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Back to The Future Review: Was Antman right? · May The Review Be With You

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Marty will cease to exist in the future. Right, But the problem with
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that in the Grandfather Paradox. Oh wait, I messed up the Grandfather Paradox.
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I forgot. That's the plot of Futurama, not the Grandfather Paradox.
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Hello, and welcome to Made the Review. Be with you with Nick and
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Joe. I'm Joe, I'm Nick. And today we are continuing our time
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travel draft saga. We are now into the third round of time travel Classics.
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It is my pick today and we were going with the time travel classic
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in my opinion, Back to the Future. Robert zem zemechis Zeen met Kiss
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I think that's his name. Robert Zemechis. There you go, directed by
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Robert Zemeckis for beloved classics, the Polars plus I can't talk man polar express.
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You know what the problem is. I had one cup of coffee today,
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Nick, just one, just one, and it wasn't even close to
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one point two one jigawats, which is what it takes to keep this body
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functioning and moving at an okay level. We're gonna need to get that flex
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capacitor. Uh right, bump that way up. You're gonna bump that way
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up. That's what I was saying, Polar Express contact. What else has
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he done? Oh my god? What is the castaway? That's my favorite
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repertsent mechis movie BeO Wolf. I don't think a lot of people like that
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one. I do. I never even watched BeO Wolf. It's not good,
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but I like it. That's one of the first fun movies I remember
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like being hyped in then absolutely bombing. Yeah, because like it was,
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it was writing off the coattails of three hundred at the time. You remember
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what it was. Yeah, they were trying to like leaning hard into like
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the three hundred crowd. Yeah. The problem is bail was, like you
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know, told is like an epic poem, and I don't think the bros
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were We're feeling that too much. Yeah, I mentioned Bailwolf before I said
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Forrest Gump. He also did Forrest Gump. That feels wrong, That felt
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egregious on my part. A lot of those movies you just mentioned too,
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have the same composer as this film. You brought that up because I in
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Silver Street, I think is yeah, yep, I have a Marvel movies
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to what's that. Well, we'll get there, Okay, we'll get U
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tell me spoilers, but yeah, we are. We are moving on time
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travel draft. For those of you who do not know Nick and I,
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we've been drafting and reviewing time travel films in different category. As I mentioned
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before, today we're doing the time travel classics. So well, we'll briefly
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review the movie, what we liked and what we didn't like about it,
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and then we're gonna talk about the time travel mechanic of this movie, which
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I'm sure will bring about a lot of conversation. But AnyWho, Nick,
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I believe it is time for the fifteen second summary. Why don't I always
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forget? I'm not feeling good. I forgot about this. I could have
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prepared zero preparation. How is this always the case? How is it that
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every time this comes up, it's like this dreaded moment that's a surprise.
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I honestly don't know. You would think after two years I would have learned
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my lesson to slightly prepare better. But I think it keeps it. It
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keeps it fun that I am less prepared, right? Fun for me?
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Yeah? Right now, I'm just totally freaking out. I've completely forgotten the
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doctor's the doctor's name I've completely forgotten the doctor's name. I'm like, well,
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what in trouble, Doc Duc? Doc Duc? What? Doc Duc?
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What's your name? Bro? Christopher Lloyd? His name is Christopher Lloyd.
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His name is Christopher Lloyd. But that's not the doc's name. Oh,
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this is gonna be pretty deep, pretty deep, pretty deep, bad,
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Doc Brown? Do you need me to say it? All right?
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Brown? All right? Yeah, all right, yeah, this is good.
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This is going to be a crash and burn so bad. Let me
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see you. We'll me get my my Google stop Watch out sponsored by Google.
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No, it's not, but it could be. All right, Nick,
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are you ready? No? But I mean, just do it?
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Three? Wait? I can't let you go. I don't even explain what
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you're doing. Okay, For those who don't know, Nick is gonna take
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fifteen seconds to summarize this film. He's going to do the best that he
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can, and at the end, we're gonna grade him, and by we,
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I mean me and you can either agree with my grade or completely disagree
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and we'll fight about it in the comments. And in fact I would love
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that, so please disagree. But Nick, are you ready? Alrighty?
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Three? Two? One go? Marty McFly is a teenager in nineteen eighty
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five who has a really really good friend named doctor Brown, and he has
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a time machine and they travel. He accidentally travels back into time to nineteen
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fifty five. It meets his family and his mom hits on him and it's
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weird, and he has to figure out how to get back, and they
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use a lightning strike and eventually he came back. That was some one of
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the funnest fifteen seconds summers that I've ever done. You covered actually way more
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ground than I thought you were going to, and I love that you actually
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you did mention the plot point of Lorraine has the hots for her son,
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but she doesn't know it's her son. Weirdly important plot point to the movie
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Super awkward. Yeah, yeah, you did, you got you know,
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I was actually gonna give you I was gonna give you a d if it
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weren't for what you said at the very last second. Then he gets back
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to the present. This is the whole movie. He's got to get back.
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Yep. So that actually bumps you way up. To be honest,
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I think you've covered like almost all the broad strokes, including the lightning somehow,
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So Nick, despite your panicking I'm actually gonna give you an a here.
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Let's go. Yeah, you didn't mention the Libyans, but honestly,
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not a huge part of the plot. Super not a huge part. You
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know what, Let's talk about the Libyans real quill because I have not watched
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Back to the Future in a very long time, and that whole plutonium and
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Libyans like aspect of this film is hysterical, totally totally random, Like I
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mean, the whole I mean, the movie is about time travel. It's
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it's pretty random in general. But like the fact that like at the beginning
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of this film they're being shot at with like AK forty seven's in the middle
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of a mall parking lot and some random ass town, Like why what are
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we talking about? Like it's so it feels out of place, the whole,
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the whole, like you know, Libyan plot plot point, Like so
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it's just so so funny to me. There are a couple like moments in
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this movie that make you stop, uh, and the Libyan plot point is
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definitely one of them, because you're like, hold on, so Doc Brown
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has shady tides with terrorists, Yeah, and we're just gonna ignore that,
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right and We're just gonna like let this teenage kid just be super good friends
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with him. They never explain it. They never explain why he's good friends
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with this dude. Oh yeah, it's so uh so ridiculous. Really,
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but whatever, We've covered that part now we can move on and we don't
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need to spend over it. Though, Like it's so weird that like just
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wants us to be okay with the fact that Doc Brown was going to make
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a bomb for this group of terrorists who are presumably still on the loose and
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looking to do something horrible, and we're just gonna move past that. It's
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fine. We have silly time travel antics. Somebody else's problem. It literally
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could have been anything. It could have been like a buddy in the government
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gave me this plutonium, Like it could have been anything. It had to
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be Libyan terrorists though, Yeah, it could have come up with a different
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way for him to like get shot or get killed before Marty goes into the
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time machine. Yeah, but I guess being chased is a good reason to
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like make a rast decision and just get inside a delaium to go time travel
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really quick. Yeah, it does build more attention, Like you said,
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around like you know, Brown being shot and killed and whether or not Marty
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was successful in saving his life, but really like Libyan terrorsts, like that's
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what we had to go with. Yeah, well, maybe I didn't know
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the eighties that well. I mean, I'm a nineties kid. I don't
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know the eighties that way. Yeah, we don't know the eighties well at
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all. But no, but the eighties man, and specifically the way that
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the movie ends, which we'll get to, like how they immediately set up
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back to the future too with that quick scene, such an eighties move,
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like such an old timey like movie move. They don't do stuff like that
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anymore to set up a sequel, you know, Like there's like, yeah,
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like I have not seen a sequel set up like that like that quickly,
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with like a super fast scene in a long time. Typically it's like
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a little bit. It's either drawn out or it's just like an extra credit
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scene now, which Marvel does a lot, you know, like stuff like
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that. But that was a Yeah, that was funny anyway. I love
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that. Uh God, the name of his girlfriend it's escaping me? Who
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is is it? Dance not listed here? Whoever plays Marty mcfli's girlfriend.
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I love that She's just like Okay, I'll get in this car and like,
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zero questions. It's your kids, Marty, we gotta something's gotta be
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done. A bunch of kids, right right, There's so many things that
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just happened in front of her. This dude just appeared out of nowhere and
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just destroyed a bunch of trash cans. Yeah, so he looks like a
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psychopathous and then he's screaming about their kids, and like, I don't know
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how far they are into their relationship, right well, like it's not that
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far, right, so ridiculous anyway, let's get into it. Let's get
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into it. Yeah, So I went with this movie in our time travel
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draft, which if you haven't watched that, please feel free to take a
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look at it so you can get an idea of our dream time travel categories
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for this movie, our dream time travel lineup. But yeah, I went
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with this film because, like I mean, this movie holds a special place
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in my heart. Back when Cable was more important and Cable was kid really
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dated myself here, this movie was on USA like all the time, and
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if it wasn't on USA, it was on TEND. This is probably the
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like eighties movie, like I've seen the most and like, funny enough,
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like I don't think it was until college that like I really saw this movie
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like once all the way through, but I had seen the entire It was
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one of those movies you know that you'd catch on cable and you'd catch it
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in different arts all the time, right, So I'd seen the whole movie
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multiple times, but never from start to finish. But yeah, here we
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are. Now this is the well I said, the time travel movie for
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what do you call it? Groundhog Day? That remains true. I will
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say this movie is heavily reference though, is time travel movie movies? Go,
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yeah, referenced even in a time travel movie that we will be watching
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later in this time travel draft. But uh yeah, I think it's impossible
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to think of some things in this movie, or think of things outside of
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this movie without thinking of this movie, like the DeLorean for one, right,
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right, just so many different like iconic like lines and scenes, the
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freaking like Marvin Berry scene, your cousin, Marvin, Marvin Barry, this
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is the sound you've been looking for, you know, Like while he's playing
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a Chuck Berry song, I'm like, this is great. This is so
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good yeah, I love that. I particularly love that scene. That was
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fun. Yeah. And then yeah, the music, I mean Nick Nick
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is the music man between the two of us. This music, This movie
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is pretty big on music. Would you think of that? Oh? I
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loved it. I had That's why I had to look up the composer for
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it, which you know ends up being the same guy who's done a lot
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of these, a lot of the Marble or most of the Avengers movies.
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Yeah, a bunch of the movies he named the Beginning too, you know,
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like Forrest Gump, Castaway, Polar Express. Obviously, he did all
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the Back to the Future movies Ready Player one. Oh, very cool?
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Yeah, Alan did Sylvi Stree? Very cool? Yeah, I don't know
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Alan Silvis Stree is his name? Oh sorry, Alan silv Stree. Yeah,
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the composer. Yes, yeah, it was like yeah, so like
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the music was awesome and that seemed was particularly fun with Chuck Berry and yeah,
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man, what if it's just you know what's crazy about this film?
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It got turned down like forty times by different studios. Yeah, like over
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forty times. It took them to get like someone to greenlighte this film for
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them. Basically that is wild and They had someone else originally cast as Marty
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McFly, and after they like did like initial shots, they realized he wasn't
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like right for the part, and they like recast and found Michael J.
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Fox. It's like all the things they had to go right. Yeah,
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you know, kind of like the climax of this movie. Right, everything
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just has to be perfect and everything keeps going wrong. Yeah, damn,
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that is wild. I can't I can't imagine this movie without Michael J.
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Fox. The dude just brings like so much charisma. Although that being said,
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that actually does bring up my first problem with this movie. And like,
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don't get me wrong, this is like a thing with like all high
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school movies of like the eighties, but like it is laughable that he is
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supposed to be seventeen years old or that any of them are teenagers, right.
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His age is referenced until like the end of the movie when he says
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like, oh, I guess I'll be thirty seven the next time or forty
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seven the next time you see me. I was like, excuse me,
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he's seventeen. To get the hell out of here. Oh you're not.
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Yeah, developed man, Well, that leads me to like the earlier part
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of the film right before he travels back in time and like everyone he knows,
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you know, like his parents and Biff and all those people like from
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nineteen eighty five. They're obviously all like in makeup and costume to make them
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look older than they are, like for that specific point in the film,
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And like the one thing I didn't really bought, like they didn't really sell
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me on was like all those actors and actresses playing their parents' versions of them,
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like they're playing the parent versions of themselves. Like none of that felt
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right. Yeah, it felt like way, it felt awkward and like super
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forest because like adults don't like tease each other like high schoolers anymore, you
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know, like that doesn't happen. So like that part was like a little
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bit like this is like awkward and not believable. But like the costume stuff
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looks good. They do look older, so I guess that's good. But
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and then his dad, being like extra geeky even as an adult and like
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such a pansy, was like come on, like like I don't know,
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I don't So that was like a little like awkward, I guess, but
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but obviously you know it. Once he traveled back in time, and all
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those actors and actresses are like, you know, they're more like themselves.
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At the time of filming, it got better. At least I was a
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little worried rewatching it. I'm like, oh, man, like I hope
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the acting isn't like this the whole time. But the second Christopher Lloyd pops
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up and we meet Doc Doc Brown. Him and him and Michael J.
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Fox had such a good chemistry on screen and they just like completely drive the
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film. Once we get to meet Doc Brown, it's like freaking fantastic.
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Yeah, Iree, I think I think Doc Brown is like probably like one
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of my favorite old wise mentors of like any like franchise. Like you know,
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he's like the Gandalf or the Dumbledore of this movie. Like he's so
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weird. Yeah, and just it's like out of this freaking world and just
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out of touch. Like I I love Doc Brown. He's he's just so
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great and serious. Shit. I mean, maybe it's a stretch to call
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him a mentor figure, but like I really can't think of another like title
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for him, given like what he is to Marty, Like Marty seems to
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like him for some reason, Like that is like a big flaw with this
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movie. I wish they'd get in I wish they'd explore in this movie,
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right, like why why are they together? Like why are they friends?
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Right? Right? And I mean you can't even blame time travel because and
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we'll get into this, but like there is no loop going on, not
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really right, like times the President is influenced by like the changes happening in
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the past, and the changes in the past haven't happened until like halfway through
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the movie, so like they were friends before that, So it's not like
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he remembered Marty from the fifties, at least at first, right, right,
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So yeah, that's that's always a little weird to me that, you
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know, this older dude is just hanging out with this teenager, Like all
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right now, you guys be you all. This is fine, safe and
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less of course, like because of that, you know, once you start
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the loop or once you travel back in time, then that resets how everything's
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kind of operate. So unless, of course, there was some universal you
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know, like feeling or reasoning why they should be friends, which had to
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do with the fact that they were you know, Marty was eventually going to
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trouble back in time and It's an interesting idea the doc right, because in
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a way they kind of give you the thought that that's possible. Because later
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in the film when he accidentally and when him his mother kiss she's like immediately
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like, well, something just didn't feel right about that at all. I
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feel like I'm making out with my brother or whatever. And then like her
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mother says something similar, right, Like she says, look familiar, there's
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something familiar about you. So there's like there's that whole inner working or inner
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feeling in your you know, mind and body connection about something not being quite
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right. So maybe that same concept works for the reason that Marty McFly and
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the Doc or friends, even though why like they shouldn't be because he's a
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teenager and he's like a crazy doctor that are you know, super far apart
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in age. But there's something there, all right, that right here we
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go together meadow with this movie, all right, you ready? So so
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in the in the computer programming of the universe, since as we know,
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the universe is a hologram, there is a sub command for Marty and Doc
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Brown becoming friends, even though they haven't become friends yet. But it's a
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sub command, right for a bootstrap paradox, which boom, another computer programming
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reference. Right, you boot the computer up. It doesn't make sense.
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How do you turn on a computer when the computer's on? Does How does
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a program in the computer turn the computer on if the computer is off?
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It doesn't make sense. It's a bootstrap paradox. And that's what this is.
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They were always friends, even though they were never friends subprogramming and I
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like it. I think it's I think it's the best explanation I've ever heard.
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It's an explanation. It makes sense, though exactly it makes sense.
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It makes sense. And then and look and then you get them. The
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whole conversation about Marty goes back in time to nineteen fifty five, means you
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know, interacts with his family when you shouldn't. And then it has this
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whole obviously goes through this whole ordeal of trying to get him his father and
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his mother together. But and also in the meantime he goes through you know,
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he goes and meets the doc and you know, the doc like doesn't
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believe him at first, and then obviously Marty tells him the story about how
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he hit his head. It got the you know, cut on his head,
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and like, but now it's like, okay, now he's telling the
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doc what the doc is going to later invent thirty years earlier. So where
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does the where does it start? Right? If he never went back,
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does the dock still invent time travel? We we know he so this is
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yeah, well, so it's actually my point about it not being a loop
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though, because like it's not a true loop. It's not like it's not
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like a twelve Monkeys loop or like by Harry Potter loop. Right, right,
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there is a loop that is created, but the story itself is not,
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right, like the story was linear until the DeLorean gets introduced to the
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fifties, right, Like we actually see like a loop being created in real
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time. So like he hit his head and like it was always going to
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happen, right, which is how we get to nineteen eighty five with the
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Deloreum. But when Marty you know, messes up and ends up in the
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fifties, uh, and gets Brown to believe him based on this knowledge that
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only Brown could have known, right, it does create like a feedback loop
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in that moment. But I don't think that feedback loop existed until Marty went
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back in time in the fifties, you know what I mean, Like,
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it wasn't a loop until then. Yeah, but that's the problem though,
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right, Like, yes, it is. If he traveled to the past,
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it becomes your present, and then you're future becomes your past. It's
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uh, you know, trying to tell me that back to the future is
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a bunch of bullshit. Yes, I've been waiting to drop that line.
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I am telling you that I agree it is because also, theoretically you can't
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travel. There's a there's a concept in time in like time travel theory where
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like you can only travel as far back as as time travel has been invented.
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So so like, as an example, if somebody invented time travel today,
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you couldn't go to the past, like further back. You could come
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back to today one hundred years from now, but you couldn't get go further
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back than when time travel is actually invented. I can't speak to that concept
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any more than what I just said, but it's interesting thing to try to
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think about anyway. So, but that that kind of is where my point
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comes where it's like, well, but obviously in this movie, like in
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nineteen fifty five, time travel wasn't invented but kind of it was the second
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that Marty gets back there and the doc learns about it in nineteen fifty five.
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I don't know, it's it's a part of I think, part of
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my brain. Why they get away with that though, is he brings the
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time travel with him, right right, which I have a whole thing about
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that before we're moving into the mechanics. And I do want to, like,
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like I said, I know we're going to have a big conversation about
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this because yeah, there's weirdly a lot to talk about with this movie.
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Yeah, I do want to bring up two more things just in the story
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of itself. So overall, I adore the story. I think it's it's
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it's a little problematic, but it's fine. It's super fun. The the
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climax is so ridiculous, how like it's just like one thing after the other
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just keeps you on your toes. And that's like I was telling for those
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of you who don't know my fiance, and that's what this trilogy is.
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It's this whole trilogy is just like one tiny horrible thing happening after another until
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everything finally goes right. It's it's good at building suspense, like I will
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give it that I felt like I was in suspense even though I've seen this
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movie so many times. Yea, right, two things about this movie that
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I find weird and hilarious. So Marty can't convince Doc Brown. After after
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Doc Brown's been shot in nineteen eighty five by the Limbians, Marty goes back
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in time. He wants to use this upper cotunity to try and save Doc
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Brown's life. You can't convince Doc to hear him out on the information he
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has that could save his life in the future, right, So ultimately Marty
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decides after Brown rips up the letter about what was going to happen to him,
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Marty decides, wait, I have all the time of the world,
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which this is exactly what Anne said. She's like, why is he freaking
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out? He has a time machine just like go back to before he got
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shot and was like, and stop it, you're spoiling for yourself, right,
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So he does that, right, right, Okay, Let's go back
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to the beginning of the movie when he's at the mall and he time travels
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into Old Man Peabodies farmhouse, right, and he gets chased out right and
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the car breaks down and he hides it behind a sign. We get a
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sign that says at that point he is two miles away from town. You
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see where I'm going with this, So fast forward to the climax of the
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movie. Marty returns to nineteen eighty five, ten ten minutes before the Libyan
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attack and before he takes off into the past, and he's ready to save
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Doc, but the Dolorean, Oh no, it's at a gas again.
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It's just one more thing that's gone wrong, and the Libyans drive right past
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him to go shoot Doc Brown. Marty must have like, it's not impossible,
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but he must have been a track superstar, because he books it to
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the mall, which is over two miles away, in ten minutes or less.
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What he gets there right in time to watch Doc gets you it.
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Joe's been training his whole life and he can't run anywhere near as fast as
27:42
Marty McFly. And he's just he's just he's just upset about it. Joe's
27:45
just upset. Let Joe listen the mile race. For those of you who
27:48
know, it's hell. It's murder and hell, and it's horrible. It's
27:52
one of the worst races. If that was gonna happen to me, I
27:56
think that you're adrenaline would kick in and you'd make it there in time for
28:00
you for you. Maybe good point though, but also you brought this up
28:03
about you know, he tries to give Doc a letter towards the end of
28:07
the film. It's like, don't open this until nineteen eighty five, kind
28:11
of like a loophole in the doc not having to know until the moment that
28:18
he needs to prepare himself basically, which like, okay, maybe that's a
28:19
nice little loophole in the whole, Like, don't you know, tell me
28:23
something about my destiny I'm not supposed to know. The doc rips up this
28:29
damn envelope like in multiple pieces. But at the end of the film,
28:34
after like Marty goes back to the future and like Doc Brown gets like shot,
28:44
but this time he wore a kevlar vest. Freakin'. He pulls out
28:49
the letter that Marty wrote. Well, where the hell did the letter come
28:55
from? It didn't look like it was ripped up. No, yeah,
28:57
he no, if you closely, he taped it. He taped it.
29:00
Okay, I missed that, all right, okay, which, like I
29:04
mean, I'm glad you brought that up because it does beg the question did
29:10
he tape it back together and then not read it and put it in an
29:14
envelope, because it kind of defeats the whole purpose of what Marty was trying
29:18
to do right, exactly the right most like doc ended up just being like,
29:22
oh, screw it, and then just like for thirty years, was
29:26
like, okay, just make sure you wear a vest this day, you
29:27
know whatever. It's like, Okay, I don't think that changes much.
29:30
I've got I don't know. But but but here's the thing. At the
29:34
beginning of the film, when he gets shot the first time, there's not
29:37
like blood splatter, right, it's a movie don't hide behind don't hide behind
29:45
the PG movie thing, because if there's not blood, then the theory goes
29:52
that, you know, it kind of is a little loopy in a sense
29:56
the time travel because he was already wearing the kevlar vest. Yeah, all
30:00
right, So it's to my knowledge as far as man, you cannot talk
30:03
about this movie without talking about the problems with time travel. Yeah, but
30:08
it's it's it's literally impossible. All right. What's your other point before we
30:12
get in the time travel? Chan? Al right, cool, last point?
30:15
And then yeah, times travel. Okay, So it's not really a
30:18
point. It's not really like a plot error or anything. It's just something
30:22
that's weird to me. At the end of this movie, so uh,
30:26
we return to the future the present really, and everything has really come up
30:33
for Marty. His family is doing great now. His father is instilled with
30:37
confidence. It's wonderful. And Biff apparently is like their weird man servant or
30:45
something. Yeah, and like, I don't, like, it's so weird
30:48
to me that like the man who like was going to sexually assault the woman
30:55
who becomes your wife and the mother of your children is just there to be
31:00
like I don't know, like humiliated for like the rest of his life,
31:03
which, like I guess fine, but like he's also like a weird beloved
31:06
member of the family too. It's weird. And he's just like yes to
31:11
you. Yeah, Like he basically turns down to like so weird, Like
31:15
he's like Schniegel basically like you know, like it makes no sense. It's
31:19
he's a bully. He's still a bully. He still was going to be
31:22
a bully, right, Yeah, he's still is going to be a bully.
31:23
Like he can still be a bully after getting punched in the face by
31:27
someone, You're just not a bully to that guy anymore. Like right,
31:30
I was like, totally doesn't make sense, like the whole But but there's
31:36
the problem, right, the problem. The only part of this movie where
31:38
like the characters make sense and the acting all makes sense is when they're time
31:42
traveling to nineteen fifty five. But when they're in nineteen eighty five, the
31:47
characters don't make any sense based on what we know, Like what did what
31:53
did George punching Biff have anything to do with Biff's receding hairline in nineteen eighty
31:57
five? Right, yeah, just like it's so stupid, so stupid.
32:04
Okay, but that's fine, Yes, yes, indeed, all right,
32:07
we're gonna talk about the mechanics, but first let's take a word from our
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sponsors, and we're back. Thank you so much for sticking around. So
32:15
we were just about to talk about the time travel this movie, which,
32:20
as we as I was yelling about before, you can't talk about the plot
32:24
about this movie without talking about the problems with its mechanics of time travel.
32:30
So I'm gonna go ahead and preface by saying most time travel is pretty flawed.
32:35
Right, there's some that are less flawed. I think we've covered a
32:39
few on this podcast already. Twelve Monkeys not that bad, Harry Potter and
32:45
the producer of Azkaban surprisingly good about time problematic. But this movie, wow,
32:53
this movie is time travel. Mechanics don't make a lick of sense.
33:00
Yeah, But to this movie's credit, the creativity on the machine to use
33:08
for time travel, oh yes, is like awesome. Might be the best.
33:13
Yeah, the best that we've reviewed so far. Like the actual mechanism
33:16
in which you time travel, right, yeah, but the science behind it
33:21
not so much. But the tool for time travel this has got I mean,
33:24
this is a it's a classic. It's one of the best ever invented.
33:29
Uh yeah, I mean yeah. Like, like we were saying earlier,
33:34
like it's impossible to ever see a DeLorean or say the word DeLorean and
33:38
not think of time travel, right, And it all goes to the line
33:43
that Doc Brown has when Marty says you turned a DeLorean into a time machine.
33:49
He's like, well, Marty, the way I see it, if
33:51
you're gonna make a time machine, you might as well do it with style,
33:54
and like, what other reason do you need like that. That's that's
33:57
beautiful. I love it. It's so stupid and it's really good. Yeah,
34:00
so good. Oh man, So this this movie, though, I
34:07
agree with you as far as like the tool goes. The tool actually does.
34:09
Like it's pretty simple and it makes sense. Yeah, certainly it's it's
34:14
better than twelve Monkeys, right, and yeah, most of the others that
34:17
we've that we reviewed it as far as like the procedure, it's very straightforward
34:22
and it makes sense there. So before we get to the mechanic, just
34:29
one one like practical thing that I think is so funny about the DeLorean time
34:32
machine. So like, unlike any other like stationary object, the DeLorean has
34:38
to be moving specifically at eighty eight miles per hour, which I presume is
34:43
because it's two infinity signs sideways. I don't know. I don't know.
34:47
That's actually a good point. That might be the reason, I think.
34:52
But uh so it has to always move right, and like what I find
34:57
so like hilarious about that is that means wherever it is going, it will
35:01
almost inevitably run into something, and in this movie it almost always does.
35:07
It always runs into something like a building, trash canyons, like anything.
35:13
It's usually building. It's almost always a building, luckily diver people. Yeah,
35:17
uh so ridiculous. But by the way, this thing can take a
35:23
beating, Like this thing is in multiple accidents and it looks fine. Yeah,
35:29
like the most durable time travel machine as well. It seems eleg en
35:36
durable. So like from the tool perspective, right, Like, and then's
35:42
the flux capacitor, which is what you need to like time travel essentially,
35:50
right, Yeah, yeah, I guess the flux is really truly the time
35:54
machine. Right, it's really like the tool, right, and you but
35:58
you need like nuclear electron generation at least at the beginning, like the earlier
36:04
version of it, right, you need plutonium because it needs to be like
36:07
powered by nuclear energy essentially. Well, he said it wasn't being powered by
36:10
it. He said it was being powered electrically and like the plutonium was just
36:15
giving it like it was the thing. It was the element that had like
36:19
enough of a spark, right that would generate one point too. By the
36:22
way, they mispronounced gigawats, and I think that's so funny. They keep
36:27
saying jigawatts throughout the whole movie. It's it's gigawatts like it's supposed to be
36:32
gigawatts, and I don't know if they just thought jiggawatts sounded better or if
36:37
they legitimately didn't know. It's kind of like the Star Wars thing of Parsec
36:42
and they're using it wrong in that movie too. Just hilarious. It does
36:47
sound cool. I like the way it sounds, and then and then the
36:53
uh, the look on the dashboard they've got the what is it? What
36:58
is the destination you're present? And then where you currently are? Those three
37:02
yeah, yeah, or where you came from? Yeah, destination where you
37:07
came from? Yeah, where you came from, and where you currently are?
37:09
And I have in the wrong order, but yeah, those are the
37:12
three. Yeah, so good. I don't yet anything else on the Deloreum,
37:19
I mean on the Deloorian specifically, I guess only I don't understand the
37:25
I wish they explained why it gets covered in ice, like is it traveling
37:31
in the vacuum of space or something like it doesn't seem like it, Like
37:36
I wish you just explained real quick, like where where did the ice come
37:38
from? Yeah? That's a good point because like, and the only way
37:43
I can see that happening is like if it as it slips out of the
37:47
current time, it slips into like a temporary like dimension where there is literally
37:54
an absence of heat. There's like there's no heat at all, just in
38:00
di freeze. But yeah, based on what we know from Einstein and from
38:06
Einstein being the dog not the man, I just want to be clear,
38:10
based on what we know from Einstein and from Marty, the trip is instantaneous.
38:15
So like, I mean for ice to develop like that, would that's
38:21
gotta be an incredible amount of like cold that you're exposed to, right,
38:25
so, like, what what is happening? Like it feels like he's slipping
38:29
into another dimension just really quick, but like how and why? You know,
38:35
Yeah, that's an interesting point. I don't know. It was a
38:38
weird choice too, like because they did that specifically, right, And I
38:43
don't know if it was just because oh that feels more sciency, which I
38:46
mean mission accomplished it did, but yeah, they never really explained it,
38:52
which you don't have to. I'm just I'm just curious from a nerd perspective,
38:55
right, Yeah, Yeah, I don't know. That's a good point.
39:01
I have flowed that up. Just let's just talk about the time travel
39:06
mechanic, Like, okay, you know, Dick, So I love this
39:14
movie. I have no regrets about choosing this movie. But when we get
39:17
to scoring, I am here because I am already behind Nick in the time
39:22
travel draft as far as scoring goes. And for those who have been following
39:27
this, who for those who haven't. We judged this in three categories.
39:31
We review the movie based on, you know, the movie itself, how
39:35
good it was, the time travel mechanic, which I'm not looking forward to,
39:39
And then oh my god, what's what's the third category? Oh?
39:43
How well this fit in the category it was drafted in? Right, So
39:49
two of those that feel pretty good about. But man, did I forget
39:52
really how problematic the times is. I will say that the the being such
40:00
a cool tool and being well, like they did explain the deloreum very well
40:07
they did, and like how to time travel? That is going to give
40:10
you a better score than Groundhog Day and already, but the actual science part
40:19
for time travel will hurt. But I think you'll get better scores than groundhog
40:22
Day. But all right, I need them. Yeah anyway, all right,
40:27
so this movie here, So this movie basically like is telling us it's
40:32
relying on the Grandfather paradox, right, which is if you if you go
40:38
back in time and you gross, if you have sex with your grandma,
40:45
will you end up becoming your own grandfather and continuing the loop? Right?
40:52
That's that's what this movie is like doing, right essentially, But in this
40:58
case, it's if if Marty removes his father right from the equation, Marty
41:05
will cease to exist in the future. Right. But the problem with that
41:08
in the Grandfather Paradox. Oh wait, I messed up the Grandfather paradox.
41:14
I forgot that's the plot of Futurama, not the Grandfather Paradox. I messed
41:16
up the Grandfather paradox. All right, all right, So that's the plot
41:22
of the Futurama episode that messes with the Grandfather paradox. It's a great episode.
41:25
Sorry if I spoiled it for you. It's great. But anyway,
41:31
the Grandfather paradox. Can you tell me watch too much Time Trouble stuff?
41:35
We can't keep anything straight. I love it. I love Time Trouble so
41:38
much. It's so stupid talking about the Futurama episode. For so, the
41:44
Grandfather paradox is actually, if you go back in time and you shoot your
41:49
own grandfather. There we go, then you would cease to exist. That's
41:52
that's the grandfather paradox, not the Futurama plot anyway. So but the problem
42:01
with that is if you shot your own grandfather, then you'd cease to exist,
42:05
in which case you never would have traveled in time and you never would
42:07
have shot your grandfather in the first place, So then you would exist,
42:09
right, that doesn't it doesn't make sense. So like that's exactly what this
42:14
movie is is portraying. So the whole issue of Marty ceasing to exist,
42:20
well, it would just put him right back where he always was, because
42:23
you know, the time travel then never would have happened, and he'd be
42:27
right back. Like funny enough, like if Marty does nothing after, like
42:30
he messes things up, like things returned back to normal realistically, at least
42:36
based on that principle. According to this movie, No, Marty just won't
42:39
exist and like the time travel will continue to exist for some reason, right,
42:46
which doesn't really make any sense. Nor does the time delay in which
42:51
like his siblings are disappearing in the photo. I like the photo. It's
42:55
cool. It makes for a neat plot point. And to check the prop
43:00
dress, right, yeah, it's a progress checker. I particularly didn't like
43:04
it, like I thought it was. It's just for one, it's more
43:08
proof that their concept doesn't make sense. Why they're showing us a fucking photo
43:13
with like disintegrating like bodies like slowly, like a loading bar, like deloading,
43:21
like deloading health. It's like a health bar in a video game,
43:23
like, oh, you're slowly losing health and when it goes to zero,
43:27
you no longer exist, like you're slowly stupid, Like it makes no sense
43:34
zero. You're an only child, so stupid. I did not like that
43:37
part of the film, Like that was dumb. Definitely, it helps you
43:42
realize how poor the actual time travel mechanic is. It doesn't help you,
43:49
like it's it's a fun thing for the film, right. And then at
43:52
the very end, when he's like starting to disintegrate on stage while playing guitar,
43:59
I'm like, okay, this is that's that's a little much, guys,
44:02
Like right right, this this movie loves to lay it on thick with
44:07
the suspense. It's like, oh no, what's gonna happen. He's disappearing.
44:13
It's like really, now, now, why was it? Why didn't
44:16
it happen immediately after after he saved George, Right, come on, because
44:22
then the body it couldn't happen of course, of course, so that was
44:28
like a little fun you know, a little funny, Like didn't particularly love
44:30
that. But but yeah, this is I don't even know where to start,
44:37
Like travels back in time, meets his whole family, which is like,
44:45
you know, breaking all the rules of time travel. You're not supposed
44:47
to interact with anyone. Well, I guess he that, you know,
44:52
even though he wasn't born yet, you know, that whole that whole thing,
44:54
like mother falls in love with him weirdly, super awkward, and then
45:01
he spends the whole movie trying to like get his father and his mother together.
45:07
I still can't believe I vessed up grandfather parad drama so funny. I
45:16
can't get over that. Oh my goodness, embarrassed. Hey, at least
45:25
you corrected it. At least I caught it. Yeah, that would have
45:30
been terrible if he didn't catch that, that would have been hysterical. Yeah,
45:37
But like, I don't know, it's not that the time travel doesn't
45:42
make sense, like, you know, like he goes back in time,
45:45
interacts with his family eventually, Like you know, it does make some sense
45:51
that like his parents do have to get together or he won't he won't exist.
45:54
It's not that he wanted he would disappear though, right, It's just
45:58
that there would be a version of time that he's no longer in. But
46:06
I know that's kind of my problem with this movie because like it's the timeline
46:12
is always the same, right, And like, yeah, I think when
46:16
I was reading up on this movie, like the writers Robert Zemeckis there you
46:22
go, uh and Bob Gail, they were saying that like they wanted because,
46:28
like I guess, like so many like time travel stories of that era
46:31
or that had come before time was like immutable, and they wanted to create
46:37
a story in which like hey, like what if you could go back in
46:38
time and like change things, right, and then you know you could return
46:44
and be the only one who has knowledge of the difference. Right, But
46:47
like it doesn't it doesn't make sense because like usually like the way that that
46:52
works is like well, like you've entered like a different timeline, right,
46:55
right, But this is just one timeline all the way through, and it's
46:59
just it's always changing, right, But like slowly and there's this he change
47:05
and he made such a big difference in his parents' lives by going back in
47:09
time, by how they are now after he's gotten back to where like they
47:15
obviously would remember him, and there was nothing in the movie at the end,
47:19
I'm like, oh, yeah, we named you Marty after this guy
47:22
that we met in high school, right, like, which is super weird.
47:25
That could have just been enough to be like okay, like there's some
47:30
acknowledgment that they remember this kid from way back when you know, I mean
47:34
they do. They do sort of say it, like toward the end,
47:37
like the last interaction he has with Lorraine and George, Lorrain's for some reason,
47:42
like as they're saying goodbye Lorraine, cos Marty's such a nice name,
47:46
and like it's like okay, yeah, we get it. Well yeah right,
47:51
but like that that's that's was still nineteen fifty five I'm talking about,
47:58
Like there's nothing in like nineteen eighty when he gets back, right leads you
48:02
to believe that they remember this whole thing happening, Like they didn't tell us
48:07
the story about how they met again that's true, yeah, right, like
48:12
the whole like the whole the whole time we're like, oh, the way
48:15
they met, like my dad hit him in with the car, and then
48:16
I met him and I fell in love with him like then and we kissed
48:20
at the dance and blah blah blah. You would think that they would like
48:23
tell the story again just a little differently and include Marty maybe, and then
48:28
it could have been the cool scene for Marty back in nineteen eighty five,
48:30
awkwardly being like, oh, yeah, I love that story or whatever,
48:34
you know, like I was actually that you know that was me, but
48:37
you don't remember because it's been so long. But they don't do that,
48:39
which I don't. I don't know. It felt like kind of a missed
48:43
opportunity or they could have like had some Yeah. Instead they chose like to
48:47
show us Biff being like a guy watched his cars like voice, yeah,
48:53
so weird. We just had to get that one last gag in on the
49:00
Bully. Just one one more. Yeah, I love the woman in the
49:06
in the Enchantment under the Sea dance, Uh, George and larrain A dancing
49:10
past a couple and like the couple's like, George, I heard you knocked
49:14
out Biff. Really cool man, and the other girl's like you should run
49:17
for class president. Yeah, what man, the fifties were a different time.
49:23
I guess, My goodness, it's so ridiculous. But by I keep
49:29
meaning to bring this up. One of my favorite lines in this movie is
49:32
Lorraine's father after after he hits Marty he gets out of the car. Yeah,
49:38
like another one of these damn kids jumped in front of my car.
49:45
He's probably killed like four kids, right. This movie like says certain things
49:50
at times, like the terrorists and then like this where it's like this man
49:53
has hitting multiple children and we're just gonna gloss over that. Yeah, so
49:59
ridiculous, so ridiculous. What else? What else about time travel? Anything
50:06
else? I think? I think that's kind of it for me, Like
50:08
it's kind of forward, right, Like what's that? Yeah, I mean
50:12
straightforward. It's problematic because like there are some things that feel like they could
50:19
be rectified a bit easier, and some of like the actual like plot doesn't
50:24
make sense. I mean, it's a good movie plot right right, and
50:29
it's it's fun, but like as far as like the time travel goes,
50:32
like well, why is there a delay? Like why didn't he why is
50:35
he still here? Like why can he do anything? About any of this.
50:38
Yeah, the movie's not really interested in answering that. It's it's it's
50:44
creating its own rules where we're going we don't need rules. We're going we
50:47
don't need. Now we have to watch Back to the Future too, I
50:54
know, I mean definitely it was. It was in our draft two and
51:00
three. Yeah, and like it did feel weird to draft one knowing that
51:07
two and three weren't going to get drafted, right, And I mean like
51:12
we'll watch them eventually for sure. But yeah, I mean, like the
51:15
complete story really is all three movies, right, It's kind of like a
51:19
Lord Yeah. I maybe this might be blasphemous, but sort of a Lord
51:22
of the Ring situation. Yeah, right, Well, I mean I picked
51:27
Terminator too. I skipped right over Terminator. No, I have no problem
51:30
with that. I think that was a great decision. Yeah, of course,
51:32
of course everyone knows Terminator two is better anyway, he is the best
51:37
fight us man. Let's do scores. Yeah, yeah, I think it'd
51:45
be that time. So, as we mentioned earlier, we we give this
51:50
movie three scores each. The first is for the plot, so out of
51:54
five nick or not the plot, but the movie itself just yeah, how
52:00
do you How do you feel about the movie itself? Absolute classic? Yeah,
52:06
still holds up, super fun. I I it's yeah, it's just
52:10
a classic at a five man. These are so tough because I love these
52:17
movies, these kinds of movies so much, so I want to say,
52:21
like four point seven, I'm gonna give it the plot, HI on the
52:27
plot, or I keep saying plot, HI on the movie, high on
52:30
the movie. Yeah, it's a fun movie. It's super fun. I'm
52:34
not docking points for the time travel mechanic or anything like, it's just you
52:37
know, overall, it's awesome. Yeah, because right now we're just talking
52:40
about performance, we're talking about music, we're talking about directing, the writing.
52:45
Yeah. I also I love scoring. I love scoring these films because
52:47
I never know what the hell I've scored movies before. Like I'm just throwing
52:51
numbers out like I don't know, like you, if you tell me what
52:54
my my favorite movie is from the ones we've scored, like, I'll be
52:59
shocked at which one it is, because I have no clue what I've scored.
53:01
Will you be shocked that if I tell you it was Harry Potter and
53:05
the Prisoner of Azkaban not shocked. Not shocked on that one. Never mind
53:08
number two much shock me number too much shock, I think. Let me
53:14
let me try to remember here, we've done Groundhoun Day, about Time,
53:21
twelve Monkeys, and then Harry Potter. Of those, i'd have to go
53:24
back. Actually I don't have to go back. I can look this up
53:28
really quick. What was what was Nick's number two? As far as plot
53:32
goes, you want to take a guest first, I'm thinking you said twelve
53:36
monkeys too, but we're about to fight out here. Yeah, okay,
53:38
so Nick, are you not plot? No, it wasn't. Actually it
53:45
was about time. Oh yeah, now now I think about that makes sense,
53:50
That makes sense. Yeah, that time is fucking perfect. So anyway,
53:53
all right, you're up summary, give us your score. Yeah,
53:57
so a movie plot, keep doing that movie. I think this movie is
54:04
awesome. It's just when when I think of summer blockbusters, like this is
54:08
definitely one of the first films that I think of, you know, like
54:12
this is the fun of going to the movie theater. It's it's got good
54:15
suspense, it's funny, it's just a good time, you know. Definitely
54:21
a movie you can just throw on in the background or just sit there and
54:23
focus. It's good for all of it. So for me, I think,
54:30
I think, man, it's tough. I'm gonna go fo a,
54:35
I'm gonna go a little higher than you. And I'm definitely biased on it.
54:39
I wish I could give it a five. Some of the writing doesn't
54:43
make sense, right, Like the whole Biff thing is so weird, and
54:51
yeah, there are some other plot holes, but like it's it's just got
54:52
such good energy for a movie. Man, this is this is why we
54:57
go to the movies. I love this movie. It's a It's an absolute
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classic for sure. Yeah. Okay, speaking of which, I'm so happy
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to hear you say that category was time travel classics. How well does this
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film fit category of time travel classic? This is a five out of five.
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This is perfect as you get for a category fits fits perfectly. I
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have no no argument nothing. It's a five. Moving moving on. It's
55:27
moving on, no nuts. Yeah, that's that's that's me too. It's
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it's a five. I like, I don't even understand how what would be
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the argument against this? Right? Like? And I feel like that that
55:38
is something about this category that's either going to be I feel like there's gonna
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be no in between in this particular category, right, it's it's gonna be
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like a one or other it's a classic or it's yeah or it's not.
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Yeah. Right, So yeah, I think you have you have T two
55:52
for classic, right, yeah? Oh boy, I wonder what that's gonna
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get for this category. Well, why do you think when did T two
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come out? Do we know? I want to say ninety two? Okay,
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I could be wrong, but I think it's ninety two. I think
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there could be an argument that, like after the nineties it could maybe not
56:15
be a classic just yet. You could maybe make that argument. So it's
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possible depending on yeah, how recent you made it? How recent? Yeah,
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so we'll see point. But but yeah, yeah, that's that's a
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good point. So, like as far as this goes, yeah, like
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how much like moving forward, well, not moving forward, but for for
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this particular like category, Yeah, I think it's important to like remember like
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like you know, how how much of it of a staple is it today?
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And like how much does this particular movie like inform the genre like moving
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forward? Right? Right? And I think that is a really good argument.
56:57
I think for both of those movies T two and Back to the Future
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I think like that argument is easy, especially like some of the original concepts
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that those movies like lay down right, Okay, this is the one that
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we've been waiting for. I'm gonna go first for the time travel score here.
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I I can't go any higher than a two. I really can't.
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Some of some of the time travel just doesn't make any sense. To quote
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Scott Lang and I'll say it again, back to the Future is a bunch
57:30
of bullshit. It kind of is. I mean, like, like you
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said, the tool makes sense, but like, man, are the rules
57:40
wonky after that? And like the rules just are the rules so the movie
57:45
can happen, and like right, and like to me, that's not a
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good argument. And only the only reason why it's not a one is because
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it's got style. That's it. So what's your score? Two? Okay,
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I'm gonna be a little bit more generous because I think that the the
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tool, you know, the Doloreus, is the coolest way to time travel,
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and so I'm giving it a two point five uh for time travel mechanic.
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And that's that's all I need to say. I agree with all of
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your other points. That's so stupid. Why has it ever seeding hairline.
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Yeah so dumb. Oh man, uh glad. I'm very glad you corrected
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your Futurama mistake earlier. That's why. I don't even know why I thought
58:42
that was okay. I was just like, yeah, well you just you
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have section with your grandma and like, yeah, what come you? Yeah?
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Yeah, I was like, what is happening? Anyway, that's a
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review. The last thing I have to say is roads. Where we're going,
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we don't need roads. I love that. And until next time,
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Hey, the review be with you, Hey,