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China-Pakistan Peace Plan: The 5 Points That Could End the Iran War | Silk and Steel · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Okay, Lady Zimmen, welcome back to the show. We've got
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  Speaker 1: Karl Za in the house. Karl our dipty Prime Minister,
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  Speaker 1: the Foreign Minister of Pakistan is in China.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on, Well, the Chinese Foreign primy Foreign Minister one,
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  Speaker 2: he has met his Pakistan counterparts. They have issued a
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  Speaker 2: joint statement which urge immediate ceasefire from both sides and
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  Speaker 2: reopening the street door hor moves to commercial shipping. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this is pretty big because I think this comes at
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  Speaker 2: the juncture when the war US is real war against
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  Speaker 2: Iran has entered its one month face and Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: is desperately looking for a off ramp. I mean, we
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  Speaker 2: see him messaging every now and then that we want
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  Speaker 2: big lely, we want so much we destroy everything in Iran.
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  Speaker 2: But right now, for Donald Trump, the problem is he
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  Speaker 2: this is something that he started but not something he
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  Speaker 2: could finish. And for China's point of view, your China's
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  Speaker 2: top priority is uh In. China's preference is still peace
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  Speaker 2: and stability because you know, without China's trade relationship with
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  Speaker 2: West Asia is obviously being impacted. China has a lot
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  Speaker 2: of tons of investment in GCC and you know the
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  Speaker 2: GCC nations are hurting because they are the one hosting
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  Speaker 2: US BASS, so they have come under intense fire uh
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  Speaker 2: from Iranian jones and the missiles attack. So in addition
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  Speaker 2: to that, Pakistan not only is very close to China,
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  Speaker 2: but it's also pretty close to the United States. And
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  Speaker 2: I have an inkling that the Pakistan foreign minister traveling
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  Speaker 2: to China to make this joint statement was done with
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  Speaker 2: the US knowledge, because you know, US for its part, uh.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we know Donald Trump is desperately looking for
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  Speaker 2: off frams, so he might my at this point appreciate
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  Speaker 2: somebody takes and lead, you know, in this case Pakistan
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  Speaker 2: and China. Now the two side issue, the joint statement.
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  Speaker 2: The issue they have five points. There's the five points.
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  Speaker 2: One is immediate sees fire of hostilities, which humanitarian assistance
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  Speaker 2: allowed to all war affected area. So I guess that
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  Speaker 2: will include both GZC and you Wan and start up
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  Speaker 2: number two startup peace talks as soon as possible under
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  Speaker 2: the principle of safeguarding the independence and security of Yourang
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  Speaker 2: and Golf States. No, there's no mention of Israel here
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  Speaker 2: where they're just talking about Iran and Golf States and
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  Speaker 2: all party will commit to refrain from refraining from the
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  Speaker 2: use or the threat of use of force during peace talk. Again,
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  Speaker 2: this is obviously aimed to a United States because now
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  Speaker 2: US had twice attack Iran in the middle of negotiations.
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  Speaker 2: So Iran has stated they do not trust United States anymore.
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  Speaker 2: They do not trust US can engage in peace talk
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  Speaker 2: in good faith. So it's very important to have that guarantee.
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  Speaker 2: And I think China of all people can uh you know,
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  Speaker 2: have can throw its weight around given that guarantee for
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  Speaker 2: a peace talk without coercion and and uh sneak attack
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  Speaker 2: by United States. And also it's very important that they
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  Speaker 2: include the line the principle of safeguarding independence and security
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  Speaker 2: of Iran and of course Golf States, because this is
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  Speaker 2: one of the actual demands of Iran for their condition
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  Speaker 2: for peace talk. You know, Uran says they want to
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  Speaker 2: guarantee security guarantee and particularly a guarantee that United States
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  Speaker 2: and Israel would not attack again. Of course for Iran
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  Speaker 2: that meant US pulling out a West Asia, you know,
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  Speaker 2: take all its US bases and go. Well, they don't
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  Speaker 2: have to take all the US bases anymore because they're
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  Speaker 2: all disjoined. We have reports that thirteen US bases have
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  Speaker 2: basically been rendered uninhabitable. So this might be a hard
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  Speaker 2: pill to swallow for the US because if, if, even
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  Speaker 2: if Trump declares victory and go home, that means that
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  Speaker 2: the entire US empire system in West Asia lacing patterns.
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  Speaker 2: You know, this is essentially a def a US withdrawal
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  Speaker 2: from the region. They have already done so by the way,
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  Speaker 2: they already pulled their troops back from Iraq outside the
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  Speaker 2: Iraq Kurtistan area. You know, this is after how many
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  Speaker 2: years after the war supposedly ended. So in a way,
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  Speaker 2: Iran is helping to decolonize West Asia right now. Number three,
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  Speaker 2: number three of the joint statement, the parties to the
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  Speaker 2: conflict will immediately stop the attacks on important infrastructure, including energy,
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  Speaker 2: desalination plans and power facilities and peaceful new clear infrastructure
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  Speaker 2: such as nuclear power plans. So again this is also
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  Speaker 2: aimed to our United States because Donald Trump again he
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  Speaker 2: had threatened to attack Iran's vital power goods, and they
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  Speaker 2: Israel did attack Iranian gas plan, and they did attack
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  Speaker 2: Iranian desalination plan. And Iran has retaliated against desalination plans
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  Speaker 2: and energy facility in the in the golf countries. So
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  Speaker 2: this is number three. Uh, this is really because really
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  Speaker 2: to contain this conflict, Uh, this need to happen, because
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  Speaker 2: this affects the whole world. Now, this is a global
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  Speaker 2: energy crisis. Even if the piece were restored today, even
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  Speaker 2: if the straight or hor moves were open today, you
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  Speaker 2: will take them at least six months to bring the
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  Speaker 2: production back up to the pre war level, just just
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  Speaker 2: for the fact they have to they have to rebuild everything.
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  Speaker 2: Number four, the parties will allow early and save passage
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  Speaker 2: of civilian and commercial ships and restore normal passage through
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  Speaker 2: the Strait as soon as possible. Of course, this is
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  Speaker 2: something that pretty much all everyone wanted. They want to
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  Speaker 2: return to normal. They want to be able to pass
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  Speaker 2: this great or hormones. And Number five conclusion of Agreement
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  Speaker 2: for establishing a comprehensive peace framework based on principle of
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  Speaker 2: UN Charter and International Law. Yeah, I mean again, this
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  Speaker 2: is also aim tour United States. US obviously carry out
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  Speaker 2: this aggression against you wrong without regards for you and
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  Speaker 2: Charter and international law and h and go back number two.
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  Speaker 2: You know there's a specific clauses.
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  Speaker 1: I love the number second point. This is the best
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  Speaker 1: point in the entire thing. It goes against everything almost.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh and and and and then go back
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  Speaker 2: to number two. You know, all party must commit to
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  Speaker 2: reframe from the use or the threat of use of four.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sorry number three. Uh wait wait, the security.
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  Speaker 1: Of non military targets, the principle of protecting civilian and military.
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  Speaker 2: All right, right, that people both that they should reframe
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  Speaker 2: from attacking peaceful nuclear infrastructure such as a nuclear power plant.
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  Speaker 2: Now this again, this is something that the United States
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  Speaker 2: and Israel has done in the past. It claimed that
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  Speaker 2: Iran's nuclear facility is for producing weapons. So so these
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  Speaker 2: are basically to get This is kind of the assurance
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  Speaker 2: that you run wanted Ran will just wants guarantee that
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  Speaker 2: there will be no further attacks. And I think it's
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  Speaker 2: a good proposal. But whether you know this will be
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  Speaker 2: accepted by both sideses remain to be seen. I think,
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  Speaker 2: you know, for this to work, there has to be
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  Speaker 2: interest from either side too for a peaceful uh peaceful settlement,
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  Speaker 2: you know. And and a lot has to come from
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  Speaker 2: United States and Israel because they're the party who initiated
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  Speaker 2: the conflict, and especially in their sneak attack during previous negotiations.
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  Speaker 2: So the guarantees, the guarantee, the safety guarantee that you're
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  Speaker 2: wrong stop must be you know this, this thing must
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  Speaker 2: be guaranteed. And how is that going to be guaranteed that,
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  Speaker 2: you know? We have to see how they can work
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  Speaker 2: out a mechanism for that for that to work. But
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  Speaker 2: I think China does carry the weight and can put
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  Speaker 2: its weight behind such security guarantees.
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  Speaker 1: So so let's go back to point number two, the
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  Speaker 1: start of peace talks as soon as possible. Sovereignity, territorial integrity,
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  Speaker 1: national independence, and the security of Iran and the Gulf
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  Speaker 1: States should be safeguarded. This is like all these points
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  Speaker 1: are for the US. It's like aimed at the US.
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  Speaker 1: China and Parkan supports and the relevant parties in initiating
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  Speaker 1: talks with all parties committing to peaceful resolution of disputes
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  Speaker 1: and refrain from the use of or threat of use
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  Speaker 1: of force during the peace talks. I think you are right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean to this to land the will to go
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  Speaker 1: forward on this is very important.
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  Speaker 3: But before all this happened, Karl, there was this.
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  Speaker 1: Meeting between the let me just bring you back, between
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  Speaker 1: the foreign ministers here in Pakistan. The Turkish foreign minister
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  Speaker 1: was here, the Saudi foreign minister were here, was here,
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  Speaker 1: the Egyptian was here, and Pakistani and they went through
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  Speaker 1: like a discussion, a meeting on peace talks here and
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  Speaker 1: then after that our foreign minister came to China. So
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  Speaker 1: it's not only these guys on the table. As you said,
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  Speaker 1: there is a chance that the US also has something
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  Speaker 1: in this.
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  Speaker 3: They are in this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like right now, these are fuelers. You know,
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  Speaker 2: these are basically trial balloons. They're going to flow these
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  Speaker 2: ideas out there and see how whether there will be
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  Speaker 2: any acceptance. And for I think it's a start. I
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  Speaker 2: think it's a good start. You know, as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: Pakistan has contact with the Golf Arab States. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's also their wish to bring this conflict to an
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  Speaker 2: end as soon as possible because right now the Golf
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  Speaker 2: States is unable to sell their energy. You know, every
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  Speaker 2: day they're not selling their oil and gas. That's lots
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  Speaker 2: of money that they're not making. And they also not
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  Speaker 2: only they can't sell their oil, they also cannot import
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  Speaker 2: you know, the Golf States that depend heavily on import
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  Speaker 2: of food and everything else, so they need the restoration
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  Speaker 2: of the safe patches, passage through the street or home moves,
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  Speaker 2: and and you know, the I think the guarantee, the
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  Speaker 2: guarantee for Iran's territorial integrity and independency is important because
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  Speaker 2: Iran only start retaliation after US and israel initiative attack.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, if you there wasn't attack on Iran,
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  Speaker 2: you know straight o, Hormoz will still be open. And
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  Speaker 2: so it all circle back to how can we hold
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  Speaker 2: us and Israel accountable? You know, how can we make
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  Speaker 2: sure if they do enter into the negotiation, they will
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  Speaker 2: do it in good faith and they will not repeat
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  Speaker 2: their mischief of the past, which is to attack you
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  Speaker 2: run while in negotiation. Everything rests on that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's the importance of the treaty. These treaties or agreement
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  Speaker 2: is not the paper on which it's written. It's too
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  Speaker 2: rebuild trust right now, Iran simply has no trust in
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  Speaker 2: the United States because you know, because the very perfidious
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  Speaker 2: way that US carry out is sneak attack in the past.
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  Speaker 2: But again, US has to be I think for US
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  Speaker 2: and Israel, because this is a war for for particular
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  Speaker 2: United States, this is a war of choice for Iran.
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  Speaker 2: This is a war of survival. You know, they had
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  Speaker 2: no choice. They're fighting an existential fight for their own survival.
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  Speaker 2: But for this is a war of choice for United States.
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  Speaker 2: So US actually can choose to walk away, even though
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  Speaker 2: it is a hard pill to swallow for reasons. I
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  Speaker 2: mentioned that Iran would want United States out of the region.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, then I think, I think it does
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  Speaker 2: not benefit the United States to keep the to to
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  Speaker 2: keep tracking out the war. So and and I and
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's Trump's intention to have a you know,
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  Speaker 2: like a Vietnam style quadmire in the West Asia. So
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  Speaker 2: I think I think he's looking for a way out.
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  Speaker 2: And now it's just come down to details whether you
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  Speaker 2: wrong will accept those terms.
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  Speaker 1: How do you look at Pakistan's position in all this?
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  Speaker 1: I mean stating through the storm, having a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of everyone on the looks impossible, but it is like
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  Speaker 1: unfolding in front of our eyes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Pakistan is uniquely situated in that it
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  Speaker 2: has good relationship with all the golf Arab states UH,
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  Speaker 2: it has good relationship with the United States, and it
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  Speaker 2: has good relationship with China. So it's a perfect goal
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  Speaker 2: between UH and and and So this is why this
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  Speaker 2: is a joint statement by both Pakistan and China joined proposal.
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  Speaker 2: And and you know, you know that Pakistan probably already
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  Speaker 2: talk over with the Golf States before they bring brought
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  Speaker 2: up up this proposal. So essentially this proposal is what
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  Speaker 2: also what the golf Arab States would want, would like
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  Speaker 2: to see happen. And this is the thing, like if
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  Speaker 2: it just if the region was left to itself, the
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  Speaker 2: golf Arab States and Iran can perfectly make they can
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  Speaker 2: make peace on their own. You know, that's not the problem.
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  Speaker 2: The problem really is in the United States, you know,
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  Speaker 2: which he interjected itself into the region, and I think
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  Speaker 2: you can't really count on us, you know, good intentions,
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  Speaker 2: because we know he has none. So the only thing
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  Speaker 2: is you got to stop the United States and convinced
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  Speaker 2: that it's fruitless and futile trying to pursue its current strategy.
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  Speaker 2: I think Iran is doing a good job. You know, Iran,
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  Speaker 2: they have been they had really exposed what a paper
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  Speaker 2: tiger US military is, you know, not only rendering thirteen
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  Speaker 2: US bases uninhabitable, but they just yesterday they hit the
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  Speaker 2: the Prince Salton Air Base in Saudi Arabia where they
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  Speaker 2: destroyed two two advanced East three century A wax plane. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the A wax plane they're very they played a very
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  Speaker 2: important role. They're like the eyes, you know, as we
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  Speaker 2: have talked about during the Indian Pakistan conflict, the Pakistan's
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  Speaker 2: A wax plane planes played a pivotal role in shooting
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  Speaker 2: down of the Indian raphole jets. But this is what
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  Speaker 2: you wrang, so you play it perfectly. You ran. First,
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  Speaker 2: it took out the radars for UH, for the US
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  Speaker 2: Advanced Anti Missile FAT system. So without radars, those one
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  Speaker 2: billion dollar FAT launcher is useless. They don't know what
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  Speaker 2: you shoot. They don't know what you shoot. And then
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  Speaker 2: they attacked the communications centers at US basis, and then
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  Speaker 2: they attacked the the A wax plane which was brought
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  Speaker 2: in to serve as a backup communications center. So now
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  Speaker 2: you run. Basically they have blinded the US military again,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and and and we can again and we
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  Speaker 2: can also see that uh. You know, during the recent
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  Speaker 2: footages of people shot on their phone cameras of attack
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  Speaker 2: either on in Tel Aviv, Israel, or on US basis
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  Speaker 2: at Prince Salton Air Base, there was very little advance warning.
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  Speaker 2: So this tells me, you know, the whole early warning
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  Speaker 2: system of the US military has been broken. Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: this is why they have suffered so many losses.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we actually had section in the in the questions
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  Speaker 1: the biggest asset that have been down, that have been garbaged,
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  Speaker 1: you've mentioned some What do you think about the F
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  Speaker 1: thirty five?
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  Speaker 3: Do you think they have been like hit.
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  Speaker 2: Well F thirty five, Yeah, for sure, I mean it
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  Speaker 2: seems okay. So this is the thing, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: dependagon that they have been spinning all kinds of tails
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  Speaker 2: to justify there. This is a malfunction. Their uss Ford
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  Speaker 2: have a laundry room fire, right, a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Somehow the laundry room fire took thirty hours to put out,
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  Speaker 2: and they lost all their beds. And now that aircraft,
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  Speaker 2: most advanced aircraft carrier have had to be told to
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  Speaker 2: back the poor for forty month maintenance, which really means
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  Speaker 2: it's probably going to take two years and so and
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  Speaker 2: then you have got in front of the televisions and
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  Speaker 2: say there were they saw seventeen Iranian missiles come in
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  Speaker 2: to the left, to the right, you know. And the
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  Speaker 2: great thing about John is he has no filter. He
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  Speaker 2: just basically said, yeah, it was the Uranian missiles that
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  Speaker 2: did it. I mean, at this time they might as
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  Speaker 2: well admit it was the Iranian missile. It's it's far
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  Speaker 2: less embarrassing to say Iranian missile hit US and say
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  Speaker 2: it's some laundry room fire that took out our most
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  Speaker 2: advanced aircraft carrier. So the United States even though he
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  Speaker 2: claimed to possess of eleven aircraft carrier but actually you
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  Speaker 2: can only deploy four attack groups at any given time.
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  Speaker 2: And right now you had before they had US's Ford
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  Speaker 2: and US is Lincoln. US's fort is out, US is
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  Speaker 2: Lincoln has put a thousand kilometer between ed and the
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  Speaker 2: shore of you wrong, they're hiding behind the mountains of
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  Speaker 2: ol Man, you know, to hide from the Uranian missiles.
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  Speaker 2: Now the US is sending another US aircraft carrier group
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  Speaker 2: to replace you know, US is four. But it's there's
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  Speaker 2: no good option for the United States. Now they say
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  Speaker 2: they want to reopen the street or Hormos, you know
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  Speaker 2: straight home Mooves was opened before you attack Iran. And
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  Speaker 2: they are also sending the Marines a eighty second airborne.
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  Speaker 2: And now there's a Wall Street Journal reported or was
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  Speaker 2: in New York Times report it. Now the total additional
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  Speaker 2: troops are bringing to the region will reach seventeen thousand,
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  Speaker 2: But seventeen thousand is like peanuts when you want when
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  Speaker 2: you're going against Iraq. During the Iraq War, United States
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  Speaker 2: mobilized a quarter million troops, right, I mean, like US.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think US even had that kind of se
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  Speaker 2: lift capability anymore because you know, back then they could
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  Speaker 2: still deploy all those troops because people might might not
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  Speaker 2: have realized this. Back in during the Iraq War twenty
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  Speaker 2: years ago, twenty they had more ships. Simply, the US
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  Speaker 2: Navy was a lot bigger. You they had more ships.
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  Speaker 2: The US Army still had those army transport ships that
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  Speaker 2: allowed them to shift a quarter million troops to the region.
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  Speaker 2: Now they don't have that anymore. This is why they're
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  Speaker 2: trying to do this. Or we're gonna send special forces,
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna send the Marines, We're gonna send eighty second
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  Speaker 2: Airborne to do what exactly. They talk about capturing the
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  Speaker 2: car Island, which is the main facility for Iran for
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  Speaker 2: oil export. But even if you catch first of all
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  Speaker 2: the car Island sits deep inside the Persian Gulf, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they have to somehow bypass the street or Hormose. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: they could use bases in Kuwait uh to do it.
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  Speaker 2: But even if they do capture the island, that still
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  Speaker 2: does not open the street or hor Moose. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the car island is over here. The street or hor
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  Speaker 2: Moose is over here, and and uh, what are they
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  Speaker 2: gonna do? And they're gonna launch an amphibious assault on
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  Speaker 2: the street or Hormose. I mean, the Uranian coastline is
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  Speaker 2: very jagged, it's lined with mountain ranges. If they want
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  Speaker 2: to do like amphibious landing, you would you would be
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  Speaker 2: like another Gallipoli. You know, for people who don't know,
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  Speaker 2: Gallipoli is this World War One campaign when US when
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  Speaker 2: the Ally Forces try to break through the uh the
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  Speaker 2: boss for a straight into Black Sea in order to
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  Speaker 2: supply Russia. But the Ottoman Turks held Gallipoli and uh
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  Speaker 2: pin the ally forces done. This is what we're looking
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  Speaker 2: at here. I mean, this is exact what kind of
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  Speaker 2: terrain on the coast of Iran and uh, it's it's
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  Speaker 2: and now they're floating out ideas, say there's a plan
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: to send special forces to capture Uran's nuclear material. Now
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: of all the plans that was that must be the
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: stupidest plan coming out of Washington. And that's saying a lot.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: And it's right now, they're just throwing ship on the
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: wall to see what sticks. And so I so this
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: is why I do think there's there might be the
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: choos to you know, maybe US is also given its
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: blessing to the Pakistan uh uh foreign minister traveling to
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: China to pro to to to come up with the
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: peace proposal.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I mean there is yeah, it's it's actually, it's actually
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: you can see it. He wants to wiggle out of this.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: This is why this you can see a relationships slowly,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: slowly coming into it. We were talking about essays American
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: ads is being attacked. Yesterday night, the i r GC
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: came out and said that they're going to attack the
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: tech companies here in the region, which includes Meta.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Apple, HP, Microsoft.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Are these legit targets and the data centers that happen
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: attacked earlier, how do you look at them?
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure, I mean Palanteer, they are deeply embedded with
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: the US military, you know during the whole uh, not
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: just US military but Israel as well. You know, in
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Israel's uh genocide against Gaza. They use Palenteer to select targets,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: and you know the same same with United States. They
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: use these Palenteer and UH cloud Cloud which is fund
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: and Tropics another AI company to to select to to
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: do target selection. So yeah, that makes them legitimate target
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: And and guess what all these AI companies they they thought, okay,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: they're being smart by building their data center in the
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: in the Golf region because AI is very energy intensive,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: so they thought, okay, we'll just go We'll just put
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: our data center where the where the oil and gas are.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: And so now they're all under the thread of Urani
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: and Jones and missouts. I mean it's great. I'm all
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: all for it. You know, it's time. It's time these uh,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: these AI companies, these tech companies being brought accountable. You know,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: they're the ones who have been abling this US aggression
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: against Iran.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're they're like keep away to all their
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: employees one kilimeter away from the building. And it starts
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: from tonight around time eight pm. The warning starts from tonight.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: So and the companies include or Dell Valenteer. You know
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: what happened between Valenteer and Sam Altman came in and
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: now everything that Vallenteer was doing, Sam Altman is doing.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: So they are legit targets and there is a reason,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: and I think Iran is pretty sharp on these. They
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: know a lot more than they tell people