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The Late Debate | 2 April · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait, welcome to the Late pay.
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  Speaker 2: Good eving and welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Caleb Bond tonight with Joe Hildebrand and Jamie Rogers.
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  Speaker 1: Joe, how you hold on?
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  Speaker 4: I am fantastic, calb Thanks for asking my wife never
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  Speaker 4: does I know.
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  Speaker 2: That's why you come and talk to us.
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  Speaker 1: We want to seal that human connection.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we look after you here on the late
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  Speaker 2: of that family.
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  Speaker 5: Jamie you I'm going wonderfully, but I've got to give
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  Speaker 5: you all the heads up that I am filling in
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  Speaker 5: for Deaneka.
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  Speaker 6: But I will not be singing on the program.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, So there'll be no Dianaton.
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  Speaker 5: No, none of that. You'll have to wait till till
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  Speaker 5: Danneker in the show.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly will they you all? Well, we'll see how things develop.
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  Speaker 2: They may will change.
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  Speaker 3: Here's what's coming up tonight, which states firefighter training facilities
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  Speaker 3: are so run down and likely to be decommissioned that
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  Speaker 3: they're now going to send recruits into state to get
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  Speaker 3: trained up.
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  Speaker 2: No prizes for guessing. We'll tell you soon.
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  Speaker 3: The sister of cop killer Dizzy Freeman has broken her
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  Speaker 3: silence after he was shot dead this week.
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  Speaker 2: She says she's ashamed and angry at him.
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  Speaker 3: That's on the front of tomorrow's Herald Son And a
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  Speaker 3: new British TV show is looking for actors to audition
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  Speaker 3: for the role of Elizabeth the First And you'll note
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  Speaker 3: I said actors, not actresses, because they specifically want a
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  Speaker 3: transgender woman that's a biological man to play her. And note,
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  Speaker 3: I know you said you weren't going to I know
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  Speaker 3: you said you wouldn't sing tonight, Jamie. And we normally
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  Speaker 3: have music in those teasers there too, and the music's
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  Speaker 3: gone missing too. I don't know what the hell's happening tonight,
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  Speaker 3: but we shall do ourby.
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  Speaker 1: Jamie was meant to be doing this, I know, I know,
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think you've seen enough of that woman there too.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get into the risk of the news. Oh sorry,
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  Speaker 3: possible transgender individual. Let's get into some of the other
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  Speaker 3: news of the day.
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  Speaker 1: Of course.
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  Speaker 3: Anthony ALBERNIZI stood up today at the National Press Club.
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  Speaker 3: So last night you got his nothing burger address to
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  Speaker 3: the nation, three and a half minutes of well, not
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  Speaker 3: much at all, really, just have a nice So there's
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  Speaker 3: nothing to worry about.
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  Speaker 2: Don't you worry about that? As sir Joe used to say.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, then he got up at the press club
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  Speaker 3: today and gave us a few more motherhood statements about petrol,
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  Speaker 3: and then he moved on, having told us not much
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  Speaker 3: at all to the art of distraction, because of course,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we are in the middle of a fuel crisis,
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  Speaker 3: so we need something else to talk about over the
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  Speaker 3: Easter long weekend. You know it's the old trick. On
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  Speaker 3: a Friday at five pm, you.
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  Speaker 2: Drop a story out there.
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  Speaker 3: Well, how about on morning Thursdays we're all about to
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  Speaker 3: knock off for four days, or some people, not me anyway,
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  Speaker 3: are about to knock off for four days. We'll just
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  Speaker 3: drop something else out there to distract you. And in
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  Speaker 3: this case it was gambling advertising.
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  Speaker 7: Between six am and eight point thirty pm. We will
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  Speaker 7: cap the number of TV ads for betting agencies at
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  Speaker 7: a maximum of three per hour. We will ban all
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  Speaker 7: gambling ads on radio during school pickup and drop off.
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  Speaker 7: We will ban cross promotion content commentary with odds, will
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  Speaker 7: end advertising on jerseys and jumpers and in stadiums, and
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  Speaker 7: will ban online advertising.
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  Speaker 3: Now, this is the basic process of what he wants
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  Speaker 3: to do, or run you through it again. The restrictions
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  Speaker 3: for TV and radio, So that will mean that you
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  Speaker 3: won't be able to advertise between.
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  Speaker 2: Six and a thirty that's six am and eight point
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  Speaker 2: thirty in the evening.
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  Speaker 3: It'll be restricted to three advertisements per hour. You won't
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  Speaker 3: be able to run and add on the radio during
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  Speaker 3: school drop off and pick up time. If you're under eighteen,
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  Speaker 3: they won't want to show you any ads online. The
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  Speaker 3: one about celebrities and sports stars, I don't quite get.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what's the threshold for deciding a celebrity. So
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  Speaker 3: they say a celebrity can't be in a gambling advertisement
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  Speaker 3: like Joe, you and I, Jamie, I'm still qualified.
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  Speaker 6: Do we still classified as celebrity?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I know exactly, so who is actually able to
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  Speaker 3: do it? And then of course the uniforms and stadiums,
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  Speaker 3: so you won't be able to have you know, for instance,
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  Speaker 3: in Sydney Shark Park, which is where Cranulla plays in
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  Speaker 3: the NRL, was for a while points Bet Stadium, and
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  Speaker 3: in anticipation of these rules coming in, they change their
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  Speaker 3: sponsorship that will now be banned as well you have
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  Speaker 3: able to have them on your jerseys. I think a
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  Speaker 3: this is a major distraction from what is going on. Normally,
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  Speaker 3: I would say we should be able to walk.
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  Speaker 2: And chew gum at the same time.
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  Speaker 3: But I think it was a pretty cynical move to
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  Speaker 3: bring it out today, and I think these rules are
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  Speaker 3: equally as cynical, because the major problem when it comes
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  Speaker 3: to gambling is not sports betting, but it is that
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  Speaker 3: people see a lot of sports betting because of course
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people watch sport, and so they see
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  Speaker 3: ads for gambling during sport, and people have formed this
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  Speaker 3: view that sports betting is the great evil and we
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  Speaker 3: must do something about it, but not that many people
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  Speaker 3: actually bet on sport. When the government has gone and
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  Speaker 3: surveyed this stuff, or the people they send off to
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  Speaker 3: survey this stuff, people whose sports be we're roughly in
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  Speaker 3: the last of about twelve percent of the adult population,
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  Speaker 3: so it's not actually that many people. And if you
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  Speaker 3: look at what people are gambling on, the most popular
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  Speaker 3: form of gambling is the lottery, and I suppose it's
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  Speaker 3: no surprise, then scratches, then the Poky's, then racing, then
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  Speaker 3: sport fifth, and then keino. But the pokeys, which come
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  Speaker 3: in third in terms of popularity, actually account for more
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  Speaker 3: than half of the thirty two billion dollars that is
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  Speaker 3: gambled in this country every year, and that's nearly double
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  Speaker 3: what is spent on gambling, on racing and sports combined.
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  Speaker 3: So tell me, Joe why this is such a big
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  Speaker 3: issue that we need to deal with. If the government
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  Speaker 3: really gave a crap about fixing the ills of gambling
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  Speaker 3: in this country, they'd be jumping up and down about
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  Speaker 3: the pokey's. But they're not jumping up and down about
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  Speaker 3: the pokies because they think, ah, you know, this will
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  Speaker 3: score us good political points because people think there's a
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  Speaker 3: problem with sports betting. It's actually not about fixing any problems.
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  Speaker 4: I actually don't think they are trying to create a
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  Speaker 4: distraction at all or score any points. This is what
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  Speaker 4: we call the business taking out the trash. So you
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  Speaker 4: mentioned the Friday afternoon drop. That's when you want absolutely
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  Speaker 4: no one to notice this thing. Now basically half the
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  Speaker 4: news papers aren't even coming out tomorrow because of Good Friday,
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  Speaker 4: and so there's not even anyone to report this. There
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  Speaker 4: is not even an opposition in Canberra to criticize it.
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  Speaker 4: And of course the other golden rule of journalism is
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  Speaker 4: if you want a story to be buried. You announce
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  Speaker 4: it to all the journalists at the same time, so
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  Speaker 4: that nobody has the scoop, so that nobody's emotionally or
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  Speaker 4: professionally invested in making the story, seeing and taking a
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  Speaker 4: beat to it. So I think this is the sort
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  Speaker 4: of thing they know they will be criticized by gambling
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  Speaker 4: anti gambling three.
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  Speaker 6: Years come out.
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  Speaker 5: He's had three years and juices to do it the
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  Speaker 5: day before Good Friday.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, because this is the one time it can completely disappear,
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  Speaker 4: because he knows that it will never be enough for
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  Speaker 4: the anti gambling activists and the gamblers. And you ask
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  Speaker 4: about poker machines, the gambles will put up the mother
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  Speaker 4: of all fights. And you asked why they haven't taken
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  Speaker 4: on the pokeing machines. They've tried, and every time both
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  Speaker 4: state and federal governments have tried, they have been kicked
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  Speaker 4: in the nuts. This happened with Bob carb and Treasure
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  Speaker 4: Michael Egan tried to tried to put in a massive
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  Speaker 4: pokey tax, and in the clubs just launched the mother
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  Speaker 4: of campaigns against him. We saw the same thing against
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  Speaker 4: Dominic Perete when he tried to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Where's he these days.
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  Speaker 4: Lovely guy off working for children.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 4: He's done better, I believe, but great guy, love him
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  Speaker 4: to death, but he lost that election. And Chris Mins,
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  Speaker 4: who said he was going to leave them alone one
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  Speaker 4: now you know, Julia Gillard, you know, was going to
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  Speaker 4: it the behest of Andrew Wilkie introduced caps on poker
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  Speaker 4: machines spending that got She ended up just basically just
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  Speaker 4: tearing up that agreement in full view once she realized
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  Speaker 4: that the I mean, so.
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  Speaker 3: You're proving my point. This is purely about politics. It's
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  Speaker 3: not about what it's not about. But it's not about
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  Speaker 3: creating about politics. But it's not about creating a distraction.
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  Speaker 4: From the fuel crisis and saying, hey, hey, hey, look
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  Speaker 4: at this. It's about burying this thing deep in the cold,
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  Speaker 4: cold ground so that it will be the least political.
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  Speaker 4: How and again, you don't take three years to do
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  Speaker 4: something that you think is going to be wildly popular,
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  Speaker 4: and you feel if you want, if you're doing something
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  Speaker 4: that you think is going to be popular. In politics,
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  Speaker 4: it happens very very quickly and very very publicly, and
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  Speaker 4: not in the afternoon of Holy Thursday, after everybody's gone
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  Speaker 4: home and there's no papers the next day.
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  Speaker 6: See.
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  Speaker 5: I also think that we need to be talking a
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  Speaker 5: lot more about the media companies as well as the
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  Speaker 5: sporting teams too, because for a long time they have
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  Speaker 5: built their funding models around and relying on that wagering dollar,
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  Speaker 5: and the owner should have been on them at some
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  Speaker 5: point to start phasing that out so that they're not
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  Speaker 5: going to get this enormous hit. You know that the
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  Speaker 5: TV companies are now demanding a ninety million dollar windfall
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  Speaker 5: to come from the labor government to make up for
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  Speaker 5: the loss of the revenue that they're going to start receiving,
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  Speaker 5: and the sporting teams.
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  Speaker 6: Will be the same.
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  Speaker 5: They have needed this wagering dollar for quite some time
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  Speaker 5: to pay these high salaries, so there will be a
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  Speaker 5: flow on effect, whether it's player salaries that end up
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  Speaker 5: having to be slashed or find new revenue in other places.
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  Speaker 5: But to your point, Caleb, in New South Wales alone,
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  Speaker 5: two point six billion dollars has come from Pokey revenue
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  Speaker 5: in New South Wales having close to sort of ninety
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  Speaker 5: five thousand poker machines, we're one of the largest in
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  Speaker 5: the world. We're up there rivaling Las Vegas. So if
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  Speaker 5: we are going to be talking about gambling reform. We
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  Speaker 5: can't be putting them all into the one bucket. You
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  Speaker 5: can't just use the term gambling as everything. It needs
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  Speaker 5: to be separating because it's the pokys that are the
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  Speaker 5: ones that are the really, really big problem. And I
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  Speaker 5: do think though there isn't an issue in the industry
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  Speaker 5: as a whole. I have used the example before that
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  Speaker 5: I have come from that industry, but when I had
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  Speaker 5: my two sons, one of them in particular, kept talking
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  Speaker 5: to me all about this ninja ad and he was like,
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  Speaker 5: I love this ninja ad. And it came on the
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  Speaker 5: TV and he's like, that's it. And it was a
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  Speaker 5: sports bet ad. Now I didn't have odds, but it
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  Speaker 5: was still brand recognition for him. And he would have
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  Speaker 5: been three or four at that time, and that was
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  Speaker 5: at the moment where I thought, oh, that's a little
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  Speaker 5: bit too close to home. So I do think there's
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  Speaker 5: needs to be something done overall. But I think what
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  Speaker 5: we're focusing on right now should be around the poker machines,
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  Speaker 5: and the media companies need to start figuring out how
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  Speaker 5: to phase out their reliance on the way daring dollar.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's too much wowserism as well. I mean
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  Speaker 3: we're going backwards as a country. Everything is bad now.
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  Speaker 3: You can't ever drink, you can't ever smoke. You get
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  Speaker 3: text into oblivion. If you want to have a punt
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  Speaker 3: on the weekend, you somehow evil.
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  Speaker 2: That's got to be banned too. We'll find out a way.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, they have found a way to text at the
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  Speaker 3: point of consumption text. I mean everything we do now
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  Speaker 3: is somehow bad, needs to be text evil.
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  Speaker 2: We can't have any fun anymore.
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  Speaker 1: A podcast.
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  Speaker 4: I've had two podcasts, I think for sports bets, so
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  Speaker 4: I'm certainly far from the reason they can't do the
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  Speaker 4: pokes though. It's because what is a club? What is
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  Speaker 4: the club's industry?
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  Speaker 1: What is you know? In this case, Club's New South.
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  Speaker 4: Wales, so it's x CEO lost his job as a
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  Speaker 4: really good friend of mine. But it is the world's
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  Speaker 4: biggest mailing list. You have all these clubs in all
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  Speaker 4: these electorates with just a list of their members, and
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  Speaker 4: all I have to do is press send to all
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  Speaker 4: and saying this is what's happened, this is what you know.
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  Speaker 4: We're not going to be able to afford.
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  Speaker 3: And a lot of them a lot of them are
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  Speaker 3: league club tied up with the football clubs anyway that
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  Speaker 3: are going to be in the firing line. More gambling exactly, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 3: I gamble responsibly if you're going to do it.
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  Speaker 2: Of course.
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  Speaker 3: Now over in Victoria, I mean it's you know, another night,
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  Speaker 3: another story about Victoria going broke.
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  Speaker 2: I suppose how about this one.
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  Speaker 3: You would think, of all the basic things you could
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  Speaker 3: do training firefighters, you should be able to do that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you want your firefighters in Victoria, should be.
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  Speaker 2: Able to train them on the site. But apparently not.
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  Speaker 3: They have these things called burns, which is when you're
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  Speaker 3: training firefighters, it's a place where they can effectively simulate
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  Speaker 3: if there was a fire in a building and the
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  Speaker 3: firefighters go in and train what they would do in
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  Speaker 3: that situation. But the buron cells they have in Victoria
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  Speaker 3: are apparently so bad. They're so run down that they're
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  Speaker 3: actually leaking smoke, so they don't work properly, and they're.
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  Speaker 2: About to be decommissioned.
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  Speaker 3: So now they're going to send their trainees across the
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  Speaker 3: border to Adelaide to be trained up to go back
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  Speaker 3: and work in Victoria. One point eight million dollars it's
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  Speaker 3: going to cost them to ship their.
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  Speaker 2: Fireries over would be firies over to Adelaide to learn
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  Speaker 2: how to do the job.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, come on, this place is so broke they
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  Speaker 3: can't even train their firefighter.
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  Speaker 5: But also the other problem with that is they don't
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  Speaker 5: know how many times they're going to need to do that.
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  Speaker 5: So it's one point eight million right now, but that
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  Speaker 5: could be over multiple different times. But this is just
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  Speaker 5: a perfect example of where priorities are all in the
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  Speaker 5: wrong space.
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  Speaker 6: You think about all of the waste that's.
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  Speaker 5: Been coming out of Victoria, the seventy million dollars annually
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  Speaker 5: for the treaty that people in Victoria didn't vote for
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  Speaker 5: that they don't want, and recently one hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 5: five million dollars to go to that COVID payout to
• 13:10
  Speaker 5: avoid Dan Andrews and the Labor government having to go
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  Speaker 5: to court.
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  Speaker 6: And now they can't put money into.
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  Speaker 5: Being able to upgrade their facilities to be able to
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  Speaker 5: train their firefighters. Police stations are closing down. There were
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  Speaker 5: forty three just recently that all had to shut their
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  Speaker 5: doors because not enough funding. It's just a perfect example
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  Speaker 5: of when your government have their priorities in the wrong spot.
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  Speaker 5: Things like this happen.
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  Speaker 4: You know what else, it's an example of karma. The
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  Speaker 4: bloke who is winging about this Peter Marshall, who is
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  Speaker 4: the boss of the United Firefighters Union. He was the
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  Speaker 4: guy more responsible perhaps than anyone, for propping up Dan
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  Speaker 4: Andrews in his government and also of going to war.
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  Speaker 1: The effective takeover.
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  Speaker 4: Of Professional of the CFA, the Country Fire Authority voluntary
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  Speaker 4: organization by the Metropolitan Professional Firefighters over which the then
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  Speaker 4: Emergency Services Minister lost her job. So Dan Andrews basically
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  Speaker 4: booted her to do Peter Marshall's bidding when she was
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  Speaker 4: saying no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: This is a terrible idea.
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  Speaker 4: It's obviously been fraught since, and I think she's now
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  Speaker 4: passed away just to make the soul story even sadder.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, I think this is obviously ridiculous. It's an
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  Speaker 4: indication of just an absolutely broken failed state.
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  Speaker 1: But it's telling. I think that the.
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  Speaker 4: Person who's now you know who's now copying it, is
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  Speaker 4: reaping a lot of what he has helped USIY so.
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  Speaker 1: Very interesting when you like to have fun.
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  Speaker 4: Fact about the first fire fighting organization in the world,
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  Speaker 4: The very first firefighting body was run by a Roman,
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  Speaker 4: a very rich Roman called Crassus, who came across this
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  Speaker 4: brilliant idea of basically having a professional group of firefighters
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  Speaker 4: who you could pay to put out your fire and
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  Speaker 4: just to help them along the way.
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  Speaker 1: He used to start fires in people.
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  Speaker 4: And then suddenly appear out in the front and say, hey,
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  Speaker 4: I've got some firefighters here. Would you like to would
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: you like them to Victoria out and let me just
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  Speaker 4: give you a quick quote here Lin Victoria.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's the Liberal Party, so they could do that.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's diabolical mess at a time when you
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: need the Liberals to be really on their a game
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  Speaker 5: to be able to defeat this woeful Alan government.
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  Speaker 6: We'll see what happened with more redeeming during the week.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and the guy who replaced her, what a great
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  Speaker 4: choice that was. You write one letter and someone charge.
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  Speaker 6: You make your stuff up.
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  Speaker 1: It's incredible, it's incredible.
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you another thing you can't make up. And
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  Speaker 4: I'll tell you this is a city that I have
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: to say, Caleb has battered without life. We certainly wu
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  Speaker 4: han it's back, Baby's back, but without a bat instead
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: has one hundred driverless Apollo go taxi cabs sounds like
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: a good idea at the time. You see the fifth
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: element driverless taxi cabs never ends well anyway, all the
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: passengers have suddenly been left stranded in the middle of Wuhan,
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: and because their taxis have just stopped dead in the
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: middle of the street like they've just stopped, and that
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: passengers are just there, and of course no one can
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: get past them. There's some footage of them there. No one,
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: of course, can can get past them because they're just
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: stopped metal there's no.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: One to drive them.
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: They also can't get out, and they can't get out
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: that's get out of the car either. They have to
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: wait for humans to come and rescue them.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: So I just you know, anyone who thinks AI is
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: going to be just you know, just a great idea
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: that's going to make life so much better for all
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: of us, I would probably just observe that.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: In this case, we don't know what caused it. It
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: could be this is the thing because all of these
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: evs now know basically hooked.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Up to the mainframe in one way or another.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: You had all this stuff recently with these Utong buses,
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: which Chinese manufactured electric buses and they've got chips in
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: them that hook up to five G or whatever and
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: they download information from China software updates into the bus,
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: which means essentially they could send information data something to
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: shut the bus down, effectively a kill switch from China,
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: at any time. And these buses are being used in Australia,
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: they're being used in the UK, they're being used in Denmark.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: I think it was where they did investigations into this
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: and found that they had kill switches and they could
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: do this stuff at any time. I mean, this should
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: be a warning that if that's just I don't know,
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: maybe something just went wrong in a system somewhere and
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden all these cars come to a halt.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Do you really want to be in a car that
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: could do that, whether it is driverless or not. And
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: do you want to run the risk of being in
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: a car, particularly a Chinese made one, because of course
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: they would be our biggest likely adversary that they could
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: turn around at any time and stop cars on Mass,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: or they could slow them down on Mass. I mean,
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: this stuff could wreak absolute havoc upon any city, any
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: country in the world. It's an extraordinary amount of control
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: and we see a little bit of what it could
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: be in that well.
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: It has also happened in San Francisco back in December
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: where a whole bunch of driverless cars also stopped and
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: that was put down to a power failure.
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: So for me, I just think.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: This is why we need to be having drivers in
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: cars and not be going down that AI path. And
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: in reading some of these articles, they said that pedestrians
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: can sometimes get hit that if the AI hasn't gone
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: through that process probably and experience that issue, then it's
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: likely to malfunction and be at fault. But to your point, Caleb,
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: all someone needs to do is just flick a switch
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: and everything could just be shut down.
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: I think that's frightening.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Call me cynical, but I think that given that they
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: still haven't told us what caused COVID, they're probably not
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: going to tell us what caused the tax is shut down.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, inded, particularly when it comes to Wuhan, I'll have
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: to go around to the lab again and see if
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: they're fiddling with the electric group.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Memory.
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: Now this is one for parents.
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: Can your child that is in primary school tie up
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: their shoelacers because there is a teacher here that is
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: pleading for parents of children in year six to teach
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: their children how to tie their shoelacers. And they're putting
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: it down to shoes with the velcrow straps and crocs
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: as delaying children being able to tie their shoes.
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: And I actually did.
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: A Google just to see what the average age is,
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: So when should your child be able to tie their shoes?
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: And according to.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: Google, I don't I didn't fact check my Google. But
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: when I ask I confidence, you say it's between four
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: and seven. And any age past seven is when they
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: could have a developmental delay, and perhaps you should investigate
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: that further.
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: Now, my son, who is eight.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: He's only just learned to tie up his shoelaces, so
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: he's probably on the slower end of learning now.
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: To time for that.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: You don't sit down and teach your children the skills
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: of tying up your shoelace, is it?
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, We're just like good you just yeah, my son.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: I don't want to shame him, but he took ages
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: and ages and ages, and we were trying to even now,
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: like I took him to soccer training tonight and looked
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: at his laces and I just went, oh, my god,
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: but it's just it's just I don't know, it's just kids.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: They're just boys, have they Yeah? I think so, like
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: they just you know, you just see them sometimes.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: But shoelaces, like, how hard can it?
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: It's hard hard when you think about it, when you
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: try to teach someone else to do it, that's really hard.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: You got okay, Oh my god, I don't even know
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: how I do you.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: How to change We all knew how to do our
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: shoelaces by the time in years shicks surely, I mean, do.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: You do the bunny is or do you do the
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: mouse through the hole?
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: So we do the bunny is just because.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: It's but this is it's like to tell the Suzuki
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: method versus a well.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Look it gets you to these result then who cares?
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I suppose.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: But this is the direct quote from the teacher in
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: this circumstances, who's in Victoria send out a message to
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: parents saying, if your child has not mastered this yet
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: at being the tying of the shoelaces.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Can you please work on this skill with them at home.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Of course, the teachers are going, well, heck, we've got
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: kids going on excursions or sport or whatever. They can't
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: do up their own shoes, so all of a sudden,
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: other teachers have to do up their shoes for them.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: And how good's this one? This is directly from the
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: article in.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: The Newscook Papers today, how the schools have sent videos
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: to parents showing them how to teach the skill to
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: their children for heaven's sake, including how to guards in
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: school newsletters and try this one on for size, even
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: resorting to having professional shoelace tying experts run sessions during
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: class time.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: And I read that and I thought, you have to
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: be joking.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: You're telling me that schools are paying for someone to
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: come in and teach people how to tie their shoes.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: I thought you that there is no way this is real.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: I thought April Fool's Day was yesterday, and I'm reading
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: this on the second of April.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Blow me down. I'm listening to the radio this afternoon
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: and a.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Chap calls up Michael McLaren on TWOGB and he says,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: I am a professional shoelace time. He said he answered
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: a job advertisement on LinkedIn during COVID, at which point
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: they offered him seventy five dollars an hour to go
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: around to schools and teach kids to tie knots. And
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: he's still doing that. He's done it in the US
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: as well. Now he's been paid eighty five to ninety
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: dollars an hour to teach kids how to tie three
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: different knots, including how to tie their shoelaces.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: This is where we have come to as a society.
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: At least they've been taught other knots to.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Some life skills, knights reef nights in case there are
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: out to see on an a tree clipper.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Like, seriously, well, why are we paying people to go
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: into schools and teach kids to tie their own shoelacers?
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: Serients a time poor And if they don't have the
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: time to sit down and teach your children how to
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: tie up their shoelacers, then have someone come in and
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: do it a whole school so that children aren't embarrassed
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: or singled out not being able to do it. Teach
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: the whole class or the whole whole year group in
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: one go, and then everyone knows how to do it.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: I've had teachers say I remember in kindergarten it was
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: a teacher said, please make sure that you teach your
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: children how to tye up shoes, specifically boys, and she
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: said because their shoelacers are wet and I don't know
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: where they've been.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I get the but that's good point escalated.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: But I get the I get the time poor thing.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: And I and I speak as that I'm not a parent,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: you two are.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: But but surely we don't know what we're doing.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: But surely, surely.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: You can't be so time poor that you can't find
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: five minutes in a week to sit down with your kid.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Shoe lace.
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: They had the shoe on it where you could pass.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we made this is the thing. Like we tried,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: like my I think I made it. My mum told
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: me told me to just or never ends well, but with.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Like a board with holes that I drilled.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: Into it with two different laces that were two different
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: colors so we could tell them apart and what they're doing,
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: and it just sat there. I think we had a
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: shoe that was the same as well and just And
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: it's because if you do something long enough, it's like
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: when you're teaching your kids to ride a bike, and
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: how do you do that?
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Just bounce?
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: But I just can't stop thinking about being a professional
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: shoe lace. I know, like that is the most amazing
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: job I've ever heard of on the line, And you
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: just sort of think, I wonder what happens in the head,
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Like they always just sort of satisfied with tying the
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: same knots. They experiment, they experiment. Do they think I
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: know I'm going to I'm going to take this not
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: to the next level. Say if I can crack that
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: triple figure an hour blin.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: You know, well, for for ninety bucks an hour, I
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: could probably lie during the day, tay Per shoelacers I reckon. Now,
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump, you probably saw this afternoon, gave an address
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: to the United States about what's going on with the war,
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: and that was a nothing burger like the one we
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: had from the Prime Minister last night when we had
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: from Angus Taylor deceiving. There was nothing particularly new in it.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: But what was more interesting.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Were comments that he made separately from that address about
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: the war. One of them was in an interview he
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: gave to the Daily Telegraph in the UK where he
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: said he was asked about NATO and whether he was
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: reconsidering his position on NATO and the possibility of leaving it,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: and he said it was beyond reconsideration, by which he
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: means he's actively now thinking about leaving NATO. And he
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: made further comments today about NATO, essentially saying, we went
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: in and did what we've done in Iran. We don't
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: want their help, we don't need it.
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: We had some very good allies over there. We've had
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: some very bad allies in NATO.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: We didn't need it.
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: We blasted the hell out of him out of Vrain,
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: and the last thing I needed was NATO stepping in
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: our way. Many of them said we'll be there after
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: the war is completed, and so I learned about NATO
• 26:22
  Speaker 8: won't be there if we ever have the big one.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Now I'll come back to the serious point on NATO
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: in a minute, but just for a little bit of levity,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: he expanded on his thoughts on Europe and some of
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: their leaders.
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: Then I call up France Macron, whose wife feats him
• 26:40
  Speaker 8: extremely badly and he still recovering from the right to
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: the job, and I say, Emmanuel, we'd love to have
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: some help in the golf. Even though we're setting records
• 26:56
  Speaker 8: and knocking out bad people and knock it out ballistic vessels.
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: Would love to have some help if you could could
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: you please sendships immediately. No, no, no, can I do that?
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: Doing on.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: It does the French accent.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: It's too good, isn't there?
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: But back to the serious point about NATO. Of course,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: the last time Trump got chety with NATO, they fell
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: into line, which was on military spending, and then NATO
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: came and kissed the ring and there they were.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Saying, oh, thank you, mister Trump. You've you've really got
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: this sorted out.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: You're right, we need to spend more money on the military.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Is this I suppose Trump doing what Trump always does,
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: which is he advances the worst possible.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Situation and then you sort of come and meet in
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: the middle. I don't know he's going to the US.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: The US, correct, they contribute sixty two percent of the
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: entire NATO funding for defense. They contribute nine hundred and
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: eighty billion dollars in the last twenty twenty twenty five
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: and so they need him. But I have found it
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: really interesting some of the words that Trump are said
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: around how this was in Iran. It was a loyalty
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: test towards the Allies and they failed. But one element
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: that I did have a little laugh because I feel
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: as though Australia's in the same boat where he refers
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: to Sir Kis Starmer and said all Starmer wants is
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: costly windmills that are driving your energy prices through the roof,
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: and that they don't have a navy, and you're too
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: old and had aircraft carriers that don't work, And that
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: is exactly the same position that Australia is into. And
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: Australia needs US as an ally more than the US
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: needs us, except.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: That we are backing the US.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: We came out of the block straight away to say
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: we support the US's action.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: We're unequivocal about it.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Kirs Starmer, who incidentally is played by Judy Dench in
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: a parody of The War on Iran, which I.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Think is just immaculate casting. But let's leave that to
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: one side.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: But kisarm has been completely equivalent and even when British assets,
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: British interests themselves are under threat in Cyprus, he was
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: still dragging his feet and failing to actually activate the
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: UK military even to sort of defend its own interests,
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: let alone tress of the world or the Iranian people
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: or the special relationship with the US. So very, very
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: weak and he's obviously scared by all the crazy trots
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: in his own part.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Oh look, I take your point.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: But speaking of weakness, I mean, you know, when we
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: had a sub floating around up there, we said that
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: our sub mariners had to go and stay in their
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: bunks while the USS shot missile.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, come on, that's also a bit weak.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: Constantly saying we're just looking, and.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: We're saying that, well that's their favorite line. Well, we
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: are also deploying. We are also deploying forces too. We've
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: sent the Wedge Tail over there, the Air Force ship
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: that is having a defensive posture but providing information and
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: intelligence to the US. Also possibly sending we'll talk about
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: that in the papers, but possibly sending sas troops to
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: be on standby.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: So I think I think that's good.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: I think what Trump is doing here is what he
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: has done throughout this whole conflict and argue with his
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: whole life. Is he lays down an ultimatum and people
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: believe that he might just do it because it's madman diplomacy,
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: and people think he's so crazy. It's just one whether
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: he's really crazy or whether he's just acting crazy, who knows.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: But clearly people believe it, so because the norms don't apply. Again,
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: he says he's going to He says he's going to
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: just vaporize every single Iranian energy asset unless they do
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: what it reopened the Gulf. He then backs down from
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: that and doesn't. He says he's just going to leave
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: the Gulf of Homers because he the Srad of Homers,
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: because he doesn't need it, because America don't need it.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: That's right, exactly.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: That could be a concern though, Joe, because he could
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: just leave, but then countries like us need that.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: That's exactly right. So he.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: Says, I'm just disappearing, I'm out of here, and people think, oh,
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: is he really going to do that? And what happens.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: United Arab Emirates suddenly comes up to this, we'll fight,
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: We'll fight with you, We'll fight with you, because they
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: know they need it. And again, it's the same thing
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: with NATO. If NATO thinks, holy crap, if this thing's
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: going to stay closed forever, America's fine. America actually benefits
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: because its own oil prices go up, but it's the
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: rest of the country the white So does that get
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: him the NATO? I think it wants, and then again
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: same thing here. Fine, I just walk away from NATO.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: You know, see how you go without me? And do
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: they blink? Because you know, the reasonable person, the rational
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: person will always blink first, because they're the ones who want.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's the story of this war. You've got
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: Iran which is banking its entire religious belief on an
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: apocalypse in which the Muslims are martyred in a fight
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: with the infidels, and they've got it happening, so they
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: can just do whatever.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: They don't care.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: They want to go down in a blazer glory, they
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: want to go up in a puff of smoke. If
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: Trump is kind of as crazy brave as they are,
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: maybe he's the only response to that. I think that
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: for a little bit of the pop psychology session.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: While we're on the US, Joe, Yes, one story has
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: really taken your interest over the land.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: It has.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: And thank you for allowing me the privilege of being
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: able to introduce this story, Kayla, because I I just
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: can't quite I can't quite get my head around it.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: It's amazing.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: But you may remember the former head of ICE who
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: was resigned, Christy Nome, who is a figure who is
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: obviously a lightning rod for discontent on the left, for
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: reasons that I cannot entirely get my head around. After
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: this happened, and after a slightly shoddy performance of Christie
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Noman one of her advisers at a committee hearing, she
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: or someone released pictures of her husband, who no one,
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: it has to be said, was really paying much attention
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: to up until this point. And it turns out her
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: husband has a fetish for wearing giant breasts. I didn't
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: even realize this was a thing. So it's kind of
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: like a cross dresser, but it's really just all about
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: the bazungas, what I mean. So he puts on these
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: giant things, pouts a bit, takes a photo of himself.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's online, posted online, but I think he
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: shares them. But I don't think these were ever public.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: These were all in a private chat fetish in a
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: private fetish chat room, but they.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Did get posted publicly.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Caleb, I'm glad you brought that up as well, because
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: and now, according to a report in The New York Post,
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: people are suggesting that perhaps and this is apparently a
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: hypothesis that is being taken seriously by several Republicans that
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: in fact, Christie No herself leaked the photos of her
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: own husband dressed up to the wazoo with the inflatable
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: bosoms to distract attention from her own kind of scandals
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: that were going on, which, as bad as they may
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: have been, did not involve putting on a giant pair
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: of fake boobs and taking a photo of yourself in
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: a private fetish chat room, so that this would then
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: make her figure more of its sympathy, people would feel
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: sorry for her, would distract attention from her own woes.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: And again, I'm not sure if this is the sort
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: of distraction that you really want.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: It seems like a long I've got to.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: Distract people from the fact that I've shot myself in
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: the foot by shooting myself. But then so she can
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: divorce her husband and get together with the advisor who
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: she was grilled next to by this same.
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: Coming a fair, and their rumored to be living together.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: This is God.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, we think we've got scandals in this.
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: I would hate to think that she has leaked these photos,
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: and the reason is because they have three children, and
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: so you would hate to think that the mother has
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: gone and leaked that about their dad, because think about
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: the FLAC that those children would be copying at school
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: knowing that that's photos of their dad that's circulating the internet.
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: There are multiple reports that are coming out around now
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: this needs to be investigated from a potential security concern
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: because he was doing the chat rooms and uploading money
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: and they're then saying he could have been coerced for blackmail.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: And there's now been a delve into deeper issues.
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: So if these photos had been leaked, Christie has basically
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: opened herself up to a much bigger investigation now because
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: they've got to make sure that there were no security
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: concerns off the back of this.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: And you know what US politics is like, and we
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: know that's involved all sorts of shady, nefarious criminal possibly
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: even you know who killed JFK.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I did not say that, you know Jeffrey F. Seed.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: On the other hand, I reckon, there's a few questions there,
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: and but like this, actually this sort of stuff, like
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: the stakes are just so much higher in US politics.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Would someone actually throw their own husband under a bus,
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: especially if they think that their husband.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Has humiliated them?
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, if it was my wife, well, it wouldn't
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: make any sense if my wife did it.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: But if my wife like if I don't think, if
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: you will, my wife would be very happy.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think. She probably wouldn't be happy.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: Baby, it's just me and the guys.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: That's that's that's next level. If you're going to.
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: That's a real desperate attempt to save your political career
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: and save face, both throwing your family and your children
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: under the bus.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: And also interesting that it would then end up in
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: the Daily Mail if she was delicate, because the Daily
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Mail is not, you know, one of the bastions of
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: UIs journalism. But of course the Daily Mail was the
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: one that got hold of this story.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Just might not touch it. That's the maybe others don't
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: touch it. You give it to the Daily Mail because
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: you know that I've thought that, see Joe Wave, you
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: would give it to the Daily Mail because you know
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: they'll go with it. And then once they've done it,
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: it's then everyway for everyone else because they don't have
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: to they have to get their hands dirty and look
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: at these pictures we've got, you know, on the New
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: York Times of the Wall Street Journal they can just like,
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: will you look at what the Daily Mails reporting is thought.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Joe's thought inside out about this.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: If we see any photos of his family members pop
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: up in the press, will know where.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: They came from.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Now a hint a new television program about Queen Elizabeth
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: the First. I think we've got a little bit of
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: a preview for it here tonight.
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: I may have the body of.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: A weakened, feeble woman, but I have the heartmed stomach
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: of a concrete elephant.
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: Settler.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to have a little drinking and then
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: I'm going to execute.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: The whole lot of you. Sorry, that was Blackadder. I'm
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: sure that's far better than anything that's going to be
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: producing now.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: And also, Christie Nooham's husband in the back.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Of ITV in the UK is apparently going to put
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: together a new program about Alizabeth the First And that
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: line there that you would have heard, which was slightly
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: paraphrased there.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: But I know I have the body of a weak
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: and feeble woman, but I have the heart and stomach
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: of a king, is what Elizabeth the First said. And
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: now itv reckons and apparently some other people that that
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: may have been because she was transgender.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: She was actually a bloke.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: And so now ITV is putting together a series which
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: is going to be eight episodes long, and they're going
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: to explore the possibility that Elizabeth the First was transgender,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: and they are now asking for transgender women that's biological
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: meant to audition.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: For the role of Elizabeth the First.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, we've got enough garbage television as it is.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: What is it with this obsession now where they make
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: these sort of you know, allegedly historical dramas and they
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: come up with the craziest stuff.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: You know, we'll do some period drama about.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Seventeenth century Britain and we'll fill it with you know,
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: black aristocrats or will ever bloody transgender Elizabeth.
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: Come on, You're spot on though, because historical TV or
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: documentaries can just be littered with terrible reconstructions of what
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: has happened. And when I see read this of what
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: is going to be created, all I think is no,
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: thank you, I am not going to be watching that.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: Heaven forbid. There was a strong female woman that was strong.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Has been.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: I've lost beligous to say a woman, but it is,
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: it is unbelievable.
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: I've had enough of this. It is just.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: The thing is so incredibly stupid, and it actually exposes
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: how utterly ignorant these people are to actually the background
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: and the context to what Elizabeth was actually saying. And
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: the reason, of course why she was saying that she
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: had the heart and stomach of a man is because
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: there was a whole cohort of people who thought she
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: was illegitimate. She wasn't in the original line of succession.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: She of course came after Henry the eighth, and then
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: Edward and his son Edward who died very young. Then
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: Bloody Mary, who took the took England back to the
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: one true Church of Catholicism, which she should have done,
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: and everyone burned for that reason and a good cause.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: And then of course, and then of course it ended
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: up being Elizabeth. And this was the I mean, the
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: last time there was a potential Queen of England with Matilda,
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: there was a civil war because people thought there is
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: no way a woman can possibly run a country. So
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: she is saying, look, I am man enough to run Joe, Joe,
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: He's not saying I've got a meet in TV.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Seriously, Joe, there's a far better explanation, which is she
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: had a penis.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Surely you should know that, Joe, as we.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Now know in the modern world. After the break, we
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: will get into the papers. Dizzy Freeman's sister has broken
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: her stiles and we've been a bit harsh on mc
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Canberra Times all week, so we'll take a look at
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: what they've got on their front page.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: To sorrow, it's a little more positive. Don't go away.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Let's get stuck into tomorrow's news tonight, shall we. Jamie,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: you've got the Herald Sons.
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: I certainly do, and on the front page Desi wrecked
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: Havoc and Evil from his sister. Desi Freeman's sister says
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: she is ashamed and angry at her murderous brother who
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: has wrecked Havoc and Evil. Freeman's sister told the Herald
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: Son she was deeply embarrassed by her fugitive brother and
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: says she feels totally devastated and heartbroken for the two
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: slain officers. Freeman's sister, who was too embarrassed to be
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: publicly identified so her parents would have been horrified by
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: Desi's actions, she said, I am ashamed and angry that
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: my brother was capable of murdering two human beings who
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: were just doing their job. Were never asked for any
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: of this, just like Neil and Vadam and their families,
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: colleagues and friends. It would be really heartbreaking, wouldn't it
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: if you had a family member that went and committed
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: a crime like that.
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: I just do not know how I would cope with it. Well,
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: God forbid your kids or something.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Well, this is what we're talking about.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: The other night, his son was saying, you know, anyone
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: who was celebrating the death of his father was disgusting
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: human being. It's kind of you know, if you go
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: around shooting cops, I think you're the disgusting human being here.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: But I understand how difficult it must be as a
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: family member to go through that process. I mean, imagine
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: looking at your brother you grew up with and used
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: to have play fights with and toys you play, and
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: then you actually that dude turned out to be a
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: murderer and then died in the circumstance in which he
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: did because he went on the run and they couldn't
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: find him for seven months.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: It would be an extraordinary thing to try and come
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: to group.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: I know a case of a known pedophile who killed
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: himself before he could be before he could be tried
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: in court.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: And quite a high profile figure.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: And my wife, which as a journal went to the
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: funeral of him and it was amazing and.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: It's always sayed with me.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: His son got his son got up to do a
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: eulogy and said, I know all these things people say
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: about him whatever, but to me, he was just dad
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: and he was a great man.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: And sort of.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: It's just stagger it like you would have. I think
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: you would have to be able to thing like that.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: I think you have to be able to compartmentalize it
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: or you would just go insane, even if it means
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: you're effectively saying, oh, look, sure, maybe he was a pedophile,
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: but he had a lot of other really good qualities.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: And I don't actually sort of begrudge the son for
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: saying that, because I think if you didn't have that
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: kind of.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be an extraordinary thing to do.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Anyway.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: On the front of the Advertisers Tomorrow says the essay
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: is sent to Middle East on stand by. Australia has
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: seen essays troops to the Middle East to be on
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: standby in case of the Around War escalating. A contingent
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: of about ninety specially as Service Regiment members, was sent
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: to the region.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Two weeks ago.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: The elite sold were likely to have traveled to the
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: al Minhard Air Base in the United Arab Emirates. Efforts
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: understood that the Australian SAS troops will not be involved
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: in any potential US attacks. So I suppose you've got
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: to wonder what exactly are they doing there. I know
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: we've been told well it's all defensive, but the ESAs,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: you know, you don't muck around with the essay is.
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: You don't, But it says here they're not going to
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: be involved in any potentially.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: Stop it like because Iran has been like firing on
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: the United Arab Emirates as well because they have US
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: and the.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: US it's up there.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: So it's basically saying we're not going to attack, but
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: you hit us, we'll defend ourselves and we'll defend the
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: country that's hosting it.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Little bit of positive views on the front of the
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: tars as well, fueling footy fans to travel. It says
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: that footy fans driving to the gather Round, which of
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: course is in Adelaide next week, have been given a
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: free kick by the AFL with a ten cent e
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: leater fuel discount introduced for the duration of the event.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: Motorists will be able to take advantage of the special
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: deal through the AFL's official app Participate Paying Shell out
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: Let's starting on Wednesday, April the eighth through to Monday,
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: April thirteen. So you can get on the app, get
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: your teen cent discount like you get the full sents
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: at the supermarket and how good, don't miss out on
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: the footy.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: But meanwhile, what's on the Camera Times, Joe.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: I'm glad you asked, Caleb, because I understand that you
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: have been speaking very unkindly about the Capital's mast head
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: in my absence. And as you know, I have the
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: utmost respect for the Canberra Times, undying coverage of the
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: particular woes of bureaucrats and whether or not they get
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: their four fifty three pm log off time course in
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: the office. But the Camera Times has outdone itself in
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: terms of sometimes I pretend that their front pages aren't
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: particularly interesting, They've outdone themselves. They've actually produced no front
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: page and no newspaper and instead put this message at
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: their various retail outlets. Happy Easter to all our readers.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Today's paper returns on Saturday.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: It's idiot.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: It's happy to everyone.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: It's the best gift.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: It's the best written front page I've seen on the
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: Canberra Times. After the break, friends, Philip, what did he
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: do the night before he died? I think he did
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: what anyone else would do if they knew their time
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: was coming.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: That's up for this.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Now, imagine you're out the windsurfing, having a wonderful time
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: out on the water.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: What would you not want to happen, Jamie.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: Oh, I think this would be fabulous to happen. As
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: someone that loves to be out in the ocean. Let's
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: take a look and see what has happened to this
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: windsurfer while they were out on the ocean. She took
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: a lot more dramatic than what I had thought in
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: my head.
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: But nature, how cool is that? The whale was okay
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: and the john was okay. No one's injured. And the
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: person that actually.
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: Captured that footage said that they had been following that
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: whale for the past week. It had been in the waters,
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: the wind, the way.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: And how about I don't know if you can play
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: it again, But as our inspiring supreme leader, Danny Wheeler
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: observed the woman who's in the foreground of that shot
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: completely misses the whole thing. The woman in the bikini,
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: who is just you know, sort of sorting out a towel.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: There she is sorting out of towel, you know, getting
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: nice and color. Bye bye, windsurfer. And then she sits
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: down and turns around. Your wonder what's happening out of
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: the water today. Anyway, I'm going to tell you about
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: rocket launchers. As you know, Caleb, I'm an ally. I'm
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: a big fan of female empowerment. I believe that girls
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: can do anything that that men can do except play
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: sport or become an astronaut or hold down professional.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: That's a life.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: Send your digging, Send your digging emails to Joe Hildeerand
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: at the Guardian dot com dot anyway.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: You have got two hundred and two point six million
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: in the middle of fuel. Christ We've got two point six.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: Million leaders of fuel used to send the Artemis spacecraft
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: into well space. It's going back to the Moon. We're
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: going back to the moon, and this time it's chicks.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, if that is not a sequel, I don't
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: know what is. Anyway, have a look at this extraordinary
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: moment in history.
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: Three two one booster ignition and lift off the crew
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: of Artemis two, now bound for the moon, three miles
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: in altitude, traveling more than twelve hundred miles per hour.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Now eighty four miles in altitude. Six hundred and fifty
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: eight miles. Down there you go, and very quickly before
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: we go.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: Prince Philip, before he died, according to a new book,
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: decided the night of that he was going to slip
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: past the nurses and go and get himself a beer.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: And he died in the morning.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Good on your, Prince Philip Hero.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: That's how any of us would go. Thank you so
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: much for joining us tonight. Up next to the red
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: a pannel, he showed good night.