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Killers Amongst Us: 19-year-old artistic beauty disappears after car found abandoned on bridge. What happened to Sarah Stern? (Part 4)) · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, Welcome back to Killers amongst Us,
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  Speaker 1: the production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. We are investigating
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  Speaker 1: the disappearance of Sarah Stern, a gorgeous team girl, her
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  Speaker 1: car found abandoned late at night on a remote bridge,
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey. We are joined by Sarah's dad, Michael Stern,
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  Speaker 1: local reporter on the scene on the story from the
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  Speaker 1: get go, Alex Napoleonello, Mama County Prosecutor Christopher Gramicioni, the
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  Speaker 1: lead detective on the case, Brian Weisbrot is with US
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  Speaker 1: doctor Daniel bober Renow, forensic psychologist. Last week we ended
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  Speaker 1: with police trying to piece together a timeline of Sarah's disappearance,
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  Speaker 1: her comings, her goings. Now neighborhood home surveillance cameras managed
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  Speaker 1: to catch Sarah's car leaving her home several times the
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  Speaker 1: day she goes missing. That's a good start, but there's
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  Speaker 1: nothing saw it to give cops the league they really need.
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  Speaker 1: All hope is seemingly lost. Then a new tip is
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  Speaker 1: the love of money, the root of all evil. The
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  Speaker 1: search intensifies. How any time Saturday morning, this weekend, and
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  Speaker 1: you want to help search for Sarah Stern, Nancy Grace
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  Speaker 1: Chillers unmongst Us, Sarah Stern. She's the young lady nineteen
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  Speaker 1: years old missing since last weekend. Her car was found
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  Speaker 1: on the Belmar Bridge through thirty five Bridge at three
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  Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. And she's from Neptune City and
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  Speaker 1: no trace of her. Nobody can find her. Coast Guard
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  Speaker 1: and law enforcement has been looking all over that area
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  Speaker 1: and no trace of her yet. So her father Michael
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  Speaker 1: is getting a bunch of people as many volunteers as
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  Speaker 1: can come to the boardwalk tomorrow morning Ocean Grove at
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  Speaker 1: Ocean Pathway at Ocean Avenue at the Boardwalk Pavilion. They
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  Speaker 1: gather there at eight thirty and they fan out the
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  Speaker 1: towns all up and down the shore. And if you're
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  Speaker 1: a parent like me and you've ever had a child missing,
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  Speaker 1: my heart goes out of this guy and to anyone
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  Speaker 1: else who's close to Sarah and wants to try to
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  Speaker 1: help find her. That's din as hard. At one on
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  Speaker 1: one point five, the whole community joining in to comb
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  Speaker 1: the area looking for Sarah. To Detective Brian, wife brought
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  Speaker 1: with Mama County Detective, tell me this, tell me about
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  Speaker 1: the land search for Sarah. So, the land search we
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  Speaker 1: had that was conducted by the police and the various
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  Speaker 1: volunteers with e MS and fire departments in the area
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  Speaker 1: was conducted in and around the area of the bridge
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  Speaker 1: where Sarah's carr was found over the Shark River on
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  Speaker 1: round thirty five. That's essentially where the primary search began
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  Speaker 1: and then it spanned out. Of course from there, an
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  Speaker 1: extensive amount of searching was done by the marine law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement units with the state Police in the County Sheriff's
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  Speaker 1: office as well. And we were doing uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: campusing for surveillance cameras and an effort to be able
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  Speaker 1: to locate Sarah. You know in the area. Detective, did
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  Speaker 1: you bring in tracker dogs? Yes, we did. We had
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  Speaker 1: canine dogs assisting us, especially during the early portions of
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  Speaker 1: the search. We had dogs in boats with their handlers, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, searching the shoreline as well. You know what
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know is that a dog,
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  Speaker 1: a tracker dog can pick up a scent even in
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  Speaker 1: the water. If the person has been in the water
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  Speaker 1: or is in the water, the dog can pick up
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  Speaker 1: that scent. To Michael Stern, Michael, that had to be
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  Speaker 1: so surreal. Everything's fine when you leave for Florida. You
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  Speaker 1: talked to her the night before. Everything is fine, she's happy.
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  Speaker 1: The next thing you know, her car is abandoned, she's
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  Speaker 1: not in the home, the dog is in the cage,
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  Speaker 1: locked up, and all of a sudden you look out
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  Speaker 1: and there are tracker dogs looking for your girl. Well,
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  Speaker 1: there was a lot of a lot of things going on.
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  Speaker 1: There was a lot of activity with between the local
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  Speaker 1: local police and the Sheriff's department to order rescue unit.
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  Speaker 1: So it was just it was just so many things
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  Speaker 1: going on all at once. It was a little bit overwhelming.
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  Speaker 1: In the meantime, we're you know, we're throwing the information
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  Speaker 1: that that Sarah's missing out farther and farther, So would
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  Speaker 1: you know to just try to, you know, get some
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  Speaker 1: kind of clue of what happened or where she was.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to what was happening at the scene
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  Speaker 1: of the search. Things are becoming very desperate. I really
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to do this. I thought, you know, Sarah
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  Speaker 1: would turn I was sooner, should be home and everything
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  Speaker 1: would be fine. This is just that's you, Michael. That's
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  Speaker 1: you at the search scene. You're there at an event
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  Speaker 1: in the midst of everyone looking for Sarah. Do you
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  Speaker 1: remember that moment when you spoke to NJA dot com? I,
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  Speaker 1: actually I don't. I spoke to so many people and
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  Speaker 1: there was so much going on from five six o'clock
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  Speaker 1: in the morning until eleven o'clock twelve o'clock every night
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  Speaker 1: that it just never ended. It was just one continuous
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  Speaker 1: conversation going on with hundreds of people. The news media.
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  Speaker 1: We know, we wanted to get as many media people
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  Speaker 1: involved as possible to you know, try to figure out
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  Speaker 1: if anybody had seen Sarah, or where she might have been,
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  Speaker 1: or what might have happened. So we were kind of
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  Speaker 1: at a loss, which we just kept throwing the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the church out farther and farther as police follow the
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  Speaker 1: leads all the way to Canada. At the bridge, the
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  Speaker 1: search begins in the water to public safety dive instructor
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  Speaker 1: and trainer and evidence recovery specialists being Dobrin being thanks
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  Speaker 1: for being with us, being what do you make of
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  Speaker 1: the point where the car was found that remote bridge.
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  Speaker 1: If Sarah Stern jumped off the bridge where they were
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  Speaker 1: told she jumped off the bridge, the first thing you
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  Speaker 1: do is put boats in the water. You need to
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  Speaker 1: find out what the tide is doing. That's a tidal
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  Speaker 1: body of water that empties directly into the Atlantic Ocean
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  Speaker 1: with an outgoing tide, that that body can be washed
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  Speaker 1: out very quickly, and once it gets from the ocean,
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  Speaker 1: your search area has just gone up exponentially. If it's
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  Speaker 1: an ingoing tide, you know, that really kind of narrows
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  Speaker 1: down the search area to just that tidal basin where
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  Speaker 1: the water is going to be going in. Now, there's
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  Speaker 1: a difference if somebody jumps in, there's there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of variability if the person is still alive when they
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  Speaker 1: hit the surface and inhale now they're gonna have a
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  Speaker 1: lung full of water, and they're gonna sink. If they
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  Speaker 1: die on impact and don't inhale water and their lungs
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  Speaker 1: are full of air, they can float or they can
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  Speaker 1: be what it's called neutrally buoyant. They can be under
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  Speaker 1: the water or foot or two you won't be able
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  Speaker 1: to see from the surface, but they're also not gonna
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  Speaker 1: be dragging on the bottom, and so they're really gonna
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  Speaker 1: be impacted by the current. Now, the search air for
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  Speaker 1: something like that obviously you're going to start right under
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  Speaker 1: the bridge. You can have some surface search. You can
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  Speaker 1: have people walking along the shoreline, because a lot of
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  Speaker 1: times bodies will wash up on the shoreline. You'll have
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  Speaker 1: teams walking on the shoreline. But you also can have boats.
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  Speaker 1: Helicopters can be a very good asset, especially if the
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  Speaker 1: person had just jumped. If you have a helicopter with FLEAR,
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  Speaker 1: especially at night or if the water's cold, you have
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  Speaker 1: you have some time that a heat signature signature can
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  Speaker 1: show up on flear as well. Tides affect the search.
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  Speaker 1: Tides going in and out of that tidal basis. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: if you're looking for somebody five days later in a
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  Speaker 1: tidal body of water, you know that that bridge is
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  Speaker 1: very close to the Atlantic Ocean. And on the East
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  Speaker 1: Coast we have what's called semi diurnal tides. Tide shift
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  Speaker 1: every every six hours. You have two high tides and
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  Speaker 1: two low tides a day. So it goes high tide
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  Speaker 1: six hours later, low tides six hours later, high tide
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  Speaker 1: six hour laters for so the tides are constantly moving.
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  Speaker 1: There's a slack tide of about an hour between shifts,
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  Speaker 1: but the tide is constantly moving. So if you have
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  Speaker 1: five days, which you know, with four title shifts a day,
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  Speaker 1: that's twenty different title shifts, and so that body's going
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  Speaker 1: to move, especially if it's not all the way on
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  Speaker 1: the bottom. If there's a little bit of either positive
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  Speaker 1: flotation or neutral buoyancy, body's going to go a lot
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  Speaker 1: of ways. Been question. Would it have helped if someone
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  Speaker 1: could have placed Sarah if they had got a visual
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  Speaker 1: of her at the bridge getting out of her car
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  Speaker 1: to help you determine what happened. If you have a
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  Speaker 1: witness that says I saw somebody jump into this body
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  Speaker 1: of water, you have a very high confidence that you're
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  Speaker 1: going to find the body in that water, and so
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  Speaker 1: you really want to get it done, and you're going
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  Speaker 1: to keep searching until you find that body. If you
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  Speaker 1: have some less manageable evidence or less you know, actionable information,
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  Speaker 1: you can search and you want to find the body
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  Speaker 1: and you're gonna you know, one of the things that
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  Speaker 1: that public safety dive teams really want to do is
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  Speaker 1: they want to bring closure to the families. We're out
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  Speaker 1: there to find these people and to bring them home
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  Speaker 1: so that the families can have closure, because sometimes it's
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  Speaker 1: a missing person. Nobody knows where the person is. If
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  Speaker 1: we find that person, then we can stop searching elsewhere
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  Speaker 1: and the family can grieve with the body. Well, Ben,
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  Speaker 1: what about the height of the bridge. Would the height
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  Speaker 1: of the bridge make a difference. The height of the
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  Speaker 1: bridge actually doesn't matter. We had a suicide a few
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  Speaker 1: years ago off of one of our local bridges. It's
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  Speaker 1: around one hundred and sixty two hundred and sixty feet
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  Speaker 1: off the water, just depending on the tide. And when
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  Speaker 1: we had video, there was no doubt that this person
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  Speaker 1: jumped the bridge has video, We watched the person jump,
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  Speaker 1: and one of the things that happens with the height
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  Speaker 1: of that bridge is when he hit the water, that's
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  Speaker 1: like cement from that height, and so when he hit
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  Speaker 1: the bridge, all the air in his lungs. This is
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  Speaker 1: what I believe happened. All the air and his lungs
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  Speaker 1: got pushed out and the impact killed him. Because if
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  Speaker 1: you inhale water and drown, your body generally sinks. Drowning
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  Speaker 1: victims sink to the bottom. We had sonar out there
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  Speaker 1: for about two days. We had multiple boats, we probably
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  Speaker 1: seven or eight boats running sonar. He was not on
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  Speaker 1: the bottom. We also had boats obviously looking at the surface.
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  Speaker 1: He was not on the surface. He was probably that
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  Speaker 1: body of water. It was about forty five to fifty
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  Speaker 1: five feet deep. He was somewhere between the surface and
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  Speaker 1: the bottom and we could not get a stone our
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  Speaker 1: picture on him. And the only way we found him
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  Speaker 1: was about four days later. It was summertime and his
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  Speaker 1: body bloated and came to the surface and he was
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  Speaker 1: within a hundred yards of where he jumped in Durban
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  Speaker 1: with me public safety dive instructor an evidence recovery specialist,
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  Speaker 1: Michael Stern. Could you ever imagine Sarah jumping from that bridge? No,
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine at all. That just wouldn't wouldn't be star.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, she was a good swimmer, but she was
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  Speaker 1: on the swim team in high school. But it just
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  Speaker 1: will be totally unlike Sarah. Just nothing thought like that
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  Speaker 1: just didn't come to my mind at all. And when
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  Speaker 1: the divers were out there searching, what was going through
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  Speaker 1: your mind? I mean, in your mind, she would never
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  Speaker 1: have jumped off that bridge, right, Well, we thought there
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  Speaker 1: might have been some foul play involved, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: we weren't sure, you know, like you said, where she
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  Speaker 1: was that evening, you know, prior to them finding in
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  Speaker 1: the car, So some speculations that you know, it could
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  Speaker 1: have been an abduction, or it could have been a
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  Speaker 1: you know, something else could have happened. It just it
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  Speaker 1: was a mystery. We just, you know, something that nothing
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  Speaker 1: made any sense at all. Being durban with me, what
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  Speaker 1: is it lot? What told does it take on you
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  Speaker 1: and your team when you look for a victim. It's
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  Speaker 1: physically demanding, especially depending on the time of the year.
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  Speaker 1: If it's cold water, um, that could be very physically
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  Speaker 1: demanding on the people underwater, but also the support crew
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  Speaker 1: as well. One of the things with the type of
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  Speaker 1: diving that you're talking about is it takes a lot
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  Speaker 1: of support staff. You generally have about five or six
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  Speaker 1: people for every one day ivory you have. You've got
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  Speaker 1: to have a tender, you've got to have a safety diver,
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  Speaker 1: nine diver, a dive supervisor. We have medics on themes.
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  Speaker 1: So you're talking about, you know, to get one diver
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  Speaker 1: in the water, you're gonna have six or sevens four
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  Speaker 1: people and if it's very cold, you know, that gets
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  Speaker 1: tire tiring very quickly. But from from bank to bank
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  Speaker 1: where that bridge was if you have a dive team
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  Speaker 1: of ten or fifteen people, you could clear that in
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  Speaker 1: two days, a day and a half, depending on how
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  Speaker 1: many hours you were out there in that time. Ben question,
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  Speaker 1: tell me you're objective and what it's like in that water.
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  Speaker 1: I've dived many, many times and there were times I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't even see my hand in front of my face.
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  Speaker 1: We're trying to find a person to bring home to
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  Speaker 1: the family. It's a horrible feeling. I have found bodies
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  Speaker 1: and black water, and you know, to know that I
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  Speaker 1: have now found this body. It's a horrible, lonely feeling
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  Speaker 1: to be in dark, cold water holding on to a person.
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  Speaker 1: But I know I'm out there doing that to bring
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  Speaker 1: that body back to the family. If it's evidence in
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  Speaker 1: something a crime, now we can go forward with the
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  Speaker 1: investigation for the crime. You know. I'm just thinking about
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  Speaker 1: this search and that water. I want to go to
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  Speaker 1: Detective Brian Wi s brought Brian. I'm just trying to
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  Speaker 1: get a handle on it because when all of this
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  Speaker 1: is happening, and there's dive teams out there, and there's
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  Speaker 1: hide skin sonar are going on, and the whole community
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  Speaker 1: is involved. What was the scene on the water. There'll
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  Speaker 1: be a lot of personnel out there, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: agencies involved, local law enforcement, counting law enforcement, state law enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: The aviation unit was flying as well, doing aerial searches
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  Speaker 1: of the area. So the ghost traveling in and around
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  Speaker 1: that area, they certainly saw a very large and significant
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  Speaker 1: police presence, especially early on in the investigation. Our efforts
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  Speaker 1: were heavily being conducted in and around the bridge with
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  Speaker 1: me Is Alex and Polilla Alex. Were you covering the
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  Speaker 1: water search? So yes, I was one of the weekend
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  Speaker 1: reporters that weekend and I signed on early Sunday morning.
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  Speaker 1: So her car was found Saturday. I was reporting Sunday morning.
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  Speaker 1: The information coming into our newsroom initially was that police
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  Speaker 1: and the dive teams were out looking for a possible jumper.
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  Speaker 1: What struck me as odd from the start was that
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  Speaker 1: bridge really isn't that high. It's not a bridge that
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  Speaker 1: common that you would commonly associate with suicide. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: here in New Jersey we have jumpers at the George
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  Speaker 1: Washington Bridge what frequently, and at the Victory Bridge in
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  Speaker 1: perth Amboy, but not at the thirty five Bridge in
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  Speaker 1: del mar So this struck me as odds, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we were covering the search. The dive teams were out
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  Speaker 1: for approximately three days, if I recall, and there wasn't
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  Speaker 1: much information initially, it was just that police were searching
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  Speaker 1: for a possible bridge jumper and that the car had
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  Speaker 1: been found and Sarah was missing. Man, I'm just trying
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  Speaker 1: to take it all in. Oh, let me go back
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  Speaker 1: to you, Ben. What about size key and sonar. You
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  Speaker 1: go over the area and you can say within thirty
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  Speaker 1: yards either side of this bridge, there's no body. And
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  Speaker 1: then we've sonared in and we've sonard out, and there's
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  Speaker 1: no sonar picture of a body. Because sometimes you get
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  Speaker 1: targets that might look like a body, like you'll get
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  Speaker 1: a tree trunk or you know, just something that looks
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  Speaker 1: like a body, and you can dive on that just
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  Speaker 1: to rule it out and say, you know, we put
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  Speaker 1: divers down there and it was a tree trunk. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you do a meticulous search from shore
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  Speaker 1: bank to shore bank and then you know twenty or
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  Speaker 1: thirty yards either side, and if you have sonar available,
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  Speaker 1: you know, three days, four days, I'm thinking about these sides.
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  Speaker 1: Can sonar the search going on on the water tracker
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  Speaker 1: dogs out on the water the whole nine yards. But
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  Speaker 1: deep in his heart Michael Stern, her dad is like,
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  Speaker 1: she's not in the water. She did not jump off
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  Speaker 1: that bridge. He just knows it to detected. Brian Weisbrott,
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  Speaker 1: tell me how far you went in the ground search.
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  Speaker 1: Where did you guys search? How did you search? We had?
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  Speaker 1: The ground search was quite extensive. We had covered, of course,
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  Speaker 1: the area of the Dirty Five Bridge connecting Neptune Township
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  Speaker 1: in Belmar. We covered the entire area of the Shark
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  Speaker 1: River the inlet as well as the western part of them,
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  Speaker 1: the river and all the roads and the land adjoining
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  Speaker 1: the river. We had assistance from dive teams, marine law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement units in the State Police Aviation Unit, which assisted
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  Speaker 1: in conducting those searches. Wow, so you're saying by land,
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  Speaker 1: by air, by water, community involvement, volunteers, professional searchers, dive teams,
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  Speaker 1: side skin sonar, the works. Was there ever a moment
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  Speaker 1: that you heard we think we found her, or we
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  Speaker 1: think we found some evidence. Was there ever that moment?
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  Speaker 1: There were several times that various pieces of clothing items
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  Speaker 1: were located, but unfortunately they were quickly determined to not
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  Speaker 1: be related. To Sarah. Additional, the marine units that were
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  Speaker 1: in the water had investigated various um um abnormalities that
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  Speaker 1: they had located in the water um but again, unfortunately
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  Speaker 1: those were also determined to be um very Michael Stern,
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  Speaker 1: would they tell you, hey, we think we found something.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember that, Yeah, we were. We were in
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  Speaker 1: contact with anybody that was looking, and if they did
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  Speaker 1: find something, whether it was a shoe or a sneaker,
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  Speaker 1: they would check the size, the color, description. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of stuff was, you know, was uncovered that unfortunately didn't
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  Speaker 1: weren't related to Sarah, but there was always hope that
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  Speaker 1: something was. Oh gosh, Doctor Bethany Marshall, can you just
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  Speaker 1: imagine you're looking for your child and they call it
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  Speaker 1: a hey, we thought we found a sneaker, and then
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  Speaker 1: they call back it's the wrong size, or it's you
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  Speaker 1: look at it, it's not hers. I mean, it's just
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: like raise your hopes to dash your hopes. Nancy, I
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: can't imagine what that would be like. Because when somebody
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: first goes missing, the family members believe that that person
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: is just about to show up. They have to stay
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: in a state of denial in order to keep their
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: courage up and their hope up to continue the search.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: And so every time a shoe comes in, a piece
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: of clothing, a shred of evidence, it reinforces that belief
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: that that person is out there, and that in turn
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: disrupts the process of coming to grips with a very
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: harsh reality, which is that that person may never be found.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: It's hope, then hope stashed, hopes, and then hope stashed.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: It's like a form of trauma that gets repeated again
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: and again to all. It's the Poliello, the crime and
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: court reporter for NJA dot com, and star Ledger Alex
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: And it was a frenzy with the media, everybody there.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: The saying of the search, the knines, the divers. I
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: bet that was quite the same. Do you remember it was?
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: And I can't say this enough because it's an important
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: part of the search and the story is that community
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: was a big thing. So there were a couple hundred
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: people who turned out for this search. And like I've
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: said over and over again, this is a tight knit
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: community where everyone knew each other by name. And although
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: thousands of people come to the Jersey Shore every summer
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: to vacation, the people who live here full time. They
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: know who each other are, and they recognized one another.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: And with that being said, there were people who came
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: to this search who had no connection to Sarah whatsoever.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I met a man who drove from Point Pleasant, which
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: is about twenty five twenty five minutes south of where
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: the search was. He never met Sava, he never met Michael.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: He didn't know anyone in the family, but he had
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: a teenage daughter and he felt moved to drive to
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: join this search. And there were others who were just
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: like this person, who had no connection to this story whatsoever,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: who just felt that they needed to be there. Michael
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: is the search that dragged on. How could you even
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: put your head on your pillow and go to sleep
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: at night? Well, the answer to that is they didn't
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: get much sleep, and just you know, thinking of the
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: different things, and just you know, staying in touch with
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of people, even into the late hours until
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: midnight a lot of nights just to talking to different people,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: trying to come up with ideas and thoughts and what
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: else we could do it. It was a very tiring
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: effort to keep going every day and still not be
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: able to find Sarah. Did you expect at any moment,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: she's going to call on your cell and go Dad, Dad,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I'm okay, Well, you know I had hope that would happen,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: but you know, the days went on and there was
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: no no response on her phone, and you know, it
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: just you know, it just seemed like she just vanished.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: It just you know, it became a feudal effort. You know,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: a month, a month later, six weeks later. You know what,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: we didn't stop looking. We just uh, you know, I
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that you know, there wasn't anything
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: that wasn't looked at or we weren't checking into. And
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: it just it got tougher every day. And it's still
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: to this day, it's not very easy to to know
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: what happened. And you know, and then as my content
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: regarding the search of his daughter surveillance video emerges, will
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: it crack the case Sarah? From his greed? I would say,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: we're pretty close friends. When did you last see Sarah?
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: When I was leaving her house? Gotta work? Was sometime
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: before four forty five on what day? Day? Friday? And
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: what do you say before forty four forty five? Had
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: to be at work? Good to be at Where did
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: you work friend of Sack has what time did you
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: work at Brundas? What time Diday work? Yes, between four
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: forty five five o'clock I got there and then when
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I was off U sometime around ten o'clock when you
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: went to work? What was what were you? Sara to him,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: I was just hanging out. You know, when you don't
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: know where to go, when you hit a wall, what
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: do you do? You start over square one. Cops detectives
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: desperately trying to determine what happened to beautiful team girls
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Sarah Stern, So they start back at the beginning with
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the timeline. Best friend Sarah Stern, Liam mctaznee, and Preston
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Taylor had been together really since grade school. In fact,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Taylor had been her stand in as a prom date
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: the three of them the Three Musketeers, throughout high school.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: So cops go back to Liam and he says that
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: he saw Sarah that day before he went to work
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: at Brennan's Steakhouse. And as a matter of fact, to
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Mamma County Prosecutor Christopher GRAMMACIONI, you could confirm that with
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: video of him at work. Tell me about that. He
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: was shocking. He showed up at work, and we have
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: video surveillance from the restaurant where he worked, right in
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: town in Neptune City. He showed up, he looked a
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: little bit disheveled, was running a little bit late, and
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: then he goes in and works a shifts as a
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: waiter at a high profile steakhouse in town. Yeah. I
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: remember looking at that video with me, Mamma County Prosecutor
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Christopher GRAMICIONI, Christopher, I remember looking at the video and
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: it shows him bursting through the double doors picking up
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: an order at the steakhouse, and I think going back
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: through the double doors to serve it. He was there
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: where he said. And would you agree, Christopher, that when
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: you're trying to corroborate a story or a timeline, and
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: you can corroborate part of it that tends to show
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: the rest of the timeline could be reliable. Absolutely, And
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: that's something not just that we looked for in his investigators,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: but as you know, being a lawyer, that's what jurors
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: want to see. They want to be able to piece
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: together what happened during this significant event. So it makes
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: perfect sense. Man, don't we all take a listen to
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: what else? Liam tells detectives, dishes cleaned of the house.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Then I called her initially that's whar I want to
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: get some food. What time do you hope about it? Sarah?
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Sometimes between them one and two o'clock one and two,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I went over. Did you go to eat? No? Yeah,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: we did go to eat fire. I'm sure we initially
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: um wrapped up all her stuff, put in the containers
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: and then went across the street to the drapers put
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the stuff and they're basing them and Sarah and I
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Taco Bell. Would you eat there? Now? We went back
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: to her house? Did you stay there the whole time? Here?
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: If you went back to her house? Yeah, we actually
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: went up into her and take some baby games. There
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: you have him again confirming the Taco Bell trip, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: they meet around one o'clock. They bring in containers of
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: her stuff to neighbors homes, which always has stumped me.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: But forget about the containers where you're Sarah, They go
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: to Taco Bell, and you actually pull up video of
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: them at Taco Bell. So Christopher GRAMICIONI you're one of
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Mammoth County's lead prosecutors. There you've got Liam's timeline hanging
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: together again. There at Taco Belle, just like you thought,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: you confirmed that with video. That's right. So, just like
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: a puzzle, we're piecing together a timeline of what happened
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: from the point where Sarah was last known to be
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: to find out where she was, and trying to piece
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: together what happened there from. So that's just yet another
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: piece in the puzzle. Now I find something that came
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: out during Liam mctasney's police interview to be highly probitive.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to this, Christopher, what's the extent of
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: your relationship? Were pretty close friends? Ever your girlfriend? Now?
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Sarah's friends and family portray her as this happy, go
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: lucky girl that never had any reason to say she
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: would hurt herself or hurt someone else, but Liam portrays
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: a different picture. Does she ever talk about like guys
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: or don't I know girls? No, she has been known
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: to obsess over girls in the past, though. He talks
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: about an ex girlfriend of his, Maggie, who Sarah became
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: obsessed with. She would always say stuff like, Maggie, if
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: you don't come here right now, I'm gonna kill myself.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: During his interview with detectives, Liam also asks them this question.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: One thing. I want to fuck to you guys about boys.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: She she did jump off the bridge? What did the
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: odds say She's not somewhere all the way out to detected?
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Brian Weiss brought you know right there. That just strikes
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: me as odd. You're in the middle of trying to
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: piece together a timeline when suddenly mctasney starts asking, wouldn't
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: her body have washed out to sea by now? Yeah?
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: That was one of one of a few very odd
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: questions that Liam had had either asked or statements that
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: he made during that interview. We found it extremely Here
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: we are looking to find one of his close childhood friends,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: and the question that he asks is that I would
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: have expected that he would have asked questions such as
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: what can I do to help? What have you done
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: so far? And perhaps identify additional people that we could
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: speak to to assist us in Low King Sarah. Yeah.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: And the way he actually gesticulates to Mama County Prosecutor
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Christopher Gramicione, Chris, the way he kind of like gesticulated
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: out to see. It's like he wanted her to be
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: out to see. It's hard to read within his mind. Obviously,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: we can't do that. But I think that throughout he's
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: not only creating this ruse that Sarah maybe killed herself
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: or had some kind of depressive problems that might have
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: caused her reason to want to kill herself, but he's
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: also probing to find out how much the state has
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: on the case. The interview William mctasney goes on, you
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: guys keep questioning him. Then you find out something very
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: very odd and inconsistency. You haven't told us about the bank.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: How can you haven't told us about the bank? Well,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I told the bank. Did you go to the bank?
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I was with her? Okay, that's the way back from
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Taco Bell, Well, thank you, char I shouldn't badly be
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: called Carney. What did you do with the bank? No idea,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: it didn't going you stay at the car? Yeah, why
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: don't you stop at the bank. What did she tell you?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: She was stopping the bank something to do for money.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know. She has found money in the one
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: house she wants ago and she has a lock box
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: call money any there. I don't know. She was taking
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: money out, putting money in there in a lock box?
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: School moneywhere and Carney Bank? On the way back from
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Taco value stuff to the bank, ro own new stuff,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: being straight to the house. After that, you're at the
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: house until I want to work. Okay, Now wait a minute.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: To Christopher Gramicione, we knew some money was in the
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: car with her when she checked on the money at
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: the bank, thousands and thousands of dollars in a safe
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: deposit box. We knew that. Didn't really know who. But
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: what difference does it make whether Liam went with her
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: or not to the bank, Chris, that's it. I mean
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: he left out one of the more material and important
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: parts of what we learned during the investigation, that he
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: accompanied her to the bank, that he watched her go
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: in get the money, they had discussions about the money,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: and leaving that out, I know, created a serious concern
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and raised the red flag for our investigators. Yeah, I
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: mean to forensic psychiatri is joining us doctor Daniel Bober,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: I typically get more worried when somebody outright lies when
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: you've got a missing girl that could be murdered, could
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: have committed suicide, could have been kidnapped, and you leave
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: out a portion of the day. But yet on the
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: I worry more when somebody lies about it. Here he
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: just left out what seemed to be an innocent trip
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: to the bank. Does that really bug you, doctor Bober? Yes,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, there's lies of comission, there's lives of omission,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: and clearly, if he was going to cooperate completely, he
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: would give a full and complete story. So yes, that
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: would be concerning to me. So let me tell you
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: how this interview ends, Richard. If she had told me
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: that she was going to jump off the bridge, there
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: would have been no way that I could have gone
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: to work. That she's something she had to get away Canada,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: get away from her dad. I think Canada was a
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: place that she had been, that she had a great experience,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: had when it was something that she talked about potentially
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: moving there in Canada. I couldn't tell you. I can
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: honestly tell you that I'm one of her closest friends,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: and I have no idea why she wouldn't tell me
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: anything before she left. When did you last see Sarah
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: when I was leaving her house to get a work.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: It's interesting because Liam is very chatty in these initial
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: first interviews, but eventually Tom runs out heres lawyer and
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: he stops talking. WHOA He lawyers up and stops talking Uh,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: is that what happened to Chris GRAMICIONI yes, it is.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: At some point after a detective White Brott was questioning him,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: and soon after that the question concerning would you would
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: you would you be able to find her body if
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: it was out to see um? He has ended up
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: asserting his Fifth Amendment rights and opted no longer to
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: speak with law enforcement. Cops hit a dead end with
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: friend Liam mctaznie when he lawyers up and won't talk anymore,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: so they turn to the third member of the Tree
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: of the Three Musketeers, Preston t l Or Listen tell
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: you about his day here there everything that Liam had
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: told us, Preston had confirmed there were no real inconsistencies
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: that they presented. At one point in the intervie, you
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: police ask Preston what he thinks happened to Sarah Stern?
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: What do you think? And if you watch and listen closely,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: you'll hear his voice slightly cracked and his hand reaches
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: up to wipe something from his eye. He should jump?
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Why do you jump? Heard her? Dad? I went down
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: that night and watched his statement. When Brian came out
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: of the statement, he said, something's not right here. At all.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I did not have a good feeling about the information
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: that both Liam and Preston had told us. I wasn't
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: satisfied that something didn't happen to her, detected Brian Wispot,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Right there, you say you've got a bad feeling. Why
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: by the information that Liam was both telling us and
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: failing to tell us. Is his failure to tell us
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: about going to the bank. That certainly, as the proster said,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: was a huge red flag for us. We felt as
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: though that if he was truly trying to assist in
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: locating one of his closest childhood friends, that was a
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: piece of information that he would have shared, especially considering
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: the fact that we had already learned that Sarah had
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: come into this money. I want to go to special
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Guests joining me, Sarah Sterns dad, Michael Stern, the closest
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: person in the world to Sarah, trying to make sense
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: of her disappearance, Michael, when you learn her best friend,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Liam mctasney lawyers up and won't talk. And then Preston Taylor,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: the third of the trio of three Musketeers, leave cops
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: feeling uneasy and queasy when you hear that, what do
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: you think, well, he was always the suspect in my mind.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: When the first information we had was that he had
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: lost his phone, and that was on the way back
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: from Blarden. I asked the detective, you know, did anybody
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: check his phone? And he had lost his phone? Right away,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I was suspicious, but I had nothing else. That's all
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I had. You had a dad's intuition. Something made you
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: ask cops day one, when you are driving through the
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: night to get home from Florida to find your daughter,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: you think then to say, well, where's his cell phone?
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: What made you think that, Michael, Well, if they had
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: his phone, they would see any communication that he would
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: have had had with Sarah. So if she had contacted
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: him after or you know, during that time when she
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: was between when he said he last saw her, that
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: there would have been something on there on his phone
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: if Sarah had called, because Sarah's phone also was missing.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know every jury is told point blank
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: the invoking your right to remain silent under the Fifth
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Amendment or getting a lawyer, which is also a constitutional right,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: means nothing, or at least it's not supposed to to
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: a jury. But Michael, when you learn your daughter's best friend,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: lawyer's up and won't talk. What went through your mind
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: when you heard that? I was just I was overwhelmed.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: You know. There was always something that said he had
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: something to do with it. We just couldn't pin it down.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Between the police and the detectives and any of Sarah's friends, nobody,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: nobody could figure it out. It was everything led to
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: dead end. Michael. During all the years that your daughter
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Sarah was friends best friends with mctazney and Taylor, what
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: was your impression of them? Um? Just regular, you know,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: regular guys. You know, didn't seem anything, you know, nothing
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: out of the ordinary, you know, kind of cordial, not
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: you know, I didn't really have a lot of interactions
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: with them, although I did, uh you know, was in
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: the car pool and stuff and participated in school projects
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: and stuff in grammar school, and you know, they were
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: on the same swim team in high school. Also, uh,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Liam was on the Bradley Beach Fire Department as cadets.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Was Sarah too. So you know, I had a lot
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: of interaction with them, but nothing out of the ordinary
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: that would make them seem like you would even be
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: inclined to do anything like this. Neither well so far,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: their stories are checking out, their alibis are holding, what
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: with the Brennan Steakhouse job and mctasni is on video
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: serving plates that night. So to you, County Prosecutor, Christopher
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: GRAMICIONI to me, Leah, mctasney strikes me as Eddie Haskell.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Do you remember him from Leave It to Beaver? I do?
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: I do. It's a great analogy, Yeah, I do. I
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: mean he's smiling in Sarah in Michael's face, But what's
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: he doing the rest of the time. Nancy Grace signing off,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: goodbye friend,