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End of Month Recap: Taylor Parker, Mackenzie Shirilla, Anna Kepner & More · Legally Brunette

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to Legally Brunettes. I'll be your host today,
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Speaker 1: Emily Simpson with Shane. Today, we are going to do
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Speaker 1: an end of the month recap. We're just going to
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Speaker 1: go through some of the cases that we talked about,
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Speaker 1: our thoughts on the cases, and any new information nowhere,
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Speaker 1: Where are they now? I like that Let's first, let's
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Speaker 1: talk about We just did an episode on this, but
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Speaker 1: I feel like this is where we should start. It's
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Speaker 1: the Taylor Parker Reagan Simmons Hancock case. You remember, Taylor
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Speaker 1: Parker was the girl that faked the pregnancy, oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: and then ended up murdering her friend Reagan.
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Speaker 2: She'd just faked the pregnancy. She faked everything that goes
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Speaker 2: along with the pregnancy, right all the way down to
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Speaker 2: the gender reveal, party.
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Speaker 1: Rights and the and she did the pregnancy photos. And
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Speaker 1: then Taylor was convicted of capital murder in twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: two and sentenced to death and she currently remains on
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Speaker 1: death row without a set execution date. I hope that
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Speaker 1: execution date just comes in. I would like to know.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to put it on my calendar.
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Speaker 2: You want to add that to your tour.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to put it on my calendar. Let's just
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Speaker 1: add a little bit more. I think it's important to
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Speaker 1: talk about Reagan. I didn't know much about Reagan from
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Speaker 1: the documentary, and also there wasn't a lot of focus
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Speaker 1: on her early life, so I don't know a lot
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Speaker 1: about that, because sometimes you want to know how did
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Speaker 1: someone end up like this?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: I mean the lying, the habitual and the compulsive lying
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Speaker 1: is one thing. But the fact that she committed a
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Speaker 1: gruesome murder and two people are dead, that takes it
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Speaker 1: to a whole nother level. That's not just sociopath lying,
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Speaker 1: compulsive lying. That's evil. You're evil?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, to cut a baby out as all right.
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Speaker 1: Reagan's mother, Jessica Brooks, sat down for an interview with
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Speaker 1: Texarcana magazine, and she described Reagan as a very sweet
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Speaker 1: child who didn't care about toys, but was into shoes
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Speaker 1: and fashion. She was the second oldest of four siblings
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Speaker 1: in a blended family. Reagan always had the biggest heart,
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Speaker 1: but she could be a little spitfire too. She was
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Speaker 1: sweet as sugar one minute and all attitude the next.
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Speaker 1: According to Brooks, she said something was wrong with her
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Speaker 1: daughter when she did not report to work that's this
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Speaker 1: is the morning of October ninth, twenty twenty, and didn't
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Speaker 1: drop her daughter Kenley off at daycare. Because you remember,
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Speaker 1: Taylor went to her house very very early. She had
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Speaker 1: been at her house the night before visiting, and then
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Speaker 1: she went to her house the next morning early. Reagan's husband,
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Speaker 1: his name is Homer, said that he was getting odd
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Speaker 1: text messages from her that did not sound like her,
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Speaker 1: so we know at this point she was already dead
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Speaker 1: and that Taylor was using her phone to pretend to
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Speaker 1: be her right. And also I read that Homer, this
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Speaker 1: is the husband who lost Reagan and lost the baby.
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Speaker 1: His daughter is suing Wade, Taylor's boyfriend, and Taylor's estate
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Speaker 1: for wrongful death. But you know, I never understand why
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Speaker 1: you sue someone for wrongful death when they don't.
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Speaker 2: Have because if you want to get the well, it's
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Speaker 2: easy to get the it's easier to get the verdict
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Speaker 2: once the criminal case is done, right the civil verdict.
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Speaker 2: So you never know. There might be money to be
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Speaker 2: made as a result of the crime. They might stumble across,
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Speaker 2: they might win the lottery. But the idea is you're
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Speaker 2: putting your stake in the ground, saying if you get something,
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Speaker 2: it's mine.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So a he has a civil suit out there
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Speaker 1: against Wade and against Taylor, So we'll see what happens
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Speaker 1: with that. Also, you know, I posted this on Instagram,
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Speaker 1: just a clip of us talking about it, and there
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Speaker 1: were a lot of comments, and some of the comments
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Speaker 1: had to do with HIPPA because you remember when we
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Speaker 1: talked about this case, I told you that they even
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Speaker 1: had you know, medical you know doctors and maybe I
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Speaker 1: don't know exactly, but medical professional that knew Taylor because
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Speaker 1: they knew she had had a hysterectomy. They knew that
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Speaker 1: she was faking your pregnancy because it was a small
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Speaker 1: town each other. However, HIPPA laws prevent them from being
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Speaker 1: able to say anything. But is that good or bad?
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Speaker 1: The only thing is what did I don't think it's foreseeable.
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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody thought that they had an obligation
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Speaker 1: or a duty to report it, even because of HIPPA,
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Speaker 1: Because it's not foreseeable that she would have done such
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Speaker 1: a horribly gruesome thing. I think people thought, what is
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Speaker 1: she going to do? She's going to have to come.
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Speaker 2: Clean, right, I mean it's like, yeah, you can't, you
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Speaker 2: can't no for them. It would have been a stretch
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Speaker 2: for them to expect them to think a crime is
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Speaker 2: about to take place as a result of her behavior.
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Speaker 2: I need to call them out on it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't right because I know there were a
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Speaker 1: lot of fortune commenting that, you know, Wade did. I
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Speaker 1: I was irritated with Wade. I told you that his
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Speaker 1: complete indifference and lack of emotion bugged me because I said,
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Speaker 1: all along, this whole thing could have been prevented if
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Speaker 1: he just said, everyone's saying you're faking a pregnancy, take
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Speaker 1: your shirt off right now and show me that you're pregnant.
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Speaker 1: I mean, and that could have solved this. And Reagan
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Speaker 1: would probably still be here if he could have just
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Speaker 1: had the balls to do that. But he never did.
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Speaker 1: But you can't hold someone accountable for that. There's no
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Speaker 1: criminal liability in that. Is there a moral duty I
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Speaker 1: don't know, maybe, but there's no criminal activity by not
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Speaker 1: doing something like that. You know they don't. There's no
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Speaker 1: obligation or duty on the behalf of his family that
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Speaker 1: were aware that she was faking it to call her
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Speaker 1: out or to do something more than what they had done,
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Speaker 1: Which is too bad because I feel like if someone
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Speaker 1: had stepped in and done something more aggressive, it could
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Speaker 1: have changed the trajectory.
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Speaker 2: And also the husband had more of a position to
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Speaker 2: call her out on it. I mean, he's of all
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Speaker 2: the people, he's the one that should have identified it.
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Speaker 2: He should have been the most suspicious. He should have
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Speaker 2: called her out on it or wanted proof one way other,
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Speaker 2: not all these outside people.
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Speaker 1: Right. All right, let's move on to another case we
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Speaker 1: talked about this month. It was Anna Kepner. If you remember,
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Speaker 1: Anna Kaepner was an eighteen year old who was murdered
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Speaker 1: a November of twenty twenty five aboard a Carnival cruise ship.
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Speaker 1: She was found strangled and hidden under the cabin bed
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Speaker 1: and her stepbrother, sixteen year old Timothy Hudson, was indicted
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Speaker 1: as an adult on charges of first degree murder and
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Speaker 1: aggravated sexual abuse. His trial is currently scheduled for September
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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty six, which is very soon now. The
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Speaker 1: last episode that we did on this we talked about
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Speaker 1: how the judge made that which I kept emphasizing was
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Speaker 1: a temporary order that he was not detained. Remember, he
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Speaker 1: went back to live with the uncle, who also had
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Speaker 1: minor children. Yeah, and a lot of people were up
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Speaker 1: in a frenzy about that, but we talked about how
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Speaker 1: he's in the federal system now, and the federal judge,
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Speaker 1: I think didn't know what to do with him because
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Speaker 1: he's a minor. He's only sixteen, and so the order
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Speaker 1: was temporary. It was basically saying, I need some more
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Speaker 1: information before I make a final.
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Speaker 2: Real decision, and you don't want to ruin the case
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Speaker 2: from the beginning and violate someone's civil rights. And then
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden they use that to kind of
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Speaker 2: clout the whole murder.
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Speaker 1: And so the newest update in this case is that
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Speaker 1: Timothy Hudson's pre trial release has now been revoked. Timothy
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Speaker 1: surrendered to the US marshals on June fifteenth. Judge Torres
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Speaker 1: wrote in the order, and this is a copy of
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Speaker 1: which it was obtained by People Magazine, that the prosecution's
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Speaker 1: case for a forcible rape is beyond clear and convincing,
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Speaker 1: adding that it suggests a level of psychopathy and lack
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Speaker 1: of remorse that by itself raises a serious concern that
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Speaker 1: Hudson can snap at any time, despite the well meaning
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Speaker 1: and the serious efforts of his caretakers. To make sure
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Speaker 1: that does not happen.
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Speaker 2: You know, that's interesting to think that, like he's never
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Speaker 2: if you were to say, oh, he's never had a
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Speaker 2: history of any kind, well, that could be even more psycho.
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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, he could snap. So you're saying he
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Speaker 2: looks perfectly innocent and then all of a sudden he
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Speaker 2: clements his violent crime and murder or someone like, that's
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Speaker 2: almost more concerning. That's what the part equally concerned.
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Speaker 1: Right, And I think that's what the prosecution was honing
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Speaker 1: in on, was he did snap. And that's what's scary
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Speaker 1: about him is that he portrays himself to be calm
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Speaker 1: and he's never had any incidents. There wasn't anything that
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Speaker 1: made anyone question, although there was the thing about where
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Speaker 1: the boyfriend said that the stepbrother had climbed in bed
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Speaker 1: with her, and you know, I mean there were some
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Speaker 1: allegations that he had done some weird things, uncomfortable.
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Speaker 2: Boy like he's stupid kind of behavior, right. You know,
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Speaker 2: do you remember the case where it was, like I
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Speaker 2: think it was in Canada when we were younger. He
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Speaker 2: in this sleep, he wakes up, so he's walking in
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Speaker 2: his sleep. He like drives to his law's house and
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Speaker 2: he like kills laws. Yeah. And then there was another
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Speaker 2: case I remember in the States where he woke up
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Speaker 2: and he went down to the community pool like it
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Speaker 2: was a condominium complex or something and killed his I think,
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Speaker 2: killed his wife. And so then the idea was, like
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Speaker 2: the defense was like he was he was asleep, he
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Speaker 2: didn't know he.
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Speaker 1: Did, like sleepwalking type of thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the claim and the one words the
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Speaker 2: in laws. I think in Canada he got off. But anyway,
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Speaker 2: besides the point, I remember learning at that point a
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Speaker 2: reason why you would put someone like that in jail
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Speaker 2: even if they did it in their sleep. Like let's
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Speaker 2: say they are totally innocent, they had not a bad
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Speaker 2: bone in their body, and they did it in their
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Speaker 2: sleep and they killed this person, they could do it again,
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Speaker 2: and that's why you lock him up, exactly. And so
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Speaker 2: this guy, it's like, yeah, Okay, he's a good kid,
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Speaker 2: he looks like a good kid. He could do it.
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Speaker 1: Again, right because he snapped.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't still treat it like an isolated incident, right, Exactly?
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Speaker 1: Why do you think this case has been so interesting?
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Speaker 1: You know, because I mean there's there's death that happens
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Speaker 1: all the time. Is it because it's she's a cheerleader,
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Speaker 1: remember we always talk about the headlines cheerlater. Is it
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Speaker 1: because brothers is cute?
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Speaker 2: Young?
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Speaker 1: Her life's been snuffed out on a cruise ship. The
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Speaker 1: kids young and clean cut looking.
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Speaker 2: I think a cruise ship makes it, you know, a
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Speaker 2: story like right, jurisdiction and what happened? Everything's on the
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Speaker 2: boat right right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: And then she was found under I mean there's a
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Speaker 2: lot of holes, but there's kind of a story you
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Speaker 2: can put together. She was under the bed.
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Speaker 1: Well they've put it together with all the forensic data now.
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Speaker 2: They have even in the beginning.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well, we will definitely continue to follow
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Speaker 1: the Anna Keepner case. He does go to trial in
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Speaker 1: September of twenty twenty six in case it gets continued,
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Speaker 1: but I don't see a reason why it would, So
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Speaker 1: we will follow the trial and continue to talk about it.
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Speaker 1: Another big case that we followed, which was huge. I
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Speaker 1: would say this was bigger than anyone that we've followed,
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Speaker 1: the Mackenzie Shrilla. Oh, it was just and when I
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Speaker 1: say big, I just mean it was everywhere, widespread, widespread,
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Speaker 1: everyone was talking about everybody had an opinion about it.
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Speaker 1: Everyone had an opinion about McKenzie. It was just it
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Speaker 1: was hard to go on any kind of social media.
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Speaker 2: Well now Allen liked her. No, it was just whether
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Speaker 2: she wanted to kill herself or just him.
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Speaker 1: Well, that was right, and that was my biggest takeaway.
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Speaker 1: Was was her act to kill them specifically or was
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Speaker 1: her act just to.
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Speaker 2: Dom's sister, said Christine. Christine who was the sister of
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Speaker 2: the boyfriend that died in the passengor's seat, She said
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Speaker 2: she if I remember correctly, she said she didn't think
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Speaker 2: that mackenzie thought about it at all. It was almost improvised,
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Speaker 2: like maybe maybe the thoughts of it's like if thoughts
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Speaker 2: of suicide running your head all the time and then
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Speaker 2: finally you pull the trigger, right, you don't really think
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Speaker 2: so in this case, she probably was thinking about killing Dom,
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Speaker 2: killing herself, killing Dom, killing us, like it was always
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Speaker 2: right there head, Because didn't she make those threats all
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Speaker 2: the time. Yeah, those empty threats, or at least the
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Speaker 2: time they're empty. And then now they probably got in
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Speaker 2: a fight. And I think, if I remember right, the
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Speaker 2: boy in the back, what they thought he was. He
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Speaker 2: was on his phone, he had phone activity, and they
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Speaker 2: thought he was doing that just to stay out of
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Speaker 2: their argument, and then maybe there's an argument, and then
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Speaker 2: she just punched the gas and turned the car and
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Speaker 2: punched it and killed it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I agree with that to a certain extent,
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Speaker 1: except I can't consolidate that with the fact that we
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Speaker 1: know that she did a dry run in that same
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Speaker 1: area three days before, and which means she scoped it out.
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Speaker 1: So then at the time, My question is, at the
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Speaker 1: time when she's doing the dry run, she's driving me around,
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Speaker 1: she's looking at the area, is she thinking I could
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Speaker 1: drive into that wall at one hundred miles per hour
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Speaker 1: and kill both of us or that would be a
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Speaker 1: good way to kill him and I'll just make sure
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Speaker 1: I have a seatbelt on.
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Speaker 2: The question is, at what point in time did she
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Speaker 2: decide to run into the wall, right like when they
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Speaker 2: were getting in the car. Did she know I'm going
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Speaker 2: to go home and I'm going to go this way?
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Speaker 2: And she has not one to tell us truthfully anyway, So.
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Speaker 1: You'll never know because all she's going to say is
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Speaker 1: she had no intent and she didn't mean to do it.
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Speaker 2: She doesn't remember any she doesn't remember anything.
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Speaker 1: So Natalie Shrilla, who is Mackenzie's mother did another interview.
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Speaker 1: I have said repeatedly that her parents need to stop talking.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why they think that they should continue
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Speaker 1: to do interviews, because I feel like each one is
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Speaker 1: just worse than the one.
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Speaker 2: The only daughter or the only child they have no.
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Speaker 1: Remember we did an episode where we found out that
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Speaker 1: she had a sister they had never brought, that was
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Speaker 1: not in any of the media before, and that there
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Speaker 1: was a sister that it's.
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Speaker 2: Probably these parents can't get past. It's a way of
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Speaker 2: denying that their daughter did anything wrong is by constantly
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Speaker 2: fighting it still.
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Speaker 1: In June fourteenth, Natalie Shirilla did an interview with The
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Speaker 1: Daily Mail, opening up about Mackenzie's time behind bars. Mackenzie
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Speaker 1: has accumulated thirty six misconduct tickets for prison rule violations.
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Speaker 1: Her mother pushed back on some of them, saying, quote
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Speaker 1: a lot of the tickets she got were for stuff
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Speaker 1: she wouldn't even know were rules, like wearing her uniform
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Speaker 1: end quote, why would you get any kind of trouble
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Speaker 1: for wearing your uniform? That doesn't even make any sense.
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Speaker 1: It's her mom. It's again, it's the mother making excuses,
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Speaker 1: oh and not taking any accountability or or making her
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Speaker 1: daughter take.
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Speaker 2: Any account of move out at the early age moving
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Speaker 2: her mom's a sicko.
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Speaker 1: Among the infractions where tickets related to allegedly making sexually
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Speaker 1: explicit video calls with a former inmate not only address
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Speaker 1: those with some candor. I mean, she's in her twenties,
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Speaker 1: so I don't know about that one. All I can
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Speaker 1: say is Mackenzie is not violent or aggressive. She's like,
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Speaker 1: I don't care if she makes sexually explicit videos. She's
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Speaker 1: a young girl.
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Speaker 2: Whatever, let her live her best life. Again.
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Speaker 1: Let me just say she's not violent or aggressive and.
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Speaker 2: Through this daughter like she wishes she was younger and
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Speaker 2: back out there.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, there's always that I have
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Speaker 1: a teenage daughter. There's we together, you and I. We
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Speaker 1: have a teenage daughter thirteen. There's always that line between
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Speaker 1: wanting to be close and friend like, but also not
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Speaker 1: crossing that line into just you still have to stay
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Speaker 1: a parent and an authority figure. And Natalie Sherilla clearly
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Speaker 1: doesn't have any of that. She's crossed that boundary and
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Speaker 1: never went back. But I do, I do admit as
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Speaker 1: a parent that's a fine line. And you know, because
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Speaker 1: I always want Annabel to be honest with me and
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Speaker 1: tell me things. You do have to have a certain
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Speaker 1: amount of friendship.
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Speaker 2: Well, you make a safe place for her to be
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Speaker 2: able to share, knowing she's not gonna be hurt but
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Speaker 2: rather helped. Right. I always say, I want my kids
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Speaker 2: to say, oh my gosh, I gotta tell my dad now,
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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, my dad's gonna kill me.
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Speaker 1: Right exactly. Also, McKenzie finally got a job. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: this is her first job ever in her entire life. Yes,
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Speaker 1: TMC has confirmed. I doubt it's that I don't know.
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Speaker 1: TMZ has confirmed that mackenzie got a job as a
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Speaker 1: food service worker within the prison, and that it's likely
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Speaker 1: that she's making somewhere around twenty four dollars a month.
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Speaker 1: The only thing I have to say is this girl
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Speaker 1: is doing no help for herself because she is eligible
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Speaker 1: for parole.
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Speaker 2: But she's had so she can be eligible for me
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Speaker 2: right now.
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Speaker 1: I mean, she's not eligible right now, but I think it's.
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Speaker 2: Twenty thirty seven.
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Speaker 1: Part of her role, she will be at some point
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Speaker 1: eligible for parole. I believe it's twenty thirty seven. I'm
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Speaker 1: just saying all the actions she's not doing anything. She's
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Speaker 1: not doing anything to help her in any way, shape
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Speaker 1: or form at all.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: We also did an episode where we interviewed Dominic's older sister,
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Speaker 1: Christine Russo. I don't know what stood out to you
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Speaker 1: in the interview with her.
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Speaker 2: I think how sad she was, Yeah, yeah, how much
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Speaker 2: she was very unhappy like she I'm guessing she was
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Speaker 2: willing to come on because she wants to speak for Dom.
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Speaker 2: She wants, you know, to never let his you know,
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Speaker 2: position because swept out of the rug. Yeah, so she
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Speaker 2: wanted to do it, but it's probably hard for her too.
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Speaker 1: My takeaway was that too, And I almost felt guilty
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Speaker 1: about interviewing her because when she was talking about how
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Speaker 1: everything out there and being in the media and having
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Speaker 1: to talk about everything is so difficult, and how she
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Speaker 1: feels like Dom gets lost in all of it and
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Speaker 1: it has a lot it's almostly about Mackenzie and even
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Speaker 1: though it's all bad, but it's still it's monopolized.
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Speaker 2: To do the documentary at first, but ultimately came round
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Speaker 2: to doing it.
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Speaker 1: She claimed, yeah, that she didn't want to be a
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Speaker 1: part of it, but then she figured she had to
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Speaker 1: be a voice for him, and you know I do.
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Speaker 1: I follow her on social media and I see a
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Speaker 1: lot of times that she's addressing that people will say
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Speaker 1: nasty things to her. But I mean people say nasty
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Speaker 1: things on social media all the time. Just come look
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Speaker 1: at my Instagram and read the comments. I mean, that's
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Speaker 1: it's just part of social media. I feel like people
17:36
Speaker 1: who lead sad lives or who are.
17:38
Speaker 2: Well, it's easy to type something and send it into
17:40
Speaker 2: space and then walk away.
17:42
Speaker 1: So people, you know, saying nasty things to her about
17:45
Speaker 1: being out there and speaking on his behalf. I mean
17:48
Speaker 1: it's sad to me because I understand her position is
17:51
Speaker 1: there's so much out there about this case and everyone
17:54
Speaker 1: has an opinion, everyone's talking about it. I mean, she
17:57
Speaker 1: wants to be a voice for her brother. Also, there's
18:01
Speaker 1: the foundations that the Russos and the Flannagans have created.
18:04
Speaker 1: If you are interested, you can find Change the Game
18:07
Speaker 1: for Dom Foundation. That's what it's called, Change the Game
18:11
Speaker 1: for Dom Foundation. It can be found on go fund
18:15
Speaker 1: me under that name. It will give underprivileged children the
18:18
Speaker 1: opportunity to play basketball and provide them with the equipment
18:21
Speaker 1: that they need in order to succeed. I think that's
18:23
Speaker 1: a great foundation that she started. I think that's such
18:26
Speaker 1: a a I don't know, such a positive and beautiful
18:31
Speaker 1: takeaway from such a tragic thing is to be able
18:34
Speaker 1: to provide funds for those less fortunate to be able
18:37
Speaker 1: to play basketball. Because she talked about how Dom was
18:39
Speaker 1: so into basketball. So anyway, if you guys can every
18:43
Speaker 1: little bit counts, it's called change the game for Dom. Also,
18:47
Speaker 1: the Flanagans created the Davion Flanagain Memorial Scholarship Fund, which
18:52
Speaker 1: can also be found on go fund me under that name.
18:55
Speaker 1: The proceeds from this fundraiser will be used to create
18:58
Speaker 1: a memorial scholarship fund fund to help future low income
19:02
Speaker 1: barbers attend and achieve their dream because, if you remember,
19:05
Speaker 1: Davion wanted to go to barber school, so his family's
19:08
Speaker 1: set up a scholarship fund so that underprivileged kids could
19:15
Speaker 1: be funded to go.
19:16
Speaker 2: To barber pursue their dream as they right.
19:20
Speaker 1: So if anyone is inclined to do that, I would
19:22
Speaker 1: suggest I think that's a great way to give back,
19:25
Speaker 1: is to look for either one of those that Change
19:27
Speaker 1: the Game for Dom or the Davion Flanagain Memorial Scholarship Fund.
19:39
Speaker 1: We also talked about Kristin Smart. This was I really
19:44
Speaker 1: Sometimes there's cases that we go through and I always
19:47
Speaker 1: enjoy talking about anything that has to do with true crime,
19:49
Speaker 1: But there are definitely cases that stand out to me
19:51
Speaker 1: and I find more interesting to talk about. Kristin Smart
19:54
Speaker 1: was one of those. I just I don't know if
19:56
Speaker 1: it's because she's a college student. There's so many layers
19:59
Speaker 1: that happened near where we live. I mean not near
20:02
Speaker 1: what eight hours we're San Luis Obispo, like eight hours
20:05
Speaker 1: from here or no, maybe.
20:06
Speaker 2: Six four you've been there, Yeah, it was like four
20:08
Speaker 2: four hours.
20:09
Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty close by.
20:09
Speaker 2: Where we live.
20:10
Speaker 1: It feels like it's a yeah and both fun fact.
20:14
Speaker 1: But Shane has a nephew and a niece who both
20:17
Speaker 1: graduated from that.
20:18
Speaker 2: College, so do you yeah, My sister's two children both
20:24
Speaker 2: attended there.
20:26
Speaker 1: Kristen Smart was a nineteen year old cow Poly student
20:28
Speaker 1: who disappeared on Memorial Day weekend back in nineteen ninety six.
20:33
Speaker 1: Fellow student Paul Flores was the last person seen with her.
20:36
Speaker 1: And by the way, just to reiterate Paul Floress nickname
20:40
Speaker 1: at this college campus was Chester where molester.
20:44
Speaker 2: I know where molester comes from. Where's Chester come from?
20:46
Speaker 1: Because that's haven't you heard that before?
20:47
Speaker 2: That's a the Cheetah mascot is Chester.
20:50
Speaker 1: Well, I guess Chester rhymes with molester. So when people
20:53
Speaker 1: say someone's a molester, they call him Chester the Molester.
20:57
Speaker 1: His name is Paul Flores.
20:59
Speaker 2: Paul Flores.
21:00
Speaker 1: I think that's what the girls coined a nickname for him,
21:04
Speaker 1: because he was so creepy that they called him Chester
21:06
Speaker 1: the Molester. But this is what bothers me is this
21:10
Speaker 1: kid on this campus has a reputation of being creepy
21:14
Speaker 1: and weird around girls, and yet when she is inebriated,
21:19
Speaker 1: people were fine to just hand her off.
21:22
Speaker 2: Oh did those that handed her off? Did they know
21:25
Speaker 2: who he was?
21:25
Speaker 1: I believe so they saw him and knew him, and
21:28
Speaker 1: I'm sure they were probably aware of his reputation. Again,
21:31
Speaker 1: I always talk about this, but that is a pivotal
21:33
Speaker 1: moment when that could have gone completely different if someone
21:35
Speaker 1: would have just walked her to her dorm room. There
21:38
Speaker 1: were two opportunities. There was the friend Margarita that she
21:40
Speaker 1: went out with, that left her and went back to
21:42
Speaker 1: the dorm early and left her out by herself. And
21:44
Speaker 1: then there was the boy and the girl that they
21:46
Speaker 1: found her in the yard. She was drunk, she could
21:49
Speaker 1: barely stand up. They were holding her, taking her back
21:51
Speaker 1: to her dorm room. They passed Paul Flores. He said, oh,
21:55
Speaker 1: I got it. I can handle this. I'll take her
21:57
Speaker 1: back to her dorm room. And then she's I'll take her.
22:02
Speaker 1: I got this, and then she's never seen again.
22:05
Speaker 2: There were two bodies. Nothing never seen again.
22:08
Speaker 1: No, she was never seen again after that night, after
22:11
Speaker 1: the night they ran into Paul Flores. And that's what
22:14
Speaker 1: I was saying, you know, someone from because we talked
22:16
Speaker 1: about this on an earlier episode. I said, I don't
22:20
Speaker 1: know because there weren't security cameras at that time. I
22:22
Speaker 1: get that, but he obviously allegedly, but I would say
22:26
Speaker 1: this is.
22:26
Speaker 2: Pretty much what happened.
22:27
Speaker 1: Obviously allegedly took her into his dorm room, sexually assaulted her,
22:33
Speaker 1: murdered her. The cadaver.
22:35
Speaker 2: Doiar ask your questions, How the heck did he get
22:37
Speaker 2: her out on a college campus. Was there any blood
22:40
Speaker 2: found in her room or anything?
22:41
Speaker 1: And there were no remember they did, and the campus
22:43
Speaker 1: police didn't take it seriously, and they didn't look for
22:46
Speaker 1: her or contact her parents until days later. They thought
22:49
Speaker 1: she just went camping or something, and they had already
22:51
Speaker 1: cleaned because it was the end of the school year,
22:54
Speaker 1: so the room is cleaned. My question is how do
22:57
Speaker 1: you get a dead body out of a dorm room?
23:01
Speaker 1: But you know, when we were questioning that in that
23:02
Speaker 1: earlier episode, someone that went to cal Poly DMed me
23:06
Speaker 1: and said, she said, you know that where that dorm
23:11
Speaker 1: is located, it's really close to like trees in a
23:13
Speaker 1: remote area. And also everyone, yeah, and everyone was gone
23:19
Speaker 1: because it was Memorial Day weekend. And if he did
23:21
Speaker 1: it at night, kind of under the cover of darkness,
23:24
Speaker 1: but but he'd have he needs transportation. That's why his
23:27
Speaker 1: dad was always brought into it, because the police always
23:30
Speaker 1: thought that he had to have some type of help
23:32
Speaker 1: to transport the body away from the campus. So anyway, Wow,
23:38
Speaker 1: I guess for me also, I think this case is
23:40
Speaker 1: so important because it's a life lesson for children. And
23:43
Speaker 1: we've had this conversation, you know, just with our kids,
23:48
Speaker 1: and anytime we talk about it is just to always
23:50
Speaker 1: remind them. And you know what, Shane's middle daughter, Schnell,
23:53
Speaker 1: came home for the weekend because we all went to Disneyland.
23:56
Speaker 1: We did a family Disneyland and you guys were out
23:58
Speaker 1: riding a ride. But she and I didn't write it.
23:59
Speaker 1: So we were still they're talking about cases. We were
24:02
Speaker 1: talking about kristin Smart and she's currently in college, and
24:05
Speaker 1: I said to her, don't ever go anywhere on a
24:08
Speaker 1: college campus by yourself. You stick together wherever you go.
24:13
Speaker 1: There's safety in numbers.
24:14
Speaker 2: Safety and numbers.
24:14
Speaker 1: There's always safety. You never hear about two girls getting kidnapped.
24:19
Speaker 1: It's always when someone ends up off by themselves, even
24:23
Speaker 1: like Natalie Holloway when she went on the trip with
24:25
Speaker 1: the school, the school class trip, she separated away. Don't
24:28
Speaker 1: ever ever, I don't care how good looking the guy is. No, No,
24:35
Speaker 1: even if he's a nice man like Shane, some son
24:38
Speaker 1: that comes along, you say no, you do not. They
24:42
Speaker 1: still have not found Kristen's body. We talked about how
24:45
Speaker 1: recently they had done more excavating and digging. I believe
24:49
Speaker 1: they had more information and tips as to where the
24:52
Speaker 1: body would be located, but they found nothing. However, they
24:54
Speaker 1: did fine in the dirt. I think they found that
24:56
Speaker 1: there was biological tissue, so I think they thought about
25:00
Speaker 1: he had possibly been there at some point but had
25:02
Speaker 1: been moved and then there were neighbors that had said
25:05
Speaker 1: that there was a trailer in the middle of the
25:07
Speaker 1: night and talking going on. So we still don't know
25:12
Speaker 1: where Kristen Smart's body is. I would hope that at
25:14
Speaker 1: some point, just for the family's sake, that comes out
25:18
Speaker 1: that her remains are found. I mean he's he's in prison. No,
25:24
Speaker 1: I mean he's but it did take thirty years to
25:27
Speaker 1: arrest him. He was free for thirty years.
25:30
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, holy cow, thirty years.
25:34
Speaker 1: Yeah. And remember it was the podcast in your Own
25:37
Speaker 1: Backyard that was the catalyst. Yeh, because he started re
25:40
Speaker 1: examining the case brought it was very popular. Everybody was
25:44
Speaker 1: listening to it. I think more people were coming forward
25:47
Speaker 1: and they got further evidence and they ended up being
25:51
Speaker 1: able solve a crime. On legally, Brunette, I would love to.
25:54
Speaker 2: Look for a crime.
25:56
Speaker 1: Let's solve it' That's what we're going to do, all right,
25:59
Speaker 1: that's our goal. What was your favorite case that we
26:02
Speaker 1: covered this month? Did you have a favorite?
26:04
Speaker 2: Was my favorite? Yeah, it's your favorite homicide? You know.
26:09
Speaker 2: I don't like talking about death, so it's that's all
26:15
Speaker 2: we do, I know, But I mean, so to say
26:16
Speaker 2: which one was your favorite. I don't smile and think
26:20
Speaker 2: what this one wasn't?
26:21
Speaker 1: No, But I would say as someone who has a
26:24
Speaker 1: legal mind and has graduated from law school and has
26:27
Speaker 1: practiced law, I enjoy talking about these cases.
26:29
Speaker 2: One.
26:30
Speaker 1: I find them intriguing because of the psychology behind it,
26:33
Speaker 1: because a lot of times I think, how are people
26:36
Speaker 1: out there that exist that that behave like this? But
26:39
Speaker 1: I also like to talk about the legal elements of it.
26:42
Speaker 1: I know, we try to discuss the law, why someone
26:45
Speaker 1: gets a death penalty of the adult, why someone's tried as
26:47
Speaker 1: an adult, why someone's a minor?
26:49
Speaker 2: Why to discuss are the ones where you don't have
26:51
Speaker 2: a clear answer, so it can go both ways and
26:53
Speaker 2: you kind of have to dig a little yeah to
26:54
Speaker 2: talk about it.
26:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't talk about this as this month, but
26:58
Speaker 1: I always revert back to Karen Reid. That was such
27:01
Speaker 1: an interesting one to talk about because there's so much evidence.
27:04
Speaker 2: That was probably one of the first ones we there
27:06
Speaker 2: were was clearly Yeah, it was just it could have
27:08
Speaker 2: gone both ways.
27:09
Speaker 1: But it's so interesting. It's like this was found in.
27:12
Speaker 2: Every little piece of evidence just created more questions.
27:14
Speaker 1: Instead of answers, right, But it was very intriguing to
27:17
Speaker 1: talk about. Let's just talk about going forward for next month.
27:21
Speaker 1: There's two cases that I want to talk about. First
27:24
Speaker 1: of all, it's the and you'll probably remember this because
27:27
Speaker 1: you're a gen xer like I am. It's the Pamela
27:30
Speaker 1: Smart case. Do you remember Pamela Smart. Yeah, she was.
27:35
Speaker 1: She wasn't a teacher, but she worked at a high school. Oh,
27:38
Speaker 1: she wasn't a teacher. Well, she had a teacher like role,
27:41
Speaker 1: but she wasn't a traditional teacher staff member high school.
27:44
Speaker 1: She worked in like the media center or something. But
27:46
Speaker 1: she was a role model. She led some group called
27:51
Speaker 1: self Esteem, and I just watched a three part or
27:56
Speaker 1: four part I don't remember. I think it was on
27:58
Speaker 1: Hulu documentary about her and they interview her from prison.
28:02
Speaker 1: But anyway, I thought it would be really interesting to
28:04
Speaker 1: go back and talk about that case, and we should
28:06
Speaker 1: do that on Till Death Do Us Part. In high school, right,
28:10
Speaker 1: and she has a relationship with a fifteen year old
28:13
Speaker 1: boy who is part of her group that she mentors,
28:18
Speaker 1: and he ends up murdering her husband. But when the
28:21
Speaker 1: husband is first found murdered, she goes on like a
28:25
Speaker 1: media tour and she's doing interviews and talking, and she
28:28
Speaker 1: really plays the part of the grieving widow, right, and
28:32
Speaker 1: then more these kids, teenagers start talking. I think there's
28:36
Speaker 1: an anonymous tip. Someone calls the police station and says, hey,
28:39
Speaker 1: you need to look into this guy because the gun
28:41
Speaker 1: used was this kid's.
28:44
Speaker 2: Dad's gud to the kids.
28:46
Speaker 1: Then the investigation to the kids. Right then they start
28:50
Speaker 1: questioning the kids, they start confessing. Her name gets brought
28:53
Speaker 1: into it. It's very interesting. So I wanted to do
28:58
Speaker 1: the Pamela Smart case, so that's something that would be
29:00
Speaker 1: coming up. Also, one more Candy Montgomery. Have you ever
29:05
Speaker 1: heard of Candy Montgomery?
29:06
Speaker 2: No?
29:08
Speaker 1: I hadn't either until there was this. It's not a documentary.
29:12
Speaker 1: It's a re enactment, right when they have actors that
29:14
Speaker 1: are portraying what happened. But it's on Netflix. It's called
29:19
Speaker 1: Love and Death and it's Elizabeth Olsen. She plays Candy Montgomery.
29:23
Speaker 2: Remember you watching this? Yeah, I said that's a Olsen twins,
29:27
Speaker 2: one of Olsen's siblings, right, and then you disagreed with me?
29:30
Speaker 1: Well, because I did.
29:31
Speaker 2: I thought I saw you secretly looking at your phone,
29:33
Speaker 2: and then you.
29:33
Speaker 1: Know, I thought you were talking about the twins.
29:36
Speaker 2: No, I said that was an Olsen girl.
29:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when you say an Olsen girl, I assume
29:39
Speaker 1: you're talking about the twins.
29:40
Speaker 2: I didn't know you were.
29:42
Speaker 1: Okay, anyway, it's Elizabeth Olsen. She plays Candy Montgomery.
29:44
Speaker 2: She's got more acting kids than the twins.
29:46
Speaker 1: Yeah. She was good in it. She is so good.
29:48
Speaker 1: It's like seven parts. And I usually don't like dramatizations,
29:55
Speaker 1: this one was good. I was intrigued every time I walked.
29:58
Speaker 2: In, and you're watch it. It seemed like dark meaning it
30:01
Speaker 2: was like they didn't clamorize anything, they didn't make anything light.
30:04
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I didn't know anything about the
30:06
Speaker 1: case until I watched this. But there's also on Hulu.
30:09
Speaker 1: It's just called Candy, and it's also the same case.
30:12
Speaker 1: It actually takes place in the nineteen seventies, I think
30:14
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, so it's a very old case. But
30:17
Speaker 1: it is really interesting and it has to do a
30:20
Speaker 1: self defense but you know, is it self defense? And
30:24
Speaker 1: there's a lot of layers, a lot of you know,
30:26
Speaker 1: there's affairs and you know, there's an axe that's an
30:30
Speaker 1: interesting way to commit murder with some housewives and I
30:34
Speaker 1: got stuff right, so we're definitely going to talk about
30:36
Speaker 1: the Candy Montgomery case.
30:38
Speaker 2: Have you finished it yet? Yeah?
30:39
Speaker 1: I finished it?
30:40
Speaker 2: Good, good, Yeah, you've been watching it for a long
30:42
Speaker 2: time because it's.
30:43
Speaker 1: Seven parts, I had to get through all seven.
30:46
Speaker 2: All right.
30:46
Speaker 1: Well, that is a end of the month recap on
30:50
Speaker 1: some of the cases that we talked about. If you
30:52
Speaker 1: did not hear these episodes and you'd like to go back,
30:55
Speaker 1: please find them. I think we do a good job
30:56
Speaker 1: going through the episodes in more detail for each one
31:00
Speaker 1: of those cases. Also, be sure to follow Legally Brunette
31:03
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31:06
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