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Episode #3846 The New Phil Hendrie Show Radio Archive Hour · The World of Phil Hendrie

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Speaker 1: And welcome folks to the world famous Phil Henry Show
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Speaker 1: with Bobby and Steve Dooley here today. Well, if you
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Speaker 1: talked to them from Western Estates, a lot going on
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Speaker 1: there as well as there's a lot going on.
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Speaker 2: Here on the on our show. This says a lot
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Speaker 2: going on in the world right now, Boddy, how you doing?
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Speaker 3: Oh? Phil High, I'm doing really well.
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Speaker 2: And I know that you were You're going to be
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Speaker 2: featured today on.
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Speaker 4: Our radio archive. How or have you got me?
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Speaker 2: Are you in the tub there?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Hold on to just Ben, Steve, turn it to
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Speaker 3: turn it off down.
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Speaker 2: I know, because we're on there, Phill.
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Speaker 3: Chris still's on the yellow thing right now. Okay, okay,
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Speaker 3: I think yeah, so yeah, Phil, I think that it
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Speaker 3: has been a very very busy couple of weeks ago
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Speaker 3: for you. But we're very proud that you're featuring us
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Speaker 3: on the on your on your podcast. You know that
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Speaker 3: Bill duvol to be calling.
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Speaker 2: I know who he is. I know he's going to
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Speaker 2: be calling. I don't know what for.
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Speaker 3: Well, we have the controversy, Steve.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sorry, Steve Dully. And the thing that's really
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Speaker 5: it's really brother, guess, is that he says he wants
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Speaker 5: to help the Bobby's the high rear end. He's totally
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Speaker 5: against it. He wants the higher end taken out.
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Speaker 2: This high rear end topiary that you guys created has
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Speaker 2: caused you nothing but problems, hasn't he That's not true.
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Speaker 5: We've had people stopped park, they've taken pictures of it.
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Speaker 5: In many ways, they've considered it to be a moment
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Speaker 5: of a good luck. Some people actually try to climb.
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Speaker 5: One guy tried to climb up and try to rub it.
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Speaker 5: You know how they rub it?
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Speaker 3: That's fine, Steve. So anyway, Phil, well, they got one
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Speaker 3: guy wrote it, Bill developit did yeah, Bill developed. He
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Speaker 3: tried to climb up the hedge Phil and rub the
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Speaker 3: high rear end.
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Speaker 2: How big is this thing? Anyway?
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Speaker 3: It's pretty big, you see the general.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I drove by it King Kong Boulevard there right, Bobby, Yes,
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Speaker 2: I drove by it. It's about fifteen feet high. And
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Speaker 2: the rear end that Bobby's talking about is why enough.
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying you've got a big you got a big.
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Speaker 2: Fan asked, what I'm saying is it's wide enough for
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Speaker 2: a guy to climb up there and rub it. I
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Speaker 2: don't know.
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Speaker 5: Well you can, you know, you can climb up and rub.
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Speaker 5: It doesn't matter how big it is.
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Speaker 2: Never mind, So did you so, general? Would you pull over?
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Speaker 4: Yeah? I pulled over it, took a look at it.
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Speaker 2: And then I drove on.
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Speaker 3: Okay, So why did you pull over?
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Speaker 4: Because I felt like it? Hi? This is Margaret? How
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Speaker 4: you doing, Bobby?
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Speaker 3: Oh? Hi Margaret? Long time, no talk.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm fascinated by this topic of your high rear
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Speaker 6: end because as you heard the general say, he pulled
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Speaker 6: over and stared at it, and you got devloped.
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Speaker 2: This man Devolva.
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Speaker 4: What is his name?
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Speaker 3: It's Bill the Bulba de Vulvaova.
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Speaker 2: What's his name? Bobby? Okay, it's d E b U
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Speaker 2: b l A BLA.
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Speaker 5: Granted. The name is Bill?
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Speaker 3: Phone Steve? Take you? The name is Bill Devolva?
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Speaker 5: Bi?
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Speaker 3: Yes, what did I say?
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Speaker 2: You spelled it weird, Bobby.
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Speaker 6: The question that I have is why is this continuing
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Speaker 6: to be controversial?
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Speaker 3: Because to be honest with you, well, let Bill tell
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Speaker 3: the story.
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Speaker 5: Is he I Bill Devolva? Here on line chster, Henry's
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Speaker 5: gonna call you an in line three, he's online two here?
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Speaker 5: Do you want to take it?
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Speaker 3: There?
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Speaker 5: You want me to take it.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what you'd be to send send it.
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Speaker 5: Dar way, Okay, okay, hey Bill, Yeah, we're gonna send
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Speaker 5: it over to Henry.
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Speaker 7: But yeah, I get it right here. This is Bill
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Speaker 7: Devolda in line three.
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Speaker 4: And how do you say the guy's name?
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Speaker 2: Bill Devolva, Bill Devil, mister Devova.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, this would be the next voice you hear will
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Speaker 7: be Phil Henry, Phil Henry Phil.
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Speaker 2: H e And give me the phone, will you please?
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Speaker 2: Mister Devlva?
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Speaker 5: How are you good?
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Speaker 3: Afternoon, mister Henry.
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Speaker 2: And Bobby Dooley's on the line.
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Speaker 3: Hi, Bobby, Hi Bill, how are you. I'm I'm never
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Speaker 3: been better in a lot of ways. I feel that
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Speaker 3: I'm freed up. Uh. And you know, Bobby, we've always
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Speaker 3: honored your stewardship as president of the Homeowner Association, but
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Speaker 3: I think it's time to make a change. You can
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Speaker 3: hear how nervous Bill is. So do you want to
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Speaker 3: tell everyone while you're nervous, I'm not nervous about anything.
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Speaker 3: We know that you've tried to tried to climb climb up.
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Speaker 3: Know that, yes I did, I tried that, climbed up
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Speaker 3: and I did what I needed to do.
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Speaker 2: Bill, this is Phil Henry. Can you tell me what
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Speaker 2: the what's the story?
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Speaker 3: We just want the higher end? Do we want the
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Speaker 3: hier end to ape Avery taken down? We don't want
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Speaker 3: to see it. I don't want to see it, or
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Speaker 3: I don't want to see it anymore. I think there's
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Speaker 3: a lot of men that don't want.
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Speaker 5: To see it.
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Speaker 3: And I think that misduly understands. Well what you're saying,
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Speaker 3: Bill is that a lot of men like to pull
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Speaker 3: over and they like to look at it, and they
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Speaker 3: like to go, yeah, you know, Steve, Yeah.
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Speaker 5: They didn't want to sit there and go, oh you know.
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Speaker 3: That is slander beyond anything I've ever I should sue
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Speaker 3: both of you.
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Speaker 2: Hold on before anybody's suing. I want to know what
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Speaker 2: are you talking about, Bobby.
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Speaker 3: I'm talking about at least two men were caught masturbating,
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Speaker 3: but you were one of them. Now that is a
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Speaker 3: filthy lie. Take that back. It's a lie, or I'll
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Speaker 3: stay all right.
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Speaker 5: I know I thought I heard it was you.
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Speaker 3: It was Jim. It was Jim de Pepper and Todd
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Speaker 3: dimension with the two and.
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Speaker 2: You're Bill di Volva.
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Speaker 3: That's right.
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Speaker 2: What's You're not related?
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Speaker 4: Are you, Bill. This is not a time to be laughing.
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Speaker 3: I agree with the general, it's not a time to
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Speaker 3: be laughing. I my name is Bill Devova. The other
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Speaker 3: guy was Jill.
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Speaker 5: His name he's a man whose name is Jill. And
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Speaker 5: the other guy was some other guy.
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Speaker 3: But I noticed you're unbuttoning your shirt on your videocast,
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Speaker 3: mister Henry. It disgusts me. It disgussed me.
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Speaker 5: Okay, you're looking.
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Speaker 2: At it for all right. I'm sorry, sir. Let me
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Speaker 2: just take time out here to button my shirt. It
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Speaker 2: got a little hot here in the studio. This is
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Speaker 2: Phil Henry. I'm Todd. Bobby Dooley is in her tub
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Speaker 2: after a long day. We got Bill Devolva on the line.
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Speaker 2: He's with the Homeowners Association of Western the States. And
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Speaker 2: apparently the controversy exists now and continues that they want
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Speaker 2: that highway in topiary down. Bobby, what do you understand
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Speaker 2: about this?
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Speaker 3: No, what I understand about the high ray end is
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Speaker 3: that there hasn't been a moment's piece since we put
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Speaker 3: that up and Steve skelpted it, and there was an
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Speaker 3: initial protest, as you know, then people got used to it.
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Speaker 3: People were driving by. They were taking photographs of it.
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Speaker 3: People considered it good luck. Mister Devolbe himself was caught
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Speaker 3: trying to climb to trying to climb up it and
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Speaker 3: rub it for good luck. Is that right, Bill? There
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Speaker 3: was a moment where a lot of us bill it
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Speaker 3: was good luck. Yes, okay, And then all of a
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Speaker 3: sudden back came to protests, and now it's rather vicious.
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Speaker 3: People want it down. We want it down because we
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Speaker 3: don't think that you've got men.
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Speaker 5: Guys pulling over like you, Devolva, pull it, pulled your
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Speaker 5: meat to it.
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Speaker 3: If you watch your language, I'm not pulling my meat
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Speaker 3: to anything. You talked to Jim to Kipman, Jim decatur,
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Speaker 3: any guy with a dee.
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Speaker 2: What is it with you guys with the decatured Devolva?
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Speaker 2: What is that about?
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Speaker 3: Know something? But every one of us masturbates when we
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Speaker 3: see the higher end?
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Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? Is this Bobby? Is this some
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Speaker 2: kind of a joke.
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Speaker 3: No, as far as I know, it's right, it's real.
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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, they called up and I'll do it.
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Speaker 3: Yes, it is real, mister Henry. We have I don't
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Speaker 3: know whether it is some kind of mass hypnosis or something.
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Speaker 3: But there are men pulling off to the side as
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Speaker 3: they're pulling into the to the security area in Western Estates.
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Speaker 3: They're pulling over the side unzipping, and I can hear
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Speaker 3: mister Henry. I don't know, Jim, Jim, Jim Decouzza is here.
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Speaker 5: Bobby, Oh, I'd say hi to him.
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Speaker 3: Bobby says, I, Jim just heard mister Henry, go right, Jim.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So let me let me guess. Is Jim Decuza one
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Speaker 2: of the guys.
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Speaker 3: That's jerking off he thinks this is funny, Jim till
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Speaker 3: I can tell you, mister Henry.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, one of the people when I look at
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Speaker 5: the higher end, Because Bobby Duley has turned it into
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Speaker 5: some kind of an object of duiflication, She's turned it
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Speaker 5: into some kind of an object of worship. Why wouldn't
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Speaker 5: a mad be to perceive it as something that is
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Speaker 5: necessary for his spiritual survival and perhaps necessary for his
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Speaker 5: physical well being as well. And the only way to
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Speaker 5: show your respect to something like that is to pull
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Speaker 5: off to the side of the road, pull off where
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Speaker 5: there's a shoulder, and maybe you know, you get three
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Speaker 5: hour parking and you can sit there, bend your seat back,
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Speaker 5: pull it out.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: One of the things I can I say something general
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Speaker 2: shall go ahead. One of the things on Phil's show
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Speaker 2: has to do with really weird erratic masturbation.
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Speaker 4: I've noticed that.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, well I have to wait a minute. What
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Speaker 2: are you trying to say? I'm saying that you're fascinated
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Speaker 2: with guys jerking off in weird situations?
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Speaker 4: What about that guy Tom Catton? What about him?
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Speaker 2: Man, it's not my fault.
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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know, Phil, you know Tom Catton? And
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Speaker 6: and well in general, he when you say that guy
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Speaker 6: he's parked in your driveway.
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Speaker 2: That's right, he is. I said that guy little? Did
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Speaker 2: I remember that he's out there in the driveway every day?
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Speaker 2: Invented by me? Yes, I don't know. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I just find it to be amusing.
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Speaker 6: Were you ever caught in a situation, Phil, where you
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Speaker 6: were jerking off off the side of the road?
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Speaker 2: Look at you just well?
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Speaker 4: Will you? No?
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Speaker 5: No, I wasn't, Bill Devolva.
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Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with it. I don't think it's anything
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Speaker 3: to be ashamed of it. You got the rest of
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Speaker 3: us a little sketch comedy situation where you've got everybody
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Speaker 3: beating the meat, you know, so I don't think it's right. Hill.
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Speaker 4: I agree with that.
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Speaker 6: And if you've got to take a left turn with
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Speaker 6: your comedy, get it away from masturbation.
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Speaker 3: Well, in this case, okay, Phil has nothing to do
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Speaker 3: with it because Bill Devova was parked along with Jim
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Speaker 3: Decatur and about six or seven other guys parked staring
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Speaker 3: up at my rear end and jerking off.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so what are you guys gonna do about it?
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Speaker 3: Okay, we're going to take it, take the utopiary down,
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Speaker 3: whether you like it or not, Bobby. That takes a
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Speaker 3: maturity vote. And we've got the votes. Okay, there are
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Speaker 3: seven members in the council.
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Speaker 5: And we got four votes.
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Speaker 3: I'll believe that when I say it. Okay, the Owner's
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Speaker 3: Association meeting tomorrow night, eight o'clock, you know, on the button.
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Speaker 5: I'll hope you're there. Yeah, okay, got Okay, you take care, buddy.
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Speaker 2: So you got the votes and that that that topiary's coming.
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Speaker 5: Down, Yeah, you better goddamn well believe it, because.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a pretty good point to misterny.
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Speaker 7: What is no in fact that you know, you find
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Speaker 7: high high comedy and high humor, and guys just jerking
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Speaker 7: off in different situations, and.
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Speaker 2: I think it's kind of funny. All right, Well, I
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Speaker 2: think it's kind of funny too, to be honest with you. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: but I mean you've got you got capt and parked
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Speaker 2: in my driveway.
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Speaker 4: Now you guys got you got?
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Speaker 2: What is it about being a park car and jerking
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Speaker 2: off three guesses?
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, Phil, you've done that.
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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get into who's done what? Every guy
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Speaker 2: listened to me right now? Who's ever parked with never
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Speaker 2: mind parked with a girl that never mind?
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Speaker 4: Never mind?
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Speaker 2: Uh? The high, the idea and the image of that
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Speaker 2: cracks me up, that's all.
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Speaker 7: So you're talking about, see just the idea guys pulling
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Speaker 7: off you know?
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Speaker 2: Oh god, there's the high I gotta pull off. Yes, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I think that. I think that's hysterically funny.
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Speaker 6: Well, Bobby, I don't think we'd find that funny at all.
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Speaker 6: I think Bobby would be insulted to think that you
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Speaker 6: would find it funny that guys would find her so
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Speaker 6: attractive they'd pull off onto the shoulder of a road
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Speaker 6: where it says two hour parking and pound it pound dummy.
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Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. I will say that
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Speaker 2: the Dooleys, I will say that the Duleyes are expecting
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Speaker 2: the Summer Tackulars coming up and that will be that'll
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Speaker 2: be featuring Bobby Dooley along with Steve Dooley. He's dancing
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Speaker 2: to whatever the hell.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, he's gonna be wearing the sulu, which is like
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Speaker 7: the Fijian skirt that they wear, and he'll be dancing
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Speaker 7: and she'll be at the sun Goddess.
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Speaker 2: So that's the Western Estates.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Western say, Summer Tackler coming up on the weekend.
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Speaker 7: That is the one coming up right now, the weekend,
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Speaker 7: that's the one coming up right now.
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Speaker 4: In other words, Phill is the twenty sixth. It's the
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Speaker 4: twenty eighth, right.
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Speaker 7: But yeah, it's the twenty eighth. At the at the
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Speaker 7: at the at the at the at the at Western States.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, time to get doctor Jim Saddler on
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Speaker 2: the line. This is what we usually do is get
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Speaker 2: doctor Sadler on the line where we hear some kind
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Speaker 2: of ab under strange behavior. Doctor Sadler is in San Diego, California,
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Speaker 2: and doctor Sadler.
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Speaker 3: How are you's gray? So straight to talk with you
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Speaker 3: with a lot of fun. The other night, by the way,
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Speaker 3: when I was on there with doctor Ron and Donor
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Speaker 3: and kicking around the psychology like that.
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Speaker 2: It's always fun to have you guys on because you
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Speaker 2: give us a unique perspective. You just heard and this
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Speaker 2: has been a and the guy said, it's a running
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Speaker 2: theme on the show. You just heard talking of me
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Speaker 2: talking to Bobby Dooley and this guy Bill de Volva
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Speaker 2: who pulls off to the side of the road and
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Speaker 2: jerks off to Bobby's highway ententopiary. She says, a bunch
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Speaker 2: of other guys do that. I would ask you, what
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Speaker 2: do you think is going on there with me?
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Speaker 3: I don't know, so you know, you may I think
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Speaker 3: what you I think. In your case, you think guys
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Speaker 3: jerking off is funny, and you think guys jerking off
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Speaker 3: in public is hysterically funny because it shows a sort
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Speaker 3: of a weakness, vulnerability, and a sexual addiction that they
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Speaker 3: have no control of it. So you think guys that
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Speaker 3: have no control over theirselves or their physical bodies are
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Speaker 3: pretty funny.
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Speaker 4: Actually I do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, why I hears that, I don't know. It's just
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Speaker 2: because once you have no real control over anything, you
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Speaker 2: fall in some weird situations. When you fall in weird situations,
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Speaker 2: they're generally very funny.
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Speaker 3: But you're not. You're trying to you know, you don't
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Speaker 3: like seeing people fail. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I don't like seeing people fail. I don't like seeing people.
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Speaker 2: I don't like seeing people embarrassed necessarily. But you notice
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Speaker 2: that this is all for comedic purposes. Man, I don't
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Speaker 2: really want to see this done in real life.
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Speaker 3: So if it happened in real life, the guys were
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Speaker 3: pulling off and jerking off to a tope area of
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Speaker 3: a woman's but you would what.
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Speaker 2: I think it was pretty strange.
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Speaker 3: Would you be scared by it? Yeah?
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Speaker 4: I would be.
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Speaker 3: You'd be scared. Buy a lot of guys pull of
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Speaker 3: old than jacket off, Yeah I would.
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Speaker 2: I think there was I think there was something wrong,
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Speaker 2: something in the water, something wrong with the with the air.
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Speaker 3: Okay, that's very interesting. I'm here, it's a matter of fact, Phil,
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Speaker 3: I'm here that I pay a teacher meeting here in
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Speaker 3: San Diego. I do some consulting as a doctor, and
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Speaker 3: I also have done some psychological work. And here the ladies. Yeah, ladies,
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Speaker 3: can I ask you a questions? You say, you, ladies,
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Speaker 3: do you any of you have an opinion on if
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Speaker 3: a man pulls up to the side of the road.
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Speaker 3: You gotta be kidding me, doctor Oh, hold on, hold on,
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Speaker 3: give a man pulls up to the side of the
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Speaker 3: road and starts to bespake as monkey. Does any of
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Speaker 3: you have no opinion about it? Hey?
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Speaker 2: Hey, hey, doctor sadline, Doctor Sadminthe doesn't sound like you're
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Speaker 2: getting their attention.
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Speaker 3: Wait, wait a minute, hey, hey, that's so are you? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: You do you.
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Speaker 4: Better him?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you better call him? What the hell happened?
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Speaker 4: It sounded like someone attacked him. Yeah, he said, hey,
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Speaker 4: you fatso? He said he was in a room full
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Speaker 4: of women.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, Doctor Jim Saylor, please do salor, Yeah, doctor Saylor?
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Speaker 2: Okay, what can keep? Just don't even say nothing? Here,
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Speaker 2: here's mister Henry, doctor Sallly. Okay, okay, you can't talk,
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Speaker 2: can you?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Okay, So you said fat so to some woman?
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I love.
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Speaker 8: One of the things about your comedy film, Yes, yes, yes,
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Speaker 8: what there's a lot of public masturbation and a lot
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Speaker 8: of guys getting their faces kicked in to the point
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Speaker 8: where you can't understand anything they're saying, and it's generally
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Speaker 8: very funny.
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Speaker 4: Listening to them say.
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Speaker 2: In other words, you're just saying that tonight is a
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Speaker 2: lot of Phil Henry Radio. Phil Henry Hilles were cliches.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, you know what, if it works, just keep
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Speaker 2: right on beating the drum.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, key word they're beating. Yeah, that's it. That's all
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Speaker 4: I can stand.
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Speaker 2: World Famous Phil Henry Show, Executive produced by Phil Henry
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Speaker 4: See you again tomorrow with another radio archive borrow and more.
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Speaker 4: This bore this faulter all.
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Speaker 2: Yes, be more on guys spanking and out in the public. Sure. Yeah,