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Ranking The Second 50(ish) Games · The Long and Short of It

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  Thanks for checking out the long and short of it podcast.
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  We hope you enjoy the show. Hello and welcome to the long
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  and short of it. The podcast where we discuss
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  each of the games on the Metacritic top 100 list.
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  My name is Dan and I'm joined by.
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  I'm Lawrence. Welcome to the podcast, welcome
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  to the podcast. Indeed, welcome to A very
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  special episode, a special so listeners.
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  Well yeah, I do got longtime listeners will remember that.
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  I don't know how long ago it was now, but it was over a year and
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  a half ago. I think I'll be able to But
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  carry on go. Yes.
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  Yeah. So around a year and a half, two
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  years ago, we did a special tier list episode where we ranked
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  each of the first 50 games on the list.
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  It was the 9th of September 20 21.
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  Okay. So yeah about that year and a
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  half ago. Yeah, so long time ago now,
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  since then, we've worked our way through the second half of the
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  list with the exception of two games which are breath of the
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  wild and Half-Life, Alex. So we thought now would be a
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  good time to do a second tier list episode where we rank games
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  fifty to ninety eight. Now, I know that It's a very
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  random number but we're not going to get to breath of the
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  wild or Half-Life Alex anytime soon.
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  We're kind of I don't know how to explain what our methodology
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  in terms of the list is at the moment for a kind of there isn't
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  one can mix? Yeah, it's a picker mix of of
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  games that have since been added to the list, the remaining few
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  games on the list. Then we're going to be moving
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  into our own selections or own choices to go onto the list.
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  So to speak, a hypothetical noticed.
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  Yeah and then and then we made a decision yesterday because we do
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  want to carry on doing the podcast and obviously the list
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  is running thin now. So we talked about the open
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  critical list. The open critic list is a
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  different list, another well-respected aggregate website
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  and they seem to have a bit of a different formula to how they
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  rank these games. And there are quite a lot of
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  games on that list that did not appear on the original
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  Metacritic top 100 list. So we talked about working
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  through the games that are on that list.
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  But not on the Metacritic top 100 list after this.
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  And we also talked about, I think we've mentioned a few
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  times that we may do a movie spin-off or something like that.
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  So we're also looking at aspects of that as well.
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  So the podcast will be continuing.
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  There is no end in sight. Unfortunately, for our dear
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  listeners, we will be carrying on As a as, as Leonardo DiCaprio
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  says and the Wolf of Wall Street.
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  I'm not leaving. Yeah, exactly.
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  Yeah, with the removal of an exploitive because we keep this
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  podcast quite clean. Yeah, we do.
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  We do we try our CSS today is going to be a big one and
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  listeners. Are longtime listeners of the
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  podcast. Will remember, last time we had
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  a few beverages when we did this episode and we will be doing the
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  same. Again, today is a bright
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  Saturday afternoon and yes, a good time for, I think so.
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  I think we're going to kick off. I know you're going to start.
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  Do you? Do you, do you want to just give
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  a little background as to what this is for anyone that hasn't
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  listened before in terms of a tier list?
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  Yes, it's here list is, it's a sort of ranking where we have,
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  I'll tell you what we have we have five categories and we go
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  through the game's one by one. And we have a short conversation
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  and we come to a joint. Session about which tear again,
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  belongs in. Yes, some are easier than
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  others. Some, we might disagree on and
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  go backwards and forwards until we decide, what's here, they
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  need to be in. And it is, is it SS being the
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  highest and F being the lowest? No.
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  So the five tiers RS. ABCD, those are the tears that
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  occasionally use superb. When we did the original tier
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  list I did think and we'll do this very quickly.
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  So there's a lot to get through in this episode.
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  There are some just want to going to quickly run through
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  where we previously put our games on the previous episode,
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  okay? Very quickly, want to run
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  through little round robin Benchmark of where we put
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  things. Yes.
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  Okay. So in the Deets here, we had
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  Pac-Man DX, I'm looking at a screen shot now, so I will try
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  to get the names right. We also had Little Big Planets,
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  we had Starcraft That one. Yeah, so I got some Grand Theft
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  Auto Chinatown Wars World of Goo sx1 think that was and Quake.
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  One of the Quakes. I think it was quite to maybe.
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  I think it was quick to, I think you're right in the seat.
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  Here, we had Hades, we had Grand Theft Auto 3.
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  We had Oblivion, we had burnout three.
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  We had Devil May Cry, Grand Theft, Auto 4.
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  Tekken 3, Half-Life 1 Grand Turismo Splinter Cell Pandora
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  tomorrow so those are our seats. Here's and I'll be tears, were
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  Tony, Hawk's Pro Skater 3, braid, Bioshock, Half-Life, 2,
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  Halo, Grim Fandango, Batman Arkham City must be.
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  Yeah, it would be. Yep.
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  Correct, Knights of the Old Republic Star Wars.
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  Yeah, Mario 64. Metal Gear, Solid 2, Tony Hawk's
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  Pro Skater, 2. Call of Duty.
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  Modern Warfare Final Fantasy 9, undertale Minecraft, God of War
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  and Zelda A Link to the Past in our AIDS here which is where the
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  big guns start to come out. Head Red Dead Redemption.
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  Zelda Ocarina of Time, Call of Duty, Modern Warfare, 2 Halo 2
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  Resident, Evil 4 Gold. And I The Last of Us Red Dead
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  Redemption to Celeste portal. The Last of Us Part 2 and Super
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  Mario Galaxy and in the elite St.
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  R, we had Metal Gear Solid 3, the Zelda Majora's Mask Persona,
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  5 and Metal Gear, Solid 1 So I forgotten that we played some of
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  those games that you mentioned, Brave bear.
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  I think in the CT, I'd forgotten that we played braids, like
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  we've been doing this for so long, I'm quite happy with the
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  way that that is landed. To be honest.
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  I think we made some good calls there and I'm very happy with
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  that St and we'll see if any games join the test here today,
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  okay? So any more housekeeping before
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  we start? No, no.
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  I've cleaned my house this morning.
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  So I have no housekeeping for For this.
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  Anything from you you might have just heard a tink but yeah I'm
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  going to start having a drink now.
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  I know you're going to be joining me very soon.
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  So yes yes, that's right away. I thought some I'll tell you
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  what I'm drinking as well. We did that last time I remember
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  drinking I was drinking red wine or something.
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  I'm drinking a cider. I'm very much on Apple Cider as
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  now. Proper Apple ciders and I'm
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  drinking a Henry, Henry westerns medium Drive Insider, which is
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  eight point two percent volume. So that's probably gonna go down
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  a tree. Excellent.
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  I've I've just finished a cup of immunity.
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  I've got a can of Coke in front of me and I lucozade sport but
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  probably when we get to about 25, 24, 25 N, I will have a
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  beard and I thought. Yeah, I said to Dan before we
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  started recording because it's currently 1:25 in the afternoon
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  and if I start drinking now, I will be asleep by 6 p.m. and I
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  have things to To do this evening.
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  So I'm, I'll be having a Guinness at around the halfway
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  point, maybe to guinnesses. Yeah, begin.
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  I stopped for a lovely to gillis's.
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  Okay, let's kick off. Let's I've already randomized
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  are. So what I've done is we've taken
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  the games that we played, excluding breadth of the wild
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  and Half-Life Alex, which we will get to in an addendum
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  addendum and addendum the an addendum to the tier list.
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  So, a third tier list episode, which will be a lot shorter that
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  some point. Yeah, it will be a lot shorter,
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  there. Aren't that many games left,
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  unless we start to include the open.
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  See ones as well, but we'll see. Yeah, we shall we get on as
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  we've said, the list and the episodes are a bit chaotic at
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  the moment. So, what I've done is, I've
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  taken that list of the first, I've put them through a
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  randomizer. So, I've got a random list of
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  all those games that we played. So it won't be the order that we
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  actually played them know, and then we will go through one by
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  one and add them to the tears that we think.
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  So letís get it on the list. Is to kick us off.
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  Half-Life 2, episode 1. So, what do you remember about
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  this game? First of all, I remember
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  thinking it was, it was, it was all right.
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  I think I preferred episode 12, episode 2 from memory.
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  I think anyone that's listening for a while as listen to our
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  Half-Life episodes know that these aren't games that I grew
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  up with. And, you know, a lot of people
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  think, Half-Life 2 is one of the best games ever.
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  And I did enjoy a Half-Life 2, I think.
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  Code 1 & 2. I didn't enjoy as much.
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  I did appreciate that. They were a bit shorter than
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  Half Life 2, but I would say Half Life. 2 episode 1.
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  I enjoyed a bit more than episode 2.
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  What do you recall from that game?
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  I kind of remember when it was. It was a while ago, Half Life 1
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  episode, where the earlier parts of this half 50?
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  Yeah, I I think Half-Life 2, episode 2 is the better game of
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  the The bit that I will draw your memory towards is the
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  lovely bit towards the end of the game where you are.
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  Ferrying people backwards and forwards.
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  I remember. Yeah, that was a treat.
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  Yes, quite I think personally, I think Half-Life 2, episode 1 is
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  the weakest of the Half-Life 2 games.
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  I think we're going to land around a b or c.
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  Yeah. I was always going to say a PC,
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  I was really sad. Be so where do you think B or C?
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  I'd say be okay. We'll check into a be okay.
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  It's a good game. Yeah, it does have frustrating
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  parts. Are that ferrying part towards
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  the end but overall it isn't a that doesn't bring the overall
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  experience. Perience down.
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  Now, it's still a good shooter, isn't it?
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  There are. There are some games that I
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  could play that game again. And yeah, that part wouldn't put
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  me off. There are some games like mgs2
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  where I'm not. Yeah, I could play that again.
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  And then I think about the escorting emmerich section.
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  I'm just like, no, I couldn't play that game again right now.
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  You know. So it doesn't.
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  That's it doesn't put me off enough to not play it again.
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  Even though I probably won't play that game again.
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  It's a small part. Yeah, of a game.
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  That's not that long anyway but yeah.
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  Okay, nice quick ones. That start with next.
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  We have Super Mario Advance for Super Mario Bros 3 for the Game
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  Boy Advance. Yeah, you need memories of this
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  game. Yeah.
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  I mean we played that relatively recently, didn't we?
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  I think we might, I don't have many memories of it.
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  No, I think we played it this year or towards the end of last
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  year. Maybe it's Mario 3, isn't it?
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  It's Mario 3, and Mario 3 is clusters, you know, one of the
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  best Mario games obviously. It's very different from From
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  its 3D counterparts but I think that Mario 3 is a great game and
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  it brought a lot to the table in terms of advances from Mario one
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  and then the two versions of Mario 2.
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  So I think that this is a pretty solid game.
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  What do you recall from it? Other than the fact you don't
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  remember much, So we did it about about halfway through this
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  half of the game. Okay, just over.
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  Yeah, so we did play a while ago, I don't have many memories
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  of it. I do know that this game is a
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  fondly loved game. I found it.
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  I seem to recall, I found it a bit frustrating so it's a hard
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  one for me. Would you say Peggy at sort of
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  BT. We did this game on the 5th of
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  January so it was this year blimey.
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  Okay. So yeah, I would say yeah I
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  through quite a lot of games in January then yeah I'd go, I'd
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  go. Bit.
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  Yeah, be be know. Maybe I'd say, see, okay,
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  comparatively to the other games that we've got in this side of
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  the list, I don't know if I could say a.
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  When there are sorry, be when our potential litigation, I'll
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  go see? And, and this is, this is
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  something that's worth noting, isn't it?
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  Because this tier list is not a tear least to say of the whole
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  gamut. So, not aiming.
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  So ADI here isn't necessarily equivalent to a d.
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  Across Europe gaming it's not it's not b not big rigs over the
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  road racing you know. No these are games that are
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  known as the best games of all time.
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  So in comparison to those other games we think yeah it's
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  objectively object belongs in the object.
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  You are objective. I am subject.
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  That's crap. That's quite right.
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  But yes, I'd say see another one.
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  You know what? When I was putting this
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  together, I had quite a few that just draw a blank now.
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  Yeah, yeah. So Civilization 4.
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  It's true. Yeah, we don't wish on to
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  civilization, goes something like that.
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  We do serve to and sinful not very memorable to be honest.
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  It's a strategic isometric game, isn't it?
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  And I remember liking sieve for more than sieve to because it's
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  more modern but yeah, nothing really stands out for sinful.
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  There was some cool elements to it and I remember that you and
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  me had a bit of fun playing around with, you know, some of
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  the different areas that you can.
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  Weigh-in. But overall, I don't remember
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  much about this game and that doesn't say a lot because as
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  I've got older, my memory particularly for media has got
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  poorer, but if it was something special, it probably would have
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  stood out a little bit, you know.
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  Yeah, I'd agree with that. I struggled to remember this
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  game and I even struggle to remember the art style of this
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  game, I'm trying to picture it in my head and I don't have I
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  have no memories of it and sometimes when you play a game
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  you remember the episode and maybe not the game as much, but
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  I don't even remember the episode.
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  I don't remember what we talked about civilization.
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  Well apparently, yeah, or we may have got off on a tangent as we
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  do white. Surpassingly.
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  I'd give it a day. I want to say you're going to
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  put Sadie, I'd say d. Okay?
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  What did you say? Put it in.
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  I was only, I was only thinking that considering, you said it
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  was better than number two and I would agree with that.
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  But dude, that's one thing that I do, remember it was that the
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  quality of life was much improved over to yeah.
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  For that reason I pay get above that but then maybe it still
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  belongs, indeed? Yeah.
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  Like even if some things are better than others, It's in the
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  list. I think they can sometimes sit
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  together in the D category, unless you put it in F category,
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  which were not, you know. Yeah.
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  We'll put it at the top of D. Yeah, I remember.
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  This is something we did. Last time is it without?
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  Yeah, we've got high. C and low C.
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  Hi, being low. Yeah, we Loosely stuck to that
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  with the Str? I don't think we really stuck to
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  that. But yeah, no, definitely with
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  the, with some of the tears we did.
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  So next up is a game that I do have many more memories of
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  Perfect Dark, what your memories are.
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  Perfect, dark Basics, GoldenEye 64, but a little bit better,
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  isn't it? I am I.
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  Yeah, I like this game and I think after we finish this, you
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  went on to play or replay the second one, didn't you from
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  neighborhood? But I know, I know the second
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  one isn't as good as well as in class as good as the first one.
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  But, no, this game is awesome. It's got some wild stuff in
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  there, you know, like Gonna Save an alien from her.
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  From a base or whatever. But this is effectively like a
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  sequel to GoldenEye without the license really.
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  So yeah, I remember liking this game quite a bit just because of
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  maybe Nostalgia a little bit but this is a good game.
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  What do you recall from the for me this is a We put Golden Lion
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  AIDS here to me. This is a standout 80 title.
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  Not sta know. I wouldn't have said steer
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  either. But a tear, it's that it's a
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  very strong game that still very, very playable.
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  Today, I'm going to pick up the Xbox version of it and yeah,
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  it's very smooth. Lot of fun.
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  Yeah, I still like Perfect Dark a lot.
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  I think not, maybe as impactful as GoldenEye, and I think
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  there's there is a an argument to be had about, which is
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  overall, the superior game. Is it, is it the game that
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  started it all? Or the game, that refines it
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  mechanically? Fake.
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  Darks a better game but like, yeah, it's the same
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  conversation. Is that about Ocarina of Time
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  being? Maybe not the best game, but the
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  most important and golden eyes more important than perfect
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  dark. Yeah, I'd agree with that.
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  Yeah, we're and perfect. Art was again stunning.
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  When it came out graphically it was really Head Over Heels
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  compared to what other games were doing.
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  And yeah, it's a good game. Great soundtrack.
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  It's got the co-op mode in there as well.
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  Great multiplayer once again ability to have Bots and stuff.
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  Like Like that. Yeah.
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  So just a very strong Contender and one that I remember quite
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  fondly, I agree with in a. Yeah, it's sitting in a nice.
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  Okay, Street Fighter 4 back to the games that I have no
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  recollection of. Yeah, again, we played a couple
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  of Street Fighter games, haven't we?
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  Because it's one of the more modern ones.
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  It's correct yet. You know, it will stand out
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  against some of the older that I think we need Street Fighter 3
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  alpha male. Maybe it'd be more Street
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  Fighter till I can't remember but it's C Street Fighter 2
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  something or other in the first half but yeah.
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  These games aren't really for us and we mentioned that in all of
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  the street fights, the games that we've done in all of the
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  arcade Fighters like Virtua Fighter, Tekken 3, good game but
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  didn't really stand out but I would probably give it a CE.
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  Maybe. Okay.
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  I think it's better than, you know, sieve but you have any
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  memories of it, not particularly no.
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  All all of the street fighter games, kind of merge into one
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  for me because there's been quite a few and because I don't
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  have a personal relationship or seen this rate with.
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  Yeah, they just kind of merge but like, you know,
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  comparatively thoughts on the detest already.
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  I'd say it's a sea. Yeah, I'd agree with that.
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  I remember it. Looking nicer than the other
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  ones. It had that kind of very 360 PS3
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  art style Bayard, aged quite well.
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  Yeah, yeah, I don't really remember much else about it, to
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  be honest, there is a fighting game coming up, but I do
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  remember quite fondly, but this isn't that.
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  So yeah, I'll stick it in cm will move on.
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  Very good. What you'll find it.
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  But this this is that some games we get through very quickly and
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  other games, we will deliberate for some time.
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  Next game is God of War 2018. Yeah, interesting one.
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  I remember liking this a lot more than you did.
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  And well, I remember not finishing this.
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  By the time we did the episode, and when once we did finish
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  doing the episode, I did finish this game and I do Think I
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  really gave any updated thoughts on it.
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  I like this game. I don't necessarily love it but
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  I do like it and I remember the time playing it and I remember
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  it fairly fondly. It's not a game that I love and
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  I said that in the episode but it's definitely a good game and
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  it got me invested in this new iteration of God of War I'd say.
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  And we have got coming up on the list at some point.
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  God of War, where rugs? Oh, So that's coming up.
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  This was this also coincided with the time for me.
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  Where I went where I just got my new gaming PC so I remember yes,
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  playing it because I was continually trying to refine the
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  experience and eventually I got to the point where I was happy.
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  But no, no, I do. I'm not going to say I loved it
• 22:18
  because I didn't, but I did quite like this game.
• 22:20
  Once all was said, and done and you get the bits where you
• 22:24
  realized that his mother was a giant.
• 22:26
  And there's some nice story beats towards the end.
• 22:28
  And yeah, it was, it was a, it was an enjoyable experience.
• 22:31
  That's the perfect word for me. Yeah.
• 22:34
  It is a very enjoyable experience.
• 22:37
  What curse? I think you've got.
• 22:38
  You've got a history with God of War, whereas I don't, yeah, I
• 22:41
  played these. Played the God of War games for
• 22:43
  the list, but that's about it, really And because this one is a
• 22:48
  lot more narrative focused than gameplay focused to some extent.
• 22:53
  I think. Yeah, I'd agree with I I found
• 22:57
  myself able to get absorbed into this a bit quicker than you
• 23:01
  maybe and I think, as well as that because you had the
• 23:03
  technical issues made it before hadn't.
• 23:04
  You as what I'd played, I probably played about two or
• 23:07
  three hours of it prefer. Okay.
• 23:08
  Before I got bored of it. But often is the case, where we
• 23:13
  come across games on this list, where I've played before and got
• 23:16
  Order of when we come to actually playing them and I play
• 23:18
  them again for the list. I try and push through and I'm
• 23:21
  glad that I did with this one because I really liked it, and I
• 23:24
  thought it was good. I'm looking forward to playing
• 23:26
  Ragnarok. I'm not, you know, I'm not super
• 23:29
  excited about Ragnarok, I'm not like, oh yeah, I can't wait to
• 23:31
  get to it, but I'm looking forward to it.
• 23:34
  And, you know, I feel like after a decent gap between the Art of
• 23:38
  War and before Ragnarok, I'll enjoy Ragnarok.
• 23:41
  More. Mmm.
• 23:42
  Yeah. And and that's fair enough, but
• 23:45
  I'd put this mm, as an a Okay, I'll go with that.
• 23:52
  Were you pushing for more of a high BMI than I'll play as a
• 23:56
  lower a than yeah. Perfect diet though.
• 23:59
  Yeah, yeah that's fine. But yeah, I think it deserves
• 24:01
  beignet a tear. At here.
• 24:06
  Okay. Next, we've got another fighting
• 24:09
  game. So this randomized list for some
• 24:11
  reason. It threw up a lot of fighting
• 24:13
  games towards the beginning. So we've got Virtua Fighter 4,
• 24:18
  then Reserve back this. This is a hard one for me
• 24:21
  because I remember when we talked about in the episode this
• 24:25
  was the game that came with my PS2, when I first got a PS2 and
• 24:31
  I've got a lot of nostalgia. Nostalgia tied with it.
• 24:33
  Yes, big-time. And I find it quite hard to be
• 24:38
  objective to most extent with this game because I realized
• 24:43
  that it isn't. It isn't an incredible arcade
• 24:46
  fighter, you know, there are better arcade fighters on this
• 24:48
  list, you know, you could look at Tech and three or all
• 24:51
  obviously Soulcalibur or well, the street fighter games.
• 24:55
  But for me, personally, this is not an important game to me,
• 25:00
  really, but it's a game that I have a lot of Memory with I
• 25:05
  guess because you know when I first got my PS2 this is what
• 25:10
  came with it. This is what I played a lot of
• 25:12
  and it was my first experience into the next-gen which when
• 25:16
  you're 10, 11 years old is quite quite something, particularly
• 25:20
  with the technology leap, from the PS1 to the PS2.
• 25:26
  But You know, trying to be subjective about it.
• 25:31
  I would say, I prefer this game to Street Fighter, so I would
• 25:35
  put it as a seat here, rather than did we put Street Fighter?
• 25:39
  At Dior, did we put Street Fighter at c-in-c?
• 25:42
  Okay, I'd put it alongside Street Fighter.
• 25:44
  I think in see, I mean what are your thoughts?
• 25:46
  If you have any memory of it? I don't this these fighting
• 25:51
  games I think generally within maybe the exception of a couple
• 25:55
  one. Maybe you remember better than I
• 25:57
  do. This game, what I tended to do
• 26:01
  with them, I dabble with them and I'd also run through the
• 26:03
  arcade mode to the very end. So I would have done that here,
• 26:08
  but I couldn't pick it out in my mind from.
• 26:12
  I've just got a bunch of the fighting games that we play.
• 26:17
  They will kind of Blended together.
• 26:18
  Yeah. Can't pick them out from each
• 26:20
  other, so I'm going to go with you on this.
• 26:23
  I can't reliably say, no, that's fair enough.
• 26:27
  We may need each other support on some of these games.
• 26:30
  I'm sure I'm sure. You'll have your games where
• 26:31
  you're like that as well. Yeah. 100%.
• 26:35
  Street Fighter Alpha 3. All right.
• 26:37
  Okay, straight straight in. Again, let's see.
• 26:42
  I think the Street Fighter game is kind of, like I say with
• 26:44
  Street Fighter 4, all kind of merging together.
• 26:46
  I don't remember anything in particular about Street Fighter
• 26:50
  3. And, you know, I think the fact
• 26:54
  that we've now got three arcade Fighters, what?
• 26:58
  Because I would suggest this goes in the sea as well, gives
• 27:01
  you an indication as to, yeah, I respect them, but they're not
• 27:05
  really my vibe. I guess.
• 27:10
  I vaguely. Remember this one, I vaguely
• 27:15
  remember. This one being Rock Solid in
• 27:16
  terms of difficulty able to school and I'm thinking of yeah,
• 27:21
  it was, it was one where I was struggling to make Headway at
• 27:27
  first, and it was one of those games.
• 27:28
  I think I said at the time where, You really have to put
• 27:33
  the time in yes. To get good at this game and
• 27:38
  this is one of those games. Yeah, I'm happy for it to sit
• 27:41
  on. See we may decide that we want
• 27:42
  to spread out. See a Bix.
• 27:44
  We've got four in see already. Yeah.
• 27:47
  But yes, for the moment, it can go in the sea.
• 27:50
  Cool. Alright, next an interesting
• 27:54
  wives, another arcade fighter, it's not borders.
• 27:58
  Gates who Shadows of arm. I remember this one very
• 28:02
  strongly. Actually, I remember this one,
• 28:04
  because I recorded this one in my car and a very hot day at a
• 28:07
  service station on the M1. I didn't really think much of
• 28:12
  this game to be honest with you. For me, it's an easy D category.
• 28:18
  I didn't really enjoy it and I just, yeah, it really passed me
• 28:21
  by That's why I'm gonna push for a see with this one and I'll
• 28:27
  give you my reasoning, right? It's not that I think it's
• 28:29
  amazing do. I remember this, this this is
• 28:34
  the game where we started playing this a good two and a
• 28:38
  half, maybe close to three years ago.
• 28:41
  Yeah. And we should I remember playing
• 28:43
  it when I was away of my family and I couldn't get into it.
• 28:48
  I said I think we're going to struggle with this one and let's
• 28:51
  put it off into his. Yeah it eventually we put it off
• 28:55
  for a good couple of years and we came back to it and I force
• 28:59
  myself through it and Mechanically.
• 29:03
  Yeah, it's hard to get into and it's a real thinker but I did
• 29:10
  get to the end of this game and I really enjoyed certain
• 29:14
  elements of it. Now, I'm not going to say it's
• 29:17
  one of the best games. I've run a thing like that but I
• 29:19
  just think The fact that I remember it and the fact that I
• 29:24
  do remember getting into it I got to the point where it did
• 29:27
  hook me for me makes it more than a day.
• 29:31
  Yeah I just think it deserves to be above civilization for me.
• 29:38
  That's that's that's fine. I'd say low C then F.
• 29:41
  If you want to push it for you see ya.
• 29:45
  Hello Zed. All right, we're now on to game.
• 29:50
  Number 10. Get me an interesting one.
• 29:53
  I think Metroid Prime. You can start with this one.
• 30:01
  This is a Nintendo loyalty and and it's one that I've thought
• 30:08
  about a lot. Since we played it sometimes
• 30:12
  games, just leave your mind and they never come back as we've
• 30:15
  already discussed with the first half of the first 10 games.
• 30:21
  But this game, I've already thought about quite a bit and I
• 30:24
  think with the the remastered version that came out to very
• 30:29
  high critical Acclaim as well, which actually I really want to
• 30:32
  play. I think certainly it had its
• 30:38
  frustrations, and I also enjoyed the atmosphere and I I enjoy
• 30:46
  that. I mean we've recently played Ori
• 30:51
  and that follows a similar structure to Metroid Prime.
• 30:54
  I like that kind of style of gameplay where you are.
• 30:58
  You've got this vast map and you're remembering where doors
• 31:02
  are to unlock them and things like that.
• 31:06
  It's got its annoying B. Like the chozo ghost things,
• 31:10
  they were really annoying. but, I think one of the things that
• 31:16
  makes this game Stand Out is that I don't think there's
• 31:18
  anything quite like it on the list.
• 31:20
  It's a first-person metroidvania shooter Adventure anything and
• 31:30
  you can't compare it to things like Halo, you can't compare it
• 31:33
  to things, like Call of Duty it's just its own beast and
• 31:37
  enter no shooter. Yeah, and it's not I don't
• 31:41
  believe it's sto or anything like that.
• 31:44
  I mean my gut would say a be personally so I don't know what
• 31:49
  you think now I The thing with Metroid is that I know that it
• 31:57
  is highly regarded particularly Prime and it is up there with,
• 32:03
  you know, some of the higher Nintendo royalty, kind of titles
• 32:08
  but part of me felt with that game.
• 32:11
  I thought it was fine but I felt that the the hype around it kind
• 32:17
  of overshadowed it a bit. I thought it was okay but I
• 32:21
  didn't looking back on it. I don't think.
• 32:27
  But that it was a, I don't think that it was anything stand out
• 32:32
  or anything special. So for me, I would say that it
• 32:37
  would be more of a seat here because it was just kind of It
• 32:42
  just felt like a first-person Adventure game that I didn't
• 32:45
  really mesh with, and I feel that if I were to agree with you
• 32:52
  on a, an A, or a B t.i., just be doing it because it is Metroid,
• 32:56
  but I also recognize that taking my opinion out of it.
• 33:01
  It is objectively a good game, it's just not something that
• 33:04
  messed with me. So if you wanted to put it in a
• 33:06
  be then I could understand why, you know, Yeah, I remember the
• 33:12
  quote that we used from the episode, actually that we did,
• 33:14
  which was someone, our, someone basically, echoed, similar
• 33:21
  sentiments, what you've just said on a on some sort of forum
• 33:26
  and they said, I don't get what the fuss is about, Metroid
• 33:30
  Prime. No.
• 33:31
  And then, someone just responded with a liner just said, You had
• 33:35
  to be there. Yes, it was special and and this
• 33:39
  is a big thing with me and Nintendo games in general, that
• 33:41
  we've covered on the list. Because I didn't, I've never
• 33:44
  really been into Nintendo games. I struggle to kind of get into
• 33:47
  the mindset of them, you know. Yeah, this is a 2002 game as
• 33:51
  well. Yeah, I mean, I think, I think
• 33:53
  it sits nicely when you consider what we've got in this.
• 33:56
  He's here. I think it's a step above those
• 33:58
  game. Sure about.
• 34:00
  I'm not going to Champion it in. A or n-no?
• 34:04
  No, I yeah. If you want to stick it in be,
• 34:07
  that's fine by me. Gotta find the icon first.
• 34:11
  All right, here we go. B is fine with me.
• 34:16
  Okay. Next.
• 34:21
  This was a very divisive game for us.
• 34:25
  We're on our device of games apparently.
• 34:27
  So yeah, The Witcher 3 wild Hunt.
• 34:30
  Yeah. You like this a lot more than I
• 34:32
  did, didn't you? Yeah, I really, really like what
• 34:36
  quite a recent one for is what we only did this.
• 34:37
  Maybe about a month or so I didn't we.
• 34:40
  Yeah. So it's quite fresh.
• 34:42
  This this is another one like Metroid that I I can recognize
• 34:47
  as why people love it but I've Tried to play this game for the
• 34:53
  podcast. I think it was the fourth time
• 34:55
  of the third or fourth time and I just cannot get into it.
• 34:58
  And, you know, a lot of the time when we play games, on the
• 35:02
  podcast I've tried before, and like I said earlier, I trying
• 35:06
  power through and get through. If it's something I've played
• 35:08
  before but fallen off, I make an effort to try and try and keep
• 35:12
  steady with it for the, for the episode.
• 35:15
  But this one, I just could, there's just something about
• 35:17
  this game that I cannot Vibe with.
• 35:19
  I can't click It but everyone I know every video I watch every
• 35:25
  review that I read or listen to about this game, puts it as one
• 35:29
  of the best games ever, and it's just me.
• 35:32
  I just can't, I just can't with this game.
• 35:35
  I just don't, I just don't get it.
• 35:36
  I can't get into it, which is a shame, because I can see why
• 35:39
  people do love it, but it's just I just couldn't something about.
• 35:44
  Yeah yeah it just doesn't click with you and I think maybe maybe
• 35:49
  an element to it is the old medieval fantasy vibe and I say
• 35:53
  that as someone that, you know, enjoys some RPGs in medieval
• 35:58
  time. But, you know, the thing that
• 36:01
  this game makes me think of which I did quite enjoy, but
• 36:06
  because there was such a steep learning curve to it.
• 36:08
  I didn't carry on with Kingdom Come Deliverance.
• 36:11
  Yeah. And you know, it more grounded
• 36:15
  Than The Witcher 3. Yeah, is.
• 36:17
  But then you compare it to Final Fantasy 9, which feels like it's
• 36:20
  in a similar, kind of world to some extent.
• 36:24
  And I love Final Fantasy 9 by having a style Jew for that
• 36:26
  game. So I think that I just struggle
• 36:28
  with medieval RPGs, maybe maybe and you know, I never really
• 36:36
  clicked with Game of Thrones and Game of Thrones feels like it's
• 36:38
  in is somewhat similar that. Yeah, a lot.
• 36:41
  I watched five. Aries, I think, and again, I
• 36:45
  thought it was fine but I never really You know, the I really
• 36:49
  like the first maybe half of Game of Thrones and then I just
• 36:53
  think it jumps the shark. Yeah.
• 36:56
  And goes places, it can never come back from.
• 37:00
  And I also find Game of Thrones to be a bit of an emotionally
• 37:03
  manipulative showing that it It does things that deliberately
• 37:09
  make you hate people or love people.
• 37:11
  Yeah. And he's going out of its way to
• 37:14
  make you feel those things for them so that when they get their
• 37:17
  comeuppance or not mmm it affects you but some some forms
• 37:23
  of media can do that without the heavy-handedness without the
• 37:28
  kind of all. We're going to make you hate
• 37:29
  this character now. Yeah they just do it organically
• 37:32
  I felt that a bit with Game of Thrones.
• 37:36
  So, I hated some of the characters a lot, but I was also
• 37:38
  very aware that I was meant to hate those characters suppose.
• 37:41
  That's the best way to put it. Yeah.
• 37:44
  So I love, I mean, you've raised a very some stuff from entry
• 37:49
  about The Witcher. Whoa.
• 37:51
  Yeah, when we did this episode, and since then, actually, I've
• 37:55
  been rereading The Witcher books.
• 37:57
  I've completed Again The Witcher 2, I am now finishing For the
• 38:03
  First Time. The Witcher 1.
• 38:07
  I really love the world to me. I think the games go its flaws.
• 38:17
  We talked about that. Yeah I don't want to go in there
• 38:19
  and then just just all these. Yeah.
• 38:22
  Blindly grocer was yeah as I said the the GPS navigation
• 38:29
  system that's in the game, kind of works against it and there
• 38:34
  are some other things I think frustrated me at the time I also
• 38:37
  think the expansion blood and wine is a better experience than
• 38:40
  the core. Yeah sure three experience.
• 38:44
  So this game hasn't peaked for me in terms of which, and I also
• 38:48
  think Witcher 2 does do some things better.
• 38:51
  But I also think which are three does some things better than
• 38:53
  which are too. So to me it's on the, the, a, or
• 38:59
  the B tear, it's either a high b or a low.
• 39:03
  A, I'm not up to be honest. Wherever it says I know I know
• 39:08
  we're a bit divided on this one. So for me it's a b but I think
• 39:11
  that it should go into a but I mean for me it's a sea but I
• 39:16
  think that it has has its place in a said to Sheree create one.
• 39:22
  Just yes and tiered. Yeah the answer is yes but now I
• 39:29
  reckon you could you can put it in a I'd probably push back if
• 39:33
  you pushed for an ass. No I wouldn't I wouldn't push
• 39:36
  for an S because like I said if if I can point out again within
• 39:39
  the same series or I do an expansion which is a fully
• 39:42
  formed expansion which I think yeah Does It Better Than The
• 39:47
  Witcher 3? If I put Witcher 3 and S, it's
• 39:50
  like there's no room to improve but I think there is, yeah,
• 39:52
  sure. Okay, onto a game.
• 39:57
  I have no thoughts of good. Excellent Madden NFL, 2003.
• 40:06
  Yeah, I'm hoping you got something to say about like,
• 40:11
  well we've done. Is it three left side already
• 40:15
  three? Yeah.
• 40:16
  Games in at once. So, he did 2002 2003, 2004, I
• 40:21
  seem to remember that we did to each.
• 40:23
  Yeah. I can't even remember which one
• 40:24
  I played think I do because we that, we then did another
• 40:30
  episode, where we did the college football game NCAA and
• 40:35
  yeah. Yeah, we knew how to K1, and,
• 40:37
  and girls who K1 that was it. So, I mean, they're EA sports
• 40:43
  games and, you know, that they're all very say me.
• 40:46
  I enjoy, I enjoyed my time with them because I used to play
• 40:49
  Madden games around about 2010, 2011, and I quite enjoy American
• 40:54
  football, but there were fine. There are American football
• 41:01
  games basically. So I'd say I'd say I'd say see,
• 41:10
  okay. And the only thing I really
• 41:12
  remember about these Madden games is that they they were
• 41:16
  iterative and they each one got better than yes.
• 41:22
  So at the bottom of the pile was 2000 and 2003 was better than
• 41:26
  that and 2004 was better than that.
• 41:28
  Yeah, sure. So yeah, I'm happy to do that
• 41:32
  13. I've got no horse in this race.
• 41:35
  Lovely. That's just what you want to be
• 41:38
  saying when you're doing it here.
• 41:39
  This, that's right. Absolutely, that's what the
• 41:41
  penalty is. Something really big and
• 41:43
  exciting Madden NFL 2004 as it did it actually spit them out
• 41:49
  and that landed right next to it.
• 41:51
  She's just the same. See, I think the highest see
• 41:56
  than yeah, yeah. But yeah, that that EA Sports
• 42:02
  poo, these games out every year and they're all pretty much the
• 42:04
  same. It's the same with the FIFA
• 42:06
  games at the N't FIFA 22 is the same as 3423 pretty much.
• 42:11
  So yeah, I'd say that they're about the same.
• 42:14
  Okay, I've got nothing to add. Thank you very much.
• 42:20
  Once we game that again, is a bit of an interesting one and
• 42:22
  maybe one that we've forgotten that we played.
• 42:27
  But when I think about it, I do have some fairly strong memories
• 42:30
  of it Chrono cross. Yeah, I struggled with this one,
• 42:35
  didn't? I think I put maybe about 15
• 42:38
  hours into it or so, but I I struggled with this, which
• 42:44
  surprised me because that was, I don't really know.
• 42:47
  I think the curse of this list and the curse of highly rated
• 42:52
  games, and I've said it in a few episodes, The Harry Brown
• 42:55
  effect, which is the effect that I've coined, and it's the fact
• 43:00
  that in 2010 or whatever it was that Harry Brown, the film came
• 43:04
  out with for anyone. That's not watched it.
• 43:06
  It's like a late naughties British crime film with Michael,
• 43:10
  Caine Dia. And at the time, everyone is our
• 43:14
  Harry Brown. This is a mint film is really
• 43:15
  good. Yeah, it's quality is really
• 43:17
  good and I watched it and I was very underwhelmed, and I think
• 43:20
  it's because I'd listened to so many people saying how good it
• 43:23
  was. It kind of ruined it for me and
• 43:26
  I think it's the same with the Chrono with Chrono cross and
• 43:30
  maybe or Chrono Trigger, although I've never played it.
• 43:34
  I just kind of let the hype filled because people say oh,
• 43:37
  Chrono Trigger is better than Final Fantasy 7.
• 43:40
  And to me I'm not okay, wow. That must be pretty big.
• 43:45
  And then obviously Chrono cross has the is a sequel to Chrono
• 43:48
  Trigger. Yeah, it just didn't really land
• 43:51
  with me but I can understand why it did land for other people you
• 43:56
  know. And I think it you enjoyed it to
• 43:58
  some extent, didn't you? Yeah, I wasn't I wasn't Blown
• 44:02
  Away by it. I think this is a prime example
• 44:06
  of a game where you had to be there.
• 44:09
  Yeah, maybe it's an old game and it's still perfectly functional.
• 44:19
  But it's an old game. I want to see where we put Final
• 44:25
  Fantasy 9 because I think we put Final Fantasy 9 in A or B.
• 44:33
  Final Fantasy, 9 is in beats here.
• 44:35
  Now to me and I know you disagree with this, to me this.
• 44:39
  I enjoyed. I enjoyed Chrono cross more than
• 44:43
  Final Fantasy 9. Yeah.
• 44:45
  But at the same time I don't think it's I don't think it's
• 44:49
  anywhere near a rest here. No no not.
• 44:51
  But I'd be happy if you put it in.
• 44:53
  Be I'm got a problem. Yeah, I'm having to try and take
• 44:57
  my own opinion out of some of these games because I know that
• 45:02
  with some of them like I'd like Witcher 3 like this game.
• 45:05
  They're bigger than my opinion, which sounds ridiculous when
• 45:08
  you're someone that talks about and we don't review games.
• 45:11
  But, you know, we try to be fair, try to factor in every
• 45:15
  part. Every part, I always have got,
• 45:17
  you've got our own opinion. We've got your the other
• 45:20
  person's opinion than we've got the wider opinion as well.
• 45:22
  And yeah, and I know this the fact that this game just isn't
• 45:26
  to my taste same with the Witcher.
• 45:29
  So, yeah, you can put it in Bay if you want.
• 45:31
  I have no qualms think it sits comfortably and be yeah, one.
• 45:35
  Nice little seat. Yeah.
• 45:38
  Okay. Interesting one coming up.
• 45:41
  Super Smash Bros brawl. Yeah we talked about this one at
• 45:47
  the time because my comparison to it is again, Super Smash Bros
• 45:53
  melee and the one that was on the 3DS.
• 45:57
  Oh yeah, you I can't remember what it's a seven or ultimate.
• 46:04
  Now, it's the new one. But there were Super Smash Bros,
• 46:09
  Wii U and 3DS and I played those as well.
• 46:12
  I think he might have just been called, Super Smash Bros Wii U.
• 46:15
  Yeah. Maybe but yeah, brawl brawl was
• 46:20
  Goods. I've always preferred melee.
• 46:22
  I think that functionally, it's a better game for a bit tighter,
• 46:28
  but this is the one that's on the list for some reason against
• 46:32
  melee, and I've got good memories of this game.
• 46:36
  It's got some Characters in there.
• 46:37
  You know you've got the inclusion of Solid Snake.
• 46:39
  You've got Sonic in there. Very cool.
• 46:42
  Yeah, you've got you've got some really good Crossovers and it
• 46:45
  wasn't until the 3DS and Wii U. That you got a few other people
• 46:49
  that are played as more like cloud from Final Fantasy but
• 46:53
  yeah, I'd probably put this in a b-tier personally, I think
• 46:56
  it--yeah decent I think it's decent and I like the the single
• 47:03
  player mode Subspace Emissary. Yeah it was a nice addition that
• 47:06
  would be nice to see. Come back, it was nice to see
• 47:10
  all those characters interact with each other in cutscenes and
• 47:14
  then you had the variety of the Arena's plus, he had some unique
• 47:19
  challenges as well. Yeah, I don't, I don't have very
• 47:22
  strong opinions of this game but yeah, it was all right.
• 47:25
  And for that, it goes in, be think.
• 47:28
  Yeah. No, I think that's fair.
• 47:29
  R, it's good place for it. Okay. next, we have Team
• 47:40
  Fortress 2. This is another one like Metroid
• 47:45
  where the the title does a lot of the legwork for you.
• 47:51
  You know it's got its got a reputation and the problem that
• 47:56
  we have with Team Fortress 2 because of the platforms while
• 47:58
  we played it we didn't get the full experience so it's very
• 48:01
  hard to judge this one and I don't know how we tear it
• 48:06
  because we didn't this is an online team-based shooter and we
• 48:12
  can play on I couldn't play it online.
• 48:14
  So we effectively had a husk of a game that we could play and we
• 48:18
  watched a lot of footage and listen to interviews, Etc, but
• 48:21
  we didn't really get the experience.
• 48:23
  I don't really know how we tear this one.
• 48:26
  What do you think? I mean my gut goes to a see but
• 48:32
  I don't know if that's fair to the game.
• 48:35
  I liked what I saw of it. I like the graphics I like the
• 48:39
  attitude and the style that this game, but we can, we can really,
• 48:45
  you know, it's because of the version that we chose, it was
• 48:48
  hard. I think, I think it would be
• 48:50
  fair if we did have a section, which will be very, very very,
• 48:54
  very empty mostly of games that we can't hear.
• 48:59
  And I think this has to be one of them because I don't, I don't
• 49:01
  want to give it a see. I don't want to give it a d
• 49:04
  because we didn't really get to experience it, but it's a
• 49:08
  kitten. Walk.
• 49:08
  No, no. I'm gonna, I'm gonna rally
• 49:11
  against that because the only reason I am is for a very simple
• 49:14
  reason. I mean we're doing it for fun.
• 49:18
  Really and who cares? If we put it the wrong tear, its
• 49:25
  they're just opinions. And I know I know it's nice to
• 49:28
  be completely objective but we're always we're always going
• 49:31
  to have our opinions in there. So I think we should settle on a
• 49:34
  tear even if it's not I mean even if we just stick it in the
• 49:39
  middle, I'd personally. Then I'd probably push for D
• 49:42
  because I don't think we got the experience which might feel
• 49:45
  unfair on the game but But I can't really talk on.
• 49:49
  Can we can we can certainly include that caveat.
• 49:51
  Yeah yeah. Yeah.
• 49:52
  It goes and D but with a very large caveat.
• 49:55
  Yeah. Let me just find the icon s St.
• 49:58
  R. But with a caveat list above all
• 50:01
  the other. Yes.
• 50:02
  You have noticed here titled, you know we don't Okay.
• 50:10
  Oh, this is gonna be fun. Metal Gear Solid 5, the phantom
• 50:16
  pain. Now I know that you love this
• 50:18
  game just for the reason the cutscene with skull face and
• 50:22
  snakes at an America that jeep where they're just cool that
• 50:24
  cutscene an interactive cutscene with a woman singing and I'm
• 50:28
  just staring at each other, the most awkward thing.
• 50:33
  But what going back and playing the phantom pain, this time we
• 50:37
  mixed it with ground Zeroes as well because it really it's a
• 50:40
  package, isn't it? And I liked it a lot more than I
• 50:43
  did before and I remember at the time I played a lot of it and I
• 50:48
  didn't hate it, but I couldn't really.
• 50:50
  It didn't feel like a metal gear game to me and it still doesn't
• 50:53
  really but no, I think that it's hard to argue that.
• 50:59
  This isn't probably one of the very best stealth Action games
• 51:03
  that you can get because it is so open to how you play.
• 51:08
  And, you know, we've got a couple of Of MGS games.
• 51:12
  I think two of them are in the asked here from from our last
• 51:16
  ranking. I'm just 3 and mgs1.
• 51:18
  You also have, I think it's MGS 2.
• 51:21
  Mm BT! Mhm.
• 51:23
  I Just for the game itself, I put this game in an A, but it's
• 51:30
  dragged down by the fact that it's part of the metal gear
• 51:33
  universe. But as just a game, I think that
• 51:36
  it deserves to be in a tear and to be fair I prefer playing this
• 51:39
  game to ingest too. But I realize that there's
• 51:43
  probably some push back against that.
• 51:46
  As well, as the fact, we also have to discuss mgs4 on this
• 51:49
  side of the list. We do.
• 51:55
  And yes, five. What is a game?
• 52:02
  I felt the gamut of emotions playing there are points when
• 52:07
  you're playing that game. Where you thinking, okay?
• 52:14
  This is the new MGS game that I wanted and then there are points
• 52:19
  in that game where you're you're replaying an area.
• 52:23
  That was really cool. The first time that you played
• 52:25
  it I either mansion in Africa. And the third or fourth time,
• 52:31
  you're in that Bloody mansion. You thinking this is just
• 52:37
  tedious, you want more of the hospital in Cyprus, don't you
• 52:40
  from the start of the game rather than yeah?
• 52:43
  And there's some absolutely brilliant bits in there.
• 52:45
  There's a bit where you infiltrate, the hospital in the
• 52:47
  mountains and you fight. Blame guy.
• 52:50
  Yeah, man on fire Volga. Yeah.
• 52:55
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so yeah, that's a great
• 52:57
  bit and To me, this is a game of Epic Peaks and epic troughs and
• 53:08
  it and it when it lands in those troughs, it falls hard.
• 53:11
  Yeah and when it when it's at those Peaks, it flies High.
• 53:17
  And it's very hard to discuss because I agree with you.
• 53:20
  It's a, it can be in the right moment with the right set up a
• 53:27
  blissful, stealth experience. And it can also not be those
• 53:33
  things. It's incredibly padded.
• 53:37
  It is missing story. Ending be there.
• 53:42
  Yeah, it's I mean, I know there are people that say there is not
• 53:45
  I'm finished. I would I would rally against
• 53:48
  that. I think it is unfinished and
• 53:53
  There are just times where I was wasting time.
• 53:57
  Literally waiting for time to pass running around that stupid
• 54:00
  bass. And I was questioning my life.
• 54:04
  And I was thinking, this is really one of the most tedious
• 54:07
  experiences out there. Yeah.
• 54:08
  It's, it's so many things and It makes you think to begin with.
• 54:17
  That it's going to be the game that you want it to be, and then
• 54:19
  it's just not and then it will get back there for flashes and
• 54:23
  then it's just not and then you play all the bits.
• 54:26
  And as you know, this was my first time completing it, you
• 54:29
  play all the bits to gets that final. cutscene, and Was it all
• 54:37
  worth it? I feel like that single
• 54:40
  playthrough of mgs5 that full playthrough that I had was
• 54:44
  enough for me to never go near it again.
• 54:48
  I feel like I felt all that I was going to feel for that game
• 54:52
  and whereas the other games I want to go back and experience
• 54:56
  those moments again even to which we settled on Abby and I
• 55:01
  agree with you. The emmerich swimming section is
• 55:03
  not great and there are definitely some cringe-worthy
• 55:05
  moments in that game and some baffling moments that don't make
• 55:11
  any sense. But I know that I'm going to
• 55:15
  play mgs2 again. Whereas I can't guarantee that
• 55:18
  I'm ever going to play and just five again.
• 55:20
  Hmm. Now, I don't think it belongs
• 55:21
  in, in C or D or anything. But to me a game that has such
• 55:29
  high highs and low lows has to settle in the middle. okay, so
• 55:35
  you think be I think be that's fine.
• 55:39
  I and you know like I say if this if this wasn't a metal gear
• 55:44
  solid game, I think that and all of the that the padding stuff
• 55:49
  wasn't in there. I think like mechanically this
• 55:53
  is the best stealth game that there is out there like the
• 55:56
  options available to you. Everything you do is insane,
• 55:59
  it's absolutely mad. And you know, if you just
• 56:02
  approach somewhere from a completely different direction,
• 56:06
  it totally flipped slips a game on its head and stuff like that,
• 56:09
  and that's what I like about this game.
• 56:12
  But I agree with you that it's padded, it doesn't have an
• 56:15
  ending and that's the problem with it.
• 56:17
  I think that the gameplay makes it an A but like I say the story
• 56:21
  drags it down. So yeah I think you can put it
• 56:23
  in. Be I'd push for a but I'm happy
• 56:26
  to concede that it drops a drops of point because of those issues
• 56:30
  that you mentioned. I think I said in the episode
• 56:34
  that if you had finished after chapter 1, I would have been
• 56:37
  happy with that. Yeah.
• 56:39
  Because that was the point where I was still satisfied.
• 56:43
  Well, in fact, it felt like you've done the final boss as
• 56:45
  well, didn't it? You, you finish.
• 56:47
  You do subtle anthropos. And that's, yeah, yeah.
• 56:50
  I know what you mean? And then and then it just drags
• 56:53
  on for a further 15 20. Yes.
• 56:56
  Quite of nothing with literally story drip fed to you and I feel
• 57:01
  like you're right. If it wasn't him Jess game, we
• 57:03
  wouldn't have had this game that went on for double the length of
• 57:07
  I should have done. Yeah.
• 57:08
  And because it wouldn't have had that baggage.
• 57:11
  Yeah, yeah. I do think for me, it firmly
• 57:15
  belongs in a be and to be honest, when you look at the
• 57:19
  critical reception out there, it's either gushing or people
• 57:25
  hate it. Yeah, so probably sticking it,
• 57:28
  there is in keeping with that as well.
• 57:33
  I will quit at the top of be, though.
• 57:35
  That's for What number are we on now?
• 57:39
  We are on. Number 18, excellent.
• 57:48
  The Legend of Zelda collector's edition is similar isn't.
• 57:55
  It's a Mario 3 and we mentioned when we did these games.
• 58:01
  So because Zelda Collectors Edition, for anyone, that didn't
• 58:04
  listen to the episode is Zelda, 1 and Zelda 2.
• 58:09
  It isn't three of them as it lasts its soda one, the actual,
• 58:14
  the whole collector's edition Although we will be excluding
• 58:17
  some titles when we discuss it because we have to the whole
• 58:21
  collector's edition is 12 Ocarina and Majora's, okay?
• 58:24
  But since we've discussed those games separately, we're not
• 58:27
  going to discuss the know. So so the way that we did this
• 58:30
  was you played Zelda 1 and I played Zelda 2 and Zelda 1 is
• 58:38
  the oldest game that we've covered on the list.
• 58:40
  I think Zelda, one came out in 1987, five or six, maybe when
• 58:48
  did the any. I think the NES came out in 85?
• 58:53
  Yeah, it mid-eighties maybe 87, you might be right.
• 58:57
  But yeah. These are the oldest games in
• 58:59
  the lists with. So discussing them came with a
• 59:01
  massive caveat, because if you're comparing Zelda, 1/2
• 59:06
  Uncharted 2, You know that they're 30 30 years apart you
• 59:12
  know it you can't you can't compare them and I think if
• 59:18
  we're talking about the Zelda collection as a whole, You've
• 59:22
  got two of the very best games ever and they're occurring over
• 59:25
  time which rated the best game of all time and Majora's Mask,
• 59:29
  which again rated highly and is in RS, tier list and is arguably
• 59:35
  your favorite game of all time. So Zelda 1 and 2 the 36 in Japan
• 59:43
  and I think 67 elsewhere. So If very hard to talk about
• 59:49
  these games and I think we did our best with them.
• 59:52
  But let's let's count it, though.
• 59:56
  As something that also includes Ocarina of Time and Majora's
• 1:00:00
  Mask. So I think that's only fair
• 1:00:01
  because otherwise, we're going to say DT or aren't when I don't
• 1:00:04
  think that's a fair ranking for it.
• 1:00:06
  So, maybe a seeds here, maybe because you have to consider
• 1:00:11
  what these get were. And the fact, the fact is you're
• 1:00:13
  right, he's an 86 title, solder to was a couple of years later.
• 1:00:17
  And These games came out quite literally before both of us were
• 1:00:22
  born yet, these games were out there being enjoyed by people.
• 1:00:26
  These are the hardest games in a way to discuss out of all of
• 1:00:31
  them. Yeah.
• 1:00:32
  Because how can you possibly Place yourself to a year before
• 1:00:36
  you were born? We don't have any context of
• 1:00:38
  when these games are released. We've heard about it.
• 1:00:41
  We know about the history of these games.
• 1:00:42
  We know about the history of consoles, but to place yourself
• 1:00:47
  back, the hearts of me. There is an impossible task.
• 1:00:49
  Yeah, I was - 5 years old. Exactly.
• 1:00:54
  And so I would argue against the D just for that reason and I
• 1:00:59
  also don't think we should be considering Ocarina and Majora's
• 1:01:03
  in this because they're already on the list elsewhere as well.
• 1:01:06
  Yeah, first they push it way up but we okay this I'd say yes.
• 1:01:12
  Maybe see them ABC. I would agree on a.
• 1:01:15
  See I was that's where I was thinking.
• 1:01:17
  Very good. See Okay, next Super Mario. 3D
• 1:01:23
  World. Your favorite 3D Mario game, 3D
• 1:01:26
  World a little bit. See this was I mean, I had to be
• 1:01:31
  fair, he's still my favorite Mario 3D World.
• 1:01:33
  I did enjoy Odyssey, but this one still wins for me, I think
• 1:01:37
  that everything about this game is excellent.
• 1:01:40
  I think that the graphics still Pop.
• 1:01:42
  I think that the music is really stand out.
• 1:01:45
  I think that the worlds are really well designed, I think
• 1:01:49
  that the power Ups are good for me.
• 1:01:51
  I put 3D world as an 80-year, okay.
• 1:01:57
  Okay. I just think that comparatively
• 1:02:00
  to Galaxy one Galaxy to 64. Obviously, we haven't played
• 1:02:04
  Sunshine for the list but I think that this is the standout
• 1:02:07
  amongst all of those games. Fair enough.
• 1:02:11
  What I I I've completed this game twice now and I've really
• 1:02:15
  enjoyed it both times. I think it is a joy to play.
• 1:02:18
  It's not my favorite 3D Mario game, but I think it's a very
• 1:02:22
  strong entry and It's very hard to argue that, it's not fun to
• 1:02:28
  play. It's just, it is fun to play but
• 1:02:30
  then nothing you could say that for all the modern 3D Mario
• 1:02:33
  games, they just play. So well, yeah.
• 1:02:37
  Yeah. I mean I'm I'm happy to go right
• 1:02:40
  here. I know that you you really like
• 1:02:43
  this game and I really quite like this game to.
• 1:02:47
  Yeah. So yeah I will put at the bottom
• 1:02:49
  of a that's fine. Next we have an interesting one,
• 1:02:55
  Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4. It's not as in my opinion.
• 1:03:02
  This this isn't as good as two and three I agree and it isn't
• 1:03:06
  As memorable, which I agree from memory.
• 1:03:09
  I think is why it's a bit lower down on the list, you know, I
• 1:03:13
  agree. So I'd say maybe a CT a perhaps
• 1:03:18
  or where are the other ones on the on our ranking.
• 1:03:23
  Let's have a look. I really enjoyed both two and
• 1:03:27
  three where we played them and we've got both of them in the
• 1:03:32
  beads here, which I mean, I think there's an argument that
• 1:03:35
  could be made that they should. Have.
• 1:03:37
  Well, at least one could have gone in AIDS here.
• 1:03:38
  Even. Yeah, I'd say three should have
• 1:03:40
  got an 80. Yeah.
• 1:03:44
  For for me I had really high hopes for it because I've never
• 1:03:48
  played it before. Yeah.
• 1:03:49
  And the way that it had been painted to me was that fall was
• 1:03:54
  the last in that classic style of Tony Hawk games and it didn't
• 1:04:02
  really live up to that. It got it did away with the sort
• 1:04:08
  of arcade Enos that the older games had.
• 1:04:10
  Therefore it wasn't this Punchy sort of thing, and the
• 1:04:13
  soundtrack wasn't quite as memorable.
• 1:04:15
  And yeah, I don't know. It just to use skater terms.
• 1:04:20
  He didn't quite land for me, something about it, didn't quite
• 1:04:23
  land for me. Nice, little paws bit.
• 1:04:24
  Disappointed because I had High Hopes, so I'd be happy to stick
• 1:04:29
  this in C. I don't think it belongs in the
• 1:04:31
  same as here as two and three, which I did really enjoy.
• 1:04:36
  So yeah, I think it belongs in a sea for me.
• 1:04:38
  Yeah, she's fine with me. See, for me, it's absolutely
• 1:04:43
  great. You are now having a drink.
• 1:04:45
  I hear in the background. Yes.
• 1:04:48
  Between Mario and Tony Hawk with is time for a drink with.
• 1:04:54
  We've taken a little a little break to pour a refreshments and
• 1:04:58
  to have some Comforts in the case of a toilet break, which
• 1:05:05
  you didn't hear because I edited it out, become very good editor.
• 1:05:09
  So I've now poured myself a pint of Guinness.
• 1:05:12
  I'm on my second of these. Quite heavy.
• 1:05:17
  Yes, side is. It's why I only drink cider
• 1:05:21
  sometimes. I love a good slider but yeah,
• 1:05:25
  this these are, I'm slightly feeling it now.
• 1:05:29
  Excellent, only slightly like still slightly coherence.
• 1:05:33
  You can still talk sense. I will still say I will start
• 1:05:36
  slurring, I'm sure very soon Excellence.
• 1:05:40
  We've got okay this is an interesting one, Grand Theft
• 1:05:45
  Auto Vice City. S And I know that you and me,
• 1:05:53
  you and me kind of have not opposite views, but I think the
• 1:05:59
  vice city is the better one from the 3D Trilogy, because, three
• 1:06:04
  GTA3, Vice City in San Andreas, although, they're part of the
• 1:06:07
  same Trilogy, and they're on the same console.
• 1:06:09
  I kind of have GTA 3 on its own GTA 3, as a bit of a, reminder,
• 1:06:15
  for everyone. I'm pretty sure that line,
• 1:06:18
  didn't they? Yeah like that game.
• 1:06:20
  Hasn't aged well. Oh, no, to be fair.
• 1:06:23
  It's in C, we weren't so harsh. Okay, fair enough.
• 1:06:26
  But still, yeah, Vice City is vice.
• 1:06:31
  City is my game and San Andreas is your game and correct.
• 1:06:35
  So wherever they land, they probably should land together
• 1:06:38
  just to. Yeah.
• 1:06:40
  And we were somewhat cursed in the fact that we both played San
• 1:06:46
  Andreas. And Vice City on the HD,
• 1:06:49
  Trilogy, that came out, which particularly at the time she
• 1:06:53
  played the original version of San Andreas by did play, Vice
• 1:06:56
  City on, Yes, HD version and I mean, those aren't good ports.
• 1:07:00
  And particularly at the time on release, which is, when we did
• 1:07:02
  Vice City, it wasn't good. And you played on the switch was
• 1:07:06
  a, which was a particularly bad Port.
• 1:07:09
  It was okay for Vice City. But yeah, I've heard for the
• 1:07:11
  other games, it was San Andreas has particular Oak and terrible.
• 1:07:15
  Yeah. But yeah, I I think that Vice
• 1:07:21
  City is an exit. I think I'm going to, I'm going
• 1:07:23
  to be controversial here. And it's not it's not against by
• 1:07:27
  City or San Andreas. I do think they'll land
• 1:07:29
  together. I don't think they belong in St.
• 1:07:32
  It anymore. I think they did.
• 1:07:34
  I would I would, I would sit them in a to you because I, you
• 1:07:39
  know, I've got a lot of history of San Andreas, and I love that
• 1:07:42
  game. And I love this hard because
• 1:07:47
  I've got to separate your memories and talk about things
• 1:07:52
  rationally. My my gut says my match.
• 1:07:55
  My memory say that I would love to stick San Andreas and St
• 1:07:59
  because the experience when I first played it was, it was
• 1:08:04
  unlike anything else. And I think there are still
• 1:08:07
  flashes of that when you play that game.
• 1:08:10
  But it's not, these games, haven't aged particularly well.
• 1:08:14
  And to me, that knocks them down a peg.
• 1:08:16
  It's not to say, they're not still great games, but they're
• 1:08:18
  not Str anymore for me when we look at our St from the previous
• 1:08:24
  list, I think we need to hold our hotels to those high
• 1:08:28
  standards. Hmm.
• 1:08:29
  Okay. I I get where you're coming from
• 1:08:34
  and, you know, looking at Vice City, Mechanically, it isn't as
• 1:08:40
  ahead San Andreas, Andreas added a lot of quality of life things.
• 1:08:44
  Like the ability to swim the ability to climb over things
• 1:08:48
  stuff like that. As well as a load of other
• 1:08:50
  weapons, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:08:51
  And a bigger world. But Vice City for me, holds a
• 1:08:54
  much greater. Probably nostalgic Button as
• 1:08:58
  well as the fact. I just think the the era that it
• 1:09:01
  set the location. It sets the music from that game
• 1:09:06
  are just top quality, but But I can understand where you're
• 1:09:09
  coming from. And I think I probably agree
• 1:09:11
  being objective about it that they are more suited to a than
• 1:09:17
  2s. There are a couple of games.
• 1:09:21
  Yeah. And you know, there are a couple
• 1:09:23
  of games on this, this side of the stuff that we're discussing
• 1:09:27
  that, I know I will argue for a nest here for, but I think
• 1:09:30
  you're probably right that the Vice City and San Andreas
• 1:09:33
  probably both deserve an A but we'll discuss San Andreas.
• 1:09:35
  It a little bit when we get there.
• 1:09:37
  I imagine. Yeah I like salmon I liked Vice
• 1:09:40
  City. I think it has got a phenomenal
• 1:09:42
  phenomenal soundtrack. I think the color scheme is
• 1:09:44
  yeah. Still very Punchy and Although I
• 1:09:49
  would love for them to go back to full San Andreas in a new
• 1:09:52
  game. I'm also looking forward to them
• 1:09:54
  going back to Vice City. I also think it has its
• 1:09:57
  drawbacks. I mean, some of the humor in
• 1:09:59
  Vice City, makes me want to throw up.
• 1:10:02
  Yeah there. Yeah, some of the stuff he's and
• 1:10:06
  there's and San Andreas has that as well.
• 1:10:09
  So it's not isolated device, it's not quite I will put them
• 1:10:14
  at the top of a. Okay, that's fair.
• 1:10:16
  I'll put by city at the top of a for now and then we get sin and
• 1:10:19
  dress that will also with the caveat that probably they're
• 1:10:22
  both going to sit equally. Because as we said before,
• 1:10:25
  they're both each of our favorite.
• 1:10:28
  Yes, ocean. Okay, next.
• 1:10:34
  Sid, Meier's, Civilization, 2D. It goes in the same place as
• 1:10:40
  sieve sieve for again, any memories.
• 1:10:45
  Not really just that it didn't look as good as sieve for.
• 1:10:48
  Uh-huh. I do remember this one more
• 1:10:51
  clearly than is this the one that we played through the
• 1:10:53
  browser is thoughts of. This is a bit of an indictment
• 1:10:57
  of Sue for because it somehow I remember save two more.
• 1:10:59
  Yes, but nice. It's the same as Sir for just
• 1:11:04
  less. Although I do think C4 is
• 1:11:07
  better. Modern yeah.
• 1:11:08
  C4 is better. But now I think they both
• 1:11:09
  deserve to be in D. We kind of covered that with C4.
• 1:11:14
  okay, no arguments No arguments no voice.
• 1:11:20
  Nope. Okay.
• 1:11:25
  That sounds said it all NCAA football 2004 D.
• 1:11:31
  Again, I mean, to be fair, although we have, this is this,
• 1:11:35
  is this, the one that I didn't play?
• 1:11:38
  This is as if this was just on Dreamcast, wasn't it?
• 1:11:42
  No. This is not that one.
• 1:11:44
  This is the one that is American only, both were American only.
• 1:11:48
  This is not the Dreamcast one though.
• 1:11:50
  I know what one you're thinking of okay college football one
• 1:11:54
  which is basically really you played this one but I didn't,
• 1:11:57
  didn't you? I think he paid a little bit
• 1:12:01
  more to get to just why we did the Madden games.
• 1:12:03
  I did two of the Madden games and you did this and then Madden
• 1:12:06
  to K for some. No, no.
• 1:12:08
  It's, this is the one that we did.
• 1:12:10
  We did along. You remember the Dreamcast was.
• 1:12:12
  Yeah, and that's why. Today we did an episode fairly
• 1:12:15
  recently where we are. Oh yeah, it's NFL 2K 1 now,
• 1:12:20
  they're both curious because they were only released in
• 1:12:23
  America in American regions. So it wasn't easy to play, but
• 1:12:29
  we did. Well, I did play it and to me
• 1:12:32
  this was Madden 2004 except with a college line.
• 1:12:38
  Yeah. And I don't really know how else
• 1:12:43
  to describe it. It felt exactly the same except
• 1:12:46
  with a college lineup. So put it along the other Madden
• 1:12:50
  games that we've done so far then because they are all pretty
• 1:12:52
  much. Yeah.
• 1:12:53
  The same thing and I would still put tooth Madden 2004 above it.
• 1:12:59
  Only. Yes.
• 1:13:00
  I am. More familiar with those those
• 1:13:03
  teams, whereas, fine. N-c-double-a, I'm not so
• 1:13:06
  familiar with them. Yeah, of course, it was.
• 1:13:10
  Okay, quick and easy queasy Gran Turismo 2.
• 1:13:20
  I'd probably put it. Got a lot of Gran Turismo.
• 1:13:22
  Yeah, we did GT1, didn't we on the first half of the list?
• 1:13:26
  I've got two on this side of the link and I'd put this maybe in a
• 1:13:31
  be low, be maybe what your memories of this from the time.
• 1:13:37
  I don't you play this, didn't you?
• 1:13:39
  I'm like no, no, no. I played Gran Turismo one time.
• 1:13:43
  So this was a new one to me. But going to this game, what did
• 1:13:49
  we? What did we rank GT?
• 1:13:53
  Let's have a look. Yeah that would be that would be
• 1:13:54
  interesting to see. I think we might have put that
• 1:13:56
  in a see perhaps. That's why it's interesting to
• 1:14:01
  have that original list because yeah, some benchmarks.
• 1:14:06
  Yeah, we put Gran Turismo in a see ya.
• 1:14:11
  I would because Gran Turismo and Gran Turismo 2 relatively
• 1:14:16
  similar. And I don't, I think Gran
• 1:14:19
  Turismo 2 was also on the PS1 from memory.
• 1:14:23
  So there isn't too much, there isn't too much different with
• 1:14:27
  them so I'd probably say that. Two would go alongside GT and
• 1:14:32
  then maybe when we get to GT3 that could possibly be a little
• 1:14:35
  bit higher. Okay, but I'd put it alongside
• 1:14:39
  Gran Turismo 1 The only thing I remember about Gran Turismo 2
• 1:14:43
  was that they had an Aston Martin, very nice, Aston Martin.
• 1:14:48
  And I remember the thought that I had which was I would love to
• 1:14:54
  be able to play this game for an extensive amount of time have
• 1:14:58
  the money to buy this car. But there's no way I'm doing it
• 1:15:01
  now. Just was my final just play,
• 1:15:03
  just play 007 racing. Then you can drive the DB5 oil,
• 1:15:07
  one game. Have you played that?
• 1:15:09
  I have remember phone. I was in high school today, it's
• 1:15:12
  horrific. Yeah, wasn't good, was it not
• 1:15:15
  good game anyway, we're not here to discuss, Bad Games next is So
• 1:15:26
  I've got the list in front of me and I'm always looking through
• 1:15:30
  trying to find the last game that we've just done.
• 1:15:32
  Okay, God of War Two, I probably before we start before, before
• 1:15:38
  we comment on God of War 2, let's see where we put God of
• 1:15:40
  War One. I reckon we put it as a bee.
• 1:15:56
  Oh yeah, we did. We did we put it as a be
• 1:15:58
  correct? Yeah, I got got of wanted to a
• 1:16:02
  quite similar, you know, I Bartley personally prefer God of
• 1:16:07
  War Two. I don't remember the
• 1:16:10
  differences. Well, enough.
• 1:16:13
  Other than the fact, obviously you're already the God of War
• 1:16:16
  now and you from memory with God of War 2, Zeus Zeus mugs you
• 1:16:22
  off, doesn't he? And then the rest of the game is
• 1:16:25
  you trying to get back to to get revenge on him.
• 1:16:28
  He takes all your powers Away by a trick or something, doesn't
• 1:16:30
  he? So I'll give you some snapshots,
• 1:16:34
  did this had the Colossus of Rhodes in, didn't it?
• 1:16:37
  Got a war to did had the cross of roads ahead that to me that
• 1:16:41
  wonderful opening with the costs of, right?
• 1:16:42
  Yes, I really like it. It had the E spend a long time
• 1:16:50
  out in. I don't know how to describe it,
• 1:16:52
  but out at Sea, and you've got the four horses and you're
• 1:16:55
  trying to, it's dungeon so to speak.
• 1:16:58
  You had a dungeon in God of War one, and you have a dungeon in
• 1:17:01
  God of water. Yeah.
• 1:17:02
  Yes. Was kind of being able to
• 1:17:05
  manipulate the horses so they start to move.
• 1:17:08
  Oh yeah, I remember I remember. I wonder.
• 1:17:10
  It was in. That was in hell, wasn't it?
• 1:17:15
  I don't think it wasn't how I think it was.
• 1:17:17
  Where the sirens were? I might be blaring.
• 1:17:23
  Yeah, I can't remember. I have played all four of the
• 1:17:26
  Year, pre God of War 2018 games. So there's some sometimes they
• 1:17:31
  do play together but yeah, it definitely had the horses.
• 1:17:33
  I don't think God of War 2 is sta, by any means.
• 1:17:37
  I really don't. I do think it's, this is the
• 1:17:42
  game. If you remember the
• 1:17:43
  conversation, we had around this game.
• 1:17:44
  This is the game. I'm the genuinely looked like a
• 1:17:48
  PS3 title on the PS2. I was shocked when I first saw
• 1:17:53
  this game as to how good it looked and to me of the original
• 1:18:01
  god of war. And I do think you can separate
• 1:18:04
  the God of War games because they're quite different now of
• 1:18:06
  the original God of War 4 games, not including the possible
• 1:18:11
  titles to me. This is the best one as to how
• 1:18:17
  it lands. I don't know because I'm not
• 1:18:19
  even close to saying it's one of my favorite games ever but I do
• 1:18:22
  think it's a great game now to be honest It all depends on your
• 1:18:31
  thoughts on it as to where I'll go with it.
• 1:18:35
  I will be, I'll be open with this one.
• 1:18:37
  I'd probably put it because I don't think that this game is as
• 1:18:40
  good as God as well. 28 got of or 2018, but I'm also aware that
• 1:18:43
  they're very different games. You know, the the original God
• 1:18:48
  of War games are that they're kind of like arcade arcade
• 1:18:53
  Brawlers. Aren't they spied by a DMC?
• 1:18:55
  Yeah, but I would probably, I don't think I could put it
• 1:18:58
  alongside God of War 2018. So I would say that this goes
• 1:19:02
  alongside God of War because I didn't dislike Like, I didn't
• 1:19:07
  dislike got a whore too, but I struggle to remember that the
• 1:19:12
  differences between god of war and God of War 2.
• 1:19:15
  Yeah, I get that. So I probably push for a, for a
• 1:19:18
  be on God. I also I will go with that.
• 1:19:21
  I will settle for a high, be a gentleman's be Yeah, I would
• 1:19:27
  settle for a high be lovely on to the next.
• 1:19:31
  Yes this was an interesting one and I do have memories of this
• 1:19:36
  Diablo. Yeah.
• 1:19:40
  Diablo Baldur's Gate StarCraft II kind of will put them in the
• 1:19:46
  same category and I thought Diablo was okay but I liked that
• 1:19:52
  you liked it more than I did here.
• 1:19:54
  Blow I loved one thing I loved about it was the atmosphere.
• 1:20:00
  It had very, very thick atmosphere from the get-go.
• 1:20:03
  Did you were dumped in this town and it was just Bleak as hell.
• 1:20:12
  Yeah, so to me, that, that automatically raises it up above
• 1:20:16
  a d, but I don't think it's a be either.
• 1:20:22
  I don't want to put it in C because of everything else
• 1:20:25
  that's in there. Like, I didn't really think much
• 1:20:27
  of this game. But again, I can understand why
• 1:20:30
  you would want to put this above.
• 1:20:33
  Above civilization, we've got in.
• 1:20:35
  Yeah, we've got Indy, we've got civilization to civilization for
• 1:20:40
  and Team Fortress as a sort of outline.
• 1:20:43
  Yeah. And to me, I just, I'm not going
• 1:20:48
  to say I wasn't close to loving this game but the atmosphere was
• 1:20:52
  thick and, yeah, that's fair. I think the problem that we've
• 1:20:58
  got is that our seats here and it was the same when we did it.
• 1:21:01
  Last time is RCT race. Very much kind of like don't
• 1:21:05
  really know. That's pop it in some Dumping
• 1:21:06
  Ground isn't? Yeah, and I would, if your
• 1:21:10
  feelings we could we could we can have a look over our seats
• 1:21:13
  here. Now if you want, and we can say,
• 1:21:14
  whether any can move down to the, yeah, go on.
• 1:21:17
  All right so we've got Super Mario 3.
• 1:21:20
  Yeah Super Mario but certainly that it's called Street Fighter
• 1:21:24
  4, uh-huh. Virtua Fighter 4.
• 1:21:28
  Uh-huh. Street Fighter, 3, Alpha C.
• 1:21:32
  I think that can move down that. Yeah, there.
• 1:21:35
  There needs to be a fighting game on the Deeds.
• 1:21:36
  Yep. Yeah.
• 1:21:37
  Move that down. That's fine.
• 1:21:40
  Baldur's Gate 2, which I think should stay there.
• 1:21:42
  I disagree, but I will stand down.
• 1:21:46
  We do have three NFL games sitting on the seats here and I
• 1:21:50
  think we could probably shift one down.
• 1:21:52
  All right, we've got Madden, 2004 NCAA 2004 and then 2003, I3
• 1:21:57
  goes down one point. Okay.
• 1:22:02
  Zelda, collector's edition, where keep?
• 1:22:03
  Yeah, we can't move that. Pro Skater 4, it's not known to
• 1:22:10
  me. And Gran Turismo 2.
• 1:22:13
  Yeah, that's fine. Their wine on, C2 belongs on
• 1:22:17
  scene. Oh great.
• 1:22:18
  And that's it for C so okay. Yeah yeah you can put down below
• 1:22:21
  and three I will accept it. Graciously well that's good
• 1:22:26
  because I don't think we actually amended our list last
• 1:22:28
  time. We said we would but we never
• 1:22:30
  did. So it's quite it's quite good to
• 1:22:32
  go back and reassess. although it is going at the bottom of the
• 1:22:36
  sea, quite If I can get it, if you can get it to do that.
• 1:22:41
  It's now staying there. All right.
• 1:22:46
  All right, so I had a few issues, putting together the
• 1:22:49
  tier list and there were two games that I couldn't get the
• 1:22:53
  photos on there. So these two games, I will try
• 1:22:56
  to add later when I when I mess around with it later.
• 1:22:59
  So we'll see. But I will have to note down
• 1:23:01
  what the tears are for them when we decide them.
• 1:23:04
  So the first is, Gears of War. Yeah, I literally as you were
• 1:23:14
  talking about Diablo, then I was just kind of scrolling through
• 1:23:16
  to see what other games we had to, in this side of the lesson,
• 1:23:18
  I'd opened on Gears of War and I remember talking, there are two
• 1:23:25
  people that I know that love this game.
• 1:23:28
  One of them is one of my colleagues at work does and then
• 1:23:32
  the other is a girl that I used to see and both of them love
• 1:23:36
  this game. And, you know, they they both
• 1:23:41
  said to me. Oh, when you do Gears of War,
• 1:23:42
  let me listen to it. And I was like, okay, and I sent
• 1:23:44
  them the link after we've done. I said, I don't think that
• 1:23:46
  you're going to particularly agree with what I said on this
• 1:23:48
  game because I just thought I just thought it I say on this
• 1:23:51
  game because I like I think you, I think you liked this game for
• 1:23:57
  me. It was one of those ones I
• 1:24:00
  wasn't there when it came out. I remember seeing a guy that
• 1:24:03
  went to college with play a bit but it just it just felt like a
• 1:24:07
  And over the shoulder. Third person shooter that was
• 1:24:09
  overrated and although I will, I will check this in there.
• 1:24:15
  It was one of the, it was the first person of the third-person
• 1:24:20
  over-the-shoulder shooter as you say that every other game limit.
• 1:24:25
  Yeah, yeah about a decade afterwards.
• 1:24:28
  But well, I'd argue with that though, because I because it is
• 1:24:34
  quite tank. Like, isn't it?
• 1:24:36
  The Rosewood Gears of War, in terms of character movement, how
• 1:24:40
  close the camera is. And I would argue you're going
• 1:24:43
  to say Resident Evil. I'd say Resident, Evil 4.
• 1:24:46
  Yeah, I get what you're saying. So, so the way I see it is
• 1:24:52
  without Resident Evil 4, you wouldn't have Gears of War, but
• 1:24:54
  without Gears of War, you wouldn't have all the yeah.
• 1:24:58
  I, I know that we just said, oh, we need stop dumping games and
• 1:25:02
  see, but this wasn't a bad game. I don't think it's a be, and I
• 1:25:06
  don't think we can. We an say that it's a day there.
• 1:25:08
  So I'd probably push for D, but if you wanted to push for a low
• 1:25:13
  B, I could probably accept it. See to me.
• 1:25:16
  This game is a game that screams Abby and I tell you what, I'll
• 1:25:21
  sell me for why I completed this game maybe three or four times
• 1:25:25
  now. Yeah, and this game is best
• 1:25:29
  played in Coop. The the most recent time we
• 1:25:32
  played at your record that I made it with my girl few did she
• 1:25:34
  enjoyed it? So and it's just entertaining
• 1:25:43
  looking at some of the games in see I can safely say that I
• 1:25:48
  didn't really enjoy them. Whereas I really did enjoy Gears
• 1:25:52
  of War and I will play Gears of War again, and I will play
• 1:25:56
  through the series again. I don't think it belongs on a RS
• 1:26:01
  but it's just a solid good time. And when you considering when
• 1:26:07
  you factor in that, it did influence a bunch of other
• 1:26:11
  games, there are a bunch of other smaller games that
• 1:26:14
  literally Movement for movement, mimics Gears of War.
• 1:26:18
  This is the game that introduced cover shooting to a lot of
• 1:26:22
  people. This is the game that introduced
• 1:26:24
  the Gilly run, so a lot of people and then you have the
• 1:26:29
  bloody changes or and yeah, the chainsaw is just a thing of
• 1:26:33
  beauty. I think it's in be, I'll accept
• 1:26:36
  it. Okay, I'm going to stick it in
• 1:26:39
  Bay. I have exact constantly into my
• 1:26:41
  life because I will stick it in be on my notepad for the to.
• 1:26:45
  Yes, of course. You need to I didn't like that.
• 1:26:47
  Yes, correct. Okay.
• 1:26:49
  Next game, which is also one that I could not get to work.
• 1:26:53
  Only, the only other one. From what I saw is this is going
• 1:26:58
  to be interesting. I think Ninja Gaiden black
• 1:27:02
  First, I want to ask you, what do you remember of this game?
• 1:27:05
  It's quite hard and quite frustrating.
• 1:27:09
  I it's a weird one, isn't it? Because it's very much like a
• 1:27:16
  ancient Japanese Samurai but then you're going into like
• 1:27:19
  these massive industrial areas, fight a robot runs and robots
• 1:27:23
  and stuff is really weird. Yeah.
• 1:27:25
  Thanks and yeah, I remember this game being hard.
• 1:27:29
  It is Rock Solid and and it didn't stand out to me at all.
• 1:27:35
  Like at all, I didn't really enjoy it.
• 1:27:37
  Remember what I said about this game know?
• 1:27:40
  I said, In terms of the movements and the controls of
• 1:27:46
  this game and feeling like a ninja, they nailed it, it feels
• 1:27:52
  so good, that's who actually physically interact with that
• 1:27:57
  controller. However, some of the stuff
• 1:28:01
  around it gets tedious, they nailed the feeling of playing as
• 1:28:06
  a ninja But they didn't always stick The Landing with the
• 1:28:10
  environments and the levels and it does get frustrating at
• 1:28:12
  times. I would agree with that.
• 1:28:16
  But also be honest, I think it's Addie I was gonna go for see.
• 1:28:23
  Mmm. So there is as good.
• 1:28:24
  Yeah. So I do enjoy this game of
• 1:28:26
  completed a couple of times now and I know I'll see he's getting
• 1:28:29
  a bit and we can go back and reassess that later.
• 1:28:34
  But yeah, I I think it's a sea, but Just looking at, we've got
• 1:28:43
  what we've got Indy. I think it's above those games
• 1:28:45
  but the same time. I'm not going to argue that.
• 1:28:47
  It's a be okay, goal of see. Okay.
• 1:28:54
  Okay, I was looking for a gown, the icons and obviously it ain't
• 1:28:57
  there. All right.
• 1:29:03
  Now, back to the actual tears and the icons that we've got,
• 1:29:06
  let me just check the old recording is running smoothly
• 1:29:09
  and it is, that's good. Good to see good to hear.
• 1:29:14
  alright, next, well, if we got Oh dear, oh no.
• 1:29:23
  BioShock Infinite. I like this game.
• 1:29:26
  I think it's all right, I know that you don't like it as much
• 1:29:30
  as the other Bioshock games and we haven't played BioShock 2 for
• 1:29:33
  the list. But I know that that's that's up
• 1:29:34
  there for you as well. Although I will, I will draw
• 1:29:38
  your mind back to your experience plate because I know
• 1:29:41
  that you're originally really enjoyed this game.
• 1:29:42
  Yeah. So, what was your experience?
• 1:29:45
  The second time I remember, was it You you said to me and we
• 1:29:52
  talked about in the episode that it you had to, you had really
• 1:29:57
  enjoyed it the first time but the second time it didn't quite
• 1:30:01
  land for you. There's a lot of a lot of rinse
• 1:30:07
  and repeat with him for not. There is it's very repetitive,
• 1:30:11
  that's my problem. I think the thing I like the
• 1:30:13
  most about it. I think I like the weapons but I
• 1:30:16
  also think I like the relationship between Booker and
• 1:30:19
  Elizabeth and that's something that I appreciated over the
• 1:30:25
  stuff from Bioshock 1 and I think Bioshock 1 had kind of
• 1:30:28
  been ruined for me and there was no way to avoid it because
• 1:30:32
  everyone knows the Twisted. Bioshock 1.
• 1:30:34
  Would you kindly? Lee, you know, you know, servant
• 1:30:38
  listens or whatever A Slave obeys or whatever the quote is
• 1:30:42
  and BioShock Infinite. Feels very different to
• 1:30:49
  Bioshock. Not you know, not mechanically.
• 1:30:52
  It is a similar game but it's just a completely different
• 1:30:56
  vibe. And obviously Rapture is under
• 1:30:59
  the sea, where is Colombia is up in the air and it's it's this
• 1:31:03
  incredible. You know, turn of the century US
• 1:31:08
  state that seceded from America and I think it's the environment
• 1:31:12
  and the fear of BioShock Infinite that I enjoyed over the
• 1:31:17
  gameplay or anything else. And, you know, I do very much
• 1:31:21
  like Complicated but I think the story's all right in this game,
• 1:31:25
  you know the fact that Booker is Comstock and he's gone back in
• 1:31:29
  time from those twins, it's complex, but I think it's
• 1:31:33
  interesting. So I put I personally would put
• 1:31:37
  this game in Abby and I'm guessing.
• 1:31:40
  I haven't got the old tier list in front of me.
• 1:31:42
  I'm guessing that we put Bioshock in in a last time now.
• 1:31:46
  I think we'll be okay, I'd put it on the same level as Bioshock
• 1:31:50
  personally. So yeah, we went for a be with
• 1:31:55
  Bioshock. I would argue for a d.
• 1:31:59
  Now, D terms of, in terms of gameplay, I don't think this
• 1:32:02
  game deserves to be ready when it's least.
• 1:32:04
  I think this game. This was the thing that I think
• 1:32:08
  you realize paying at the second time playing this game is
• 1:32:12
  cumbersome. It's not enjoyable to play in
• 1:32:14
  terms of the Gunplay. It's, it's certainly not fluid.
• 1:32:18
  Like many other first-person shooters are.
• 1:32:20
  It's very clunky and Like, attaching and detaching from the
• 1:32:26
  the what they called the sky rails roller coaster of, right?
• 1:32:30
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it just feels very heavy,
• 1:32:37
  but not in a good way to play. In terms of the story, I think
• 1:32:43
  the art style is great. I do I do the thing that I
• 1:32:47
  didn't like about this game was that.
• 1:32:50
  You've got so many scenes in there, that feel like and we
• 1:32:54
  both re-watch the Matthew mitosis video before recording
• 1:32:58
  this. We so you've got these scenes
• 1:33:02
  that Play out in front of you, you control the character but
• 1:33:07
  you can't interact with them. They're like these moving
• 1:33:10
  marionettes in the background and you watch the children
• 1:33:13
  playing with the Sandy, you watch them build the sand
• 1:33:15
  castle. And then the sand castle falls
• 1:33:17
  down in his great and then they repeat the animation and then
• 1:33:20
  they repeat the animation and then they repeat the animation
• 1:33:24
  and This game is always spoiled by the promise of what it could
• 1:33:29
  have been and then you throw in the clumsy clumsy clumsy
• 1:33:34
  politics that this yeah, tries to tell you that, it's got this
• 1:33:40
  stance on racism or whatever. But it doesn't really, yeah.
• 1:33:44
  Yeah. And You had in the themes, you
• 1:33:48
  add in the fact that the gameplay is functional but
• 1:33:52
  really nothing to shout about and you what to me, what you're
• 1:33:57
  left with is a game with a great art style with some good
• 1:34:00
  moments, that is not a bad game. But, Is it one of the best games
• 1:34:07
  of all time? That's that's the question we're
• 1:34:09
  asking. So I would say personally, I
• 1:34:11
  think is a day but but, but I know you feel more highly than I
• 1:34:16
  do about it. So I'd be happy to stick it in
• 1:34:19
  and see. I see you want to put it in an
• 1:34:23
  ass. That's what I'm hearing.
• 1:34:26
  That's what I'm hearing right now.
• 1:34:29
  But now I think that we can we can agree to disagree on it and
• 1:34:33
  put it in a see. I like, I like this game more
• 1:34:36
  than you and I know that you don't like this game really at
• 1:34:40
  all. Well, it's okay.
• 1:34:43
  It's, did you ever play the DLC know?
• 1:34:46
  And I do plan to do. Yeah, cuz I thought you go back
• 1:34:49
  to Rapture. Don't you?
• 1:34:50
  And I think that's, that's very highly rated.
• 1:34:53
  Yeah. I'll one of the things About the
• 1:34:55
  open critic list when we come to doing that, is it actually
• 1:35:00
  includes expansions and stuff like that?
• 1:35:02
  So we will be playing some expansions as part of the.
• 1:35:04
  I'm not sure if this is one of them, but some of those will get
• 1:35:08
  a bit of a Fighting Chance of their own hopefully.
• 1:35:10
  Yeah. All right.
• 1:35:15
  I'm sticking it in C, lovely. If I can find it.
• 1:35:23
  Bloody, how is it? Oh, there it is.
• 1:35:27
  Right at the end. All right.
• 1:35:28
  Good. Yeah.
• 1:35:29
  Okay. Next, next, Halo, 3, I think
• 1:35:37
  this is a I think this is an 80 again.
• 1:35:41
  I okay. You and me had quite a lot of
• 1:35:44
  fun playing Halo 2 together. We did and I don't think we did
• 1:35:48
  multiplayer Halo 3, did we? I think we did.
• 1:35:51
  I think we did. We Abyss is the one is.
• 1:35:53
  Correct me? If I'm wrong, the Halo the Halo
• 1:35:57
  campaigns. Kind of, they feel like they
• 1:36:00
  roll into one for me. So I might struggle to remember
• 1:36:03
  if I'm wrong. But is this the one at the?
• 1:36:04
  Yes, the last cup. Yes.
• 1:36:05
  He said the car driving warthog. Yeah, we did.
• 1:36:09
  We did have a lot of fun with this actually.
• 1:36:13
  Yeah, I think Halo 3 is an 18 game.
• 1:36:15
  I think it's a very, very good Halo game.
• 1:36:19
  I know that a lot of people prefer to, but you and me, see
• 1:36:23
  where we put the other ones. Yeah, just out of curiosity.
• 1:36:27
  I reckon we probably put a Halo. I recommend that we put Halo and
• 1:36:31
  Abby. I reckon we put Halo and Halo 2
• 1:36:33
  in a b category, I think. I can see Halo one that's in a
• 1:36:40
  bit. Yeah, and Halo 2 is in and out.
• 1:36:43
  Okay. I I die.
• 1:36:45
  I think this game is better than Halo 2, and I think the story's
• 1:36:49
  a bit easier to follow as well, because the story into wasn't
• 1:36:51
  that great. There are some, like, there are
• 1:36:53
  some areas of the campaign that aren't that great.
• 1:36:58
  Like the whole thing with a flood, like it wasn't as bad as
• 1:37:01
  to there was no and it isn't something that we really get to
• 1:37:06
  discuss that. Ian is the multiplayer aspect of
• 1:37:09
  a game and particularly multiplayer together because I
• 1:37:11
  thought you said you played, that was fun.
• 1:37:13
  You play Gears of War with with, with your girlfriend and you
• 1:37:18
  enjoyed that. There's a couch Co-op game, and
• 1:37:21
  it isn't very often that you and me got to play a game together
• 1:37:24
  online because obviously, geographically, me and Dan are
• 1:37:27
  quite far apart. I mean, New Zealand.
• 1:37:31
  You're in New Zealand, Africa. And I am actually living in
• 1:37:35
  Papua New Guinea, so, Yeah, not very stable internet connection
• 1:37:41
  that I have there but you know, I make it work in the jungle
• 1:37:44
  grass, right? But it's rare that we get to
• 1:37:48
  really enjoy a multiplayer game together and like particularly
• 1:37:52
  that final mission, we had a load of fun with like it was
• 1:37:55
  quality and I remember we both kept.
• 1:37:58
  We just kept I like dying at the same point.
• 1:38:01
  I think I remember you saying at the time because when we finally
• 1:38:04
  did it I think it was me that managed to get right to the end
• 1:38:07
  and you will Last a bit disappointed because I wanted
• 1:38:09
  one more. Go to try it out because it was
• 1:38:13
  just fun. Yeah, it is really fun and I
• 1:38:15
  think this is probably the best Halo has been bear in mind.
• 1:38:19
  I haven't played Halo 4 played a bit of Halo Reach and that
• 1:38:22
  that's quite good. And I don't think either of us
• 1:38:25
  to play the new one, but I think this deserves to be in a
• 1:38:28
  category. I've stuck in.
• 1:38:30
  Yeah, I think I think it's deserving.
• 1:38:33
  Yeah I think you're right and we did have a good time with I
• 1:38:37
  really I mean as much as I enjoyed playing Halo 2 in
• 1:38:40
  multiplayer. I enjoyed this me.
• 1:38:42
  Yeah so and we I think we played maybe not all of the campaign
• 1:38:45
  but we play more of it than Halos.
• 1:38:47
  Yes together. Yeah so yeah, that was fun.
• 1:38:54
  Yeah, that was good. So next we have Soul Calibur, I
• 1:39:01
  don't remember much about this. I mean this is what the number
• 1:39:04
  three, right? A game of all time.
• 1:39:06
  Yeah, this is the this is the one. that I said, of all the
• 1:39:14
  fighting games that we played, this was the one that I could
• 1:39:18
  get with. This was the one that I can jive
• 1:39:20
  with it had a fantastic tutorial, it had a fantastic
• 1:39:25
  single player where you could kind of.
• 1:39:29
  I remember talking about the Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance, I
• 1:39:33
  think it was and how there was a single player where you could,
• 1:39:38
  you had upgrades and you had a bit more of a story than other
• 1:39:41
  fighting games. This game had that face.
• 1:39:43
  He's doing it earlier. Yeah, it felt like.
• 1:39:47
  And I remember saying at the time it felt like an RPG fighter
• 1:39:51
  and I really appreciated that but it was also open to
• 1:39:53
  newcomers at a good art style. Really liked all the menu system
• 1:39:59
  and I don't know something about this game.
• 1:40:05
  Just click for me. I'm not I'm not about to say
• 1:40:07
  this is an STI or even an 80, but I do think it is a level
• 1:40:12
  above the other fighting games on the list personally.
• 1:40:15
  Okay, if you you pushing for a Beat I'm pushing for Abby, put
• 1:40:20
  it in a BF you want. I don't really remember that
• 1:40:22
  much about it but I think that says more about me than anything
• 1:40:24
  else. So yeah, pop on a be if if that
• 1:40:28
  is what you think I will not I think this is the one that you
• 1:40:32
  played a demo of, do you remember this?
• 1:40:35
  There was there was an old Xbox demo, but you can't buy the
• 1:40:38
  flowers. Yeah, it was hot.
• 1:40:39
  Yeah, you could get hold of what you can play.
• 1:40:41
  That's fine. I'm happy to go with you on this
• 1:40:43
  then. Just gotta find it.
• 1:40:48
  You can't find where it is. But God there is a colocation
• 1:40:54
  okay, next this will be an interesting one Portal 2.
• 1:41:00
  I think this is an sto game. And I really look forward before
• 1:41:05
  we convert. Yeah let's see what we put
• 1:41:07
  portal. One is, I think we put that as
• 1:41:09
  an A or a B We put it as a night.
• 1:41:12
  Yeah. So we put that as an idea and
• 1:41:15
  Portal 2 is a huge Improvement of Portal 1.
• 1:41:18
  It's better than portal as well as the fact we didn't really we
• 1:41:22
  didn't get to do it this time around but the the multiplayer
• 1:41:25
  element of Portal 2 is incredible and the community
• 1:41:28
  created levels are really good. I think the story in this game
• 1:41:31
  is better. It's longer.
• 1:41:33
  The performance is a fantastic. You've got, I can't remember a
• 1:41:37
  name, unfortunately, but the lady that voices, GLaDOS, you've
• 1:41:40
  got Steve Merchant as Sweetly. And it is just all over a step
• 1:41:45
  up from portal one, and it's in my top 10 games of all time,
• 1:41:49
  Paul to. So for me, Portal 2 is a nasty
• 1:41:52
  game easily. Comments.
• 1:41:56
  So I mean I personally would go for an A+ but I'm happy to go
• 1:42:03
  for S if you want to go. Yeah, I think this is an sto
• 1:42:05
  game. I think it's really good fine
• 1:42:08
  and it's made even better by the fact that it's now on the
• 1:42:11
  switch. This which version is brilliant.
• 1:42:16
  This is a game made for switch is and that's where I played it
• 1:42:20
  and it was great. Okay, next, you think that the
• 1:42:27
  conversation around portal to be longer than that?
• 1:42:29
  But hope this will be an interesting.
• 1:42:32
  Yep, Grand Theft Auto 5. Yeah, it is an introduction.
• 1:42:37
  Hey, do I know you do? I know you don't like this game
• 1:42:40
  as much as I do, but but I don't hate it as much as by.
• 1:42:44
  Maybe you used to because I know that you used to have quite
• 1:42:48
  strong feelings about this game, but maybe they've kind of
• 1:42:52
  Changed slightly think it's got its high points in its low
• 1:42:54
  points. And I think it's a steady game
• 1:42:56
  and the parts, where I remember very strongly our review of this
• 1:43:00
  game. So I went, oh, it's a review
• 1:43:03
  because that makes us sound like we're reviewers, make sure some
• 1:43:05
  professional videos talking about a game.
• 1:43:08
  So, when we talk about this game, I remember talking about
• 1:43:14
  heat the fear, very good for ya and those moments where it Taps
• 1:43:20
  into what he does. A brilliant, the heists.
• 1:43:24
  And my only wish is that, it did that more often, because it
• 1:43:27
  doesn't, I don't feel as negatively about this game as I
• 1:43:33
  do BioShock Infinite, that's in the category to Itself by Jose,
• 1:43:39
  don't feel like this is, this is the problem I have with GTA 5.
• 1:43:42
  I also don't feel like it's the best.
• 1:43:43
  I th, I think you may have slightly different opinions on
• 1:43:48
  this game, and I think that if we put in Vice City and San
• 1:43:50
  Andreas and an a tear, I think GTA 5 has to be an error.
• 1:43:54
  As well, even if because I know that you're not a big fan of the
• 1:43:58
  tone of this game is one of the humerus special.
• 1:44:02
  Yeah, it's different. And I think this game came out
• 1:44:07
  10 years ago. It came out in 2013, when I
• 1:44:11
  think a lot of, a lot of games, a lot of media were trying to
• 1:44:16
  put across a very edgy kind of satirical style of humor, which
• 1:44:20
  wasn't really present in Vice City and San Andreas it had I
• 1:44:24
  installed a satirical humor but it wasn't as quite on the nose
• 1:44:27
  is GTA 5 is, but all of that aside, you have to look at
• 1:44:32
  everything that GTA 5 is. I mean it's still a relatively
• 1:44:35
  good looking game. It plays very nice.
• 1:44:37
  Yeah. We'll give it the map isn't as
• 1:44:39
  big as other GTA games or even as big as you know, Red Dead
• 1:44:42
  Redemption Tour Ever. Well, in a way it's bigger but
• 1:44:46
  it doesn't feel. But there's so much to do in
• 1:44:48
  some of the smaller like area. So like in Los Santos there's so
• 1:44:53
  much to do like In the, you know, in the in the desert and
• 1:44:56
  up in the mountains, there isn't as much to do.
• 1:44:59
  But there's still a fair bit there and I know one of your big
• 1:45:01
  disappointments of this game was okay, we're going back to San
• 1:45:04
  Andreas and you wanted there to be last insurers, you wanted
• 1:45:07
  there to be some Fiero and it wasn't obviously, it's just Los
• 1:45:10
  Santos. But the online perspective of
• 1:45:14
  this game is still absolutely huge.
• 1:45:16
  The amount of stuff that you can redo in.
• 1:45:17
  This game is absolutely huge, the strangers and freaks
• 1:45:21
  missions. I think the story's.
• 1:45:22
  All right, the performance. Is particularly by what you
• 1:45:29
  think. Just just, just love the right
• 1:45:32
  that you've been quiet. Differential of this game.
• 1:45:37
  I use it, I think the story's. All right.
• 1:45:40
  Yeah, I think the stories I think the story is decent.
• 1:45:44
  And I think the performance is particularly by Steven August,
• 1:45:47
  rather, like Steven, dog in this game is great.
• 1:45:52
  And there is an element of Even if you hate the traffic Eric.
• 1:45:55
  Yeah. Like Trevor is that there's a
• 1:45:58
  theory. There's a theory that you know
• 1:46:03
  that there are a few different types of Grand Theft Auto
• 1:46:05
  player. There's the one that just wants
• 1:46:07
  to go and kill everyone and do a frenzy, which is the embodiment
• 1:46:10
  of Trevor. You've got the older style of
• 1:46:13
  GTA player from the HD era that is all about crime and money
• 1:46:17
  which is embodied and Michael and then you've got the new
• 1:46:20
  style of player the up-and-comer which is which is obviously
• 1:46:23
  Frank. But I think that this game is it
• 1:46:28
  is very flawed and, you know, I hate that it's become such a
• 1:46:32
  massive Cash Cow for Rockstar, this game came out 10 years ago,
• 1:46:35
  when realistically, I think we should have seen GTA 6, maybe a
• 1:46:38
  year or two ago now, but they're still making all the money in
• 1:46:41
  the world from the online. And I've got a lot of good
• 1:46:44
  memories of the online section of this game as well.
• 1:46:46
  Plus the fact that you've got the PC Community for this game
• 1:46:53
  that Solutely love it and you've got the GT ARP side of this game
• 1:46:59
  now. But personally, I think this
• 1:47:00
  deserves to be, I don't think it's higher than San Andreas, or
• 1:47:04
  Vice City, but I think it's on the same level.
• 1:47:06
  So I would push for an a for GTA5.
• 1:47:10
  It's flawed and there are elements to it, that bring it
• 1:47:12
  down, but I think it's up there. So we also put red dead one and
• 1:47:20
  read Dead 2 in. I I think I pushed for read Dead
• 1:47:23
  2 to go into an asset here, but I don't think that you were as
• 1:47:26
  keen on that. So yeah, we can't touch those
• 1:47:29
  ones. Now they're saying, yeah, I
• 1:47:33
  think Red Dead Redemption to is a better game than GTA 5.
• 1:47:37
  Okay, but I think that GTA 5, I don't think it's a be beat
• 1:47:41
  again. I think it has to be looked at
• 1:47:43
  as an 80-year, particularly against GTA San Andreas and Vice
• 1:47:48
  City. personally, I think he's a BT game, but I will concede, I
• 1:47:56
  will put it in from my passionate speech because I
• 1:47:59
  don't, I don't really, as I said, I was disappointed when
• 1:48:05
  this game came out. I don't think it's unlike
• 1:48:11
  BioShock Infinite, which I think is an average game with good art
• 1:48:16
  style, and Some good moments. I think this is better than
• 1:48:21
  that. It does play.
• 1:48:22
  I said it in the episode. I think it plays better than GTA
• 1:48:26
  has ever played. Yeah, it has those really high
• 1:48:28
  moments and I'm not as against its by sometimes, it takes
• 1:48:34
  another game to shed light on how you feel about one.
• 1:48:38
  Sure. And this is the case here.
• 1:48:41
  So yeah, I will concede, as I said, I personally I would put
• 1:48:44
  in a BT but I will concede that I'll put it in an eight.
• 1:48:48
  Very good. Just want you to remember that
• 1:48:52
  though. I will remember.
• 1:48:56
  I will call there's a game later on.
• 1:48:58
  I think it's my only game actually that I've got a vested
• 1:49:00
  interest in here. Okay, yes we'll come to it.
• 1:49:03
  We will will come to it. I wonder if you know what it is.
• 1:49:08
  I think Twilight Princess No it's not yeah okay next K less
• 1:49:17
  than 20 games to go. The next game on the list is
• 1:49:20
  Grand Turismo 3 a spec. Well I think we both agreed in a
• 1:49:23
  way. This this will go above GT while
• 1:49:28
  too so you know Step Up technologically.
• 1:49:33
  I don't remember much about the game to be honest with you but I
• 1:49:35
  remember it being better than the other ones but I don't have
• 1:49:38
  really too much to say on this one, you know?
• 1:49:40
  Game. I remember it being a bit of a
• 1:49:43
  special game. When it came out in terms of the
• 1:49:45
  technology, it was pushing it was quite an early PS2 title and
• 1:49:50
  it really stood out and it was doing a lot with lighting and so
• 1:49:53
  on. Yeah, I'd agree with that.
• 1:49:57
  I didn't have a bad time with any of these grand juries?
• 1:49:59
  No, no me. And I like the series I think it
• 1:50:03
  would take something to get me back into the sea.
• 1:50:05
  Yes, but I like some of these older entries.
• 1:50:08
  So yeah, I'm going to stick that in big.
• 1:50:10
  Fine by me. Abby is fine by me, indeed.
• 1:50:16
  Just we mentioned earlier that. You've got a game that you think
• 1:50:21
  I'm probably going to disagree heavily on there.
• 1:50:23
  Any games you might not disagree heavily-armed, but you, but I
• 1:50:26
  don't know if you agree. There goes that higher.
• 1:50:28
  Are there any games that you think that I'm going to give a
• 1:50:30
  nest here to? I'm not going to say yes or no?
• 1:50:32
  I'm just curious. You said earlier that, you had a
• 1:50:36
  couple of games that you would argue and I know Portal 2 was
• 1:50:39
  one of them. So I reckon there's one more.
• 1:50:41
  There's one more that I can think of there might be more.
• 1:50:44
  Can't remember depends, what comes that?
• 1:50:45
  I know what it's gonna be, but I don't know if I would agree with
• 1:50:48
  all right. I think I know what's going to
• 1:50:50
  see looking at the list. We'll see.
• 1:50:52
  Okay. Onwards, let's carry on.
• 1:50:57
  Next game is again. We both love.
• 1:51:00
  And this may be an st. A conversation, it would
• 1:51:04
  certainly be an A or sit steak. Is it pets cop?
• 1:51:08
  Pet, Scott's personal fantastic St.
• 1:51:11
  R, let's go game that we've not played for the least, but we
• 1:51:13
  will be adding a game that doesn't exist, is it?
• 1:51:15
  But is a bit of an inch and then yes.
• 1:51:20
  Okay, the game is chaos, theory, Splinter Cell.
• 1:51:24
  I don't think it's necessary. I think it's an idea though.
• 1:51:29
  It's the best Prince is the best blind.
• 1:51:30
  I'll go in my opinion, there are some levels where it's a bit not
• 1:51:34
  as good, but yeah, recently really, really good missions in
• 1:51:37
  this game. And we only talked about it
• 1:51:40
  quite recently, but this is a very good game.
• 1:51:43
  So I think that this is a comfortable.
• 1:51:45
  A, I don't think it's an ester but I think it's definitely an A
• 1:51:48
  Tear. I think I'm with you there.
• 1:51:52
  I love Chaos Theory. I think.
• 1:51:56
  In terms of controls, I She didn't the episode.
• 1:51:59
  It's the way that you use the analog stick, the more you lean
• 1:52:04
  the analog stick the more. Yes.
• 1:52:07
  Basically. Adjust the level of movie fuel
• 1:52:10
  like a predator. Yeah.
• 1:52:11
  Yeah. So you can really slow down how
• 1:52:15
  quickly you're moving towards an enemy and, and you feel like a
• 1:52:18
  princess represent, this great game and it is, it's a great
• 1:52:22
  game. And some levels are so strong.
• 1:52:24
  And I agree with you certainly towards the Latter half of the
• 1:52:29
  game in terms of the last couple of missions, it drags appear but
• 1:52:34
  in terms of design what they do is they give you at all set.
• 1:52:39
  They give you a load out that you want to choose.
• 1:52:42
  They give you a level and they give you options as to how you
• 1:52:46
  want to approach. That level.
• 1:52:47
  You can go in guns a-blazing. It's that Aid.
• 1:52:50
  Age-old adage of going guns are somewhat similar to mgs5 but
• 1:52:54
  just with a better story, there's more coherent.
• 1:52:58
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:52:59
  And for a game. That's so much older than it.
• 1:53:02
  Yeah, I think it absolutely Nails.
• 1:53:05
  The self in terms of how it feels, it died.
• 1:53:08
  Just imagine chaos theory in a I'm not even joking though.
• 1:53:12
  I imagine chaos theory in an open world, vicinity it and
• 1:53:16
  having that control it still baffles me that Pandora tomorrow
• 1:53:19
  is on this list. I don't think it should be at
• 1:53:23
  all and I, you know, I think that might be an argument for
• 1:53:26
  Splinter Cell one being on the list.
• 1:53:28
  Our flaws with that Gordon care more than pain 100%.
• 1:53:31
  But chaos theory is the standout in that in that trilogy by a
• 1:53:34
  country mile. And just to add a addendum.
• 1:53:38
  So don't I, I recently played double agent again.
• 1:53:43
  I'm still deliberating whether it's putting my 15 games.
• 1:53:47
  It certainly makes a strong case, but at the same time, is
• 1:53:51
  it one of the best games ever made?
• 1:53:52
  That's the deliberation. I mean, will we be joining?
• 1:53:54
  John Brown's Army, that's the question.
• 1:53:57
  I very much enjoyed it. So this is the original Xbox
• 1:54:01
  version because they do. Yeah, the 360 versions
• 1:54:04
  different, isn't it? I played the PS2 version.
• 1:54:06
  Version. So I'm not ruled it out.
• 1:54:08
  Yeah. I've not ruled out but I will
• 1:54:11
  see decided that is definitively going to go in there as well.
• 1:54:14
  So watch this space with that one because it is chaos theory
• 1:54:19
  with different missions. Some very good against I'm not.
• 1:54:24
  So yeah, so I think Chaos Theory goes comfortably near the top of
• 1:54:30
  a, to be honest. Yeah.
• 1:54:32
  Oh yeah, I think so too. And it's a game that we both
• 1:54:37
  agree on that. We both very much joy as well.
• 1:54:39
  Yeah, okay. Next, Okay, The Legend of Zelda,
• 1:54:46
  The Wind Waker. The describe your experience
• 1:54:50
  that you had with the Wind Waker when you play compared to what
• 1:54:54
  you were expecting, I wanted to Like the Wind Waker.
• 1:54:57
  A lot more than I did and I'd played bits of it before.
• 1:55:02
  But yeah, it's it was it was a fine game but there was just too
• 1:55:09
  many elements to it where I was like oh this is disappointing.
• 1:55:13
  Oh I wanted this to be more and I think coming off the The back
• 1:55:18
  of Majora's Mask, which in my opinion is the best Zelda game
• 1:55:21
  that we've played for the list. It's, it doesn't quite live up
• 1:55:26
  to the hype. I think that it's a stunning
• 1:55:28
  game. I think it looks fantastic.
• 1:55:32
  Absolutely. It can.
• 1:55:33
  And it still stands out in that aspect, but the gameplay, The
• 1:55:36
  Dungeons and particularly the traversal, even though had been
• 1:55:39
  improved in the Wii U version against the original GameCube
• 1:55:43
  version. Just yeah, it felt it feels like
• 1:55:48
  Like unhip potential, unfortunately, but it doesn't
• 1:55:52
  mean I didn't like it. I thought it was okay.
• 1:55:55
  So we talked about another game that was unfinished on the list
• 1:55:59
  that eventually landed in BT, which was the phantom pain and
• 1:56:03
  we can't neglect. The fact that wind waker was
• 1:56:08
  also an unfinished game. There is a there, there's a
• 1:56:14
  dungeon. The third dungeon that I seem to
• 1:56:16
  recollect where you are. Given the, the emerald, the the
• 1:56:21
  token that you really need to proceed because They didn't
• 1:56:25
  build it at a dungeon there and that to me is a problem and then
• 1:56:30
  you've got the the Triforce Quest at the end which is just
• 1:56:34
  uh, yeah. So, before I, before I weigh in
• 1:56:38
  with where I think this game should go.
• 1:56:40
  I want to just put a bit of a thing in as to where the other
• 1:56:45
  games, when, in terms of Zelda, on the list.
• 1:56:48
  So we had, we had a link to the past, which we put in BT.
• 1:56:52
  And I remember the conversation about this.
• 1:56:54
  This game is very, very, very important to some people.
• 1:56:58
  But it's an old game, and we didn't play at the time, and it
• 1:57:03
  didn't quite click with us. So, we stuck that in Beatty.
• 1:57:07
  And I say we put the very, very important, very, very important
• 1:57:13
  Ocarina of Time. And in the Str, we put Majora's
• 1:57:16
  Mask, which you've already alluded to these.
• 1:57:19
  It's your favorite game ever. Be quite possibly, it's between
• 1:57:24
  that and maybe a couple of other games, but honestly I'm a lean
• 1:57:30
  towards Majora's Mask because it is very, very special.
• 1:57:33
  It is and in the Current tier list we're doing.
• 1:57:38
  We've got the Zelda collection, just as a bit of around out in
• 1:57:42
  the seats here. So we've got in CT, we've got
• 1:57:49
  soda collection in bees here. We've got a link to the past in
• 1:57:53
  80, and we've got Ocarina of Time.
• 1:57:55
  And in St, we've got Majora's Mask.
• 1:57:58
  Where do you think Wind Waker sits?
• 1:58:00
  I would put this in beta. Okay, I would be tempted to say
• 1:58:05
  see but there's another Zelda game coming up that I didn't
• 1:58:08
  enjoy as much as Wind Waker. I found winwaker to be slightly
• 1:58:11
  disappointing but I preferred over another's out again.
• 1:58:15
  That will be discussing shortly. So I would say be beat here.
• 1:58:20
  I would agree with me. That was where my gut was going.
• 1:58:23
  It was going for. Yeah, I don't think this is not
• 1:58:26
  a bad game but it's not the game that everyone says is.
• 1:58:30
  And that's a problem. Yeah, yeah huh.
• 1:58:32
  Percent. But yet the, the look of this
• 1:58:36
  game is absolutely incredible. Okay, next, we have I think I'm
• 1:58:41
  going to going to disagree with you on the other Zelda game
• 1:58:43
  though. Yeah, you know that.
• 1:58:45
  But yeah, not certainly don't think is sta.
• 1:58:48
  But yeah. Next, we've already alluded to
• 1:58:51
  this game. A few times in this episode
• 1:58:53
  already the legend or not, we about to say Windwaker again, I
• 1:59:01
  wasn't I wasn't gonna say that I had this game in my mind, but
• 1:59:05
  for some reason, I started speaking, and the legend you've
• 1:59:08
  had a few refresh Legend of Zelda, Grand Theft.
• 1:59:11
  At Auto San Andreas Legend is out at San Andreas?
• 1:59:14
  Yes. Quite, I'll have you recovered
• 1:59:17
  from your, your Biff there? Because I'll let you start this
• 1:59:21
  one mishap. I mean, we know where this is
• 1:59:25
  going already. Yeah.
• 1:59:26
  We had a conversation. It's so what, what, what happens
• 1:59:29
  when we talk about games in this series?
• 1:59:31
  We've talked about vices who we've talked about GTA 5, we've
• 1:59:34
  set the table, we've set the table for where San Andreas is
• 1:59:37
  going to go. They both sitting in a tear we
• 1:59:40
  know that San Andreas. Going to go and eat it.
• 1:59:45
  I've said before, I said earlier, during this recording I
• 1:59:48
  would love to put this in a steer.
• 1:59:50
  The first experience that I had with this game back in 2003 2004
• 1:59:56
  think it's 2004 it was an st. Experience but this game has not
• 2:00:03
  aged. Well, there are Still Moments
• 2:00:05
  where it really smashes that kind of St ranking.
• 2:00:09
  I described in the episode when you're driving through the
• 2:00:12
  countryside and you've got Got the phenomenal soundtrack
• 2:00:16
  playing in the background and it's the rain is coming down.
• 2:00:20
  This game is something special and it is still something
• 2:00:23
  special, but it does not play as nicely as GTA 5.
• 2:00:29
  If you could marry something like the gameplay of GTA 5 with
• 2:00:33
  everything else of San Andreas, you definitely have an st again,
• 2:00:41
  this game is still special. This game has the fact that they
• 2:00:45
  blew the proportions of this game, they have three cities.
• 2:00:48
  They had the countryside in between they had the desert.
• 2:00:51
  It's a special game, it's just not quite as special as it once
• 2:00:56
  was unfortunately, for me. What do you think?
• 2:01:00
  Yeah, I mean it's in the same category as Vice City, isn't it?
• 2:01:03
  We both have our preferences and I prefer Vice City.
• 2:01:06
  You prefer San Andreas but yeah, I think if you hadn't have
• 2:01:11
  talked me down and made a good point, about when I mentioned
• 2:01:14
  about Vice City going and estia I probably wouldn't have thought
• 2:01:18
  you too much about this going into West here as well, but I
• 2:01:21
  think you are right, with with age it's wilted a little bit but
• 2:01:28
  I think it's still still a good game.
• 2:01:31
  Not not my favorite but it's definitely up there.
• 2:01:34
  So I think it deserves to be in the a tear.
• 2:01:37
  And that's because I want to maintain because we have our
• 2:01:41
  individual opinions. But together, we are pushing out
• 2:01:44
  list here, least, and we are saying, what we think are the
• 2:01:48
  STA games of all time. And I want to maintain that and
• 2:01:53
  some Tegrity. Like I said, I would love to put
• 2:01:55
  San Andreas in there, but it's not.
• 2:01:57
  There anymore, is it? You sure.
• 2:02:01
  It's about, it's about balance, isn't it?
• 2:02:03
  And and challenging yourself to put things where they belong
• 2:02:06
  lies, which is not always easy. Super Mario Galaxy 2.
• 2:02:13
  I'll let you start with this one.
• 2:02:15
  I don't have as many memories with Galaxy to as I do Galaxy
• 2:02:19
  one and I think I remember playing Galaxy one vividly
• 2:02:24
  because we played it for our Christmas special.
• 2:02:26
  The first year that we did the podcast.
• 2:02:27
  I think I don't think it's as good as Galaxy one, but I
• 2:02:33
  struggled with, I'll I struggled with the Galaxy games overall,
• 2:02:36
  like I didn't dislike them, but my problem with some Mario games
• 2:02:43
  is there always has to be a quark and I think it's why I
• 2:02:45
  like Mario world's 3D World so much is it doesn't feel like
• 2:02:49
  there's a quirk to it like Mario Sunshine.
• 2:02:52
  Mario 64 doesn't really have one either but Mario sunshine.
• 2:02:56
  It's the fact that you've got flood on your back.
• 2:03:00
  The Mario Galaxy. Mario, Galaxy 2 its gravity and
• 2:03:03
  different planets and stuff which space.
• 2:03:05
  Yeah, which I don't really Vibe with and then 3D world came
• 2:03:11
  along Odyssey is hats. Yeah.
• 2:03:14
  Yeah, Odysseys copy, but I didn't find it to be as
• 2:03:17
  intrusive but yeah 3D world is just a Mario game has yeah cat.
• 2:03:24
  He marry a power up. But yeah I'd say four galaxies
• 2:03:30
  to. I'd probably put it in a see
• 2:03:36
  maybe I think I think you're going to push button you're
• 2:03:38
  going to say Abby. I'm going to say it me.
• 2:03:41
  I am going to say babe. I also agree with you and so we
• 2:03:45
  put again, let's do it. Let's do a Roundup of where we
• 2:03:48
  put Mario because that's important.
• 2:03:53
  We have puts Mario 64 which we know we know is a seminal Mario
• 2:03:59
  game. We put that in, BT, we've put
• 2:04:04
  Mario Galaxy and AIDS here. And I agree with that and I've
• 2:04:10
  got a stutter all of a sudden you can tell I'm on my third one
• 2:04:15
  now it's affecting me. I'm not going to use have a few
• 2:04:16
  beverage vs. Super Mario Advance for Mario.
• 2:04:20
  Whatever 3 well yeah it was called longest title to the
• 2:04:24
  world. In situ we have put Mario 3D
• 2:04:30
  World in Eighty alongside Mario, Galaxy our two favorite Mario
• 2:04:34
  games. My favorite very game is Galaxy.
• 2:04:37
  You always use 3D World so I don't think Galaxy 2 belongs in
• 2:04:42
  seats here. I just don't I think it controls
• 2:04:45
  so fluidly that it doesn't belong there at the same time.
• 2:04:48
  It's not a tear. So to me that says yeah, which
• 2:04:52
  is unpopulated by Mario. I think that's fine.
• 2:04:55
  I think that's a good place for it to go.
• 2:04:57
  I know this is your favorite game.
• 2:04:59
  I'll let you start with this one.
• 2:05:01
  Number 39 Resident Evil curve arnica.
• 2:05:05
  I hated this game so much, it's so bad.
• 2:05:10
  I don't-- detail detail, just to control.
• 2:05:15
  What did you hate about controls the characters?
• 2:05:18
  The can't lot. I struggled enough with the
• 2:05:19
  Resident Evil 4, but then taking a step back, and it's why I
• 2:05:23
  could never play Resident Evil one.
• 2:05:24
  And I've never tried Resident Evil 2, but it's better than
• 2:05:28
  this, those to be Bear. It's just bad like it doesn't
• 2:05:33
  control. Well, the characters are like
• 2:05:36
  very poorly poorly written. What was that CAT scan time?
• 2:05:41
  I can't remember, I think of it like blocked it out.
• 2:05:45
  Tries to kiss. I washy sleep.
• 2:05:47
  Yeah, my it's just this. This is a detail amazing.
• 2:05:53
  This is a detail game and I will disagree if you think that It is
• 2:06:00
  a now I do. I agree with you.
• 2:06:02
  I'm with it. So did you complete this game?
• 2:06:05
  I can't remember. Absolutely did not.
• 2:06:07
  I did complete this game. I still think it's D, Tau this
• 2:06:11
  game. So Resident, Evil fans, love
• 2:06:16
  this game, and they are barking for a remake of this game
• 2:06:21
  because it is quote, unquote, in need of a room, a more than
• 2:06:25
  Resident Evil 4. this game, I completed it and I don't get it.
• 2:06:35
  I know that it's the first quote, unquote.
• 2:06:37
  I like, I'm using that a lot Resident Evil game, 3D Resident
• 2:06:42
  Evil games, so that you've got 3D backdrops rather than the
• 2:06:46
  pre. Yeah.
• 2:06:47
  Because when did this come out 02?
• 2:06:49
  I think 0203 wasn't it? It was Dreamcast.
• 2:06:52
  It maybe 2,000. All right.
• 2:06:53
  Yeah, 2001 sounds yeah, code Ronica.
• 2:06:57
  That I feel like it was 2001 2003 thousand.
• 2:07:00
  Okay. Okay so 2000 but I still It
• 2:07:03
  belongs in detail, but at the same time of those DTS titles,
• 2:07:07
  I'm going to put above the others just because at least it
• 2:07:10
  bothers to have a story that's bad.
• 2:07:15
  It's not great, it's not great. And I wouldn't, I wouldn't even
• 2:07:18
  argue with it. You with you on that one?
• 2:07:19
  All right, I know. So next, I wouldn't have a valid
• 2:07:22
  argument to say for that one, okay?
• 2:07:23
  This is the one, I think you're going to argue for a nest here
• 2:07:28
  but I don't believe it's a nice, right, okay, so Skyrim no.
• 2:07:35
  Okay, so it's not that one. No, but I have a feeling, I have
• 2:07:39
  a feeling that maybe the additional games that we've been
• 2:07:41
  covering aren't included in this.
• 2:07:43
  This they are not They will they will be included in the event.
• 2:07:46
  That'll be why then. So not Scott's car is really
• 2:07:51
  good. I love Skyrim but it's not an
• 2:07:52
  sto game. There are sta elements to it and
• 2:07:55
  I think that it has even though it's been remade on every
• 2:07:59
  console ever and you can play it on a pocket calculator.
• 2:08:02
  At this point, it isn't perfect. It is flawed.
• 2:08:05
  It still buggy, but it is as it is a great game.
• 2:08:09
  I'd probably put this game in an 80, a list.
• 2:08:11
  I think it's better than Oblivion.
• 2:08:14
  I think it's where do you think we put below?
• 2:08:16
  I reckon that we / Bolivian and be.
• 2:08:20
  We've waited, see, did we that's to me looking at this easy
• 2:08:26
  games? We've got, that's one change.
• 2:08:28
  I would make, I think. Oblivion belongs in be.
• 2:08:32
  Mmm. Maybe You you don't know, I'm
• 2:08:38
  dropping Korean currency on the floor.
• 2:08:41
  I think that's something that they're whatever.
• 2:08:44
  No one was expecting that today. I think you've you've got a
• 2:08:49
  better relationship with Oblivion than I have.
• 2:08:51
  And I remember us discussing that at the time I don't think
• 2:08:54
  Oblivion is that great at the time in 2006.
• 2:08:57
  It was conversely. I don't think it's Chiron was
• 2:09:00
  like great. I don't think I don't think
• 2:09:02
  Skyrim is amazing. I think it's good and I've put,
• 2:09:04
  you know, Tonight's hours into that game, but I think it's
• 2:09:08
  better than Oblivion. And I would happily say that
• 2:09:11
  Oblivion stays has see, but Skyrim goes in, be as a
• 2:09:15
  handshake agreement. I would say be forced.
• 2:09:17
  That's fine. If Oblivion.
• 2:09:19
  Yeah, I think that's completely fair.
• 2:09:22
  I think that's completely Fair. We're now equaling on the beads
• 2:09:26
  here the same as the seat here. Interesting.
• 2:09:29
  Would you like me to give her a bit of a, how many games we got
• 2:09:31
  left for we? Continue, we've not got many.
• 2:09:34
  We have Just over 10 get okay yeah get give it.
• 2:09:41
  Give a rundown if you want. DT, we've got Code Veronica
• 2:09:48
  Madden NFL 2003 Street Fighter Alpha 3.
• 2:09:56
  Team Fortress 2 civilization for civilization to and CT.
• 2:10:04
  We've got Super Mario, 3 Advance, whatever for that's the
• 2:10:09
  name that is official Street Fighter 4, Virtua Fighter 4
• 2:10:14
  borders, Gates who Madden 2004 NCAA 2004 Zelda collector's
• 2:10:21
  edition, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 Gran Turismo 2.
• 2:10:25
  Diablo and Bioshock, infinite's beat here.
• 2:10:29
  We've got God of War Two Metal Gear.
• 2:10:33
  Solid 5, the phantom pain Metroid Prime Half-Life 2
• 2:10:38
  episode 1 Chrono cross Super Smash Bros brawl Soulcalibur,
• 2:10:46
  Gran Turismo 3 Zelda The Wind Waker super Mario Galaxy 2
• 2:10:54
  Skyrim and eight here. We've got Chaos Theory, Splinter
• 2:10:58
  Cell Branch Grand Theft Auto San Andreas Grand Theft Auto Vice
• 2:11:03
  City. Perfect Dark God of War 2018,
• 2:11:08
  which are 3 Mario, 3D World Halo 3 Grand Theft Auto 5, + Portal 2
• 2:11:16
  in the St. Yep, so we've only got one St, r
• 2:11:19
  at the moment. We have, and I think I'm, I'm
• 2:11:22
  personally pretty happy with that.
• 2:11:24
  So, yeah, I think so. I think, that's right.
• 2:11:27
  I think objectively. I mean funny word, but I think
• 2:11:32
  we're doing yes, Mass Effect 2. I'll let you start with this
• 2:11:36
  one. I'll hand you the first.
• 2:11:38
  I didn't I didn't really know what to expect.
• 2:11:40
  On mosfets, I played a bit of it before, but it was one of those
• 2:11:42
  games I couldn't get into, but I ended up quite enjoying it.
• 2:11:47
  I think it's because I went into it relatively blind.
• 2:11:49
  I knew that the last level of the game was suicide mission
• 2:11:52
  where you could lose party members But I got my
• 2:11:56
  relationships with my party quite high.
• 2:11:58
  So I didn't think I'd lose anyone but because I hadn't been
• 2:12:01
  adding my upgrades to the ship and stuff, I ended up losing two
• 2:12:04
  or three people which, you know, I know where I think it should
• 2:12:08
  be. Well, I'm glad that I did lose
• 2:12:10
  those people because I did what I thought was right and it still
• 2:12:13
  wasn't quite right and I had to deal with the effects of that.
• 2:12:18
  Yeah. And I think that's what this
• 2:12:19
  game does. Well you know that the choices
• 2:12:22
  that you make they seem to hold sway.
• 2:12:24
  So I'd say this game Deserve to be in the be tier per person.
• 2:12:29
  I'm going to push for more than okay.
• 2:12:32
  And and and it's not a nest here and I know it's not missed here.
• 2:12:36
  I think it's an AIDS here. I think this game surprise you
• 2:12:40
  and I think. Yeah, I've played it again.
• 2:12:43
  I've played it for probably the third time.
• 2:12:45
  I'm not sure. I'm not keeping count, but I
• 2:12:49
  think this is a really understated good game and
• 2:12:52
  everything that you do in this game feeds towards that final
• 2:12:55
  suicide mission and the gameplay is really, I mean, it's better
• 2:13:01
  than solid, it's good, it's not great, it's good.
• 2:13:05
  And then the story is very good and then you've got all the
• 2:13:07
  other aspects you've got the RPG elements.
• 2:13:09
  You've got the fact that this game reads what you do and it
• 2:13:12
  responds to what ya do given that the only other game on this
• 2:13:17
  list that we've played. Add that Cyril.
• 2:13:19
  Assist game is Kotor and to me, I think it's a similar level to
• 2:13:24
  come at all. Yeah, I'll tell you what I'd say
• 2:13:27
  in terms of, I know it's not startle knows, but I think and I
• 2:13:32
  know that that was always their problem.
• 2:13:34
  I think, in terms of what the game is, it is a step above coat
• 2:13:38
  or without the Star Wars license.
• 2:13:41
  So it all comes down to how much the Star Wars license as to it.
• 2:13:44
  I'm pretty sure we put CO2 or in b or a I reckon it's be I reckon
• 2:13:50
  we put coats or nay We might have done.
• 2:14:00
  And typically I can't find kotl and be La cuz we put it in D
• 2:14:04
  code for was in be. Okay.
• 2:14:06
  So was in be, I think it's on the same level as Coastal so I'd
• 2:14:09
  still probably push for Abby, unless I'm going to push for an
• 2:14:13
  a for this one. I do I really like the Mass
• 2:14:16
  Effect series and I think if you take I think if you take away
• 2:14:21
  the, the Star Wars series, which I know is hard to do, I do
• 2:14:26
  believe if this was a Star Wars game if it was Kotor 2, for
• 2:14:30
  example, it would be considered higher.
• 2:14:34
  I think it's very understated and I think that suicide mission
• 2:14:38
  is just such a great Mission. But everything you do in this
• 2:14:41
  game is working towards that, that mission.
• 2:14:43
  So, yeah, I would I put it as a low a person.
• 2:14:45
  Okay, I'll take it next, we're ready.
• 2:14:50
  Really in the weeds of it. Now NFL 2K 1 which is the
• 2:14:55
  Dreamcast one that you mentioned.
• 2:14:56
  I didn't play this so this is entirely on you.
• 2:15:00
  We put the best Madden games in see And I very clearly.
• 2:15:06
  Remember saying that and what's what NFL 2K 1.
• 2:15:14
  Yeah. Okay.
• 2:15:15
  NFL 2K one was A step above them.
• 2:15:17
  It was arkady. It was fun.
• 2:15:20
  It took it took a bit to get used to but when I did get into
• 2:15:23
  it it clicks and it was a really sweet reminder.
• 2:15:31
  Of what was special about Sega. This was a Sega produce game,
• 2:15:36
  Sega did arcade like no one else can.
• 2:15:39
  And unfortunately, since they left the console market, we've
• 2:15:45
  kind of lost that in a way. And we don't get games like this
• 2:15:48
  anymore. So we've got on one level, we've
• 2:15:54
  got Madden, 2004 NCAA 2004, but to me NFL 2K one plays better
• 2:15:59
  than those games. It's arkady, it's fun, it's
• 2:16:02
  entertaining. I'm not going to say it's a RS6.
• 2:16:05
  It's not. But to me is a very low, beat
• 2:16:08
  it. That's fine by me.
• 2:16:09
  I will take it Twilight Princess, you can start with
• 2:16:14
  this one. Also, we had an agreement at the
• 2:16:16
  beginning of the, the beginning of the series, and you still
• 2:16:18
  need to give me a sort of Challenge to complete the Zelda
• 2:16:22
  series. This is the one that you haven't
• 2:16:24
  completed, and I would like, you to go back to it, because there
• 2:16:28
  are some fantastic dungeons in this game.
• 2:16:30
  This game is about the Dungeons and in a way this game gets
• 2:16:36
  stronger and stronger, as you get further into it.
• 2:16:39
  I agree. This the start is a slog, but I
• 2:16:45
  also think this is a better game than Wind Waker.
• 2:16:48
  I'm also not going to say this is 80.
• 2:16:50
  Because it's not it's better than winwaker Wind Waker.
• 2:16:53
  We put in be and I'd say it's supposed to be higher be but
• 2:16:58
  this is not Peaks older. I this is not Majora's Mask.
• 2:17:02
  Yeah, I don't think this game was better than wind awake.
• 2:17:05
  I didn't really Vibe with it and probably a reason other than
• 2:17:08
  time that I didn't go back to complete it.
• 2:17:12
  So if you put it on the same tier as Wind Waker, I wouldn't
• 2:17:18
  I'll put the net. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't have a
• 2:17:19
  problem. Um, with that.
• 2:17:20
  But I don't think it's higher than Wind Waker.
• 2:17:22
  I didn't really, this is the, this is the Zelda game.
• 2:17:24
  I can least enjoyed. I'll put them next to each
• 2:17:28
  other, like we did San Andreas, Vice City.
• 2:17:30
  Yeah, I can live with that and we'll consider them on the
• 2:17:33
  thing. Yeah, that's fine.
• 2:17:36
  Okay, moving on. But I will challenge you to
• 2:17:40
  finish it before we close out the podcast, you 23, yes, before
• 2:17:46
  my death. In 20, yes.
• 2:17:53
  All right, Divinity. Original sin Sue.
• 2:17:55
  This is a hard one. Okay, I'll let you start with
• 2:17:56
  this one. So this is another one.
• 2:17:59
  I put in with Diablo Baldur's Gate, I put it in as a daddy
• 2:18:09
  again, it just wasn't really for me and I think this one's
• 2:18:13
  probably going to be more driven by you the maker.
• 2:18:16
  So I just thought as well. I have less of an opinion of
• 2:18:20
  this one than you think I would. So, It is in the same vein.
• 2:18:26
  I agree with you Baldur's Gate, Diablo Divinity, original sin to
• 2:18:30
  but over the three is that the one that I enjoyed the list is
• 2:18:34
  the one that I admit is the most user-friendly.
• 2:18:39
  But it didn't kick me. Where is the other two did in
• 2:18:43
  some way? Yeah, so for me, it's a very low
• 2:18:48
  C or even a day, I don't really care what I think these are.
• 2:18:51
  I'll let you decide that, okay, with you.
• 2:18:54
  Okay, the next game we have is number 45 Madden NFL 2002.
• 2:19:03
  I know where I think this belongs automatically.
• 2:19:06
  But what are your thoughts? I don't know. no, to be honest
• 2:19:09
  sober, the other ones that like I say, they all kind of really
• 2:19:13
  put 2003 Indy Probably day as well.
• 2:19:18
  Then yeah, to me it's a clear indicator of where 2002 should
• 2:19:24
  be. These are iterative annual games
• 2:19:28
  that do improve every year various.
• 2:19:31
  Yeah. So Move on jet grind radio.
• 2:19:38
  Also known as Jet Set. Ready hell what do you remember
• 2:19:41
  about this game? A different, isn't it?
• 2:19:44
  Very different, very different. I don't remember too much to be
• 2:19:49
  honest with you, I remember it stood out as being very
• 2:19:51
  different from the other games. I think it was all right and the
• 2:19:55
  skating element of it was all right.
• 2:19:58
  But yeah that one was quite early on in this side of the
• 2:20:02
  list wasn't that one seems like a lifetime ago So so keep in
• 2:20:06
  mind. Yeah, on this game.
• 2:20:11
  I hoped that it was gonna be Tony Hawk's Pro.
• 2:20:14
  Skater 2 /, Tony Hawk's, Pro Skater 3 skating.
• 2:20:20
  But it wasn't quite that at the same time.
• 2:20:26
  It wasn't bad. It was fun.
• 2:20:28
  It was entertaining. It was challenging.
• 2:20:30
  It was arkady. It was unique.
• 2:20:32
  As you say the art style was very unique.
• 2:20:35
  Yeah, to me this sits around the same as Tony Hawk's Pro, Skater
• 2:20:39
  4. I don't know.
• 2:20:41
  I think probably wouldn't argue with that, to be honest with
• 2:20:43
  you. So put that in sees here, so I'm
• 2:20:46
  going to put that in. Yeah, that's fine.
• 2:20:49
  It's definitely not a d. No, I don't think so.
• 2:20:54
  Half-Life 2 episode 2. Let's see.
• 2:20:57
  I prefer to episode one likes. That was the first game that we
• 2:20:59
  talked about on here, wasn't it? And it was.
• 2:21:02
  Yeah. I'd probably be happy to put it
• 2:21:06
  next to episode one either because I don't really recall
• 2:21:10
  the differences between them other than I had a frustrating
• 2:21:13
  time with this game playing through it.
• 2:21:15
  I think Episode Two Is Better Than One.
• 2:21:19
  It still wasn't very long but there was more of a journey and
• 2:21:24
  you kind of traveled across the countryside a bit more.
• 2:21:26
  Then you've got the famous Cliffhanger.
• 2:21:29
  I don't really have much more to say but yeah, I'm happy to go in
• 2:21:32
  it. Yeah.
• 2:21:33
  And where was that again? Was that be They were both
• 2:21:36
  baby's fine. Super Mario Odyssey, I'm gonna
• 2:21:38
  let you start. I think this game goes aside 3D
• 2:21:42
  World. I didn't like it as much as 3D
• 2:21:44
  world, but I enjoyed it, I think I thought it was pretty good.
• 2:21:51
  You know, there's there's so much game there that there's
• 2:21:54
  almost I think we mentioned in episode there's almost too much
• 2:21:56
  game. Yes yes it is insanely big.
• 2:22:01
  Plus all the additional features after you've completed.
• 2:22:04
  Yeah. There's, you know, there's close
• 2:22:05
  to a thousand moons to collect, which is madness, and I think
• 2:22:12
  that it looks fantastic. I don't think the gimmick of
• 2:22:16
  Cappy was too much of a gimmick to kind of, you know, it didn't
• 2:22:20
  take anything away from the game like flood does, or Galaxy does.
• 2:22:24
  So, I would quite comfortably say that this goes up in a with
• 2:22:28
  the lowest side of 3D World. I'd say probably.
• 2:22:31
  Leon Parr. Okay.
• 2:22:33
  Alright, I'm going to be 3D world is my preference, but I
• 2:22:36
  think this is on par with it. I thought it was very good.
• 2:22:39
  Yeah, I get that. Yeah, I don't really have much
• 2:22:43
  to add to be honest. The three Mario's that we've
• 2:22:47
  gotten AIDS here, I think are strong representatives of Mario
• 2:22:53
  and yeah, I would agree to me Mario never reaches the height
• 2:22:59
  of some of the Zelda games. So yeah, there's none in St.
• 2:23:02
  R for me. Next.
• 2:23:09
  Need this. This might be device if I don't
• 2:23:11
  know where we landed eventually on this.
• 2:23:13
  So Uncharted 2 among Thieves. Yeah.
• 2:23:18
  I-i've historically said that, I don't really fight with these
• 2:23:23
  cans very well. I think they're a bit overrated.
• 2:23:26
  They're good. They're all very good.
• 2:23:28
  But I think they're overrated and this game is undoubtably
• 2:23:35
  better than number one. And I haven't played number 3
• 2:23:39
  and I haven't played number four.
• 2:23:41
  So there are some good moments in this game.
• 2:23:44
  I think, I think the section on the train is fine.
• 2:23:46
  But I think again a bit overrated.
• 2:23:48
  I love the bits in the Tibetan mountains.
• 2:23:51
  When you're yeah, I thought they were really good but and I know
• 2:23:55
  that it is it only exists because Uncharted exist, but I
• 2:23:59
  prefer the the newer iteration of the Tomb Raider games over
• 2:24:03
  Uncharted, although there are flaws in that game as well.
• 2:24:07
  With as we've mentioned before Laura going from, oh my god.
• 2:24:09
  I've killed someone to 30 seconds later, mowing down an
• 2:24:13
  entire generation of people, but I probably would push for
• 2:24:19
  Uncharted 2 to be in this. I'd say be, but if you wanted to
• 2:24:24
  push me for an hour, I could probably accept it.
• 2:24:29
  So, there's the thing called you doing, ludonarrative dissonance,
• 2:24:33
  which I think you're referring to there, which is the fact I've
• 2:24:37
  seen, Laura is different from gameplay, Laura.
• 2:24:41
  Yeah. And that is certainly an element
• 2:24:44
  here and I would not disagree with that.
• 2:24:48
  I, I'm, I'm a big fan of Uncharted 2.
• 2:24:53
  I admit this part of that is Nostalgia that once I completed
• 2:24:57
  Uncharted one, which I thought was the For the time, I was very
• 2:25:01
  surprised and happily surprised by Uncharted 2 when I played it
• 2:25:04
  at Christmas when it came out. I thought, okay?
• 2:25:09
  Like Assassin's Creed. So they'd really stepped it up?
• 2:25:13
  And I'm like, Assassin's Creed 2.
• 2:25:16
  I feel like it holds up a bit better.
• 2:25:20
  There are there are Peaks and troughs.
• 2:25:21
  There are certainly points that aren't as good as others.
• 2:25:25
  But I still feel like it is generally a very enjoyable game.
• 2:25:31
  This is not the game that I was gonna pitch my tent on protein
• 2:25:41
  that was not a sexual innuendo. I should, I should certainly.
• 2:25:45
  Hope not outrageous. But at the same time, you know,
• 2:25:52
  forward, I've got a bit of a soft spot for these games.
• 2:25:56
  I would be happy for it to sit and the bottom of a, at the top
• 2:26:00
  of B. That's fine, but I'd happily if
• 2:26:04
  you want to put it in a way I won't push against that too
• 2:26:09
  hard. Okay.
• 2:26:10
  Okay. That's that's a nice surprise
• 2:26:11
  and I will put it there. Okay.
• 2:26:17
  Three games left. Bloody hell, we stormed through
• 2:26:19
  this Company of Heroes during this game.
• 2:26:22
  Yeah, I think it's better than Diablo and boulders gay and Surf
• 2:26:26
  and I'd probably put it in C game.
• 2:26:29
  Okay. Is my any other thought?
• 2:26:32
  No I thought it was. All right and I think it's quite
• 2:26:35
  a refreshing, take on a World War 2 game.
• 2:26:38
  See I thought it was decent. So yeah, I'd probably say a see.
• 2:26:44
  Okay, I'm not going to argue with that.
• 2:26:47
  I also I think we had similar feelings about this game when it
• 2:26:50
  when we did it. Yeah.
• 2:26:52
  Yeah, it was, it was a decent. It was a decent World, War Two,
• 2:26:57
  kind of, strategic thing, and quite unique.
• 2:27:01
  Yeah, I think it's a cool game. So this is the game now coming
• 2:27:06
  up. You may know what it is.
• 2:27:08
  I'm gonna let you guess what it is before.
• 2:27:09
  It comes up where I really think that there's a bit of
• 2:27:16
  variability. I will admit that, but I do
• 2:27:19
  believe believe it belongs in the, a or St.
• 2:27:23
  This is the one where we might have the longest conversation.
• 2:27:26
  So what do you think, it'll be. I don't know what's left to be
• 2:27:29
  honest. It's two games, like two games
• 2:27:33
  left. Silent Hill 2 or no, we're not
• 2:27:37
  counting that because that isn't in the list is not included that
• 2:27:42
  poof If I said to you that it was the first game we played as
• 2:27:49
  part of this time just for as part.
• 2:27:52
  Yes, yeah. Yeah.
• 2:27:56
  I know you enjoyed it. Why did time so?
• 2:27:59
  I did enjoy it more this time around which I didn't expect to,
• 2:28:06
  but it's I was thinking about this the other day and I always
• 2:28:11
  talk I think I mentioned it before I always talk about how
• 2:28:13
  much I love the metal gear games.
• 2:28:15
  Yes. But when it actually comes down
• 2:28:17
  to it, I don't like many of the metal gear games themselves.
• 2:28:20
  Yeah. You know, I love mgs1.
• 2:28:24
  I'm not a huge fan of mgs2, I'd or mgs3 mgs4.
• 2:28:30
  I struggle with and mgs5 is the same, and then peace Walker's
• 2:28:36
  kind of its own thing. Nope, he's walk is a separate
• 2:28:40
  thing. Always it is.
• 2:28:43
  Taste of something. Is what that is?
• 2:28:49
  I don't know. We them just for George.
• 2:28:52
  Would you like me? Yeah.
• 2:28:53
  You yes, please. so, I'll be honest, I think I think the
• 2:29:01
  games we played on the first half, we had more in the St.
• 2:29:05
  R. I think, generally speaking, we
• 2:29:07
  had a better spread of games. I think the spread of games in
• 2:29:12
  the second, half of the least, we know we kind of Miss balance.
• 2:29:15
  We had all the choice in the world in the first half, and we
• 2:29:18
  picked, and we kind of left some games for the second half.
• 2:29:22
  We know that we, I think we in future in the, in hindsight
• 2:29:25
  would have done it differently. And in future, we've learned
• 2:29:28
  from this So mgs4 is a very divisive go.
• 2:29:36
  I'm very aware of that. I think chapters one and two.
• 2:29:43
  You can't get any better than them in other MGS games.
• 2:29:46
  They are Elites. I think it's got a lot of solar
• 2:29:52
  Sail by mgs2. I'm just for.
• 2:29:55
  Sorry. Ologies I think.
• 2:30:03
  He gets the later tears. And you've got to buy into that
• 2:30:08
  Narrative of old snake. If you don't buy in, which is
• 2:30:12
  the struggles, like it is, and I will admit that some people will
• 2:30:17
  have some people, won't. You said yourself in the
• 2:30:19
  episode? When we talked about it, you
• 2:30:21
  said that it didn't you did enjoy it more.
• 2:30:23
  One of the problems that you have is that steak has a start,
• 2:30:27
  I hate it and the fact that he doesn't look like mgs1, Snidely.
• 2:30:32
  The well not even that the fact that it doesn't look like big
• 2:30:35
  boss at the end of the game that he doesn't look like the rugged
• 2:30:37
  old snake that you'd expect. Yeah, he looks like a battered
• 2:30:41
  broken old man. That goes to an old man's club.
• 2:30:47
  Yeah. But to me You know, this that's
• 2:30:51
  part of the reason why I love it.
• 2:30:54
  I love old snake and I think it's really important because I
• 2:31:01
  think old snake lends perspective to Young snake and
• 2:31:08
  Will you we're all getting older?
• 2:31:11
  We all become that person. We all become that person.
• 2:31:15
  That is not the person that we remember at University or any
• 2:31:18
  other thing. It's not that person that we
• 2:31:20
  remember in our 20s. We put on weight, we get older,
• 2:31:24
  we get wrinkles where we never thought, we'd get wrinkles.
• 2:31:26
  Our hair goes gray and we don't look like that.
• 2:31:30
  And it's not pleasing and there's no way of sugarcoating.
• 2:31:33
  It and I am 33 in a couple of weeks and temp to some That's
• 2:31:38
  nothing but to me I'm getting to that point where I started to
• 2:31:46
  see these things and growing old is a part of life and it's so
• 2:31:52
  so. So I'm representing in gaming
• 2:31:57
  yet here in Metal Gear, Solid 4, it's embraced and I think that's
• 2:32:03
  really special and I think not only that I will go further than
• 2:32:07
  that the story of old snake, the story of regrets, the story of
• 2:32:13
  chances missed the story of Everything that is to be old. is
• 2:32:21
  personified within this story and I know lots of people think
• 2:32:24
  they could Jima got it wrong, but I think What it was trying
• 2:32:29
  to do, it got right. Snake needs to have that moment
• 2:32:34
  where he crawls through the reactor and he is getting torn
• 2:32:38
  apart. Snake needs to have that moment
• 2:32:40
  where Meryl picks the younger guy.
• 2:32:43
  Sneaky Snake needs to have that moment where he is on the verge
• 2:32:46
  of shooting himself in the mouth.
• 2:32:48
  And it represents the fear in all of us of old age of death,
• 2:32:57
  and maybe I'm being too. Dramatic nothing new but I think
• 2:33:04
  that's really special. And that is not even touching on
• 2:33:08
  the parts of mgs4. The gameplay in mgs4 when it
• 2:33:12
  lets you play is Bella. Yeah, a vast majority.
• 2:33:15
  And that's the problem though, is when it lets you play, Agree
• 2:33:20
  with that. I agree with that.
• 2:33:22
  And and when mgs4, lets you listen to that music and it's
• 2:33:29
  got the sweeping score. And the fact that mgs4 looks
• 2:33:33
  better than the vast majority of games that came out the console
• 2:33:37
  generation afterwards. It's a special game.
• 2:33:41
  Now, before we did this, this was this was one of the only
• 2:33:44
  games I had a bit of a vested interest in and I said to
• 2:33:50
  myself, I would be prepared to accept a, but I'd also be
• 2:33:56
  prepared to accept s. So now I want to hear what
• 2:34:00
  you've got to say. I don't think it's a nice to
• 2:34:04
  game. Like, you've got to MGS games up
• 2:34:07
  in the St, already. You've got mgs3 and mgs1, and I
• 2:34:10
  think they're rightly there, but, and I'm pretty sure when we
• 2:34:14
  talked about them. There wasn't really much
• 2:34:16
  deliberation on whether or not we thought they They were and
• 2:34:20
  the fact that I think there was a bit more on one than yes, but
• 2:34:25
  what? Widely speaking, we both were
• 2:34:28
  like, yeah, we agree with each other on that one.
• 2:34:31
  And I think the fact that, you know, that pushing for a nest
• 2:34:36
  here on mgs4, with me, might be a bit of an uphill battle.
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  Is it kind of gives an answer already as to whether or not
• 2:34:45
  this game between us deserves to be on the Str because I don't
• 2:34:48
  disagree. Video.
• 2:34:49
  And I think this game does do a lot of things that you don't
• 2:34:53
  really see in other games, but at the same time there's just so
• 2:34:59
  much. I think this game could have
• 2:35:02
  been so much more than what it was.
• 2:35:04
  They took it down a really weird route compared to mgs1 2 and 3.
• 2:35:09
  And you know not necessarily in a bad bad, bad way.
• 2:35:14
  I think it was a necessary way. The the impression I get with
• 2:35:18
  this game. Mmmmm.
• 2:35:19
  And you know, kijima has always said every step of the way he
• 2:35:23
  wanted this series to end and he tried to do that with mgs3 and
• 2:35:27
  it didn't work. You try to do with them just to
• 2:35:29
  and it didn't work and mgs4 it really feels like right?
• 2:35:33
  I am done with this. Now I'm putting this to bed and
• 2:35:37
  there's so many weird choices that were made in it though.
• 2:35:40
  I just don't understand why like, the whole thing of
• 2:35:44
  Johnny's Sasaki now Charlie. Yeah, actually ended up.
• 2:35:49
  In Constanta. I agree with, you know, I
• 2:35:51
  actually ended up has been like a main character, like,
• 2:35:55
  ridiculous or for bringing Vamp like, ridiculous.
• 2:35:59
  That doesn't bother me as much. But Johnny, yeah, the whole
• 2:36:03
  thing was Ridin. I didn't really think needed to
• 2:36:06
  be there again. Doesn't bother me so much, but
• 2:36:08
  Johnny gets help. And the whole thing with
• 2:36:14
  emmerich and Naomi weird that I that the whole thing NG with
• 2:36:19
  Sonny too far weird, the whole thing.
• 2:36:22
  Although I liked I told you this time and I said in the episode
• 2:36:26
  one thing that I hadn't appreciated before was Big Mama
• 2:36:31
  and I really appreciated that. It's fine.
• 2:36:33
  It, there are Parts this like, big momma.
• 2:36:36
  I feel she was shoehorned in there to be like, hello, you
• 2:36:39
  remember me, remember me from that game that you're like to
• 2:36:42
  remember either? Well I'm her but it's also
• 2:36:44
  really touching and really quite sweet.
• 2:36:47
  I don't know it. Feels a bit shoehorned in.
• 2:36:50
  I feel that the The enemy, the enemy is the Beauty and the
• 2:36:56
  Beast faction very forgettable and as well as that the back
• 2:37:00
  story behind them after you defeat each and every one of
• 2:37:03
  them drebin being like, Oh, it's misplaced.
• 2:37:06
  Yeah. It's just so, you know that
• 2:37:07
  person that you just absolutely ripped to pieces.
• 2:37:10
  Well actually I tell you what, the person that I thought I'd be
• 2:37:15
  debating with was not you, it's the divisive nature of mgs4.
• 2:37:20
  I know that. People either love it or they
• 2:37:24
  can't stand it or, but I genuinely think I do believe
• 2:37:28
  that it's a, it's positive and negative.
• 2:37:31
  It's a bit of both. Well, before before we played it
• 2:37:34
  again for this podcast, I was very much in the camp of.
• 2:37:36
  I really don't like this game. And after playing it again, I'm
• 2:37:40
  no longer in that camp. I'm now more of a, I don't mind
• 2:37:43
  it. I don't, I don't hate it and I
• 2:37:46
  don't, you know, I don't love it.
• 2:37:48
  I don't think it's Flawless and I know that you don't think it's
• 2:37:51
  Flawless either. Yeah, I'm not.
• 2:37:55
  But blinded, there's just so many elements to this game that
• 2:38:00
  really put me off. And for me, I understand why
• 2:38:06
  you, why you would push for it to be an sto game.
• 2:38:09
  I do get that and I know that you have a lot more reverence
• 2:38:14
  for this guy. Would accept an eight.
• 2:38:16
  Yeah, and I think an 80 is fair. And it's like what I said, when
• 2:38:19
  I kind of launched into this is that With mgs3 it was pretty
• 2:38:24
  much like no doubt. We're going to agree mgs1 a few
• 2:38:27
  quibbles but pretty much agree mgs4.
• 2:38:32
  I think. Like what you said earlier, you
• 2:38:34
  knew that you would need me to give a little bit of a flak on
• 2:38:38
  it if it was going to go into our Soiree and you know what, I
• 2:38:42
  wouldn't even push for it to be in the beat here because this
• 2:38:44
  game is better than mgs2 in my opinion.
• 2:38:48
  Yeah. So I would be happy to put it in
• 2:38:50
  a I think it deserves to be in a It's flawed and I have a lot of
• 2:38:54
  issues with it but because so much right?
• 2:38:58
  Doesn't it as well especially as you get older, maybe maybe
• 2:39:01
  that's why I liked it more this time around.
• 2:39:03
  I mean not that we're particularly old, but there is
• 2:39:06
  very much a Vibe. Isn't there?
• 2:39:09
  When you're in your 30s that you should be in one of the telling
• 2:39:13
  things for me, was when you said about, I was like having a
• 2:39:17
  mustache when you look back at old pictures of yourself, Yeah,
• 2:39:25
  as for me I yearn to look like that again and I yeah she said
• 2:39:31
  be that person again in terms of General I mean and I do part of
• 2:39:36
  getting older is embracing the way you look now and what you
• 2:39:42
  can do. Now to you're never going to see
• 2:39:45
  snake is never going to look like he did an mgs1.
• 2:39:48
  Maybe this is another reason why you and me have different
• 2:39:51
  feelings on this game because So I anyone that anyone that listen
• 2:39:58
  to the podcast it doesn't really know what we do.
• 2:39:59
  We I don't think we've ever really posted many photos of
• 2:40:02
  ourselves on our Twitter account but like we've known each other
• 2:40:07
  since 2011. And that when we're at Uni,
• 2:40:14
  particularly in the first and second year it to be fair, it
• 2:40:17
  was a nickname that I coined for you but people called you Taylor
• 2:40:21
  because They people thought that you had a bit of a resemblance
• 2:40:26
  to Taylor Lautner from from the Twilight films that guy that
• 2:40:29
  plays that I think we're the only thing that I think has
• 2:40:32
  changed about me is yeah, I'm not as think that that's and I'm
• 2:40:38
  on the opposite to you because I think where it's you feel.
• 2:40:41
  As you've got older, you're not as happy with the way you look
• 2:40:44
  anymore. Yeah.
• 2:40:46
  As I've got older, I also feel like I could revert that.
• 2:40:48
  Oh yeah, 100% 100%. And as I've got older, I feel
• 2:40:53
  Like, I've aged better the better than what I was before it
• 2:40:58
  particular. The first and second year of
• 2:41:00
  uni, I I've had a beard since 2013 that I think, you know
• 2:41:04
  better now than you did then and I think yeah, you know in 2013,
• 2:41:08
  I didn't have a beard. I was a better way and I didn't
• 2:41:11
  really know what I was doing with myself or my style.
• 2:41:13
  And as I've got older, I've had a beard since 2013.
• 2:41:16
  I know what looks good on me and I know how to hold myself.
• 2:41:19
  A lot better now. I used to slouch a lot because
• 2:41:21
  I'm so tall. Drama school that got beaten out
• 2:41:24
  of me. And I'm very much, like, I take
• 2:41:28
  into account that I, I'm as tall as I am, and you be proud of
• 2:41:33
  that kind of stuff and maybe that's a reason why you and me
• 2:41:37
  have slightly differing views on on mgs4, perhaps, and Maybe.
• 2:41:45
  Hello listener. This is an editor's note.
• 2:41:49
  It was at this point in the recording that Dan's are
• 2:41:52
  recording equipment. Just stopped going.
• 2:41:55
  So we lost the last kind of 20 minutes of the episode
• 2:41:59
  unfortunately. However, I can confirm that we
• 2:42:03
  put mgs4 in the a tear and the next game that we had covered
• 2:42:10
  for after mgs4, was Unreal Tournament, which you might
• 2:42:14
  remember as saying probably about a year or so ago.
• 2:42:17
  Now Unreal Tournament came on tier see of our tier list so
• 2:42:24
  that was pretty much everything. What we are planning on doing is
• 2:42:31
  next week, we will be releasing our episode on Persona 4, Golden
• 2:42:36
  after that, we'll be taking a week off to put some time into
• 2:42:40
  some of the other games. We've got coming up on their the
• 2:42:42
  week after it will be Tetris effect.
• 2:42:45
  Connected and then sailed up breath of the wild.
• 2:42:50
  So yes, not an ideal way to end our very long episode.
• 2:42:54
  So apologies for that but sometimes technology gets the
• 2:42:57
  best of us. But yes we hope that you've
• 2:43:00
  enjoyed our tier list and you might agree with some things you
• 2:43:05
  might disagree. I'm not sure.
• 2:43:07
  But yeah, give any feedback either on a social media, the
• 2:43:11
  long and short of it podcast or via email the long and short at
• 2:43:14
  podcast. At mail.com but yes, we hope
• 2:43:18
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• 2:43:22
  Persona 4 Golden. In the meantime, take care
• 2:43:26
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• 2:43:19
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• 2:43:24
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