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The Late Debate | 26 May · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. I'm James MacPerson with Dnika.
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  Speaker 3: To Georgio and Caleb Bond for another episode of The
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  Speaker 3: Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: You all fired up?
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  Speaker 1: Caleb, mate? What else would I be? Come on, it's
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  Speaker 1: serious date. If I'm gonna ask question start of this program,
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  Speaker 1: don't make him stupid ones.
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  Speaker 4: Fairly and ask rhetorical questions basically, but.
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  Speaker 1: It was just a stupid question. Have I fired up?
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  Speaker 1: Let's just pay me for.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: I'd ask you a question, Danika, but I'm scared to
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  Speaker 3: so let's just get the show. Here's what's coming up
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  Speaker 3: to In his places, Julia Gillard heckled and branded a
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  Speaker 3: destroyer of women's rights while appearing at a UK writers festival.
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  Speaker 3: The ALP asks supporters for ten dollars donations to help
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  Speaker 3: stop the rise of one nation and how much leave
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  Speaker 3: do staff.
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  Speaker 2: Members really need? You've got and you leave sick leave, personally.
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  Speaker 3: Climate change leave, gender transition leave. At this rate, I
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  Speaker 3: think Australians will need to apply for his permission to
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  Speaker 3: actually turn up. But first, six Isis Bribes returned to
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  Speaker 3: Australia late this afternoon along with their thirteen children, or
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  Speaker 3: as ISIS members like to call them cubs of the Caliphate.
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  Speaker 2: The timing is nuts.
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  Speaker 3: These Caliphate dropouts returned to Australia in the middle of
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  Speaker 3: a Royal commission into anti Semitism, and as ASIO boss
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  Speaker 3: Mike Burgess warns, another BONDEI.
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  Speaker 2: Style terror attack is highly likely.
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  Speaker 3: I suspect though the timing rather suits the Albanese government.
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  Speaker 3: After all, they'd probably prefer Australians discussing ISIS brides arriving
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  Speaker 3: in Sydney and Melbourne than discussing the latest installment of
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  Speaker 3: liar in the Lodge. Speaking of the government, Home Affairs
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  Speaker 3: Minister Tony Burke was continuing to insist today that labor
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  Speaker 3: had nothing at all to do with the arrival of
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  Speaker 3: the latest ISIS cohort. He released this statement saying the
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  Speaker 3: government has not and will not provide any assistance to
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  Speaker 3: this group. These are people who have made the horrific
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  Speaker 3: choice to join a dangerous terrorist organization and to place
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  Speaker 3: their children in an unspeakable situation. As we've said many times,
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  Speaker 3: any members of this cohort who have committed crimes can
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  Speaker 3: expect to face the full force of the law. So
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  Speaker 3: here's what I don't understand Tony Burke says in his statement,
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  Speaker 3: these people joined a terrorist organization his words, So who
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  Speaker 3: in their right mind allows such people back into the country.
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  Speaker 3: And the government wants Australians to believe two things at
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  Speaker 3: the same time. First that ISIS is unimaginably dangerous and
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  Speaker 3: that importing former ISIS members is perfectly manageable.
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  Speaker 2: This is a complete contradiction, Caleb.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed, and I don't understand under the rules about well,
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  Speaker 1: there are two things. One is you can not give
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  Speaker 1: out a passport if you don't want to. So that
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  Speaker 1: was the first point at which the government could have
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  Speaker 1: done something about this, but they decided that they would
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  Speaker 1: issue those passports. That, of course doctor Jamal Riffi then
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  Speaker 1: took over to Syria. Number two is that you can
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  Speaker 1: then deny someone entry into the country, which of course
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  Speaker 1: they have done for one of the women who is
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  Speaker 1: still now in Syria. I think there's two of them
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  Speaker 1: so far. It was one in the first lot and
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  Speaker 1: one in the second lot, who they deny entry because
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  Speaker 1: they believe that they would be a danger to Australia. Now,
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  Speaker 1: under the rules, you can exclude someone if they are
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  Speaker 1: an indirect threat, so you don't necessarily need to say, well,
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  Speaker 1: they're planning to blow anything up. I would have thought
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  Speaker 1: that having joined a terrorist organization, or at the very
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  Speaker 1: least having gone overseas to marry someone who was actively
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  Speaker 1: involved in a terrorist organization, would be enough to have
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  Speaker 1: you deemed an indirect threat to your country because you
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  Speaker 1: left that country to go and put yourself in that situation.
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  Speaker 1: And how are we to know what any of these
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  Speaker 1: women or their children actually believe. Now they may have
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  Speaker 1: gone full me a coulper, but I don't know that
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  Speaker 1: and orders the government or anyone else, because it's not
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  Speaker 1: like we've sent anyone over there to do diplomatic work
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  Speaker 1: and find out what they really think. Surely we have
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  Speaker 1: all the evidence in front of it to say that
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  Speaker 1: these women were an indirect threat and so were their children,
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  Speaker 1: and so they should never have been allowed into the country.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a strange situation as well, where previously you'll
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  Speaker 1: remember this second lot of women and kids tried to
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  Speaker 1: leave the al Roje camp after the first lot, and
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  Speaker 1: they were turned around because the Syrian authorities said that
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  Speaker 1: they'd been told by Australian authorities that they didn't want them,
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  Speaker 1: so they turned them around. And sent them back to
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  Speaker 1: the camp. Now, clearly at some point since then that
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  Speaker 1: advice has changed because the Syrian authorities let them through
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  Speaker 1: this time. So for the government to claim that they've
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  Speaker 1: had no involvement in it and that they have not
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  Speaker 1: assisted them is absolute garbage. Of course they have. They
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  Speaker 1: have plenty of opportunities to deny the entry and they
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  Speaker 1: simply refuse to do it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, and you're right because the Passport Act is
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  Speaker 5: very very clear. It says a passport can be denied
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  Speaker 5: if someone might prejudice the security of Australia. Now the
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  Speaker 5: government has known about this four months now. So what
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  Speaker 5: exactly have they done? They have sat on their hands,
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  Speaker 5: and yet we get these half our statements from Tony
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  Speaker 5: Burke every single time another isis bride arrives where they
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  Speaker 5: go No, well, look it has nothing to do with us,
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  Speaker 5: nothing to see here. Hello, you are the government in charge.
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  Speaker 5: Of course it has absolutely everything to do with you.
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  Speaker 5: The other thing that really bothered me about the scenes
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  Speaker 5: we saw tonight. Firstly was that a camera as sorry,
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  Speaker 5: a photographer, his camera was actually looked like it was
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  Speaker 5: pushed into his face almost it was hit. And we
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  Speaker 5: know how dangerous that can be and if you know
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  Speaker 5: anything about cameras that can actually really slice your eye,
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  Speaker 5: it's actually very very dangerous around that area.
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  Speaker 4: One.
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  Speaker 1: Two.
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  Speaker 5: I actually I think this might be the scenes that
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  Speaker 5: were seeing on our screen right now.
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  Speaker 4: Two.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, So we had nineteen women and children arrive. The
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  Speaker 5: ones that arrived in Melbourne, some of them went through
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  Speaker 5: a side door. The AFP said that they did provide
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  Speaker 5: assistance leaving the air quote because it was in the
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  Speaker 5: interest of airport security to do so. And then the
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  Speaker 5: other women, the four women and six children who arrived
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  Speaker 5: in Sydney were whisked away in cars provided by the
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  Speaker 5: government after they arrived. Now that bothered me significantly out
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  Speaker 5: of everything that's occurred tonight, because they got a free pass,
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  Speaker 5: side door, whisked away in government vehicles. What about Ben
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  Speaker 5: Robert Smith who was paraded off a plane in front
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  Speaker 5: of the cameras like a show pony, and these women
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  Speaker 5: and children.
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  Speaker 4: Got the side door to go out the back.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, the double standards are just incredible, absolutely just incredible.
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  Speaker 5: Now we're going to find out more about these women,
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  Speaker 5: you know, in the coming days.
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  Speaker 4: But I just think here we go again. It's deja vu.
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  Speaker 5: And the government is sitting on its hands and blaming
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  Speaker 5: everybody else but itself.
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  Speaker 3: The Police put out a statement late tonight saying joint
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  Speaker 3: counter terrorism teams had met the cohort at Sydney and
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  Speaker 3: Melbourne airports, they had searched their belongings and they had
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  Speaker 3: downloaded stuff from any devices that they had no charges
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  Speaker 3: laid tonight, but police promise to keep Australians updated if
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  Speaker 3: any developments were forthcoming.
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  Speaker 1: Where do we need to go through this palava in
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  Speaker 1: the first place? I mean, there's this argument about all
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  Speaker 1: their Australian citizens and so therefore we can't deny them
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  Speaker 1: the opportunity as we've been through. There other methods they
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  Speaker 1: could have used to not issue them passports or to
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  Speaker 1: then not allow them back into the country. What is
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  Speaker 1: there really for us to gain in allowing them to
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  Speaker 1: come back so we can then assess whether they've committed
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  Speaker 1: a crime that we can charge them with, and so
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  Speaker 1: what we can then spend millions of dollars going through
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  Speaker 1: court cases and then potentially locking them up. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what do we spents like one hundred and fifty grand
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  Speaker 1: a year to keep someone in prison?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Why bother? We don't need to. They've already nailed their
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  Speaker 1: colors to the mass by leaving the country. Just leave
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  Speaker 1: them over there, you know, I know it gets legally
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  Speaker 1: dicey when you're trying to exclude a citizen in perpetuity
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  Speaker 1: from a country. But surely by leaving the country and
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  Speaker 1: going to join a terror organization you have removed your
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  Speaker 1: allegiance to Australia.
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  Speaker 5: The other thing is is it's not just that. It's
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  Speaker 5: not just the court costs, if there are any charges laid.
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  Speaker 5: The other issue is the welfare benefits that are going
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  Speaker 5: to cost the average tax payer, and we're talking, you know,
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  Speaker 5: tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars.
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  Speaker 5: Plus then of course there's care for the children. In
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  Speaker 5: the last cohort that arrived a couple of weeks back,
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  Speaker 5: there was this bizarre provision of the kids might undergo
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  Speaker 5: deradicalization programs. What's this might they they would be offered
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  Speaker 5: the opportunity was a yes or a no. But I mean,
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  Speaker 5: these kids are about to re enter the school system.
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  Speaker 5: As a parent, sir, I'd be really concerned. I would
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  Speaker 5: raise concerns.
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  Speaker 3: The other cost you've forgot to mention is surveillance. Good
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  Speaker 3: point of these people that it's incredibly expensive. The ABC
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  Speaker 3: had an interesting article, I think it was today or yesterday,
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  Speaker 3: arguing that if you leave these people overseas and deny
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  Speaker 3: them any opportunity to return to Australia, that's a propaganda
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  Speaker 3: victory for Islamists because the Australian government is incredibly unfair
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  Speaker 3: and persecuting Muslims. However, if you bring them back, the
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  Speaker 3: ABC article argued, and they faced the full force of
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  Speaker 3: the law, that would be a deterrent to people behaving
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  Speaker 3: in this way in the future. I would have thought
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  Speaker 3: the greater deterrent is you never allowed back into Australia.
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  Speaker 4: Would be exactly correct.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, would you be more scared of having to live
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  Speaker 1: on the other side of the world, never seeing your
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  Speaker 1: family again, or maybe having to go to.
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  Speaker 3: Well, even a prison in Australia would be better than
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  Speaker 3: a camp in serious So that is the greater punishment
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  Speaker 3: I'd been left where you are?
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  Speaker 1: I just I do not understand it. This was Jamal
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  Speaker 1: Rifho we mentioned em earlier. Is the guy who took
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  Speaker 1: the passports over there and has been supporting them. This
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  Speaker 1: is Jamal Raffe this morning.
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  Speaker 6: So definitely made zurrong decisions. But once they are in here,
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  Speaker 6: if they've done or they've broken any Australian laws, they
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  Speaker 6: go through the judicial process and we have full confidence
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  Speaker 6: and that process, and we don't agree it was anything
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  Speaker 6: that isis have done or what main concern is the
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  Speaker 6: safety of zoos children and to get them proper education
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  Speaker 6: and because they need to feel safe and secure.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, maybe if their mothers hadn't gone overseas
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  Speaker 1: and married men who were fighting for a terrorist organization,
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  Speaker 1: they wouldn't be in that position. Maybe harsh to say,
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  Speaker 1: but it is the reality. Now, let's talk about something
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  Speaker 1: a little lighter, shall we. It pertains particularly to my
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  Speaker 1: co host sitting in the middle here right now, when
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  Speaker 1: you try to call someone on the phone, or let's
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  Speaker 1: even go back a few steps. You seend someone a
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  Speaker 1: text message, right and then they don't want to reply
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  Speaker 1: to the text message. They call you up on the
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  Speaker 1: phone and said, this is what James McPherson does all
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  Speaker 1: the time. You send him at he will give you
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  Speaker 1: a call. If you then try to call him at
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  Speaker 1: any other time he doesn't answer the phone, you kind
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  Speaker 1: of got to send it. It's like sending a bat signal.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to send the text message first, then you'll
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  Speaker 1: get a phone call. But it's all part of this
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  Speaker 1: broader thing. Now we're apparently younger people in particular are
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  Speaker 1: scared to answer the phone. They don't pick up the
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  Speaker 1: phone anymore. It's text message and that's it. If you
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  Speaker 1: want to get hold of someone, do not go do
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  Speaker 1: do do do do They're not going to answer the
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  Speaker 1: phone now. There was a column today in the Sydney
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  Speaker 1: Morning Herald by Zoya Patel about this, in which she
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  Speaker 1: writes that there is nothing worse you could do to
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  Speaker 1: me then call my mobile. Nothing nothing worse, literally, nothing worse.
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  Speaker 1: You know, old uncle Chop Chop could be pulling toenails
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  Speaker 1: out of her Not as bad as getting on the telephone,
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  Speaker 1: She says, when my phone rings, I feel irritation mingled
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  Speaker 1: with fear. Nothing good ever comes from a phone call.
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  Speaker 1: And importantly, a phone call does not achieve anything that
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  Speaker 1: a text can't do faster and with less impost and
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  Speaker 1: be a number of surveys and studies done on this,
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  Speaker 1: including one that said sixty percent of Australian's age between
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  Speaker 1: eighteen and twenty six said they dreaded making or accepting
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  Speaker 1: a phone call. Now, a few things I have to
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  Speaker 1: pick up on here. There's nothing that a text can't
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  Speaker 1: do faster. Now. Look, I don't know about you, but
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  Speaker 1: sometimes when you try to organize something via text message,
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  Speaker 1: you get called in the weeds because you can't. You
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  Speaker 1: don't get intonation and various other things through text messages.
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  Speaker 1: There are absolutely things that you could do on a
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  Speaker 1: two minute phone call that would otherwise take you backwards
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  Speaker 1: and forwards of texting for ten or twenty minutes. Right,
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  Speaker 1: I just want it done. I've got to get a
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  Speaker 1: task done. You pick up the phone, you get the answer,
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  Speaker 1: end of right. There are absolutely applications where using the
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  Speaker 1: phone is far more efficient. But I don't know, people
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  Speaker 1: seem to have become I don't know whether it's social
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  Speaker 1: anxiety or what it is. Now people just do not
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  Speaker 1: want to use the phone at all.
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  Speaker 5: I think we have lost the art of communication. That
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  Speaker 5: is the problem, because we're always behind the phone and
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  Speaker 5: it's just easier, and I think people I just think, no,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not going to make that call because it's too hard,
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  Speaker 5: And I think people are anxious about making a call. Now,
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  Speaker 5: the three of us work in an industry where we
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  Speaker 5: have to make calls. If you're not on the phone,
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  Speaker 5: if you're not organizing things, then you may as well
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  Speaker 5: be in the wrong industry.
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  Speaker 4: I would actually say.
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  Speaker 5: We become pains to be honest. We will absolutely hound
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  Speaker 5: a person to get the information that we want. That
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  Speaker 5: is the nature of the industry we work in. Aside
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  Speaker 5: from James, That's why James is always on the phone.
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  Speaker 5: But I do think it is really an indictment on
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  Speaker 5: this next generation. I think we have lost the art
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  Speaker 5: of knowing how to speak properly. And it comes down
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  Speaker 5: to the influence of social media though. You know what
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  Speaker 5: a lot of people do do is use voice messaging.
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  Speaker 5: You and I voice memo sometimes because.
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  Speaker 1: You want to voice memo, I would respond because I
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  Speaker 1: kind of feel guilty if I don't.
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  Speaker 5: But it's voice message you and you feel obliged to
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  Speaker 5: reply to me here.
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  Speaker 1: But if you want to text them, we'll text. If
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  Speaker 1: you want to talk, pick up the phone.
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  Speaker 2: Why would you prefer a voice memo to an actual.
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  Speaker 5: Like I love voice message my friends and I will
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  Speaker 5: always voice message because it's if I need to tell
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  Speaker 5: them something week. It's just it's a woman thing. It's
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  Speaker 5: just easier voice memo.
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  Speaker 1: The only other person I know who does the same
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  Speaker 1: thing is also a woman, and she sends me voice messages. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: why are you sending me voice message?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah? No, I think when you have to debrief with
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  Speaker 5: your girlfriends, you send a voice message to and from
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  Speaker 5: with each other.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't think that.
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  Speaker 5: But but I do like, I do find like James
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  Speaker 5: with you, for example, I do know.
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  Speaker 2: Talking about are we just getting personal?
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  Speaker 4: I'm trying to make a point.
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  Speaker 5: It's true you when when I send you a text. Yes,
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  Speaker 5: I know that I have to have my phone near
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  Speaker 5: me at all times because I know that you will
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  Speaker 5: immediately call me straight away, which is fine.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not complaining about that strategy.
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  Speaker 5: The question I'm asking is why do you prefer a
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  Speaker 5: phone call over the over a quick back and forth
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  Speaker 5: on text?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, a couple of things. Firstly, it depends where I am.
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  Speaker 3: If I'm going to text you on my phone, that
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  Speaker 3: takes forever. Maybe it's just because my thumb's.
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  Speaker 4: That's I think that's like a boomer thing.
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  Speaker 1: Person.
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  Speaker 2: Be careful.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure James is gen X. He's not a.
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  Speaker 2: Boom I'm jen X.
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  Speaker 3: On the other hand, if I'm sitting on my laptop
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  Speaker 3: and texting via what's that I messaging or whatever on
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  Speaker 3: your mat on your Mac, yeah, I'm happy to tax
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  Speaker 3: it on my laptop because then I can type and
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  Speaker 3: it's quick. But if I'm texting on my phone, it's laborious.
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  Speaker 3: So I'd rather just dial your number and talk.
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  Speaker 2: To you in personally.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, I enjoy it.
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  Speaker 2: I would have thought it was polite to call.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 5: No, no, I'm not I I'm just curious that you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you do pick up the phone in the first instance.
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  Speaker 3: My kids, on the other hand, they much prefer texting
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  Speaker 3: than if I call them, and I think it's because
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  Speaker 3: they're always doing something and they see a phone calls
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  Speaker 3: interrupting whatever it is that they're doing, whereas a text
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  Speaker 3: they can reply immediately or they can reply a minute later,
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  Speaker 3: and they prefer the flexibility of them.
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  Speaker 4: The other thing is, do people.
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  Speaker 1: Not drive though, because I voice text on you can
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  Speaker 1: see ye, I know. But when you're in the car,
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  Speaker 1: it's the perfect time to make phone calls because it's
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  Speaker 1: otherwise dead time, right, So if you've got to get
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  Speaker 1: stuff done, get it done while you're in the car,
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  Speaker 1: while you're driving to and from work or whatever. It is,
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  Speaker 1: like it is the prime time to actually knock some
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: stuff over if it involves a phone call. And the
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: one that really annoys me is all these businesses now
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: want you to use like a live chat thing online
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: if you want to get anything done. I don't want
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: to live chat. I want to pick up the phone
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: and talk to someone, because sometimes there are things that
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: need to be explained and it's a bit hard to
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: explain in the message what you're actually dealing with. Where
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: is if you've got someone on the phone, you can
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: talk them through it. You can get a bit around point.
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: Actually, because I know this, telecommunications companies use this texting
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: line now, like Optus and tell.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Stra is it a real person or is it a bot?
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: It's a bot in the first instance, and then it
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: connects you to a real person once it's established what
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: your problem.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: We ever abused the bot? Like, let me know, why.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Would I do that? No, you only have to think
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: about I will say.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: That's about text messages, and sometimes they get misconstrued. Yes,
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: you know, I might interpret your time. You might send
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: back to me okay, and I'll be like, oh, why
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: is he being stand off?
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: And you know I was watching actually, or.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Or if you're an older male, yeah, the dad's sort
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: of territory. It's just the thumbs up.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: Yes, what is the thumbs up?
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Over time? It's the thumbs up.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: The other thing that the that the this generation don't
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: like is a full stop.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: Have you heard that? Because they believe that.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: A full stop indicates passive aggressiveness and that you are
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: angry at a person, which I just find extraordinary because
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: it's actually just basic grammar. But they say, do not
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: put a full stop because to me, I interpret that
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: as you're angry with me.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Just before we move on from this topic, genuine question, voicemail.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Does anyone use that anymore?
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Or since has texting done away with leaving messages?
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I think texting, for the most part, a handful of
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: people would regularly leave me a voicemail. And they're all
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: over the age of sixty, right. I think it's it's
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: probably a generational thing. I mean, my main problem is
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I get a text or an email or something or
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: a phone call, and I go, I'll get back to
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: that soon, and then I just don't get back to it,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: and then I forget about it, and then a couple
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: of days go by and it's like, oh, is it
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: too late now to apply? Like, does it seem awkward that?
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: Of course it is too late?
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: So what then You've just got to forever forget that
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: you received the phone call or the text message.
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: Well, it's embarrassing for you, isn't it? If you forget that,
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: there's too much time that's passed.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I need a PA, is.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: The because you're so busy. You're just the busiest man
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: on earth. You need a PA.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: Caleb. I mean, give me a break. Seriously, you do
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: not need a PA.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: She should be forgetful. Sometimes that's a.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: To please a PA. Okay, I think we should change
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: that sum check.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: Now about enough of this this, let's talk about Julia Gillard,
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: the former a very random change the former Prime minister name.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: In twenty thirteen, she amended the Sex Discrimination Act where
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: she took out male and female. So, of course gender
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: basic biology. Sex is deemed redundant in this country. So
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: as we know, you could be a biological man and
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: you can suddenly claim that you're a woman.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: It's all very legal, as.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: Sal Grover of the Giggle app knows all too well.
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: In her case, Giggle versus tickle. Well, Julia Gillard was
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: at a UK Writers' Festival event today and members of
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: the audience actually turned on her first. So they were
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: holding up these signs as we can see here Julia Gillard,
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: destroyer of women's rights. And there was one person in
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: the audience here who actually stood up while she was
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: giving this speech. She was on a panel on stage
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: there and yelled out, what about sal Grover. Now what
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: irks me the most is that the former Prime Minister
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: was actually on stage talking about the importance of women
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: being treated fairly.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Well, gee, Julia Gillard.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: What about fairness in the Act which you changed and
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: absolutely destroyed? And here we are, all these years later
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: and we don't know what a woman is in this country.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: In fact, in the Giggle versus Tickle appeal that was
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: held just over a week ago, there was a unanimous
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: decision made by the Court of Appeal and they said, well,
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: we can't do anything about this because the law says
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: it's okay that a biological man can indeed identify as
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: a woman. Extraordinary. The other issue today the Sex Discrimination Commissioner.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: Before I show you what she said today in the
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: Senate Estimates hearing, Anna Cody has paid four hundred thousand
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: dollars on your dime. This is the same Anti Cody
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: who she was asked last year what is a biological man?
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: She said she didn't know because she wasn't a scientist.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: And it just gets worse and worse, and she seems
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: to be tying herself in knots.
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: If someone is who applies for a job, for example,
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: and it is a trans woman, and she may be
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: asked whether or not she intends to have children, and
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: if she replies, yes, I do, and then doesn't get
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: the job because that employer doesn't want to employ women
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: who maybe of childbearing age, then she may have been
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: subjected to unlawful discrimination on the basis of potential pregnancy.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: Potential pregnancy, potential pregnancy involving a biological man. Now, Mikaylia Cash,
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: she was chairing this, then went on to ask Anna Cody,
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: We'll hang on a second. A biological man cannot be pregnant.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: Can you expand on that, to which Anna Coody said, well,
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: the grounds of pregnancy includes potential pregnancy. Where are we
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: going in this country where we seem to think that
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: a man could apparently fall pregnant now if anyone can
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: explain how that works, the piping that's involved, that does
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: a biological man have the pipes involved?
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: I don't think that they do.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: Well. Aps are calling, oh, that that was quite cute,
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: very nice, But this is where we are, and you
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: know what, it all comes down to what Julia Gillard
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: did so good on people actually finally saying hey, what
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: are you doing?
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: I watched about forty five minutes of that Senate Committee
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: hearing this afternoon purely for entertainment value, because it was
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: a lot of fun watching and a Cody tie herself
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: in knots, as you said, trying to avoid saying that
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: it's impossible for a trans woman to for pregnant and
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: maintaining what she knows to be a lie. But she
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: has to say it because that's the way the law is.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: On Julia Gillard.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know why Julia Gillard doesn't come out and
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: apologize for the twenty thirteen Amendment to the Sex Discrimination
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Act and start lobbying for it to be rectified. She
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: could easily claim it was done with good intentions, they
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: honestly didn't foresee the consequences in hindsight, it's wrong. She
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: could become a champion of this issue rather than be
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: held in contempt by women. But I'll tell you what,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: if you're looking for any clarity from the Australian Human
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Rights Commission, clearly Anna Cody was no help, nor was
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: the Commission President Huter Crest. To have a listen to
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: him trying to define what a woman is.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: This is today, asking him from the Commission's perspective, what
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: is a woman?
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: An adult female human? Thank you and includes a transgender woman.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Oh talk about covering all based what is a woman everything?
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Oh we'll just add any other variation on the end
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: of the definition. I suppose I have to go and
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: consult my dictionary when I get home tonight. I've actually
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: got a nineteen seventies Oxford Dictionary. I'll check in that
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: one what it says about what a woman is, because
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: it's probably slightly different to what you might find today.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I mean the fact that this is these are the
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: people we have representing human rights and sex discrimination. And
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: you would have thought that sex would be an operative
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: word here, like it's not. Gender. Sex is an amusable fact.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: There are two sexes. You are born male and female.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: There are a very small number of people who have
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: a genetic problem that causes them to be born with both.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: We call that intersex. But there are two sexes, right.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: All the rest of it is immaterial to sex discrimination.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: You're talking about male and female biological fact. Right. Even
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: if you believe even all this, you know, you could
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: be this gender and that gender, and there are seventy
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: two genders or whatever it is. Sex is two, that's it,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: and these are the people we have represented that.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: It is extraordinary even on that. I think that's even
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: too generous. There's two sexes. There's also two genders this
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: whole You know, gender could be anything you want it
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: to be as rubbish, and that's only a recent.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Thing that happened five minutes.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Of course, I don't choose your own gender, your male
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: or female sex, gender.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: It's all the same thing.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: You could identify as something else, but that's not your gender,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: but that's or your sex.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: But that's my point is that you can identify as
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: anything else. But we should at the same time, even
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: if you believe this stuff, be able to say that
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: sex is fixed. You know, you can believe that you
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: can be anything on the face of the planet, but
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: sex is still fixed. You should be able to acknowledge that,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: and these people should be able to acknowledge that. And
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: on Julia Gillard, I agree. I mean, I know she's
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: kept out of politics largely since she left the world
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: of politics, much to her credit, but she could quite
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: fairly say that when that change was made in twenty thirteen,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: this was not as big of an issue then as
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: it is now. You know, it was simply meant that
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: someone couldn't be sacked because they said they were transgender
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: or whatever. I didn't foresee that it would result in
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: biological men then being allowed into women's spaces, and that
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: wasn't the intent.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: The other thing, why would that be so she was
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: a champion of misogyny? Was she not the champion of
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: women's rights? If she truly cared that deeply about women's rights,
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: she would do exactly as you've said, because right now
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: she has destroyed women's rights.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: It's funny is that Tony Abbott committed the crime of
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: daring to look at his watch while Julia Gillard was speaking,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: and for that he was a misogynist. Meanwhile, you've got
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: these laws that she was responsible for allowing men into
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: women's change rooms.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: It's silly.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: All over the world, but perhaps no sillier than in Scotland,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: where the Scottish Prison Service has released a new guide
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: for staff members. And let me quote to you some
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: of the language used in this Scottish prison guide. They
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: refer in their guide to birth parents and to the
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: parent who gave birth to the.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Baby that would be mother.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I suppose they they refer to employees who have still
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: births when addressing women who lose their child after the
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: twenty fourth week of.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Pregnancy, that would be mother.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: I expect they also refer to expectant employees, employees who
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: are breastfeeding, and they talk about facilities for employees to
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: express milk. Now, what makes this even more ridiculous is
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: that this comes months after the Supreme Court in the
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: UK ruled that for the purposes of law, sex refers
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: to a biological man and the biological woman. And yet
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: there are those within the system who are so committed
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: not just to this ideology but to its seeping into
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: every aspect of society. They defy the Supreme Court and
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: continue to put out rubbish.
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: Like so they not only have raised women's rights, they
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: now want to eraise mothers. And I think that it's
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: such an experience for a woman to go through, to
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: go through childbirth, to have that experience from beginning to end,
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: and this basically makes that whole process redundant.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: By raising these.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: Words, you know, it's actually denying basic reality.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: Can I give them some credit though, because I would
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: give credit to the Scottish prison system over the New
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: South Wales state government here, because at least they're being consistent,
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: like a man can either be a woman or not,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: whereas here in Australia, in New South Wales you can
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: be a woman as long as you don't commit a
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: terrible crime and need to go to women's prison, in
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: which case now you're a man again.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Chris Min's is trying.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: To have it both ways, right, So at least the
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Scottish system being consistent.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Completely off the reservation, that only half off the reservation.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Well you might as well have some principles, whereas in
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: New South Wales it's a bobby each way.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure I agree with that. I'd say i'd
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: rather than New South Wales cis than the Scottish system,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: to be perfectly frank, the problem with this is that
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: once you start controlling the language, which is what they're
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: trying to do, you then start to control every other parameter.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, language is such an important part of how
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: culture is built and how understanding is built, and that's
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: why they go for language. They want to change the language.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Not just oh, you know, we're trying not to be offensive,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: that's just the vanguard. It's actually because if you can
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: control language, you can start to control thought. That's what
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: this is really all about. And as you say, it
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: is the erasure of women. And it is insane because
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: the stated aim, as I just said, it's not the
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: actual aim, but the stated aim is to you know,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: offend as few people as possible. Well, in the process,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: you a end up offending women who feel like, well,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: why can't I be mentioned right, Because let's be frank,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: it's not men who get dudded in these changes of language,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: it's women. And so they go, well, why am I
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: being cut out here? But also I would be willing
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: to gamble that even the vast majority of transgender people
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: would not be offended by the use of the word mother.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Like to show me all these people who are offended
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: by the use of the word mother. It's a small
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: minority of probably transgender people who are mad about this stuff.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Most of the people who are offended by it are
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: actually like straight lefties who get offended on everyone else's behalf.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: It's just garbage. It doesn't need to happen, it shouldn't exist,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: and I think it's really pernicious in the way that
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: it operates. Speaking of pernicious, if you ask the ALP,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: they would say, oh, the rise of one nation is
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: such a threat, which is interesting, of course, because all
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: the talk thus far, or certainly up until recently, has
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: been about how one nation is sort of mussing in
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: on the coalition's territory. But we're starting to see the
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: signs that the government and the Labor Party are worried
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: as well. I mean, never let an opportunity go to waste, right,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: So they are now saying we have the answer. We
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: will solve the rise of one nation, so long as
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: you dip into your pocket and give the ALP ten dollars. Yes.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Then now we're campaigning online with these sorts of social
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: media posts, one that says important alert to Labor supporters,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: one nation is on the rise. This is still early,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: but we can't let them gain any more momentum. We
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: are building the campaign needed to respond now before it escalates.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: That includes reaching voters directly and countering misinformation in key seats.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: We need additional resources to do this properly. If you
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: can please contribute twenty seven dollars a day to und
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: this important work now. It's interesting that it says in
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: there we need to reach voters directly and counter misinformation
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: in key areas. This is the boldest declaration I've seen
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: from the Labor thus far that they now recognize that
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: one nation is not just muscling in on coalition territory,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: it's muscling in on their territory too. There's another one
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: that said Pauline Hanson thinks she can form government with
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Angus Taylor. If they win, working people pay the price
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: through cuts to public services and the text on wages.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: We are ready to fight back, but we need your help.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Can you contribute ten bucks or whatever you can today
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: to help Labor expose the gap between one nation's voting
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: record and what they say. Labor is scared and pretty
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: clear in this form too, they are worried that one
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: nation is coming for them as well.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: Don't forget there was that poll over the weekend which
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: suggested should an election be held today, one nation would
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: actually be the federal opposition and it would be the
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: Liberal Party who would lose so many seats in the
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: Nationals would be basically wiped out, so label sets.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: And Labor would lose eighteen seats.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: You know, the most extraordinary part of this is you've
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: got labor.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Everything is going backwards under labor.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: Our lives are getting more difficult, everything is more expensive.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: Yet they still want you to donate ten dollars to
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: their cause. Even now, they're still just trying to rip
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: you off and get money out of you at every
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: single turn. And you know when they do this sort
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: of thing, it actually makes Pauline Enhansen more and more popular.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: Here is the thing they can put out these ads,
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: they can do it, which they've apparently deleted now on
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: their social media. They've obviously realized howpathetic they look. But
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: what they the left have not understood. The left have
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: not kept up. One nation has been ahead of the curve.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: Australia has changed, and I think Australia changed particularly on
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: the day of the Bondai massacre, and that is when
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: one nation's popularity really took off from there. And what
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: have we seen since labor. Since then, we've just had
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: more ice as brides coming to this country tonight. So
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: they are behind, is what I'm saying. They haven't caught up,
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: and they wonder why now they're having to put out
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: these ads.
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  Speaker 3: So three quick things. Number one, it's a compliment to
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: one nation. Really, Labour see one nation as a threat.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Number Two, it's good fundraising strategy. To raise money. You
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: need an enemy, you need a threat, So make one
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: nation the enemy and feel the labor coffers.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: It's just good fundraising.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: And Third, I don't think labor mind changing the conversation
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: away from we have a housing shortage to wew aren't
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: one nation a bunch of xenophobic you know, bigots? And
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: so it works for labor in that aspect as well. Yeah,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: basically it's a compliment to.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: One I completely agree.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: Well, one wonder is really why you want to be
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: an employer in this country right now?
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: You've got stress leave.
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: Sometimes it's mandatory in some companies. I mean, for goodness sake,
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: you're basically throwing money here, there and everywhere. But have
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: a look at some of the workplace entitlements that are
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: being thrown up in certain organizations now I'll take you
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: through these. Firstly, there is a nudity allowance. Now, I
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: actually don't think that this one's a problem because this
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: is from Opera Australia and basically they pay people more
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: money if you are to perform and you do have,
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: say full frontal nudity or partial nudity. So I think
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: that's okay because that's what they do. Hollywood, you paid
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: more if you are going to do full nudity.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Is that in your contractor's lead beneath it? Excus me
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: in mind?
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: Oh well, yet to see it. Please don't show us
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: anything on this show. But this one, this really takes
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: the cake. Acon Climate Change Leave. Yes, lgbt B activist
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: group ACON offers up to eleven days of disaster leave
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: from climate change for employees.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Have a look at the City of.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: Lon cessteon gender transition leave. The city council offers employees
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: and casuals twelve weeks of unpaid leave to pursue a
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: gender transition. Our media has ai protections, but there are
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: some I actually agree with. Hungry Jacks has late night
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: transportation fantastic. I do think that you do have an
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: obligation to protect employees, especially if they're finishing very very
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: late at night. That I agree with. And the Star
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: Sydney also has free light rail. Again they work twenty
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: four hour different shifts as shift workers, so that I
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: absolutely agree with. But for goodness sake, climate change and
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: gender transition leave. Where are we going in society when
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: we're being taken over by DEI and activists who want
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: all this?
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: Pilarva, Well, you've got a tight labor market, right, so
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: if you're competing for staff members, maybe these will attract
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: staff And I think companies are also trying to virtue signal,
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: especially to younger people, depending on what the cause is
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: that they care about this, and they care enough.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: To make allowances for staff members.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Why can't it just be between you and your employer,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: You know, if you've got something going on, go and
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: talk to the boss. I'm sorry, a cyclone just blew
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: the roof off my house. Can I have a couple
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: of weeks to sort it out? Unless your boss is
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: are prick, you'd probably say, ah, yeah, I'll give you
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks to go and sort that out.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Like why does it need to be written down as
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: climate change leave? Like, come on, these are just things
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: that people have always talked to their boss about. Right.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: Well, like you like the nudity clause.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Well, that's right. I had it written into my contract
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: because I just for saw the opportunity I might have
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: to get my kid off on the television.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: I'm going to spare everybody that tru are going to
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: an ad break after the ad not Caleb the papers.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: All right, welcome back to the program. Let's take a
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: look at what's making headlines. Tomorrow will start with The Australian.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Which story did you like from tomorrow's front page, Danika.
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: Yes, we're going to go with this one here. Savings
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: for tomorrow spent today. The Albanezi government has already spent
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: the entirety of its announced NDIS savings in its latest budget,
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: with thirty six point eight billion booked on an array
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: of measures since December, including an eighteen billion dollar hospital.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: The revelation comes as small business figures become increasingly optimistic
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: there will soon be some form of concession given to
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: a broader range of employers under Labour's reforms to the
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: capital gains tax. Although the government is prioritizing tech startups
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: and if you actually read that story, it's in its entirety.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: I just want to read you one more line because this, absolutely,
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: this is baffling to me. It says the treasure as
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: savings package is set to come under greater scrutiny with
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: the budget showing thirty six point two billion.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: Of cuts to the NDIS forecast.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: Over the next four years has been wiped out through
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: sixty thirty six rather point seven billion of increase spending
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: since December's midiear budget update. We have a treasurer who
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: is spending us into oblivion. We already know how much
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: this behemoth of the NDIS is costing, and they've already
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: out costed the NDIS by spending more.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: So it works so long.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: As the projected thirty six billion dollars worth of savings
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: actually comes in.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: And I wouldn't be holding my breath for that one.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: This is why they're pulling in another eighty billion dollars
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: of taxes, right, Yes, they have to pay for this stuff. Oh,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: it's all about intergeneration liquity. No, it's about the fact
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: that they've overspent and they need to plague some holes
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: in the budget. Simple as all.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: Right, let's go to the front page of tomorrow's Herald son.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Good paper tomorrow. The Herald Sun got some great stories.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Will start with the main story that everybody in Victoria
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: is talking about. Stealth Bomber campaign for Herd return to
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: divided Dons after Scott axt Essenon heavyweights led by Kevin
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Sheedy have backed the return of James Herd to coach
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: the Bombers, with the club refusing to rule out the move.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: The Dons yesterday sacked Brad Scott after he won just
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: one of the past twenty four games. If you're not
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: an AFL fan, Essendon the one of the biggest clubs
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: in Melbourne. Their favorite son, James Heard, was coach a
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: number of years ago until the drug scandal. He was
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: consequently removed from his coaching role, but they've always wanted
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: him to come back, and with the sacking of Brad Scott,
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: I reckon James Heard will be the next coach of Essendon.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: He's about the only person who could unite the club
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: and they need uniting as much as they need wins.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I think yeah, indeed, and I mean to be perfectly honest,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: all that peptid stuff I think was a bit overblown
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: back in the day, and I think at the time
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: the authorities were just very keen to get something on
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: the books and they were the fall guys at the time.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: And I mean Herd's coached since then, he's had a
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: career in the media. I think he's done his time
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: on the bench and deserves to come back and give
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: another shot.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Yep, you have an opinion on the Essendon coaching position.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: Well that's I remember when the whole was asada. Is
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: that right when it all went down, and that was
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: huge dock. I don't think we've ever seen something like
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: that in a sporting league in Australia. But look, you
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: know what, I believe in second chances, So good on him,
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: all right.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: The other story three point eight billion dollar road hit.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Treasurer Jim Chalmers has quietly stripped three point eight billion
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: dollars from Australia's roads and transport spending, while Treasury prepares
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: to collect billions more from motorists through fuel excise and
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: luxury car taxes. So they give with one hand and
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: take from the other. Aren't all those fuel excises supposed
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: to go into road maintenance?
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Well I thought that was the point.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But they're stripping money. I mean again, this is
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: they're cutting spending in some places so they can make
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: up for the extra spending that they've put in in
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: other places. And if you're cutting money now to roads, well,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: the population is getting bigger, which therefore means you have
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: more cars on the road. It means you're building more houses,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: which means you need more roads. And people are now
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: buying electric vehicles, and electric vehicles are heavier, which means
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: they will cause more damage to roads. So I would
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: have thought this is rather counterproductive.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but again this is another alludes to what we
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: were just talking about with the Australian newspaper. It's shifting
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: money from one department into another. There's no savings, there's
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: no savings right.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: The other story on the front page of the Herald's
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Sun Disabled Recruits. This is an interesting story reorganized crime
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: with gangs recruiting teams with intellectual disabilities to do their
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: dirty work. As a children's court heard that a Hospitality
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Wars fire bomber had the cognitive ability of a six
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: year old. So that's how low the crimson Victoria are stooping,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: basically recruiting intellectually disabled children to do their handiwork.
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: So well, I mean, and that's sad when you've got
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: vulnerable kids being targeted deliberately, and especially you know this
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: person's got the intellectual ability of a six year old.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: But this is nothing new that they do.
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: They target the vulnerable, they target those who are down
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: in life, who come from broken families, and they prey
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: on them basically.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: And then they really need to crack down on the
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: people who are soliciting all of this stuff. And then
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: it should be a seriously aggravating factor if you've not
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: only procured a child to do the job for you,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: but a child who has an intellectual disability, because you
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: are putting them up for something that they most likely
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: don't unders. I mean, if you've got the intellectual capacity
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: of a six you don't know. It would be like
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: adult tells you to do something, You do it because
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: adults told you to right. It is just so wrong.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: On the front of the Mercury down in Tazzi tomorrow.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: This is quite novel. I hadn't heard of this before
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: it since his shoplifting crisis hits. Despite supermarkets rolling out
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: fog machines fog machine, I didn't know about that, fog machines,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: smart gates, body cameras and upgraded surveillance systems, Retail theft
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: across Tasmania continues to surge. These statistics over the past
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: five years paint a grim picture Alworths of Loans as
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: its staff members reported more than three hundred and fifty
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: incidents of violence and aggression across its Tasmanian supermarkets in
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. It also goes on to say that
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: to the police down there and have a sixteen year
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: old after she allegedly stole more than six five hundred
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: dollars of cosmetics, toys and clothes across Eastlands and the
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Hobarts CBD. But I want to go back to that
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: business about fog machines. How does that work? Has any
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: has anyone heard of this before? Fog machines being used
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: in supermarkets as some kind of theft to terrence measure.
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: But I'm just confused how. I don't understand how that
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: would stop a person.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. They think someone stealing and the
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: go set off the fog machines and then you're all
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: cloudy and I see anywhere.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Isn't the fog machine used by the criminals, not by
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: the shop staff Because the point of a fog machine
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: is to disguise what you're doing.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Right, trying bamboozle the thief. I don't know. I've not
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: heard of this before, but according to the Mercury, down
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: in Tazzy supermarkets in Tazzy using.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Fog, I can't wait to hear a call through calls
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: as I'm shopping.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: You know we need.
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: Fog and aisles fogged up, fogged out. But I still
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: don't understand how that would stop an alleged perpetrator. I
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: don't think you would be deterred by a fog machine.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: Maybe be bad scary theme.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it gives you time to catch
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: them because they can't find their way out of Maybe
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But if I heard them saying fog
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: in Aisle six, I'd be going down there to see
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Darcy foggedy.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: How is the fog released? Does it come through the
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: events sort of? Does a staff member have.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: A little cap Maybe they will feel it out's throw
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: it like a grin.
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: Maybe I have to wheel out a whole a whole thing,
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: like a fog trolley, Like a fog trolley.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Like you're using like theater and stuff exactly fake smoke.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: Oh goodness, make and now let's take a look at
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: the Newcastle Herald tomorrow. End of an era there it
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: is if you saw the vision today. The earth rumbled
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: and the giant chimneys began to lean forward. Ten seconds later,
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: a plume of dust was all that remained from where
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: the Ladell power Station stacks had stood for more than
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: half a century under a gloomy sky. Yesterday, a series
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: of precision detonators brought down the one hundred and seventy meters.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: Tall structures just before eleven.
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: The detonation was pushed back ninety minutes due to lack
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: of wind, but technically the project went off without a hitch.
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: G it's it does mark the end of an era
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: because the Laddel power Station really is the the center
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: of the Hunter, because coal is the lifeblood of the hunter.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: But where of.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: Course, phasing it out in pursuit of this renewables only fantasy.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: There you got, all right, we're gonna go to a break.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: When we come back.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Tell you what, police in Thailand are incredibly committed to
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: catching criminals.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Will show you just how committed they are.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: After the break, They've got fog machines. Hah.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Here in Sydney, we have an annual festival called Vivid
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: where they light up the city.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Daniko or you're a fan of the festival, I am.
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: It's a beautiful festival, the Festival of Lights, and one
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: of the highlights of the festival is the drone show.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: But gee, last night it was an absolute disaster. Have
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: a look at this vision. Ninety drones fell from the sky,
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: collapsing over Sydney Harbor. It looks so sad. Actually, that
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: looks terrible. It's like fireflies just dropping from the sky.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: And the operator sky Magic said that the issue was
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: caused by an unforeseen change in the radio frequency environment
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: after takeoff, and so now it has been canceled until
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: further notice, just the drone show until they figure out
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: what has gone wrong. But they're calling it catastrophic. It's
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: such a shame that this has happened. They spend months
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: planning for this one moment for drop just looks sad.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: And you can I don't know if we can see
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: it in that vision there, but they you can actually
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: see them sort of plopping into the water, just sort
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: of coming and going. I did see reports of people
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: saying online that they'd fallen on people's heads and stuff
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: as well. I don't know whether that's correct or not,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: but what I mean a drone wouldn't be a cheap
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: piece of equipment, no way.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: I reckon this would cost to.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Lose them into the water. I think it'd be, you know,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: the expensive harbor.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Now see Anthony Albanezi was asked about it.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: So they didn't crash, They just changed position.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: Nobody said, he said, I was in the car.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: I didn't hear it.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Very good, all right, I'd got to give it to police.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: In Thailand, they are committed to catching criminals, so committed
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: that five burly police officers or donned sequined dresses and
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: disguised themselves as a dance troop to go and arrest
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: a perpetrator at a dance festival.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: They managed to apprehend.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: The guy who was a drug dealer, and then they
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: posed for the papers. Standing behind the alleged drug dealer.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: There's the police officers and one woman, all dressed in
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: their dance ski. Of course, in the UK the police
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: do that not to catch perpetrators, but to promote equality.
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: That was a good one, Jake, that's true, fortunate, it's actually.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: That was very very good.
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: When I first first thought this, Only in Thailand would
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: this look legitimate?
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean?
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: If you've been to Thailand, you know what I mean.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: Only in Thailand would that look legit?
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I got to say, you know, we've got police shortages
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: in this country right with Victoria and Queen's Anty in
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: particular crying out we need more coppers. I'd be sending
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: a delegation over to Thailand and saying we want you
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: for our police force, because if you're willing to go
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: above and beyond and dress up as a woman in
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: order to get the arrest, I reckon you're exactly the
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: sort of person we need in our police forces here
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: to get the job done. But a creative thinking never
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: goes astray. Thinking of which creative thinking Over in England,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: every year they have the annual cheese roll in Gloucestershire
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: and the winner for the third year in a row
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: is German YouTuber Tom Cocky. Take a look, Oh fuck,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: absolute carnage, but he managed to chase down the eight
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: pound double Gloucester cheese in Brockworth and he said afterwards,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: this year's cheese will taste the sweetest of all the
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: cheeses I have won.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: The twenty twenty three women's win.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: I only found out she won after she regained consciousness
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: in the medical tent.
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: That's all. It looks violent as they roll down. They're
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: hitting themselves on rap.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: They are. That's it.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: We've got to go stick around. Coming up after the
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: break is the Reader Penney Show
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: And we'll see you again tomorrow night.