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Tucker Carlson DESTROYS the ISRAEL FIRST Narrative | Howard Lutnick Fraud | America Unfiltered #215 · America Unfiltered With James P

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America, we are back, baby. Welcome back to another episode
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of America Unfiltered. We got our casual Friday show
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today. Very excited to be back with you
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guys. We have some crazy stories to
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talk about today. And then I also want to do a
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live reaction to the Tucker Carlson Mike Huckabee interview.
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I haven't seen it yet, I've just seen a couple clips, but from
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what people are telling me right now, it sounds like Tucker
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Carlson destroyed the Israel first narrative, so I'm very
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interested in seeing this. This is going to be a fun time,
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fun stream. Hope you guys enjoyed our stream
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last night as well. Holy shit was that a crazy one.
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If you're just tuning in, the stream last night was absurd.
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Oh my volume seems a little loud.
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Let me. Yeah, it's holy shit, it's loud.
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Alright. That should be better for you
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guys. That should be better.
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Sorry about that. Sorry about that.
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If my mic was fucking killing your ears there for a second now
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I feel like I made it too quiet seeing.
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I feel like an absolute retard now.
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OK, let's go. There we go.
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There we go. Should be better now.
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Hopefully. Should be all better.
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What a little distraction there, though.
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OK, we're back to the show. Thank you guys for tuning in.
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But last night's show was crazy. We, we did the live reaction to
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Sassy's video she made about me and then she ended up hopping on
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the show for like 4 1/2 hours. We had a four and a half hour
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long debate conversation, talked about a lot of different topics.
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Very fun. It's kind of funny.
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I mean, the entire thing was, I was so tired by the end too, but
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the entire thing was, it was interesting.
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We got to learn a little bit about how the left sees certain
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issues she just kept falling back on like you're a racist,
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you're a misogynist, you're this, you're that.
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And it's like, OK, sweetheart, OK, sweetheart, I get it.
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I get it. I get it.
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You're not ready for a man like me yet.
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You're not ready for it. One day you will be.
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It's OK. One day, one day it'll change
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your whole world. Sweetheart.
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We got some people in the live chat.
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Thank you guys for joining. Someone goes yo James W show.
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Sessy wants that paschally Dick. I think she might.
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I think she might. I really think you're on to
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something there. I I think she might.
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Someone goes what speech is that in the preview?
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What speech do I have in the preview?
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I think it's the one from the dictator.
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I don't not the dictator, the one from what's the fucking
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Charlie Chaplin movie? I don't know.
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I got to find a new thing for that.
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I just have that there 'cause it's copyright free and my last
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one I had got copyrighted so I had to change it.
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But I'm working on making a new one now.
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So that won't be lasting that long.
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Someone goes because he did not see that coming.
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And then Christian's in the chat.
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He goes, hello, how you doing Christian?
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Hope you're having a good day. Thank you guys for all for
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joining the show. The topics we have today.
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I want to talk a little bit about the Les Wexner
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investigation that we briefly talked about yesterday.
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I also want to talk about Howard Lutnick.
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Howard Lutnick defrauded America for billions of dollars.
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And I mean, this is insane. Like the evidence in the Epstein
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files is enough to get Howard Lutnick out of office and
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possibly behind bars. But now this is happening.
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So I don't know how we'll talk about it a little during the
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show, but I'll give you guys a brief intro to it right now.
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Howard Lutnick, he used to be the CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald.
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Now his son is the CEO of Cantor Fitzgerald.
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Nepotism, that's how it works. But So what happened is he wrote
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the executive order for Donald Trump for the tariffs and then
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he also told his son to basically buy out the buy out
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what would happen if the tariffs got cancelled, the money that
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the the tariff refund money. I was drawn a blank there for a
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second. And now that the tariffs got
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struck down by the Supreme Court, Howard Lutnick's son is
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going to net billions and billions of dollars.
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So this is one of the most corrupt things that has happened
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in a while and we actually need to have some prosecutions.
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We really need to have a full blown investigation into this.
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Alex Jones made a video about this.
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I think we're going to watch Alex Jones's video about it.
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But it's one of the most absurd things.
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I mean, Howard Lutnick's already one of the most corrupt people
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in Donald Trump's administration, was next door
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neighbors with Epstein, lied about being on the island, said
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he never had contact with him past one meeting in 2004 when
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they live next to each other and we find out all that's a lie.
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He was inviting him to donor events.
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He was on the island. He was also possibly one of the
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insider traders on 9/11 when it came to the shorting.
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And then now Howard Lutnick has bet against his own executive
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order or his son bet against his own executive order about the
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tariffs. And I think he knew it would
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fail. And I think he wrote it in a
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specific way that would make it fail.
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The reason that the Supreme Court overturned it is because
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of the way the executive order was written.
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Who is the executive order written by Howard Lutnick, who's
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making billions of dollars off this now, Howard Lutnick's son?
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This is actually insane. This is one of the craziest
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things that I've seen happen in a while.
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And we're going to watch Alex Jones talk about that today.
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We'll talk about it a little as well.
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And then after that, we're going to end the show doing the Mike
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Huckabee and Tucker Carlson interview.
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I'm not the biggest Tucker Carlson guy right now.
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I don't like the way he's talking about Nick.
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I don't think he really puts America first in every way,
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although he tries to steal the America first crowd away from
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Nick. But he did a pretty good job in
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this interview is what I've heard so far.
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I've had a lot of people reach out to me.
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They're like, yo, have you seen the interview yet?
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And I'm like, no, I didn't watch.
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I was going to watch it on the show.
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They're like, it's incredible. Tucker really does a great job.
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So I'm very excited. Hope you guys are excited.
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We got a great show for you guys tonight.
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Like I said, a lot of good things to talk about and another
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huge thing that happened and I'm going to show the video of it.
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But I just want to give a big shout out to our men and women
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in the Olympics right now. We're fucking kicking Canada's
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ass. Canada, suck my fucking Dick.
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Suck my Italian Dick, you worthless pieces of shit.
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You stupid Canucks. We beat the fuck out of you.
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And it was our women who did it. And guess what?
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Sunday morning, our men, they're going to beat the fuck out of
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you. On Sunday morning, 8:00 AM
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Eastern Time, our boys are coming in hot and fucking heavy
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and we are going to beat the fuck out of these stupid
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Canucks. You guys call yourself the
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fucking stupid Canadians, these stupid little retards bitches
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who think they can share the ice with us.
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Suck my fucking Dick. We are going to nail you guys to
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the fucking wall. I hope every Canadian player
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gets fucking wrecked. I oh this is going to be
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incredible. But the USA women did it
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already. The USA women already fucking
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gave it right to the Canadians with a golden goal opportunity.
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I even have the video pulled up. I want to watch this really
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quick with you guys because this is fucking great.
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Let's go fuck Canada. Let's go USA baby.
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Watch this video real quick. Golden goal opportunity.
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We'll deek around right through the fucking 5 hole.
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Megan Keller. Megan Keller.
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I almost want to buy your jersey now, sweetheart.
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Yeah, fuck you Canada. Go cry you stupid Canuck.
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Megan Keller, I would break being a ball self for you just
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for scoring that goal. I don't even know what the fuck
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you look like. Is she good looking?
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Hopefully after I make a statement like that, she is.
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But look at those Canadian bitches.
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Cry, suck my Dick, let's go. I mean, it's just, it's fucking
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incredible. Fucking incredible.
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Fuck you, Canada. Fuck you, Canada.
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And I know Rogue. I know you're from Canada.
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Rogue's a listener of the show on Spotify.
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Rogue. Still love you, buddy.
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But fuck Canada. Fuck Canada.
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We're going to beat the fuck out of you guys on Sunday.
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Oh, I'm excited for it. Someone goes Cece is a Louie or
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Cece is a Luigi lover. Yeah, we know that.
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Like I talked to her about that on the show yesterday.
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Again, catch up. And then someone goes, bro what?
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Only half of my comments are coming through.
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Also, can you see the usernames when people comment?
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I can see the usernames. Brandon Phillips Dash P4 OI can
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see the usernames when people comment.
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What do you mean only half your comments have come through are
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they not? I don't know I mean try comment.
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I'm seeing them on my screen. I don't know what's going on.
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Maybe that's your Internet maybe refresh the page, but let's get
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into the actual show. I want to show you guys this
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right here. This was absolutely insane.
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So we saw the the testimony hearing with Les Wexner.
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Les Wexner was in charge of the Victoria's Secret brand.
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He was one of the Co conspirators to Jeffrey Epstein,
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one of the people who was heavily involved in the
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trafficking, the rape, the prostitution of these underage
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women. And instead of actually doing
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something about it, this is the news we're getting.
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Representative James Gomer says he is no longer pursuing an
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investigation into Les Wexner over his ties to Jeffrey
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Epstein's child trafficking network.
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This is one of the people that we have overwhelming evidence
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that they were involved. I mean, overwhelming amounts.
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I could prove it in court that this guy is fucking guilty.
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I could make that case and I've made that case on the Showtime
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and time again. I made it yesterday.
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I made it all last year when they were burying the actual
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files. I talked about it.
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How corrupt it was. I talked about who less I'm
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losing my words. I talked about who less I'm
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going to fucking kill myself. I talked about who less Wexner
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is. Holy shit I that I don't why
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that takes so many tries to get out.
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Holy fuck. I feel like a retard.
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I feel I've literally felt like half a retard today.
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I don't know what's going. I'm so fucking tired.
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I was up so late last night because that show didn't until
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like 4:00 AM last night. 3:45 or so was OK Yeah, we're talking
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about Les Wexner. So I talked about how Les Wexner
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was the CEO of Victoria's Secret Brands.
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He gave power of attorney to Jeffrey Epstein.
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He gave him power of his checking accounts, all his real
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estate portfolios over all of his companies, anything legal
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involved. And Jeffrey Epstein had full
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control, access to billions of dollars through Les Wexner.
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He's also the one who gifted Jeffrey Epstein the famous New
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York town home as well. And then one of my viewers asked
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me to talk about the ranch. There's really not much to talk
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about there. Like, they sold it without
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actually fully investigating it and searching it and all that.
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But it's like the townhouse was scrubbed.
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The island was scrubbed well before the FBI got there.
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What are the fucking chances at that?
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Like that scrub, too. It's like, OK, they're really
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not going to get like, do I wish they would have investigated?
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Yeah. Do I wish they would have raided
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it? Yeah.
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Do I wish that we got some information out of it?
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Yeah. But if they did go and do
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anything there, we wouldn't have got any information.
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Like we didn't get any information from the pictures of
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the island into the town home. We got nothing, nothing at all.
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So I, I don't know, I, I think it's like, it's not that nothing
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happened there, it's just that whatever did happen there, the
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evidence has been destroyed. Well, it's, it's gone.
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So I don't know. I like, I was going to talk
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about a little more, but it's like there's not really not much
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to fucking say about it. Like I said, everything was just
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destroyed. It's like, what could I really
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say besides that? But yeah, so Les Wexner is
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essentially getting away with all the crimes.
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This is what happens when you're a Jewish billionaire who
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practically runs Ohio politics. This guy is heavily involved in
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Ohio politics. He funds a lot of politicians,
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funds a lot of special interest groups, and he's a heavy Zionist
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Jew, which means they're going to avoid prosecuting this person
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at all costs. And I do want to go on.
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I want to talk about this Howard Lutnick thing.
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That's really the bigger story here.
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And then from the Howard Lutnick thing, right after that, we will
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go on to talk about the we will watch the interview with Tucker
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Carlson and Mike Huckabee. Sorry, I'm just getting the
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video pulled up for you guys. Let's see where it is.
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Where did I have it saved? Where did I have it saved?
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Yeah. OK, so I have two things I want
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to, I have this, I want to show you this is just an introduction
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to it. And then right after, I want to
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go into the video from Alex Jones before we go into the
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actual live reaction for the show.
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But so Jewish Zionist Howard Lutnick's firm bought up the
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rights to tariff refunds for 20 to $0.30 on the dollar in 2025.
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Today, the Supreme Court struck the tariffs down For every $100
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invested. Lutnick's family just made three
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to 5X. Welcome to the Jewish scam that
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is MAGA. So Howard Lutnick wrote the
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executive order. The executive order got
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overturned because of the wording in the writing of the
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executive order. Howard Lutnick's son purchased
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the refund the the rights to the tariff refund at 20 to $0.30 on
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the dollar and then now we are having 175 plus billion dollars
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being refunded. Actually, we're not way more
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than that. I don't know the exact, I
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shouldn't have the number off the top.
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I, like I said, I'm fucking tired today.
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I, I've really been slightly off my game today.
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But it's billions and billions of dollars that Cantor
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Fitzgerald, Howard Lutnick, and his son are going to receive
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because of this corrupt act. This is essentially a form of
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insider trading. This guy wrote a bill that he
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knew would fail, and then when it failed, him and his family
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made billions of dollars. Like, that's fucking insane.
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That's should be beyond legal. It should be criminal.
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But for some reason, if you're a Zionist Jew, you can just
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fucking get away with it. And I want to show the videos
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from Alex Jones today. Let's see, which one should we
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watch this? Two of them, let's see, let's
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just go with this one and then if I feel like we're not getting
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enough info out of it, we'll go to the other one as well.
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We got someone in the chat saying most Cuban Americans
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would hate her politics. I have no idea how she is one of
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them. OK, nice.
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Like who gives a shit what Cubans think thing is.
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What the president did was constitutional but in the
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executive order was not worded properly.
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And who wrote the executive order?
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Put him on screen please. Howard lied about going to
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Jeffrey Epstein's island live next door to him.
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Oh, Lutting we love. Jones.
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So I have. The video.
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Does freeze what's really less? Than a year is it?
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It took him a while here by appointed last 10 months.
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I've sat back, I've watched and I've said I'm not sure who the
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villains are, who the good guys are.
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We have a very clear picture now.
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And I think you all agree with me.
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Howard Lennon used to go bye bye, Pam Bondi, bye bye.
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If Trump doesn't want to scandal out of it, just send him to the
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Antarctica. Tell him to go up there to the
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Arctic research facility or something.
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Count go go to the Antarctic. All right, let's.
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Go to this one. I feel like he's talking a
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little slow in that there's a New York Times.
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Article Wall Street bet against the Trump tariffs.
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You mean Ludnik and Besant's sons?
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And all of them did. Oh, they're all in on it.
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The sons are all being used as the bagman.
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He and his family made gigantic bets that this would get
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reversed because it does destroy the heart of the globalist
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takeover and ends our economic surrender.
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And London was always a Democrat and always for those bad
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policies before, but suddenly he's all for it and him and his
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buddies have made 10s of billions now it's estimated.
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Well, let's see, got to pay back 175 billion at least.
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Oh, so I was. Right, you got to pay it back a
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whole. Bunch of penalty and interest,
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see, I thought. I was off my game.
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I was right. 175 billion is what they have to pay back.
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And then he's the guys that bought all that up for people
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that wanted to sell their insurance in it.
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So now the Ludnigs and others go and they collect on it.
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And you're the one that set the policy because you knew the
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Supreme Court insiders were going to deep 6 it.
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You knew what would stand, what wouldn't.
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Insiders and experts predicted all this on my show.
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And you did it, Ludnig. Yeah, that's criminal in my
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view. All right.
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But you. Guys, you guys get the gist of
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it now? Hope.
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Hopefully you get the gist of it.
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Basically, like I said, he wrote the bill himself.
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The bill got overturned because of the way the writing was
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phrased in the bill. Howard Lutnick probably knew
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that that was going to happen. His son made a bet that they
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would get reversed. His son is now profiting 10s of
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billions of dollars and now they're having to refund the
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tariff money. It's crazy too 'cause they'll
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like charge Americans tariffs and then the businesses will get
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a refund. But like the American people who
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got up charge don't. It's kind of crazy when you
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think about it. It's another way to scam
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Americans and it's happening in real time.
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But what do we expect? Do we expect anything different?
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Do we expect Howard Lutnick to be an upstanding citizen?
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The guy who lived next to Epstein went to Epstein's island
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with his kid? Like he brought his son over to
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Epstein's island. No wonder his son's a piece of
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shit just like him. It's all fucking insane.
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I mean, like, we live in this country and we get absolutely
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raped in this country every fucking day by this
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administration, by the government itself, by the entire
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system. The fact that this is allowed
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and they're not doing anything to stop it, The fact that
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they're allowing Howard Lutnick's son to buy up the
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tariff refund possibly. Like, that's fucking insane.
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Literally insane that that's happening.
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Like I said, there's not a crazy amount to talk about with it.
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Like I said, it's just, it is what it is.
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It's going to happen. It's really shitty, It's really
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corrupt. We're not going to get any
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prosecutions, not to be black pilled, but it's like nothing's
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going to fucking happen from this.
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In the end, Howard Lutnick's going to remain the Commerce
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secretary. In the end, Donald Trump's going
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to keep doing what he's doing. In the end, nothing will
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actually fucking change. We'll, we'll keep getting raped,
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robbed, and looted of our nation, of our freedoms.
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We'll keep getting raped, robbed, and looted of our money
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and we the people really don't have any way to stop this.
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As of right now. What is going to happen and what
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will change things a bit, is when the Republicans lose the
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midterms, which will happen by a lot.
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They'll lose by a fucking landslide.
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Most likely. After that, you'll see Howard
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Lutnick be called to testify. You will see him possibly
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removed. You'll see a lot of Trump's
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cabinet removed, subpoenaed, have forced to testify.
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You'll probably see even Trump get impeached.
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I mean, this administration has just been about making money and
18:37
supporting the Zionist 'cause that's, that's literally all
18:41
that's happened. And when we watch this Tucker
18:43
Carlson thing, I'm getting it pulled up right now.
18:46
It's really telling. Like I said, I've only seen
18:48
clips from it, but it shows very closely how Donald Trump's
18:52
cabinet, how people Donald Trump are working with are literally
18:55
fucking obsessed with Israel. They're so in love with Israel.
18:58
They would rather support Israel than support America.
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They would rather support the Israelis and support the
19:03
American citizens. It is the duty of the American
19:06
government to put Americans first.
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But no, they would rather put Israel first.
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I literally actually watched a video of a guy.
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There's that guy with the Palestinian News Network.
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He walks around congressional buildings and he asked
19:18
politicians Israel first or America first.
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And one guy goes Israel 1st and he's like, you stupid fat
19:24
fucking Penguin to the guy who said is real first because the
19:27
guy looked like a retarded fat Penguin.
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And it's crazy that a politician even said that out loud.
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Usually they try and be subtle about it, but no, this one just
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fucking went for it. Absolutely absurd.
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I'm getting it set up on the screen right now.
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This video, the Tucker Carlson thing.
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Give me one moment and then we're going to go right into the
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reaction for it. This is what I'm really.
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Excited to watch. This is really the what the show
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is going to be about today. All right, just getting it
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pulled up one second. Sorry all.
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Right here we. Go.
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Here we go. You ready?
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Tucker Carlson, Mike Huckabee, Ambassador to Israel, Piece of
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shit guy who puts Israel first verse Tucker Carlson.
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We're about to play you an interview we did with you as
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ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee, 2 days ago.
20:48
In Israel in general, it's never worth talking about the back
20:52
story behind an interview. It's kind of not.
20:54
The point makes it about the interviewer, not the person
20:57
being interviewed. For one thing.
20:58
For another, it's not that interesting most of the time.
21:01
And for another, it's kind of off the record.
21:04
You know, the other person hasn't consented to you telling
21:07
the story. So in general, we don't do that.
21:09
Who'd want to hear that with the interview speak for itself?
21:11
But in this case, we want to tell you just a few things about
21:14
how this interview came about because they are pretty
21:16
interesting, revealing and now weirdly relevant apparently.
21:21
So this interview with Mike Huckabee came about a couple of
21:23
weeks ago on Twitter. One of our producers showed me
21:26
he said something to the effect of, you're talking to Middle
21:28
Eastern Christians, Tucker Carlson, maybe you should talk
21:30
to me. Why don't you come to an
21:32
interview? And I paused for him.
21:34
And I thought in the past about trying to interview Mike
21:36
Huckabee, whom I've known for over 30 years and worked
21:39
adjacent to at Fox. And I had mixed feelings about
21:41
it, mostly because it's hard, if you're me, to interview Mike
21:44
Huckabee because of just the personal affect.
21:46
Mike Huckabee is jovial, comes off as friendly.
21:48
He's a grandfather when annoyed. I can be nasty in interviews.
21:53
And so it's it takes a lot of self-control to interview
21:56
someone like Mike Huckabee, not not because I hate him, but
21:57
because it's hard to ask him tough questions and not come off
22:00
as a jerk, which I often am. So.
22:02
But I thought in this case, yeah, I should definitely do
22:04
this for a bunch of different reasons.
22:07
Mainly, the United States is moving toward a big war, a real
22:10
war with Iran, a regime change war, the biggest war we've had
22:15
since the invasion of Iraq in the spring of 2003.
22:17
And Israel is driving that. We are doing this at the behest
22:20
of the demand of the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin
22:22
Netanyahu. So it seems like now is the time
22:24
for more Americans to understand the dynamic between the US and
22:26
Israel and call attention to that.
22:29
And for another, Huckabee's behavior in the last year in
22:32
Jerusalem as the ambassador has been very, very striking.
22:36
He famously had a meeting with the most damaging spy in
22:40
American history. And why did he do that?
22:43
He hadn't been asked. That was one of the.
22:44
Most, I hope Tucker actually asked him about that.
22:47
I don't know if he does, but Mike Huckabee met with Jonathan
22:49
Pollard. He was a spy for Israel, spying
22:54
on the United States government, spent decades in jail, and then
22:59
when he got released, they made a trade.
23:01
And when he got released, guess what happened?
23:04
Mira Medelson, the guy who gave $250 million to Donald Trump or
23:09
the woman who gave $250 million to Donald Trump, flew Pollard
23:14
back on their private jet back to Israel and Benjamin Netanyahu
23:18
gave him a warm welcome greeting on the tarmac.
23:22
So Israel claims to be our ally. They claim to be best friends
23:25
with us. But then they'll celebrate the
23:27
person who spied on us, who helped steal our nuclear secrets
23:31
by. Anybody up until 2 days ago, why
23:32
did you do that? So I, I wanted to be able to ask
23:34
him that. And so we accepted and then
23:37
began the usual negotiations about when and where the
23:39
interview would take place. And we were constrained because
23:41
we weren't expecting this. We wanted to do it quickly, but
23:43
we had tons of travel. So we threw them a date.
23:46
Them being the American embassy, we can do it On this date.
23:48
And they were very accommodating.
23:49
And then the question became, well, where do we do it?
23:51
And maybe a Christian holy site. We said, we've got to get in and
23:54
out really quick. Got to be back to do a bunch of
23:56
other interviews. But we've got this time frame.
23:57
They said, well, why don't you do it at the US Embassy?
23:59
Maybe we said that great U.S. embassy.
24:01
So the US Embassy is about an hour, 55 minutes from the big
24:05
airport in Israel, Ben Gurion. So we said, OK, what about
24:09
security? Now, at this time, the Israeli
24:11
government, the Prime Minister included, were attacking me in
24:13
this show. Netanyahu suggested I was a
24:15
Nazi, for example. And so we thought, you know, how
24:19
about security, obviously not because the Israeli government
24:23
necessarily would do something bad, because there are a lot of
24:25
people in Israel who think because they've been told, you
24:26
know, that I'm an anti Semite or a Nazi or want to kill Jews.
24:30
It's kind of crazy overstatement.
24:32
All untrue, obviously, but it would be good to have security.
24:35
And I should say, having done interviews on 6 out of seven
24:38
continents over 35 years, I'm not very security conscious at
24:41
all. Never really feel uncomfortable
24:43
with this. Seem like a a prudent thing to
24:44
do. So we were told by the embassy
24:46
spokesman, no, we're not going to provide security.
24:48
And so we said, OK, I guess we'll get private security, but
24:51
could we get someone from the embassy to ride in the car with
24:54
us from the airport to the interview?
24:56
And we were told no. Could we get what they call a
24:58
control officer, just an American with us in a, you know,
25:01
in an official capacity as a embassy employee with us?
25:04
No, Quote, for legal reasons, we can't do that.
25:07
So I thought, well, that's very strange.
25:10
And then they said, but instead we're turning you over to the
25:12
Ministry for Foreign Affairs MFA, and they're going to
25:15
arrange everything in Israel. Well, this was within 24 hours
25:19
of the deputy foreign minister, Sharon Haskell releasing a video
25:21
calling me an anti Semite and an enemy of Israel, that this was
25:24
the person who the embassy was telling us was going to handle
25:26
all of our travel. So it was at this point that I
25:30
just called, I called the spokesman from for the US
25:32
Embassy in Israel, and I said, OK, I'm an American citizen
25:37
responding to an invitation from the American ambassador to
25:40
Israel. And by the way, I'm the son of
25:41
U.S. ambassador. So I have some sense, not an
25:42
expert, obviously, but I have some sense of how this works.
25:44
And I think that the US ambassador has discretion to
25:47
send somebody from his office to the airport to accompany someone
25:50
in. I think that's right.
25:51
And if it's not right, tell me what law you're talking about,
25:54
what legal reason you're talking about that would prevent that?
25:56
And now you're sending me over to a government official who's
25:59
been calling me a Nazi. That's the person in charge of
26:01
getting us to the embassy? Like, what is going on here?
26:04
And the embassy spokesman was totally nice, said, well, this
26:07
was the decision of someone called David Brownstein.
26:09
He's the DCM, the number two guy in the embassy.
26:10
And I said, well, put him on a text exchange.
26:12
Like what's going on your interview?
26:13
Start just curious and. So Brownstein got on and didn't
26:17
answer the question, but basically said, well, OK, let's
26:18
just do the interview at the airport, in the diplomatic
26:21
reception area at the airport. OK, I said.
26:24
OK, so the. Intro to this is like 24
26:26
minutes. I don't know if we should watch
26:28
the fucking intro or to skip to the actual interview.
26:30
What he's going to talk about now is how they were detained
26:34
and searched and questioned by Israeli security in the airport.
26:39
But like, I feel like we've all seen that on X already.
26:41
I've already kind of talked about that a little bit on the
26:43
show. Maybe we just kind of.
26:45
Skip ahead to when the interview actually starts.
26:49
Or let's watch. Like the last like couple
26:50
minutes before I guess. Let's see what he says.
26:53
Most pressing issue. For Americans is that we kill
26:55
the Ayatollah or whatever. You still have a fair
26:59
expectation that your government, because it is yours,
27:02
you pay for it, it exists to serve you and for no other
27:04
reason. You have an expectation that
27:05
your government will take your side against a foreign
27:07
government. But the daily lived reality, the
27:11
obvious truth visible to every single American, is that's the
27:14
opposite of reality. In fact, if you criticize Israel
27:18
in your country, your government will work to censor you.
27:22
If there's a standoff between you and BB, you know whose side
27:24
your government's going to take BB side.
27:27
That is not sustainable. That is too humiliating.
27:32
It's too clearly an inversion of the natural order.
27:35
Your government exists for you, not for a foreign government.
27:39
But that's not how we live in this country or in Israel.
27:43
So that's what we learned. And one last thing.
27:45
The Israelis apparently went May, probably the help of Mike
27:51
Huckabee, went to the surveillance tape inside the
27:54
diplomatic terminal and pulled some clip and of course, getting
27:57
all their little bots online to promote it of me with my arm
28:00
around somebody to show that actually I'm lying about what
28:03
happened. That person was our driver who
28:07
drove us from the plane to the terminal, a short drive, very
28:11
nice guy, good guys, really guy. And right when we arrived and he
28:14
said, can I get a picture? Of course, he's a nice man.
28:17
So I just put my arm around him and took a picture.
28:18
That's what that is. That was before the interview.
28:21
It was before our producers were hassled by the thugs and asked
28:25
ridiculous questions. Was before any of this happened.
28:27
So that's just another installment of the propaganda
28:29
war. Thought we'd give you the back
28:30
story on that. People seem to be more inflamed,
28:33
not just emotionally but physically, and more tired than
28:35
ever. The ads.
28:36
I I fuck you Tucker, not watching your shitty ads.
28:46
I hope it's informative. Ambassador, thank you very much
28:49
for having us, for inviting me. I was grateful to be invited.
28:52
I, I was grateful because I don't like all the, the name
28:55
calling. I've engaged in some of it.
28:57
I want to apologize for that. I don't.
28:58
But I in general, I don't think people should be going
29:01
immediately to motive calling each other Nazis or anti
29:03
Semites. I said I hate the Christian
29:04
Zionists. I lost control of myself.
29:06
Of course I don't. I've apologized for that.
29:08
I have problems with my anger. And so I just want to apologize
29:10
to you, since you are a Christian Zionist, you and I
29:12
have known. Each other for over 30 years,
29:13
that is. Totally true back when you were
29:15
in Little Rock. So yes, you know the newspaper,
29:17
that's why I wanted us to have a conversation, talk to each other
29:20
and not about each other. And I appreciate very much your
29:22
coming here to of course and I'm.
29:24
Only staying a couple hours, unfortunately, because I kind of
29:26
shoehorned this in. But I hope that I'll be back
29:28
soon and I hope that I can come back soon because I want to.
29:31
I actually like, despite what you may hear, I actually like
29:33
the country. I've been here a lot and there
29:35
are a lot of things I love about it and and I want to talk to
29:38
people in it for like a week good and get a better sense of
29:40
it. So I want to ask you everyone
29:42
I've talked to in in preparation for this has said the same
29:45
thing. Jonathan Pollard, like can I'm
29:48
just going to show the the name to you and have you explain?
29:50
No, I'm glad you. Asked, you know, of course.
29:51
Interestingly, there's been a lot of things about it.
29:53
You're the first person who has asked me about it, which I find
29:57
amazing, so I'm glad you did. Yeah, the very first.
29:59
Good. Well, it's.
29:59
Better to like, hear it. Sure, I met.
30:02
Jonathan Pollard 2 times. Once I was making a speech in
30:04
Jerusalem. This has been a few years ago.
30:05
His wife was still alive at the time and he was there and
30:09
someone introduced me to him and his wife.
30:12
I said hello to them. That was it.
30:14
Hi nice to meet Esther, his wife and that was it.
30:16
I went and made my speech and I left.
30:18
Why would? You say that like.
30:19
Literally, I would spit at that guy's feet.
30:21
If I ever met Jonathan Pollard, I would literally spit on him.
30:25
But no, no. No, nice to meet you.
30:27
Thanks for spying on our fucking country.
30:29
Like what? Later his wife passed away here
30:33
in Israel and I sent him a note and just said I'm sorry to hear
30:36
about your wife. I remember meeting her at the
30:38
hotel and sorry to hear it. He then asked could he come and
30:42
see me? He wanted to come and thank me
30:44
for being kind to him. He came to the embassy.
30:47
I think we met for maybe 30 minutes.
30:49
We had a nice, pleasant visit. The funny thing was, the New
30:52
York Times reported that it was a secret meeting.
30:55
Tucker, if you've ever been to the US Embassy, you would know
30:57
there's no such thing as a secret meeting at the US
30:59
Embassy. There are cameras everywhere.
31:00
You walk through Marines, you walk through security, you walk
31:02
through the front office, and there's a dozen or more people
31:04
that are going to check you out when you come.
31:07
And before you get there, you're going to have to give us your
31:08
passport information. You're going to have to be
31:10
vetted and screened in all of this stuff.
31:12
So the idea that it was secret was ludicrous.
31:14
The whole idea is, look, Jonathan Pollard did something
31:16
that was terribly wrong. He sold secrets.
31:19
He shouldn't have done it. He was sentenced to 30 years in
31:23
prison and spent 30. Actually, he was, I think, Yeah,
31:25
I think he was sentenced to maybe more than 30 years, but he
31:27
spent 30 years in prison. Most people convicted of
31:30
something similar, which was 1 count, I believe, would have
31:33
spent 2 to 4, but he spent 30. I don't have a problem with him
31:36
spending 30 because I think what he did was despicable.
31:38
I'm not defending anything about what he did, but even people
31:42
like the former director of the CIA, a number of other senators
31:46
on the Senate Foreign Relations of the Senate Intel Committee
31:49
said that he should be allowed to leave and move to Israel if
31:53
he wanted to. So it to me was not as big a
31:56
deal that I had this basically courtesy meeting.
31:59
He wanted to thank me for being nice to him when his wife died.
32:01
That's pretty much the you advocated.
32:03
For his release when you ran, as I remember it, in 2011, long
32:07
before he had served 30 years. And I agree with you that there
32:10
are a lot of people languishing in prison, you know, in our
32:12
country and in this country, many countries, you know, for
32:14
longer periods than they deserve.
32:15
And I think it's a Christian impulse to to want to see them
32:18
free. But this was the greatest
32:20
traitor in modern American history who sold our battle
32:23
plans, sold our battle plans against the Soviet Union army
32:26
enemy in the Cold War to the the Israeli government, which
32:29
according to our Reagan CIA director, Bill Casey, then gave
32:32
them to the Soviet Union. So this was the most profound
32:35
betrayal of the United States in my lifetime.
32:38
Why advocate for that guy's release before he serves his
32:41
full sentence? If that were the case in 2011,
32:45
it would have been because I had a number of friends that
32:47
suggested that he had more than served time and he didn't want
32:50
to live in the US anymore. He wanted to live a bunch of.
32:52
Friends, meaning a bunch of Jews called him and we're like hey,
32:56
like what he did helped us, we're your allies.
33:00
Let him out now. Fuck you, Jonathan Pollard's
33:03
going to burn in hell one day in.
33:05
Israel and but my association with him.
33:08
Again, I had never met him until I met him in Jerusalem at a
33:10
hotel. That was the first time I had
33:12
ever encountered him. I'm friends.
33:13
With a million bad people when I've talked to 1,000,000 bad
33:16
people sitting here with you. I mean, come on.
33:18
I mean, she's. The same with tax collector.
33:20
So I trust me, I am. Do not judge people who are
33:23
friends or know or enjoy the company of immoral people
33:26
because it's not an endorsement of their immoral behavior.
33:29
Tucker should be pressing him 10 times harder on this.
33:32
Now I'm questioning why people said this was a good interview.
33:35
Like we're still going to fucking watch it but like why
33:38
isn't Tucker pressing him on this really hard right now?
33:41
Pollard. Is different, I think once you
33:43
become the US ambassador, the the representative of the
33:45
president of the United States in the United States of America
33:47
in a foreign country, and then you invite not only the most
33:51
damaging betrayer in our lifetimes, but also a guy who
33:54
continues to advocate for betrayal.
33:56
So he gave an interview, as I don't even know, in 2021 to
33:59
Israeli media, in which he said I would encourage Jewish
34:02
Americans with security clearances to spy for Mossad
34:05
against their own country, the United States.
34:06
Because, and I'm pretty much quoting him, all Jews should
34:09
have dual loyalty. That's AI mean.
34:12
That's not repentance. That's not someone who feels bad
34:14
about what he did. That's someone who's encouraging
34:15
American Jews to betray their country.
34:18
That's pretty heavy, don't you think?
34:19
Oh, I do. And I disagree with that
34:21
wholeheartedly. I I think you must remember it
34:23
was President Trump who probably facilitated his departure.
34:27
And I'm certainly supportive of President Trump.
34:30
I think you are. And Butler's not.
34:31
He called him A. Madman after your meeting,
34:33
that's why I say. Pollard is, is not for me, the
34:35
real issue. It was the fact that he did
34:38
something that was despicable. I'm I'm not denying that.
34:40
Of course he did. And he paid dearly for 30 years
34:43
in prison and he should have that.
34:44
That's what he should have done. He didn't pay.
34:45
Enough. No question.
34:46
About. But why meet with?
34:47
Him in the US embassy, your colleagues said they were
34:48
shocked, they said. That you were the colleagues
34:50
that said they were shocked quoted on.
34:52
Background in the New York Times Background The meeting was in
34:54
August. This could all be fake, that's
34:56
why I'm asking you. Well the.
34:57
The same New York Times said it was a secret meeting, and I'm
35:00
telling you, there's no such thing as a secret meeting in the
35:01
US Embassy. You see why?
35:02
The US ambassador. That's such a.
35:04
Fucking. Lie because again, if it wasn't
35:07
a secret meeting, we wouldn't have had to wait six months to
35:09
find out it fucking happened again.
35:12
Like Tucker, press him on that. Why?
35:14
Like why is he not hosting a? Convicted betrayer of his own
35:17
country who's Encouraging Americans to continue to betray
35:19
their country would seem shocking.
35:21
Well, I would say that it wasn't that I you, you make it sound
35:24
like I'm hosting a meeting. I simply met with him.
35:26
I meet with people all the time. Some people just walk in
35:28
without. A.
35:29
No, they have to. Have an appointment.
35:30
Of course they do. Oh, so it.
35:31
Is hosting him that I think, Well I don't know if it was.
35:33
Hosting, but it was certainly he was able to come to the US
35:36
Embassy to have a meeting at his request.
35:38
I did. And frankly, I don't regret it.
35:40
I I've met with a lot of people over the course of the time.
35:42
Why? Is the United States Ambassador
35:45
to Israel even allowed to meet with someone like that?
35:49
And. That's what I'm questioning
35:50
right now and. I've been here and we'll be with
35:53
a lot more. That's it.
35:56
So if you spend Oh my. God Tucker, like how many
35:59
fucking shitty ads? Americanthreemonthsfree@hallowed.com/tucker
36:04
It's the best. There have been Americans in
36:07
prison in Israel. There have also been and there
36:09
continue to be dozens and dozens and dozens of sex offenders,
36:13
accused sex offenders from the United States who fled to
36:15
Israel, including one recently an Israeli government official
36:17
who was caught trying to molest a 15 year old girl.
36:20
And OK, good question. Fled to Israel and is not going
36:23
back to the United States to stand charges for attempted
36:25
molestation of a child. Have you advocated for the
36:28
Israeli government to return him to the United States?
36:30
I'm not familiar. With that case, it has not come
36:31
to us at the embassy, so I'm not.
36:33
I'm not. Familiar.
36:35
OK, I'm familiar with it, Tom already.
36:38
And Alexandrovich, the guy who works under Bibi Netanyahu,
36:41
tried to meet a 15 year old in Las Vegas, was arrested, they
36:46
gave him his passport back and he fled back to Israel and
36:49
they've been protecting him since.
36:50
But somehow I know about it. I'm just a fucking podcaster and
36:53
a live streamer. But the ambassador to Israel for
36:57
America doesn't know about it. Again, a fucking blatant lie by
37:01
this guy. And this is the corruption that
37:03
I'm fucking talking about. So absurd.
37:05
Where is this the person in Nevada that is correct?
37:07
OK, I heard about honey, I would imagine.
37:09
Yeah, I heard about it. But I heard about it through
37:10
open source media. It was never something that was
37:12
presented to us. But I would have no problem with
37:15
him being extradited back to the US.
37:17
You're the. Presidents and our countries are
37:18
so do it. Then so, so facilitate that.
37:21
Why aren't you? Why haven't we heard a fucking
37:23
thing about it today? This interview aired this
37:25
morning. Why haven't you tweeted out,
37:27
hey, guys, we are going to facilitate him back to the
37:30
United States. We are going to transport him
37:32
back there to be prosecuted Representative.
37:34
In the state of Israel. So I think he would fall to you
37:36
to advocate with your friend, the Prime Minister, to say, wait
37:38
a second, we have a very close relationship.
37:40
We're obviously the single largest source of outside
37:42
funding for this country. How can you take an accused
37:46
child molester and shield him from American justice, send him
37:49
back to the United States? Have you ever had that
37:50
conversation? No.
37:52
Because the Prime Minister would not be the proper person that
37:54
may be in. Israel, pardon my ignorance,
37:55
that would deal. With an extradition, it would go
37:57
through their court system and so the Prime Minister is
38:00
separate, very similar to what we have in the US where there is
38:02
a separation of powers. So it would go through something
38:05
other than the Prime Minister. Have you advocated?
38:08
To the courts, to judges, to anybody in the Israeli justice
38:10
system, there has never been a. Request for me to engage in that
38:13
I I would be happy to do it if if the White House sent a
38:16
message to me, I do but a. $1000 with anybody that it never
38:20
fucking happens work for the. President, I serve it as
38:23
pleasure. If anyone in the White House
38:24
were to say to me, would you please go and make a case for
38:27
it? But probably if that were to
38:28
happen, it wouldn't come through the embassy as much as it would
38:31
likely come from the Department of Justice at the US in DC.
38:34
They would make the request. Yeah, Pam.
38:36
Bondi at the Department of Justice, the corrupt Zionist
38:39
like pitch is going to ask for that like not like again.
38:42
We're never going to get anything they.
38:44
Might involve us, but they very likely would not, does it seem.
38:47
Strange to you that people accused of child molestation in
38:50
the United States are allowed to have refuge in our within the
38:55
borders of our closest ally. How?
38:57
That doesn't make sense to me. Well, I.
38:59
Would say that if you've molested.
39:01
An American child, Shouldn't you be required to suggest?
39:03
It's an allegation. Let's be clear.
39:04
One of the things about our system of jurisprudence you're
39:06
innocent until you're proven guilty.
39:07
Fuck. You literally fuck you, kill
39:10
yourself, fuck you. It's an allegation.
39:12
It's on video. There's there's body Cam
39:14
footage. It was a sting operation.
39:16
He brought condoms to meet a 15 year old.
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Fuck you beyond a. Reasonable doubt.
39:23
So if the charges are there, should he be extradited?
39:25
I would say so. The charges are there, yeah.
39:27
OK, so they should be. But that's a Justice Department
39:30
decision, and they're the ones who should be pursuing it.
39:32
To my knowledge, they haven't. They certainly haven't engaged
39:34
the US embassy, or why would the Israeli government harbor?
39:37
Fugitives from justice in the United States?
39:39
I'm not sure. That there are dozens.
39:40
And dozens and dozens. In fact, there's an Israeli
39:43
group that keeps track of them that is dedicated Jewish Israeli
39:46
group dedicated to combating the molestation of children and
39:48
keeps a long list. And then you can look it up and
39:50
I would, I hope you're not. Saying that you think the
39:51
Israelis support the molestation of children, they.
39:55
They literally do, and talk is getting big.
39:57
Of course not. Of course they don't.
39:58
No, they do. They do.
40:00
Maybe it's not every fucking Israeli, but it's clear the
40:04
government's cool with it. Basically, I'm not saying that.
40:06
I'm saying that the Israeli government allows Shields
40:10
accused child. I'm not sure that's from justice
40:11
and I'm not sure I could say that.
40:13
That's something that is provable.
40:14
I don't know, but I am not aware that the Israeli government is
40:17
shielding people you obviously want.
40:19
To sleep well in fashion. How many?
40:20
Fucking ads. Is this cheap cunt Run a Tucker.
40:23
Are you Jewish? How many fucking ads do you
40:25
need? Like fuck this guy, heading.com.
40:30
Promo code Tucker. Well, they are, and I'll give
40:32
you a any one of my. Viewers buys a single fucking
40:35
thing from Tucker Carlson. I will fly to you and beat the
40:37
shit out of you like I'll be sitting fuck you and I just
40:40
want. To make sure that I pronounce
40:41
this this man's name correctly, it's Tom, someone just.
40:44
Goes they campaign to rape their own prisoners.
40:46
Yeah. You want to know a crazy thing?
40:48
Google 61% of Israeli men. 61% of Israeli men don't view rape
40:52
as rape as long as they know the person, I believe.
40:55
Alexandrovich, I think that's right and I'll bring it down.
40:58
But of course, my hand wring is so terrible I can't read it.
41:02
But yes, he is an Israeli, I believe, cybersecurity official
41:07
who was at a conference in Las Vegas last year and was caught
41:10
up in a sting designed to catch people soliciting sex from
41:14
children. He was one of a number of people
41:15
arrested for this. He was arraigned and charged,
41:18
and then two days later, he fled to Israel and did his first
41:21
hearing by Zoom. He was allowed for some reason
41:23
to leave for a foreign country, having already been charged for
41:25
a attempted molestation of a child.
41:28
And he remains here now. And these and there have been
41:30
many news stories about this. And I just wonder if you would
41:32
ask the Israeli government to send to put him on a plane and
41:36
send him back to face justice for attempting to molest an
41:39
American childhood. It doesn't seem complicated, no.
41:41
I. Wouldn't mind doing that, but I
41:43
want to find out if the Justice Department in the US has already
41:45
sought like. Miriam Adelson will fly Jonathan
41:48
Pollard back to Israel. Miriam Adelson, why don't you
41:50
fly fucking Tom Morty and Alexandravik back to the United
41:54
States? Why not?
41:56
Extradite. Is there anything in process?
41:57
I don't know why wouldn't they seek?
41:58
To extradite? I have no idea.
42:00
That's a question for the Justice Department.
42:01
I have many questions. For the Justice Department,
42:03
Like, why are millions of Epstein files still classified?
42:06
Why do you think that is? I have no.
42:07
Idea I haven't kept up with that.
42:09
I've never met the man. I don't know him you haven't
42:11
kept up with. The Epstein disclosure, I mean
42:12
only. From a distance, I'm 6000 miles
42:14
away from DC these days. I'm pretty sure that there's so
42:17
much current. President of Israel, current
42:19
president, who I know, you know, President Herzog going very
42:21
well, apparently was at Pedo Island.
42:23
That's what it says in the disclosures.
42:25
And of course, we know that the former Prime Minister who Barack
42:27
was living on and off at Epstein's house.
42:29
So still living high level Israeli officials are directly
42:34
implicated in Epstein's life, if not his crime.
42:37
So I would think that you'd be following this.
42:39
Only I was not aware that there was any connection with
42:42
President Herzog. I would be surprised to hear
42:43
that and knew there was about the the former Prime Minister
42:47
who apparently had a lot of dealings with Epstein business.
42:50
Dealings and by the way, I, I, I'm not alleging anything, but I
42:52
mean, it's in yes, in the Epstein files and I don't know
42:56
that I've heard the current president of Israel respond to
42:58
it, but he is listed as a visitor to pedo island.
43:01
So that that's kind of a big deal.
43:03
I wonder can, considering there are so many suggestions in the
43:07
files, as I'm sure you know, of sexual abuse, and given that
43:10
Jeffrey Epstein was a convicted sex offender, I wonder why the
43:14
administration you work for would be holding millions of
43:17
files, which I believe belong to the public, hidden for, quote,
43:20
national security reasons. What would those national
43:22
security reasons be, do you think?
43:23
Honestly, I think you've probably got more access to the
43:25
White House sometimes than I do. You should ask them.
43:28
Well, you're But you're the government official representing
43:29
that White House in. Israel and I represent the US
43:33
representing the. Country's funded.
43:35
Jeffrey. Epstein, you fucking corrupt
43:37
cunt dude. And why is this guy so fucking
43:40
ugly? This guy looks like the back of
43:42
my ball. Sack US.
43:43
Government, but honestly nobody has presented that to us well,
43:47
not a dynamic situation here I don't know if you know that or
43:49
not but there's a lot going on in this part of the world and
43:52
frankly that has not been top line item but you're.
43:56
Surprised to hear that the current president of Israel,
43:58
whom you know is listed as a visitor to Pedo Island, had
44:00
never heard. That never heard of even in the
44:02
Israeli press. Are you going to ask?
44:03
Him. Next time you see him, I'll be
44:04
happy to. Talk to him almost every week.
44:07
I guess what I'm asking is not simply as a representative of my
44:09
government or a high US official, but just as like a man
44:12
and a father and a Christian. How could you resist saying
44:15
like, were you on pedal island with Jeffrey Epstein?
44:17
Well, if I'm. Not aware of it.
44:18
And secondly, there are a lot of things that go on in the world.
44:21
I don't question every single person about how do I know?
44:23
More than the ambassador to Israel for America.
44:26
How do I know more about geopolitics and the things
44:29
actually happening in this fucking country?
44:31
Every single thing that may be alleged to country.
44:33
I understand all that, but this is the someone.
44:35
Goes this dude just gets paid to perma vacation in Israel.
44:39
Pretty much dude, this guy's just a con.
44:41
This guy's so fucking corrupt. First I've ever.
44:43
Heard of this? So why do you expect me to have
44:46
knowledge of something like that?
44:47
Well, because you attacked me. Only for suggesting that Jeffrey
44:51
Epstein had ties to Mossad and you said that you think he.
44:53
Does. What's very clear he does from
44:55
you think he does? From where do you get that?
44:57
Well, the fact. That he was in contact
44:59
repeatedly with members of the Israeli government, including
45:01
the current president and the former Prime Minister and all
45:03
kinds of Israeli Intel connected people.
45:05
I'm not saying he'd work for Mossad.
45:06
I don't think we know that. But there's no question that he
45:09
had extensive contact with CIII. Think you said it?
45:12
Turning Point event, everybody knows, Jeffrey Epstein said.
45:15
Everyone thinks. And it turns out everyone was
45:16
right that he did have. I'm not sure.
45:17
Everyone was right or everyone thinks.
45:19
OK, but you said that I was lying and I don't want to make
45:21
this about me. I don't think I said you were.
45:23
Lying Tucker. I don't recall.
45:23
I'm just saying. Why don't we release all the
45:26
files and then we don't need to guess?
45:28
I got no problem. With that, go ahead.
45:30
Well. Because you weighed in on it and
45:32
said that this was not true, when of course I said there was
45:34
no evidence. Well, there's.
45:35
Quite a bit of evidence, but you haven't apparently bothered to
45:38
read any of the files. Is that what you're saying?
45:39
I. Have not read the Epstein files.
45:43
Apparently you have. Well, they're on the but.
45:45
But when you. Say that there's that.
45:46
Everybody knows that Jeffrey Epstein was a Mossadi, so
45:48
everyone believes. That I don't think everybody.
45:50
Does I don't know? Well, everyone knows.
45:52
And he had contact with and by the way, not just Israeli
45:56
intelligence. But here's the thing, the.
45:57
Jews actually know it, they're just not willing to say it out
45:59
loud. American.
46:00
Intelligence, which is more, much more distressing for me.
46:02
I'm not Israeli, I'm American. I don't want my government
46:04
having any contact with someone like Jeffrey Epstein.
46:06
So the shame I wouldn't either is on the United States as far
46:08
as I'm concerned, just to be totally clear about that.
46:10
Everyone's very sensitive about the Israel connection, not at
46:12
all sensitive about the US connection, which I find very
46:14
revealing. We should care about what our
46:16
government does first, I think. But since you weighed in on it
46:19
and said there's no evidence, I'm surprised that since that
46:22
evidence has been open to the public for a month, since you've
46:26
already weighed in publicly on this question, that you've made
46:28
no effort to evaluate that evidence.
46:31
Why is that? I just told.
46:32
You I was certainly not aware that there were some specific
46:35
allegations I knew about the former Prime Minister, but I
46:38
don't know him. I'm not sure I ever met him in
46:41
my many times. You know, I've been to Israel
46:42
over 100 times since 1973. The first time I came here was
46:45
1973 July, and that's almost 53 years of coming and going to
46:50
this country. So I know the country well.
46:52
I know a lot of people here, but I don't know everything and I
46:54
don't know everybody, but I do a lot of people, of course.
46:57
No, and I, and I can see your love for it and I, I think
47:00
that's great. I, but I'm talking about the US
47:01
government and its responsibility to you know,
47:04
there's a lot of complaint about conspiracy theories and
47:06
everyone, you know, he's a hater.
47:08
Everyone's a signing motive, but there's a way to end these
47:11
conversations very quickly with facts.
47:13
And I'm highly confused by. Have you brought this up to the
47:17
president? I mean, no, I don't.
47:20
I don't work for him. I've said this many times, you
47:21
don't work. For him.
47:22
But you, you go to the White House and you see people there.
47:24
You and JD Vance are very good friends.
47:26
So have you brought this up to them?
47:27
Because I have brought. This up in a public Community
47:28
Center portfolio. But apparently it's highly child
47:31
molestation is a significant. Concern for me should be for.
47:36
Everybody but, well, there's an. There is a charge to child
47:39
molester, but I'm saying if. You are very involved in the
47:41
deep, I don't know what. Happened.
47:43
To all my YouTube listeners said my stream got suspended on
47:46
YouTube for some reason. We'll figure that out.
47:48
We'll try Tales of. This I'm not.
47:50
And you think it's the US government that's hiding and
47:52
shielding somebody, then bring it up to the people that you Oh,
47:54
I don't. I don't think that I know it
47:56
because the Justice Department has said we have millions of
47:59
documents we're not releasing. Why are they not?
48:00
Releasing I. I'm asking you as AUS government
48:02
official. Well, but what?
48:03
The answer? Government official at the
48:05
embassy in Jerusalem. That has not one thing to do
48:08
with the Justice Department and what they're investigating on
48:11
any given day and I don't want. To argue or talk in circles.
48:14
But you are the one who brought it up and said it's absolutely
48:17
not true. I was only.
48:18
Responding to what I've heard you say.
48:21
OK, but now? There's evidence and we can
48:23
settle this debate. You haven't looked at the
48:24
evidence and you're not pushing for the release of the total
48:27
corpus of evidence. And I'm confused because I want
48:30
to believe that your goal is to get to the truth, and the
48:32
fastest way to do that is by releasing the evidence.
48:34
Don't you think you? Suggest that I can release the
48:36
evidence I'm suggesting. You could call for it right now.
48:38
Well, I. Fine, call for it.
48:40
I would let's let's have it all open.
48:41
I thought it was being all opened up for everything.
48:43
I. Once it's open, I.
48:44
Hope you'll read it because it's it's really interesting.
48:46
And then it puts to rest a lot of the the debate and it ends
48:50
the name calling because we can say here it is right there and
48:52
we don't have to call people names.
48:53
We can just assess the documents.
48:56
Let me ask you if you bring it up, I.
48:57
Hope you will bring it up to people at the White House.
48:59
Oh, I've brought. I've brought, I'm bringing it up
49:00
right now. I'm bringing it up now.
49:02
And I'm asking, I just want to say this one last time.
49:04
As the US ambassador to Israel, I hope that you will make a
49:07
formal request to the Israeli government to send every accused
49:12
sex offender in this country back to the United States to
49:15
face justice. And I don't understand why that
49:18
hasn't been done. I'm I'm confused.
49:21
But we'll try to clear up all the confusion that we well, if
49:23
someone's been. Accused of trying, they
49:24
definitely. Have to do that, but they
49:26
definitely will not. There's no way he actually makes
49:28
that recommendation. This is fucking insane.
49:31
I found out the reason that YouTube got suspended as I
49:33
showed the ESPN video of the hockey thing.
49:36
Apparently I couldn't do that and that's fucking retarded.
49:38
And to molest a child? I think it's in then.
49:40
Certainly and I'll check with the Justice Department because
49:42
it is a DOJ issue and it would be handled through DOJ, the US
49:46
to the court systems in Israel, that's how it would be handled.
49:49
But the first? Step is the Israeli government
49:50
saying, yes, we will allow you to extradite this person back
49:52
and the person is being shielded by the government.
49:54
That's why the person's here, that's why he fled here, so he
49:56
wouldn't have to stand trial for trying to molest a child.
49:58
I want to get to the as I said at the outset, I said something
50:02
awful that I regret that my wife barked at me about.
50:05
I lashed out at Christian Zionists and evangelicals, and I
50:08
just want to say again that I'm sorry.
50:10
Shut the. Fuck up, I've always.
50:11
Liked them because they're pro-life and they're also really
50:13
nice people. So for the third time, I'm sorry
50:15
that I said that. I think part of my problem was I
50:18
don't understand the theology. And you are not a fake Baptist
50:22
minister. You're an actual minister.
50:23
You had a church for many years. You're an actual theologian.
50:25
So, and I mean, this was sincerity.
50:27
I hear people say those who bless Israel will be blessed.
50:30
I know it's a reference to Genesis.
50:33
I don't understand the connection between that concept
50:35
and modern Israel and the geopolitical world.
50:38
And so I'm going to stand back and let's first define.
50:41
Because, you know, for my days as a debater in high school and
50:43
college, one of the things I knew you didn't start the debate
50:45
till you. The way we look at it as
50:48
Catholics is we are all Israel now.
50:51
And. The people are Israel, it's not
50:54
just the Jews. The the coming of Christ changed
50:58
that the resurrection of like everything changed with Christ
51:01
and the Jews ignore that because they reject Christ find the.
51:05
Terms, man. Let's define the terms.
51:06
Thank you. What is what is a Christian
51:08
Zionist? What?
51:09
OK, What does that mean to you? What does it mean?
51:12
I don't know. It's the people who call me a
51:14
Nazi for asking what Israel means.
51:15
I mean, that's kind of my plan. But no.
51:17
But here's the point. If you say a Christian Zionist
51:20
is a person who has a brain virus and is guilty of heresy,
51:24
that's a pretty big charge. I know.
51:25
I. Shouldn't have made it.
51:26
I shouldn't have made it. I made it out of anger and
51:28
ignorance. So, and I'm Christian.
51:30
I think we can agree as somebody who follows Jesus Christ
51:32
exactly, has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ,
51:35
believes in his death, burial, resurrection, has repented of
51:38
1's sins and have accepted him as one savior.
51:41
Would that be fair? Define that Zionist.
51:44
A Zionist simply means a person who believes that the Jewish
51:48
people have a right to have a homeland where they have
51:51
security and safety. Did you believe that the Jews
51:54
have a right to live in Israel? Do you believe the Jews have a
51:57
right to live in Israel? I.
51:58
That would be a. Zionist.
51:59
That's all a Zionist is. I have a.
52:00
Million questions about what all of those terms mean.
52:03
Yeah, but conceptually, I wish Israel no harm.
52:07
I don't want to see. I want them to have a.
52:08
A place where they could live with I.
52:11
Want Catholics to take Israel back I want the Crusades to
52:14
happen Let. Me.
52:16
So I, I saw this recently in an extremely telling exchange
52:20
between the Lieutenant governor of Texas, who I know and I've
52:22
always liked, and a woman I don't know never met, who's on
52:25
the religious liberty Commission or something.
52:27
And she said, I'm a Catholic, but I'm not a Zionist.
52:30
And this ferocious exchange and he kept saying, everyone on the
52:34
panel seemed to keep saying you have to believe in Israel's
52:37
right to exist. I've never kind of questioned,
52:39
just for the record, but it did raise 2 questions I think are
52:41
really important, and I hope you'll answer them.
52:44
One is, where does that right come from?
52:45
I would think it. Comes from essentially.
52:47
You could say it comes from the Bible.
52:49
I would say that it does, but it comes also from a long iteration
52:52
of historical precedents going through the Balfour Declaration
52:55
of 1917. It comes from the League of
52:57
Nations, 1927. It comes from the United Nations
53:00
1947, the Declaration of Independence of the Israel State
53:04
in May of 1948. They were immediately attacked.
53:06
They won the war. They were attacked again in
53:08
1956. They won the war.
53:09
They were attacked again in 1967 by 5 countries.
53:11
They won the war. They were attacked again in 1973
53:14
in the Yom Kippur War. They won the war.
53:16
The point is, does Israel have a right to exist?
53:19
They also had wars in 1982 in Lebanon.
53:20
They've had to Fatas. Two of those they've had Lebanon
53:23
in. 06 I was there. No, I'm very familiar with the
53:26
modern history of the state. OK, pretty familiar, I think.
53:28
And I've been there. Zionists.
53:29
Simply means somebody who believes that Israel has a right
53:32
to exist. Now the question is, do you
53:33
believe Israel has a right to exist?
53:34
I guess I. Mean I want to exist.
53:36
Well no, but I want to know what that means.
53:37
So like do other countries have a right to exist?
53:39
Well, they do exist. Do they have a right to?
53:41
Exist you keep saying Israel has a right to exist and I want to
53:44
know what other countries have a legal.
53:45
Right, because every international body in the last
53:47
100 years has said the Jewish people have a right.
53:50
I I understand they're. Indigenous, but my question
53:52
that's a legal. Right.
53:53
What other have a biblical right?
53:54
I would say that yes, but you might say they don't.
53:56
I don't know I'm. Actually sincerely interested in
53:58
finding out what you mean by biblical right.
54:00
But first to legal right, Does any other country on the planet
54:03
have the same right that Israel has to exist?
54:06
Well, you could say. Does Jordan have a right to
54:08
exist? When it was Transjordan and the
54:10
Brits came and divided up the Middle East and they gave some
54:13
land to Jordanians and they gave some land to the Saudis and they
54:16
gave some land to various Middle Eastern countries, and it was
54:19
all carved up. And the French gave Lebanon its
54:22
right to exist. Do they have a right to exist?
54:24
Do they? Well, why not?
54:26
OK, so that's my SO every country.
54:28
US have a right to exist. I'm asking you.
54:30
OK, and I'm telling. You.
54:30
I think the US has a right to exist.
54:32
OK? We came here.
54:33
We came there. We're in Israel now talking, but
54:36
does the US have a right to exist?
54:37
Has anyone questioned whether we have a right to exist?
54:39
I don't, yeah. But but I of course, I'm for
54:42
America, you know, good for you. But I so every current country
54:46
on the map has the same right to exist that Israel has.
54:49
Is that what you're saying? I think what we're saying.
54:50
Is that when a country has established itself and it is
54:53
following international law, it has been deemed by numerous
54:57
bodies that it is indigenous to its homeland, as Israel is.
55:01
This is its homeland. It goes back 3800 years to the
55:04
time of Abraham. It's not that well now.
55:06
I'm going to Jewish people. Just showed up here in 1948 and
55:09
said we're going to we're going to have some hold on so those.
55:11
Are two different tracks and I just want to make sure that we
55:13
separate them so I understand each one separately.
55:14
All right. So you're saying there's the
55:16
modern legal framework and so you said a country that abides
55:18
by international law has a right to exist, I would say.
55:21
That that is a part, would it? Would it be?
55:23
Would the inverse be true that a country that does not abide by
55:25
international law forfeits its right to exist?
55:27
Not necessarily if it has the capacity to stay and make its
55:30
case known, but there have been Jewish people in this land, but
55:33
that's in this very land for 3800 years.
55:37
OK, so but you're saying as the modern nation state with borders
55:42
and a military and a Knesset and just all the kind of trappings
55:45
of a modern country, all of which I support, that country
55:49
has every country on the planet has the same right as Israel to
55:53
exist because it does exist. Is that what you're, I'm just
55:55
trying to understand the concept here.
55:57
Well, I think. What we're trying to get to is
55:58
Christian Zionism, and you've taken this way off the road.
56:01
You know that I. Have I don't mean to Christian
56:03
Zionism is a type of thing, but I just keep hearing people say
56:06
Zionism is the belief that's the fundamental.
56:08
Argument that's going on. Does Israel have a right to live
56:11
in their indigenous ancient historical land, a land that has
56:15
been affirmed throughout international organizations, a
56:18
land that has direct ties to the Jewish people?
56:20
I just want to know. If this is a universal
56:22
principle, I guess that's what I'm getting at.
56:23
Because if it's not, then it's meaningless to me, because as a
56:26
Christian, I believe in. It's so ridiculous.
56:27
I just got a strike on YouTube for the ESPN video.
56:30
What the fuck, that's insane. Universal principle something is
56:34
right for everyone or it's wrong for everyone.
56:37
We don't believe in special here's the question if the Jews.
56:39
Didn't have this land. Would the Jews have a right to
56:42
any land? I, I don't know, I'm not
56:44
attacking the Jews. I'm asking if this applies to
56:46
every people and every nation. Does every nation have the same
56:49
right to its own homeland, to its own physical land that you
56:53
say Israel does? I feel like we're in a.
56:54
Rabbit hole here? No, I think it's a very.
56:56
Straightforward question, but does that right extend to other
56:58
countries other than this? But the most important?
56:59
Thing that is going on in our culture right now is whether or
57:01
not the people that are yelling in the streets from the river to
57:03
the sea, whether that that's a legitimate point of view to say
57:07
that there should not be a Jewish homeland.
57:09
There should not be. I'm not a.
57:11
Jewish. You'll never hear me.
57:12
Period. I just want to know you haven't
57:13
said it. But that's that's the argument.
57:14
One of the arguments going on globally in the United States,
57:18
excuse me, has a pretty narrow view, I would say, You know,
57:20
media, culture, what's happening around the world.
57:22
There are plenty of countries having this debate.
57:24
Stonehenge is a lot older than the first temple in Israel, and
57:27
it was built by the same people who live there.
57:29
Now it's the same people and they are being pushed off their
57:32
island and outnumbered by people from other places.
57:34
And so in Great Britain, in Ireland, which is also a a
57:38
country with a nation of people, a race if you will, that is
57:41
being displaced, replaced. Who are they?
57:43
Being replaced by immigrants. OK, from other places I just
57:45
wanted to. Clarify because I was one of
57:47
the, well, just as a. As a demographic matter, it's
57:48
just like, you can look at the numbers.
57:49
It's not controversial. Just look at the numbers.
57:51
They'll be a minority in their country, and their people have
57:53
been there longer than the Jews have been in Israel.
57:56
And so they're having this debate, too.
57:57
That's all I'm saying. And lots of places are having
57:59
this debate. So does that principle apply to
58:02
everyone or is it specific just to Israel?
58:05
I think it. Applies specifically to Israel.
58:07
It applies to anyone who can prove that they have some
58:10
connection to the land and connection to the history and
58:11
connection to international law. But Israel, I think does have.
58:15
International law. So if again, no but let.
58:17
Me finish this, Sir, because here's the here's the point.
58:20
We're talking about Christian Zionism, the idea that as a
58:22
Christian, I believe in both the Old and the New Testament.
58:24
Why wouldn't I? I'm a person in the book.
58:26
There are 80 million evangelical Christians in the United States.
58:28
What makes us who we are is our adherence to the Scripture, our
58:32
belief that the Bible, all of it, not part of it, but all of
58:34
it is the word of the living God.
58:36
So if I believe in the Old and the New Testament, I do believe
58:39
that there is a very specific call to the Jewish people that
58:43
started with Abraham and he called him out of what is now
58:46
modern day Iraq, said come where I send you.
58:49
He came. This is the land, Genesis 12
58:51
three. He says, I will bless those who
58:54
bless you, curse those who curse you.
58:55
In Genesis 17, He looks out of the world.
58:58
He says, look, and this is where I'm giving you the land.
59:01
I think it's since that time there have been people living in
59:04
this land, connected to that moment of history.
59:07
So there is a historical connection.
59:09
I'm not even broken. You've said that and I want to
59:12
ask you what that means a little more specifically, if that's OK.
59:13
But first let me just say that you can say the same thing of
59:16
Britain's who've been there in their land longer.
59:18
Is anybody trying? To tell the Britain's they, the
59:19
Brits, they can't live there anymore.
59:21
No what's? Happening is they are saying
59:22
that to the Jews Oh OK, but I just wonder if you'd extend
59:26
extend the same sympathy or the same principle.
59:28
You don't. You seem like this is you think
59:29
I'm trying to trap you. I'm not.
59:30
I'm at all trying to trap you. I it'd be as simple as saying
59:33
native Britains have. That's no problem with the.
59:34
Native Brits having their land, having the right point there.
59:37
I don't know that there is a biblical connection for the
59:39
Brits, but I would say. So that's what they take that
59:41
off the. Table.
59:42
And I think there's still a basis for the Jews having this
59:46
little bitty strip of real estate.
59:47
And it is. I'm not even arguing.
59:48
With you, I'm just trying to at all.
59:49
I'm just trying to understand what it is that you're saying
59:51
because it's, it's not obvious to me and maybe it's an IQ
59:54
problem, but I'm having full understanding.
59:55
But let me just go back to just clarify one thing.
59:58
You brought up international at least twice, maybe three times
1:00:00
as a basis for Israel's legitimacy.
1:00:03
If Israel was out of compliance with international or whatever
1:00:05
that is, would it be less legitimate?
1:00:08
Depends on if the the law and the way it's applied is
1:00:10
legitimate there. There are some applications of
1:00:12
so-called international law that are not legitimate.
1:00:14
I agree. Look at the ICC or the ICJI.
1:00:16
Agree. Utterly.
1:00:16
Ridiculous. One of the reasons I'm so
1:00:18
grateful President Trump and Secretary Rubio are pushing hard
1:00:21
trying to get rid of the ICC and the ICJ is because they have
1:00:24
become rogue organizations that are no longer really about an
1:00:27
equal application of law. And I don't know enough.
1:00:30
About it to say if that's true or not I I but I just I'm
1:00:33
interested that you yourself appeal to international law as a
1:00:36
basis of his Israel's. But what I'm looking at is.
1:00:38
The whole of the last 100 years. The Balfour.
1:00:41
Declaration is not exactly international law, by the way.
1:00:43
It was. It was maybe.
1:00:44
Maybe not law, but it was a declaration.
1:00:46
It was a an assumption and a declaration that was done by
1:00:50
Lord Balfour in the in Great Britain at that time.
1:00:53
This land was under the British mandate and he said that you
1:00:56
should have the land that was theirs from 3800 years ago.
1:01:00
It was simple as that, right? I'm.
1:01:01
Not debating that, I'm just it. Was not it?
1:01:04
Was not international law, it was a colonial power saying OK,
1:01:06
there's later in the. Divide of national law under the
1:01:08
legal nations under the United Nations.
1:01:09
And then because of the victories that Israel had
1:01:11
against those who tried to annihilate them.
1:01:13
And it wasn't just that they were trying to take a little
1:01:15
piece of their land, they tried to annihilate them.
1:01:16
And there is still to this day, the shouts are from the river to
1:01:20
the sea. And Tucker, that means only one
1:01:21
thing, not the shrinking of Israel, but the annihilation of
1:01:25
Israel, I don't think. That's I don't think you can say
1:01:27
that you know what it means actually, because you don't know
1:01:29
what's in people's hearts. So why don't we just deal with
1:01:31
the facts? Maybe some people mean that in
1:01:32
their mouths I. Know it's in their minds.
1:01:34
I'm not look you'll. Never hear me say that you will
1:01:35
hear me say is I'm confused by what the definitions are.
1:01:37
So let's go through this. You've appealed to Genesis.
1:01:39
Genesis 15 says it's Abraham, it's pre Abraham.
1:01:41
It's Abraham receives from God the news that his descendants
1:01:44
will inherit the land. And you tell me as the as the
1:01:45
theologian, if I'm getting this wrong, but from the Euphrates to
1:01:48
the Nile, I think, I think that's right.
1:01:50
And that would include like basically the entire Middle
1:01:52
East. That would be the Levant.
1:01:54
So that would be Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon.
1:01:56
It would also be big parts of Saudi Arabia and Iraq.
1:01:59
It would be, I mean, it would go that far.
1:02:00
I mean, it would be a big piece of land.
1:02:01
But here's the point. It would be a lot of places that
1:02:03
are now countries that this particular area that we're
1:02:05
talking about now. Israel is is a is.
1:02:09
Tucker trying to expose the Greater Israel Project.
1:02:13
Land that God gave through Abraham to a people that he
1:02:15
chose It was a people, a place and a purpose.
1:02:17
We we can look at it that way. Christian Zionism.
1:02:19
I want to go back because that's where we started.
1:02:20
And I'm going to let you off on this because.
1:02:22
You have went in three times that God gave this land to this
1:02:25
people. And so it is entirely fair for
1:02:26
me with respect to ask what land are you talking about?
1:02:28
Because I just read Genesis 15 as I have many times.
1:02:30
And that land, I think it says from the Nile to the Euphrates,
1:02:33
which is once again basically the entire Middle East.
1:02:35
So God gave that land to his people, the Jews or he didn't.
1:02:38
You're saying he did. What does that mean?
1:02:41
Does Israel have the right to that land?
1:02:43
Because you're appealing to Genesis, You're saying that's
1:02:44
the original deed. It would be fine if they took it
1:02:48
all, but I don't think that's what we're talking about here
1:02:50
today. What would be?
1:02:50
I'd see. They admit it out loud.
1:02:52
There you go right there. That's what we have been saying
1:02:55
on this show and so many people have been saying for a while.
1:02:58
Israel is trying to take the entire Middle East.
1:03:01
What's exactly what we're talking about today, But here's.
1:03:03
What I don't think you're doing it would be.
1:03:04
Fine, if the state of Israel took over all don't want to take
1:03:06
it. Over.
1:03:06
They're not asking to take it over, but you're saying?
1:03:07
That the reason that Israel is legitimate, has this inherent
1:03:10
right to exist, is in part because God gave it to his
1:03:12
people. And I am going to the same Bible
1:03:14
that you're referring to and noticing that that is a huge
1:03:16
piece of land. So if God gave them that land,
1:03:18
then they have a right to take it now by your definition.
1:03:20
Unless I'm missing something, I think you're missing.
1:03:21
Something because they're not asking to go back to take all of
1:03:24
that, but they are asking to at least take the land that they
1:03:27
now occupy, they now live in, they now own legitimately and it
1:03:30
is a safe haven for them. But may I ask though?
1:03:32
As it's because you're appealing, you're explaining
1:03:33
what Christian Zionism is in your theological beliefs and you
1:03:36
think you just said it would be fine with you if the state of
1:03:38
Israel took all of ours in all of Syria, all of Lebanon.
1:03:41
That's that's. Really not exactly what I'm
1:03:42
trying to I'm asking is that what you?
1:03:43
Said I thought that's what you just said.
1:03:44
It was somewhat. Of a hyperbolic statement in the
1:03:46
you know, if that's what you feel like that we're talking
1:03:48
about, but it isn't. We're talking about this land
1:03:50
that Israel, the state of Israel, now lives in and wants
1:03:54
to have peace in. They're not trying to take over
1:03:56
Jordan. They're not trying to take over
1:03:58
Syria. They're not trying to take over
1:03:59
Iraq or anywhere else. But they do want to protect
1:04:01
their people. No, they're not trying to take
1:04:03
over Lebanon. But you're saying that?
1:04:04
As a religious man, as a Christian, a Christian Zionist,
1:04:06
you agree with a lot of religious communities here in
1:04:08
Israel that the justification for this country is theological.
1:04:11
It's a, it's a contract between God and his people.
1:04:13
And I'm telling you that that contract includes a tract of
1:04:15
land that is much larger than the current nation state.
1:04:17
So you may be a bigger. Zionist than even the Jews are.
1:04:19
I'm trying to. Understand the implications of
1:04:21
your theology for geopolitics because you're saying that the.
1:04:24
The present government of Israel has a moral right to take over
1:04:26
what are now other people's countries.
1:04:27
No, I didn't say that. And what are you saying?
1:04:29
I'm simply saying that the people who live in Israel, I
1:04:32
think have a right to have security, have safety.
1:04:34
They have a right to be able to live in this land that they have
1:04:37
a connection to. For 30, I told myself I said a
1:04:39
prayer, not get annoyed, but as someone who is.
1:04:41
You know, the father of daughters.
1:04:43
When I see child molesters hiding in Israel and escaping
1:04:46
American justice, I think I have a right to safety in my country
1:04:49
too. So you can understand that.
1:04:50
I think most people feel they have a right to safety.
1:04:52
I do think Israel has a right to safety.
1:04:53
And I, I hope that for them and I'm sincere, but I'm an American
1:04:57
and I have a right to safety in my country too.
1:04:59
And I think so. But I just want to get to this
1:05:00
point. If Israel were to say God gave
1:05:03
us in Genesis 15 all of Lebanon, all of Syria, all the way up to
1:05:08
Iraq, would that be legitimate in your view?
1:05:10
I don't think in this. Particular day and time they're
1:05:12
asking for it. Would it be legitimate?
1:05:13
I'm not sure that it would be. Why?
1:05:14
Because. You just said that.
1:05:15
Because I think that there is a, a, an understanding that the
1:05:18
people of Israel today, now if they end up getting attacked by
1:05:21
all these places and they win that war and they take that land
1:05:23
and OK, that that's a whole nother, whole nother discussion.
1:05:26
But you and I started out, we started talking about something
1:05:28
simple. Christian Zionism, it turns out.
1:05:30
And now you. Because I don't.
1:05:31
The core of Christian Zionism. You said it.
1:05:33
Including you is the understanding, the belief, the
1:05:35
theological understanding that Jews have a moral and legal we
1:05:38
went to the Huckabee can't. Answer this question right now
1:05:41
he's crumbling and I wish Tucker would push even a little harder
1:05:45
than he is on this the biblical. Moral deriving from the biblical
1:05:48
promises in our Bible which we share with the Jewish people.
1:05:50
The first part of the Google Testament.
1:05:52
That it derives. From God's promise to the Jews.
1:05:54
And so I have two questions. What are the borders of that and
1:05:58
who are those people in 2026? And you're not the first person
1:06:02
I've asked, but you're the most reasonable, most gentle, most
1:06:04
theologically informed person. So I'm really hoping for an
1:06:05
answer. The first question was the
1:06:07
borders. I can't get an answer.
1:06:08
Those borders are, so I'm going to give up.
1:06:09
But the second question is everybody's pressing, which is
1:06:11
who are the people? Who are the modern?
1:06:13
Yes, who are, who are the descendants?
1:06:14
So we know and I believe and I agree with you as a Christian
1:06:16
that God promised this land from modern day Iraq to modern day
1:06:20
Egypt to this people, the Jews to Abraham's, actually not to
1:06:22
the Abraham's descendants as it isn't.
1:06:24
How does he call? Himself a Christian.
1:06:26
Like seriously, how does Tucker call himself a Christian?
1:06:30
The prophecy of the Old Testament was fulfilled.
1:06:33
The New Testament supersedes it. And Tucker, Like why don't, why
1:06:36
don't you say that? Why are you such a fucking
1:06:38
idiot? How do I know more about this
1:06:39
than you, Genesis? 15 Who are his?
1:06:41
Descendants now and how do we know who they are?
1:06:43
I think they're the Jews. And we know who they are because
1:06:44
they've always been the Jewish people.
1:06:46
There has been an unbroken line of Jewish people and they've
1:06:48
lived in this land for 3800 years.
1:06:50
Sometimes not very many of them because they were chased out all
1:06:52
over the world. They were haunted down.
1:06:53
They were almost annihilated during the Holocaust.
1:06:55
They came back to this day, Tucker, they represent, you
1:06:58
know, how many Jews are in the whole world.
1:06:59
First of all, the greatest genocide of Jews no one ever
1:07:01
mentions was by the Romans, where they were literally banned
1:07:04
from Jerusalem for 500 years. Yeah, of course.
1:07:06
And and. It's all awful and I'm opposed
1:07:07
to all of that. I'm opposed to mass killing of
1:07:09
anybody, period. I'm opposed to say that I mean
1:07:11
it. Yeah, I believe I am.
1:07:12
I believe that. My.
1:07:14
Question is, and it's not a bumper sticker answer, it's a
1:07:16
sincere answer. How do we know?
1:07:17
Because what you're saying is that certain people have a title
1:07:20
to a highly contested region. They own it in some deep sense.
1:07:23
So I think it's fair to ask, who are they and how do we know?
1:07:25
So the current prime minister's ancestors weren't from here,
1:07:28
within recorded history there. He has no deed.
1:07:30
B Netanyahu on one side is Spanish from Poland, they're
1:07:32
from Eastern Europe. So how do we know that he has a
1:07:34
connection to the people who God promised the land to Abram's
1:07:37
descendants? How do we know that?
1:07:38
Well, if you take. The genealogies that come not
1:07:39
only from the Old but the New Testament.
1:07:41
You see that there is a historical connection through
1:07:43
the entirety of the Old and the New Testament that details the
1:07:46
Jewish connection to this land. Does that include to?
1:07:48
His family, how do we know that if his family were shattered?
1:07:50
But how do we know it's the same people?
1:07:51
No. Why is that crazy?
1:07:53
If if, if you say to me if they speak.
1:07:54
The same language, if they worship the same God, if they
1:07:56
follow the same Bible, if they follow the same cultures and
1:07:58
traditions, and they always pray next year in Jerusalem and they
1:08:00
pray for the peace of Jerusalem and they pray facing toward
1:08:02
Jerusalem. Does that not give you a little
1:08:04
bit of a clue as to who they? Let's go through those.
1:08:05
Things because I would like let's have a rational this is a
1:08:07
conversation if you wanted bless you thank you for doing this
1:08:09
let's just go through those things OK so one of the things I
1:08:11
admire most about Israel is they resurrected a dead language in
1:08:13
1948 good for that Well, they really.
1:08:15
Didn't resurrect it it it was existent.
1:08:17
OK, I'm not. That's not, but it is a
1:08:18
compliment. I'm not, but it is the first.
1:08:20
Time in all of human history that a language has survived
1:08:22
through this length of time. It's it's it's.
1:08:24
I would call it you might not, but I would call it a miracle,
1:08:26
one of many. OK, I think it's.
1:08:27
Wonderful, as someone who loves language.
1:08:30
Nano's parents did not speak Hebrew, OK?
1:08:31
They didn't live in this region. And Netanyahu, the founders of
1:08:34
this country, were mostly secular.
1:08:35
Some of them were vowed atheists.
1:08:36
They were not praying for the peace.
1:08:37
Jews, they weren't praying at all because they don't believe
1:08:39
in God. There's no genealogy linking
1:08:41
their families to the people of this land 3000 years ago.
1:08:44
They're not. So how do we know, since they
1:08:46
didn't share a language, they didn't share a religion.
1:08:47
They had no religion whatsoever. How do we know that they had a
1:08:51
right to come here from Eastern Europe?
1:08:53
And but they were. Scattered the land.
1:08:55
They were scattered. They were scattered all over the
1:08:57
world. There were many in Ethiopia,
1:08:58
They were in Russia, they were in Poland.
1:09:00
They were throughout Asia. Jews were all over the place,
1:09:02
but they were still Jews. But they were still Jews.
1:09:04
OK, so let me get to. The nub of the question, since
1:09:06
again, a lot does it take a lot of money, is at stake.
1:09:08
Land is very valuable. Israel has a lot of resources.
1:09:10
By the way, if you're accused of crime, you can hide here.
1:09:12
That's a pretty good passport to have.
1:09:13
It's a good thing, right? So who's entitled to it?
1:09:16
I don't understand. And you're very discouraged in
1:09:18
the United States from asking this question for some reason.
1:09:19
It's a totally I'm not discouraged.
1:09:20
You're not discouraging others do you're the only person I have
1:09:22
this conversation. Be like, shut up, Nazi.
1:09:24
It's a foundational question. Are you Speaking of an ethnic
1:09:27
group or a religious group? Well, I.
1:09:29
Think you're looking at For many people, it is religious.
1:09:31
There are people who may not have a deep religious connection
1:09:34
to Judaism, but they're still Jews.
1:09:35
So it's it's. An ethnic category.
1:09:36
It is ethnic. But it is also religious.
1:09:38
It is rooted in religion. You can't take it out of it now.
1:09:40
That means how can an atheist? Well, I will tell you this,
1:09:42
there are some. People who say I'm Christian,
1:09:43
they never go to church, they never pray, they never read
1:09:45
their Bible, they don't tithe, but they're not entitled to.
1:09:47
Citizenship on the basis of that, they're not.
1:09:48
Entitled. They still call themselves
1:09:49
Christian, even though they identify in a big way.
1:09:51
Here's the difference. You're saying that people who
1:09:53
have this identification have a deed to a huge chunk of land on
1:09:58
the Mediterranean. OK, so there's, you know, it's
1:10:01
it's right. You keep telling me it's right.
1:10:03
And so it's totally fair to say if you come to my house and say
1:10:05
I've got the title to your house, I get to ask, may I see
1:10:07
it? Where'd you get it?
1:10:08
And that's exactly what happened here.
1:10:09
People from Europe, Eastern Europe came here in a lot of
1:10:11
cases atheists, and kicked out a lot of people.
1:10:14
They bought here land. Well, but they did not just
1:10:16
throw people. They bought a lot of land.
1:10:17
Don't they sure bought a lot of land.
1:10:18
But they also in 1948. Kicked out a lot of people in
1:10:21
the war it. Was a War I.
1:10:22
Agree. I'm not Look, I'm not want to
1:10:23
reinitigate the history. I'm just saying it's a fact.
1:10:25
Including a lot of Christians, a lot of Christians, a lot wound
1:10:28
up fleeing and they lost their homes and they've never been
1:10:30
allowed back. And all of this was justified on
1:10:31
the basis of this identity that forms.
1:10:34
There's the ticket to the right that you keep referring to.
1:10:36
So my question is very simple. I'm going to wait patiently for
1:10:38
an answer. Does this right derive from
1:10:39
religious affiliation or from genetics?
1:10:41
And I would say it's. Both.
1:10:42
But I would also say that when you said the Christians were
1:10:44
kicked out, Tucker, Christianity is growing in Israel and there
1:10:47
is a big lie that goes out there.
1:10:48
But let me finish this because I keep hearing that Christians are
1:10:51
really not treated well. They're not.
1:10:53
They're literally spit on and killed in Israel.
1:10:55
That's. Just simply that's a lie.
1:10:56
There's a lie. There are lots of different.
1:10:58
There are 34,000 Christians in Israel in 1948.
1:11:00
There are 184,000 Christians here today and by Israel.
1:11:02
What are you counting? You talking about the land?
1:11:04
What? What?
1:11:05
What? Territory.
1:11:05
Are you counting, you're talking about Israel proper.
1:11:07
Are you counting about the West Bank as well?
1:11:09
And Gaza? I mean, what?
1:11:09
What do you when you say Israel, those numbers apply to what land
1:11:11
mass it would be in? Israel proper, OK, they're
1:11:13
184,000 now. I'll tell you where Christians
1:11:15
are not doing very well. They're not doing very well in
1:11:17
the Muslim controlled countries. There's almost no Christians in
1:11:20
Qatar, for example, except those who live in the Christian
1:11:22
ghetto, who are the service workers.
1:11:24
I'm sorry. And look, I don't want to argue
1:11:25
with you there. There are many more Christians
1:11:26
in Qatar than are in Israel. That's not true.
1:11:28
That actually is true. And I refer you to Wikipedia,
1:11:29
Mr. Ambassador, Wikipedia the I refer you to the government of
1:11:31
Qatar, the government of Israel. These are noble facts like I'm
1:11:33
and I'm in Jordan by the numbers are down in Syria, the numbers
1:11:35
are down and let the numbers are down.
1:11:36
Are you that they're about? How is this?
1:11:38
Guy in this position, This guy's just a fucking retard.
1:11:41
Twice. As many Christians, but they
1:11:42
live in the. Enclave.
1:11:43
They're not native Qataris. OK, we're we're mixing.
1:11:46
So many different categories here.
1:11:47
I'm just saying I get things wrong all the time.
1:11:48
You've just gotten something wrong and I think it's important
1:11:50
to acknowledge it. There are many more Christians
1:11:51
in Qatar in there. In Israel, in fact.
1:11:52
How many now You caught me. I don't know.
1:11:53
I can put my phone, but I was just there.
1:11:54
And there's many more, like whatever.
1:11:56
But I just want to get to the point that forms the basis of
1:11:58
this whole conversation, which is who has a right to the land?
1:12:02
And you said it's a mixture of religion and ethnicity.
1:12:04
Because as I noted and you agree, many of the founders,
1:12:06
maybe the majority of the founders of modern Israel, did
1:12:07
not even got it all. So they were not religious Jews.
1:12:09
They weren't religious at all. They were atheists.
1:12:10
Atheists. I believe them.
1:12:12
So that suggests it's ethnic, but it's also true, as you well
1:12:15
know, because there's a famous court case about this, that
1:12:17
ethnic Jews who convert to Christianity do not have the
1:12:19
right of return. That was settled by the Israeli
1:12:20
Supreme Court. I'm very confused.
1:12:22
So that would suggest it's not ethnicity because you invalidate
1:12:25
your Jewishness by converting to Christianity.
1:12:27
There are a number of. Messianic Jews who live in
1:12:28
Israel. I'm here.
1:12:30
I'm aware of, I'm aware of that number.
1:12:31
But you're not contesting what I'm saying because it's a very
1:12:33
famous court case where the right.
1:12:35
Of return has to do with your mother, your grandmother.
1:12:37
It has to do with family cosmic. There's a lot of sure ethnicity
1:12:40
is a big part of the right of return.
1:12:41
Great to make aliyah then to come to Israel, then live here
1:12:44
then if I if. Both of your parents are Jewish
1:12:46
and you have an ethnic right to land.
1:12:48
You are one of Abraham's descendants, but you convert to
1:12:50
Christianity. How is it you don't have the
1:12:51
right to return? I'm totally confused.
1:12:52
I know a. Number of people who have
1:12:54
returned as Christians but have Jewish history are you saying?
1:12:57
That Jews who convert to Christianity have a right, a
1:13:00
legal right to return. Because I know that they do.
1:13:03
Whether when you say do they have a right to return, do they
1:13:05
prove it's a, it's a legal category as an in government,
1:13:07
which is by their family history, their grandmother,
1:13:09
their mother. And there are many aspects of
1:13:11
that I've read, I think I know that these are people who are
1:13:13
Christian and they came here, made Ali ah, they had Jewish
1:13:16
blood, Jewish history, they were Christian Messianic, but they
1:13:20
came here and they were welcomed here and they were given.
1:13:22
Full legal rights, absolutely. And a passport.
1:13:24
So. So clearly that's not it's not
1:13:25
true that you invalidate your right of return by converting to
1:13:28
Christianity. That's just false.
1:13:29
I'm not aware of that. I I know that there are a number
1:13:31
of Christians here. I go to church with Christians
1:13:32
every week here of course, and. There's you have a right to come
1:13:34
and say I'm an ethnic Jew even though I practice Christianity.
1:13:37
Therefore I have every bit as much right to move into a
1:13:40
settlement in the West Bank or into E Rose or anywhere I want
1:13:43
Galilee, anywhere because I'm returning to the land of my
1:13:45
forefathers, of the legal right in the state of Israel, even
1:13:47
though I've converted to Christianity.
1:13:48
You're saying that's true. I'm saying.
1:13:50
I know people have done it. Now can can I tell you what the
1:13:51
law specifically is? I'm not sure.
1:13:53
Well, it's really I'm not. I don't have any Jewish roots,
1:13:55
so therefore I cannot quote you the law.
1:13:57
If you want me to do that, I'll look at it really matters.
1:13:59
Because you're saying in fact people in the United States are
1:14:00
being called anti Semites, A lot of them, including me, because
1:14:05
they somehow don't believe that Israel has a right to this land.
1:14:07
Do you think Israel? Has a right to this land.
1:14:09
No, you haven't. Defined what the land is, and
1:14:10
you haven't defined who Israel is, so I really don't know.
1:14:12
It is the land they're living in now, the borders that they have.
1:14:14
The borders are. Moving the borders have moved in
1:14:16
the last year. What do you mean the?
1:14:17
Borders have moved in. Well, they are the 19. 67
1:14:19
borders. I'm including, you know, the the
1:14:21
Jerusalem. And Jerusalem, Samaria.
1:14:22
What are the borders? Of Judea and Samaria.
1:14:25
Well, you basically. Take the Jordan River and it's
1:14:28
West of the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, to the
1:14:31
Lebanon border. And Israel did have control of
1:14:33
the Sinai. They gave that to Egypt.
1:14:35
They had control of it. They gave it away in 1979 in the
1:14:37
peace agreement, but OK. So whatever you call it, the
1:14:41
land that was taken from Jordan in 1967, you call it Judea and
1:14:44
Samaria. There's a significance to that
1:14:45
that I don't fully understand against It's the biblical.
1:14:48
It's the biblical 80% of the Bible happened in Judea and
1:14:50
Samaria. We've also established that the
1:14:51
Bible gives. Jews the right to occupy the
1:14:53
land from the Nile to the Euphrates.
1:14:54
So I'm very confused by why we've shrunk the land and why
1:14:58
we're Israel has. Shrunk the land.
1:15:00
They have made that decision. That's why they gave away.
1:15:01
Now it's my. Now it's given away a lot of
1:15:03
things. Abram's descendants are the ones
1:15:06
who have the right to have this land, correct?
1:15:08
Yes. OK.
1:15:09
Why don't we do genetic testing on everybody in the land and
1:15:11
find out who Abraham's descendants are?
1:15:12
It's really simple. We've tracked the human genome.
1:15:14
We can do that. Why don't we do that?
1:15:16
Would you be against doing that? I have no idea what that would
1:15:20
prove. I mean, maybe it would be.
1:15:22
What do you mean what? It would.
1:15:22
It would prove who Abram's descendants are and who has a a
1:15:25
right to live here and who doesn't, according to the
1:15:27
theology that you yourself just explained.
1:15:29
And so I'm very confused as to why we don't do that.
1:15:32
Was that just? Like a 5 minute long trap by
1:15:37
Tucker Carlson to get him into this question right here.
1:15:40
And look at that ugly ass face. Like what the fuck?
1:15:43
Someone said. What's up Mike boys?
1:15:46
Mike is a shell. Yeah, Mike Huckabee's a cunt.
1:15:50
All over the world and everybody says the only.
1:15:52
Country in a world that you've said has this covenant with God,
1:15:56
that this people have a moral and legal right to the land,
1:15:59
what about people who convert to?
1:16:00
Judaism, would they have a right?
1:16:01
Well, you've just, you've just said they're not Judaism.
1:16:05
So you just told them they can make aliyah.
1:16:07
They may not have. You've just told me that.
1:16:09
It doesn't matter, you told me moments ago.
1:16:12
Try to keep track that it doesn't matter whether or not
1:16:15
you believe in God or whether or not you practice Torah Judaism
1:16:18
or Rabbinic Judaism, which is something else that I I don't
1:16:20
even know if we should. I don't even know what that
1:16:22
means. But it doesn't matter whether
1:16:24
you're, quote, a religious Jew or not.
1:16:26
What matters is that you are part of the Jewish people to
1:16:30
whom God gave this land that extends from the Niles of
1:16:33
Euphrates. And so if you believe that,
1:16:35
wouldn't you want to know with a burning passion who those people
1:16:38
are? And because of science, we can
1:16:39
now know who those people are. So why aren't we finding out?
1:16:44
I guess you could propose adna test for everybody who comes
1:16:47
here, everybody who lives here. But I'm comfortable with
1:16:49
secular. Nation states where it's none of
1:16:51
this is done on the basis of blood.
1:16:53
I'm uncomfortable with that, I'll just say that.
1:16:54
But there are people. Who may not have bloodlines but
1:16:57
who have converted to Judaism. Are they going to be able to
1:16:59
live here? Are you going to kick them out
1:17:01
by your standards? They can't live here because
1:17:02
you've just never said no, no, that they have a right to live
1:17:05
here because God gave them the land, because they're the
1:17:07
descendants of Abraham. They're the.
1:17:08
Descendants of Abraham. But if they're the spiritual
1:17:10
descendants of Abraham, and they've now decided that they're
1:17:13
converting to Judaism, then do they have a right to live in
1:17:17
Israel? Well, there's a whole legal
1:17:19
literature in Israel on that question, and my understanding
1:17:23
is that certain types of modern Judaism qualify a person and
1:17:26
other types don't. Is that your understanding?
1:17:30
I don't believe that people converted and I could have this
1:17:33
wrong, but I know people who faced this person.
1:17:35
People. I don't believe people who've
1:17:36
converted in a Reformed synagogue have the right of
1:17:40
return. I I don't think that is because
1:17:41
I know people who've married into Jewish families and they
1:17:43
find out they don't have the right of return.
1:17:45
So that is perplexing to me. Yeah, I know.
1:17:48
You know, my experience is a little different than yours.
1:17:50
I know people who have definite Jewish connections, family
1:17:57
relations, but now they're Christian.
1:18:00
Some are not necessarily practicing Jews.
1:18:01
They're not. They're more secular Jews, as
1:18:03
you've discussed, but they come back here OK.
1:18:05
I'm not. Against that, I'm just I'm just
1:18:07
wondering since you have since you began this conversation by
1:18:09
asking me, did I think they had a right to come here?
1:18:11
Yeah, that's my question was on what basis do they have the
1:18:13
right? And you said because God granted
1:18:15
it to and I also. Said because that there should
1:18:17
be a land where Jews could live in peace and safety.
1:18:19
And I asked you. What a Jew was and you couldn't
1:18:21
answer it. You said it, it partly is
1:18:22
religious, but it doesn't have to be.
1:18:23
It's partly genetic, but it doesn't have to be.
1:18:25
And so that you can see why I'm, I think I was very.
1:18:26
Clear that being Jewish is an identification, either through
1:18:30
blood or through faith, that you're Jewish.
1:18:33
It may be that you're a blood Jew, but you don't necessarily
1:18:36
practice Judaism. Just like there are people who
1:18:37
say they're Christian but they don't do a thing to demonstrate
1:18:40
what Christian. A lot of bad Christians.
1:18:41
Including me some of the time, a lot of the time.
1:18:43
But I don't have a right to real estate on the basis of my claim.
1:18:46
Of course you don't have a right?
1:18:47
To real estate, if you're talking about a specific parcel,
1:18:49
but if you're talking about a land, I think what we're talking
1:18:51
about is that's all I'm yeah, all.
1:18:52
I'm saying and there was a. Designation to the family of
1:18:55
nations of the world that there would be a Jewish homeland.
1:18:58
Let's, let's get to that point because I think you've taken us
1:19:00
on several trails here and I'm not sure we can follow them all.
1:19:03
But is there a reason that the Jewish people that represent,
1:19:07
and I want to get back to this because you don't let me finish
1:19:08
a while ago, they represent 0.2% of the world's population.
1:19:12
In the entirety of the world. They're about 16,000,000 Jews
1:19:14
total, and 8 million of them live here.
1:19:16
The rest live mostly in New York or South Florida and a few other
1:19:19
places. So this is a small population of
1:19:22
people. They have connection to this
1:19:25
land. Historically, biblically, do
1:19:28
they? Yes, they do.
1:19:29
If if Bebe's family, we know they lived in Eastern Europe,
1:19:32
there's no evidence they ever lived here.
1:19:33
He's not religious, but in what? Centrally, but.
1:19:35
Ancestrally, do you have? His family tree.
1:19:36
No, we don't do you. He doesn't, so no one does.
1:19:39
That's the point. But how do we know that he's
1:19:41
been? At all.
1:19:41
And if there has been a practice of Judaism and a connection to
1:19:44
the language, the Bible, the land, his his ancestors didn't.
1:19:47
He doesn't practice Judaism in any rigorous way.
1:19:49
His ancestors didn't live here, they didn't speak the language,
1:19:51
and there's no evidence they ever lived here.
1:19:52
So on what basis does he ever very much speaks?
1:19:54
The language he has fought for the land, his family has fought
1:19:57
for the land dodging. No, I'm not an obvious question,
1:19:59
which is where does this right come from?
1:20:00
And the reason it's meaningful that is because there are a lot
1:20:02
of people in the territory that Israel controls today,
1:20:05
particularly in the West Bank, who through genetic testing, we
1:20:09
can know their families have been here for thousands of
1:20:10
years. We don't know whether they
1:20:11
practice Judaism, whether they were Samaritans pre Islam.
1:20:14
We don't know that. A lot of them we know have been
1:20:16
Christians for 2000 years. They have less of a right to the
1:20:21
land than someone whose ancestors.
1:20:23
The only thing we know about them is they lived in Latvia or
1:20:26
Poland. They're Eastern European.
1:20:27
How does that work? They're Jewish by what
1:20:30
definition they're Jewish by? Their.
1:20:31
But how do we know they? Have any connection?
1:20:32
They're Jewish by their faith. They're.
1:20:34
Jewish by the connection to the language, Jewish by the
1:20:36
connection to the Torah. But but how?
1:20:38
Do we know that BB, specifically BB's ancestors, ever lived here?
1:20:41
How do we know that? I I'm I'm not sure if I
1:20:44
understand your question. How do we?
1:20:45
Know if the Prime Minister of Israel's ancestors ever lived,
1:20:49
Maybe I could. Ask you how do we know they
1:20:50
didn't see? He he asked the question and he
1:20:52
goes, I don't understand the question.
1:20:54
He asked the same question again word for word and he's like, he
1:20:59
heard the question, he understood it.
1:21:00
He just doesn't have a fucking answer.
1:21:04
Or it's. On the basis of the claim that
1:21:05
they did that, all kinds of things happen.
1:21:07
People are displaced. There's a money flow.
1:21:09
I mean, there's it's a big question.
1:21:10
A lot hangs on this. It's not some theoretical thing
1:21:12
like, oh, you know, do my grandparents do this or do that?
1:21:14
It's like, no, no, we have a right to be here because my
1:21:15
ancestors were here. OK?
1:21:16
How do we know they were? Here I I'm just totally unable
1:21:21
to process what you're trying to get at.
1:21:23
It goes back, Do Jewish people have any land on this planet
1:21:28
that should be theirs? I feel that.
1:21:29
Way about all peoples I feel that way about Jewish peoples I
1:21:31
feel that way about OK, then, then you.
1:21:32
Don't mind them having this. Is there any is?
1:21:34
There any country, let me ask you this bluntly, is there any
1:21:36
country that European peoples have a right to exclusively?
1:21:41
I think they have attained their land through conquest.
1:21:45
I mean, let's ask ourselves Britain's attain their.
1:21:46
Land conquest and they've always been there the Romans, the.
1:21:48
Greeks or no have all these. Let's speak.
1:21:50
No, no, let's speak. Well, you can certainly say that
1:21:51
here. The Romans, the Romans control
1:21:52
this, as you know, and they expelled.
1:21:53
They don't need more Jerusalem. Amen.
1:21:54
I want them to control it. I'm anti Roman.
1:21:56
OK, we're on the OK, but my question is very fuck.
1:21:59
You Tucker, you're anti Roman. That's the Catholic Church.
1:22:02
Go fuck yourself you piece of shit.
1:22:04
Very. Simple, is there any European
1:22:06
peoples that possesses the same right to their land that the
1:22:09
Jews, including people whose ancestors lived in Eastern
1:22:11
Europe possess here? The Britons we know the British
1:22:14
people, the Scandinavian people, the Irish people, their
1:22:18
ancestors been for thousands years.
1:22:19
That's provable through genetic testing.
1:22:21
Do they have a right to their land exclusively?
1:22:23
Is anyone saying? They don't, yes.
1:22:25
Of course, yes. No one will say they will.
1:22:27
And I'm asking you, do they have that right?
1:22:29
And I'm not sure what what that question involves because no one
1:22:32
is trying to force them out of their land, of their homes.
1:22:36
But here, why won't you? Answer that question just
1:22:38
because I just did. So the Europe.
1:22:40
So the Irish people have the same right to their land that
1:22:43
the Jews have. A biblical connection.
1:22:44
OK, but I'm a, I'm a Bible believer.
1:22:46
OK, so that is, but it's also a it's also a principle.
1:22:48
And that is, and you've said it, 15.
1:22:50
Sometimes people have. Land because they they were able
1:22:52
to attain it through war. They were able to attain it when
1:22:54
it was challenged. I understand.
1:22:55
That there's all kinds of conflict, but we can't say that
1:22:57
about the Irish world borders. Change all the time.
1:22:59
Not actually. The borders of the island of
1:23:01
England have not changed nor nor but the.
1:23:04
Ireland. Those are just two.
1:23:05
Examples you've got the indigenous people there, do they
1:23:07
have a moral right to that as their homeland?
1:23:10
And I think they. Would probably say yes we do
1:23:12
because we have ancient. What do you think I've never
1:23:14
thought about now that I'm raising the question?
1:23:16
And you've spent a lot of time thinking about the right of the
1:23:17
Jewish people to their homeland. Do the Irish have the same right
1:23:19
to a homeland? As long as they can defend it
1:23:22
and as long as they, you know, as long as they can defend.
1:23:24
It but Tucker, here's the. Point, I'm telling you, wait,
1:23:25
hold on, hold on, hold on. Now you just look at you're the
1:23:27
minister here, Yeah. And I'm telling you, they can
1:23:29
defend. It and if they.
1:23:30
Can't allow me to tell you that. I think that what is very, very
1:23:33
special here is that there is a biblical as well as an ethnic
1:23:36
and a historical. So you can take anyone, but if
1:23:39
you add them all together, biblical, historical and ethnic,
1:23:41
you have a very strong case that the Jewish people are living in
1:23:44
a land that is indigenous to them, that has been their
1:23:46
historic homeland for 3800 years.
1:23:48
And you can also look in the archaeology, the stones cry out.
1:23:51
You've been to the City of David.
1:23:52
OK, so you know then that and. I love that it's.
1:23:55
Amazing place. Maybe the greatest
1:23:57
archaeological discovery in all of history.
1:23:58
Because eight that. Tucker.
1:24:00
Does the thing where he like gives it criticism and he's
1:24:02
like, no, no, but I love Jews, I love Israel.
1:24:04
I love all of them. Like I want to suck all their
1:24:06
like it's so fucking annoying. Like fuck you Tucker fucker is
1:24:10
such a sell out. It's.
1:24:12
It's stunning. And they still continue to find
1:24:14
things that date the Jewish people to this land
1:24:17
archaeologically for 3800 years. We can.
1:24:19
We can. Date the Britain, the British
1:24:20
people to their land much longer, much thousands of years
1:24:23
longer. Stonehenge is 3000 years older
1:24:25
than any building built by the descendants of Abraham in this
1:24:28
country. And so I just, it's fine.
1:24:30
I'm not trying to invalidate anyone's right.
1:24:31
I'm just wanting you to affirm that right.
1:24:33
But it makes you uncomfortable and you won't.
1:24:34
And I don't know why because. I've never honestly sat down and
1:24:37
asked myself, are the lines around the it's an IID so we.
1:24:40
Know what the lines are I I'm. Saying, but are those lines, are
1:24:43
those rooted in something other than the historical connection?
1:24:47
Well, great, then they should have it.
1:24:48
But then they have a right to have it.
1:24:49
But. Then you said if they can defend
1:24:50
it and if they can't defend it, they lose the right, but I
1:24:52
didn't say it. Was exclusive one or the other?
1:24:53
I think you're really going off the.
1:24:55
I just want to know. If these principles apply
1:24:56
universally or if they only apply to the people of Israel,
1:24:58
my answer appears to be just the people of Israel.
1:25:00
They're the only ones with these rights, and I just reject that.
1:25:02
I didn't. I didn't say.
1:25:02
That, but I'm saying we are talking about Israel, we're in
1:25:06
Israel, we're talking about Christian Zionism because you've
1:25:08
made some disparaging statements about Christian Zionist, you've
1:25:10
apologized for him for which I appreciate.
1:25:12
And now we're trying to define Christian and Zionist, and it
1:25:15
seems like we've gone way, way off of that as you.
1:25:17
Suggested as a former debater at the outset, I'm trying to get to
1:25:19
terms in a common understanding of what the words mean and the
1:25:21
term, and I'm no closer to that than I than I was when I began.
1:25:23
You're not closer. To the term of Christian, what
1:25:25
that means, I think it's. Someone who follows Jesus, and
1:25:27
that's my next question. There are a lot of Christians in
1:25:29
the West Bank and there there were a fair amount of Christians
1:25:34
in Gaza and some of them have been killed.
1:25:36
There were 5. 1000 in Gaza, yeah, yeah and.
1:25:40
Two different churches were hit by the IDF.
1:25:43
Christian Hospital was hit seven times by the IDF and I don't
1:25:45
understand they were not hit. Seven times they were there were
1:25:48
different, I know. And one of the times it was a
1:25:50
rocket that was shot by Hamas and all the news agencies
1:25:53
reported that the IDF shot the rocket.
1:25:55
They said the IDF. Ever hit the hospital or the
1:25:56
churches? They did.
1:25:58
Accidentally because and they apologized for it and it was
1:26:01
very unfortunate. But I also, you got to remember
1:26:03
there were times Hamas often hid caches of arms under hospitals.
1:26:07
Were you bothered? By the fact that the IDF hit
1:26:10
Christians, I'm bothered. That anyone got killed in Gaza.
1:26:13
But you know why I'm bothered, Christian?
1:26:14
Because. Here's the thing.
1:26:15
You can't say that the. Christians are Islamic
1:26:16
extremists. Nobody can.
1:26:17
Say that I would reason to side with the Christians.
1:26:19
Over the secular government of Israel.
1:26:20
But I would. Look at it even more broadly.
1:26:22
I would ask you this, why was there so much suffering and
1:26:25
continues to be suffering in Gaza?
1:26:26
It's because Hamas, which could have built a Singapore, built a
1:26:29
Haiti. They have a landmass the size of
1:26:31
Las Vegas. They built tunnels underneath
1:26:34
that are larger than the London Underground, over 500 miles of
1:26:37
tunnels. They didn't build it to move
1:26:38
people from one hospital to the other, one marketplace to the
1:26:40
other, but to hide terrorists, to hide weaponry.
1:26:43
And on October the 7th, they went over there and they
1:26:44
massacred 1200 civilians, massacred, mutilated, humiliated
1:26:48
them. You're never going to get.
1:26:49
Me to defend Hamas. Sorry, please don't.
1:26:51
I'm not going to, but I tell you.
1:26:53
I'm appalled by it. How many civilians have been
1:26:54
killed by the IDF in Gaza? We don't know.
1:26:56
You know why we don't know. What's your guess?
1:26:57
Well, the only numbers we have come from this dubious entity
1:27:00
called the Gaza Health Ministry. You know who that is?
1:27:02
It's Hamas. Israel.
1:27:02
Have a have a some kind of count on it.
1:27:05
We also know. That a lot of the people who
1:27:06
were killed were in fact warriors.
1:27:08
Sadly. How many kids were killed?
1:27:09
We don't know. What's your guess it?
1:27:11
I don't know. I'm I'm sure it was thousands
1:27:14
and it's thousands of many kids were killed.
1:27:15
Some of the kids who were killed had been recruited to be in and
1:27:18
he's. Just cool with that.
1:27:21
Let me guess, he's going to say the kids are Hamas The.
1:27:24
Military kids as young, They were 14 years old.
1:27:28
Did you hear yourself, I wonder? I just said that.
1:27:30
There were kids as young as 14 that were recruited to be Hamas
1:27:32
soldiers who were given arms. How do you feel?
1:27:34
About the kids being killed, I think it's horrible.
1:27:36
You know what? I also think it's horrible.
1:27:37
I think it's horrible that 1200 people were slaughtered by
1:27:40
people across the border and 252 people were taken hostage. 48 of
1:27:43
the 1200 were Americans. And then when our lives equal,
1:27:47
when Hamas could have ended this on October the 8th and given all
1:27:49
the hostages up, they didn't, leaving no choice.
1:27:52
You're never. Going to get me to defend Hamas.
1:27:54
I'm not pro Hamas. I totally opposed to
1:27:56
slaughtering innocence, whether Hamas does it or whether the
1:27:58
government of Israel does it in much larger numbers.
1:28:00
And the reason I'm opposed to it is because I'm a Christian and I
1:28:03
believe that All Souls are created by God.
1:28:05
I don't. Do not disagree with that
1:28:06
wholeheartedly, but I said how many?
1:28:08
Children have been killed. Horrible.
1:28:09
Thing period and we don't know we know that a lot of the
1:28:11
numbers were reported, but you said you think.
1:28:14
Thousands of children have been killed.
1:28:15
Yeah, and a lot of times. You know why they got killed?
1:28:16
Because Hamas would gather up the children and put them in the
1:28:20
targets. Do you know what Israel does?
1:28:22
They send page messages and they send texts to every cell phone
1:28:26
in Gaza, and they say we're going to hit this particular
1:28:28
target. They drop leaflets and they
1:28:30
announce where they're going to hit.
1:28:31
Nobody does that. the US doesn't do that.
1:28:33
Israel does that in order to prevent, let me finish this.
1:28:35
They do this in order to prevent civilian casualties.
1:28:39
What Hamas does, they say, oh, this is the target.
1:28:42
And by gunpoint, they push people into those various
1:28:44
places. And then when people get killed,
1:28:46
they say, look, Israel just slaughter these people, even
1:28:48
though it was Hamas who moved them into harm's way, knowing
1:28:51
that it was going to put them in a place of danger and death and
1:28:54
destruction. And they do that because they
1:28:56
don't care. You say you care about life.
1:28:57
I care about life. It's.
1:28:59
Interesting. That they don't care about life.
1:29:01
You're not saying that. Hamas does.
1:29:02
You're never going to get me to defend Hamas.
1:29:03
I'm good. I'm anti Hamas.
1:29:04
Said that three times. And I I believe your dig at the.
1:29:06
United States is very revealing. Why is it revealing?
1:29:08
Because your priorities are very clear.
1:29:10
No, No, no, no. Yes, they are.
1:29:11
Yes. They are and is an.
1:29:12
American permit me a moment OK of outrage because I said.
1:29:16
Many civilians have been. Killed and you said right in the
1:29:18
middle of your elaborate defense of the ID FS killing of
1:29:21
civilians, including children, you said they do a better job
1:29:23
than the United States does. That's my country and my
1:29:25
government. It's my consider what flag am I
1:29:27
wearing here? Well I I'm asking why is what
1:29:29
flag am I wearing? Well, that's of.
1:29:31
Course my flag as well and it's my.
1:29:32
Flag. It's who I serve.
1:29:33
So why the dig? At the United States, it's not a
1:29:34
dig. It wasn't.
1:29:35
No, no. No, no, no, you, you totally
1:29:36
misrepresented. What did you mean by that?
1:29:38
I didn't just. Bring it on the screen.
1:29:39
I don't know why the fuck it just did that.
1:29:41
All right, one moment, let's fix this.
1:29:46
It's fucking. Always happens.
1:29:48
It's so annoying all. Right there we go.
1:29:57
Move back. Take a dig.
1:30:01
At the US, what I'm saying is so the IDF is more humane.
1:30:03
In the US, I'm saying. Military.
1:30:04
No, I'm just saying that Israel takes steps that we don't take,
1:30:07
and no other country that I'm aware of takes to try to
1:30:09
prevent, because no matter what Israel does, they're going to
1:30:12
get accused of genocide. That may be right.
1:30:13
And I'm, I'm just telling you that.
1:30:15
They but then let me. Ask you on that question, you
1:30:16
know I that's such a politically loaded but I resent.
1:30:18
The idea that you think that I'm not loyal to the US, you just
1:30:20
said. Look, I'm not saying you're not
1:30:22
loyal. I'm nearly knowing what you just
1:30:23
said, which was that the IDF takes greater pains in the US,
1:30:27
our military does, to spare civilian lives.
1:30:29
And I guess my question is, when was the last time the US
1:30:32
military killed this many civilians?
1:30:34
Do you know? Well, it could have been.
1:30:36
Nagasaki, Hiroshima. Could have been Iraq,
1:30:38
Afghanistan, we don't know the full number and I think.
1:30:41
Most Christians would say all of those things were atrocities
1:30:43
because innocents were killed in large numbers and we we don't
1:30:45
believe in that. And so that's not really a
1:30:48
defense, is it? More, it's a horrible.
1:30:49
Thing Tucker and there are people who end up unfortunately
1:30:52
being killed. It shouldn't have been.
1:30:53
I I would tell you that I wish that none of those people in
1:30:56
Gaza had been killed after October 8th.
1:30:58
Well, I say not none of them. I'm glad Mohammed Sinwar was
1:31:00
killed. I'm glad that some of those
1:31:01
warriors, the people who? Then why?
1:31:03
Hasn't he condemned Randy Fine's statements?
1:31:05
Randy Fine, who was tweeting out pictures of dead babies and
1:31:09
saying he was happy about it. Masterminded and carried out the
1:31:12
atrocities like 14 several old Hamas.
1:31:14
Operatives, how do you feel about their deaths if they.
1:31:15
Participated in that, then God help them.
1:31:19
I'm telling you, I don't know that you have they were 14
1:31:21
years. No, but I'm telling you that
1:31:22
when someone commits the acts of atrocity and then they hold
1:31:25
hostages, if these were your children being held hostage in
1:31:27
gossip, what would you do to get them out?
1:31:29
I wouldn't want to kill 14 year olds, I'll tell you that.
1:31:30
Let me ask you something. Would you do whatever it took to
1:31:32
get your kids back if they were being tortured, raped, starved,
1:31:34
would not kill children, period. Well, I'm just telling you, and
1:31:36
I would never make excuses for killing children either.
1:31:38
And I'm not talking about targeting children.
1:31:40
I'm talking about told me that 14 year olds deserve to die
1:31:42
because they're working for. I'm telling you.
1:31:43
My question is, can you hear yourself?
1:31:45
I do hear myself. So do you think a 14 year old
1:31:46
child has agency? Do you think that he deserves to
1:31:49
die because he's being used by adults?
1:31:50
Isn't his death a crushing trash and he's pointing it at someone
1:31:53
who's trying to save a hostage and the only way to say that
1:31:57
hostage? I'm telling you that war is a
1:31:58
horrible thing. It's a horrible thing.
1:32:00
And a lot of I think I'm the one who thinks war is a horrible
1:32:02
thing. No, no, no.
1:32:03
I think what you don't I'm trying to explain.
1:32:04
How horrible it is. And you're saying that the 14
1:32:05
year old deserves to die? We don't actually.
1:32:07
You're putting words in my mouth.
1:32:08
I don't know what you're saying. Never said deserve to die.
1:32:11
I say there are people who die. That is unfortunate, but I'm
1:32:13
saying that you are not giving Israel credit for having done
1:32:16
everything they possibly could to a level that, quite frankly,
1:32:19
in urban warfare, there has never been a war that is
1:32:21
criticized. Israel, but it's a foreign
1:32:22
country and I would much rather criticize a foreign country than
1:32:24
my own. Feel free to do.
1:32:25
That they can you pivoted against.
1:32:27
Our country, no, it's really done a better job than our
1:32:29
military I. Simply gave you the illustration
1:32:32
and I helped you understand that Israel goes to links that no
1:32:35
other country, including ours goes to in the middle of an
1:32:38
urban war. And yet Israel ended up with
1:32:41
fewer civilian deaths in an urban war than any urban war of
1:32:44
record. You said you didn't know how
1:32:45
many civilian deaths there were. So how can you say that if you
1:32:47
took Gaza's numbers, Hamas's numbers, you know what the
1:32:50
numbers are. We don't.
1:32:50
You just told me that. Then how can you say it's a
1:32:52
lower number? But if you took the numbers that
1:32:53
they reported, which is like 50 thousand, 2425 thousand of those
1:32:56
were actual warriors. How many civilians, if you, if
1:32:58
you took all those range from 120 to 78?
1:33:01
Those ones I just read. I don't know if that's real.
1:33:03
I don't know either. Those are you?
1:33:04
Yeah, And I'm telling. You those numbers I've not
1:33:06
heard, have not read the numbers that I think are more reportable
1:33:09
are somewhere in the 60,000 range.
1:33:10
Where are those most from? From the Gaza Health Ministry.
1:33:13
Which is those mosques valid numbers?
1:33:14
I think they are. I don't think that they're
1:33:16
accurate, but I'm saying let's just inaccurate.
1:33:18
But they prove that is no, I'm saying let's assume.
1:33:20
That the most widespread numbers, the largest numbers
1:33:23
that have been reported out of Gaza by Hamas.
1:33:25
Let's assume they're true. That's what I'm saying.
1:33:28
I'm not saying they are true, but assume they're true.
1:33:30
Let's just take them at their word then.
1:33:31
You still have a lower number of civilians killed than in any
1:33:35
urban warfare environment in modern history.
1:33:37
Fact is that a. Fact.
1:33:39
Yes. What are you comparing it to?
1:33:41
To any. Urban warfare One Iraq.
1:33:43
Where? In Afghanistan.
1:33:44
Where in Iraq? Where in Afghanistan?
1:33:45
There are many. Urban areas in Afghanistan, I
1:33:47
don't think there was any fighting in urban areas in
1:33:48
Afghanistan. Kabul, I don't know, was there,
1:33:50
was there, were there pitch battles in Kabul over long
1:33:51
periods of time? I I don't 20 years in Kabul, I
1:33:54
don't throughout all of Afghanistan.
1:33:55
But what so? What were those rates you're
1:33:57
talking about? What?
1:33:58
Are the rates there you just the number of people who were killed
1:34:01
into the 10s of thousands? I'm, I'm, I'm asking you to.
1:34:04
I don't know the. Answer I've never heard of any
1:34:06
of this. You brought it up.
1:34:06
You said the IDF has killed a lower proportion of civilians in
1:34:10
urban warfare than in any urban conflict in modern history.
1:34:13
I'd never heard that before. I don't know what your what are
1:34:15
the controls for that? And you said, well, would you
1:34:16
marry the US military? Killed more civilians?
1:34:18
Would you agree? That the real tragedy was that
1:34:20
Hamas continued to force this war hold on you.
1:34:23
Just once again said that the IDF is more humane than the
1:34:25
United States military. You just said that.
1:34:27
You said in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US military
1:34:29
killed more civilians than the IDF did in Gaza.
1:34:31
You just told me I've never heard that before.
1:34:33
And my question is, how do you know that?
1:34:34
What are those numbers? And I'm trying.
1:34:35
To explain to you that there were extraordinary efforts to
1:34:39
keep the number this guy. Dodges every fucking question.
1:34:42
This is actually, I mean, it's embarrassing for everyone.
1:34:45
It's embarrassing for Tucker Huckabee, embarrassing for the
1:34:48
United States, but this is especially embarrassing for
1:34:51
Israel. I think they were 10s of
1:34:53
thousands. I'll get them for you.
1:34:54
Well, you brought it. Up.
1:34:55
That's the only reason I'm pushing but.
1:34:56
You I'm wearing a flag, I work for a country and you pretended
1:34:59
are alleged so somehow I'm not loyal well to listen.
1:35:02
I'm just saying they did a better.
1:35:03
Job than the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan and I said what
1:35:06
are the numbers and you said I don't know so on what basis are
1:35:09
you making the claim that the IDF in Gaza spared more
1:35:13
civilians than the US Army and Marine Corps did in Afghanistan
1:35:16
and Iraq why are you saying that like on what basis are you
1:35:18
saying that from the. Conversations that I've had with
1:35:20
the people who fought there, and I don't have the exact numbers
1:35:22
for you, but what I'm trying to help you to understand, and I
1:35:25
don't think you're willing to go there, is that there was no
1:35:28
desire to kill people indiscriminately in Gaza.
1:35:30
I don't think there was any desire to kill people
1:35:32
indiscriminately in Iraq, Afghanistan.
1:35:33
Let me. Just say I think I know a bunch
1:35:35
of people served in the IDF and I don't believe your average IDF
1:35:38
soldier wants to kill innocents. I'm just going to be really
1:35:40
clear about that. I don't think most soldiers want
1:35:41
to do that. I think a lot of them in our
1:35:43
country, in Israel, wind up doing that because that's what
1:35:45
war is about and it really hurts them.
1:35:46
I know people who've done it personally really well and it
1:35:48
like wrecks their lives. So I don't think every soldier
1:35:50
wants that in this country or any other.
1:35:52
So leadership is a different question.
1:35:53
And I want to refer you very specifically to a number of
1:35:55
speeches the Prime Minister, your friend Benjamin Netanyahu,
1:35:57
gave in the aftermath of October 7th, including one in November
1:36:00
of that year when he referred to Amalek.
1:36:03
Now, Amalek is a reference, a biblical reference of first.
1:36:05
You'll be very familiar with that.
1:36:07
The Amalekites were a tribe described throughout the Bible,
1:36:10
particularly in First Samuel, that obstructed the Jews as they
1:36:12
fled Egypt. And God tells Samuel to give the
1:36:16
instructions to Saul to kill the Amalekites.
1:36:20
And he says, and I'm sure you remember this, this is in First
1:36:22
Samuel 15. Of course, I'm sure I know you
1:36:24
know it. He says kill the men, kill the
1:36:27
women, kill the children, kill the infants, kill the donkeys,
1:36:30
kill the camels, kill everything.
1:36:32
And Saul spares the king and he spares the animals.
1:36:37
And for that he he is punished by God.
1:36:40
That is genocide. God is calling for genocide of
1:36:43
the Amalekites of Amalek and the Prime Minister of Israel at
1:36:46
least once. I believe on.
1:36:48
How they view Amalek? Amalek is is the white people
1:36:51
pretty much. Other occasions described the
1:36:54
Palestinians in Gaza as Amalek. That's calling for genocide, and
1:36:57
you know that. I totally disagree then what it
1:37:00
means because to say that Israel was attempting to commit
1:37:03
genocide, first of all, that's simply not true.
1:37:05
I'm saying what is? The Prime Minister talking about
1:37:07
why would he refer to the Palestinians as Amalek, what is
1:37:09
you would have to. Ask him.
1:37:10
I don't know. I know what I know what Amalek
1:37:12
is. I do understand First Samuel 16.
1:37:14
I get all that first table. 15. But I do.
1:37:16
Understand very and it's widely known.
1:37:18
So if you say our enemy is Amalek and we are proceeding on
1:37:21
the basis of God's commands to us, you are calling for
1:37:23
genocide. Tell me how I'm missing because
1:37:25
if Israel. Wanted to commit genocide.
1:37:26
They could have done it in 2 1/2 hours.
1:37:28
We can debate. What's happened in Gaza?
1:37:29
And I'm asking you why. The leader of this country, ask
1:37:32
him well. What do you think?
1:37:33
I don't know. Does that bother you at all,
1:37:35
People? I, I I don't know what he meant.
1:37:38
I don't know if it was an illustrative metaphor.
1:37:40
I think what he was saying was that we're not going to let
1:37:42
anything keep us from getting our hostages back.
1:37:44
Their sons and their daughters who are being brutalized, raped,
1:37:46
tortured, starved, beaten. Come on, Mr. No, there are many
1:37:50
examples of justice in the Bible.
1:37:52
But they're very accused of genocide regularly.
1:37:54
I'm not accusing. Israel of anything I'm saying
1:37:56
that the Prime Minister of Israel described the Palestinian
1:37:58
you think he on the way to do genocide.
1:38:01
I'm asking why, of all the references in the Bible, and
1:38:03
there are many to justice and there are many to
1:38:06
reconciliation, that is a reference to genocide, as you
1:38:08
know, killing every man, woman, child and infant I'm quoting,
1:38:12
and they're animals, wiping them from the earth.
1:38:14
And when they don't do that, they're punished.
1:38:17
When you say that at the outset of a war and then you wind up
1:38:20
with massive civilian casualties, maybe not as big as
1:38:22
they were in Iraq, then I have to ask you what, what is that?
1:38:25
And is that kind of thinking consistent with Western values
1:38:27
and with Christianity? Do we as Christians believe it's
1:38:29
OK to kill people's children? No.
1:38:32
We. Don't.
1:38:32
And neither do the Israelis because they didn't go after
1:38:34
their children. If they wanted to kill all their
1:38:36
children, Tucker, they got the military capacity.
1:38:38
They could have done it in less than a day.
1:38:39
I've heard you say that. I know.
1:38:40
I mean, they could have done OK. But why didn't they?
1:38:42
Why didn't they? I think there are a lot of.
1:38:44
Decent people in Israel who don't want that, but I'm talking
1:38:45
to think that the prime. Minister wanted to wipe out
1:38:47
every single person in Gaza. I'm asking you what you think is
1:38:49
the US representative of our government.
1:38:51
I don't think that's what he wanted to do because ask him why
1:38:54
are you referring? I had to ask him that.
1:38:56
Why? Because I never saw any
1:38:58
evidence, any evidence that Israel tried to wipe out every
1:39:01
single person. I just gave you examples that
1:39:03
they tried to save civilian, but I'm not and they didn't wait.
1:39:06
I'm not as I've said, and I mean this.
1:39:07
I I think most soldiers in most armies, including the Israel
1:39:10
Defense Force don't want to kill civilians.
1:39:12
I just don't believe. Believe that, I think there are
1:39:13
some lyrics. Can I ask you?
1:39:14
Something, Yes, You platformed a guy.
1:39:16
You had him on your show. Tony Aguilar, don't platform.
1:39:18
Anyone. Well, you.
1:39:18
Interviewed. Not a liberal platform.
1:39:20
OK, you you interviewed Tony Aguilar, who claimed that IDF
1:39:25
soldiers killed a little boy in his presence.
1:39:28
That didn't happen. It did not happen.
1:39:30
I don't. Know if you know whether it
1:39:32
happened or not so they're. Saying Green Berets are lying
1:39:35
and tell you why. I know it didn't happen because
1:39:38
we found that little boy less than a week later.
1:39:39
All right. I was involved, heavily involved
1:39:41
in helping to extricate him from Gaza. 4 different countries were
1:39:45
involved in getting he and his mother to safety.
1:39:47
Get them out of there. Tony Aguilar is a liar.
1:39:49
Tony Aguilar claimed that he saw an IDF soldier shoot the little
1:39:53
boy. He was fired from the GHF for
1:39:57
cause and he begged for his job back and they wouldn't give it
1:39:59
back because they didn't want it.
1:40:00
And he told them that if they didn't give his job back that he
1:40:03
would burn them down. So he goes out.
1:40:05
Now let me finish this because it's important for you to
1:40:07
understand, right? So this guy then goes out and
1:40:10
makes up this story that he witnessed IDF soldiers shooting
1:40:12
a little boy. I don't know that he.
1:40:13
Made it up. He seems to believe it to me.
1:40:15
It's possible he's wrong. I've been wrong many times.
1:40:16
Well, this. Is a little bit more than just
1:40:18
missing a fact. He claimed to be an eyewitness
1:40:20
to the murder of a little boy. A little boy that a week later
1:40:23
we found. And your shirt's the same.
1:40:24
Little boy, you're absolutely sure.
1:40:27
We have pictures of him, we had descriptions of him, we know his
1:40:30
name, we know his mother. He was extricated out of Gaza.
1:40:33
It was a very delicate situation to get him out because if Hamas
1:40:35
had found out that he was still alive, they would have killed
1:40:37
him in order to validate Aguiler's story.
1:40:39
How do you know that? So he gets out.
1:40:40
How do you know Hamas would have killed him?
1:40:42
Why wouldn't? They wouldn't.
1:40:42
They have wanted to kill him because that way they could have
1:40:44
said that this story was true if I'm just telling you what you're
1:40:47
saying is true. And I have no basis of knowing
1:40:49
I'm really glad because I don't want little kids to get killed.
1:40:51
Even 14 year olds you shouldn't want.
1:40:52
Anyone to be but let me ask you is.
1:40:53
It true he also made the claim and he had audio of it and video
1:40:57
too that US contractors were using live ammunition to
1:41:02
disperse crowds and he had video of that.
1:41:04
Do you know if is did he make up that video?
1:41:06
There were times. Here's what happened.
1:41:08
Crowds would come toward the sites.
1:41:09
They were given verbal warnings, and then they were given
1:41:12
additional verbal warnings. And they were shots were fired
1:41:14
either in the air, sometimes in the ground.
1:41:16
And if they continue to come and threaten, there were times when
1:41:19
there were people who were engaged in in firefights that
1:41:23
happened. Oh, they were armed.
1:41:24
Sometimes. They were.
1:41:25
They were can. You do you know of specific
1:41:26
instances where they were armed I.
1:41:28
Can probably get you some specific information about that.
1:41:30
I think I know the answer. To that, I don't think there's
1:41:32
any evidence at all that they were I also.
1:41:33
Know that OK with. Using live ammunition at aid
1:41:36
distribution sites for families, women and children very rarely
1:41:39
did. This happen here?
1:41:39
How about at all? Are you OK with that?
1:41:41
No. I'll tell you what.
1:41:41
I'm not OK. No, no, no.
1:41:42
I think you are so trying to put words in my mouth.
1:41:45
You said that they were firing. Back but then no evidence that
1:41:47
they won on Sunday afternoon. Why is?
1:41:49
It that 90% of the interviews Tucker does, it just feels like
1:41:52
two women having like a retarded conversation.
1:41:56
But Mike Huckabee's really not. I mean, he's really fucking this
1:41:59
up for Israel right now. I will say as bad as this
1:42:02
interview, like to anyone who told me like, oh, this interview
1:42:05
is great. Like this interview kind of
1:42:06
sucks, but at the same time Huckabee is looking like a bitch
1:42:10
and it is kind of interesting. It's just like, I wish Tucker
1:42:13
would go harder about certain things and I wish he wasn't a
1:42:16
pussy about other things. And I.
1:42:18
Can remember when there was widespread reports on BBBCCNN
1:42:20
and New York Times and they said that 27 people were killed at a
1:42:23
feeding site. We had video extensively over
1:42:25
that site. Not one single person.
1:42:27
Not only were they not shot, nobody was shot at.
1:42:29
There was not one bit of violence that happened at that
1:42:31
feeding site trying to get me to defend BBC.
1:42:33
Not going to do that. It's like defending the loss.
1:42:35
I agree with you. I don't believe anything I see
1:42:36
in the media. It's just that it's really
1:42:38
simple. If people are using and these
1:42:39
were American contractors, but these are not Israelis that I'm
1:42:41
aware of, American contractors run by some crypto minister or
1:42:45
something was running the group. If they're using live ammunition
1:42:48
at an aid distribution site, that strikes me as totally
1:42:50
unacceptable. They were.
1:42:52
Not firing. Does that seem acceptable?
1:42:53
To you they were not firing. If people got killed.
1:42:55
There's a way. Some of those people got killed
1:42:57
because Hamas were trying to keep them from getting to the
1:42:59
aid distribution sites because Hamas was controlling the food.
1:43:01
Hamas made $500 million selling the food that was supposed to be
1:43:04
given away for free and. What they were trying to.
1:43:06
Do is to keep people from going to the sites where they were
1:43:08
getting food for free. When we set GHF up Hamas, the
1:43:11
first thing that happened, I know, but I'm telling you, the
1:43:13
first thing that people said was wow, this is the first time
1:43:14
we've had food that we got for free.
1:43:16
Is it OK to buy unarmed? People, I just told.
1:43:17
You it wasn't. That's awful.
1:43:18
Yeah, that's awful. Of course it's awful.
1:43:20
Are all lives equal, do you think?
1:43:22
Of course they are. So the death of Palestinians
1:43:23
every bit as important significant as the death visit
1:43:27
wouldn't be of. Course, I don't know there's no
1:43:29
such thing as a human soul that God made that is less valuable
1:43:32
than another that I'm her whole life Me too.
1:43:33
I believe that every life has intrinsic.
1:43:35
He's the. That's one thing I'll get.
1:43:37
I mean, him saying that he doesn't actually mean it, but
1:43:39
it's like nobody else in the Zionist media says that.
1:43:42
Randy Fine explicitly says that it's different.
1:43:45
Ben Shapiro, same thing. Laura Loomer, same fucking
1:43:47
thing. Worth in value.
1:43:49
There's no such thing as a worthless or a completely
1:43:51
disposable life. That's what makes me pro-life
1:43:53
Tucker. I totally agree and I believe
1:43:54
that from the conception until the end of natural life, why I
1:43:57
would never. Say, when confronted with the
1:43:59
death of children, war is terrible because it minimizes
1:44:01
the deaths of those children. It's awful and I think it
1:44:03
minimizes. I think it it, it's outrageous.
1:44:05
It's a terrible thing. I wish we never had war.
1:44:07
Why don't we have war we're about?
1:44:08
To have one with Iran, it looks like.
1:44:09
How many Americans do you think will die in that war?
1:44:12
I hope none. None died last year when we
1:44:14
participated in the 12 day war. Not one.
1:44:16
I said you said 20,000 would die.
1:44:17
They didn't. I said could.
1:44:18
And they could have and they could die now, and that's a real
1:44:20
risk. How many boots on the?
1:44:21
Ground do you think the US is supplied for Israel over the
1:44:23
course of its life how many times did we put soldiers on the
1:44:26
ground for Israel Well, we had the.
1:44:27
Iraq war, which was for Israel, no one for Israel.
1:44:29
How was it for us? No it.
1:44:31
Wasn't for Are you fucking kidding me?
1:44:33
What about all the times Bibi Netanyahu came and testified in
1:44:36
the United States saying that we had to take out Saddam and he
1:44:39
had weapons of mass destruction pointed at the United States?
1:44:42
Fucking cunt. Well, because it.
1:44:45
Was a retribution against 9/11 now?
1:44:46
Was it the best idea? Was was he involved?
1:44:48
In that one, our government. Thought so why are 9?
1:44:51
11 documents still classified. I have no.
1:44:53
Idea, of course. Wolfowitz, the Zionist Jew,
1:44:57
listened to Bibi Netanyahu and they thought that, oh, Iran, we
1:45:00
got to go for that. No, they didn't want that.
1:45:02
Fuck these people. That's fine.
1:45:04
I think so. All of them, right?
1:45:05
I have no problem. With that, me too.
1:45:06
I like transparency. I like.
1:45:08
I do. I hope you'll.
1:45:08
Call for that Free Press I like. Free speech.
1:45:10
I totally I really I like all of that.
1:45:11
But if no. If there was no connect, I've
1:45:13
never if he wants. Free speech Why is it illegal to
1:45:16
speak about the Holocaust in question?
1:45:18
The numbers in Israel. I'm open to anything, but I've
1:45:22
never seen any connection between the government of Saddam
1:45:24
Hussein, that the secular Baathist government of Saddam
1:45:25
Hussein and the terror attacks of 911.
1:45:27
I don't know that there. Were I don't know so so I'm not
1:45:29
sure, but I don't know how so why did?
1:45:30
We want that Israel's fault. Well, Benjamin Netanyahu, now
1:45:33
Prime Minister, of course exerted lots of pressure openly
1:45:36
on the US government to take out to regime change the Saddam
1:45:38
government. I was there was in Washington
1:45:40
and and they complied. I don't think there's any way to
1:45:42
read it. I don't you think?
1:45:43
Israel leads the US and pushes them and tells them what to do.
1:45:46
Yes. Not on everything.
1:45:48
Of course you think what I think.
1:45:49
Let me be specific. I think the Israeli government
1:45:51
strongly pushed the United States to take out Saddam
1:45:54
Hussein. There's no question about that.
1:45:55
I think the Israeli government right now on Bibi Netanyahu,
1:45:58
who's been in the White House 7 times in one year, pushing for
1:46:01
regime change in Iran, I think they're on the verge of
1:46:03
convincing this administration to affect regime.
1:46:06
You think the president? Is weak and is being pushed.
1:46:08
You're not saying that. I know, I know, I know the
1:46:09
president's being pushed. Why do you think a foreign
1:46:11
leader was in the White House 7 times in one year?
1:46:12
Are you OK with that? That's a lot, you know, Israel.
1:46:15
Is not just a friend or an ally, it is a real partner.
1:46:17
We have an incredible relationship with Israel in
1:46:19
intelligence and in military, in culture, in values.
1:46:23
You know, to to be shocked that the Israeli Prime Minister would
1:46:26
have that many meetings. It's a lot.
1:46:28
But I, I want to ask you the question, do you think President
1:46:30
Trump is weak enough to let Bibi Netanyahu?
1:46:32
I don't push him into something that he doesn't want to.
1:46:34
I don't look, I think. And I don't know, yes.
1:46:37
I I think Bebe has enough blackmail on Trump to make him
1:46:40
do almost fucking anything at this point.
1:46:42
That's pretty clear. Of course, the answer.
1:46:44
To the question, including this one, but I think the president,
1:46:46
President Trump really doesn't like nuclear proliferation and I
1:46:49
don't think he wants Iran to have a bomb.
1:46:50
I think he really, sincerely, I hope you don't.
1:46:52
Want them to have a bomb? I want them to have a bomb.
1:46:54
I don't want anyone to have a bomb, including Israel.
1:46:56
I don't know why I would. Rather Iran have a bomb than
1:46:58
Israel and we're. OK with Israel having nuclear
1:47:00
weapons. I'm not.
1:47:01
I'm not OK with Pakistan having them.
1:47:02
I'm not OK with Saudi having them.
1:47:04
Israel's nuclear weapons were created, of course, with nuclear
1:47:07
material stolen from the United States, from a nuclear plant in
1:47:09
Pennsylvania. As I know, you know, I'm opposed
1:47:10
to all of it. I don't like nuclear weapons.
1:47:12
It's mass murder as far as I'm concerned.
1:47:13
So no, I don't want Iran to have a bomb.
1:47:15
Obviously the question is what are the potential costs and you
1:47:18
have to factor that into any decision and and what are the
1:47:20
costs if. They were to get a nuclear bomb,
1:47:22
they said, for 47 years, death to America.
1:47:24
Well, I don't think they target us.
1:47:25
I don't think they targeted President Trump specifically.
1:47:28
Yeah, they hired a person for Iraq, Iran.
1:47:30
BBC and Hamas not defending him are they saying?
1:47:32
That that fucking kid Thomas Crooks or whatever was Iranian
1:47:36
like they hired again. This is just bullshit.
1:47:39
Good. All we're in agreement on that.
1:47:41
I want our. Country is not thriving and
1:47:43
we're spending, you know, 10's and 10's and 10s of billions of
1:47:46
dollars over time defending Israel and helping it prosecute
1:47:49
anywhere that money goes. Goes to a lot of.
1:47:50
Places but but let's. Let's talk about that a minute
1:47:52
$3.8 billion a year. That money goes right back to
1:47:55
the US to purchase weapon systems.
1:47:57
For example, every round of ammo that the IDF shoots is
1:48:00
manufactured just outside where I live in Little Rock, AR.
1:48:03
The components, a lot of them for the Iron Dome and the Arrow.
1:48:05
Three missile defense systems are manufactured at near Camden,
1:48:08
AR, which needs it. By the way, Camden's
1:48:10
economically depressed. You know the area.
1:48:11
I do and there are thousands and thousands of American jobs and
1:48:14
there are billions and billions of dollars of expenditures that
1:48:18
Israel makes in the US and buys the things that we I know how
1:48:22
defense. Contracting works on from
1:48:23
Washington. No, I I know this.
1:48:24
I guess what I'm saying is America's not thriving at all,
1:48:27
and if it's Israel's fault. I I don't.
1:48:29
Think it's OK, we're good. I, I, I I just think that what
1:48:30
we're doing isn't working at all, and I blame a lot.
1:48:33
Of our debt on Israel, I don't think it's.
1:48:34
Not richer, the president. Is doing some amazing things to
1:48:37
get us back on contacting I hope he.
1:48:38
Presses him on the USS Liberty too.
1:48:41
OK. I'm merely saying that over,
1:48:42
say, the last 20 years, America's not gotten richer or
1:48:44
freer at all. And I come to Israel and the
1:48:47
infrastructure we're flying in, and I said to my buddy, I was
1:48:49
like, man, the first looks great.
1:48:50
I love the agriculture in Israel because it's beautiful.
1:48:52
I love green. I love plants.
1:48:53
I remember when it didn't. Look like that.
1:48:54
Yeah. Yeah.
1:48:55
First time I came in 53 years ago.
1:48:56
It's great. It did not look like that.
1:48:57
Great. Looks a lot nicer.
1:48:58
Than our country and it has higher standard of living it has
1:49:00
nicer roads than the United States and so it's like OK why
1:49:04
are. We sending all.
1:49:05
This money to a country that has a higher standard of living than
1:49:07
ours. I don't know that they have a.
1:49:08
Higher standard of living they do, actually.
1:49:09
They have free health care. They also have free abortion.
1:49:11
Are you OK with that? I personally.
1:49:12
Don't like that? Why would we be?
1:49:13
Subsidizing Why would we send any?
1:49:15
We're not. Why would we send any money to a
1:49:16
country that provides free abortion?
1:49:17
Because the money. That we send does not pay for
1:49:19
health care, does not pay for abortion.
1:49:20
It pays for a military. It's like if they don't.
1:49:22
Spend it on this, they'll spend it on that, we spend it on that.
1:49:24
And then we get many more times back in the return of the
1:49:26
investment we're not sending. You any more money as long as
1:49:28
you have free abortion? Well.
1:49:29
That would be a policy decision. What would be for that?
1:49:31
I would be OK with it because I hate abortion.
1:49:33
I think it's horrible. How much do you hate?
1:49:34
It, I hate it. Are we sending them money if
1:49:35
they're paying for free because they're not paying?
1:49:36
For abortions with the money and because we in turn you get
1:49:40
billions of dollars, the return on investment is estimated
1:49:41
somewhere between 400 and 1200 for these.
1:49:43
Numbers, I just live there and I know and I'm by the way, I'm for
1:49:46
American manufacturing. The defense industry is totally
1:49:50
corrupt and CD, as you know, however, I like to see American
1:49:52
companies thrive like it's complicated.
1:49:54
I'm not an extremist or an absolute, not really anything
1:49:56
other than abortion. However, net, net, as we say,
1:50:00
our country's not really thriving.
1:50:01
And I we're also totally. Proud.
1:50:02
Is that the case? Is it because we've done a lousy
1:50:04
job controlling our borders, A lousy job of controlling lots of
1:50:06
things? It's a lot of things, but we own
1:50:08
that. I think President Trump is doing
1:50:09
remarkable things to turn it around.
1:50:11
I cannot imagine any President Trump, I know.
1:50:13
But if you're saying the country is in trouble, let's say we're
1:50:14
out of money. Actually give a credit to what?
1:50:16
The president is doing to get us out of debt because I think that
1:50:18
what he's doing economically I'm not supporting.
1:50:20
Him on and I'm not attacking Trump OK just with those
1:50:22
baseline agreements. It's also true that like our
1:50:24
debt is not sustainable. And so given that, like, what do
1:50:27
you think it will cost? What, what did it cost to move
1:50:29
all these, to move the fleet off Iran in the Persian Gulf?
1:50:32
A lot less than. It would to bury a lot of
1:50:33
Americans if they ever got a long range ballistic missile.
1:50:36
A lot less, yeah. I don't care how much you'd
1:50:37
understand that when Iran is told it's just bullshit.
1:50:40
Propaganda for 40. Seven years, they're going to
1:50:42
kill us. Do you think they would do it if
1:50:44
they had the capacity militarily, What would happen?
1:50:46
Why do they not? Like the United States, they
1:50:47
don't like the United States because the United States
1:50:49
supports Israel, funds all the regime change wars, and Iran has
1:50:54
watched as the United States has helped Israel destabilize the
1:50:57
entire Middle East. I I.
1:51:00
Think if we just stopped supporting Israel, Iran would
1:51:02
probably be like, OK, maybe we're pro America now.
1:51:06
It's that fucking simple actually.
1:51:08
And. If Iran took out any of the
1:51:13
energy facilities in the Gulf, took out a bunch of them, what
1:51:16
would happen to the United States economy, do you think?
1:51:18
Well, our. Economy probably would survive
1:51:20
because we have energy independence thanks to President
1:51:22
Trump would survive. Our economy is based on our
1:51:24
markets. What do you think?
1:51:25
It would be a terrible. Thing to happen globally.
1:51:27
It's why Iran is a global threat.
1:51:29
It's why Iran through its proxies, Tucker, this is another
1:51:31
thing, people, They're not blowing.
1:51:32
Up energy infrastructure right now, but if we try to regime
1:51:34
change them, they have said that they will.
1:51:35
I don't know if they will or not.
1:51:36
I don't either. Is that a risk that they have
1:51:37
their own? Problems to defend if they try
1:51:39
to do that and they lose their own energy capacity so if they.
1:51:42
Took out and I again, I don't know what's going to happen and
1:51:44
I guess we're not supposed to think about worst case because
1:51:46
that makes us pro Islamic or something.
1:51:47
But I'm an American and I don't want a depression in our
1:51:49
country. It's too fractured on the stable
1:51:51
right now. I don't think we want that at
1:51:52
all. OK, none of us want.
1:51:53
That none of us want. Not right now.
1:51:54
We don't, not at all. I don't want.
1:51:56
It next year, next week, 10 years from now.
1:51:57
All these states are basically in a state of insurrection
1:51:59
against the federal government. They're not enforcing the most
1:52:01
basic law of the land, which is. Immigration and thank goodness
1:52:03
President Trump is pushing back and he agree I'm just saying to
1:52:06
force if all of a sudden compliance markets just tanked
1:52:09
and gas tripled or whatever and you had.
1:52:12
You know, like a severe recession or something worse.
1:52:14
That's a massive cost. And I don't see anybody
1:52:16
factoring in that possibility. Ron has said we'll do it.
1:52:18
You've said 10 times they're evil.
1:52:19
OK, I believe you. Then why wouldn't they take out
1:52:21
the Qatari gas fields that they share with Qatar?
1:52:23
Where refining Petro chemicals extraction in any of the gulf
1:52:26
countries that would cripple us let's well energy wise.
1:52:30
Again, we have independence because President Trump put
1:52:32
measures in place that gave us the capacity we set
1:52:35
international. Energy prices in the United
1:52:36
States. In some ways we do because our
1:52:38
own market and our own production has a whole lot to do
1:52:40
with what those world costs are going to be if you took Saudi.
1:52:42
Energy production or Qatari energy production or Emirati
1:52:45
energy production, that is. Making an assumption that if
1:52:47
there were regime change that they would be more effective at
1:52:50
attacking than we would be defending, and that's a pretty
1:52:52
can we? Defend the the straits for
1:52:53
moves. Can we defend all of that energy
1:52:55
infrastructure? Is anyone even asking these
1:52:56
questions or it's all like a Mark Levin episode or they're
1:52:58
bad? They're certainly.
1:52:59
Asking the questions, that's part of the whole process, is
1:53:01
it? I've raised this before and it's
1:53:03
like, shut up, Katarlson, you're taking money from the jihadis.
1:53:06
I've never taken a dime from anybody, obviously.
1:53:09
I just care about the United States and it freaks me out.
1:53:11
And no one else seems worried about this and.
1:53:12
Caring about the US, You should care about the fact that the
1:53:14
proxies of Iran have moved globally, 12 Central and South
1:53:18
American countries have Hezbollah deeply embedded,
1:53:20
Venezuela one of the worst. They're in the Western
1:53:22
Hemisphere already. Do we know?
1:53:23
How would you rank that? On the on the like list of
1:53:25
concerns for the average American, Hezbollah and I doubt
1:53:28
most Americans. Think about it.
1:53:29
I think about it because I know what they do.
1:53:30
I know that if it weren't for Iran, there wouldn't be Hamas,
1:53:32
there wouldn't be the hoodies, there wouldn't be Hezbollah.
1:53:34
We wouldn't have the problem on the border with Lebanon.
1:53:36
We wouldn't have the problem with Yemen, Israel.
1:53:38
Funded Hamas. Like shut the fuck up again this
1:53:41
is all bullshit. Someone in the live chat goes so
1:53:45
my guy had the sesy talk go. I fell asleep watching you all.
1:53:49
Yeah dude we were literally up till 3 fucking like 45 in the
1:53:53
morning, 3:30 in the morning. She was on for like 4 1/2 hours.
1:53:56
It was fun though. We don't really.
1:53:59
Agree on much but it was fun. It's on Spotify and everything.
1:54:03
YouTube just fucked me though. YouTube just gave me a strike
1:54:06
for I don't know what. I think it was shown the ESPN
1:54:10
video I'm waiting to see back. We wouldn't have the problem on
1:54:14
the border. With I'm, as I'm an American,
1:54:15
I'm not having any problems on the border with Lebanon right
1:54:17
now. I live in Maine.
1:54:17
We don't have problems on the border of Lebanon.
1:54:18
Like what are you even talking about?
1:54:19
No offense, there's seven. 100,000 Americans who live in
1:54:22
Israel, for one thing. Does that matter to you?
1:54:23
Of course, every. American.
1:54:24
OK, well. Every life you say matters the
1:54:25
same so that should matter when I start my country like.
1:54:29
Americans living in Israel. No, no, to be honest, lives
1:54:33
matter. But at the same time it's like,
1:54:35
I don't even consider them Americans.
1:54:36
I consider them Israeli. They're living in Israel.
1:54:39
They're not living in America. Don't call yourself an American.
1:54:42
Like go fuck yourself. That's actually retarded.
1:54:45
That's like the foreigners here being like, Oh no, I'm, I'm an
1:54:49
Indian. It's like, OK, you're living in
1:54:51
America. Call yourself an American.
1:54:53
They're like, no, I'm an Indian. It's like.
1:54:57
When you start like shelling civilians and civilians get
1:54:59
killed and displaced, that should matter to all of us.
1:55:01
But I mean. There's a genocide going on like
1:55:02
in all kinds of different countries there.
1:55:04
There's a lot that's sad and broken about the world.
1:55:06
We know that as Christians, Satan rules the world.
1:55:09
But our job as like members of a nation state is look after our
1:55:12
community, hundred families, right?
1:55:13
So I don't think any of the concerns that you've just
1:55:16
raised, which I think are all real.
1:55:17
I'm not disputing them at all. Or even in like the top 100 for
1:55:20
Americans. So how can the US government be
1:55:21
spending this much time and money worrying about things that
1:55:23
are not on the list of Americans concerns?
1:55:25
Do we have self government? Does it matter what Americans
1:55:27
actually think or doesn't it? Of course it does, but it also.
1:55:28
Matters. How much is it what the threat
1:55:30
is to Americans? Do you think there's a threat to
1:55:32
Americans because of the proliferation of the proxies in
1:55:33
in Iran? Conceivably.
1:55:35
There is. I'm not pro Iran but but.
1:55:37
Beyond conceivably, do you think that they mean it when they say
1:55:39
for 47? It tells like in my town.
1:55:41
And no one's doing anything about it at all.
1:55:42
You know, I'm hearing a lot about doing anything about that.
1:55:44
No one's doing anything. About it at all, OK, that's a
1:55:46
fact. We have a huge country.
1:55:47
This is a country that's size of New Jersey with no resources,
1:55:50
you know it's just a tiny little country.
1:55:52
We're from a huge continental sized country that's totally
1:55:55
diverse, very, very hard to manage and police, and we have a
1:55:57
lot of problems. And I just think if you ask
1:56:01
Americans what do they want to spend their time and money
1:56:04
worrying about fixing, improving, No one's going to
1:56:07
mention the border with Lebanon that I know.
1:56:08
Do you think? I doubt they will.
1:56:09
But then why are we doing this? Don't there like anything that
1:56:11
there are people that the US government has monitoring what
1:56:14
the threats are to Americans long term?
1:56:16
Do you think there's a threat? The question is when people talk
1:56:18
about 37 years, well, but I don't know that Saddam ever said
1:56:22
he was going to take down America.
1:56:23
But you just the Iranian regime has said for 47 years they are
1:56:26
you just if they had the capacity of a long range
1:56:28
ballistic missile and nuclear Bibi.
1:56:30
Netanyahu literally testified in the United States saying that
1:56:34
Saddam was going to take down America and that he said it like
1:56:40
these people can't stop contradicting themselves.
1:56:41
This is actually fucking insane capability.
1:56:44
You think they'd like that puppy up and send it to us?
1:56:46
I don't know. But I know this from.
1:56:48
Sitting here last year, 4 wars that I went through in less than
1:56:50
a year. The Iranians rained down
1:56:52
ballistic missiles. Can I ask you a question like?
1:56:54
How much does it matter what Americans think?
1:56:56
Well, it. Matters every bit what Americans
1:56:57
think. That's why Americans vote.
1:56:58
It's why Americans have the opportunity to just have free
1:57:00
speech. We wanted to have that.
1:57:01
OK, So what? Percentage of Americans support
1:57:02
a war with Iran. I don't know.
1:57:04
Do you know? I do it's.
1:57:05
I think it's run. I saw the numbers yesterday.
1:57:06
It was like 21%. OK, Is that enough to have a war
1:57:09
with Iran? We.
1:57:10
Don't live in a world where you have a poll taken to find out
1:57:14
whether our policy should be a particular direction because I
1:57:17
thought I. Thought you just said what it
1:57:18
matters. What Americans think go fuck
1:57:20
yourself that's. No, we care deeply about it, but
1:57:24
on the other hand, do we make the decisions of foreign policy
1:57:26
and even domestic policy based on we care deeply about it in.
1:57:29
What sense? How?
1:57:30
If we're ignoring it, then in what sense do we quote care
1:57:32
deeply about it? Well, I think we care deeply
1:57:34
when we see there's a threat. No, but.
1:57:35
About Americans opinion, so you've got 350 million
1:57:38
Americans, they vote, they voted in this last election on the
1:57:40
basis in part of the promise no more wars.
1:57:42
So now we're about to have a war, looks like 80% people are
1:57:44
against it in that range, let's say 70%, but nowhere near
1:57:47
majority support for this war. And it's not right democracy,
1:57:50
but it is a form of democracy. It's representative democracy,
1:57:52
the ultimate. Form of democracy in our system,
1:57:54
in a Republic is we're not a true democracy we're exactly
1:57:56
right it's a. Mediated, it'll be an.
1:57:57
Opportunity for Americans to vote if they think that we've
1:57:59
made the wrong policy decisions. I personally think the president
1:58:01
is making the right policy, but I guess.
1:58:03
But you just said it matters deeply what Americans think.
1:58:05
And if the overall majority are against it, in what sense does
1:58:08
it matter? Because what I hear is it
1:58:09
matters they think, but it really doesn't matter what they
1:58:11
think because you take it in you.
1:58:12
Certainly ingest that and. Then once you ingest it, then
1:58:15
you make. Sure that you have no just got
1:58:17
it goes. Out the other end, obviously.
1:58:19
No it doesn't. No, it doesn't, Tucker.
1:58:20
But you also have the information that the average
1:58:22
American may not have. They may not know what the
1:58:25
threat is. How many Americans know that
1:58:26
Hezbollah is in 12 Western Hemisphere countries?
1:58:28
Many Americans care. Well, I would hope they.
1:58:29
Would all care how many Americans know how many people
1:58:31
from Iran, from terrorist cells have come across Joe Biden's
1:58:35
open border? How how many Americans
1:58:36
definitely care about? That OK you why haven't they
1:58:38
been rounded up but. They're trying, but you got all
1:58:41
these blue state mayors and governors making it very
1:58:42
difficult to get it. But thank God, President Trump
1:58:44
is trying to get it done. Look, I'm totally.
1:58:46
Off for that completely. I guess what I'm saying is that
1:58:48
most Americans over I've never met an American who thinks other
1:58:51
than like the people who have ideological reasons to pretend
1:58:53
they think it, that the imminent threat to America is anything
1:58:55
having to do with Iran. Imminent threats to America
1:58:57
include like bankruptcy from too much debt, your son Oding on
1:59:00
fentanyl, your neighborhood completely changing because
1:59:03
unlike Israel, Americans don't have a right to their country.
1:59:05
It can just be completely changed by their legislature.
1:59:07
New people can show up in foreign countries, not speak
1:59:09
your language. There's nothing you can do about
1:59:10
because you don't have a right because you're not BB.
1:59:11
Can you feel the resentment because it's real?
1:59:13
I'm not against Israel. I'm against the total.
1:59:15
You hide that. Very well.
1:59:16
I'm mad at my lawmakers. For not protecting my country
1:59:19
with the care they've protected Israel, I don't think that.
1:59:21
Your country, my country, our country has spent that much time
1:59:25
protecting Israel. I asked you a little bit ago.
1:59:26
Notice how. He says your country, and then
1:59:28
he takes a second and then he's like my country.
1:59:30
No, he he wasn't that. He thinks his country's Israel.
1:59:33
This guy's a fucking cunt, No? Time protecting my country?
1:59:36
No, I ask you. Well, actually, they do.
1:59:39
How? They are the tip of the spear.
1:59:40
Every enemy that has our in our country, things that are
1:59:42
targeted toward us often go through them.
1:59:44
How do we have 60 million illegal aliens if they protected
1:59:46
my country? Well, we didn't protect our
1:59:47
country because we had a president that opened up the
1:59:49
borders and didn't give a rest. It's been going on since Reagan.
1:59:50
Coming in since Reagan 1986. Yeah, but that's 40 years.
1:59:53
President Trump, the credit for having closed the border, I'm
1:59:55
giving. I love the fact I can't pay for
1:59:56
Trump because he said he closed the border.
1:59:57
He did. Amen.
1:59:57
Thank you, Trump. But we had Reagan, then we had
2:00:00
Bush, then we had Clinton, then we had Clinton, then we had Bush
2:00:03
again. Then we had that guy Obama, and
2:00:06
then, you know, the presidents. Yeah.
2:00:07
And they all presided over my country's total transformation
2:00:10
from a nice, clean, affluent, orderly society into, like,
2:00:13
pretty comfort world, actually. That's not protecting us.
2:00:16
That's behaving with total contempt for my country.
2:00:18
You said a moment. Ago that we do more are you
2:00:21
inferred that we do more for Israel than we do for ourselves
2:00:24
You believe that I don't I. Didn't say we do more for
2:00:25
Israel. It's like, but where's the care?
2:00:27
Where's the concern? Where's the We Do way?
2:00:29
More for Israel and Israelis than we do for Americans.
2:00:32
Tucker, grow a fucking pair of balls and actually press this
2:00:35
guy you fucking worthless vagina.
2:00:38
Holy smokes. There are drug cartels in your
2:00:39
neighborhood. You're telling me about the
2:00:40
border with Lebanon and like Hezbollah or Hezbollah or
2:00:42
whatever you call it in some Latin American country.
2:00:44
I don't care. There are drug cartels in my
2:00:46
neighborhood. I know people who died of
2:00:47
fentanyl, ODS. Where did fentanyl come from?
2:00:49
Probably from China from. Mexico from China.
2:00:51
Through, yeah, the precursor. Chemicals, they say, come from
2:00:53
China. I get it.
2:00:54
And who's in that? Axis with China, Iran, Larry
2:00:56
Fink. Is in that access with No,
2:00:58
actually, actually the heads of our biggest corporations are in
2:01:00
that axis with China. I don't care about Iran at all.
2:01:03
I care about America. And if blowing up Iran makes my
2:01:07
country richer and safer, I'm for it.
2:01:08
And if it doesn't, I'm totally opposed.
2:01:09
It's that simple. I think most Americans feel that
2:01:11
way. No, I asked you a question a
2:01:13
little bit ago. You never got back to because I
2:01:14
think it's an important one, because one of the things that
2:01:16
I've I sense of tension with you, you feel like that we do
2:01:18
too much for Israel. We're getting nothing from it.
2:01:20
And I ask you how many? No, I don't think we're getting
2:01:22
how many boots on the ground. Has.
2:01:25
The US placed on behalf of Israel, however many went to
2:01:28
Iraq. We did that for Israel.
2:01:28
No, I don't think we did. You said we did it because of
2:01:30
911. That's what's the US
2:01:32
justification for it. But it wasn't.
2:01:34
It wasn't 911. So what was the actual reason?
2:01:36
Well, that's. The US government told us it was
2:01:38
for 911. They told us that they were part
2:01:39
of it. They had weapons of mass.
2:01:40
The fact that. This guy's in a government role
2:01:42
and he can't even openly admit what was really going on with
2:01:46
the Iraq war. It just shows you everything you
2:01:48
fucking need to know about these people.
2:01:50
It's fucking sick. And the fact that this guy plays
2:01:52
stupid and he's like, oh, but that's what the US justified it
2:01:55
with. It's like, OK, but what do you
2:01:56
think? What do you think, you fucking
2:01:58
cunt? Not your propaganda tools.
2:01:59
What do you think, you stupid bitch?
2:02:02
They knew they. All went with 911.
2:02:03
Obviously there's no evidence. So what was the actual Israel
2:02:05
was not in that component. But Israel had no influence on
2:02:07
our decision to invade Iraq. That's not what the people who
2:02:09
made the decision say. They say Israel, well, let me
2:02:11
get back to the point. Gave us that information about
2:02:13
the fake weapons of mass destruction.
2:02:14
What do you think the question was how many, how many Americans
2:02:16
put their boots on the ground for Israel?
2:02:17
The answer is zero. Everybody who served as Iraq,
2:02:19
that's what their boots on the ground for Israel did not, did
2:02:21
not like, literally. Bibi Netanyahu testified in
2:02:23
America that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.
2:02:28
Where did we get the information about the weapons of mass
2:02:29
destruction that wasn't real? We didn't.
2:02:30
Get that from you're saying we got that from Israel, that
2:02:32
Israel was one pushed us into that?
2:02:33
Well, absolutely. You really believe that.
2:02:35
I know that for a. Fact or so does everything, it's
2:02:37
on his. Video widely written about.
2:02:38
And discussed. And I'm not attacking Israel.
2:02:39
They thought it was in their interest to take out a
2:02:41
government that was paying the families of suicide bombers.
2:02:43
I get it. I'm not mad at Israel about
2:02:45
that. I never have been.
2:02:46
I'm mad at the Bush administration and all the
2:02:48
people who went along with this to the detriment of my country.
2:02:51
That's who I'm at, not Israel. BB is doing what he can for his
2:02:53
country, whether you agree with him or not.
2:02:54
I want my leaders to do the same for my country.
2:02:55
That's it. I think the.
2:02:56
Present leadership is doing just that, I truly do.
2:02:59
And I don't think that it's at all accurate to even intimate
2:03:03
that tiny little Israel is pushing the US into something it
2:03:05
does not want to do. I totally our leaders.
2:03:07
Appear to want to do it. Our public does not want to do
2:03:09
it at all. The public does not want war
2:03:11
with Iran. BB does.
2:03:12
He's gotten 77 trips to the White House.
2:03:16
The average American question would be, hold on.
2:03:17
The average American doesn't have that level of access and a
2:03:21
foreign leader does 7 in one year.
2:03:23
And now we're moving toward war with Iran.
2:03:25
The average American doesn't want that war.
2:03:26
The average American is outraged.
2:03:27
Don't you understand? I'm not saying that we.
2:03:29
At all. The strongest president I've
2:03:30
ever seen in my lifetime. Going back to Eisenhower for a
2:03:32
second. If you're in a no, no, listen to
2:03:34
me Tucker, for God's sake. I'm not attacking.
2:03:35
Trump if I like Trump. I know, but.
2:03:37
You're making it sound like that he is being pulled into
2:03:39
something that he really doesn't want to do, or pulled into
2:03:41
something because he's persuaded I'm neither.
2:03:43
Saying that I was in a meeting last.
2:03:44
Week. I was in the meetings last week.
2:03:46
Minister, you, President Trump is not being LED into something
2:03:49
at all, to be clear, Prime Minister Netanyahu, to be clear.
2:03:52
I'm neither saying that nor implying it.
2:03:53
What I'm stating out loud is true, and that's that Prime
2:03:56
Minister Netanyahu, Bibi Netanyahu has way more influence
2:04:00
over Americans foreign policy than Americans do.
2:04:02
And we know this because he wants a war with Iran.
2:04:05
The overwhelming majority of Americans don't want to war with
2:04:06
Iran, and we're very likely to get a war with Iran.
2:04:09
So who has more influence, Benjamin Netanyahu or 80% of
2:04:11
Americans? I'm saying that's outrageous.
2:04:13
That's all I'm saying. I would counter.
2:04:14
That maybe Netanyahu does not want a war with Iran.
2:04:18
To say that he wants a war, you know who's going to be at the
2:04:20
very front of that? His people.
2:04:22
And I don't agree with that. I'm I'm with him enough to know
2:04:24
he does not want a war. He doesn't, does he?
2:04:26
Does he think that there may be a necessity he wants?
2:04:28
The United States to go for a war that no, when you say like,
2:04:32
oh, his people would be right at the front of it.
2:04:34
No, they wouldn't. Actually, you would put the
2:04:36
Americans at the front the same way you did with Iraq.
2:04:39
You can't. Of taking a war in order to
2:04:41
prevent an attack on not just Israel.
2:04:43
I don't want to be an argument, but I think.
2:04:45
I know too much. I mean, let's, let's be real,
2:04:46
OK, So there was, you know, Steve Witkoff in my opinion, is
2:04:49
just a sterling guy, just a good guy.
2:04:50
He's a good guy. That's my view.
2:04:52
And pro American and just couldn't be nicer and wants the
2:04:54
right thing. He's probably Trump's best
2:04:56
friend. He, and maybe Jared too, are
2:04:58
involved in the negotiation with Hamas.
2:05:01
You mean with Iran? With Iran, Yeah.
2:05:02
I'm so sorry. OK.
2:05:03
And. The Israeli government short
2:05:07
circus it by hitting Iran. So like they what do you mean
2:05:11
they short circuit by hitting Iran?
2:05:13
They did everything they could to shut down the negotiations
2:05:16
between the United States, the Trump administration, and Iran.
2:05:20
And look, I wouldn't. They're acting again in their
2:05:23
own interest. But our country should also act
2:05:26
in its own interest. That's all I'm saying.
2:05:27
I said, don't tell me that BB doesn't want a war with Iran.
2:05:29
I he doesn't. If Jared Kushner and Steve
2:05:32
Witkoff could be successful in getting the president's demands,
2:05:34
and keep in mind these are the president's demands, what are
2:05:36
those demands? No enrichment.
2:05:37
No nuclear weapon. Quit killing your own people in
2:05:39
the streets by the 10s of thousands.
2:05:41
You, you and I both agree that it's a horrible thing to kill
2:05:43
your own citizens, which Iran is a horrible thing to kill.
2:05:45
Anybody citizens. Anybody citizens.
2:05:46
We agree on that, except that they're 14 year olds working for
2:05:48
Moss. But whatever.
2:05:49
It's still a tragic, but no, it is.
2:05:51
Sorry I'm being a jerk. You really are being I am.
2:05:52
I know, I know, I know. I'm such a jerk.
2:05:54
I'm going to write down you're right, you're right.
2:05:56
I admitted I know he's a jerk. Oh, I am a jerk.
2:05:58
Everyone knows that. I mean, I'm trying to really
2:05:59
trying to. OK, OK, no, but I agree with you
2:06:01
100%. Of course it suggests that could
2:06:02
be done, and I pray it can. Yes.
2:06:04
And you know why #1 because it would be wonderful for everybody
2:06:06
#2 if there is a war, you're going to be 6000 miles from it.
2:06:09
You know where I'm going to be in the bull's eye.
2:06:11
Do I want there to be a war? No.
2:06:12
Do Israelis want there to be a war?
2:06:13
No. How many?
2:06:15
I keep hearing Israel's fighting A7 front war right now.
2:06:18
What are those 7 fronts? Well, you got.
2:06:20
Lebanon, you have Egypt. Now Egypt is not an active war,
2:06:23
but you have the Muslim Brotherhood within Egypt.
2:06:25
You've got the Muslim Brotherhood in Jordan.
2:06:27
You've got Syria. They're fighting war with
2:06:28
Jordan, with the Muslim Brotherhood that is in Jordan.
2:06:30
Not directly with Jordan, not the government of Jordan, but
2:06:32
are they? You've got Hezbollah, you've got
2:06:34
Lebanon, hoodies in Yemen. You.
2:06:36
Have Hamas in Gaza, you have the threats that come from Iran.
2:06:40
And how many is that? That's seven.
2:06:42
That's seven. OK, I'll give you an eighth one.
2:06:44
You know the 8th 1 The media now I would tell you there's an
2:06:47
eighth front war they fight. How many journalists?
2:06:48
Is Israel killed in Gaza? I don't know over 200.
2:06:52
It seems like are. They real journalists because a
2:06:53
lot of those people that were supposedly journalists were
2:06:55
actually Hamas fighters that are documented Hamas fighters.
2:06:57
So that's why I ask you how many are actual journalists?
2:06:59
You know, I, I. Don't know, but a lot of them
2:07:00
were. I mean, they were like they
2:07:01
could. Literally just say like, oh, we
2:07:03
killed this person, OK, let's just call them Hamas.
2:07:06
Like that's what they've been doing for big news.
2:07:08
Organizations and they had. Press written on their chest.
2:07:10
Some of them had. Unruh cars and they were also
2:07:11
working for Hamas, so. Hamas, do you think that over
2:07:14
200 journalists killed in Gaza, all fake journalists, deserve to
2:07:16
be? No idea how.
2:07:17
Many the total number is I don't have their credentials, but I
2:07:19
know that there quite a few there were actually Hamas
2:07:21
fighters that protected Hamas asked the hostages.
2:07:24
The hostages came back and they started telling about the number
2:07:26
of people that were doctors and hospitals that held them hostage
2:07:28
in their homes are the number of people who are pretending to be
2:07:30
journalists who are actually holding them hostage as someone
2:07:32
who's telling you that there's there's a lot more to as someone
2:07:34
who's tax. Dollars helped pay for killing
2:07:36
all the civilians in Gaza. I feel like I have a right to
2:07:38
know how many were killed and Israel won't let outside
2:07:41
observers in to figure it out and I I'm frustrated.
2:07:43
Just want to say that my last questions about Christians, both
2:07:46
Christians who visit and Christians who live here,
2:07:49
particularly in the West Bank, I.
2:07:52
Spoke to. Someone recently, a Christian
2:07:54
minister who grew up in a town right outside Bethlehem, we
2:07:57
would know it as Shepherd's Field in the New Testament,
2:08:00
where the shepherd's were tending their flocks in Matthew.
2:08:02
And of course, the angels come and announce the arrival of
2:08:03
Jesus in in nearby Bethlehem. His family's been Christian, he
2:08:05
says, for 2000 years. He says his where he grew up is
2:08:08
now surrounded by settlements of people who are not from Israel
2:08:11
at all. While they're from the United
2:08:12
States, Jewish settlements, they have different roads that the
2:08:16
native Christians aren't allowed to use.
2:08:17
I don't quite know how that works.
2:08:18
And he described the story where his mother was shot outside
2:08:22
their house by an IDF soldier for reasons no one ever
2:08:24
explained. She survived, but no one's ever
2:08:26
punished for it or even explained why they did it.
2:08:28
And he basically described being terrorized by settlers.
2:08:31
And I wonder if that's a concern for you, for the native
2:08:34
population, the indigenous population.
2:08:36
Did you say this? Happened in Bethlehem.
2:08:39
It happened in Shepherd's Field, so it's a Christian village.
2:08:41
Beth Sakura I think is it's name Outside right outside Bethlehem
2:08:44
if it's in. Bethlehem.
2:08:45
It's not in Bethlehem. It's again it's Beth Sakura I
2:08:47
believe is the name of the village because there.
2:08:49
Are no Israelis in Bethlehem? None.
2:08:51
There are no Jews in Bethlehem. Are there new settlements?
2:08:53
Outside Bethlehem, where he's from.
2:08:54
Over. In in area C but not in area A
2:08:57
there are none. Well, he.
2:08:58
Describes the town he grew up in and I guess I I wonder why a
2:09:01
Christian whose family's been there for 2000 years,
2:09:04
Palestinian. Christians throughout.
2:09:06
Why is they in Samaria that that's true?
2:09:07
I've been over to visit him. I know you haven't.
2:09:09
Some have been, you know, we've advocated.
2:09:12
For some that are Muslim, but they're American citizens and we
2:09:14
advocated because there was, but why can't they?
2:09:16
Just drive into Jerusalem to go to the Church of the Holy
2:09:18
Sepulchre. Why do they need a permit to do
2:09:19
that if they're from? Because of the?
2:09:20
Acts of terrorism that has made it impossible to do it.
2:09:22
But they're, you know how many suicides?
2:09:23
No, no, no. Let me you don't ask this
2:09:25
question. So what do we do?
2:09:26
Just say you're a Christian. Oh, yeah, I'm a Christian, but
2:09:27
you're wearing a suicide bomb. Do Christians?
2:09:29
Do suicide bombs. They could, they could if all
2:09:31
they have to do is just say announce I'm a Christian.
2:09:34
There were over 1000. I'll just get a Denny.
2:09:35
Cards as I'm Christian, let me just finish this before.
2:09:37
Israel put the the green line up and before they took great care
2:09:41
to put checkpoints in place, there were over 1000 suicide
2:09:43
bombers in one year. It was often one year, I
2:09:45
remember it, but I don't think any of them were Christians.
2:09:47
And they might not have been OK, but but my point is we, we can
2:09:50
find out if they were. And so you're, you're saying we
2:09:52
just trust somebody. If they come up and say, I'm a
2:09:53
Christian, I just want to go to the Holy Sepulchre and let me
2:09:56
in. What I'm saying is that
2:09:57
Christians have a right to go to the Holy Sepulchre, and Israel
2:09:59
does. Not own it.
2:09:59
They've had possession of it since 1967.
2:10:01
It doesn't belong to BB. It belongs to me and you and
2:10:03
every other Christian BB. Was a probably a young person I
2:10:05
don't know. No Christian should ever be
2:10:07
barred from the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.
2:10:08
Should Christians? Be barred from Joseph's tomb in
2:10:10
Nablus? I don't know.
2:10:11
Let's. Just start with the Church of
2:10:12
the Holy Sepulchre. And I don't understand on what
2:10:14
grounds they can go to. Well, they can't.
2:10:16
If they're Christians, it bets the horror.
2:10:17
So I don't understand why they're a threat.
2:10:19
They're not a threat. And why won't you, as the
2:10:22
Christian minister, U.S. ambassador to the state of
2:10:24
Israel, say to the Prime Minister, you can't allow this?
2:10:26
Your country exists in part because American Christians
2:10:28
support you. So you have to treat us well.
2:10:30
Part of the problem, Tucker. Is that in the Palestinian
2:10:32
Authority? And that's what we're talking
2:10:33
about. There are Christians.
2:10:34
Look, I know some Christians who live in Bethlehem and that is
2:10:36
Area A Bethlehem was 80 plus percent Christian before Oslo,
2:10:40
80% Christian, less than 20% Muslim.
2:10:43
Today it's flipped. It's now 80 plus percent Muslim.
2:10:45
It's very few Christian. And some of the Christians that
2:10:47
I personally know and know well are Zionist.
2:10:50
Let that surprise you. They're Zionist.
2:10:52
And some are are. So in the Palestinian Authority,
2:10:56
they still teach children from the time they're five years old
2:10:58
that the greatest thing in the world is to kill Jews.
2:11:01
And if they end up being a martyr and if they kill Jews,
2:11:04
they will get a pension for life if they die.
2:11:05
And if they don't, they'll get a paycheck for life and their
2:11:07
families will. And it's called the prisoners
2:11:09
and martyrs fund. It's we call it pay for slay in
2:11:11
the US. It is against are a lot of
2:11:12
Christians. Collecting on that, I don't
2:11:14
know, Zero. So my question remains, and I'm
2:11:16
a little bit frustrated at this point because I'm not defending
2:11:18
Hamas. I hate suicide bombing.
2:11:19
I hate suicide. I hate violence.
2:11:20
I hate the killing of children, period.
2:11:22
Why can't a? Christian who was born there,
2:11:23
whose family's been there for 2000 years, following Jesus for
2:11:25
2000 years. Drive because it's really close
2:11:28
to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.
2:11:29
He poses no threat. And why can't the United States
2:11:32
government advocate for him to do that?
2:11:33
We do. Advocate for Americans because
2:11:35
that's our job. And it doesn't matter whether
2:11:37
Palestinian or Israeli, we do that.
2:11:39
But as far as when they how many Americans?
2:11:41
Are being held in Israeli prisons, right?
2:11:43
Now total, I don't have a exact number on that.
2:11:45
I don't know how can you advocate for them if you.
2:11:46
Don't know how many there are. Well, everyone that we.
2:11:48
Know we go visit our consular goes there almost every week and
2:11:50
visits the Americans. It's not a large number as far
2:11:53
as Americans, but when we have them, we go.
2:11:55
We go to their trials when they're on trial.
2:11:57
So, yeah, we do a lot more than giving us credit.
2:11:58
Oh, I'm giving you credit. No, no, OK, I'm giving you
2:12:00
credit on that because we don't get much.
2:12:01
We don't get much, by the way, not every embassy does that.
2:12:03
I happen to know for a fact they don't advocate for Americans in
2:12:05
jail. And we take our consular
2:12:06
services across into the Palestinian Authority and help
2:12:09
people over there. Some of those are Christians,
2:12:11
some are not. Some are Muslim.
2:12:12
But if they're Americans and they have American citizenship
2:12:14
with an American passport, we help them.
2:12:16
That makes me so. Happy to hear I go to Ramallah.
2:12:18
I sit down with the Vice President and the Prime Minister
2:12:20
of the Palestinian Authority. We try to work ways to make
2:12:23
things better. But the reason that sometimes
2:12:25
it's not just a absolute free passage, I'll tell you why,
2:12:29
because there are too many incidences of terrorist acts and
2:12:32
Israel is not going to allow themselves but the Christians.
2:12:35
Didn't do it and they're not going to do it.
2:12:36
And Christians pay for all of this.
2:12:37
They pay for a lot of formals. It's it's very, you can say it's
2:12:40
unfair, but here's you can't punish the innocent.
2:12:41
How's that? But you got to.
2:12:42
Somehow make sure that you screen people and that's why the
2:12:44
checkpoints. Let me tell you what happened
2:12:45
not too very long ago. We had a humanitarian aid truck
2:12:49
that came across from Jordan. The driver was supposedly
2:12:51
vetted. He was a former Jordanian
2:12:52
military person. He came across the checkpoint.
2:12:55
Everything should be fine, right?
2:12:56
He gets out of his truck, he takes a gun and he shoots 2 of
2:12:58
the people, I believe it, who are the Israelis at the
2:13:00
checkpoint, one of whom was a young person less than a year in
2:13:02
the job his mother teaches in the American school where our
2:13:05
embassy people go in Hersalia. I get to make the phone call to
2:13:07
the mother. I'm going to tell you something.
2:13:09
It was not the most pleasant thing in my life.
2:13:11
It sounds awful. It is awful.
2:13:11
And so those kind of incidences are the reason that it is
2:13:14
difficult to go from Judea, Samaria or West Bank.
2:13:16
Call it whatever you want, but if you're in Area A, which is
2:13:18
under the control of the Palestinian Authority and your
2:13:21
education has been the killing Jews is a wonderful thing.
2:13:24
I'm talking about the. Christians if the Christians if
2:13:25
they go to those schools. That's still going to get that
2:13:26
education. When was the last?
2:13:27
Time there was a suicide bomb detonated by Christians.
2:13:29
I don't know. Never.
2:13:30
Let me ask you this. Look, I'm not trying to defend.
2:13:32
But I'm saying to you that if the curriculum doesn't get
2:13:34
changed, if the pay for slay doesn't get changed, that
2:13:36
doesn't You have a culture. But it you say it doesn't apply,
2:13:39
maybe it never has happened. I don't know whether it has ever
2:13:41
happened. When will Palestinians?
2:13:42
In the West Bank have the same rights as Israelis in the West
2:13:44
Bank. Are you talking about the ones?
2:13:46
That live in the Palestinian Authority I'm talking about.
2:13:48
People who live in the villages they grew up in, the changed
2:13:50
hands went from 1 government to make the difference.
2:13:51
Whether they live under the Palestinian Authority
2:13:52
government, whether they live under Israeli, if they live
2:13:54
under Area A, you know the difference.
2:13:55
I do. I'm.
2:13:56
Saying if they live under. Area A They live under the
2:13:57
Palestinian Authority government.
2:13:58
They don't live under Israeli government, but it's controlled
2:13:59
by the Israeli. Government completely.
2:14:00
There's no airport. They control the utilities.
2:14:02
I mean, this is, it's silly. I understand there's a form of
2:14:04
self government, but the big decisions are made by the
2:14:05
Israeli government. Obviously I've been there.
2:14:06
I know this and you know it too. So how long does this go on?
2:14:09
You say that God gave the nation of Israel the right to this
2:14:11
land. Why not just take it, declare it
2:14:12
Israel and make everyone a citizen?
2:14:13
I don't understand why that's not happening.
2:14:14
Well, you know what? There are.
2:14:16
People who think that would be a much better, what do you think?
2:14:18
I think I think it very well could be.
2:14:19
And do you ask certain people living in the PA under their
2:14:21
very corrupt government, where 91% of the people think the
2:14:24
government is hopelessly corrupt?
2:14:25
That's what the numbers are. They would tell you that they
2:14:27
would be better off if the Israelis were the governing
2:14:30
authority. Everyone gets voting.
2:14:31
Rights. Would that be the case if they
2:14:32
were all? Under Israeli authority, you
2:14:33
know, there are, Do you realize there are lots of Arab Israelis?
2:14:37
I know, and they vote. Do you know they serve in the
2:14:39
Knesset? I'm very aware.
2:14:40
Of that and I just. And they served on the Supreme.
2:14:42
Court. And did you know that it was an
2:14:43
Arab who sentenced a former president and Prime Minister to
2:14:46
prison? I I know this.
2:14:47
I just want to know how many. Jews get to help govern Saudi
2:14:50
Arabia or Qatar or Syria. I I'm not this is.
2:14:55
Just distracting propaganda bullshit.
2:14:57
None of this has to do with what he's actually talking about.
2:14:59
I'm not talking this is a much more open.
2:15:01
Government in society and you make it sound like that.
2:15:03
The Israelis. Sound that way?
2:15:04
I'm just asking. I'm not attacking the nation of
2:15:08
Israel. I'm just wondering what the plan
2:15:09
is. So I've been hearing my whole
2:15:10
life how bad the PA is. OK, great.
2:15:11
But what's the plan here? So they're moving all these
2:15:13
Americans, people from around the world, into settlements
2:15:15
subsidized by Americans in the West Bank.
2:15:17
Now they're not moving. Them from around the world to
2:15:19
the settlements they're people who make aliyah they come I'm
2:15:21
just these are these are Israelis who live in Israel Well
2:15:24
there are a lot of people in area C is Israel OK OK, but.
2:15:27
Does it remain a territory under military control forever?
2:15:30
Does it just become part of the state?
2:15:32
The Palestinian Authority, that's the big question.
2:15:33
Do you believe in the two state solution?
2:15:35
And if you do, I would show you on that.
2:15:37
And I would ask you because this is I don't know.
2:15:40
I don't know what I think. I just think you need to treat
2:15:42
people like human beings and that's not happening, obviously.
2:15:44
And that would be. You don't glorify their killing.
2:15:45
Yeah, let them go to the church if they want.
2:15:47
See the yellow parts? Yeah, that's Palestinian
2:15:49
Authority. The tan parts, that's Area B.
2:15:53
That's the area that is mixed. Israel has military authority,
2:15:57
but the Palestinians can live anywhere they want to in there.
2:15:59
And the blue area, that's area C Area C is Israel and Israelis
2:16:02
can live in Israel. That's what it is.
2:16:04
Now when people say they want a 2 state solution, I love to show
2:16:06
him a map like this and I ask him where does that state line
2:16:09
up? There is no contiguous.
2:16:11
I know it works. You know, we've got a lot of
2:16:12
states in the. United States that need help.
2:16:14
So I'm not going to weigh in on other people's states.
2:16:15
To be totally honest. I just don't want to pay for it
2:16:17
anymore and just want to fix the wrong country.
2:16:18
But let me ask you one last question, which is how
2:16:19
Christians are treated in Jerusalem.
2:16:21
I've talked to so many who've been spit on.
2:16:23
I talked to so many. How many?
2:16:25
Well, 2. Yesterday, two, yeah, both
2:16:26
Catholic clergy and both told me the same thing.
2:16:28
Anglican clergy I interviewed, I just had.
2:16:30
Dinner recently with a Greek patriarch.
2:16:33
There's been. A million stories about this.
2:16:34
Yeah, I know. There are instances where
2:16:35
Christians get heckled. Usually it's people who are
2:16:37
wearing clerical robes and they're wearing crosses.
2:16:39
And it shouldn't happen. It's horrible.
2:16:40
It's just bad for that to happen as it is to spit on somebody
2:16:42
wearing a Kip in New York City. Terrible, horrible.
2:16:44
And actually I should. To be fair, there is, and I just
2:16:46
learned this, a Jewish Israeli group that keeps track of
2:16:49
Christians being spit on in Jerusalem because they're
2:16:51
offended by it. And God bless them for keeping
2:16:53
track and for being offended by it.
2:16:54
But they're an awful lot of examples of that.
2:16:57
And my question to you, you're against it.
2:16:58
Of course. You're Christian clerk.
2:16:59
Horribly against. It what is it?
2:17:00
So is the Prime Minister, the president, the foreign minister.
2:17:02
So is I get it, I think every no one would defend the thinking
2:17:05
person. But what is it?
2:17:05
Why are they spitting very. Limited.
2:17:07
It's very, very isolated. But for the most part, you know
2:17:10
what? As Christians, we have freedom
2:17:11
of movement here. Talk.
2:17:12
I go to church every Sunday. I play bass guitar in my church
2:17:14
band. I get it.
2:17:15
I don't get to hassle being a Christian.
2:17:16
Everyone here knows I'm the first evangelical to be
2:17:19
ambassador to Israel. Do you think they hate me here?
2:17:20
No. Are evangelicals.
2:17:21
Recognized by the State of Israel, Yeah.
2:17:23
They don't. Yeah, OK.
2:17:25
And and welcomed and and appreciated, you know, but like.
2:17:27
As a as a religious, like, are there evangelical churches in
2:17:29
Israel? My gosh.
2:17:30
Yes, there's 184,000 Christians in I know, I know and much
2:17:34
larger than, but there are churches that are non
2:17:36
denominational evangelical here. Of course there are.
2:17:39
And and it ranges from when you say non denominational, some of
2:17:41
them are affiliated Baptist Assembly of God.
2:17:43
Some of them are truly non denominational Pentecostal.
2:17:45
Some are Messianic churches where most of the people are
2:17:50
ethnically Jewish, but they are messianic.
2:17:52
They believe in Jesus. There are a lot of those
2:17:54
churches and they're spent out all.
2:17:55
Over Israel, there's freedom. You don't.
2:17:56
Oh, I know a lot of Christians in Israel, by the way.
2:17:58
Yes. And I, as I said, I really hope
2:18:00
I can come back and talk to more but and come to church with me.
2:18:03
Oh, I definitely would. OK.
2:18:04
Why? And I mean that too.
2:18:05
Yeah. Why would people spit on like,
2:18:07
where does that come from? I think it's from.
2:18:08
An evil heart. What else would it be?
2:18:10
I agree. I mean, I don't think anybody
2:18:11
would ever spit on another person, even if it was, you
2:18:13
know, I don't care what a person's religion is or what a
2:18:15
person's nationality is. I don't hate anybody.
2:18:17
I wouldn't spit on anybody. I wouldn't hackle anyone.
2:18:19
Then I find it repulsive. Nothing about it is I would.
2:18:22
Spit at the feet of Mike Huckabee.
2:18:24
The guy's trash. Defensible.
2:18:25
I will say that the one. This was off camera, but I
2:18:28
interviewed this Christian leader here and I said, oh,
2:18:31
that's so awful. And he goes, you know, I feel
2:18:32
blessed because Jesus was spit on and it's an opportunity for
2:18:36
humility for me. And I thought, wow, that's a
2:18:37
Christian. Let me tell you this.
2:18:38
I've been coming in and out of Jerusalem and Israel for 50,
2:18:41
well, soon to be 53 years. Before I came as ambassador, I
2:18:44
made over 100 trips here. I've never been spat on.
2:18:46
I've never had someone yell at me.
2:18:49
I've never had an experience where I felt uncomfortable or
2:18:52
that I was unwelcome. If you spit.
2:18:55
On someone wearing a Yamaha, New York City, you go rates jail.
2:18:57
They would not put up with that for one second.
2:18:58
And they do put up here because it still happens.
2:18:59
I'm not sure they do go to. Jail in New York City.
2:19:01
They should. And they should go to jail here.
2:19:03
I'm against it. They should go to jail here.
2:19:04
Hey, man. So there were all these
2:19:06
Christian ministers who were brought over here, evangelicals
2:19:08
in December, and I think mostly to attack me, but also probably
2:19:13
the other oh, they weren't here. To attack you.
2:19:14
I just joke they. Were attacking, but whatever and
2:19:17
but they were flown over by the state.
2:19:18
The state paid for it and they had a conference here.
2:19:20
I got one of the guides that they received when they arrived.
2:19:24
And I think it's real and it says don't preach about Jesus
2:19:26
when you're in Israel. We don't we don't allow that.
2:19:28
Don't do that. You're in Israel.
2:19:30
Why would a Christian minister agree not to preach about Jesus?
2:19:34
I'm not sure because I have. I've never heard someone tell
2:19:37
another Christian minister not to do that.
2:19:38
Interesting. Good.
2:19:39
Well, I was. I was, I mean, totally baffled.
2:19:40
What would be the purpose of going to church as a Christian
2:19:42
if you didn't talk about Jesus here?
2:19:44
Agree. More thank you, I can assure
2:19:45
you. That the church I attend, we
2:19:46
talk about Jesus. I mean, we pray in the name of
2:19:48
Jesus. No, I don't get.
2:19:49
To anyone else outside the church, are you allowed?
2:19:51
Like, could I stand on the corner and just tell people
2:19:53
about Jesus here? You could.
2:19:54
I'm not saying you'd get applause or that people right,
2:19:56
that's fine. But I'm but I'm saying there are
2:19:57
people that there's no law. Against that though, not that
2:19:59
I'm aware. Of the only laws that.
2:20:01
That I know of. You can't proselytize someone
2:20:03
under the age of 18 and you cannot offer people things of
2:20:05
value in order to cause them to listen to your presentation.
2:20:08
For example, I can't say, hey, for $10, would you let me give
2:20:10
you this gospel tract and, and scream at you can't do that.
2:20:14
I don't know if it's enforced. I'm I'm not sure.
2:20:15
I don't ever hear anyone arrested for it, but there no.
2:20:17
There's no law. Again, it's just like preaching
2:20:19
to you. Walk down to the old city.
2:20:20
You'll hear people, you know, out there preaching on the
2:20:22
street. Now, are they effective?
2:20:23
I don't know. I'm not sure that people are
2:20:25
stopping and falling on their knees and saying this is what
2:20:26
I've been waiting for. I don't know.
2:20:27
But what I'm telling you is that the idea that you can't say it,
2:20:30
I know that there are places in the rest of this region where
2:20:33
you can't do that for sure. Yeah.
2:20:35
Qatar, you can't wear a cross in public, for sure.
2:20:37
You can't pray in public, Christian people.
2:20:39
Wearing crosses in Qatar, but in Qatar.
2:20:41
I have. I don't know what the.
2:20:42
Laws are yeah, in Saudi Arabia. Don't think so.
2:20:44
I doubt it. The one place is an exception is
2:20:46
the Emiratis. And I love those folks because
2:20:48
they are so progressive and they're doing so many things to
2:20:51
change the the template of things.
2:20:53
They have a Abraham House, that is, it is a combination
2:20:56
synagogue, church and mosque. That's pretty amazing, isn't it,
2:21:00
that they have the same building and they use it for all three of
2:21:02
the major religions of the world.
2:21:03
And I think that's incredible. But they're really trying to do
2:21:06
things that are beyond what anyone else in the region.
2:21:09
They change their textbooks. They teach that Israel is not a
2:21:13
nation they should hate or should seek to annihilate.
2:21:15
They've done some remarkable things following all this.
2:21:17
Stuff in the I agree that they have a Hindu temple in Abu
2:21:19
Dhabi. You've been following all this,
2:21:20
like, hate the Muslim stuff going on in the United States on
2:21:22
the right. I I.
2:21:23
Hear some of it and it's, it's unpleasant.
2:21:25
We shouldn't hate anybody. Amen.
2:21:26
Yeah, it's. Not a good thing.
2:21:27
Hate is an evil thing. I don't, you know, sometimes you
2:21:30
say I don't support child killing.
2:21:32
OK, I don't either. But I don't support hate in any
2:21:34
form. I think it's a horrible thing.
2:21:35
That is such a great. Standard and I want to hold
2:21:38
myself to that. And thank you for saying that
2:21:39
out loud. I don't hate you, I hope.
2:21:41
Not Governor. Ambassador, thank you very much
2:21:43
for spending all this time. Appreciate it.
2:21:45
I'm glad you came. Please come back.
2:21:46
I will go with me to some places and the church.
2:21:49
I want you to see that is Christians.
2:21:51
We're pretty free here. Appreciate it.
2:21:54
Thank you and welcome. Yeah, I mean, that was such a
2:21:58
ridiculous fucking interview. It was good.
2:22:01
I'm glad we watched it, but that was fucking ridiculous.
2:22:05
I mean, it was literally just a mix of Tucker being a pussy and
2:22:09
Propaganda getting our comments pulled up.
2:22:11
We're going to move over to the comments section of the episode.
2:22:14
Thank you guys for tuning into the show.
2:22:17
Kind of fucking. Sucks I mean like literally
2:22:19
YouTube. Fucking YouTube just raped me.
2:22:22
I I can't upload on YouTube for a week now apparently.
2:22:26
That's fucking. Insane.
2:22:28
Because I. Showed a video of the United
2:22:30
States scoring the game-winning goal that ESPN posted.
2:22:34
I'm not allowed to post on YouTube for a week.
2:22:38
Go fuck yourself like it's so fucking that that's insane to
2:22:42
me. But OK, we're going to move on
2:22:45
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first one. Does she not realize that we
2:23:17
want the abortion laws to change for every woman, not just for
2:23:21
the women actively seeking abortions?
2:23:23
Obviously it could happen to anyone, even those in support of
2:23:26
those laws being in place. Just like I don't believe your
2:23:30
life is more valuable than your child's.
2:23:32
Mine isn't either. That's retarded.
2:23:34
She's retarded. Yeah, her.
2:23:36
Entire stance on abortion. I mean, I don't agree with Ryan
2:23:39
anything ideologically. Can you talk about the purchase
2:23:45
of Zorro Ranch by Don Huffing's? The property that wasn't
2:23:48
properly searched by authorities?
2:23:50
Yeah, I. Kind of like addressed that in
2:23:52
the beginning of the show for you and I commented back to you
2:23:55
the same thing. It's like we just wouldn't have
2:23:56
got anything out of it because they've already scrubbed it.
2:23:59
You're the master, Rajabator. I am good at rage baiting
2:24:03
people. I'm so fucking good at it.
2:24:05
You should see me on Xbox. I'm so good at rage baiting the
2:24:08
shit out of people. She does the.
2:24:10
Typical littered facial expressions like AOC where they
2:24:13
open their eyes way too wide while they talk and look insane.
2:24:16
Regular life is hard for the low IQ full of endless battles.
2:24:20
They have developed the 1000 Dixter PTSD permanently targeted
2:24:25
socialist disorder. Yeah, I did kind of notice that,
2:24:29
you see. Her desperately trying not to
2:24:31
smile or act amused this time lol.
2:24:34
Yeah, 100. Percent.
2:24:35
She could deny it all she wants. She fucking loves me.
2:24:38
We all know it. Sassy.
2:24:39
You love me, sweetheart. It's OK, you can admit it.
2:24:42
You and Cece, Nick and Candace Clavin, Brett.
2:24:47
That would be. All that would be amazing.
2:24:49
Yo, Brett. Is literally married.
2:24:52
Yeah, then why was she fucking DM ING Clav?
2:24:55
Why was she showing up to Clav? Why was she staring at him like
2:24:58
she wanted to suck his Dick? I.
2:25:01
Would smack the shit out of my wife for that.
2:25:03
So is. Candace.
2:25:06
Yeah, again, Candace is barely Candace got married to a guy she
2:25:09
met on the Zoom for two weeks. Sassy sucking on that vape box
2:25:15
is a major turn off lol. Yeah, vaping is.
2:25:20
It's gay. It's sucking a robot Dick.
2:25:24
She assumes that people who own property are rich, and yet she
2:25:27
is spending her time going to some kind of stupid March man
2:25:30
facepalming. Maybe she should go to work and
2:25:32
stop playing on the Internet. Yeah, you.
2:25:35
Don't really have to be rich to own a house, but it is way too
2:25:37
expensive. The housing market needs to come
2:25:39
down. I don't.
2:25:40
Know how a Cuban can be commie here in South Florida?
2:25:43
That is death sentence. She doesn't live in South
2:25:46
Florida. Are you saying if she lived in
2:25:51
South Florida it would be a death sentence?
2:25:56
Dude I mean like she's a woman. Women can't think well 6.
2:26:00
Hours. Are you high?
2:26:01
You lost me there. 4 hours for the first time Epstein dropped I
2:26:04
hear but this is too long. OK, I didn't fucking plan for it
2:26:09
to be that long dude. I like.
2:26:10
She texted me saying I can only come on for a bit and I was like
2:26:14
sounds good, I'll probably only be on for another hour anyway.
2:26:16
And then we ended up just talking for 4 1/2 fucking hours.
2:26:19
My bad. Suck my Dick Fidel.
2:26:21
Like it's not about you Fidel. I don't make the show for you.
2:26:27
Like, I'm glad you're a fan, but I don't make it for you.
2:26:31
What do? You think should be done to get
2:26:33
more even professors into colleges?
2:26:35
We all know how liberal they all seem to be and it's a major
2:26:38
detriment to people in their early 20s.
2:26:40
Trust me, I. Experienced it myself.
2:26:42
I I literally had a teacher fail me because I was too
2:26:45
conservative. I think you need to change the
2:26:50
pay a little bit. You definitely need to change
2:26:53
the 10 year system. You really need to gut house.
2:26:57
You really need to just change the entire education.
2:26:59
Like education needs an entire reform.
2:27:01
Maybe I'll do an episode about that next week if we got a slow
2:27:04
Newsday. But it's like from the top down.
2:27:06
You really need to change the entire education system and the
2:27:09
textbooks like like why do we have textbooks in schools?
2:27:12
They don't talk about the USS Liberty.
2:27:14
Well, why are why are textbooks? It's not really telling the
2:27:18
truth. What?
2:27:19
Why don't you hear about the Havar agreement in textbooks?
2:27:21
Why don't you hear about it like, I don't know, there's a
2:27:25
lot of Bolshevik revolution. You never hear about that in the
2:27:27
textbooks. It's it's indoctrination that's
2:27:33
the bigger problem. I hope the UFC always has a
2:27:36
right wing representative or that organization will be
2:27:39
ruined. Like what do you expect?
2:27:40
People that fight in a cage for a living, they won't have a
2:27:43
filter Like WTF? Face with tears of joy.
2:27:47
Yeah, I mean a. Lot of those guys would
2:27:48
literally be in jail for murder if they didn't have an outlet
2:27:50
like the UFC. If Dana White ever steps down as
2:27:55
the head of the UFC, the UFC is fucked.
2:27:57
You seem like you want to get serious about independent
2:28:00
journalism but you need to grow up so PIOT will take you
2:28:03
seriously. There is only going to be 1 Nick
2:28:05
Fuentes. The market can only have one.
2:28:08
Yeah, I know. I don't try and be Nick Fuentes
2:28:11
you fucking retard just because I'm a guy who does a daily talk
2:28:15
show. Like that's so retarded.
2:28:16
That's like saying like Kai Schwimmer is trying to be Nick
2:28:19
Fuentes. Like no, not everyone who
2:28:20
fucking has a daily talk show and makes jokes about the Jews
2:28:24
and women is a fucking Nick Fuentes copy.
2:28:29
I'm a huge fan of him though. But you.
2:28:32
Just sound like a seething bitch.
2:28:35
James lives in that head rent free, doesn't he?
2:28:38
Yeah, I. Do I mean I?
2:28:40
As much as every other reactionary podcaster I troll.
2:28:46
Yeah, you really got me with that troll buddy.
2:28:48
I really crashed out you. Ain't trolling no one, yeah.
2:28:52
Exactly. We got a few more comments and
2:28:55
then we're then we're done. The simping bro.
2:29:02
You need a role model called Tate or something.
2:29:06
Dude are. You retarded?
2:29:07
Do you think that was real? You're just retarded.
2:29:11
You're not going to make it. It was.
2:29:12
Epstein's property. Yeah, I know, aliens.
2:29:17
Are real, they rape our country of its resources and they come
2:29:20
from over the borders. I.
2:29:24
Agree, aliens. Are from outer space.
2:29:29
OK. Bro she roasted you hard on her
2:29:32
show. OK, like did she make another
2:29:38
episode about me? Me and her, let's see, are you
2:29:43
talking about the like, dude, she's just making fucking shitty
2:29:47
jokes. Like we literally did a reaction
2:29:49
to it on my show. I don't think she made another.
2:29:54
Yeah, she didn't make another video.
2:29:55
What are you even fucking talking about?
2:29:56
You're commenting on something that I that's just retarded.
2:30:00
Literally retarded comment. All right, that's all the
2:30:08
comments we have. Holy shit, I'm fucking tired.
2:30:10
I've been feeling out of it all fucking day.
2:30:12
I think it's just I was up too late last night because like I
2:30:14
had to finish till like 330, uploaded the show and then I
2:30:20
like I had to upload it to Spotify.
2:30:21
All the other platforms do comments and shit like that.
2:30:27
I really didn't get to bed till like 5:45 and then I had to be
2:30:30
up. I don't know, I didn't sleep a
2:30:33
lot, so I'll be we'll have a lot more of an energetic show on
2:30:36
Monday. I'm just, like I said, I'm
2:30:38
fucking exhausted. That's.
2:30:41
Been the entire show for the day.
2:30:43
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2:31:02
a great weekend. Please don't drink and drive,
2:31:03
but if you do, remember to call your lawyers first.
2:31:05
I will see you guys on Monday. Maybe we do a stream this week.
2:31:09
A gaming stream on Kik this weekend probably wouldn't upload
2:31:11
it to, maybe I'd uploaded Spotify, I don't know.
2:31:13
I don't know if I uploaded a gaming stream to Spotify if
2:31:16
anyone would actually fucking watch it.
2:31:17
That's the thing. Maybe let me know in the
2:31:20
comments. Would you guys watch gaming
2:31:22
streams if I put them up over the weekend on Spotify?
2:31:25
Like it makes sense when I'm doing them live like if I'm
2:31:27
doing like a kick stream and I'm playing, you know, Fortnite or
2:31:30
Madden or whatever, like that kind of makes sense, but would
2:31:33
it still make sense to upload that to Spotify?
2:31:35
Let me, let me guys, jeez, I cannot fucking speak.
2:31:39
Let me know what you guys think. Holy shit.
2:31:41
Like I said, I'm fucking exhausted.
2:31:43
You guys can probably tell. But thank you guys for tuning in
2:31:46
and I will see you guys again on Monday.
2:31:49
Have a great weekend.