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The Best Modern Day NFL Conspiracies · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Winter Insurance that I'm true. I'm a checktut with insurance. Gee.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm your
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  Speaker 2: host Adam Todd Brown joining me as guest co host
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  Speaker 2: this week, Logan Trent is here.
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  Speaker 3: How's it going, man?
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  Speaker 1: Not bad?
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  Speaker 3: I am fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Or is it just what they want you to believe?
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  Speaker 3: Right? Exactly?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm fantastic because I have the tin foil hat
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  Speaker 2: on and it's blocking all of the gamma rays. It's
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  Speaker 2: also why I painted my house with lead paint.
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  Speaker 3: Last week.
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  Speaker 1: I contemplating grabbing some tinfoil and putting it on top
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  Speaker 1: of the bear's hat as it choke, but I was
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  Speaker 1: just like, no, that's too much work, not doing it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've toyed with the idea of doing a tin
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  Speaker 2: hat thing in videos and same thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, now, I'm surprised that there hasn't been like
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  Speaker 1: somebody who just tried to do like a new era
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  Speaker 1: style like tinfoil just flat brim fitted hat.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that I would wear.
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  Speaker 1: That would be fantastic. Yeah, it'd be like the before
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  Speaker 1: we start with the NFL, did you see that Detroit
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  Speaker 1: Lions fan who was wearing the cheese, greater hat against
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  Speaker 1: the Packers fantastics.
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  Speaker 3: Very fun.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe it took that long for someone to
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  Speaker 1: think about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really good for people who are unaware. Logan
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  Speaker 2: is my co host on a podcast called w Nbyay,
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  Speaker 2: which is about women's sports. You can listen to it
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  Speaker 2: literally wherever podcasts are at, so you should go do that.
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  Speaker 2: And as for this week's episode, we got an election happening,
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  Speaker 2: So of course we're talking about NFL conspiracies because here's
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  Speaker 2: the thing. We're going to be talking about this election
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  Speaker 2: at least until January, probably for decades after, because it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be chaos.
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  Speaker 3: So this week I don't have it in me anymore
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  Speaker 3: to talk election stuff, so we're talking football instead.
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  Speaker 1: Tomorrow's going to be very exhausting.
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  Speaker 2: It sure is, and not just because the NFL trade
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  Speaker 2: deadline is at something like four pm Eastern time.
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  Speaker 1: Fantastic idea for the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: Good timing is that going to distract from election news
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  Speaker 3: probably the United States. They will cut into announcing states
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  Speaker 3: going for one candidate or another, to tell us Cooper
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  Speaker 3: Cup plays for the Washington Commanders.
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  Speaker 1: Now Ohio's gone here and in other news. Miles Garrett is, OHI.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of going to Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, wells Garrett's going to Las Vegas where we
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  Speaker 1: have results. Yeah, it's gonna be really great. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'll have to set up two TVs, I think, so
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  Speaker 2: I can monitor trade deadline in the election both, just
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  Speaker 2: like when there's tennis and football on at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: Should make Scheffler pull double duty and just have to
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  Speaker 1: go back and forth between NFL news and political stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he should have to break a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: politics news too.
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  Speaker 1: This is why Wojes dropped out.
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  Speaker 2: So we're talking about a bunch of different NFL related conspiracies.
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  Speaker 2: We were just gonna talk about this first one. But
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  Speaker 2: the problem is it's so dumb. There is no way
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  Speaker 2: we could make an entire episode out of the Super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl logo conspiracy. This is the epitome of a coincidence.
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  Speaker 2: And people who listen to this podcast know I have
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  Speaker 2: feelings about coincidences and how we never accept them in
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  Speaker 2: true crime, but always accept that something's a coincidence when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to conspiracy stuff. So you know how I
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  Speaker 2: feel about the word coincidence. This is a fucking coincidence.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing else to this.
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  Speaker 1: Once you explain this theory, I'll add something in there
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  Speaker 1: because there's a part of it that I love, which
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  Speaker 1: is it's easily setting itself up for perpetual stupidity because
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  Speaker 1: there's so many choose your adventure outcomes. So let's explain this.
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  Speaker 2: The logo for super Bowl fifty nine has been released.
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  Speaker 2: It is red and lime green, which of course means
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  Speaker 2: the Chiefs are going to play the Seahawks in the
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  Speaker 2: super Bowl this year, which, oh boy, does that seem
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  Speaker 2: improbable at least one half of that. But according to
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  Speaker 2: the super Bowl Logo conspiracy, the colors in the super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl logo, which it comes out way, way way before
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  Speaker 2: the participants are decided, the colors of the logo will
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  Speaker 2: tell you what teams are going to be participating in
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  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl logan.
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  Speaker 1: I like that This starts with according to Aaron Rodgers,
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  Speaker 1: which is, you know, just a great way to start
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  Speaker 1: a very smart and intelligent, well thought out conversation. And
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  Speaker 1: then it follows up with my second favorite part of
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  Speaker 1: that equation, which is according to Aaron Rodgers on the
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  Speaker 1: Pat McAfee show. So you know, we're just gonna be
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  Speaker 1: dealing with some well thought out in reasoned positions here.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, back in January, and Aaron Rodgers didn't come
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  Speaker 2: up with this theory, but of course he is the
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  Speaker 2: only athlete to like legitimately push it on TV.
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  Speaker 1: He did his own research.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, keep an open mind. Lee's.
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  Speaker 2: Back in January, when the Jets still had a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of hope left for the season because it hadn't Stopedar,
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  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers went on the Pat McAfee show and said
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  Speaker 2: this quote, if the Super Bowl was Baltimore and San
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  Speaker 2: fran then I tell you what, that Super Bowl fifty
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  Speaker 2: nine emblem better have jet green on it.
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  Speaker 3: End quote.
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  Speaker 2: And Pat McAfee was like, what what the fuck you
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  Speaker 2: talking about? Paraphrasing, and Rogers added, just look.
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  Speaker 3: At the colors. Look at the colors.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's the first time that Aaron Rodgers
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  Speaker 1: has ever said that, look at those colors. Look at
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  Speaker 1: those colors.
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  Speaker 3: Like probably not.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The reason people have started saying this, this is why
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  Speaker 2: this is a coincidence. It's happened twice. There was Super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl fifty six, colors were orange and yellow, and the
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  Speaker 2: Bengals played the Rams, which even then tying yellow to
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  Speaker 2: the Rams that's questionable, and I think that that's probably
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  Speaker 2: what you're getting at with to choose your own adventure thing,
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  Speaker 2: because yeah, well that could be Steelers rams Chargers some fucking.
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  Speaker 1: It gets even worse when we do on the next
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  Speaker 1: one too, because yeah, after that, it was green and red,
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  Speaker 1: which of course meant the Chiefs were going to beat
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles, which is what he was saying with like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: these logos and stuff. There's a couple of problems here. One,
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  Speaker 1: before that Super Bowl, there's like a six year period
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  Speaker 1: where it's just a silver logo with a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of maybe blue or something else because there were no
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  Speaker 1: color things like that. This is a recent thing where
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  Speaker 1: they started doing like color scheming on that. Secondly, there's
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  Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen teams that have red as their logo.
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  Speaker 1: There's a bunch that have green as their logo, even
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  Speaker 1: with the orange. The Bears have orange on their logo.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pointing at it right now on my hat. So
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  Speaker 1: there's that. And also, furthermore, teams have secondary and tertiary colors,
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  Speaker 1: like the Bears are navy and orange, so the Chiefs
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  Speaker 1: colors are red, yellow or gold and white. So because
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  Speaker 1: every team again has a first primary color, a secondary color,
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  Speaker 1: and a tertiary color. So you've got multiple pick and choose,
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  Speaker 1: mix and match options that you have on this, which
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  Speaker 1: is why this is a great dumb person's conspiracy, because
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  Speaker 1: it just always leaves you something where you're like, oh, no,
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  Speaker 1: well they meant this, well, then then they met this, Well,
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  Speaker 1: then they met this. It's just a choose your adventure
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  Speaker 1: of idiocy, which is again why it found its way
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  Speaker 1: up Aaron Rodgers's I don't want to say brainstem because
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  Speaker 1: that might be missing at this book.
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  Speaker 3: That's probably shriveled up by now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason Aaron Rodgers in that Pat McAfee clip
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  Speaker 2: brings up the Ravens and the Niners is because the
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  Speaker 2: logo for Super Bowl fifty eight was purple and red,
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  Speaker 2: which are the team colors of the Ravens and Niners, respectively.
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  Speaker 3: And even then Niners Minnesota red. That's a little more
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  Speaker 3: of a maroon to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But also that's where the problem really starts with this theory,
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  Speaker 3: because the Super Bowl was not the Ravens in the
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  Speaker 3: Niners last year. It's the Chiefs in the Niners.
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  Speaker 2: But I think logan you know what that means It
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  Speaker 2: just means the NFL realized everyone was onto their plot,
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  Speaker 2: so they flipped the results to like throw people off
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  Speaker 2: the scent. Obviously, that is actually a part of this conspiracy,
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  Speaker 2: is that now that people are onto it, the NFL
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  Speaker 2: flipped it.
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  Speaker 3: So the Ravens didn't go to the Super Bowl last.
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  Speaker 1: Year, love if you follow the timeline, So that means
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  Speaker 1: that the NFL decided to start this conspiracy three super
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  Speaker 1: bowls ago, and then just midway through that they were like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: now this is too much. We gotta They're already on
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  Speaker 1: to us. So that's how great they were planning this
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  Speaker 1: out and they immediately pivoted that and then no one
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  Speaker 1: still gives us the answer as to why they would
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  Speaker 1: do this.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That is typically how a gigantic entity with endless amounts
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  Speaker 2: of money gets found out when they're up to no good.
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  Speaker 3: Is there's one or two TikTok videos and they're like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, Jesus, you got us, fine, Ravens aren't going
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  Speaker 3: to the super Bowl. Now you're happy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And also that's a big question to ask with any conspiracy.
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  Speaker 3: Is why why if the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: Was scripted, which is what we're going to talk about next.
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  Speaker 2: Why would they put clues out there that it's scripted.
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  Speaker 2: Is this like a rogue graphic designer who's trying to
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  Speaker 2: bring everything down from the inside, And if so, why
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  Speaker 2: does he know who's going to be in the Super Bowl?
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  Speaker 3: He's a fucking graphic designer.
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  Speaker 1: Also, out of the Orange teams, you could have picked
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  Speaker 1: the Bengals, because you know that's who's going to get
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  Speaker 1: the ratings. There, not your third biggest market of Chicago,
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  Speaker 1: or even Miami where you have a ton of Florida
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  Speaker 1: support and a huge fan base, or even Denver, who
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of people love from the Lway era. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's the fucking Bengals.
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  Speaker 2: Denver, statistically speaking, is the actual America's team.
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  Speaker 3: So I yeah, it would be Denver something.
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  Speaker 1: It's its date. We could have a Super Bowl between
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles and Chicago. Who would want to watch that?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. No, no, no, no, we gotta go Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 1: We need the skyline Chili man, we gotta have those shots.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. That is such a dumb idea.
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  Speaker 2: It reminds me of a conspiracy I didn't even put
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  Speaker 2: on here because it's even stupider than this, which is
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  Speaker 2: that the NFL rigged the two thousand and one season's
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  Speaker 2: Super Bowl, which we've been played in two thousand and
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  Speaker 2: two because the Patriots winning after nine to eleven was
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  Speaker 2: a nice mashup of you know, patriotism and yeah, you
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  Speaker 2: know what the country had gone through, and it's like, motherfucker,
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  Speaker 2: they would have rigged it for a New York team
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  Speaker 2: if that was gonna be the gayest.
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  Speaker 1: I love that that happens because that World Series right
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  Speaker 1: before that was the Yankees and the fucking Arizona Diamondbacks,
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  Speaker 1: and the Diamondbacks beat the shit out of the Yankees
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  Speaker 1: behind Randy Johnson in Future Galaxy. Brainer. Fuck, I'm blanking
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  Speaker 1: on him, bloody sock hurt shilling. Yep, yeah, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. MLB just stood by and watched that fucking happen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, no, we're not going to do this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah no, fuck the Yankees.
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  Speaker 2: But the NFL did rig the Super Bowl for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 3: That's God, that's dumb.
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  Speaker 2: But that is a really common conspiracy about the NFL
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  Speaker 2: these days, also, which is that it's scripted.
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  Speaker 1: I think that one of the things to remember before
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  Speaker 1: we go any further with these conspiracies is that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times these are brought up by some players
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  Speaker 1: and most of them have CTE. Yeah, take it as
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  Speaker 1: you will.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the NFL. All you have to do is watch
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  Speaker 2: that Ravens Bengals game to know that it wasn't scripted.
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  Speaker 2: The Ravens were so close winning that fucking game, and
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  Speaker 2: they were like a fumble away from winning that game.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, the idea that the NFL would engineer anything
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  Speaker 2: for the Bengals.
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  Speaker 3: No one wants to watch the fuck.
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  Speaker 1: Again the Bengals.
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  Speaker 2: But that was when the logo thing turned out not
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  Speaker 2: to be true. That's what was next. People were like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 2: the NFL scripted that AFC Championship game, So then people
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  Speaker 2: weren't on their tail anymore. This is a quote from
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  Speaker 2: one of the millions of Twitter users out there. Those
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  Speaker 2: games are purely entertainment, and the NFL gets every matchup
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  Speaker 2: they want. Players don't have a choice. They're athletic actors
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  Speaker 2: making millions keeping secrets.
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  Speaker 3: End quote.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so here it goes to another level of just
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  Speaker 1: how stupid this is. I'm going to go to pro wrestling.
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  Speaker 1: Pro wrestling is predetermined outcomes between two people, and maybe
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  Speaker 1: it involves a producer and like a booker and something
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  Speaker 1: like that. Even that gets leaked out and you find
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  Speaker 1: shit all over the internet by so called journalists who
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  Speaker 1: are usually just dudes, are hanging out by fucking merch
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  Speaker 1: tables next to a fucking garbage can filled with stale
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  Speaker 1: nachos and beer cans. So the idea that like two
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  Speaker 1: fifty three man rosters each week are getting scripts that
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  Speaker 1: they have to execute with coaches, and not one person
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  Speaker 1: considering that we have the Antonio Browns of the world,
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  Speaker 1: are like, oh, yeah, no, no, they told me to
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  Speaker 1: do that.
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  Speaker 2: Shit Like, yeah, I've seen players reference it and they've
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  Speaker 2: always been joking. I saw a guy tweet about how
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  Speaker 2: he gave up two touchdowns.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah it was the script.
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  Speaker 1: What was the script part where Henry Ruggins killed a
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  Speaker 1: woman doing a duhi and derailed the fucking Raiders season
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  Speaker 1: by that it is now in jail? Yeah, is that
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  Speaker 1: part of the script.
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  Speaker 3: Who wrote that Damar Hamlin storyline?
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  Speaker 1: I would have loved to see Ricky Pearsoll's face when
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  Speaker 1: he's like, oh, yeah, you're gonna get shot what Yeah, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's cool, You'll be fine that they won't hit Organs.
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  Speaker 1: But I still have to get shot.
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  Speaker 2: I saw a tweet a couple of weeks ago that
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  Speaker 2: just said the forty nine ers healthiest wide receiver was
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  Speaker 2: shot in the chest.
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  Speaker 3: Two months ago.
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  Speaker 4: And that's accurate, very accurate. Yeah, which that's is that
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  Speaker 4: part of the script because here's the thing. Of all
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  Speaker 4: the sports to script, I feel like the NFL would
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  Speaker 4: be the absolute most difficult.
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  Speaker 3: There's so much happening. It's hard for players to remember
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  Speaker 3: what's going on without a goddamn script.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like somebody, because you're a writer, I'm a writer,
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  Speaker 1: we understand that there's processes that go with this where
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  Speaker 1: you do something and then someone's like, hey, can I
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  Speaker 1: read that? Okay, here's some notes, maybe adjust this, and
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  Speaker 1: then you're like, okay, fine, I want to see what
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  Speaker 1: notes led to the Deshaun Watson story arc that we
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  Speaker 1: had the past two years because Jesus Christ, and.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, is it off the field stuff? Is that being
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  Speaker 2: scripted too? Or is it just the games? And also
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  Speaker 2: think about south Park. South Park has to cut a
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  Speaker 2: lot of corners to turn those episodes around as fast
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  Speaker 2: as they do. And granted it's a small writer's room,
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  Speaker 2: so it makes sense that they'd have to put some
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  Speaker 2: limitations on themselves. We're talking about a league where there's
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  Speaker 2: what fifteen to eighteen games a week, and you're telling
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  Speaker 2: me they're scripting every one of those fucking games out
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  Speaker 2: every week, even if they're doing it in the off season.
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  Speaker 2: That is such an intense amount of writing. And we
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  Speaker 2: don't know a single writer. This conspiracy would have you
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  Speaker 2: believe one dude writes all the scripts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what what?
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  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: The Game of thron skies mailed in the last season
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  Speaker 1: because they couldn't copy off the books anymore. And we're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we'll go. HBO offered millions of dollars to like, no,
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  Speaker 1: we can do more episodes. They're like, no, no, we're done.
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  Speaker 1: So you're expecting one fucking dude in front of his
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  Speaker 1: keyboard just writing out every single storyline for all of
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  Speaker 1: these and then remembering, oh shit, I haven't used the
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  Speaker 1: third tight end from Jacksonville. Let's have him get a touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: You haven't thought about that this year?
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  Speaker 3: Like yeah, it's not like how would you account for
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  Speaker 3: injuries all of that?
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  Speaker 1: It makes how do you account for like, let like,
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  Speaker 1: how do you account for the shitty hail Mary that
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  Speaker 1: ruined our Bears game last week, Like.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's not sugarcoated. It probably ruined our season, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the game definitely, Yeah, you can't. I mean, granted, that
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  Speaker 2: would be a very funny storyline Tyreek Stevenson waving to
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  Speaker 2: the crowd as the play starts and then being the
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  Speaker 2: one to deflect the ball to the receiver who caught
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  Speaker 2: it in the end zone. You can't make that up.
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  Speaker 2: No one would believe it.
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  Speaker 1: Especially. The reason I thought that that hail Mary was
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  Speaker 1: going to succeed was because I was jokingly like, they
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  Speaker 1: showed the Caleb one earlier, So poetic justice is just
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  Speaker 1: us losing out of hail Mary. I didn't just say
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  Speaker 1: she scripted, Like no, that's just how life works. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: weird shit happens like that.
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  Speaker 2: Broadly, Yeah, yeah, And what would be scripted about that
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  Speaker 2: they want? I don't think the NFL gives if anything,
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  Speaker 2: the NFL is gonna want that Chicago market to succeed
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  Speaker 2: more because it's a way bigger market. So if they
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  Speaker 2: were gonna script anything, they would script it in the
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  Speaker 2: Bear's favor in that situation.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: But also, they don't script the fucking games.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Now. The examples that they use here are fucking incredible.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's one where it's a TikTok video and it's
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: just video of the Bills missing a field goal and
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: this guy is like, wind wasn't a factor that day,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: so nothing should have altered that kick except magnetics, and
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, we sure are on TikTok because you're
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: not gonna give me even a bit of evidence the
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: back end.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Do you know how hard it is to kick a
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: fucking football through it up right that far, just even
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: in good conditions. There's a reason that they're paid millions
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: of dollars to do that. It's an objectively hard thing
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: And also there is a very similar sort of scandal
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: unfolding in the Canadian Football League where because everyone needs
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: advanced stats and metrics so bad, they've started putting sensors
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: inside the kicking balls get like speed off the foot
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: in shit that no one cares about except people who
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: gamble on sports.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: And immediately the kickers were like, this sucks. We can
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: feel it.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: We can feel this thing in here, and that's why
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: we're missing more kicks this season than usual.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: If you put a.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Big ass fucking magnet inside a football, every kicker is
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: gonna be like, pause, what's going on? Why is this
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: thing five pounds heavier than it needs to be.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I love that there's always some like basic science thing
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: that just gets mystified in these stupid things. It's always,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, magnets, that's not how magnets work, broke, Oh yeah, lasers.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: How could lasers change someone's face to look like another human? Man?
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: You know, that's just what lasers do. You know, Like
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: it's a lot of comic book logic, but in the
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: dumbest way possible.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: I tell you one that I do kind of believe
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: is that the Bill's famous wide right kick. I think
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: it was their first or second Super Bowl of the
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: four in a row that they lost, was impacted because
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: there was a helicopter hovering over the goalposts at the time.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Because it was right after the Gulf War start and
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: we acted like Iraq was gonna come attack the fucking
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: super Bowl, they.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Took precautions in that Hulk Hogan WrestleMania match to make
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: sure he wasn't gone down. I remember that. Oh my god, I.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Want to fucking show that war was Jesus.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was fun for me too, being Rocky.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Bet I bet probably lots of good memories of that.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Oh call four trading cards. Can I tell you that
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I went to school next to a Navy base?
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Fine? One of the articles we'll linked to.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I love this detail because people are out there willing
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: to believe that NFL games are scripted. There are also
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: people out there willing to separate those believers from their
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: money based on this. And here's the thing. This is
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: the kind of grifting that I don't care about that.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, you're putting in work on this one,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: so it's like, okay, I respect the hustle you're trying. Yeah.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: So what's going on is there's a site called spreadseer
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: and that's obviously not the URL.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: You'll have to google it if you care that much.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: And for the lo low price of fifty dollars a
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: month five zero ten dollars times five per month, they
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: will help you better place bets on football because they
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: have access to the scripts.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Here's a quote from their website. We believe that behind
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: every game there's a hidden script waiting to be deciphered.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: If you've ever felt like there's more to sports than
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: meets the eye, you're not alone. Get ready to elevate
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: your game and make strategic bets based on these scripted games.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: End quote.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: If you're dumb enough to give these motherfuckers fifty dollars
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: a month, good for them for getting that fifty dollars
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: from you.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's a lot of gambling shit that I hate
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: about it's involved with sports. But this stuff is funny
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: as well. There's this Twitter account that does Zodiac GM
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: where they just do all the zodiac symbols for different
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: teams and tries to align the auras of whether they'll
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: win or not. It's just a very entertaining feed. But like, yeah,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: if you're giving money to them, you're just dumb. It's
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: as dumb as gambling on sports.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I at least hope you're dumb with enough
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: money that you can afford that, yeah, as opposed to
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: just being dumb and desperate enough that you think you've
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: on the key to unlocking the NFL scripts.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: And this is coming from someone who made most of
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: their high school money gambling on sports. So it's just
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: sports gambling has gotten so stupid. I did I think
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I set you that tweet with KD yelling at the
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: gambling I don't give a shit about your fucking whatever,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: just yeah the best.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, I did see that NBA has asked
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I believe most states to not allow prop bets on
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: two way players who are going back and forth between
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: the G League. And it's like, that makes a whole
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: lot of sense, because here's the thing people probably don't
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: know about sports gambling. Tennis is one of the most
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: gambled on sports in the world.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Oh that sounds about right.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's also incredibly easy to fix. And the
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: level they do it at isn't like the big matches.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: It's not fucking Carlos Alcarez Row in the US Open.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: It's all these they call them challenger tournaments, which are
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: like the minor leagues of tennis essentially, and those players
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: are not making that much money. So and as far
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: as sports that it would be easy to like, oh
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: you missed that shot?
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: That why did you miss that shot?
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Because tennis players miss a lot of fucking shots, and
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: it's not unusual at all for even the really great
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: players to lose like six games in a row in
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: the middle of the match. So it makes sense that
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: dat's who would get targeted. Djokovic even said he at
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: the challenger level was approached by a gambler.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: It's also a lot easier to fix a thing when
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: you're the only fucking athlete. Yeah, you don't have fifty
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: two other teammates that you have to figure out how
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: to do this with in order to get this thing going. Also,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: apparently you have a fucking on staff magnet guy, which
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I don't even know how much that dude's getting paid, Like, oh, yeah,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: you know, the Bears have hired a new head of
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: magnets this season. We'll see how that goes.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: And with stuff like this, I don't always buy the
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: idea that, oh, someone would come out and talk, someone
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: would say something like it depends on how many people
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: would be involved.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: This would involve so many people.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: It involved everybody.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: And also, are you telling me this is scripted? But
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: college football isn't. So at some point, there's like that
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: thing that must happen with every president where they sit
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: them down and are like, all right.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Look through this book.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: This is the shit you tell anyone you die, will
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: kill you if you tell anyone. This is that happening
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: with every NFL player, and not a single one in
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: history after their career was over, was like, hey, guess
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: what NFL scripted? None, No, disgruntled again Antonio Brown. No,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: if Antonio Brown doesn't think the NFL scripted, it's not.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I'll give you just even a crazier example from Antonio Brown,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: and it's one that OJ. You think OJ wouldn't have
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: fucking shared that shit? Fucking OJ, He's gonna keep tight
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: lipped on that motherfucker wrote a book If I did
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: it about a double homicide and he tried to sell that,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: You think he's not gonna fucking spoil, Like, oh, yeah, no,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: they asked me to do this in nineteen seventy three. No, absolutely, so.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Many players, so many disgruntled former players, players who like
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: never won a super Bowl. Would be like, I'll tell
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: you why I didn't want a super Bowl.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: What's the number of players that get a second contract
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: in the NFL? Like you're telling me that some undrafted
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: running back from fucking Central Illinois is not going to
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: be dropping dimes just to fucking get a job.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Like, come on, can you imagine being Cody Parky reading
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: that script before the game? You have to hit the
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: uprights four times in a row.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: That's so hard to do.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Once, I will say, whoever did the Magnets on that one.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: They deserve to raise because double joinking that. That's another
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: example of me calling out something because as soon as
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: he hit that first one and I saw they called
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: a time out, Like, oh, he's joinking this, we're losing.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I immediately accepted that fact before he kicked that field goal. Again,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: not scripted, you can just tell sometimes yeah.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The only time I've had that feeling in reverse
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: about Chicago sports is Game seven of the twenty sixteen
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: World Series. When that rain delay happened. I was like, Oh,
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: the Cubs are gonna win.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: That's the exact same thing that happened there. I was like,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: wait raindlay. Oh yeah, I was.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Like, wait to raindelay. But it's good for us. Yeah,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: this is different. This feels different.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: So did Alex Smith get told when they pitched it
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: to him that he would have a fucking infection in
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: his broken leg that would almost kill him? Or was
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: that like in second round writings when he was already
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: undergoing surgery.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I would freak out just reading the broken leg part.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Oh man Romeo Cournell's face when he was the coach
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: of the Chiefs and that one player showed up to
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: the practice thing and then blew his brains out in
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: the fucking parking lot while he begged him not to
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: shoot himself. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was a tense
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: time during the plotting sectionon for that.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: It was a very special episode of the NFL.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: H Yeah, yeah, Dak Prescott breaking that ankle about that
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: one in the script?
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Holy shit?
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: But I think we can agree that this next thing
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: obviously scripted. Oh yeah, let's talk about the Travis Kelcey
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Taylor Swift breakup contract. I want this to be true
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: because it would be funny in about a thousand different ways.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: But back in September, a document started circulating online that
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: was alleged to be a contract regarding Travis Kelcey's relationship
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: with Taylor Swift.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: It was called.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Comprehensive Media Plan for Travis Kelcey's relations following break up
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: with Taylor Swift.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Because you know, that's what you always do with your documents.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: You put the entire summary as the title of the
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: whole thing and make it ten words long.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you want to leave a paper trail if
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: you're trying to pull off Shenanigan's left.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, that's how we found out the
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: truth about JFK was the assassination attempt about JFK by
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: the CIA and by Cuba and by Ronald McDonald and
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: by Ted Cruise's dad, whose name I don't remember right now.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it was just a very clearly laid out
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: plan in the title.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, that's how it always works. Yeah, you put
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: your logo on it. You're definitely gonna want to put
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: your logo on it, like this company did, and all
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: things that are true and credible. This was uploaded to
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Reddit by an anonymous user, which that right there, there's
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: some media outlet in this country that would have taken
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: this fucking story. Yeah, there's no way this would just
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: end up on Reddit, so there's that part. Misuser page
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: was immediately deleted after the document started going viral. Nothing
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: suspicious about that. And yeah, the PR agency in question
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: issued a statement, it's a full scope PR These documents
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: are entirely false and fabricated and were not created, issued,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: or authorized by this agency end quote. It would be
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: funny if this is real, but there would be no
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: reason for this. This would be really risky for one thing,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: because what if the two of them, you know, connected
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: during this and didn't want to break up. Then you
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: got to kill one of them, right, I know how
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: movies work.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: So on Reddit, this was presented by an NFL person.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Correct, I don't think it was like an NFL player.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: No, I'm saying like the person was like an NFL
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: fan or it was on like an NFL section of Reddit.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: This is a clear example of someone not knowing who
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: they're fucking with because they're dumb. What at earth would
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Taylor Swift ask a boyfriend decide any of this shit?
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: She would get another album out of a fucking whole
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: relationship with Travis kelce This is her bread and butter.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: If anything, she'd be like, I want you to be
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: the dumbest, hottest mess if I dump your ass because
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I will make bank off of this. No, you think
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: that she gives a shit. If Travis Kelcey starts crying
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: on Instagram because he broke up with Taylor Swift and
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: like an No, that's a fucking platinum record right there.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Taylor knows Taylor's business. This is just dumb NFL fans. Again,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: you have no idea who you're dealing with.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've seen the Taylor Swift scooter Braun documentary.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I don't put a high level of planning past Taylor Swifts,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: but again, to what end?
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: I think the theory was that they were trying to
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: influence the election?
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Oh there we go?
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what the fuck are you talking about?
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: What's the anonymous reddit poster and a Rogers on reddit
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: because that seems like something that would be here.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: And even the idea that oh it's just he are
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: which one of them needs more attention because Travis Kelcey
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: was also getting a shit ton of attention well before this.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like he was already. Travis kelce doesn't have the
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: pull to be bringing in I need Taylor to do
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: this for me, Like, fuck you, little boy?
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, why'm the fuck would Taylor Swift agree to? This
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: makes no sense.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: It's like all those times when you saw again, like
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: because NFL fans don't understand the level of fame for
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: like other people, Like all those times that people were
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: talking about, Oh well, Giselle is gonna be upset that
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: she's divorcing Tom Brady. It's like Gizelle could buy and
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: sell Tom Brady's ass five times over eighty eight. She
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: makes so much more money than he does. Yeah, Sae she.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Makes so much more money, She is so much more famous.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Yet Tom Brady in the big scheme of things, tom
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Brady's not fucking close to being his fans, is Giselle Bunchin?
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so like the idea that, like Travis Kelcey would
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: be like, hey, Taylor, we need to do this for
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: pr reasons and Taylor would be like, who the fuck
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: are you?
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: And yeah, like what would be her aim in this especially?
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: It makes no sense she has to pal around with
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: a bunch of Trump supporters, doubt that switch.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: What does she gain? It's Travis kelce He's not bringing
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: a lot to the table.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she signed a contract to alienate a bunch of
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: her fans.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, that's and you have to make sure that
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: your fans start to learn three and outs and all
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: of this stuff. Because Swifties have definitely been learning about football,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: which has been amazing. I love watching them on Twitter
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: with that because a lot of their takes are well
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: more reasoned than several NFL peoples, because again they're not crazy,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: well not crazy and specific sports.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: But yeah, sidebar, did you see the Jason kelce cell
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: phone video?
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm just gonna say what pretty much every
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: like former player and a lot of other people have said,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: just motherfucker's getting too comfortable to just say shit out
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: loud that they think that they can get away with that.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: They right online, what do you think was gonna happen?
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I feel like not enough people have seen the second
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: part of that video because it what happened in that
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: instance reminds me a lot of when nine to eleven happened,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: and there was all this like goodwill toward the United
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: States and then we just fucked it up by invading.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: The wrong countries.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Jason Kelcey immediately after walking away with that kid's phone,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: the kid walks up to him to get his phone back,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: and Jason.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: Kelsey says, you're the f slur.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: So Jason Kelsey turns round and like when I first
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: saw that video, I was like, fuck yeah, And then
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: I saw that second part and was like, oh, fuck
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: you too, damn it. Yeah, no, nah no, it's just
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Usso I'm not surprised to hear Jason Kelcey used that word.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: He a fucking professional football player, he's super fucking white,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: he's from Ohio.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: He didn't play in the w NBA let's put it
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: like that. Yeah. Also, I love that the insult is
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: your brother's an F for slur for dating Taylor Swift. Yeah,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: gay to have a girlfriend. Well, I mean in some
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: cases yes, if you're also a woman, then yes, that
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: would absolutely be gay. That's literally like what a lesbian
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: is definition.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yea yeah, yeah yeah no, but yeah in this case, yeah,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: what a weird You just wanted to call him that
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: word and couldn't think of a good reason too.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it reminds me of like I forgot one
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: time when I was a little kid, I called my
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: uncle and my dad both idiots because they were arguing,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: and one of them called the other a motherfucker, And
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like, are you stupid? That's both my grandma and
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: they're just paused and they're like, yeah they realized what
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: they just said. It's so dumb. Fun times with that.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I did not actually see the second
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: part where he dropped that F slur, but again not
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: surprised if you were to tell me that he had,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: so yeah, see if they talk about that on the podcast. Also,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I feel if Taylor Swift had any type of contractual
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: stuff in there, I think there would be a section
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: of your brother can't drop homophobic slurs. I have a
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: fan base to do this.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Next one, I can slip an extra Taylor Swift conspiracy
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: in here. I don't know if I've run this past you.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: I know I've said it on a few podcasts, but
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I've never done a full episode. This next story is
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: about Jimmy Hoffa. Oh yeah, Taylor Hoffa former his niece.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Head what I was just joking.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I was saying, Taylor Haffa is his niece since she
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: canted it to Swift.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: You know, I have a unprovable theory. I'd probably have
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: to like freedom of information after quest some shit. But
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: I have a feeling in my gut that when Taylor
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Swift gave those huge bonus checks to all of her
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: truck drivers, I think the teamsters might have kind of
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: strong armed her into doing that, because what was happening
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: in LA at that time was a hotel workers strike
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: yea and the teamsters. Well, for one thing, the hotel
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: workers called on Taylor Swift to cancel her shows out
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: of solidarity, and she like didn't even reply. The teamsters, meanwhile,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: were refusing to cross picket lines in LA to make
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: deliveries where workers were striking. Is it that improbable that
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: someone from the Teamsters could have gone to Taylor Swift
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: and been like, Oh, you don't want to stand.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: With hotel workers, but we might.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Now, how do you get all your shit to LA
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: for these five shows on the Era's tour. It would
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: absolutely be worth her fucking time, money, everything to be like,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: you're right, how's two hunt because two hundred and fifty
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars per driver that is howbody drivers.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: It was like ten to twelve.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I think that's nothing for her.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: I know it's nothing for her, but when like it
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: is weird fucking timing.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: No, no, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: if you present, if the Teamsters went up to her
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: and presented that option of do you want your shit
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: where it needs to be? Give us that, she'd be like, oh, yeah, no,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: the math works out. Just yeah, fucking paym I don't
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: give it. Like that's one of those things that I
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: don't even think would get to Taylor. I think, just
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: like somebody in her logistics thing would be like, this
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: isn't even worth her fucking time. Just fucking give him
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the two mill or whatever. It's like, yeah, yeah, we'll
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: make that back in revenue from just sales for like
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: T shirts that week. It's just sometimes there's shit that's
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: gonna get to the boss's table, and that one just
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: feels like something where they'd just be like, what's it
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: gonna take to get this done? This done?
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I kind of hope that's what happened.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: It'd be but yeah, no, that doesn't seem too crazy.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: That seems completely like logical, especially dealing with like logistics
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: like that with teamsters and just shipping and stuff like that.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: So yeah, but now let's talk about the actual story,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: which is it's about Jimmy Hoffa. So I know a
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: lot of people out there, if you're even a little
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: bit in the know when it comes to the NFL
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: and Jimmy Hoffa both, I know what you're thinking, Oh,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: we're going to talk about the theory that he's buried
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: under the meadowlands where the Giants and the Jets.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Play No no, no, no no.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Might have been at some point, and we did just
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: talk about it. So there's that. But against all odds,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: there is another NFL stadium that people think Jimmy Hoffa
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: might be buried under And when I say that, I
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: mean former NFL stadium, Milwaukee County Stadium where the Green
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Bay Packers I think played one game a season for
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: a long time.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: I think it was only one, might have been two games.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So the city.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Folk could get in on the fun. And an outfit
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: called the case Breakers, who are early Yeah, a group
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: of Internet sleuths who look into cold cases. They think
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Jimmy Hoffa might be buried where Milwaukee County Stadium used
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: to be.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: It's not there anymore.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: They believe his remains were moved to Milwaukee County Stadium
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety five. And the thing they're basing this
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: on is interesting. There is a sergeant, Harold Walters, who
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: worked in the area and he gave a playing card
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: to his niece a year before he died in nineteen
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: ninety six. It is an as of Spades card, and
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: he gave it to her and said, if something happens
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: to me, you'll know what to do.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: This card, as it turns out, has Jimmy Hoffa's name
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: written on it. A Chicago mafia don named joey Ayupa's
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: name is written on it and the words third base
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Milwaukee County Stadium is written on it. And what the
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: case breakers think is this is him confessing to knowing
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: where Jimmy Hoffa's body is buried.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: You know it's gonna be good when you have what
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: the case breakers think up there with on the Pat
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: McAfee show. Yeah, so there's more to this, but I
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: have to So the theory is that they did they
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: always bury it there or did they move it to there?
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Then it was moved there in nineteen ninety five.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I love the idea that they had the option of
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: moving a body and instead of just hey, this would
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: be a good time just to throw it in a
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: lake or something and just finally get rid of this evidence,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: or burn it so no one sees it, or bury
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: it somewhere no one will ever find it. Let's go
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: to another stadium, because we want to honor what the
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: original mobsters would have thought. You gotta keep it. It's
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: like when you do a remake of a movie. You
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: don't throw everything out. You keep some of the stuff
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: so that people are familiar with it. Yeah.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to tell you something else that I
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: think might change your mind. Logan.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: They brought a dog named Moxie to the site, and
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Moxie barked and nosed at four locations near where a
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: third base would have been at the old stadium. But
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: I also read a thing where they were like, also,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: home plate isn't where it says it is there?
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: And isn't it or does say in that part make
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: your third base theory work better?
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Moxi's ah, so they brought a snitch dog in the
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: snitch dog found this baseline. Yeah, so okay, all right, yeah,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: so we're you know, this kind of just takes away
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: everything because obviously this is true. Now, dogs have never
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: been known to find weird shit, which is why their
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: testimony is just one hundred accurate in court.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: The other thing that is really problematic about this claim
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: there is a fourth thing written on the card, which
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: is the date that this is alleged to have happened,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: nine sixteen ninety five, which, as a baseball fan logan,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: you will note part of the baseball.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: Season yep, last still happening. This is also where the
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Milwaukee Brewers played Primarily, the Packers were shoehorning this into
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: an NFL thing because the Packers played there like once
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: a year. That is where the Brewers played and baseball
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: season was happening at that point. Apparently the Brewers.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Were on a road trip on this exact date, but
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: the article will link to. They were able to find
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: a video from a game on nine to twenty six,
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: so ten days later. And there was no like headstone
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: for Jimmy Hoffa at third base or anything, if nothing else.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't do it in the middle of baseball season.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: That's done.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't you do it during the strike that was a
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: year beforehand, where no one was there? You had a
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: whole stadium.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Dumb dumb, And I'm sure the strike was on your radar,
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: as teamsters probably pay attention to labor issues like that. Yeah,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: that would have been a way better time to do it.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what I mean. Why why would you
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: do this if you had the chance to get rid
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: of the body the first time? Why would you even
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: bury him under fucking the meadowlands. Why wouldn't you throw
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: him in a swamp. Why wouldn't you just throw him
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: into a grave in the middle of nowhere? Why would
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: you put him under a baseball stadium. Why would you
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: put him under a football stadium? Why?
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: And it's not like putting him under there means he's
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: never gonna be found. Yeah, at the point they would
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: have done this, Milwaukee County Stadium was on its way
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: to be torn down by that point.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Also, how did they get into the stadium with Jimmy
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Hoffa's corpse and no one noticing?
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Did they just sneak in? And if so, how did.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were at a game.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: They put off in the sausage suit for the weader
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: races because it was at Brewer Stadium. Who was in
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: the broughtwurst?
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Oh man, what a stupid theory.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, if you can't trust the casebusters,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: who I look that up? When we did the codes.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: These are also the dudes that said that they cracked
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: the Zodiac case and the FBI is like, no thanks, So.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know it's interesting you bring that up
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: because there is another theory about Jimmy Hoffa that a
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: guy named Edward Wayne Edwards. Yes, he's a serial killer
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: named Edward Wayne Edwards. His son is adamant that his
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: dad was the Zodiac Killer. And there's a whole documentary
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: about it, and at the end there's this really weird
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: part where he's like, hey, San Francisco PD. You have
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: the Zodiac Killers DNA, I got my dad's DNA.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: You want to compare them?
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: And the San Francisco PD did not want to compare
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: that shit, and they still have not. I think the
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: kid makes a good case. But what's interesting is he
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: actually thinks his dad was the Zodiac Killer, the Atlanta
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: child murderer. He thinks he killed John Benet Ramsey, which
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: that one I don't buy, the Atlanta child murderer, I
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: do think. But he also thinks his dad killed Jimmy Haffa.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: And here's the thing. His dad was part of Jimmy
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Haffa's inner circle at the time Jimmy Hoffa went missing.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: And what this guy's son says is, my dad was
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: a killer of opportunity. If he saw a murder he
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: thought he could get away with, he would just do it.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: And what he thinks is his dad saw this very
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: famous argument that happened between Jimmy Hoffa and another guy
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: who suspected of killing him, and in that moment was like, Oh,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: if I kill him, people are just gonna think this
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: guy that everyone saw him arguing with.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: It's like a found twenty Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: It's the fucking interesting theory.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: But just that seems more reasonable than we murdered him,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: buried him under the meadow lands, dug him up, and
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: then moved him like fucking king corpse to the fucking
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: British Museum, and then buried him under the under a
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: stadium in Milwaukee a second time. That was gonna get
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: demolished anyway. So if they did demolish it, is it
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: still there where they That's what they're saying, it's still.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: The body is still there.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we have at this point GPS and a bunch
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: of things that can perfectly align with where the third
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: baseline was and tell you the exact thing. And they're
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: still saying, no, the home plate might have moved because
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: this dog barked at it.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Yes, science slogan science.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Oh shit, Well, I mean, if the Packers did play
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: there a couple of times, there is a theory that
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: maybe the magnets from their stadium might have thrown that
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: shit off. Because dogs shit in accordance to the electromagnetic spectrum.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: That's why they spin around and stuff. So maybe that
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: threw it off when they found the corpse. I mean,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: that is the science. It checks out don't look at that.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, what if the dog shit on Jimmy Hoffa's grave,
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: The dog.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Just really is anti Udi. It's an acab dogs just yet.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: So yeah, if anyone has a shovel and is in
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: the vicinity of Milwaukee County Stadium, go dig up the
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: third base area and let us know in the comments
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: if you find Jimmy Hoffa. So this next story, this
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: is barely a conspiracy. It is more of an opinion.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: But I think it might be the most believable thing
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: on this list.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Extremely logical. What we've talked about so far is like,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: why would you do this, how would you do this?
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: And does it make sense that you would have done
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: this for this thing? And how you did it? And
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: checks all those boxes.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: It's from a Reddit thread about NFL conspiracies, hosted by
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: a user called cut Silly fifty ninety nine. Ask form
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: by name, tell them conspiracy show sant Ya. I'm just
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: going to read it verbatim. It's a little long, I apologize,
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: but here goes. It's not really a conspiracy because it's
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: out in the open. But I think that the entire
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Patriot dynasty is tainted, not because of deflated footballs or
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: secret cameras, but because they circumvented the salary cap to
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: pay Tom Brady way below market value. In twenty thirteen,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Brady and Alex Guerrero, his quack fitness trainer, opened a
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: TB twelve center at Gillette Stadium. That was the same
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: year Brady renegotiated his contract for five years fifty seven
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: million dollars, so thirteen point six million per year. This
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: was seen as a big hometown discount at the time.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Everyone lauded Brady for his willingness to self sacrifice for
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: the betterment of the team.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: That's what you can do when you got Gazell money
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: coming into your household.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: However, we know that Kraft was paying Brady outside of
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: the collective agreement for services rendered by TB twelve for
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: various athletes that trained there. We know this because in
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, Brady's iPhone data was leaked. There are conversations
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: between himself and an employee from the Patriots regarding a
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: check for TB twelve, how much for what services, who
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: owned the TB twelve building. All this money can add
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: up quickly. I suspect that Craft cut Brady a deal
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: for TB twelve so Brady could earn additional money that
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: wouldn't count against the salary cap. There's more, but I
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: think that makes a lot of fucking sense.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean teams are always trying to figure out
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: ways to get around shit like that and navigate salary
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: cap loopholes and stuff. I mean, there's a reason that
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: we celebrate Bobby Benia day. Oh yeah, wait, is it
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: Bobby Bania who's still being paid. Who's the Mets player
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: who had that thing where he deferred like all of
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: his paycheck years later and it was tied into Bobby Bondia.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he is paid one point one nine million dollars annually.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, yeah, it is Bobby Bania. So Bobby, they
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: deferred his salary for years, so he's still getting paid
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: like now. And the funny thing is is the reason
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: they did that is because they thought they would make
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: so much money off of investing with Aonzie scheme. Guy
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Bernie Man Bernie. Yeah, there's tons of times where you
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: see stupid shit like this trying to like navigate salary
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: cap and it makes sense. Oh, if we go around
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: the cap like this, we have a better team, we
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: can pay this. This is logical financial conspiracies, because that
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: just makes sense more than Jimmy Hoffa might be buried
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: under two same two cemeteries at the same time, or
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Taylor Swift made me sign a freed up contract or whatever.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Weird shit.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Bobby Bonia gets that money until twenty thirty five.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, no, Bobby Benia day move.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: On his part. Holy shit, that's Altani's contract too.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, same thing, like two in a year, and then
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: after that contracts up, he starts.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. Both of those guys contracts were
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: completely legal within the confines of the salary cap, and
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: there's tons of times where people try to get around
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: shit like that and do things that just involve weird
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: shit involving that. Right now, in MLS this is also legal.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: But we have the Miami team who got I'm blanking
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: on the soccer player's name, best soccer player in the world,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Messi Messi. Yeah, why did I blake on that? But
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Messi was offered like part ownership and like all this
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: other stuff, and they're like, there's ways to get you
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: paid that don't involve directly like your actual salary. That
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: you're getting paid. So Robert Raft trying to figure ways
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: to save more money for hand jobs seems to be
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: like in mine with the type of person he is. Also,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Alex Guerrero is a piece of shit. We didn't really
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: talk about that. The dude has a three paragraph section
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: in his Wikipedia that is sanctioning by the FTC.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: So you know, yeah, maybe Robert Kraft is trying to
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: raise enough money to buy a Super Bowl ring back
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: from Plutin.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: From Vladimir Food. Yeah, I like, just like, just let
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: it go, just let it go. He's like, okay, yeah.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I've heard that is like in a display case in
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: a library inside the Kremlin.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: Wow, I love that. I love it.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: That was probably his plan for Britney Griner.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, cut silly fifty nine to forty nine.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: Good job. I think you're right, all right. Last story,
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: this one is a doozy. Virginia McCaskey had her brother killed.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: Virginia McCaskey, of course, owner of the Chicago Bears. From
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: the Chicago Bears, people don't realize they are old as
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: fucking dinosaurs. They have been a professional football team for
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: a long long time.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: They're literally a charter franchise like it's them and the
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, who were also the Chicago Cardinals back then.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: To give you an example, how old the Bears are.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Their owner, Virginia McCaskey is one hundred and one years old,
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And she got it from her.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Dad, And that's kind of what this theory is about,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: is how did she get it from her dad because
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: the thinking was always that the family business was going
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: to go to her brother.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: What was his mugs he is George Hallis Junior. Everyone
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: just called them mugs, which is a lot easier than
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: just calling him junior or something.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: But then Muggs died of a heart attack and Virginia
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: McCaskey ended up getting his share.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: And it's a shady way she got it too.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because there were he had two kids, her
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: brother had two.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Your children who were like eleven and twelve or thirteen something, right, Yeah.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: And because her brother died, it gave her kind of
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: like a controlling share in the ownership of the Bears.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: His kids would have had an also kind of ownership stake,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: and she devalued their shares.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she was put in charge of like their trust
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: and you know, once they turn of age, they would
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: have had that and they would have had the controlling
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: but as owner of the trust, she decided to reorganize it.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: So they got fucked over, which, as he said.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they got I mean she bought their shares for
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: what sounds like a lot of money. I think it
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: was something like seventeen millions.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Like seventeen but like fucking franchises are worth.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: The shares she bought from them would be worth over
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: a billion.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely some like Zuckerberg Facebook shit with.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that is why people suspect she
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: had her brother killed, just because she's been kind of
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: fucking ruthless in dealing with his kids in terms of
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: splitting up the estate. But then there's also the thing
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: where his family had his body exhumed and they were
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: hoping to do an autopsy and found that his organs
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: had been replaced with sawdust.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: His brain, his like liver, his heart, his spinal cord
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: was all replaced with sawdust.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Because they were already checking to see if maybe he
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: was poisoned or something like that happened, and you kind
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: of have to have the organs in order to check
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: for stuff like that. If Virginia McCaskey had a hand
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: in this and had the foresight to have his organs removed,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: that's bravo. That is expert murderer shit right there.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is like, this is one of those
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: things where I think there's truth in like the bullshit
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: of the conspiracy, Cause I don't find it hard to
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: believe that a man in his fifties in fifties era Chicago,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: the land of encased meat, would die of a heart
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: attack suddenly. That's like we literally the most famous Chicago
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: show now is centered around Italian beef. So I don't
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: find it hard to believe that a guy would have
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: a heart attack, Like that's just okay, shit happen. So
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: that I think it's more of a crime of opportunity
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, I'm in charge now, I'm gonna
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: you know, evil stepmother this bullshit or whatever, and take
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: advantage of that financially because you know she has the
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: opportunity to do that. So yeah, and note she would
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: have had no opportunity otherwise because Mugs was the heir apparent.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: This was some straight up I think this is more
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Game of Thrones weird shit, But in terms of political
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: wranglings rather than killing somebody.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, it's an interesting story. I did
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: find at least one source that talks about sawdust being
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: a thing that.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: Funeral homes use.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: I'd be interested to know if all of those organs
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: were gone entirely, because the thing I read, and we'll
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: link to this in the show notes also is that
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: apparently sometimes when a body is being autopsy, when they
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: take the organs out and preserve them in formaldehyde or whatever,
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: they sometimes lose some of their volume. Yeah, which when
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: you put them back in, it's gonna make the body
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: look weird because now there's not organs.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: Where there were.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: And sawdust or wood shavings they actually call them, it's
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: not actually sawdust is one of the things that funeral
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: homes will sometimes use to like flesh those organs back
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: out and make the body look more normal. So I
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: do wonder when they say the organs had been replaced
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: by sawdust, does that mean entirely or was there passing
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: not enough organ left to do an autopsy.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why there was sawdust there.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: And also again, the mccaskeys are incompetent a t This
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: is a family that had a press conference for a
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: coach that ended up not taking the job in the
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: late nineties before Dick Duron remember that. Yes, Yeah, so
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: it's not like we are not dealing with like criminal
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: masterminds here with the Bear. They haven't been able to
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: find the right combo of, hey, we should hire a
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: coach the same time we draft a quarterback for like
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: three decades. So the idea of them being mastermind criminals
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: involving a murder conspiracy is a little far fetter for me.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I absolutely think that they
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: saw like a crime of opportunity and took that because
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: money makes people do people shit, and screwing over family
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: members over money is the thing that happens quite frequently.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: So yeah, especially after someone dies.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: If you've ever been through that, the fucking family wheeling
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: and dealing after that happens is usually pretty goddamn gross.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: And it seems like there's no question as to whether
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: Virginia McCaskey did that part. Yeah, that's just she legitimately
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: fucked these kids out of a bunch of money. Yeah,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: just a question of if she gave her brother a
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: heart attack, how would you do that?
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, she's rich, find a way she's rich.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: But again, like I said, it's Chicago. I think that
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: the Maxwell Street polish was gonna do that job before
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: any assassine poison got there. Man.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's why his organs aren't there. They're just
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: all fucking Italian sausage grease.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: It's just filled with colbasa where his intestine is supposed
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: to be, Italian beef where the braid is supposed to
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: be and then the sport peppers with the spinal cord
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: for Chicago dogs, like, yeah.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: What's your take on Chicago dogs? Not a fan.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I like Chicago style hot dogs. I will say this, though,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: I kind of enjoy them better when they're char dogs
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: rather than when they're boiled. I like the texture and
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: like that. I think it kicks it up a notch.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: So I wish that they would default to char dogs
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: being the Chicago style stuff. But I like Chicago style
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: hot dogs, so yeah, I will defend that, like I
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: will defend deep dish. I don't think it's great all
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: the time, but it's a great option for just a
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: different dog.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, I thought you were talking about deep dish.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: I do think that's great all the time. Oh, I
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: love the dish, but I like the Vienna beef hot
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: dog and I like the hoppy seed bun. But I'm
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: a mustard and chilly guy.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: See, yeah, that's the thing. I liked different toppings with
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: hot dogs. I'm not the same thing every single time
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: with that. Like, I like having options like that. Sometimes
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: I like caramelized onions and freaking like some type of
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: hot mustard that you put on there. There's tons of
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: different options you could do with dogs that are really good.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: So I'm not super defensive about it, but I do
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: get defensive when people are like, oh no, it's terrible.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: It's like running it through a garden. It's like, eh, good,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: they come together, they compliment each other. But yeah, I
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: like it better when it's charred. I will say that. Yeah.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: And I think people at home could just listen to
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: how passionately me and Logan are talking about hot dogs
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: and probably find it somewhere in your heart to believe
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: that Mugs Hallie just died of a heart attack.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. We have strong takes about encased meats there.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: It's I can't express how weird the Chicago diet is
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: for somebody out there in terms of like, how do
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: you all not have high blood pressure and just fall
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: over when you're fifty five? Monzius died at fifty two.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, no doo that's the answer.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and bear in mind this is seventies hot dogs
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: where they were just fucking throwing whatever nitrates in that shit.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: You know that he was getting some good shit on there.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Although that maybe that would have preserved his organs.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: No maybe, yeah. Yeah. Now Virginia McCaskey back on the
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: hot seat.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: So complete side thing we were talking about being excited
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: for in Case Meats. I was so excited that I
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: rushed to my phone and immediately texted my best friend
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: because I'm not in the Chicago area now, I'm in Texas.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: I excitedly texted him, Hey, they're opening a Portillo's within
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: twenty minutes of me in like four months. That's how
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: much we love him Case Meats and shit, Okay.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: That is exciting. Also, yeah, so I would.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Be sched having a heart attack from Chicago, not surprising.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that is our episode logan. Thank
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: you so much for thanks for having me doing the pod.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: I already told people they should listen to w NBA
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: our podcast about the WNBA and women's sports, mostly women's basketball.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: What else do we have to plug? Logan? What do
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: you got?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: I've been popping up his guest host on screenplay over
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: at the game for the Unemployed Network. Tom Is has
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: baby right now, so he's taking care of his baby.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: So tom Is has baby, tom is habit of tom
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Is has baby. I just had a dyslexic moment right there,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: just crossed wires. But yeah, Tom's doing baby duty. So
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: I'm just filling in for a little bit with John Ryman.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: So if you want to check that out, it's a
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: very fun podcast. Also, I'm on the socials at the
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Logan Trent And if you listen to WNBA, you know
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: that I'm not a big fan of genocide. We could
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: kind of just agree to that. That's gonna probably be
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: an issue that pops up a lot tomorrow at the election,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: and we're a lot more after that.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah, no genocide. That'd be nice, that would
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: be so so nice. And let's get the absolute fuck
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: out of here. Logan say goodbye bye, goodbye everybody.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: We love you.