying to tell his eyes were red,
20:47
Speaker 3: still had watery eyes, and he started to get choked
20:50
Speaker 3: up talking about it a couple of times. So, uh,
20:53
Speaker 3: in case you ever wondered if they care count Yeah, yeah,
20:57
Speaker 3: well he cares a lot. He's not disappointed because his
21:01
Speaker 3: season came to an end. He's disappointed because of the
21:04
Speaker 3: season for everyone involved, including all of us fans, came
21:08
Speaker 3: to an end. And yeah, it's unfortunate that. I mean,
21:13
Speaker 3: everybody gets a fan over they want a fan, but
21:15
Speaker 3: it's the negativity towards well, they just played like crap.
21:19
Speaker 6: They choked away a couple. Yeah, they didn't play great,
21:21
Speaker 6: but they're humans. They go out there try their best.
21:24
Speaker 6: I mean, if that doesn't you got to watch the video,
21:26
Speaker 6: because I think the video does give it a little
21:27
Speaker 6: more justice than just here in the audio. The guy's
21:31
Speaker 6: visibly upset about the fact that they came up short
21:34
Speaker 6: of what their goal was.
21:35
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's I don't understand the idea of people saying
21:39
Speaker 10: that they don't think the players care because they're getting
21:41
Speaker 10: a paycheck. Like these people are putting in morning, noon, night,
21:46
Speaker 10: every day of their lives into trying to help this
21:48
Speaker 10: team win. And they weren't just doing it for themselves
21:51
Speaker 10: and the Mariners organization. They were doing it for the
21:54
Speaker 10: entire city of Seattle. And if people couldn't see that,
21:56
Speaker 10: that's baffling to me. I mean, these guys wanted a colon.
22:00
Speaker 10: He was out there as the voice and face really
22:03
Speaker 10: of this organization even years ago, trying to make this
22:07
Speaker 10: you know, plead with them to make this team better,
22:10
Speaker 10: to make this team competitive. And I think that even
22:14
Speaker 10: it just hurts more to see how much it hurts them.
22:17
Speaker 3: Well, I think part of it is that it's that,
22:20
Speaker 3: you know, Cal signs an extension.
22:22
Speaker 7: You know.
22:23
Speaker 3: Part of that conversation was, I want to believe that
22:26
Speaker 3: you guys are in it, that we don't get to
22:29
Speaker 3: a trading deadline when we're sitting there looking like we
22:32
Speaker 3: got a chance to win, and we just put one
22:34
Speaker 3: foot in the boat and one foot out of the boat.
22:37
Speaker 3: I think I think he got exactly what he wanted.
22:40
Speaker 3: You know, this year, he got the contract extension, He
22:45
Speaker 3: had the dream season, he got the organization to do
22:48
Speaker 3: what they promised them they would do before he signed
22:51
Speaker 3: that contract. He got the team around him that he
22:54
Speaker 3: thought could win at all. He had the team around
22:58
Speaker 3: him that he liked. Everybody in the clubhouse, even a
23:01
Speaker 3: couple that he might have had a little bit of
23:03
Speaker 3: friction with early in the season, he got him rowing
23:05
Speaker 3: all in the same direction together, and by the end
23:08
Speaker 3: of the year, I mean, you're not gonna meet a
23:10
Speaker 3: clubhouse more tightly knit than this one. And then you're
23:13
Speaker 3: never gonna meet a starting rotation more tight than this one.
23:16
Speaker 3: And he's really part.
23:17
Speaker 4: Of that circle. And so this was a tight group.
23:20
Speaker 3: And they wanted to get this done for Seattle and
23:23
Speaker 3: obviously for themselves as well, and he being one of
23:26
Speaker 3: the leaders, if not the leader, of this team, he
23:30
Speaker 3: took a lot of that responsibility on his shoulders. And
23:33
Speaker 3: it really does stink, just from a baseball game standpoint,
23:37
Speaker 3: last night, that he was standing in the batter's box
23:40
Speaker 3: when the game came to a close. Year of cal right,
23:44
Speaker 3: I thought for sure they were going to get to
23:45
Speaker 3: him and we were gonna have some magical moment to
23:49
Speaker 3: keep this season alive. But it ends up ending on
23:52
Speaker 3: Julio's strikeout and cal Rawley didn't get that chance to
23:56
Speaker 3: play hero one more time. So a crush bunch of
23:59
Speaker 3: Mayor and there's the last night there's no question about it.
24:02
Speaker 3: But something we'll talk about a little bit later on
24:05
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24:08
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27:46
Speaker 3: We left off at the letter M yesterday on our alphabet,
27:50
Speaker 3: and m's got to be just for the Mariners. I mean,
27:54
Speaker 3: it was, I know, a crushing disappointment. There's no question
27:58
Speaker 3: about that Cal win. As far as calling it a failure,
28:02
Speaker 3: I don't think it was a failure of a season.
28:04
Speaker 3: I think it was a successful season. But there's no
28:07
Speaker 3: doubt when you feel like you're that close to attaining
28:10
Speaker 3: the goal of making it to the World Series, and
28:12
Speaker 3: for the fans, the first one ever that you feel
28:15
Speaker 3: like it's you've failed, it feels like you've failed. I think,
28:19
Speaker 3: in with hindsight, none of us are going to feel
28:22
Speaker 3: that way about the twenty twenty five Mariners overall. In general.
28:28
Speaker 3: I thought a successful year. I know that they debated,
28:31
Speaker 3: We debated on a roundtable about what makes this successful year,
28:35
Speaker 3: there's no doubt or a successful regular season win in
28:37
Speaker 3: the division for the first time in forever, but also
28:41
Speaker 3: getting you to the American League Championship Series. I can't
28:44
Speaker 3: see how that's a failure. So I think a successful
28:47
Speaker 3: year for the twenty twenty five Mariners may not feel
28:49
Speaker 3: like it right now, but that's just I think in
28:52
Speaker 3: history history, when we look back on it, that was
28:55
Speaker 3: a successful season.
28:56
Speaker 6: Well yeah, I mean to some degree, anything less than
29:01
Speaker 6: winning everything is a failure. And yet you can't necessarily
29:06
Speaker 6: that's not the standard necessarily that you every team goes
29:09
Speaker 6: into a season with.
29:10
Speaker 7: I think that.
29:12
Speaker 6: I think, in all honesty, this team should have expected
29:16
Speaker 6: to make the playoffs. I think they were good enough
29:18
Speaker 6: to make the playoffs. What they did at the trade
29:19
Speaker 6: deadline ensured that they were good enough to make the
29:22
Speaker 6: playoffs hopefully win the division.
29:24
Speaker 7: I'd picked them to win the division.
29:26
Speaker 6: They end up doing that, and then you get into
29:28
Speaker 6: the playoffs as a number two seeds, so you get
29:30
Speaker 6: to get a buye through the first weekend and then
29:34
Speaker 6: get you get to go up against Trek Scooba, one
29:36
Speaker 6: of the best on the planet, twice, and you find
29:38
Speaker 6: a way to win in dramatic fashion, and then you
29:42
Speaker 6: go up against a team that I think that, you know,
29:46
Speaker 6: there's arguments about I think we're a better ball club
29:48
Speaker 6: than they are, and yet they played better than we
29:51
Speaker 6: did over the course of you know, seven games of
29:54
Speaker 6: twenty seven outs on each side. They made it tougher
29:56
Speaker 6: on us than we made it on them, and ultimately
29:59
Speaker 6: they'd deserve to move on. And yet the disappointment of
30:03
Speaker 6: being three innings away.
30:05
Speaker 7: Yeah, the three to one lead right.
30:07
Speaker 6: Now looms large in my mind and in my heart,
30:10
Speaker 6: and it's hard to swallow.
30:11
Speaker 7: It's hard to take it because what if? What if?
30:14
Speaker 11: This?
30:14
Speaker 7: What if that?
30:15
Speaker 6: What if just you you just had better abs here,
30:18
Speaker 6: or you executed a better pitch in this situation. All
30:21
Speaker 6: of the what ifs or is what's just this kind
30:24
Speaker 6: of you know, clouding my mind right now. But there's
30:27
Speaker 6: no doubt in my mind that it's just going to
30:30
Speaker 6: take a little bit of time for the kind of
30:32
Speaker 6: the pain to dole a little bit and then I'm
30:35
Speaker 6: going to be able to look at this most certainly
30:37
Speaker 6: as a successful season.
30:39
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's always it's interesting to me because you know,
30:42
Speaker 10: twenty nine other teams won't win the World Series, right,
30:47
Speaker 10: one team will, So does that mean twenty nine teams failed? Yeah,
30:51
Speaker 10: they failed to win the World Series, but that doesn't
30:52
Speaker 10: make their season a failure. Now, some of them will
30:55
Speaker 10: have have had a failure of a season, but I
30:57
Speaker 10: think going to Game seven of the Alcs, as much
30:59
Speaker 10: as it hurt right now, he did something that this
31:02
Speaker 10: organization has never done before. So if you've accomplished something
31:05
Speaker 10: they've never done before, it can't be a failure.
31:09
Speaker 3: Well, I think Cal called it a failure.
31:12
Speaker 12: And so if it feels like that in the moment,
31:13
Speaker 12: I find that yeah, yeah, And same thing with you know, fans,
31:17
Speaker 12: I know it does feel like a failure, like you're
31:19
Speaker 12: that close, you had the lead, you were up, you
31:22
Speaker 12: know for most of the game in a Game seven
31:24
Speaker 12: to get to the World Series, something we've never done.
31:26
Speaker 4: So I get why it feels that way now.
31:29
Speaker 3: But the twenty twenty five ms for Mariners had a
31:32
Speaker 3: successful season this year, and in time, I think we'll
31:36
Speaker 3: all be able to look back at it that way.
31:38
Speaker 3: But all of that being said in is for nerves,
31:42
Speaker 3: which is a terrible thing to call the Mariners.
31:45
Speaker 7: Oh god, yeah, do that?
31:47
Speaker 5: Yeah?
31:47
Speaker 3: Well, because I do want to point out some of
31:50
Speaker 3: the things that we will kind.
31:53
Speaker 4: Of pour over I think going forward.
31:54
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, we're also prisoners of the moment of
31:57
Speaker 3: how Game seven got.
31:59
Speaker 4: Away from us.
32:00
Speaker 3: But the Mariners stepped up at several times during the
32:05
Speaker 3: course of these postseasons to pull things out. I even
32:08
Speaker 3: think the Mariners showed up to play last night, but
32:11
Speaker 3: the Ners showed up a few times during these playoffs.
32:16
Speaker 3: We played two crappy games in Games four and six.
32:20
Speaker 3: Otherwise maybe we wouldn't even have to go to a
32:23
Speaker 3: Game seven. Our starting pitching, which was supposed to be
32:26
Speaker 3: the bread and butter, did not really show up collectively
32:30
Speaker 3: in this series. Yes, Bryce Miller did twice, George did
32:34
Speaker 3: last night. Brian Woo operated fairly well out of the
32:37
Speaker 3: bullpen on two different occasions, but not to Brian Woo's standards.
32:41
Speaker 3: I think he would even tell you that. And so
32:44
Speaker 3: there were Yes, the Mariners had a successful season, But
32:47
Speaker 3: the thing that got in the way of the Mariners
32:49
Speaker 3: being in the World Series were the Nerves, their alter
32:52
Speaker 3: ego with a terrible nickname that played indescribably bad at
33:00
Speaker 3: times during the course of the postseason. And yes, I
33:03
Speaker 3: know that happens to other teams in the playoffs. That
33:07
Speaker 3: does pop into the equation. Not everything's going to be smooth,
33:11
Speaker 3: but I do believe that it's not Game seven that
33:15
Speaker 3: a lot of players and fans are going to kick
33:17
Speaker 3: themselves over. It's looking back at Game three, blowing a
33:21
Speaker 3: two game lead and playing so poorly in Games three
33:24
Speaker 3: and four at home when you really had the series
33:27
Speaker 3: in your control. I think that's where the series was lost,
33:31
Speaker 3: more so than in the seventh inning last night.
33:33
Speaker 7: Yeah.
33:33
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, ultimately, I think Game seven was a
33:36
Speaker 6: microcosm of what the season was most certainly was of
33:40
Speaker 6: what the.
33:43
Speaker 7: Series was.
33:44
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think there's anybody that can look
33:47
Speaker 6: in the mirror that's in that Mariner clubhouse and think
33:52
Speaker 6: I did everything perfect.
33:53
Speaker 7: I was good. I was good the entire postseason.
33:55
Speaker 6: I don't have anything any blame that comes my direction.
33:59
Speaker 7: I mean you look at it.
34:00
Speaker 6: Yeah, you go on the road, and you know, Bryce
34:03
Speaker 6: Miller steps up in that first game, right. Pitch is
34:05
Speaker 6: the way that we expect the starting rotation to pick
34:08
Speaker 6: and then pitch, and then the guys out of the
34:10
Speaker 6: bullpen that are used do their job. They just do
34:13
Speaker 6: their job and they execute and you win. A three
34:15
Speaker 6: to one ball game, So the offense didn't necessarily do
34:18
Speaker 6: anything spectacular, but the pitching picked them up. And then
34:21
Speaker 6: you go out in the next game and you end
34:23
Speaker 6: up putting ten on the board. Some of those were
34:25
Speaker 6: late tack on runs, but again, pitching kind of did
34:29
Speaker 6: its job. Offense really stepped up. Outside of that. You know,
34:33
Speaker 6: the game five win, they end up scoring six runs.
34:35
Speaker 6: But really, if you look at the four losses, they
34:37
Speaker 6: scored three last night, two the night before, and they
34:41
Speaker 6: scored two and four and the two losses. So to me,
34:44
Speaker 6: it's like, as an offense, which that's the side of
34:46
Speaker 6: the game that I obviously my mind kind of runs through,
34:51
Speaker 6: you would expect them to do a little bit more.
34:54
Speaker 6: That said, as a pitching staff that they know that
34:57
Speaker 6: this team was built around them and built and hey,
35:00
Speaker 6: we can keep these things low if you give up thirteen, eight, six,
35:03
Speaker 6: and then even for late in game seven, it was
35:06
Speaker 6: like they did their job for majority of the game.
35:10
Speaker 6: They just didn't execute when it mattered most. And unfortunately,
35:14
Speaker 6: the probably the worst person on the other side that
35:16
Speaker 6: I would like to see succeed, he did execute. He
35:18
Speaker 6: locked up on one and the rest is history. So yeah,
35:21
Speaker 6: I mean there's a difference. There's the Mariners and the
35:24
Speaker 6: way they play, and then there's the Nerves, and the
35:25
Speaker 6: Nerves unfortunately played more often than the Mariners.
35:29
Speaker 7: Yeah.
35:29
Speaker 3: Well, all right, Well, coming up next we are going
35:32
Speaker 3: to have a full hour. We'll recap some of the
35:34
Speaker 3: decisions that were made last night, even though we did
35:38
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35:41
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35:44
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35:47
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35:50
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