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Dorer the Explorer · Like a Virgin

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  Speaker 1: It's me daughter. It's still giving Mario. That's because Mario
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  Speaker 1: always says, let's go. Oh that sounds a much bita
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  Speaker 1: what kind of name is amer? Oh? My god, the
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  Speaker 1: ice pack resting on my neck right now is dripping
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  Speaker 1: into my cleavance. I can see that we are coming
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  Speaker 1: to you the night after having seen Doctor Strange in
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  Speaker 1: the Multiverse of Madness, and it was so good that
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  Speaker 1: Fran twisted her neck reacting to it in the theater. No,
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  Speaker 1: that's not what it's not. I love when you just
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  Speaker 1: say lies for the sake of it. Well, I love
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  Speaker 1: you love to lie. You'm an antihero, much like Luna Maxima,
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  Speaker 1: and yet you insist on everyone believing women. What kind
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  Speaker 1: of a liar would I be if I didn't want
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  Speaker 1: people to believe the lies? I wasn't convincing anyway, just
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  Speaker 1: like Wanda in the beginning of the movie when she
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  Speaker 1: was giving folklore and then all of a sudden she
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  Speaker 1: was giving evermore. And we're going to talk about it
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  Speaker 1: today because this is like a virgin the show where
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  Speaker 1: we give yesterday's pop culture, literally yesterday, because that's when
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  Speaker 1: we saw the movie. Today's takes I'm rose, Damn you
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  Speaker 1: that every time I sang you exploded died heroes, how
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  Speaker 1: are you? Oh God, I'm so sick of being asked
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  Speaker 1: that question, how dare you know? The vibes are, the
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  Speaker 1: vibes are not quite vibing, the vibes are, vibes are significant,
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  Speaker 1: the vibes are significantly off. But you know what, I'm
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  Speaker 1: really looking forward to, um being in New York this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: By the time this episode comes out, I will be
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  Speaker 1: uh in transit to New York City. UM, because I'm
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  Speaker 1: finally going to be taking advantage of my Christmas gift
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  Speaker 1: from Mixed Frien Toronto got me tickets to see Into
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  Speaker 1: the Woods at New York City Center, which I'm very
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  Speaker 1: excited about. I've been hearing such good things about the production,
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  Speaker 1: starring A One Sarah morellus Bearing starring Sarah Borellis, Neil
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  Speaker 1: Patrick Harris, Heather Headley as the Witch. My God Sarah Barrellis.
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  Speaker 1: When she wrote love Song, she came on this bitch
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  Speaker 1: Matt as hell like she really did you know tweet
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  Speaker 1: again recently because you it's definitely become part of your
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  Speaker 1: um lexicon more as of late. I honestly I don't
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  Speaker 1: know why. I mean, I think it's one of the
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  Speaker 1: funniest tweets in instance, it's it's a Christina. If you
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  Speaker 1: haven't just google, you know Christina bit Matt. Actually think
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  Speaker 1: people don't know what we're talking about. I don't want
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  Speaker 1: them listening to this podcast if you don't know. If
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  Speaker 1: you don't know, you're excommunicated. UM. But yeah, no, I've
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  Speaker 1: been thinking about it that a lot. And I mean
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Brillas. Do you know why she wrote that song? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because she was in love. No, it was because her
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  Speaker 1: label at the time, I really wanted she was like
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  Speaker 1: writing about a lot of things that weren't love, and
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  Speaker 1: her label was like, well, no one's going to really
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  Speaker 1: care about her music until you write about love if
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  Speaker 1: you write a love song. So she wrote she wrote
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  Speaker 1: a song that I'm not going to write you ask
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  Speaker 1: for it, which is her mind. And it is a
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  Speaker 1: very iconic song and it's also very it's very Joni
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  Speaker 1: Mitchell too because Joanie wrote music that was critically acclaimed
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  Speaker 1: but not commercially viable, and her the people in her
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  Speaker 1: camp really wanted her to succeed more commercially and they
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  Speaker 1: were like, you need a song for the radio, Joni,
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  Speaker 1: you need a song for the radio, the radio, the radio.
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  Speaker 1: If it's not in the radio, you don't matter. And
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  Speaker 1: so she wrote you turned me on I'm a Radio
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  Speaker 1: because of that and to basically making fun of capitalism
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  Speaker 1: and like and the radio. We love art that was
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  Speaker 1: created through trolling. UM. So yeah, very excited for Into
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  Speaker 1: the Woods. UM. I was actually gonna tell you if
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  Speaker 1: you want to see a Strange Loop on Broadway, they've
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  Speaker 1: reached out to us. UM recently. Zach Stafford, who produces
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  Speaker 1: that show, said they would love to have us so
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  Speaker 1: I would go see that Friday night. So if y'all
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  Speaker 1: have not heard a Strange Loop, is this amazing, amazing,
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  Speaker 1: very black, very queer show that just raked in the
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  Speaker 1: most Tony's this year as of today of this recording,
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  Speaker 1: UM eleven nominations. As is the case with every Tony season,
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  Speaker 1: there's always like one play that just kind of sweeps
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  Speaker 1: because you know, Broadway is dead. UM, not to of
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  Speaker 1: course devalue the wind in any way. But the Tony's
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  Speaker 1: made history though to nominate the first trans person to
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  Speaker 1: get nominated for an acting nom uh l Morgan. I think,
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  Speaker 1: what's her name? Let me yeah? What else am I
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  Speaker 1: going to do in New York? Well? I have an
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  Speaker 1: Airbnb and bed sty, so hopefully I will turn it
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  Speaker 1: into a sex dungeon um within hours of arriving. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I will be eating a lot of pizza um and
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  Speaker 1: bagels so lots of bread. Generally I'm gonna be there.
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  Speaker 1: Saturday is Charlene's birthday. Charlene and Karnate, who has an
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  Speaker 1: iconic episode of this podcast about Jack a Little Pill.
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  Speaker 1: If you haven't listened to it, you definitely should. Um,
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  Speaker 1: it's Char's birthday, so I need to find out what
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  Speaker 1: she's doing. Um. Hopefully she has some kind of show.
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  Speaker 1: I would love it if she was doing her brunch
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  Speaker 1: with Tyler Ashley baby Tea. Which is if you live
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  Speaker 1: in New York City or ever traveling there, if you
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  Speaker 1: are looking for a daytime drag show where it's literally
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  Speaker 1: like two queens giving shows NonStop for like three or
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  Speaker 1: four hours, broad daylight, daylight, like stomping on the tables
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  Speaker 1: like that is that is the drag show, and you
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  Speaker 1: everyone in the world needs to go at least once.
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  Speaker 1: And it has come a long way since it started
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  Speaker 1: at fucking Bizarre Bushwick. Do you remember Bizarre? Yeah? I do,
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  Speaker 1: I do. This was a mess. I hated it. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know that. I don't know what the venue is now,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, Baby t is I think like legally one
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  Speaker 1: of the eighth Wonders of the worst. It's a um
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  Speaker 1: someplace in Dumbo. It's a restaurant that's owned by some
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  Speaker 1: very nice lesbians and it literally, like Charlene just kind
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  Speaker 1: of like jumps from table to table, you know, doing
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  Speaker 1: like Macavity from Cats. It should not be missed. And
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  Speaker 1: it's like always kind of announced like a little last minute.
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  Speaker 1: So definitely, you know, if you live in New York,
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  Speaker 1: don't miss Baby te Brunch if you have the chance
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  Speaker 1: to see it. And if that's not happening this weekend,
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  Speaker 1: which I think it probably would have already been announced,
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  Speaker 1: I will find some way to see the dolls in
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  Speaker 1: addition to seeing um. Sarah Brellis fran you sent me
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  Speaker 1: a very dangerous text today that I was really with
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  Speaker 1: you about, which is and then I went to check
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  Speaker 1: my email and saw that I had gotten the same
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  Speaker 1: message from you, which is that the Essence private sale
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  Speaker 1: is happening. And I screamed, cried, threw up, took a
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  Speaker 1: ship um, and then through my phone because I'm really
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  Speaker 1: trying to do a no by month. Um. Oh oh,
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  Speaker 1: good luck with that. I've been I've been somewhat successful
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  Speaker 1: so far. I'm just just in that in that single sentence,
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  Speaker 1: I know that you have not been. Um, you're right,
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  Speaker 1: but how much was that person you brought to the
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  Speaker 1: or this? I'm returning it so it doesn't matter. So
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  Speaker 1: are you returning? Returning literally packed in a box? The
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  Speaker 1: private SI looks so good though, like Heaven by Mark
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  Speaker 1: Jacobs is on sale, and like there's some Ghani stuff
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  Speaker 1: that's stop saying it. But I made the chatlow, which
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  Speaker 1: is never ever ever I made. I made. What I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to do is I'm adding things to my wish list.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like being intentional about what I actually need versus
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  Speaker 1: what I just want. Because I did this the last
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  Speaker 1: time Essence had to sail, like two weeks ago, where
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  Speaker 1: I only wanted one thing, and then because the sale
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  Speaker 1: was happening, I bought a ton of other things and
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  Speaker 1: then ended up returning, not liking and returning everything except
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  Speaker 1: the original thing that I bought. They're going to come
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  Speaker 1: for us with the guillotine. No, but we're not rich,
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  Speaker 1: We're just stupid. Um that's so true. Yeah, like we're
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  Speaker 1: we're living outside our means the same way that everyone is. Um. So,
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  Speaker 1: I I'm asked for to do something for me somewhat recently,
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  Speaker 1: which was um, you know, Fran is kind of my
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  Speaker 1: go to person for if I'm like waffling about whether
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  Speaker 1: or not I want to buy something, I will send
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  Speaker 1: a link to them and ask their opinion. The problem
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  Speaker 1: is that I've started just not sending you things because
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  Speaker 1: I know you're going to say no, and I doesn't
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  Speaker 1: buy them anyway. Um. So to find a friend who
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  Speaker 1: can hold you accountable and actually make them hold you accountable.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm going to start doing that. Um I will.
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  Speaker 1: But I've been pretty good and then I have been
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  Speaker 1: not really buying things. I've been returning a lot. And
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  Speaker 1: I also I like made a rule for myself about
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  Speaker 1: getting take out and like eating out, and last week
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  Speaker 1: I cooked or made every meal at home Monday to Thursday.
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  Speaker 1: That's like my new rule. Oh that's joke. I love that.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm going to New York this weekend, so obviously
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  Speaker 1: a lot of this is going out the window. But
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  Speaker 1: it's travel. It's travel. It's vaka, it's gonna have so much.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna have so much fun. And and really for me,
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  Speaker 1: it's more like the not spending is more about saving money.
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  Speaker 1: So as long as I'm like saving the amount that
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  Speaker 1: I want to save every paycheck or every month, like,
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  Speaker 1: then it's all good. And I'm just trying to curb
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  Speaker 1: the shopping impulses so that like I can save more
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  Speaker 1: on top of that. And you know, as long as
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  Speaker 1: you have a plan and a budget and it works
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  Speaker 1: for you, then you're good. You know, Queer people, we
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  Speaker 1: as a community have money trauma, and that money trauma
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  Speaker 1: manifests in an absolutely against all odds, like completely irrational
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  Speaker 1: inability to ever look at our bank accounts, not once.
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  Speaker 1: But you know that I cannot look at my bank
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  Speaker 1: account like to save my life. I look at it
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  Speaker 1: maybe like one s aquarter, and every time it's true.
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  Speaker 1: So I have I have a separate savings account. I
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  Speaker 1: use this app called um digit and what it does
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  Speaker 1: is it not sponsored? Um, but I would love for
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  Speaker 1: it to be. UM. It's an app that tracks your
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  Speaker 1: income and you're spending and automatically takes money out of
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  Speaker 1: your account to add to a separate savings account at
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  Speaker 1: like five days a week, which is great because it's
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  Speaker 1: just like savings that I don't have to think about,
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  Speaker 1: and like that's kind of like my like vacation slush
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  Speaker 1: fund and just like whatever. Like if I ever have
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  Speaker 1: like a like a big purchase that I need to
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  Speaker 1: pull money from something like that's where I'll take it from,
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  Speaker 1: UM and then everything else just get saved. UM. But
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  Speaker 1: every time I open it to like if I want
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  Speaker 1: to pull money out, like notice comes up where it
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  Speaker 1: has like all of the other times I've done that,
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  Speaker 1: and what my bank account balance is and what I
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  Speaker 1: do is I like when I pull it up on
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  Speaker 1: my phone, I like cover the top half of my
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  Speaker 1: phone that I am so I don't have to see
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  Speaker 1: it because like see no evil, speak no evil, and
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  Speaker 1: like honestly like back to the shopping thing, truly, when
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to reconfigures that I shop when I'm bored.
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  Speaker 1: I don't shop because I need things. I shop when
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  Speaker 1: I'm like sitting on the couch and I'm like, what
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  Speaker 1: am I going to do? So I pull up the
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  Speaker 1: Essence app or like go on Nordstrom it and like,
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  Speaker 1: I end up not liking or caring about or actually
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  Speaker 1: using the things that I buy. So I'm just trying
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  Speaker 1: to like break those habits because truly the worst thing
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  Speaker 1: that ever happened to me was that I attained a
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  Speaker 1: level of economic stability where I had more disposable income,
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  Speaker 1: and instead of saving it, I started spending it. So
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  Speaker 1: now I'm trying to tip it in the other direction. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I love that. I really wish I had had that
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  Speaker 1: app because I think if I had been maybe monitoring
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  Speaker 1: my bank a little more or been more mindful about it,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been in New York this weekend with
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: a bouncing credit card. I I my credit card got
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  Speaker 1: declined multiple time and unfortunately, very humiliated. Unfortunate for me.
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  Speaker 1: I got an email from American Express this weekend telling
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  Speaker 1: me my credit limit had been increased. Oh no, but
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: you know what that But you know what that just means?
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  Speaker 1: Like that is good for me. I'm building credit, um
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  Speaker 1: I now have. I'm not like putting anything else on
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  Speaker 1: my credit cards and now just like I have more, um,
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  Speaker 1: I have a lower usage now because of that higher limit.
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  Speaker 1: So I think, I like a lot of this is
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  Speaker 1: really ugly what we're talking about, all the shopping stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But I do think that a lot of people, I know, millennials,
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  Speaker 1: queer people, marginalized folks like we are not taught the
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  Speaker 1: realities of our finances, um in any meaningful way. Um.
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  Speaker 1: You don't learn this in school, you don't learn this
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  Speaker 1: in college. Were thrust out into the into a world
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  Speaker 1: usually with tons of debt um and and I've never
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  Speaker 1: taught how to manage it. So if we can kind
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  Speaker 1: of like like talk about this together and figure these
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  Speaker 1: things out for ourselves, then I think that's a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why we have That's why none of us
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  Speaker 1: have four O one case, none of us have you know,
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  Speaker 1: savings accounts, none of us have like credit, none of
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  Speaker 1: us pay our taxes like we were taught to do
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  Speaker 1: any of this ship um, and we are are the
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  Speaker 1: queer commune basements that we live in. Sure as hell
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  Speaker 1: aren't teaching us either, not that either of us live
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  Speaker 1: in a queer commune basement. But maybe we should start,
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  Speaker 1: but maybe we should start one if you would like
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  Speaker 1: to be part of the like a Virgin Queer commune basement, Um,
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  Speaker 1: slide into our d M s at like Virgin four.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, Actually, while we're at it, can I
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  Speaker 1: just quickly say because we usually say this in the credits,
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  Speaker 1: but like Pride is coming up, which is a big,
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  Speaker 1: and you want to include us on it. But truly,
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  Speaker 1: just like keep listening, keep vibing, and we will have
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  Speaker 1: some surprises for y'all very series. No one would be
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: talking about Doctor Strange two Rwanda because I didn't I
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: never even saw Doctor Strange one, I was like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is the this is one of the marvel things
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  Speaker 1: that I just have no interest in and we'll never see.
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  Speaker 1: And I only even watch Doctor Strange recently because I
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  Speaker 1: knew that this movie was coming out, and I can't
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  Speaker 1: remember how you felt about it, but I really liked it.
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  Speaker 1: I loved it. And I have to say now, in
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  Speaker 1: terms of like the m c U at large, like
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Strange is very high in the ranking of my
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  Speaker 1: favorite superheroes. And also just like imagistically, I think the
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  Speaker 1: visuals of like Doctor Strange's like powers and like the
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  Speaker 1: illusions that and optical illusions that happened, it's very like,
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  Speaker 1: um I spy level, like optic illusions that we're seeing
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  Speaker 1: are really gorgeous. I think the dissonance for me is
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  Speaker 1: that I like Doctor Strange is part of the m
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  Speaker 1: c U. I like the magical part of the m
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  Speaker 1: c U. I don't necessarily love Doctor Strange himself, and
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  Speaker 1: even in this movie, I found him kind of boring
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  Speaker 1: and just like very reactive to everything that was going on,
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  Speaker 1: and like this movie was about Wanda for me, But
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  Speaker 1: I like that he is our entry point into the
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  Speaker 1: more magical side of the Marvel Cinematic universe. I will
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  Speaker 1: also say the jokes for the first Doctor Strange movie,
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  Speaker 1: we're much better for him. I also agree, like I
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  Speaker 1: liked him a lot better in his first movie, and
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  Speaker 1: here he kind of I mean didn't fade necessarily, but
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  Speaker 1: like it was about Wanda. It was it was about Wanda,
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  Speaker 1: and I think some of the So let's I think
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  Speaker 1: before we get into everything, let's give like a kind
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  Speaker 1: of t l d R of just what we thought
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  Speaker 1: of the movie generally. Um, and maybe a loose premise
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  Speaker 1: as well. Um, sure if you can even like you
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  Speaker 1: are the one to do that. Yeah, okay, So loose
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  Speaker 1: premise of the movie is in the chronology of Marvel,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is like basically
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  Speaker 1: kind of a sequel to wand Division the show, um,
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  Speaker 1: and also obviously a sequel to the first Doctor Strange
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  Speaker 1: movie in it Doctor Strange is now you know, uh, well,
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  Speaker 1: I guess actually Okay, So the two things that I
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  Speaker 1: think set this movie up the most are wand Division
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  Speaker 1: and Spider Man No Way Home. Because Doctor Strange in
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  Speaker 1: No Home has had his first run in with the
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  Speaker 1: Multiverse um and did not go well and did not
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  Speaker 1: go well. And so in this movie, Doctor Strange Um
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  Speaker 1: encounters America Chavez, who is a girl with the power
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  Speaker 1: to travel between multiverses, and she is being chased by
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  Speaker 1: what we ultimately find out is Wanda maxim Off the
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  Speaker 1: Scarlet which who wants America's powers so that she can
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  Speaker 1: get to a universe where the children that she created
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  Speaker 1: and lost in wand division um exist. Yeah, and she's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be reunited, yes, these fake children essentially, And so
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  Speaker 1: that drives the whole plot of the movie is Wanda
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  Speaker 1: chasing Doctor Strange in America through various universes, causing all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of mayhem, killing people left and right, truly killing
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: like brutally people like it's cuckoo um. And yeah, I
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: mean in terms of like my overall impressions, I thought, um,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: we went into it. You know, I had read a
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: lot of sentiment that was not very nice. Like I
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: think a lot of Marvel stands were feeling a type
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: of way about the movie and feeling like it didn't
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: live up to the hype. And this movie is also
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I think a year delayed. It was supposed to come
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: out last summer, and so you know, there's a lot
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: of reasons for people to feel like they have been
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: on the edge of their seats for something that promised
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: a lot and didn't get what they wanted. However, I
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: had a ball and I thought, I really liked you know,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: the movie. Um I think that, Um, not to start
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: off sour, because I really did like the movie, but
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I think I came away from it feeling kind of like,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: you know, fine, in the way that I feel about
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of movies, a lot of Marvel movies. Um like, um,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like I think. I sometimes when Marvel
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: movies get super formulaic, I tend to forget a lot
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: of the details and I don't get that invested in
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the characters. And this one was kind of that. But
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: also just like Wandas, like all care about is Wanda,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: and every time she was on screen, which was most
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: of the movie, like I was invested. Yeah, it does.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: It is a movie that really I think maybe some
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: of the criticism is that it is not a movie
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: you can watch as a standalone film, but like, is
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: any Marvel thing something you can watch standalone? At this point, Like,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: you can only understand this film if you have the
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: context of watching wand Division, like some of the things
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I've I've seen people saying or that you know, Wanda
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: is um you know, just like a flat villain and
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: like you don't understand from the movie, like her motivation,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: but like the whole point of Wan Division the TV
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: show was to set up this arc within the m
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: c U. Like her motivation is division Division, And honestly,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: the emotional stakes are not there if you haven't watched.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: And literally all you need is that moment, the first
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: moment Wanda's in the movie when the wand Division theme
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: song like amazing Needles, Oh my god, it was so
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: incredible and so evocative, and immediately I it brought me
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: back to the show and I understood exactly where she
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: is um and you get it, like you get the
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: that show was all about grief and her letting go
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: of her grief for vision, but like I think it
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: did transform literally into these children that she created and
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: when she lost them, like and now that she has
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: all this power at her disposal, She's going to do
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: whatever she has to do to get them back. I
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: would also argue that like most Marvel characters are flat, sorry,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: like and I think that the performances of the prestige
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: stars that they bring into these ship shows and movies
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: are the things that ground the characters and an emotional
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: reality totally well well, Um, Elizabeth Olsen ate this movie
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: absolutely like no question, Like she to me was just
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: as like fierce and complex as she was is in
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the TV show. I think it was kind of unnerving
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to see the level of her villainy as like, what
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: is being set up to make her the big bad
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: of like future movies? I think UM. And I also UM,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I felt like, uh, I don't know if we necessary.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I feel like we saw something new from Wanda too.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I think that's something I appreciate. It is like there
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: was there was like a level of violence, um, and
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: a level of mania from Wanda that you know was
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: unsettling and it felt earned because we've seen glimmers of
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: it before, like in End Game when she you know,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: goes after Thanos and he says like he has no
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: idea who she is and she says, you will um,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: and we saw moments of it. I rewatched the first
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: couple episodes of WandaVision last night, and the moment where
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: she realizes that Monica Rambo has like invaded her world
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: and like turns and like throws her out, like this
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: has all been seated. And I do think that Wanda's
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: level of villainy in this movie is earned by everything
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: we've seen before. Um and it's actually just really fun
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to see the creation of a villain because I think
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: one of the things Marvel does well sometimes and not
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: well others is makes the villains really engaging and fun.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I thought that that's true, and also tries to give
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: them a little bit of depth, like I do think
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: in Infinity War and End Game, Like Infinity War especially,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Fanis is kind of the protagonist of it. Like it
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: really does the work to make you understand why he's
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: trying to kill half the people in the universe. Um.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: And so WandaVision is Wanda's villain origin story and now
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: she's the villain. Yeah, and you know, she's a tragic villain.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: She's an anti hero in a way, but she is
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: the bad guy and we route for her, like she's
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: fully like decapitating people and like blowing their heads off,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: and we're like yes, works, like queen, you know, like
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: it really is that. Um Okay, So we've talked, we
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: we've overviewed the movie. Have you given you really loved it?
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: You liked the movie? Yeah, I liked it a lot.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I thought the pacing was pretty good. It's very short
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: form Marvel movie, which also it's like around two hours,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: and um, I think that's probably good because I wanted
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: more Wanda, which means that I enjoyed every moment she
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: was on screen and never felt like there was too
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: much of her, and and we wanted so much that
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: we did. Yes, in fact, wait in the theater for
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: the post credit scene for both for both post credit
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: scenes like Boo Boo with the fool sitting there humid
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: the humiliating experience of sitting through minutes of rolling credits
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: holding in my piss so that I can watch a
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: less than thirty second clip that basically spits in my face.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Maybe there's another universe where you don't have to piss,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Okay whatever. The post credit scene you know, I don't.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: There's the second post second one is a trolling. It's
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: a direct troll. It was not a slap in the face.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: It was not as bad as when they just rolled
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the Doctor Strange trailer um the Multiverse of Madness trailer
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: from from Spider Man. Um, but it was still insulting. Um.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: And so you know to that, I say, how dare you?
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if I will ever wait for
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: another post credit scene again. There are some things that
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: not not like fully didn't work from me, but that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I think could have been better. Like, as I said,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I found Doctor Strange like a little boring at times.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I just anytime we were spending a lot of time
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: with him, I just kind of wanted to get back
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: to Wanda. I also thought America Chavez was good, um,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: but I think I think she should have just been
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: an adult. I think they should have just aged her up.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why she needed to be a teenager.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I was telling you, bros, I really hate most things
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: that are like here's the story of an adult and
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: a kid, like you know what I mean, Like, I
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: just it's never entertainment. Felt like she had to be
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: a kid, so that Dr Strange felt like he had
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: to protect her. Yes, I mean that said, I think
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: it's really amazing that they're putting America Chavez in the multiverse,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: into the cinematic multiverse. Um. And I have to say, like,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: you know, America Chavez is like a really dope character
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: of recent conception that was the first Latin LGBTQ character
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: to lead a series. The serious was unfortunately you can't
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: sold after one year. But it's written by this phenomenal,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: amazing writer Gaby Rivera. Um and like, I just felt
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: like a comic series. Yes, a comic series. Sorry, sorry
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: paper comics imagine that. Um, But yeah, I felt like
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: it was not something that I was expecting. However, it
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: must be said that America Chavez as a name for
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: a character is cho ch hang levels of offensive. Like
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: it's just not a good name for a character, and
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: it was written by two white guys, So like, I
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: just we needed another name for her. But I do
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: love that she has um lesbian moms yes, who were
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: featured in the movie, although she had immediately killed that
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: talk about barrier games and the m C is like,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: oh my god, look representation and then let's have their
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: own child to murder them because she got stung by
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: a bee. Well, the other thing is was giving Britain.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: It really was, but what they also didn't really address
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: America shop as his own queerness, even though she was
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: wearing a rainbow pin on her dentmitis because she has
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: lesbian moms or is she queer herself. She is queer herself, Yeah,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: she's but they didn't I mean, or maybe she doesn't
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: know that yet in this universe. I don't know. It
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: was just literally never addressed. Um. But I I all
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: so want to say, unfortunately that I don't feel like so.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Chill Gomez, who plays America Shavi Is was amazing, like
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: and maybe it's because it was a movie, Like I
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: do think they're setting her up. I was watching a
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: TikTok last night that was saying that they're setting up
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: a Young Avengers eventual thing that America Javes is like
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: canonically part of as Our Wanda's Children. And I think
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: that's also probably why what um Kate Bishop, who is
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: the new Hawkeye from The Hawkeye Show, is part of
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: so um. I think these are like this is how
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Marvel works, you know, like something is seated in a
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: movie that eventually becomes its own thing like four years later.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I was kind of wishing that they had cast um
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Isabel Myer said instead, who played Dora the Explorer and
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: the the live action Remacha We I mean, wouldn't it
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: be great if Dora the Explorer just was in the
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Marvel stud out of the Universe. They're literally like tentacle
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: demons like coming out of the multiverse. And then all
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's me Donna like and like her
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: powers the backpack or something backpack that I just take
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: a quick as side. Yeah, maybe she sings things in
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: it like hypnotizes people. Yes, okay, okay, I'm I'm writing this, um,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: but I have to say also, um, just as quick
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: as I The Door the Explore movie, the live action
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: remake was amazing, like really underrated Doors performances phenomenal. I
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: lulled on my own in this theater all the way
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: through it. But I don't think it was. I think
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: it was. No, I don't think it was. It was
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: it is, Yeah, okay. I was like, um, have you
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: ever thought about like the slant rhyme of Dora the
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Explorer or It's like you either need to say Dora
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: or the Explorer er, which most people I think say
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: the Ladder. But it's like, I mean, proud of you
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: for that slant rhyme, but it just doesn't sell it.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: My favorite moment was when she goes to attack the
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: place where all the sorcerers are I don't know what
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: the name of it is. And then she's like trying
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: to get past their shields and there's a crack in it,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: and then she like goes and like invades the mind
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: of one of the sorcerers and she just kind of
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: like appears behind him and like comes out to the
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: side and she goes runs. It's so good. It's so
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: and like moments like that to me pulled off a
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: villain that isn't flat, you know what I mean, A
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: villain that is like dynamic, that is like engaging and
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: fund Yeah, and like even though you know, I feel
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: like some of the kind of plot devices in this
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: movie are like kind of like you know, they're just
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: like fine, Like it doesn't it didn't really matter to
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: me because she was selling it and she was witchy,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: which I loved, like I and they I think they
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: made a lot of they put a lot of emphasis
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: on her being a witch and like that being different
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: than the Sorcerer's It's just you know, because like the
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: the idea of a witch has all this like loaded
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: cultural context um and Wanda is very much by the
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: end of this movie, when she finds the temple to
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: her and like the demons and stuff. She is the
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Scarlet Witch, and even I think more so than she
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: was at the end of one division when she's like
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: floating in the air and like transforms into her new outfit.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was just the beginning, and truly early MCU,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: they very much doubled down on the idea that anything
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: magic was just a science that we didn't understand yet,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Like that's always kind of what they said about th
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Um and all this other stuff, but now it's it's like,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: it's literally magic because magic is a huge part of
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the comic books, and Wanda is one of the most
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: powerful magic users specifically in the Marvel Universe comic books
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: and movies, if not the most powerful, which is like,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I guess the question that we're is running through a
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: lot of the minds of people that are now going
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: to be affected by Wanda's like insurmountable power. Yes, because
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: we saw it in this movie, because she cleared everyone.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Every single person who came up against her was not
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: a match for her. The only and again obviously spoilers,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Wanda is the villain and the hero of this movie
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: because she was the only one who could defeat herself.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: It must be said also that while Wanda is enacting
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: this horror and using the powers of the Dark Whole
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: to kill the superheroes of the Illuminati and destroy buildings
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and like chase America Chavez, she is wearing old navy
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: jeans like jeans, babe, like like fully because like she's
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: in mom gear and yeah, like and we are like
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: a thin hoodie like it was. Yeah, And I love
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: when she's chasing them. You can see if she's all
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: injured and like and like, um, it's only like because
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: she's in her mom form, yes, and it's only through
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: sheer force of will that she is able and even
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: still like Christina was like her lowest fat nascune broke.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: She came on this bitch mad as hell. That is
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: very much wan energy exactly want. Yeah, I loved Also,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I love her like black fingers from using the dark hold.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Is that what it is? That what it is because
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: those in one division. Do you think if I go
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: to pampered hands and like, can you make my fingertips black? Literally?
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: I mean that is kind of a beauty trend slash,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Isn't it also like a spiritual thing? Like people, it's
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: probably appropriate we don't need to get into it. Yeah,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: but in the movie, it's supposed to be a sign
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: that that the Dark Hold is corrupting Wanda. It also
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: kind of we also find out it's corrupted Doctor Strange
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: and different universes, but he uses it to kind of
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: help save the day. And it also leads to him
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: getting a third eye at the end of the movie. Yeah,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: which is like the big kind of cliffhanger, I guess.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: And then in the post credit scene, we got we
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: got her, We got Charlie's Throne. Charlie's Throne is in
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: the Marvel universe. I did a little digging on what
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: character she is, so Charlie's is playing clear who is
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: a um apprentice of In the comic book, she's one
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: of Doctor Strange's apprentices and later his wife. So Charlie's
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: is not coming in as like a cameo like she I.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: She I think is going to be a big part
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: of the next phase of Marvel. It's astounding that she
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: is not already in the MC I know. I kind
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: of thought, like, has she been in one of these movies?
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I thought for sure she was in a DC franchise
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: or something that I guess she doesn't. That's crazy to me. Um,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: but she, I mean she. I'm ready for her. I'm
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: ready for her. I'm ready for Harry Styles. I would
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: like to say to get her a better wig. I
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: would like for the eventual movie. I thought she looked
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: actually really really looked good. I loved her purple cut crease.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I'm ready. I hope they bring back John Krasinski. Do
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: you think they're gonna do or do you think they
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: killed him permanently? Kind of feel like it was just
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: a gag. I think it was just for this movie. Well,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I was telling you as well, like the kind of
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: four members of the Illuminati Sons dr X are kind
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: of like marginal I forgot one. One of one of
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: the other members is Peggy Carter, who is in in
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: a couple of different universes. Became Captain America. Well she
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: became Captain Carter instead of Steve Rogers. And when they
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: all die, i'd um, I was just like I was
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: like Captain Uk Tuning Fork Guy Fantastic four member, like
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: these are all Marvel reject superheroes. The way they wanted
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: to kill them was in her old Navy. I don't
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: believe I don't believe in the glorification of murder, but
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I do. What is the Gaga quote, Um, I I
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: believe in the glorification of old navy jeans of Fourth
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: of July discount T shirts and um um she said,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: she said, I don't believe in the glorification of murder.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I do believe in the empowerment of women. That is
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: exactly how I felt watching Wanda kill person after person,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Like I think one of the early scenes when she
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: attacks the sorcerers, she like turned someone to dust. Yeah,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: and it's great. And I think, obviously, and I think maybe,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: um if she's like she obviously thinks that this is
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: all justified in the grand scheme of things. I also
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: think maybe if you are thinking about the multiverse and
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: like all these infinite universes, like these lives are kind
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: of meaningless because there's trillions of zillions of millions of
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: the bavilions of people. I would love to get into
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: the multiverse of it all. Because this movie was hot.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: On the release of everything everywhere all at once, Jamie
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Lee Curtis reminded us, yes, you weren't telling me that
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I need to pull up the basic tl DR. Jamie
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Lee Curtis is dragging UM the Multiverse of madness, saying
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: that it's a flop and that everyone should go see
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Everything Everywhere, All at Once instead, which is like these
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: movies have nothing really to do with each other outside
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: of being multiverse movies. All these sidelines are saying, Jamie
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Lee Curtis starts feud with with Doctor Strange. Not so
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: she so, she said, Is it just me? Does it
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: seem strange that our tiny movie that could and did
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: and continues to do number one movie in America and
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: is true truly marvelous out marvels any Marvel movie they
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: put out there. And then she tagged, um, everything Everywhere,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: all at once. Um, that's barely everything everywhere all at once.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: UM has a deep beating heart and brilliant visual treats
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: as well as extraordinary performances and fantastic beastly fight scenes.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: And it costs less than the entire Craft service budget
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: on Doctor Strange and or any other Marvel, which I'm
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: sure is true. There's no reason to put them against
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: each other tv H, but it is obvious. I mean,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: no one's gonna say that Everything Everywhere, All at Once
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: is like not as good as like the Doctor Strange movie.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: You know, I would say, like it's a better movie.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Yes it's a it's a fundamentally better movie. But there
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: it's it's apples and oranges. Apples and oranges, but any
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: different universes. But anyways, the reason I invoke everything everywhere
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: at once is because I kind of want to examine,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: like the function of a multiverse when it like is
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: in these like cultural objects. Because they also just watched, um,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: the first season of Russian Doll for the first time.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I had never watched it. I tried watching the multiple times.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Did you ever watch it? I don't remember anything about it,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: but basically that I remember the premise. But Russian Doll
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: is like, um, it's like um groundhog Day, but kind
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: of girl bossy, you know, like it's like I wake up,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I kind of live the same day over and over
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: again and die in in conspicuous ways. And she finds
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: her kind of a match es. Basically, she finds someone
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: who is going through the same thing, and they try
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: to figure out together why they're stuck in this kind
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: of groundhog Day scenario. But they do encounter a kind
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: of multiverse where in many different cells are going throughout
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: their days and dying in different ways, and they're trying
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: to together figure out why this is happening and what
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: the consequences of their actions are in each universe that
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: they kind of decided to do stuff in UM we're in.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that when I like pull
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: these all together, it's like the multiverse in something like
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I think the the thematic question of the multiverse in
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Russian doll is kind of like how do you um
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: reconcile trauma? I guess trauma to to talk in a
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Jamie the Curtis way um through like living through past
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: selves or trying to think about you know, future selves
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: or like other universes or whatever. It's kind of a yeah,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: it's about like the reconciliation of trauma. And then with
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: maybe everything everywhere all at once, it's more about like happiness,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: like fundamental happy. I think everywhere, everything everywhere, all at
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: once is about choices and how the choices we make
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: have all of these different implications on our life um
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: and can lead us down all these different paths, and
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: like it's very human to think, what if I had
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: made this choice, where would I be? UM? And I
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: guess I would say in Doctor Strange, like the multiverse,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I'd no, there's not. I think we can be generous
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: and find like a deeper thematic meaning, but like it's
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: not really there. It's a plot device. It was very
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: similar to everything everywhere all at once. Thematically, It's like if,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: how if you could be happy in another universe, would you?
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: But I think with with Doctors, with the Multiverse of Madness,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: it was kind of more about grief because he was
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: mourning the loss of his lover and Wanda's mourning the
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: loss of her children, and they're trying to figure out
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: if this bizarre universal like plot twist that they can
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: manipulate is something that can you know, heal that. Yeah,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: they they're really just looking at the multiverse as a tool.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: They're looking to escape their own lives into something else,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: and they don't care about about the repercussions of that.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Because even early on in the movie, someone I forget who,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's Doctor Strange, maybe it's America. Shavas asked Wanda, well,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: when you get to that other universe, what are you
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: going to do to the other Wanda, And she never
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: answers it, and like we do find out, like she
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: abandons that other Wanda in the weird like middle dimension,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: the purple middle dimension. Um, she doesn't really care about
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: her other selves. And it's because really, I think, as
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: we learn at the end of the movie, like Wanda
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: like kind of hates herself and she thinks that having
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: all these external things, having her children will heal her
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: in some way. And then that's why like another version
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: of herself giving her that grace and that reassurance is
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: I think what ultimately like lets her let go of
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: all this pain and and see the pain that she
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: has caused and be like no more. And I think
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: that pain and the emotional stakes of the movie, I
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: think I kind of I am seeing now more and
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: more why people didn't like this movie, because if you haven't,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: like one division to me is about grief like period,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: Like the whole the whole arc of the show is
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: about her dealing with and coping with and learning how
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: to I guess Navigator circumnavigate like what grief feels like
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: and how the denial that comes with that. And this
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: is like being the final stage of that overcoming grief
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: feels a little flat because it's only one stage as
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: opposed to the entire um. The entire like trials and
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: tribulations she had throughout Westview. Yeah, well you just can't
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: fit that all in a movie. And like the movie really,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: you know, the movie is Doctor Strange and the Multiverse
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: of Madness. Wanda is not the star of it, even
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: though she is the star of it. And you know,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: maybe Wanda will get her own movie eventually. Maybe in
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: the next version of whatever The Avengers is, Juanna will
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: be the fanos. I don't really know. It's interesting because
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: you know, against spoiler alert, the movie ends with Wanda
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: seemingly dying. She destroys this temple and like it collapses.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Obviously didn't she didn't die. She's coming back in some way. Um.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: I do still hold out hope that she will be
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the link to Mutants because we know that that X
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Men is coming into the m c U and Wanda
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: obviously is a huge part of X Men and like
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: mutant she is, Yeah, Wanda, because she's Wanda originated an
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: X Men. She's the daughter Wanda. Wanda is the daughter
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: of Magneto. She and she's the daughter of Magneta. Yeah.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: She and Pietro, her twin brother, are both mutants and
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: there have been lots of theories about like because there's
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: a really iconic comic book series called House of m
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: in which Wanda alters reality by saying no more mutants. Um,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: And so people like we're theorizing that maybe in Wan
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Division she was going to create mutants or you know,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: but obviously, like we're seeing in Wan Division that somewhere
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: in the Marvel multiverse mutants exist because because we have
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: professor X. Did you ever read Cheryl straight like advice columnist?
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: She wrote Dear Sugar. She also wrote, um sure that
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: movie that Reaese Witherspoon was in, Yes, while thank you Phoebe.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Um okay, So she used to be like one of
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: my favorite writers. And she has this essay where she
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: talks about a ghost ship life, which is essentially like,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: you know, as you go down the path of your life,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: or rather the sea of your life, it splits ways
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: when you make a choice, and one of those ships
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: is a ghost ship that you maybe think about like
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: if I had gone to this college, if I had
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: had a baby, if I had decided to marry this
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: person or whatever. And um, I feel like that is
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: something that we all thematically deal with, um, Rose, what
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: is like your primordial ghost ship. Well, I hate to
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: be really obvious, but what if I had a transition?
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Really that I think about it all the time. And
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I don't mean to get like deep and emotional on
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: this podcast where we're talking about a Marvel movie, but
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: you know, um, transitioning for me, and I think for
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of people is a choice that you make.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I absolutely could have lived the rest of my life
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: not as a woman without medically transitioning. Email. Yeah, And
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: it is the most active thing I have ever done
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: in my life. It was the most active choice I've
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: ever made. It's something that once I admitted to myself
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: that I was a woman. Um, because I think a
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: lot of different people have different experiences of transnis and gender,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: and some people really do feel like they're like we're
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: born in the wrong body, blah blah blah all these
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: other things, and like, you know, I don't want to
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: go like too deep into my experience of gender, but
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: there was a moment in my life where I had
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: had this realization about myself and I knew that there
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: were two pasts in front of me, and one of
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: them is um, you know, following through on this and transitioning,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: and one of them was not. And I do think
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: a lot about what my life would be life if
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I hadn't made that choice, and I think, I that's
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: kind of dangerous um and and it's honestly a choice
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: that I don't I truly don't think I ever could
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: have made, because I know myself enough to know that
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: once I had um admitted that to myself, I never
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: could have been happy in any other life. But it
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: is a fucking trip to think about, you know. I mean,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: like it's I know, Wanda and the multiverse of gender
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: like would watch um, But I yeah, I feel like
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: there is definitely especially when it comes to gender stuff,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: and especially when it comes to like how culturally we've
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: conflated like medical transition with like the experience of transnis,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: which like are not like you know, intrinsically linked because
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: it's it's a it's kind of a given that if
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: you were trans, you will transition um. And that's not
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: everyone's experience. Not everyone has the privilege to be able
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: to transition um. And I don't think you need to
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: medically transition to be trans. It was a choice that
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I had to make, and it's like not always helpful
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: or like productive for me. To think about, like the
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: what if of if I hadn't and like I don't
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: want to live in that universe, but I don't know
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: if I was given the chance, would I at least
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: want to like peek at it and see what it
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: would be. That sounds really dangerous because like obviously life
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: is so much easier as a SIS person and not
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: that like in this like whatever if I have these superpowers,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: if I like found that out, Like what if I
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: had the power to change it? I don't, I don't.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: I don't even want to know if that's something I
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: would even consider, Yeah, because it's like it's like torturous,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: it's so dangerous. And that's why I like, even as
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: a thought exercise, this feels it feels really weird. Um,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: But I do think it's it's like important for me
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: for me to say because I like, I know that
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of queer and trans people listen to this
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: podcast that like it is activating your identity like living
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: your truth blah blah blah, being on your journey whatever. Um.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: You know, forming yourself out of clay in the way
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: that queer and trans people do is a choice you make, um,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: and something that you have a lot of agency in
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: and if you are able to do that, like, that's
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: so fucking cool, um that we get to make ourselves.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: And of course you're always going to think about the
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: what if, what if lots of things, um, and just
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: know that you're not alone in that. Yeah, I feel
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: like a lot of like what you're talking about is
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: like a big reason why it's like so difficult, whether
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: later in life or when you're not necessarily on a
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: kind of binary spectrum of transnus, like on the needle
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: of transnis between like boy and girl. Like we usually
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: think it's like either all boy or all girl, or
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: like directly in the middle, and like some people are like, actually,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: you know, in between those kind of two spots. And
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: like for me, when I think about like my transniss
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: or like where I am on the spectrum, I feel
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: like my ghost ship is like if I had had
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: access to trans stories at all in any form when
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: I was young, would that have changed who I am now?
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Because now I'm at a place where, like medically, transitioning
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: in any way sounds relate taxing and heartbreaking. And now
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: that we are lucky enough to have models of transnis
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: that don't necessitate medical transition. I feel like there's a
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: version of me that I can be. But like you know,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: I was like in first grade, like writing in my
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: journal that like I'm a girl or whatever, and like
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have Yeah, exactly knows where we
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: would be because the thing is, I transition at the
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: point in my life. I did it because it was
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: the advent of transvisibility, and all of a sudden it was, Oh,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: this is something I could actually do. There are mechanics
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: for it, and I am the same in that when
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: I was like one of the most validating parts of
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: my transition, and like coming out to my family was
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of people in my family saying, oh, you
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: always told us that when you were a kid that
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: you were a girl. And it was like great to
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: feel like I wasn't like gaslighting myself in my own
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: mind so that I had had that experience, because of
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: course I have a lot of memories of that, but
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: to have the outside validation of it, um was really
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: important to my transition. And who knows if when I
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: was a kid and I had told them I'm a girl,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: if they had understood what that means the way that
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: parents today do who knows who I would be, you know,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: I mean. And meanwhile, my my first grade bully, Charlie Crupp,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: which is a very good bully name, by the way,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: I found my journal that said I am a girl
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: and like read it to my entire music class in
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: first grade. And then I think my my parents eventually
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: found the journal too, and we're like, what the funk is?
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Like they may I just was, at a very early
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: age made to believe that like what I was thinking
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: about my gender, which like you know, was probably just
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: a latent understanding of like my gender fluidity, and like
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: who I am now was totally like pushed and pushed
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: and pushed under like all of this shame. And it's
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: like if that had never happened, you know, who would
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: I be now? I don't know, but I do think
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: just as you're saying, like to all the little virgins
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: out there who are thinking about this like it, don't
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: flatten your ideas of transness, and don't like overthink the
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: medicalization of transnis and don't like pressure yourself, you know,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: to fit into a certain box or two mirror exactly
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: what you see on screen, like your journey is your own,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: and like all you can do is you know, talk
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: to loved ones about it and keep journaling about it
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: and you know, but don't live a life of regret.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: And like, as I said, once I the the night
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: and I can pinpointed to a specific night, like the
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: night that I admitted to myself that I was a woman. Um,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: and like knew that there was no going back from that,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Like I could have gone back from that, and I
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: think I would have lived a life of regret. And
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I I think, like in the what if of the
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: multiverse of it all, like I don't think that's a
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: path that anyone wants to be on of like having
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: lived a life looking back and saying what if I
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: hadn't like lied to myself or like whatever, you know,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: I I don't think, like it doesn't have to look
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: the same for anyone. But um, if you're thinking about
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: it enough, it's worth pursuing. Like I've been thinking about
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: my like be being trans like every single day for
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: the last two years. And like if you feel like,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: you know, you could push a button and like you know,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: feminize your face or like you know whatever, like do
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: all the things that you need to do, right, Like
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: if I was Wanda and I could and I could
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: go to it, and I could go to a different
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: universe where like I started HRT when I was like
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: four years old. How do you that that other person
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: is like, you know, we are we are burying you,
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: We are burying you under that bunker with Professor X
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: and snapping your neck my hairline, snatched my eyes. Yeah. Wow,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: how did this discussion about like the popcorn movie of
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: the summer turn into like a very like let me
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: tell you it was of mysid, It was of my design, babe.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I knew exactly what I was doing. Anyways. My ghost
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: ship was not chasing my ex boyfriend to a shitty
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: state school, UM, which I wish. I'm glad to wish. No,
• 55:00
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