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The Kenny Report | 16 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Lone from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 2: Coming live to you tonight from Parliament House in Canberra,
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  Speaker 2: where I'll focus on the divisions of the Middle East
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  Speaker 2: playing out in our Senate, a test of leadership for
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister that he's failing so far. I'll check
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  Speaker 2: in on the university protests too, and talk to a
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  Speaker 2: Holocaust survivor about the pain they're causing. Also the budget
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  Speaker 2: fall out and Chris Bowen reveals the trickery behind Labour's
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  Speaker 2: energy rebate plan. Peter Dutton will make his budget in
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  Speaker 2: reply speech tonight and we're expecting a big focus on
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  Speaker 2: cutting the immigration rates. All that plus Alexander down A,
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  Speaker 2: Tim Blair, Mark Nicholson. Oh, and that gay parenting book
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  Speaker 2: now it's been unbanned. Let's get started. Lots happening in
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  Speaker 2: the nation's capital today. Lots on the budget, but also
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  Speaker 2: plenty on anti Semitism, the Middle East debate, diplomacy and leadership.
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  Speaker 1: Or the lack of it.
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  Speaker 2: Let me try to make some sense of it for you,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm going to enlist some help from an unusual source.
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  Speaker 1: That source is Chris Bowen.
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  Speaker 2: Blackout Bowen Remember he's got a reputation for saying the
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  Speaker 2: quiet part out loud. Back in twenty nineteen, when Labor
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  Speaker 2: was fighting a losing election campaign.
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  Speaker 1: He gave voters this advice.
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  Speaker 2: He said, if you don't like our policies, if you
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  Speaker 2: don't like what Labour's promising, then don't vote for us. Now,
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  Speaker 2: after he was ridiculed for this and probably worse within
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  Speaker 2: the Labor party rooms, he tried to explain himself.
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  Speaker 3: What I was trying to say was that we have
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  Speaker 3: had the courage to put the policies out there for
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  Speaker 3: the Australian people to judge.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they were entitled to do that and at that
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  Speaker 2: election they did. That can happen when you say the
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  Speaker 2: quiet part out loud. Well Bowen has done that again.
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  Speaker 2: Remember my take on the budget this week when I
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  Speaker 2: told you the government was using your tax dollars for trickery.
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  Speaker 2: Try to trick down the official abs inflation figures and
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  Speaker 2: therefore actually con the Reserve Bank, can you believe fool
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  Speaker 2: them into lowering interest rates or at least not increasing
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  Speaker 2: them again. Yeah, it's all about playing these games instead
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  Speaker 2: of doing the hard yards of lowering electricity prices as
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  Speaker 2: they promised or getting inflation down as they promised, Labour
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  Speaker 2: wants to spend three point five billion dollars of your
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  Speaker 2: taxes trying to orchestrate a tricky and temporary inflation drop. Well,
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  Speaker 2: Labour denies this strategy, of course, well at least they
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  Speaker 2: did until Bowen again gave voice to the quiet part.
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  Speaker 3: You do that by spreading it across as many bills
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  Speaker 3: as you can, and you do that effectively by spreading
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  Speaker 3: it to every indigity bill in the country. That's the
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  Speaker 3: way you you maximizing impact on inflation, which will help
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  Speaker 3: the Reserve bank in there. And we design this very
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  Speaker 3: carefully as to how it will maximize assistance to the
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  Speaker 3: Reserve Bank to ensure that they can do their job.
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  Speaker 3: And the fiscal policy and manage policy are working hand
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  Speaker 3: in hand.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there it is.
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  Speaker 2: That's why your money, your tax dollars, are going to
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  Speaker 2: the power companies and not direct to you.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why they're going to lower.
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  Speaker 2: The bills of millionaires and billionaires and government ministers as
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  Speaker 2: well as yours. Because it's all a political trick with
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  Speaker 2: your money to artificially influence inflation and interest rates. These
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  Speaker 2: could probably all bounce up again afterwards when the government
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  Speaker 2: rebates run out after the election, of course, and then
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  Speaker 2: you get hit in the neck again with a sudden
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  Speaker 2: leap in electricity costs and perhaps inflation or even interest rates.
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  Speaker 2: What lazy, cynical and irresponsible politics this is. It's not economics,
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't deserve to be called economics or budgeting. Its
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  Speaker 2: game playing with your money. The Coalition won't vote against this,
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  Speaker 2: they don't want to stand between you and some power
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  Speaker 2: bill relief. But they will try to block the other
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  Speaker 2: climate and energy boondoggle, the plan to shovel billions of
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  Speaker 2: dollars of tax credits into unproven schemes to produce green hydrogen,
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  Speaker 2: the dream fuel of the moment that's not been produced
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  Speaker 2: on commercial scale anywhere yet.
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  Speaker 4: So it effectively is an incentive payment for new industries,
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  Speaker 4: in this case hydrogen and critical minerals to set Australia
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  Speaker 4: up for the future.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If it's all so good, if it's all so ingenious,
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  Speaker 2: if it's all so productive and profitable, then why does
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  Speaker 2: it need billions of dollars of your money to make
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  Speaker 2: it happen. I think we've seen and heard all of
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  Speaker 2: this before. Remember the transition to renewables was supposed to
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  Speaker 2: deliver lower power prices. Instead, the more taxpayers dollars we
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  Speaker 2: put into it, the more prices go up. The more
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  Speaker 2: we subsidize renewables, the higher prices go. So now we're
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  Speaker 2: using taxpayers dollars to fund power bill rebates for millionaires.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear Chris Bowen give us the
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  Speaker 2: real explanation for this one.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: We broke the news to you last night about the
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  Speaker 2: Labor senator Fatima Payman, who lashed out at our own
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  Speaker 2: party's support for Israel, which was pretty incredible anyway, because
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  Speaker 2: the Albanezi government's support.
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  Speaker 6: For Israel is lukewarm at best.
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  Speaker 2: Especially after its disgraceful vote of the United Nations supporting
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  Speaker 2: the possibility of a Palestinian state ahead of a peace deal.
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  Speaker 2: The Albenezi labor government has only gone backwards on Israel anyway.
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  Speaker 2: It hasn't been pro Palestinian enough for Senator payment apparently,
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  Speaker 2: and she made these highly provocative statements.
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  Speaker 7: My conscience has been uneasy for far too long, and
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  Speaker 7: I must call this out for what it is.
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  Speaker 2: This is a.
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  Speaker 1: Genocide and we need to stop pretending otherwise.
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  Speaker 6: From the River to the sea, Palestine will be free.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was late yesterday and the reaction was pretty dramatic.
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  Speaker 8: This is going to further undermine and test social cohesion.
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  Speaker 9: The province really has to step up today and deal
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  Speaker 9: with this, and we expect him to demonstrate there are
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  Speaker 9: consequences for Senator Payment.
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  Speaker 10: Senator Payment ended her speech saying, from the river to
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  Speaker 10: the sea, we will be free. You've criticized others who've
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  Speaker 10: used the term, but your own senator has used it.
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  Speaker 1: Is it appropriate?
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  Speaker 4: No, it's not what's appropriate as a two stage solution,
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  Speaker 4: a two stage solution where both Israelis and Palestinians have
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  Speaker 4: the right to live in security, in peace, and in prosperity.
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  Speaker 4: It is not in the interests of either Israelis Palestinians
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  Speaker 4: to advocate there just be one state that is a
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  Speaker 4: fall runner of enormous conflict and grief.
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  Speaker 2: The Coalition pushed this issue all the way to the
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  Speaker 2: Senate floor today, forcing a vote on a motion condemning the.
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  Speaker 6: Use of this phrase.
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  Speaker 2: From the river to the sea, the one I told
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  Speaker 2: you way back in October last year, was a catch
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  Speaker 2: cry much loved by Hubbas, calling for the elimination of Israel.
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  Speaker 8: From the river to the sea has been accepted and
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  Speaker 8: even said by members of the government. Such chance and
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  Speaker 8: phrases have no place in the type of political debate
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  Speaker 8: we should wish to see in our country.
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  Speaker 11: The phrase from the rivers to the sea is not
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  Speaker 11: consistent with a two state solution, and it is that
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  Speaker 11: solution which is needed for peace and security of Palestinians
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  Speaker 11: and Israelis alike. And we use our voice to advocate
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  Speaker 11: for humanitarians, for the release of hostages, for a two
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  Speaker 11: state solution, including by using our vote at the United
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  Speaker 11: Nations to add international momentum for a two state solution.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Labor supported the coalition motion, but telling lye Senator
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  Speaker 2: Payment didn't turn up for the vote, and Greens who
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  Speaker 2: voted against the motion backing in this phrase of from
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  Speaker 2: the river to the sea, well, they wore Palestinian scarves,
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  Speaker 2: which makes a mockery of the ruling yesterday against Pauline
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  Speaker 2: Hansen for wearing an israel scarf.
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  Speaker 6: The issue has hardly been resolved.
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  Speaker 2: Senator Payment, despite this stance, remains on a joint Parliamentary
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  Speaker 2: Defense and Foreign Affairs Committee, and the Coalition is calling
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  Speaker 2: for Alberaneasi to dump her from that sensitive position. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: how can we have a Labor senator on that committee
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  Speaker 2: when she disagrees with Labor policy.
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  Speaker 6: On such an important foreign policy issue.
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  Speaker 2: Former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer says Labour should take evens
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  Speaker 2: stronger action.
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  Speaker 12: She should, of course be expelled from the Labor Party
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  Speaker 12: because this slogan from the river to the sea is
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  Speaker 12: a slogan that means the distruction, the total destruction of
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  Speaker 12: the state of Israel.
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  Speaker 2: I'll have that full interview with Alexander Downer later in
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  Speaker 2: the program. Sadly, the divisions of the Middle East have
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  Speaker 2: turned up on our streets, They've turned up in our universities,
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  Speaker 2: and now they're playing out in our Senate. What the
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  Speaker 2: nation is crying out for on this issue is leadership
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  Speaker 2: from the Prime Minister. But he's busy trying to sit
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  Speaker 2: on the fence and be all things to all people.
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  Speaker 1: That won't cut it.
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  Speaker 2: Just because he supports a two state solution doesn't mean
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  Speaker 2: he can find a solution that supports two positions.
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  Speaker 6: He needs to clearly articulate what is right and call
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  Speaker 6: out what is wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of leadership and lack thereof, let me show you
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  Speaker 2: another example on this one. Relate the Orcus Nuclear Submarine
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  Speaker 2: and Missile Defense Agreement. Spreading his book in the US,
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  Speaker 2: former Prime Minister Scott Morrison found time for a bit
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  Speaker 2: of glad handing with Donald Trump in New York yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: and Morrison took to Twitter with this photo and importantly
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  Speaker 2: claimed the former president and presumptive Republican candidate provided a
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  Speaker 2: warm reception towards ucas the alliance deal struck between Australia,
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  Speaker 2: the UK and US under Joe Biden. Of course, this
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  Speaker 2: was a pretty useful bit of alliance bonding by Morrison,
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  Speaker 2: especially given the tension between Labor and the Trump Republicans,
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  Speaker 2: a divide that our ambassador in Washington, Kevin Rudd, apparently
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  Speaker 2: can't cross, and which could prove problematic if Trump returns
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  Speaker 2: to the White House.
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  Speaker 6: But listen to Anthony.
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  Speaker 2: Alberzi bristle at the suggestion that Morrison could be useful
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  Speaker 2: in our diplomatic efforts.
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  Speaker 4: I will leave our diplomacy finally up to diplomatic endeavors.
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  Speaker 4: I won't be discussing them on RN, but we use
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  Speaker 4: our former prime ministers from time to time. I assume
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  Speaker 4: that anyone who looks at it, the Orcus arrangements, will
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  Speaker 4: say that the arrangements that we have put in place
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  Speaker 4: are very sound and are in the interests of all
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  Speaker 4: those who support a more secure and peaceful region and world.
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  Speaker 2: Really, the Prime Minister is hands off on our diplomacy.
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  Speaker 6: He doesn't involve himself in our diplomacy.
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  Speaker 1: Really, is there nothing?
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  Speaker 2: This PM takes direct responsibility for nothing?
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  Speaker 6: He actually leads.
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  Speaker 2: The right answer here, of course, was that Morrison's meeting
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  Speaker 2: was welcome, Albanezy should have welcomed it, and that the
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  Speaker 2: reports of Trump's towards UCUS were also welcome. And the
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister have also said that the Aralian government would
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  Speaker 2: be ready, willing and able to brief Trump on ORCUS
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  Speaker 2: any time, but that of course would require leadership rather
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  Speaker 2: than reflexive partisanship and ducking for cover. Let's go to
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  Speaker 2: the next big thing in national politics, and that will
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  Speaker 2: be Peter Dutton's budget and reply speech, which will bring
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  Speaker 2: you live on Sky News tonight at seven thirty pm.
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  Speaker 2: I'm joined now in the studio by Liberal MP Zoe McKenzie.
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  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you. Zoe tell us about this budget.
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  Speaker 2: In reply speech, We're expecting a lot on immigration, energy
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  Speaker 2: and also housing.
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  Speaker 13: That's certainly been the discussion today, but I suspect it
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  Speaker 13: will be much like his last two budgets in reply,
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  Speaker 13: both in October twenty two and last May, focusing primarily
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  Speaker 13: on the cost of living, but also leaning in to
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  Speaker 13: offer help to the government and things like a sustainable
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  Speaker 13: NDIS going forward. And you might recall that in his
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  Speaker 13: very first budget in reply speech he called for us
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  Speaker 13: to solve the scourge of domestic violence within a generation.
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  Speaker 13: He has been focused on these issues from the beginning
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  Speaker 13: and making commitments towards those and other things in his
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  Speaker 13: budgets and reply, and I suspect tonight will be known different.
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  Speaker 13: He was calling for energy cost relief in the last ones,
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  Speaker 13: and he will back that in further with cost of
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  Speaker 13: living relief focus tonight.
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  Speaker 2: When you talk about cost of living, though, you've got
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  Speaker 2: to talk about immigration and the housing crisis, because they're
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  Speaker 2: all intertwined. Let's have a look at some of what's
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  Speaker 2: transpired in question time today.
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  Speaker 14: The Albanzi government's first budget forecast net overseas migration of
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  Speaker 14: two hundred and thirty five thousand people in twenty two
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  Speaker 14: to twenty three. In this week's budget, it was revealed
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  Speaker 14: that that twenty two to twenty three net overseas migration
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  Speaker 14: was five hundred and twenty eight thousand. Labor forecasts missed
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  Speaker 14: the mark by two hundred and ninety three thousand. How
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  Speaker 14: can the Australian people believe any forecast disc government makes
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  Speaker 14: on net overseas migration?
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  Speaker 4: I think the member freeest question because the system that
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  Speaker 4: we inherited was broken. We say that recent case, that's
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  Speaker 4: why we're setting about fixing it.
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  Speaker 1: It's all the Coalition's fault.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's a pretty spirited attack and question time today,
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  Speaker 2: I'm presuming from that that the Coalition will certainly be
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  Speaker 2: promising to drastically lower our immigration rate. Andrew Clonel broke
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  Speaker 2: the news on Sky today, suggesting that the rate could
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  Speaker 2: go down to one hundred and sixty thousand.
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  Speaker 13: People around them so interestingly, the historical level was around
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  Speaker 13: two hundred thousand, sometimes a bit more. You might remember
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  Speaker 13: the country had a really important conversation a few years
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  Speaker 13: go about Kevin Rud's biggest Straightia. Big Australia was consistent
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  Speaker 13: with three hundred thousand a year last year over five
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  Speaker 13: hundred thousand. The forecast for the next five one point
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  Speaker 13: sixty seven million at the same time as cutting hundreds
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  Speaker 13: of millions of dollars out of the infrastructure budget. I
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  Speaker 13: lost three hundred million alone in road and rail at
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  Speaker 13: last year's infrastructure review. So if you're going to bring
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  Speaker 13: people in in numbers like that, you have got to
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  Speaker 13: have done the work in terms of infrastructure, none of
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  Speaker 13: which has been done. And in fact we're going backwards
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  Speaker 13: in some parts of the country in terms of infrastructure
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  Speaker 13: investment now, so we're nowhere near prepared for those numbers.
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  Speaker 13: Is why you see housing up by twelve percent, rents
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  Speaker 13: up by twelve percent, and frankly, I think that's a
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  Speaker 13: modest assessment. Certainly in my electorate they're up by a
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  Speaker 13: whole lot more than twelve percent, particularly with all the
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  Speaker 13: land taxes and changes that you've seen im post by
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  Speaker 13: the Victorian State government as well. The prices are going
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  Speaker 13: through the roof housing, for food, for electricity. So the
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  Speaker 13: country is not ready for numbers like that, So it's
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  Speaker 13: sensible to have a good review of those numbers and
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  Speaker 13: to propose something that we can actually afford.
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  Speaker 6: Well.
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  Speaker 2: Labor can hardly disagree, of course, because they're promising to
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  Speaker 2: have the immigration intake. They just can't actually match their
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  Speaker 2: actions to their promises, as in so many areas plant
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  Speaker 2: But how do you cut immigration so steeply without adding
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  Speaker 2: to our skills shortage?
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  Speaker 13: Therein life is the problem as well, right, So, particularly
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  Speaker 13: in my part of the world, there are great skill shortages.
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  Speaker 13: And when I spoke to the Immigration minister about that
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  Speaker 13: about eighteen months ago, he says, oh, I'm going to
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  Speaker 13: fix it. We're going to let the international students back in.
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  Speaker 13: And I said, that's great, but I don't have a
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  Speaker 13: university care so that's not going to help me on
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  Speaker 13: the Mornington Peninsula where eight million people go for holidays,
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  Speaker 13: and we desperately need staff in pretail, hospitality, tourism, but
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  Speaker 13: equally health and education all the other things as well.
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  Speaker 13: So we do need we need skilled people in particular,
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  Speaker 13: but we need to look at the housing at the
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  Speaker 13: same time, because at the moment we just don't have
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  Speaker 13: enough affordable housing, and.
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  Speaker 2: I expect on housing more use of our own superannuation
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  Speaker 2: savings to help us get into that.
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  Speaker 13: I expect that one will be reiterated again as he
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  Speaker 13: was I think our in the first budget. In reply
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  Speaker 13: in October twenty two, Peter did stand behind that policy.
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  Speaker 13: That had been taken to the previous election, as he
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  Speaker 13: did things like people who are on welfare pensioners should
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  Speaker 13: be able to work.
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  Speaker 1: More, earn more.
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  Speaker 13: That's something I desperately need on the Peninsula. It's the
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  Speaker 13: fifth oldest electorate in the country and people.
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  Speaker 1: Want to work.
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  Speaker 13: They particularly want to work for their sons and daughters
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  Speaker 13: and the businesses they're running, and it would be great
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  Speaker 13: if they could do that without being penalized.
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  Speaker 2: Look forward to hearing more about it at seven to
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  Speaker 2: thirty tonight. Thanks for joining u zoem Soey Mackenzie, their
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  Speaker 2: Liberal MP up from Melbourne. That seven thirty tonight is
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  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton's budget. In reply address, let me get back
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  Speaker 2: to these pro Palestinian protests on our university campuses. Melbourne
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  Speaker 2: Union has been forced to cancel classes after protests flooded
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  Speaker 2: the arts buildings refusing to leave.
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  Speaker 1: And he is more from the ABC.
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  Speaker 7: Is that hundreds from r MIT chanted through the streets
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  Speaker 7: before storming Melbourne Century protesters occupying and building at the
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  Speaker 7: University of Melbourne.
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  Speaker 12: We want to be disruptive.
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  Speaker 7: In Canberra, protesters alleged the Australian National University told seven
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  Speaker 7: students to leave the encampment there or face possible disciplinary action.
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  Speaker 15: We were simply told that the encampment has been causing division,
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  Speaker 15: being causing some students harm.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Susie Speed is a Holocaust survivor that we've met before,
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  Speaker 2: and now she's speaking out against these protests, begging the
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  Speaker 2: universities to take stronger action.
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  Speaker 1: She joins me.
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  Speaker 2: Now live, Susie, thanks so much for joining us again.
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  Speaker 2: Tell us how these activities and protests on university campuses
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  Speaker 2: are impacting on people like you.
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  Speaker 16: Thank you, first of all, Chris for supporting the Jews
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  Speaker 16: and Israel so wonderfully that you've been doing. It really
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  Speaker 16: heartens me. I'm having nightmares. I have friends that wake
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  Speaker 16: up screaming at night that are old people, that say
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  Speaker 16: the Nazis are coming to get them. I mean, what
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  Speaker 16: has happened in this wonderful country, this country that was
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  Speaker 16: always easy going. I cannot believe.
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  Speaker 12: What has happened.
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  Speaker 16: And as I always say my talks, the Holocaust did
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  Speaker 16: not start with killings. It started with words. And this
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  Speaker 16: government has led the genie out of the by not
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  Speaker 16: standing up immediately when people started chanting, you know, kill
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  Speaker 16: the Jews. Where are the Jews? The river to the sea.
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  Speaker 16: It is just horrendous. I had Jewish friends that have
• 19:21
  Speaker 16: had death threats that were on the internet. The government
• 19:28
  Speaker 16: should stand up. There are laws against incitement and against
• 19:34
  Speaker 16: hate speech, and these should be implemented immedimediately. I mean,
• 19:40
  Speaker 16: what is happening in the only two Yes, sorry, Chris.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: You know sus it's a very important point.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Now, obviously you would support the freedom of speech, as
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: you know, the persecution of the Jews back in the
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: nineteen thirties in Europe started off and with the suppression
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: of their freedom of express So where do you draw
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: the line here, because obviously there has to be room
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: for pro Palestinian people to push for peace, to demand
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: a different response from Israel and the like. But by
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: chanting in favor of into Farda and chanting from the
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: river to the sea. Even a Labor senator saying that,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: now this is what you must find distressing.
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: Where does the government have to do stressing?
• 20:23
  Speaker 16: But absolutely horrified, absoluslutely believe in freedom of speech and
• 20:30
  Speaker 16: we should have it, and we've always had it in
• 20:32
  Speaker 16: this country. That doesn't but hate speech and incitement we
• 20:36
  Speaker 16: have laws against these and they are not being implemented
• 20:40
  Speaker 16: into Farda. I wish these UNI students would read their
• 20:46
  Speaker 16: history a little bit. Into Farta means that the Palestinians
• 20:50
  Speaker 16: went into Israel with bombs, blew up buses, blew up
• 20:55
  Speaker 16: coffee shops, young children, and took great pleasure in them.
• 21:03
  Speaker 16: And as Gold in my year one said, how can
• 21:06
  Speaker 16: you make peace with people that want to kill you?
• 21:09
  Speaker 16: And I don't know how this is going to happen
• 21:12
  Speaker 16: finish up because it is just horrifying. The Jewish people
• 21:18
  Speaker 16: in this country are frightened, which has never happened before.
• 21:22
  Speaker 16: This has always been a wonderful free country that I
• 21:25
  Speaker 16: love desperately. But I am finding it very very frightening country.
• 21:32
  Speaker 16: And as I said before, I wish these students would
• 21:35
  Speaker 16: read their history. We have tried four times. Israel has
• 21:39
  Speaker 16: tried four times to make peace with the Palestinians, and
• 21:43
  Speaker 16: each time they've started either a new farther or a
• 21:48
  Speaker 16: new war against Israel. I do not know how we
• 21:52
  Speaker 16: can come to some agreement on this, and the police
• 21:55
  Speaker 16: and the university, the vice chancellors should come out and
• 22:01
  Speaker 16: stop this incitement like they did in Columbia University.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Susie, thanks so much. For joining us.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for sharing your insights and your trauma
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: on this issue. I do do deeply appreciate it. I
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: want to stick with this issue now though, and go
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: to the Shadow Education Minister, Sarah Henderson, who joins me
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: here on the desk.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Sarah, Susie Speed.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: You weren't able to hear her. She's a Holocaust survivor.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: She talks about these chants of into Fada and from
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: the River to the Sea as incitement. They traumatize Jewish
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Australians obviously and upset a lot of people.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: And she's that's.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Where the police and the university leaders in this country
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: have to draw the line.
• 22:41
  Speaker 17: Chris, this is a very serious situation on university campuses.
• 22:46
  Speaker 17: The incitement and the hate, the anti Semitism must stop.
• 22:50
  Speaker 17: We have seen a failure of leadership from some university
• 22:53
  Speaker 17: chancellors and also the government. The Education Minister Jason Clare
• 22:57
  Speaker 17: has shown a real lack of moral courage. We need
• 23:00
  Speaker 17: this dramatically to stop, and that's of course why the Coalition,
• 23:04
  Speaker 17: along with a number of non government members and senators,
• 23:07
  Speaker 17: has written to the Prime Minister today a calling for
• 23:10
  Speaker 17: a judicial inquiry into anti semitism. On university campuses.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Well, look, this is such a it's been a slow
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: motion train wreck, right. I mean, I can go back
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: to October last year where I was critical of federal
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: and state governments for not doing enough to condemn the
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: protests right at the start, and by not being strong
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: enough early enough.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: This stuff has gotten out of hand.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Now there is promising There are promising science from the
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: universities now and at least three universities, A and you
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Melbourne Deacon all saying that they'll get rid of the protests,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: but they've done nothing about it yet. They seem to
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: expect that the protesters will just cave in and walk away.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: They won't, will they They'll have to call in police.
• 23:50
  Speaker 17: Well, Deacon's leadership has been very impressive. They are acting
• 23:55
  Speaker 17: and that is very important. But as I say, we
• 23:57
  Speaker 17: have not seen from Jason Clare and even oppose the encampments.
• 24:02
  Speaker 17: They are inciting hate and anti semitism like we've never
• 24:07
  Speaker 17: seen before in this country.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Just ump in there, that's the easiest thing is and
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: that for any university. So you can't camp on the
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: grounds forget out what you're saying or doing. People can
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: come in and protest each day if they like, but
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: you can't camp there.
• 24:19
  Speaker 17: Chris, the Coalition has been so strong on this. Get
• 24:21
  Speaker 17: rid of the encampments. If there is suspected or likely
• 24:25
  Speaker 17: criminal activity, call the police in on every single occasion.
• 24:29
  Speaker 17: If a student is intimidating or harassing or discriminating, throw
• 24:33
  Speaker 17: the book at them, investigate them and expel them if necessary.
• 24:38
  Speaker 17: The universities have been far too soft. Frankly, what we
• 24:42
  Speaker 17: are seeing at the University of Sydney, where Mark Scott,
• 24:44
  Speaker 17: the Vice Chancellor, is saying, yes, we welcome these encampments.
• 24:48
  Speaker 17: I mean these are cess pits of activism. They are
• 24:51
  Speaker 17: dangerous and the government must stand up to this. The
• 24:55
  Speaker 17: government must say we will not tolerate this.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: As a senator in a Labor Party senator saying that
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Israel is committing genocide and chanting from the river to
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: the sea, Alexander Downer later in this program will tell
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: me that this senator, senator fat.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Of a payment, should be expelled from the Labor Party.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: That may or may not be the case.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: But certainly she should have to be dismissed, shouldn't she
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: from the Joint Parliamentary Committee on Defense and Foreign Affairs.
• 25:27
  Speaker 17: Well, we have called on the Prime Minister to determine
• 25:30
  Speaker 17: the action that he's going to take. Frankly, he has
• 25:33
  Speaker 17: shown weak, not strong leadership. Her comments were absolutely disgraceful
• 25:38
  Speaker 17: and I have to say in relation to that chant,
• 25:40
  Speaker 17: I'm very pleased to see today Monash's making it very
• 25:43
  Speaker 17: clear if you chan't river to the sea, there will
• 25:46
  Speaker 17: be discipline reaction taken against you. That is unacceptable. That
• 25:49
  Speaker 17: is calling for the annihilation of Israel. It is causing
• 25:53
  Speaker 17: so much to distress to Jewish Australians, particularly on campuses.
• 25:57
  Speaker 17: But we have seen this government and talking out of
• 26:00
  Speaker 17: both sides of the mouth. The Prime Minister says he
• 26:04
  Speaker 17: won't tolerate anti Semitism, but he is not showing Australians
• 26:07
  Speaker 17: that he will not stand up to it. And as
• 26:10
  Speaker 17: I say, I mean frankly, Jason Clare the weazel words
• 26:14
  Speaker 17: from Jason Clair, who set up this sham of a
• 26:17
  Speaker 17: racism inquiry, who would not even condemn children being encouraged
• 26:21
  Speaker 17: to chant into Fada.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: The lack of.
• 26:24
  Speaker 17: Leadership and moral courage is disgusting. We need this to
• 26:28
  Speaker 17: change because this is dividing Australia, not just on the universities. Chris,
• 26:32
  Speaker 17: we need to bring Australians together, and this week Prime
• 26:36
  Speaker 17: Minister is just not up to the job.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Frankly, Sarah Henderson, thanks for joining us, so I appreciate it.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I can't disagree with any of that.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: It's a shocking situation and as Susie Smith said, it
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: starts with ignorance. The first thing these kids that UNI
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: should do is learn something about the issues that they're
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: messing with.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Now we're going to take a break.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: On the other side, I'll catch up with Tim Blair
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: and mart Nicholson. They'll get to take on everything, including
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: this kerfuffle about the Prime Minister and his tenant.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Let's put that one to bed.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Hey, let's bring in our panel now, Tim Blair from
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: the Daily Telegraph and Mark Nicholson from step Mate Studio.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: It's great to catch up with you, gentlemen.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: I'm wondering who's going to notice if the power bill
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: goes down seventy five dollars next quarter. I wonder whether
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Gina Reinhart, Twiggy Forest, Anthony Albanezi or you anyone of
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: us story who's going to notice it?
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Most man?
• 27:29
  Speaker 18: I reckon, I'm putting my hand up for martins in
• 27:32
  Speaker 18: the most he's got those expensive animation tools to pay for,
• 27:37
  Speaker 18: so he'll probably notice a bit of a bit of
• 27:39
  Speaker 18: a slash inters of youthing. But you know, when we
• 27:44
  Speaker 18: were told us kids have inflation works, was one of
• 27:46
  Speaker 18: the first lessons that if you give everyone the same
• 27:49
  Speaker 18: pay increase, that's exactly the amount that inflation goes up.
• 27:52
  Speaker 18: Isn't this kind of the most obvious inflationary sort of
• 27:55
  Speaker 18: deal in all time?
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Seriously, it is quit quite a credible mark, isn't it
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: spending more money, pumping more money into the economy, and
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: and and trying to trick their way to make sure
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: it's not inflationary. We're going to pay pay tax, our
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: tax dollars straight to evil energy retailers so that your
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: bill will go down, and will trick the RBA into
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: thinking the power prices aren't so high.
• 28:22
  Speaker 19: Oh, you bang on, And I couldn't believe it as well.
• 28:25
  Speaker 19: On the on on budget night, old snake Charmers, I
• 28:27
  Speaker 19: didn't didn't miss a bet. He was more than happy
• 28:29
  Speaker 19: to say, you're going to get constant living relief, but
• 28:31
  Speaker 19: it won't be inflationary. Like, I'm not an economic economist,
• 28:34
  Speaker 19: and I guess neither is Jim he's a he's got
• 28:37
  Speaker 19: a doctorate in pol key.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: But it's a masterclass not in economics but in deception.
• 28:42
  Speaker 19: Like a lot of people don't realize this as well,
• 28:44
  Speaker 19: that the trick that they played is it will bring
• 28:47
  Speaker 19: down CPI because they take into account rebates, so it
• 28:51
  Speaker 19: will on paper inflation will go down, but real life,
• 28:54
  Speaker 19: real real world economy, inflation will not move at best
• 28:58
  Speaker 19: and will just get aggravated at worst. It's honestly to
• 29:01
  Speaker 19: master class in deceptera.
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: I applaud them, really.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: But it's very clever.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: If it does tip the official inflation rate down for
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: a short time, tim the beauty is it pops back
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: up again when the reboat runs out after the elections
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: out of the way.
• 29:19
  Speaker 18: See this one. I want to know as well about
• 29:21
  Speaker 18: the rebate is does it count towards the two hundred
• 29:25
  Speaker 18: and seventy five dollars reduction we were promised in December
• 29:27
  Speaker 18: twenty twenty one ahead of the election. Are they going
• 29:30
  Speaker 18: to be able to say look for twenty five seriously,
• 29:34
  Speaker 18: do they have the balls to try that move? Because
• 29:37
  Speaker 18: as they're going to try saying maybe they're going to
• 29:39
  Speaker 18: give it a shot, you know, all credit to them.
• 29:41
  Speaker 18: If they don't get pulled up on it, you would
• 29:43
  Speaker 18: give it a shot.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I reckon they'll try and mark that.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: They may get away with it as long as nobody
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: lets Chris Bowen speak, because Chris Boone always says those
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: quiet bits out loud.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Which bit, Chris, I've missed it? I thought you'd roll
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: into a clip. What have I missed? Oh no, I
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: haven't played with it.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Chris Bowen has explained all this again. He's explained how
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: this works. That you send out the money to everyone's
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: power company and therefore pulls down inflation.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: That's the whole idea of it.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Just like you told everyone in twenty nineteen, if you
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: don't like our policies, don't vote for us.
• 30:28
  Speaker 19: Oh that's so funny, I know, Yeah, it's absurd. They
• 30:32
  Speaker 19: even said the lad bit, the quiet a bit out
• 30:34
  Speaker 19: loud plenty of times.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 30:36
  Speaker 19: Even talked about the idea that the unemployment was going
• 30:38
  Speaker 19: to surge, everything's going to go crazy. It's all just
• 30:42
  Speaker 19: any desperate attempt to get re elected, which is a
• 30:44
  Speaker 19: real shame because sending the rest of us into a
• 30:47
  Speaker 19: death spiral unfortunately, which if hey, look, if you've got
• 30:51
  Speaker 19: a property in this economy, might as well sell your house,
• 30:54
  Speaker 19: I reckon.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you one thing I do appreciate about Albow
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: and a number of politicians on the left and clothing,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: even Green senators. While they rail against landlords and negative
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: gearing and the like, they often know enough about it
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: to dip into it themselves. And certainly Anthony Albertiz he's
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: done that. I think he's been attacked a bit unfairly here.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: But he's talking about getting rid of an investment property
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: and his tenant who is lashing out of him.
• 31:20
  Speaker 20: Is a bit rough here is we're just looking for
• 31:23
  Speaker 20: a little bit more of a considered approach rather than
• 31:27
  Speaker 20: just being issued a piece of paper from the real
• 31:29
  Speaker 20: estate agent. I'm surprised as this doesn't seem consistent with
• 31:32
  Speaker 20: the messaging in the budget this week.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Well there you go, Tim, it was your paper that
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: around this story. I mean, how could you resist it,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I suppose when the tenant is having a wine but
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: really he's got nothing to winge about.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Has the abbo's allowed to sell his house?
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: And the tenant says he's been a good land board
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: and he's just going to have to move on.
• 31:51
  Speaker 18: Absolutely, And by the way, that's the only known resident
• 31:54
  Speaker 18: of in a western Sydney who doesn't have tattoos, So
• 31:57
  Speaker 18: chock one up for that. But as well, remember the
• 32:00
  Speaker 18: I remember the comedy show maybe a decade or so
• 32:02
  Speaker 18: maybe longer ago, of a Flight of the Concords where
• 32:04
  Speaker 18: they had the character was the New Zealand Prime Minister,
• 32:07
  Speaker 18: and he was this incredibly unsophisticated, you know, tiny sort
• 32:10
  Speaker 18: of personality who would be bothered by things like, for example,
• 32:13
  Speaker 18: you know his neighbors and such. And now we've got
• 32:16
  Speaker 18: a national story here about our prime minister giving someone
• 32:19
  Speaker 18: ninety days to get the hell out of that too
• 32:21
  Speaker 18: bedroom Rick Vineer Joint. It's perfect, it's absolutely delightful.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: It's a cracking yarn.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Now I want to go to the US because there's
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: brilliant news as broken in the last twenty four hours,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: and it came directly from the mouth of the leader
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: of the free world.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: Here he is, Donald Trump lost two debates to me
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: in twenty twenty. San Sandy hadn't shown up for a debate.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Now he's acting like he wants to debate me again
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: or make my day pal. I'll even do it twice.
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: So let's pick the dace. Donald I hear you're free
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: on Wednesdays?
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: How good is this? Mark?
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Biden wants debates, he wants two debates, Make my day?
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Does he even know what he's reading there? I don't
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: think so.
• 33:05
  Speaker 19: And what's really interesting, that's a fifteen second clip. There
• 33:07
  Speaker 19: are five cuts in that clip. He literally can't string
• 33:11
  Speaker 19: a sentence together.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: That took him all day. That took all day to
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: film that.
• 33:15
  Speaker 19: That was his best one and it's five cuts.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: It's going to be so entertaining. I genuine I can't.
• 33:21
  Speaker 19: Are we actually go have a debate? Are they gonna
• 33:23
  Speaker 19: make it today? You know something that we don't has open.
• 33:26
  Speaker 19: It's got a robot or something that's going to come
• 33:28
  Speaker 19: out and do it in AI.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Make cut my day. It's going to be fantastic. Let's
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: have a look at some of the barbs they're going
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: to be trading.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: When I was told that other guy that loser, I
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: think he's having trouble.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: You can't find this way off a stage? You ever
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: see that makes us each Have you got that Tacob
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: god tim?
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: An hour of this and a presidential debate's going to
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: be fantastic.
• 34:20
  Speaker 18: Well, just two things about that Biden promo as Mark
• 34:23
  Speaker 18: points out a lot of edits in it, but I'm
• 34:25
  Speaker 18: told that each edit represented a fifteen minute toilet brak,
• 34:28
  Speaker 18: So it was quite the effort to pull it together
• 34:29
  Speaker 18: in the in the editing sweep. Secondly, agreeing to a
• 34:32
  Speaker 18: debate at this point when you're the president, when you're
• 34:37
  Speaker 18: agreed to the debate, now it shows how far you
• 34:40
  Speaker 18: might be behind in the polls. This is a real
• 34:41
  Speaker 18: hail Mary effort, and the polls might be a little
• 34:44
  Speaker 18: bit more dire for Biden than a lot of people
• 34:46
  Speaker 18: are aware. Let's find out.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think he's a bit desperate. Look, I
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: did run some breaking news from Joe Biden last night.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I chucked it and we didn't explain much of it
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: some people who are a bit uncertain as to what
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: the president was announcing, so I thought I better run
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: it again tonight.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: They want to do what they finally got done, and
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: then what we did finally got done is to make
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: up for it. They want to they want to give
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: power back to Big Farmer.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Well, there you go. At least we're able to clear
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: that one up for everyone. Thanks.
• 35:20
  Speaker 18: Do you think Big Farmer is a guy in Iowa
• 35:24
  Speaker 18: with a tractor.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: It's a big potato farmer. That's the man with the fork.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: We got a buck.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us guy, Guys Timblair and Mark Nicholson there,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: we'll catch up with him next week.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: We're going to get off to a break our said ourselves.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: On the other side of that, are going to catch
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: up on this council issue Western Sydney decision to ban
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: the same sex parroting book. Well it's been overturned.
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: They go away.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: This time last week I caught up with Cumberland City
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Councilor Steve Christ who, after his motion to ban same
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: sex parent books in that council's libraries in Western Sydney's
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: passed six votes to five, the council copter fair bit
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: of BackFlash.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: We had a bit of a backlash.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: We had a fiery debate about it on the program
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: last week and the new South Wales premier threatened to
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: withdraw funding. Well, last night the council reversed the ban
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: after a marathon four hours of debate, with police forced
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: to separate protesters outside. Where you get the Palestinian scarf
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: there as well. Seems to be mandatory for any protest now,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: But it was pretty fiery inside too.
• 36:46
  Speaker 21: Implication of this book ban and what it says to
• 36:49
  Speaker 21: those two and a half thousand people is that you're
• 36:51
  Speaker 21: not welcome in this electorate, You're not welcome in these suburbs,
• 36:53
  Speaker 21: and you don't deserve to exist in public life just
• 36:55
  Speaker 21: as anyone else does in this council. And the implication
• 36:59
  Speaker 21: of that children can kill themselves because of you.
• 37:04
  Speaker 13: Yes, miss.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: So the Cumberland City councilor Steve Christiho joins me again.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, says Steve. You're happy with this outcome?
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  Speaker 2: The book remains in the library, it goes into an
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  Speaker 2: adult nonfiction section away from the kids.
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  Speaker 1: Are you happy with that outcome? Chris?
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  Speaker 15: Thank you, but I'll state the book is not going
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  Speaker 15: in an adult non fiction section. What they actually voted
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  Speaker 15: for last night. I didn't vote for it, and my
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  Speaker 15: other colleague, Getty Sarkas didn't vote for it, was to
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  Speaker 15: put the book back in the junior nonfiction section where
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  Speaker 15: kids can access it. Essentially, it's been moved from the
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  Speaker 15: two year old section to the six to twelve year
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  Speaker 15: old section.
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  Speaker 2: So you obviously are opposed to that. You voted against it.
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  Speaker 2: Are you're going to let the matter rest now or
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  Speaker 2: are you going to continue to try and ban this
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  Speaker 2: book and presumably others.
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  Speaker 1: No, Chris, I'll make it clear.
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  Speaker 15: The debate last night went on for four hours, and
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  Speaker 15: it wasn't about banning the book, where everybody had moved
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  Speaker 15: past at It was about where the book will go
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  Speaker 15: in the library.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 15: I advocated very strongly that it should go in their
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  Speaker 15: adult section, so did other counselors to begin with. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 15: as a night drew long and amendments got warded down,
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  Speaker 15: it became an issue where it just goes into the
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  Speaker 15: six to twelve year old section, and I voted against that.
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  Speaker 15: I'm definitely against any kind of books that take away
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  Speaker 15: from children's you know, children's in the sense of well being.
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  Speaker 15: They shouldn't be asking questions at such a young age.
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  Speaker 15: And look, as I've said to everybody that's been contacted
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  Speaker 15: me today, and there's been like hundreds of people, just
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  Speaker 15: you get your chance to have another go at this
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  Speaker 15: at the election. There's no point bringing it back to council.
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  Speaker 15: Councils sat on this twice. They've made a democratic decision
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  Speaker 15: on two different occasions. You might not agree with a
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  Speaker 15: lot of what the councils did, and some councilors that
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  Speaker 15: issually voted to ban the book, and others that have
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  Speaker 15: now backtracked. But come September you get your chance to
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  Speaker 15: have a say.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's very problematic, of course, the banned books,
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  Speaker 2: unless there's obscendity in them or violence of the like.
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  Speaker 1: But I understand your arguments here. But the point is
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  Speaker 1: that when you go to the.
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  Speaker 2: Elections, sure councilors will say where they've stood on this issue.
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  Speaker 2: But presumably if you're going to go to an election
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  Speaker 2: saying that you are voted to get rid of the book,
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  Speaker 2: then you would be undertaking to get rid of it
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  Speaker 2: the next time you're re elected.
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  Speaker 15: No, Chris, I want to make this very clearly. This
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  Speaker 15: had nothing to do about going to an election or
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  Speaker 15: turning it into an election issue, because I have a
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  Speaker 15: long history over seven and a half years, on standing
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  Speaker 15: up on tough issues and actually being a voice for
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  Speaker 15: our local community and being a proper elective representative and
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  Speaker 15: putting views forward even if they're not popular views. But
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  Speaker 15: at least I have the backbone to stand up for
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  Speaker 15: my community and put.
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  Speaker 1: Across their views.
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  Speaker 15: They were ostracized through all this we had protesters come
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  Speaker 15: in farm outside of the area, to be quite honest,
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  Speaker 15: and they were abusing people of faith. We had religious
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  Speaker 15: leaders present, both Christian and Islamic religious leaders, and for
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  Speaker 15: them to hear our chance of f your God and whatnot.
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  Speaker 1: Was very very disrespectful.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Steve, thanks so much for fronting up again.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Steve Christie. There's a counselor at Cumberland
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  Speaker 2: City Council that book ban overturned.
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  Speaker 6: As you've just heard.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get back on to the national political debate and
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  Speaker 2: the budget fall out now, and I'm joined here on
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  Speaker 2: the desk by Queensland.
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  Speaker 1: MP Keith Pitt, former Resources minister. Good to talk to
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  Speaker 1: you again, Keith. Now I tried to explain.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I get caught in knots when
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  Speaker 2: I try and explain what this country's doing to itself
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  Speaker 2: in the energy with subsidies. Again, but just explain to
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  Speaker 2: me how I just think this latest rebate just sort
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  Speaker 2: of squares the circle, doesn't it, Because we subsidized renewables
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  Speaker 2: to get rid of COLE, and then we subsidize COLE
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  Speaker 2: because we have to make sure it doesn't get killed
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  Speaker 2: by the subsidies they designed, and now everything's.
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  Speaker 1: Such a mess.
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  Speaker 2: We have to subsidize everybody's power bill, apparently to cover
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  Speaker 2: the fact that we can't keep power prices low.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think late, Where does it go from here? Well,
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  Speaker 1: Late was trying to square the spiral.
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  Speaker 9: You start with the Clean and Finance Corporation and you
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  Speaker 9: get capital to build your wind farm into wind or solar,
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  Speaker 9: and then off the back of that, you sign an
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  Speaker 9: agreement for your RAC's renewable energy certificates, which are subsidized
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  Speaker 9: by electricity users, so you get this extra bit of money.
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  Speaker 9: Then after that you do a deal with the state government,
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  Speaker 9: most likely clean Co in Queensland or somewhere else, to
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  Speaker 9: get exorbitant prices for what it is you produce, and
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  Speaker 9: then when people can't afford to pay for it, you
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  Speaker 9: take the tax payers money from somewhere else and give
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  Speaker 9: your subsity you three hundred dollars which won't touch the sites. Right,
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  Speaker 9: that'll be forgotten before Christmas, and fundamentally forget everybody else,
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  Speaker 9: everyone that's in business, everyone that's trying to.
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  Speaker 1: Actually make a living.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what troubles me. And I don't envy you the
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  Speaker 2: job you've got ahead of you in trying to fix
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  Speaker 2: this because there's such a pack of cards stacked.
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  Speaker 1: Up here with all these entities and investments and all.
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  Speaker 2: The kit all the renewables and the and the transmission
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  Speaker 2: and the storage.
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  Speaker 1: Everything is in there now and everything's planned.
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  Speaker 2: How do you actually retro fit a sensible energy grid
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  Speaker 2: onto that. It's easy to say if we'd started back
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  Speaker 2: here and we just sort of basically replaced coal with nuclear,
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  Speaker 2: or we went big on renewables with lots of gas peaking,
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  Speaker 2: but we haven't done that. How do you retrospectively fix
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  Speaker 2: this grid without another decade or two of chaos.
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  Speaker 9: Well, firstly, just absolutely stop the craziness. That's the first thing.
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  Speaker 9: An intermittent product can never deliver reliable electricity.
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  Speaker 1: That's step one. Step two is we.
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  Speaker 9: Must commit to nuclear because long term, you need base
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  Speaker 9: load and you need to be reliable, you need to
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  Speaker 9: be affordable.
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  Speaker 1: That is the way to do it.
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  Speaker 9: In the interim, you maintain your coal assets, and you
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  Speaker 9: build up gas, and you have your peaking plants, because
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  Speaker 9: that is reliability. You get your gas priced down, your
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  Speaker 9: powered price down because guess what, it's on all the time.
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  Speaker 9: You don't have to transport it all over the country.
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  Speaker 9: You can actually locate.
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  Speaker 8: These where you need them.
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  Speaker 9: But you've got to sustain your existing baseload capacity or
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  Speaker 9: blackout bar and will come to fruition.
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  Speaker 2: We've got barely enough to do that at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: But I agree with you. If we've lots of col Chris,
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  Speaker 2: enough coal fire generation, But what about gas generation?
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  Speaker 1: Do we actually need to add more in? We certainly
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  Speaker 1: doing Victoria.
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  Speaker 9: If Victoria doesn't start producing from their own assets. There
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  Speaker 9: is no way you can shift gas from Gladstone, for example,
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  Speaker 9: all the way to Victoria and have it be competitive
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  Speaker 9: with the bas Straight. It's nonsense. So it's a depleting
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  Speaker 9: resource in the bas Straight. I've had a decade plus
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  Speaker 9: moratorium on gas expiration and now magically Victoria's running out.
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  Speaker 1: What is the price? It's a shambles.
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  Speaker 2: We wait to hear more on this from Peter Dutton
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  Speaker 2: tonight and then the lead up to the election. Thanks
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  Speaker 2: for joining us again, Keith Pitt there on energy.
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  Speaker 1: What a shamble. Say.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Now, on the other side of the break, you've got
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  Speaker 2: to catch up with former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer on
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  Speaker 2: the government's shameful decision to abandon Israel.
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  Speaker 1: At the United Nations.
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  Speaker 2: Now, as I showed you at the top of the program,
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  Speaker 2: I caught up earlier with Australia's longest serving Foreign Minister,
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  Speaker 2: Alexander Downer. I wanted to get his reaction to Australia's
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  Speaker 2: vote in favor of that UN resolution on Palestine, the
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  Speaker 2: one that's still generating so much consternation here.
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  Speaker 12: I thought it was disgraceful, and I thought it was
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  Speaker 12: disgraceful because what Australia has done is give comfort to
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  Speaker 12: Hamas and justify Hamas's attack on Israel and the terrible
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  Speaker 12: killing that went with it. And to do that, I
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  Speaker 12: think is very unusual for Australia. I would have thought
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  Speaker 12: in a situation like this it would only be natural
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  Speaker 12: that Australia would stand by Israel and stand by Australia's
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  Speaker 12: allies as well. The United States voted against the resolution,
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  Speaker 12: even the British should stained. So it was tremendously disappointing
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  Speaker 12: and it's a terrible thing to do to give comfort
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  Speaker 12: to terrorists and to play into the hands of a
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  Speaker 12: terrorist group like Hamas, which is what the Australian government
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  Speaker 12: has done.
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  Speaker 2: For a long while there's been bipartisanship between the major
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  Speaker 2: parties in Australia on the question of the Middle East,
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  Speaker 2: on the Israel Palestinian conflict, on the proposed two state
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  Speaker 2: solution that seems.
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  Speaker 1: To have been completely scrapped.
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  Speaker 12: Now, yes, for many years there has been bipartisanship on
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  Speaker 12: this issue, and Australia was, after all one of the
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  Speaker 12: founder states, if you could call it that, that supported
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  Speaker 12: the original resolution not just to create the state of Israel,
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  Speaker 12: but to create two states, because that was the original
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  Speaker 12: plan and the plan that was approved by the United Nations.
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  Speaker 12: That the Arabs didn't accept that and then invaded Israel
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  Speaker 12: unsuccessfully is part of the history.
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  Speaker 6: Of what has happened here.
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  Speaker 12: But you know, the resolution to create a Palestinian state
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  Speaker 12: now as a reward from what Hammas did on the
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  Speaker 12: seventh of October is astonishing and described and it's a
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  Speaker 12: total breach bipartisanship. But by the way, I don't think
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  Speaker 12: the Labor Party will at any time in the future,
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  Speaker 12: in the foreseeable future change their position because what they're
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  Speaker 12: voting for is domestic politics, and the Labor Party is
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  Speaker 12: frightened of losing votes to the Greens in inner city
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  Speaker 12: seats and thinks that by supporting this resolution somehow that
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  Speaker 12: will win the support of people who might otherwise vote
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  Speaker 12: for the Greens and stop the hemorrhaging hemorrhaging of Labor
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  Speaker 12: votes to the Greens.
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  Speaker 16: So it's very sad to.
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  Speaker 12: See the Middle East and these sensitive issues in the
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  Speaker 12: Middle East handled in this way by the Labor Party.
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  Speaker 2: Labor of course try and suggest that this is not
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  Speaker 2: the case. It's all about a continuum in their policy.
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  Speaker 2: Here is our Penny Wong explained it.
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  Speaker 22: This vote is not about whether Australia recognizes Palestine. We
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  Speaker 22: will do that when we think the time is right.
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  Speaker 22: What we would say and what I do say is
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  Speaker 22: Australia no longer believes that recognition can only come at
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  Speaker 22: the end of a peace process. It could occur as
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  Speaker 22: part of a peace process.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but this issue is already sort of tearing Labor apart.
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  Speaker 2: There's a controversy here today because a Labor Muslim senator
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  Speaker 2: has said that she's endorsed from the River to the
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  Speaker 2: Sea Palestine should be free argument. She says that Israel's
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  Speaker 2: guilty of genocide, and the Labor Party has voted against
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  Speaker 2: those comments. In the Senate, but she remains on a
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  Speaker 2: Foreign policy and Defense committee, so Labour's unleashed all sorts
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  Speaker 2: of division here on this issue.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, she should of course be expelled from the Labor
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  Speaker 12: Party because this slogan from the River to the Sea
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  Speaker 12: is a slogan that means the destruction, the total destruction
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  Speaker 12: of the state of Israel, and for Israel to be
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  Speaker 12: eliminated altogether as a state. If you did that, it
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  Speaker 12: wouldn't be long before Hamas took control of the whole
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  Speaker 12: of Israel and expelled the Jews. So I'm not entirely
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  Speaker 12: sure whether people in the Labor Party who support that,
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  Speaker 12: and there are people at the Labor Party conference coming
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  Speaker 12: up in Victoria who also support that sentiment, whether.
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  Speaker 6: They thought this through.
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  Speaker 12: But this is at the end of the day, this
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  Speaker 12: is a deeply anti Semitic slogan, and no, the senators
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  Speaker 12: should be expelled from the Labor Party altogether. If the
• 48:44
  Speaker 12: Labor Party had any real courage and moral principles, rather
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  Speaker 12: than always always playing politics, never doing anything else but
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  Speaker 12: playing politics, they would expel her.
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  Speaker 2: We shall see, they're going to have to do something
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  Speaker 2: with her, especially and when it comes to that committee position.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us, Alexander.
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  Speaker 6: It's a pleasure.
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  Speaker 1: Chris. There you go.
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  Speaker 2: We will see what Labor does, what Anthony Albanezi does
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  Speaker 2: with this senator over this issue. But I want to
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  Speaker 2: show you what jo Hannah's link hannahs Lenk says about
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: this situation. His editorial cartoon for The Australian tomorrow has
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  Speaker 2: a pro Palestine whack a mole and the Prime Minister there.
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  Speaker 1: Is trying to slap down with a.
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  Speaker 2: Wet Letterce Fatima Payment and Ed Husick and Penny Wong
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  Speaker 2: and Jason Clair and Tony Burke, all the people who
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  Speaker 2: have been soft on this issue, and he's demanding people
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  Speaker 2: respect his authority. That is the issue at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: This is an issue for Anthony alber Easy to show leadership,
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  Speaker 2: to show authority, to demand that his party follows him.
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  Speaker 6: But he's trying to be all things to all people.
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  Speaker 1: It is an unholy mess for this country.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining me again tonight and this
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  Speaker 2: week I'm all out of time now. Don't forget Peter
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  Speaker 2: Dutton at seven thirty, but up next is Peter Quidlin.
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  Speaker 12: Mm hm