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#377: Processing Emotions, Financial Anxiety · Pod Therapy

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  Speaker 1: How much I can. Yeah, now do you also go
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  Speaker 2: Congratulations on all your high roll.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome for the financial Yeah, it's tune.
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  Speaker 1: In for all the financial advising bills again.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you were living free over two.
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  Speaker 4: from the Turn That's Jim, that's Whitney on Nick, It's
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  Speaker 4: time for some pod therapy.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome everybody to mad Marchness. If you'd like to find
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  Speaker 2: We also name who is in the up ten rankings
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  Speaker 2: among our listeners. A lot of exciting things.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry we did not get to this in the
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  Speaker 4: Patreon part of the show. Our community has been very
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  Speaker 4: active with this microwave active.
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  Speaker 1: As an understatement.
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  Speaker 2: They opened an entire fucking channel in the Science the
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  Speaker 2: fuck Problem we've got some there's some very sern physicists
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  Speaker 2: are working on this in our chat, like this ship
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  Speaker 2: is very intense.
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  Speaker 4: We've got some real scientists who took some time off work.
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  Speaker 1: To work on this.
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  Speaker 2: They stopped solving quantum ship because they were like, no,
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  Speaker 2: we got to get to the bottom of this popcorn BULGEP.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm feeling pretty validated.
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  Speaker 2: H yeaheah, I did not. I wrote down some notes
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  Speaker 2: so special thanks to David Sorensen, staple gun One, Andrew
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  Speaker 2: lang Mead and Alec Lancaster who all altogether fucking went
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  Speaker 2: ham on this.
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  Speaker 5: Oh and we should say, if people don't listening for
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  Speaker 5: the first time or they missed it, what is the experiment?
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  Speaker 1: What was the theorem? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: The theory is is that you shouldn't that the center
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  Speaker 4: of the microwave is the cold spot.
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  Speaker 5: So the microwave rotating tray is the worst place to
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  Speaker 5: put your.
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  Speaker 4: Because you've got peaks and valleys of the waves that
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  Speaker 4: are hitting each other and canceling each other out. So
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  Speaker 4: that's the least amount of heat generated right there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: so you should put your food towards the outside.
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  Speaker 2: So they created spreadsheets and replicated in perfect science. It's
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  Speaker 2: in an entire thread under episodes just called the microwave experiment.
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  Speaker 2: And so they posted all their screenshots of all their spreadsheets.
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  Speaker 2: Basically the many experiments that were run included using water
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  Speaker 2: in an official pod therapy ceramic mug and positioning it
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  Speaker 2: in different places and then taking the reading of that
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  Speaker 2: temperature of the water. Then they did cheese. They upgraded
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  Speaker 2: to cheese to try on something. It's some kind of
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  Speaker 2: content to it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I feel like cheese is worse. They melted cheese.
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  Speaker 1: It was like parmesan.
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  Speaker 2: And then they posted photos of like here's the cheese
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  Speaker 2: in this position, here's the cheese in that position. Okay, so,
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  Speaker 2: and then there was there's also a lot of like
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  Speaker 2: like scholarly. They also did a lot of reading, getting
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  Speaker 2: into the manuals and like looking at how these things work.
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  Speaker 2: So Alec ultimately posted this as what has, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 2: become the official conclusion. And here's what Alec wrote. He said,
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  Speaker 2: imagine the scenario where microwaves are just kind of shitty
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  Speaker 2: in general and have uneven fields inside of them. If
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  Speaker 2: your food is on the outer edge of the plate,
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  Speaker 2: it sweeps through more space within the microwave, which averages
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  Speaker 2: out the shittiness of the field. But if your food
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  Speaker 2: is in the center of the microwave, it is stuck
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  Speaker 2: in that position and whatever shitty field befalls it there.
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  Speaker 5: This is.
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  Speaker 1: A microwave theory that I can get behind. Yeah, this
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  Speaker 1: makes more swave.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe there's they're all kind of shitty and they're just
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  Speaker 2: pinging waves in every direction. And so if it's moving
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  Speaker 2: on the long arc of the outside plate, sure it's
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  Speaker 2: it's touching a whole lot of waves in a lot
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  Speaker 2: different directions, it's probably gonna get a better average. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Whereas if it's in the center, it's getting beamed with
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  Speaker 2: whatever waves hitting it in some microwaves that will make
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  Speaker 2: it way too fucking hot, and some microwaves will make
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  Speaker 2: it way too fucking cold. And another thing that I
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  Speaker 2: saw in the data was this discussion of like convection
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  Speaker 2: heat or something with that effect of like it'll still
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  Speaker 2: warm the outsides. First it's gonna hit the outside and
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  Speaker 2: then that's gonna get hot, and then that's gonna send
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  Speaker 2: heat inward toward the center of.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever the object is.
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  Speaker 2: So the objects are still gonna absorb heat from the
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  Speaker 2: out to the end, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I looked at this a little more.
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  Speaker 5: I look at my microwave because Nick asked questions about
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  Speaker 5: my microwave. Last, because I did my own scientific research.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, before any of these come lately.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe is what we call them over it, sir, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: talk about your degrees.
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  Speaker 5: I also have a PhD. Then I won fair and square,
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  Speaker 5: earned it twice.
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  Speaker 1: Bitches. How many of you won? Yeah? You earned what
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  Speaker 1: one or two? Who cares with your mat Yeah? I
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  Speaker 1: mine with cunning. Yeah, but yeah, I look at mine.
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  Speaker 1: I measured. I tried it again this week.
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  Speaker 5: I tried because last time I did two mugs of water,
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  Speaker 5: measured the temperature of the mugs of water, put one
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  Speaker 5: in the center and one on the edge, and then
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  Speaker 5: the difference between the two of them was pretty negligible.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yes, and I have a theory about that.
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  Speaker 5: Well then, but so this week I did it with
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  Speaker 5: a mug of water, put it in the middle.
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  Speaker 1: Because some people said that it was uh, some people
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  Speaker 1: didn't here.
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  Speaker 5: It might have been Nick, I don't remember who it
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  Speaker 5: was that I was messing it up by putting two
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  Speaker 5: things that they're at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so this time I did.
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  Speaker 5: Poured the water into the cup, measured it, uh, put
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  Speaker 5: that in the microwave in the center another cup. Measured
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  Speaker 5: that and then after letting the microwave come back down
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  Speaker 5: to room temperature, so let it, let it sit there
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  Speaker 5: for a while.
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  Speaker 1: Put the next one in on the edge. Did that one.
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  Speaker 5: There was a temperature difference after two minutes of microwave
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  Speaker 5: on high on both of them. There was like a
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  Speaker 5: three degree difference between the two. There is a negligible.
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  Speaker 6: Difference what I was thinking after But I think I
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  Speaker 6: might have a nice I think though the other mistake
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  Speaker 6: that was made, I don't want to say mistake.
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  Speaker 4: I would say if I if you're submitting this for
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  Speaker 4: pure reviews as you are, I retek as you will.
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  Speaker 4: Ye is that I think a mug of water is
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  Speaker 4: too big. Okay, I think the cold spot is smaller
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  Speaker 4: than the mug, so it's still gonna the water on
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  Speaker 4: the inside of the mug, but on the outer edges
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  Speaker 4: of it are is still going to heat up, which
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  Speaker 4: is going to heat up the entire thing.
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  Speaker 1: I just have a decent microwave. Yeah, that's what I
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  Speaker 1: That's what I decided that I think.
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  Speaker 2: I think that your construction worker forgotten microwave.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe isn't good.
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  Speaker 4: I just think that whatever, they didn't buy it either.
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  Speaker 1: They probably.
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  Speaker 4: This microwave has been through many people say, like a
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  Speaker 4: rain on detector in this thing, like maybe.
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  Speaker 1: Carbon monoxide detector in the house.
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  Speaker 2: Just check ot it.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe maybe a picture of the room is vincent when
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  Speaker 5: using the microwave.
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  Speaker 2: So if you've been on the edge of your seat
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  Speaker 2: really wanting to get to the bottom of the microwave stuff,
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  Speaker 2: now's the time. Go to the discord patroon dot com
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  Speaker 2: slash therapy. When you sign up for as low as
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  Speaker 2: a buck, you automatically get into the discord. We have
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  Speaker 2: a whole channel. I'm still posting as we speak. I
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  Speaker 2: see they are posting photos right now.
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  Speaker 5: The cheese said said that it was because of just
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  Speaker 5: just shitty microwaves.
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  Speaker 2: I think alex hypothesis, as he summarizes all the data,
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  Speaker 2: is that all microwaves are just kind of shitty.
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  Speaker 3: I think I'm with Alex Lancaster.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Alec, yeah, Alex.
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  Speaker 2: I think that he's like he's just spraying waves in
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  Speaker 2: every direction. There's not a lot of rhymeriies into this
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  Speaker 2: and the arc theory average is better than being stuck
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  Speaker 2: in one spot. Nothing would make me happier than to
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  Speaker 2: hear that people are joining Patreon in order to contribute
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  Speaker 2: to the science.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody is doing that. You can join the conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody is listening and they're like, fuck, this is why
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to give them month, just so I can
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  Speaker 2: show up the data and tell them what they're doing
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  Speaker 2: wrong and get this figured out.
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  Speaker 3: Because just random melted cheese, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, they noticed that there are striations melted, and so
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  Speaker 2: now they're using the cheese in one big pattern to
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  Speaker 2: notice where are the microwaves melting like this.
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  Speaker 1: It's getting really detailed in the good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And I asked them. I went into the chat. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, hey, guys, can I get a summary of this?
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  Speaker 2: We're going to read on the show to a person.
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  Speaker 2: They ignored the fuck out of me, kept doing the
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  Speaker 2: science ship what I do like some politicians sticking his
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  Speaker 2: head and they're like, NASA, can I get a reading?
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  Speaker 2: They're like, we don't answer to you, ship. We got
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  Speaker 2: science to do. Nobody gives a damn what you think, Senator.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, So Pedron dot com slash therapy, you can
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  Speaker 2: come dial into all this great data. I'm sure we
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  Speaker 2: will have more updates as epiphanies are reached and as
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  Speaker 2: new sciences is begat So.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. I am learn microwave.
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  Speaker 4: It did, though, we should be considered I think the
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  Speaker 4: number one microwave science pods.
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to know who number two is. I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody's else. Nobody's doing this kind of ship. Nobody's
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  Speaker 2: doing hard science on it. Other podcasts they're explaining how
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  Speaker 2: microwaves work. They're not currently double checking the science of
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  Speaker 2: the modern microwave. Are you at Neil deGrasse Tyson? Fucking Neil,
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  Speaker 2: go do your star talk. You know that we've got
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  Speaker 2: this thing. We got the corner of your market. We're
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  Speaker 2: coming in therapy podcasts, my ass, we're branching out anyway
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  Speaker 2: back to the therapy shit. So we've got some great
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  Speaker 2: questions for today, and we're leading off the order with
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  Speaker 2: our old pal University Jeff.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, the AI on Google.
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  Speaker 5: When I don't know why we didn't do this before,
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  Speaker 5: I just typed in, should I put my food on.
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  Speaker 1: The edge of the microwave tray? Okay? Into Google?
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  Speaker 5: That Google AI says yes, placing the food on the
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  Speaker 5: outer edge of the microwave tray rather than the center,
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  Speaker 5: can help ensure more even heating and faster cooking because
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  Speaker 5: the microwaves are more consistent and energy intents there.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, so Google agrees with it.
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  Speaker 2: Google agrees these days anytime I ask you a yes
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  Speaker 2: or no question, or like a should I question, it
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  Speaker 2: is so politically terrified ah that it's like.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I mean, is this happening, Like, what's
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  Speaker 2: going on with this? Nobody knows? You should just go
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  Speaker 2: ask your senator. People are saying, yeah, it's so scared
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  Speaker 2: to give me an answer. So I'm surprised you got
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  Speaker 2: one on the microwave fas I'm sure it would be like, well, look,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we don't want to get into this stuff anyway.
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  Speaker 2: University Jeff writes, it's about processing emotions as an adult.
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  Speaker 2: Hello pop therapy friends, I heard that your reservoire of
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  Speaker 2: questions is running low, So I'm emerging from my lurker
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  Speaker 2: hole to answer the call for once. I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to talk about my ongoing relationship troubles. Rest assured they
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  Speaker 2: are still happening. My hopes back, my hopes keep getting raised,
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  Speaker 2: only to be dashed. My heart keeps getting shattered, and
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  Speaker 2: I keep putting it back together to get back out
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  Speaker 2: there and find my special someone. Lots of lowercase T
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  Speaker 2: trauma going on. I've gotten into journaling recently by purchasing
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  Speaker 2: a new guided journal to help me grow as a
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  Speaker 2: person for not only myself but future partners. I've found
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  Speaker 2: the prompts helpful, though difficult to process, as these are
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  Speaker 2: things I don't normally think about. Here are some prompt examples.
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  Speaker 2: What would you do if you knew you could not fail?
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  Speaker 2: How do you want to be remember? What is something
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  Speaker 2: you want to learn or master? How would you describe
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  Speaker 2: yourself to a completely unknown person. At the same time,
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  Speaker 2: I'm filling out my yearly evaluation for my job, reflecting
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  Speaker 2: on what I've done, what I hope to accomplish next year,
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  Speaker 2: In any long term goals I have for my career,
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  Speaker 2: I never really gave that much thought either. I've basically
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  Speaker 2: gone where my desire for a fun and challenging work
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  Speaker 2: environment has taken me. I've worked in food service, retail
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  Speaker 2: call centers, summer camps for kids, university housing, and now
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  Speaker 2: university ride share programming. The other night, something clicked in
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  Speaker 2: my head as I was listening to running on empty
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  Speaker 2: in my bed and basically, shit up, shut up, maybe
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  Speaker 2: let's go motion. I shit up from my pillow, sat
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  Speaker 2: and realized that I was never really taught about reflecting
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  Speaker 2: on my emotions, choices, or stuff like that. For my parents,
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  Speaker 2: I was raised in stating to the bathroom oor, that is,
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  Speaker 2: shitting on your pillow not a good choice. I was
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  Speaker 2: raised in stereotypical boy fashion where emotions, specifically crying, were
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  Speaker 2: not acceptable, so I was taught to numb them or
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  Speaker 2: hide them with video games, sports, and food. Eureka, no
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  Speaker 2: wonder that I struggle to journal or write my yearly evaluations.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how to process my emotions, let alone
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  Speaker 2: think about them. I'm sure this guy to journal will
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  Speaker 2: help me in the end, since I just started and
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  Speaker 2: needed to develop that muscle. And that leads to my questions,
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  Speaker 2: what books, articles, videos, or other materials would you recommend
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  Speaker 2: I engage with to help me learn how to process
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  Speaker 2: my emotions? How would you recommend someone start journaling so
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  Speaker 2: they can be successful in achieving an emotionally healthy life?
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  Speaker 2: Thanks all, University, Jeff So.
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  Speaker 4: The typo reminded me of something a really funny story
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  Speaker 4: my internship. My second year in my masters, I was interning.
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  Speaker 4: I was a like executive assistant kind of for executive
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  Speaker 4: director of a treatment center.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so like yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So anyway, as in my office, he was in the
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  Speaker 4: office next door. Now, he was blind, and so he
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  Speaker 4: had on his computer it would read to him basically,
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  Speaker 4: and so he was just checking his email and whatnot,
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  Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, he just bust it out,
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  Speaker 4: laughing and he's like, Nick, come in here, come in here.
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  Speaker 4: So I went in there and he's like, can you
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  Speaker 4: please read this and tell me? Does it say what
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  Speaker 4: it says that it just said? And it was an
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  Speaker 4: email from a public defender to him, and he's like
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  Speaker 4: he's like, read the signature line. Read the signature line.
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  Speaker 4: So it's like, okay, I read through it and I
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  Speaker 4: just read through it quickly. He's like, yeah, it's funny.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, read the title. Does the title say what
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  Speaker 4: I think it says? And so I read through and
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  Speaker 4: I looked closer. I was like, oh, yeah, it does
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  Speaker 4: say pubic defender boy on a signature line that had
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  Speaker 4: prime been there for years. Yes, yes, never meant.
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  Speaker 5: Wow, I do my job well, and people don't complain pubic.
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  Speaker 7: That's like Peter texted me the other day and I
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  Speaker 7: tapped the over the sound speaker thing and it was
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  Speaker 7: like he was saying he was on Las Vegas Boulevard
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  Speaker 7: and it said he is on fifty Boulevard and I
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  Speaker 7: was like fifty. I was like, what is this LV?
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  Speaker 7: I couldn't figure out what he was trying to say.
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  Speaker 7: I'm like, fifty boulevard. I was like, how is this getting?
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  Speaker 1: Like? LV is okay, roman numeral red?
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  Speaker 3: Why would you think just say LV?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, that was a weird one.
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  Speaker 2: With the other day, capital L, capital V. I know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm kind of on the AI side on this. Well,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for writing in, Jeff, yep, good luck with that.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds like you didn't fifty five or maybe I think
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  Speaker 1: L is fifty.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, L is fifty, LV is fifty five, and.
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  Speaker 1: It's okay, okay, I don't know what.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know numerals, so don't ask me that.
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  Speaker 2: So things that you can listen to im part or
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  Speaker 2: participate that makes sense that especially break down. I think
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  Speaker 2: accessing male emotions and processing them and learning how to
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  Speaker 2: language them. If I may brag for just a moment.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really proud of pod therapy for that. Like we've
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  Speaker 2: had people write in in the past, We've had a
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  Speaker 2: lot of male listeners over the years who have said,
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  Speaker 2: I discovered this show. It is predominantly male. It's unapologetically
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  Speaker 2: just you know, assholes being assholes, but like also taking
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: breaks to like answer questions in like this therapy voice,
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  Speaker 2: and like talking about emotions. And we've had lots of
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  Speaker 2: male listeners over the years that have said this show
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  Speaker 2: contributed to them learning how to language emotions in a
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  Speaker 2: way that felt native, in a way that felt true
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  Speaker 2: within their lexicon, within their vocabulary, a way to speak
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  Speaker 2: about themselves and discuss and even notice things and know
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  Speaker 2: how to identify certain words in certain ways of their
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  Speaker 2: feeling and be able to discuss that with their partners
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  Speaker 2: or themselves and just access that insight. So if I
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  Speaker 2: may just a quick plug, as you already know University
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  Speaker 2: pod there, I feel like this is something we're doing.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think just the the journaling, I mean, that's
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  Speaker 7: kind of my go to when you're starting and getting prompts,
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  Speaker 7: because I do find that's very common or have over
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  Speaker 7: the years found it's common for people to not really
• 17:16
  Speaker 7: know where to start with journaling, like Okay, well what
• 17:18
  Speaker 7: am I writing down?
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: It's just a lot of pressure, just a blank page
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: after the abyss.
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: So I did have a client not too long ago
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: who bought this journal online. It's called like a burn
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: book or oh yeah, yeah. It's like answer all these
• 17:35
  Speaker 7: questions and then burn it after or whatever. And I
• 17:38
  Speaker 7: thought for my younger crowd, I mean any crowd really,
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: but it's really helpful for the younger crowd because there's
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: a lot of different styles, like different designs on the cover,
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: so you can find one that feels like you and
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: then answering all the questions just to kind of get
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: the relief of especially for like teens or early twenties,
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: Like I could just burn this in the end, or
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: I could just let this go into the abyss and
• 18:01
  Speaker 7: not feel that pressure of because this is what I
• 18:05
  Speaker 7: hear a lot. I don't know, if you hear this,
• 18:06
  Speaker 7: people will be like, well, what if someone reads it?
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: There's still that internal fear, and I kind of relate
• 18:11
  Speaker 7: to that. It's like you find yourself almost adjusting what
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: you write down in a journal, like if someone were
• 18:16
  Speaker 7: to find it and you're like, what I'm not.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no one's going to read that.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: So I journal in exclusively two places.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: One has to be handwritten because I'm scared the AIS
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: are going to get to it, or one day wherever
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I write it is going to be discovered. So I
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: will only do pen and paper, and you know, with
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: the idea that I can destroy those periodically if that's
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: what I feel like I need to do. And the
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: other one, which I don't do anymore but I have
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: done in my career in the EHR, I'll just create
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: a fake client and like their record's my journal, and like, yeah,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: break into this hip a fucking file.
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: I don't think that's going to happen very often. I
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: think you know, like every Whitney. You probably are not
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: aware of this, but every male growing up has a
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: buddy that knows, like, Hey, if I die, there's a box.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: It's in my closet. You need to go get it
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: and destroy and destroy my family.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Don't open it. Don't you know the code? We all
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: know you don't open that. But here's where it is.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: If you have time, get to the computer and light
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: my house on fire.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: The biggest magnet you can find okay, and you just
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: beat the ship out of that computer with it as
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: hard as you can the cloud.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: Like, I'm optimistic that we as a society can get
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: to that point where like we have friends now that
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: will do this with journals, like instead of you'll find
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: this instead of porn boxes, because porns on the internet.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: We're all saying, so it's it's.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Fine, nobody's ashamed of their porn, but we're ashamed of
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: those sad feelings we feel.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Sometimes we don't have to print it off.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah that's right, but yeah, like if but yeah, like
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: to get to a point where like, hey, this is
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: my journal, right, please destroy this.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: I love that that Jeff is journaling, and I like
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: this idea of guided journals, which really, guys, how has
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: it been eight years? We never created our own guided journals.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: We would crush that ship a pod therapy guided journal
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: like just riffing like deep questions but also definitely not
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: like ship that we would.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Talk about that would crush. People would love that.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: I like that, like what are you most afraid of?
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: And also where should you put food in the microwave?
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, I think that we have a.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Say it out loud like a petal.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah done this.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there could be a lot of fun. We
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: could have a lot of fun with this.
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: Just make it.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: I mean the discord is essentially that, like we have
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: like prompts and stuff that pop up in there, and
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: people like answer questions and share discuss I.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Was gonna say practice too. I don't know.
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: I don't love this app so much anymore. But Pinterest,
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: I feel like, has lots of little just if you're
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: feeling oh yeah, just like kind of impulsive journaling prompts.
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: There's a lot of different things in there, and it's
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: just a few questions, so it's not so overwhelming or
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: I have to go buy a journal or I have
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: to do whatever. It's like something very quick, easy, simple
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: in one like screenshot and and sometimes really deep questions.
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: But I go there a lot when I'm like I
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: feel like journaling or I feel like I have a
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: lot of emotions going on. I don't know what exactly.
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: Let me go just see what prompts stand out to me,
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: and like focus on one or two of them and
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: go for but the pen and paper, I'm definitely.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: Do you ever have any clients or have you ever
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: recommended that somebody not use prompts, but just free, right,
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: I do.
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: I usually only do that if it's somebody who kind
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: of enjoys journaling to start with. If they're like, y'all
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: journal periodic, or it's something that's even already a thing,
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: but maybe they haven't journaled about this type of stuff
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: or something deeper than Yeah, just start writing and see
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: what happens.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: I find clients struggle with that a lot, which is
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: probably really good.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: That's gonna be the hardest way to start. Just sit
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: down with a blank sheet of.
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: Pay trying to go well, they'll see, like write anything
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: like today it's cold outside, like it can be just
• 22:21
  Speaker 7: like the sky is blue.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Well, that's beau.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: I think about AI too. If you can ask it,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: give me thirty prompts that might be related to what's
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: going on in my life.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: You could just have chat GPT, write your daily journal one.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: You don't even have to write it. Yeah, tell me
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: how I'm doing, what problem solved?
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Comes up a lot.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Like you know, in the last year, I've probably had
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: at least two, maybe three different men who have come
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: into therapy and they've said, you know, I went through
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: something in my life and it was really difficult, and
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: I started looking for YouTube channels podcasts that we're gonna
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: help me as a man process my emotions and access
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: this and to a person, each of them told me.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: As soon as I started down that road, I immediately
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: bumped into like quote unquote red pill content, Like the
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: only men that are talking about raw truth and being
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: vulnerable are also talking about how there's a conspiracy of
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: women who are trying to not sleep with you and
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: you need to.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Punish them, right, and like it just.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I just pick a lane, you know,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: like yeah, summer, just like the same they're talking about
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: their emotions. They're also trying to get you to buy crypto.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: It's just like it's always this you should do.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: It gets really toxic really fast, and like it all
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: gets like obsessively about self improvement and you're being a
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: pussy and like, yeah, David Goggin's this ship, and like
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: it gets really weird and and just each of them
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: kind of expressing like it. I decided, after crashing my
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: life in that new direction, probably show up to therapy
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: and figure out how I'm supposed to do this for real? Right,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: But it's it's I think I just appreciate Jeff talking
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: about as a man, culture sometimes stifling him, teaching him
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: growing up. Maybe it's best if you just keep your
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: mouth shut. Nobody's really interested in this. You're just gonna
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: bother people or frighten them with your emotions. And then
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I think as we grow up, finding that there are
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: some channels and there are some content creators that are
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: creating space for that, but unfortunately a lot of that
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: has gotten co opted by I think we've talked about
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: this past, like toxic masculinity, you know, which I think
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: we both hate that term. It's a slippery slope, but
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, it's unfortunate that like it takes this
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: vitriol sort of flavor to it. That's that's unfortunate. You know,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: we're not just being vulnerable for the sake of being vulnerable,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: and sometimes just owning it without the sense of like
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: I have to, you know, write the ship or get
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: out there and do something and.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Oh my good pay.
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: I had the most fun last week reading through a
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: BuzzFeed article about toxic masculinity. Things that people have heard
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: and I was reading through them. I'm sorry, not toxic, well,
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: it's toxic masculinity, but it's like things that make you
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: gay is the title of it, Like what people say
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: make you gay?
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Right, you're gay if you share, if you yeah, okay.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Wash your booty hole or whatever, like all these things.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: But it's true though.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just convenient that.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: One was like and they're like, that is not a
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: youphem it.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just delicious. I didn't realize I was gay
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: the whole time.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: It was so far out of two things. I'm too
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: for the enjoying adet enjoying a good key.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Enjoying food in general, like drinking fruit. You drink, so.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: You know, that was really fun.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: Anytime we go someplace, it never fucking fails. And I
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: order a cocktail and I have no idea what it's
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: going to look like. Yeah, it always comes outsus flowers
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: on it.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, beautiful. Who had this drink? Yeah? Yeah mine, sir, yes, yes,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: but yeah.
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: The rest of the weekend, I was just like anything,
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: like Peter sneezes, I'm like gay, I like anything.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I went through a.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Phase where I would only drink smeiringo off ice because
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I was at a bar once and asked for a
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: smeiring off ice randomly and the lady made fun of
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: that good and I was like okay, and she's like,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: what are you gay? And I was like, no, pretty straight.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: But also now I'm just mad at you, Like now
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: I think you know on behalf of anybody who likes this,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: and why not my gay brothers?
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck you the time.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: I don't want to shame you, would call you gay
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: for drinking spirit off ice. I just wanted to shame
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: you for drinking spirit off Yeah, I don't want to
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: call you.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: What would have been really funny is if it made
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: you like self conscious and you're like.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, oh, I mean I mean zema.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Clearly not not as sir.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's right. Yeah, white claw Now it's cool.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Everybody can do that exactly. So anyway, Jeff, I think
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: you should definitely drink white Claw. I think that'll solve it.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: But I really like this question, and and you know,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: as far as like starting this process of journaling, I
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: like using the AIS. I think the as really give
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: great prompts. Now, I like the journals. There's a lot
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: of like anonymous conversation websites now that you know, as
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: long as they can be truly anonymous in like open
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: share formats, I've seen that. I think there's one called
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: like seven Cups or seven cups of Tea or something
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Seven Girls, one cup. Yeah, that's it.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I found it fascinating.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: I just really touched.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Google or do if you want to have
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: a good time depends. Yeah, you just want to live
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: a little or have something to journal about. After you
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: see that, you'll be like, I have a lot to say.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: I'm feeling a lot of feels, but.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I like stuff like that.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot more like on ramps
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: now to accessing this this general insight for oneself.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I really like it, you know, but I also liked
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the idea of.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: It just being completely private, like for me, collaborative journaling.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Like do you guys remember live journal back in the day, uhh,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: when we were young. Live journal was like one of
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: this similar to MySpace five years ago. Yeah, it was
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: similar to MySpace. It was like this micro blogging website.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: It was live journal, and so people would post things.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: You could post them completely privately, or you could post
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: them and have people read them. No, it was a blog,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: but like that was a place where a lot of
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: people were just like back in the early MySpace days.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: That's what a post was, is you just like post
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: your thoughts and it wasn't necessarily this collaborative tagging thing.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: It was meant to be pensive and like it was
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: very emo, like that space was occupied by people that
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: were like, you know, do you ever look at a
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: feather and just like notice, and like it's just like
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: all this deep thoughts, right, and like people were just
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: doing that and then it got smaller and smaller. But anyway,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I've never been to like collaborative of journaling in that way.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: For me, Jeff, It's always been like I'll sit down
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: and I'll just when i'm I'll start my questioning by saying,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: what emotion words am I feeling right now? And I
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: have like a handout that I'll go to the wheel
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: of feel, and I'll use that to sort of like
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: try to identify which big picture motions I'm feeling and
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: then zoom into smaller and smaller nuances until I can
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: like wrap my mind around like yeah, that word captures
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: what I'm feeling, and then I'll start my journaling there
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: and I'll say at the top of my journal today,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I'm feeling this word, and here's why I think I've
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: arrived at that feeling today, and then I'm just processing
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: the events of my life that left me feeling that
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: way and kind of auditing it. And sometimes like by
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: doing that, I'm proofreading my emotions and oftentimes we'll read
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: my way out of them or write my way out
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: of them, or I'll come out and be like, you
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: know what, at the end of this writing, I think
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I've realizing I shouldn't feel that way. That was it
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: was me coming to a different conclusion at the end
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: of this, having processed this, I think I'm actually feeling
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: this way.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: About the situation. So like for me that that's a
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: good prompt that leads me good direct.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, yeah, we used to start every day
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: that way. At many rehabs that I worked at. It
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: was always like you always start the day with identifying
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: how are you feeling right now? Like what what is
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: the starting point? So that you know, because then it
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: kind of puts everything that day into a context. So
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: if I can understand, like like I can wake up
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: in the morning, I can just check in with myself
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: and I realize I'm feeling very self conscious right then
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: now it's like, okay, everything I experience I kind of remember, well,
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: I've already identified this, so this is this filtering how
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: I'm you know, seeing things the rest of the day.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, you know, it's fascinating how we as humans, so
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: much of our behavior, the way we think, the way
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: we treat other people can all be through this unconscious
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: lens of how you are feeling, which is why there
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: is that trope of therapist.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Saying how does that make you feel? Like, oh what
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: a dumb question is? Like is it?
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: Is it?
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: How are you feeling right now? And it's fascinating when
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: you throw that at people and they're like, fuck, okay, wow.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: If I would do that, if I would ask that
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: question periodically, I'll bet you i'd like stop hurting a
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: lot of people in my life, Like yeah, no maybe.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: So starting from that lens, Jeff, I think is a
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: great way to do it. But I love this question.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I also love you role modeling for a lot of
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: listeners and you know, yes, especially the male audience, like, hey,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: this is healthy. We got to do this work, you know,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: we got to sit down and notice these unconscious things,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: the things that steer us in life. As Jeff said
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: for himself and also for some of his goals. He
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: wants to be a good partner. He wants to be,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: you know, a good friend. He wants to be a
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: good romantic partner. He knows he needs to clear his
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: mind's eye and access that inner truth in order to
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: be self aware. Right, Because if you're blowing up on
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: your partner or you're like, oh, I'm feeling insecure or
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: jealous and like, that might be a you thing, right,
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: And if you were doing better journaling throughout the beginning
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: of the relationship, you might have noticed that and had
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: a way to think that through, so you didn't make
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: that your partner's problem, right, catching these things earlier on.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: I love this kind of work. So good luck with that, Jeff,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: And we'll get you that pod Therapy Guided Meditations log.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I'm willing to take the lead on that. If you
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: want to take the lead on.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Then we could do a really fun project. I think
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: we should things with all original pod therapy. All right,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: here's the thing. We got the journal, We've got the
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: theme song. Yeah, and we have the pod therapy calendar.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: We're still working on that, yeah, the Bourdois calendar, and
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: the book club. There's also the book club.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: It still exists. It's out there.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Ye afterthoughts is another subproject that does exist in the history.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have our internship.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: Now tell you what, because we had interns, we had
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: all these people that want to do stuff. Yeah, if
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: you want to put together a guided journaling exercise.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: For the four of us, Oh, there's the four of us.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: You could put together like a ten or twenty question
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: of form for each of us to fill. There you go,
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: and we could write down questions, we could answer, questions
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: are ready to be done, and then you can put
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: that together and send that over to us and we'll publicize.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: It out there you go.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: That's the guided journal is, like, it's not just your answers.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: You write yours, and then you get to see all
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: of our answers too.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: I'll I I wasn't even thinking about that, but yes,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: that could be fine.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: I was thinking we would just write down, you know,
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: based on different criteria, different questions to have go into
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: the guided journal.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: But I like our answers being there as.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Well also as a role model, right, because then people
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: could be like, how would you answer this kind of question?
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Like you read a bunch of therapists answer that and
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: life coach is distinguished like.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Thank you. That could be kind of cool, Doctor Life coach, Yes, yes,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: thank you.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: How about five dollars for the journal that we write, Yeah,
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: twenty dollars for the answers that we there.
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: It is.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Each and Jacob's is thirty because those are the juicy ones.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Nobody clamoring to find out what iowa next. We all
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: want to hear Jacob show. Jacobs, you have to prove
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: your age take Yeah, the verification panel.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: You don't because jim Son is going to explain them
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  Speaker 5: to you anyway.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: That's right. He's gonna explain all of my answers to
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: you in depth. Lord, his son will do the audio. Yeah,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: that's the audio version. I'm just saying. Oh, I know
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: for a fact that jim will not be on board
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: in sudden this. That's right, he should.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll leave him out of this anyway, Jeff, great question.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Thanks for giving us a new project idea. We will
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: let you get back to it, and when we come back,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: we are answering questions on financial anxiety. You're listening to Pop.
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  Speaker 4: do it for the.
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: Late Game has just ended in the n C double
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: a March Madness, Jim's place in the order is unchanged.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Ah no, I just saw the shuffle happen. Okay, Jesus dude,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Whitney's in fourth place.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: She's leading the pack.
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  Speaker 2: Damn Nix at seven.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Peter's doing great this year, Jim still.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Jacob's at ten.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I'm dead.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: Anyway. Trivia, so I'm getting hungry, all right, Eighties movie
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: trivia or movie quotes? Okay, uh, well, you're gonna give
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: us a quote.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: We have to give you the movie?
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, shoot from the hip for two options for one, Jim.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Roads where we're going. We don't need roads.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Give me terminator.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: See the question is which one? So I know it's
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: why yeah, part one. That's right, Debbie does Dallas.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it's definitely back to the Future, and
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I'm wondering if it's the end the Back of the
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Future one. Give me back to the Future one you sure.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I think it is because they lead. Yeah, I think
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: it's cars. Well number two does, but I think you
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: got to lead into that with the hook. Okay, it's
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: gotta be the hook of one. Give me one back
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: in the future one it is. Yes, take those two.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Points, Whitney. I feel the need the need first. Jesus
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Christ got it. Jesus, I'm not even checking these no. A.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: There used to be a player who played for the
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: New Orleans Saint. It's called Willie Snead, and there would
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: often be signs for him.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: There was I feel the need, the need for thing
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: that could have ever happened. That's pretty good.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: There was a player who played for l s U.
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: He went he went pro at some point, but his
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: name was Jarkivius Mingo and uh and so it was
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: common to see signs the mingo ate my baby, Mingovius
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: mingo ate my baby.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: Okay, Uh, Jacob top Gun, I guess goes gun to nobody.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Nobody puts baby in a corner up, yes, yes, yeah,
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: that would be.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Oh what's the day with that? Damn it?
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Earlier for top and I'm like, shoot, what's the name
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: about Naverick?
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: Jim don't cross the streams oh, Ghostbusters, Debbie does Ghostbusters, hebby, don't.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Cross the Shop.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: I'm glad Jim because I wouldn't have guessed either.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: When you grow Up your Heart Dies options.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Jim's journal final answer.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Okay, options are There's nineteen eighty nine, Pretty in Pink
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: nineteen eighty six, the Breakfast Club nineteen eighty five, or
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: almost fire.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, those are all very hack.
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: When you grow up your Heart diest science there.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: Is the yeah Breakfast, like we're saying almost far.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: But I think.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: I was going to go.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: It's only one point I was, but I was.
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: Like, I haven't seen saying almost fire. I think it's
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: when Molly Ringwald is talking to the bad kid, the one.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: With the long hair.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Judd Nelson, Yeah.
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: And I think one of them says it because it's
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: a terrible childhood's right, something like.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: That, Jacob as you wish, Oh coming nailed it obviously
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: by the character Alison Reynolds.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: When you grew Up your Heart Dies said by Alison
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Reynolds character expressingly your fear of losing her individuality and
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: passion as she matures.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Also Princess Bride, Yes got it, good to go, back and.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Watch those teens.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't, I can't watch them.
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: I just told my best friend yesterday that I've known
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: sin as ten I said, I want to just fly
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: out to see you for a weekend and just watch
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: old movies, including Now and Then and all those movies.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: Basically, the pat.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Movies hold up better than a lot of the others
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: for the time they did try to take on something.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: A lot of them do, not all of them, like
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: like Pretty in Pink does all the Valley Girls stuff.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: That's that gets a little dated. It's a little it's
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: not like upsetting or any think. It's just dated.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I watch a lot of kids movies, but once
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: I start.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Watching you watch them with your kids. Yes, interesting, Well, without.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Them, they're good movies. But yeah, teenage angst films, I
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: just start this is so, I'm.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: Much better with teenage inks films than I am with
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: adult angst films.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Thank you, at least the characters together.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: When I watch a fuck like Avengers Infinity War, the
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: entire movie is about a group of adults who can't
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: just say hey, sorry, okay.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: That drives me crazy.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: That's the end of the movie.
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: That movie should be ten minutes long, because it's like, oh,
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: Captain America can't say sorry to Iron Man.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: I think he means civil or vice versa Infinity War whatever.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: It was a little bit.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: The thanks were a bit higher in Infinity War. Fuck
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: you in your Civil war disagreement. An office disagreement leads
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: to a lot of bad stuff and a guy gets paralyzed,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: you know that spoiler.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I won't tell which one does he though, because it doesn't.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, I mean he gets if Yeah, but like
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: if technology is now like if it was really like that, Yeah, paralyzed,
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: ain't that bad? Like he walks around just fine, like
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: he just yeah, it's just like I don't Yeah, like
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: if you can.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: Do if you've got winner soldier technology, all of a sudden,
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: getting your arm amputated isn't a big deal.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah it is when you go to jerk it maybe
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: for you or I love the stranger. Is it better?
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But that thing can rip the top
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: off a tank. You really want to throw those dice
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: right you're enjoying yourself. Yeah, it can do that.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: It can also do a lot of stuff, and I
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: will have I will not apologize. No, it's gonna be
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: a fucking animal balloon when you're done, I can want this.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: I can put that thing a cruise control lead back
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: and enjoy the ride. I don't know, man, I'm not
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: throwing the dice on that. It's I'm good to go.
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Just the dangerous game, just the world's most dangerous. If
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna lose my arm, I hope it's my left
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: all right. So Nick has left the studio, which I
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: think is the end of trivia. I assume that just
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: means that's.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: The end of the Nick is thirsty. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: We all answer two questions. Yeah, one of us answered
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: one of them for only one point. That's right.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: We are off to a great lead.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: I'm just glad I didn't have Jim's questions.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, no financial anxiety from Chris. Hi.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: I listened to the question from Anan a wife, and
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: felt compelled to participate. I feel like this is a
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: question my ex could have asked about our relationship. Well,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: it still was a relationship, of course, and since I
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: feel spiritually connected to the husband of a not a wife,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: I feel like I should add my point of view
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: and ask a question at the same time. So I'll
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: pause here so we can remind the listeners and probably ourselves.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: The last episode, I think we had a question from
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: an a wife and it was always about they came
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: into money and their upper middle class have always.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Had relationships everywhere else.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Yep. Some people come into tissues, some people come into money.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: There is depends on what Yeah you do you the
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: same point.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: As evidenced by my third hand down microwave, Yeah.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: Microwave Athough, I do like going to Chase every now
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: and then, getting nice roll of pities and just.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I love this show. I don't give a shit anymore.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: It's great. Nobody can do what we do. What the fuck?
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, a not a wife? So an not a wife's
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: tell any money? Yeah?
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Was that husband felt a little bit of financial kind
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: of fear because he had put a bunch of money
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: down on their first house, ended up wiping out their liquidity.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: He messed up a little bit. Yep. Then they ended up.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Inheriting some more money, and she's saying, hey, let's start
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: doing some home maintenance, let's start planning for the future.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: And he freezes and paralyzed and he can't talk about
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: money and not a wife's like, Hey, this kind of sucks.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Not sure how to help this person. So that's what
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Chris is talking about now. Chris's letter resumes here. My
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: last long relationship ended in part because of arguments about money.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: My ex came from a rich family, had a safe job,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: and cared a lot about comfortable things such as a
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: nice apartment, a nice car, and similar stuff. I grew
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: up in a very poor family, have experienced losing a
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: lot of money in a housing crash, and I've experienced
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: losing my job as a whole industry collapsed, causing me
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: to have to change my career. So I naturally have
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: a lot of anxiety about finances, and I've made some
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: poor choice of decisions fueled by my anxiety. I know
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: there's not a fixed number I could see in my
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: bank account that would make me relax, but if I
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: see the number go down, it would feel like the
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: end of the world. For a specific example, I've been
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: considering buying a new car, so naturally, I've been working
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: eighty five plus hours a week for the last three
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: months to save money, and I've committed to continue with
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: that workload for about two additional months. My life is
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: literally gym, work, food, sleep, and repeat. At this point, also,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: I'm currently considering skipping the car and just saving the
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: money instead, because the number must go up to circle
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: back to an a wife. My ex had worked in
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: local politics for a long time and was used to
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: debating people, and if we would ever have a discussion,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: she would likely win. I used to joke about the
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: fact that if we were to have a debate about
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: the shape of the Earth, she could likely take the
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: flat Earth side of the debate and still win against me.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Mostly this was due to what I termed debate endurance.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: If I could think of three arguments against buying a
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: new sofa, she could think of fifteen arguments in favor.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: So it always felt like a choice between a just
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: agree and try to hide the distress I felt about
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: spending money that I did not feel comfortable spending, b
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: lose the discussion, and then hide the distress I felt
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: when we had to get the sofa. Anyways, So I
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: hope that explains how someone can just suffer and accept
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: spending money they clearly feel uncomfortable spending, especially if you
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: know that at some level the distress is a bit irrational.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: So here are my actual questions. Number one, how can
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I relax a bit around the money issue. I'm thinking
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: about switching to a less mentally draining job, but I
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: struggle with the golden handcuffs I currently have. Number two,
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: how can a person with poor debate endurance deal with
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: relationships where they often feel pressured into doing things they're
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: not comfortable with? And three, I have at this point
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: spent tens of dollars being a patron to this show.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: How do I justify that expense to myself? Thanks Chris
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: pronouns are he and him?
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Thank you for the dollars. There's a lot of anxiety
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: around money.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Person's one hundred to another, so you know we appreciate
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: every single penny.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I can start at the end of this question and
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: answer the whole thing.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: Do it?
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: Baby up your patreon to this show. That'll fix it
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: to the maximum amount of money that you have. Yep,
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: and then you don't have to worry about that money anymore.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Number one and number two, whatever arguments you have, Jacob
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: has at least one more at least and if you
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: don't want that fight, if you don't want to smoke
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: swipe the car.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: That's it, and there won't be no trouble, don't start. No,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: there won't.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: That is the official motto of pod therapy show that
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: wants your mental health to improve, but also wants that money.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Anyway.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: I'm not afraid to flex the muscle when we have
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: to pay up or we send the life coach, he's
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: going to get that wallet. Yeah.
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: This kind of hits on something I did mention during
• 47:30
  Speaker 7: that question, which is that we didn't really know how
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: the writer and not a wife was talking, right spouse,
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: And like even this current writer, Chris, he him sharing
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: his perspective. It doesn't even sound like his ex was
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: trying to like read rude or mean or bulldozer or whatever.
• 47:51
  Speaker 7: It just sounds like she was trying to share her
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: point and get what she wanted persuasive.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: But the reaction for you is, Okay, I need to
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: back off.
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: This is how I'm cope, right, And so I kind
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: of like that you shared your input because that does
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: give nuance to a situation that can sometimes feel like, oh,
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: one person's in the wrong here, and it's not. It's
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: just both people are coming from their own backgrounds and
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: coming together and bringing all their shit to the table
• 48:16
  Speaker 7: and saying, how do how do we decide what's quote
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: best well to me.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I think one of the things that's really tricky about
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: financial conversations is that, on one hand, they are and
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: ought to be hyper rational. You know, you're sitting down
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: with your spouse and they're saying, look, this is how
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: the math maths.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Here's why this is.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: A good investment, or it's a good use of spending,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: or this matters, et cetera, et cetera, and like, that's
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: a really difficult conversation to have because it presumes that
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: the entire conversation is just hyper rational. I think it's
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: really important when you're talking to your partner or anybody
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: else to upfront acknowledge we're having an emotional and values
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: based conversation too. For me, I may just value seeing
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: that number be really big, because every number, every dollar
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: in there is one dollar further from calamity. And I'll
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: never feel safe, but I sure as hell feel more
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: like safe than less safe if that number is bigger. Right,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: and so you wanting to buy a two thousand dollars
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: couch for you, that solves a practical problem. That would
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: feel nice. There's all these positives For me, I'm two
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars closer to danger, right, and that frightens me,
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: or the payments. So, like, I'm a big fan of
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: not allowing the narrative to take shape that this is
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: just a hyper rational, mathematical conversation, because it ignores the
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: reality that money is an emotional conversation and a values
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: based conversation. And I think whenever you can lead with that, like,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: you can't. You can't have a hyper rational conversation about sex.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: You're like talking to your partner and you're like, hey,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: I think we should try the back door, and they're like, A,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I don't feel comfortable with that, and like, okay, great,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: your discomfort though, needs to be overcome because it's rational.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: You can't get pregnant this way. There's no reason we
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: should be against this. Blah blah blah. Here's ten other
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: you know, here's a video of how great it feels
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: like and I want this.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: This is.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: And so like you, you would never presume to be
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: able to have a hyper rational conversation about anal I
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: don't think you can do it about finances.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I sense this is Jim's next book.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I have some arguments. Okay, I just want
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: to be hurt.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I just want to be hurt.
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: Okay, talking your partner into anal and other dad vice ways, why.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Do we only have you two as our kids? How
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Daddy won this argument?
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: But like, nobody would presume that other types of conversations
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: can just be had hyper rationally, because you understand that
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: there's an emotion to this that even if I can
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: logically win the argument, I can still fail to bring
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: you along with me. And even if I win, it's
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable for you all the anal So like, I think
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: the same thing here with finance is like, even if
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: you win the sofa conversation, they're not going to enjoy
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: sitting on it. Man, this really lines up with the
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: anal thing, because again, you didn't get their emotional consent,
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: and I feel like emotional consent is a big part
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: of how you make sofa decisions.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Like I hope you like really good. I mean, I
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: don't know if any of it stands up well on
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: its own.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: A lot of listeners are nodding along right now, like, no,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: he's he's right. I don't know how to explain it,
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: but he's right.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: The same thing, they're real close. I mean, they're real close.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Emotional consent, And.
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: The question that you bring up is how do you
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: get past the irrational side of the emotion? Right, Like,
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: how when does it stop being like, Okay, we have
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: emotions tied to this, yes, because there is emotion tied
• 51:58
  Speaker 7: to money. But point do we stop? Like I love
• 52:01
  Speaker 7: that the writer that Chris even shared. Every time I
• 52:04
  Speaker 7: see the number go up, I like that boat, Right,
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: where's the limit?
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: I won't even buy the car I'm saving up for,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: right because all this bonus money that I set aside
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: for this car, now I look at it.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, I don't want to lose a
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: lot of money. That's scary to let.
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: Relate to that, Yes, because that's what I've been doing
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: over the last like, you know, five years, as I've
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: just been slowly building up my emergency fund, right, and
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: you know, like I had a number that I needed
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: to hit for to feel comfortable at is an emergency fund?
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: You gauge that based on months?
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Like I think it just ends in sixty nine. I
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: think that's always happened.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: That a given six.
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: Is what I was very plazivio.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Maybe you'll are twelve, I heard, I hear.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Whatever gets you there?
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: Man, whatever the age you can sent. So I had
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: this number in mind. I hit that number, and then
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: I was just kind of like, oh, let's see, let's
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: keep going, you know. And then and then it's like, okay, well,
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: I've got enough now where I can take X amount
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: of dollars put that towards the down payment of this
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: new vehicle. And I'm still I still have my original
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: goal right in there. But boy did it hurt, Like
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: it really hurts to see that. And even though yeah,
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: but like you know, everything and so everything is relative, right,
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: So prior to having that goal, it seems so far away.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: And then I passed it, and then I went way
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: past it, and then looking back and seeing that same
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: number from the other side was scary.
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: Yes, at that same rationale is how problem gamblers, of course,
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: keep going past the point where they win and keep
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: on playing until they lose it all again.
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Well, and there's that old joke by Chris Rock that says,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: you know this is dated now, but he said, if
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Bill Gates woke up tomorrow with Oprah Winfrey's money, he
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: jump off a building and set his throat on the
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: way down, right, you know, And it's it's just that
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: that that perspective of any of us to have Oprah
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Winfrey's money be the luckiest person on earth. But if
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: you've surpassed a number and now you're reduced to that number,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: there's a horrible sense of loss.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: And it feels like you're in free fall and fairness.
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: I bet Bill Gates' mental health would still be okay
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: if he just woke up with the Oprah's money.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: I bet it'd be really surprised. Yeah, but I bet
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: it's stay on the building.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well today I think I think twenty twenty five
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Bill Gates he.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Could handle it. Yeah, there's a version of Bill. I
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: don't think good.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: No, I don't really, but yeah, how to how do
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: you navigate that? And how do you adjust?
• 54:42
  Speaker 7: I do tend to want to go a little bit
• 54:45
  Speaker 7: the logic row and say and try your best to
• 54:48
  Speaker 7: look at your finances from a standpoint of because you've
• 54:52
  Speaker 7: had such loss, I mean going through lost through a
• 54:55
  Speaker 7: housing market, your whole job, you know, like just market
• 55:02
  Speaker 7: going away. That would be horrible and scary. If someone
• 55:05
  Speaker 7: said there's no therapists anymore, AI is taken over by ooh,
• 55:09
  Speaker 7: that would that would hit pretty hard.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: And so.
• 55:13
  Speaker 7: I think trying your best to kind of like ground yourself,
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: bring yourself back to reality, and say, this is what
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: I'm doing now. This is how much I'm making. Uh,
• 55:23
  Speaker 7: this is how much rent, mortgage, whatever, food, all that costs.
• 55:27
  Speaker 7: This is my emergency fund. Set that emergency fund higher.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: Set it for if I went two years without work.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: I don't care.
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: It can be it can be more. But but I
• 55:37
  Speaker 7: think there does need to be a cap on it
• 55:40
  Speaker 7: to say, this is what I'm telling myself, this is
• 55:43
  Speaker 7: what I'm sticking to. And as you look through and
• 55:46
  Speaker 7: see that this is doable, this is achievable, our thoughts
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: will affect our emotions, you know, and CBTs.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: That's yeah.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: I think there's the thing that I always like to
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: kind of remind myself too, is that I'm not going
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: to be able to take any of this with me, right,
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: you know. And so that's the other thing, you know,
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: Like I think, I I don't want to die poor,
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: but I also don't want to die with a whole
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: bunch of money. Yeah, you know, because then it's kind
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: of like I do need to die with the whole
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: bunch of money.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: As long as we're in the trusty, as long as
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: it's pot therapy.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Money I'm great with.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: So yeah, So it's I remember back in the day
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: when I really was in NASCAR, into NASCAR and like
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: watching a lot of the races and stuff. They you
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: know that they would say, like, the best engine is
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: the engine that blows right after you've crossed the finish line.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you know, because it's like it's pushed to
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: the upper limit, pushed to the.
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: Absolute limit, and then it was done right, there was
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: nothing left, gave up every single thing. And so that's
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: kind of I guess kind of how I feel like
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: with money in a way too, is like I I,
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: I I don't want to die with absolutely nothing, but
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: like if I were to just die with a million
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: dollars in the bank, part of me would be upset
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: and like, oh, what could I have done with that?
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: I like, what kind of experiences could I have had?
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: You know, even if it's you know, even if it's
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: not like just me doing ship with it, could I
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: have done something uh philanthropic with it?
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: It is interesting though, because, like the writer, but.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: I won't get to feel the feeling.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: I want people to know, I know, I want you
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: to admire me to my face, not at my grave.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: I can't hear that.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: I can't hear thank you when I'm dead. I can't
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: hear you saved my life. Yeah, no, like that, burn
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: the money.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: I don't give a ship, don't don't put a dollar
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: into that children's hospital.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: It was. I can hear the thank you? Burn it.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: No, but I understand that that theory.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: It's funny because I'm in this video game called Starry
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: Valley and you run like a farm and my daughter
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: gets really mad at me because I figured out how
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: to make a shitload of money and it's basically get
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: into the wine industry. So like I'm like growing all
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: this special fruit and then I've opened up a vineyard
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: on my farm where I'm like aging this shitting casks,
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: and like I built all these cellars, and like my
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: daughter's like, please, can I please buy a fucking horse?
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: You know, like I just want to buy a horsey,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, Dad needs every tiller. Just like
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: why why are you making millions so I can make
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: more millions?
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: Is just a sliver of knowing what it's like to
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: be your business partner.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Can we spend this night?
• 58:43
  Speaker 7: No?
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: That money we might need that money. You never know.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: No, but it's it's funny because I relate to Chris
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: and this second point that Chris asks, where he says
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: debate endurance, like, how can a person with poor debate
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: endurance deal with relationships where you often feel pressured? I'm
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: I'm very similar to this, where sometimes we need to
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: have a thorough and rigorous conversation, and my desire is
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: to posture myself that I am open to all good ideas,
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: but I have to get myself emotionally there. And so
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: sometimes when I'm having an argument with my spouse or
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: we need to talk about something important like money, I
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: need to check in with myself. And this goes back
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: to University Jeff's question about self awareness and personal awareness
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: of emotion. I need to start by checking in with
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: my emotional vocabulary and finding the emotion word I'm feeling
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: right now, Yeah, because I need to report that.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: Why am I feeling so much stress about it?
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Because my poor wife could be walking into a conversation
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: believing that I'm completely rational right now and I'm not,
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: you know, and like she may make five good arguments.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Nope, we're still not doing that, and it's
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: like why, like maybe if I make five more right.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: And it's like get pregnant if we do it this way.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: I've tried to explain the sofa can't hurt you use
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: this numbing lotion. So you know, this is where I
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: feel like we need that emotional insight to be able
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: to say, look, I know that this is an emotional
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: conversation for me, I'm not comfortable with it, and I
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: just want to try a new thing.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: It's not okay with the nature of the show, the
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: same thing, it's a great show.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: My stomach has not felt good all week.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: The car.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: So the way that we deal with that poor debate endurance.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: I think telling people upfront, hey, look, you're not gonna
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: win me over with a machine gun barrage of arguments,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: please don't. At some point I feel fatigue with with this,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: like next argument, next argument, next argument. Can you please
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: at some point be emotionally curious?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Can you?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Can you make that part of our conversation? And I
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: think most partners find that kind of language interesting, you know,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: to say, hey, can in this conversation, can I also
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: ask you not just to make thirty five arguments. Probably
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: need a new refrigerator. Can you also try to pivot
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: sometimes being emotionally curious and check on me because I
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: will admit some of my thoughts are irrational, but knowing
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: that is not going to solve this. Right. You can
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: get consent, but that's not what you really want.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: You really want buying. You really want me to be
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: enthusiastic with you and feel peace with.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: This too, if that's really your goal. If your goal
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: is just to buy the thing, then you can win
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: and you can bulldoze me. But if you really want
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: me to be a part of this and feel peace
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: with this and enjoy what we're going to buy together,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: whatever's gonna happen, I need you to check in on
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: me and be emotionally curious. So I think those disclaimers
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: and self evaluation up front, Chris, that's the way that
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: you ultimately get some peace with this, because I don't
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: know a way to like win the argument if you
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: don't have that endurance.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a little bit what I was saying there.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 7: It is.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Win that argument endurance. Put that couch up there.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: Speaking of eighties, eighties was eighties?
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 7: I was gonna mention the emotional side because typically people can't.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm sure some people out there can, but
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 7: most people cannot argue with your feelings. Hey, I feel
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 7: stressed thinking about spending three K on the couch, and
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 7: they can come back. I can say like, well, this logic,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 7: this logic, this logic. You say, I hear all that,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: and I still feel stressed.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Right, Like, you're not wrong, Yeah I'm still here.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: They can sell it. But if you're yeah, just still Yeah.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 7: Identifying your emotions and sticking with it or it makes
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 7: me scared and all these things, I think that helps
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 7: bring your partner into that emotional It.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: Also lowers the defensiveness, right because if I feel like
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: it's it's not me versus you, but it's me and
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: you versus the problem we're trying to solve and my emotions, yeah,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: that is so much better for me.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 7: And if you're if for example, Chris in this case
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 7: is the one saying, well, I don't want to buy
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 7: the couch. Maybe the X things, well, I've got to
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 7: like convince them. But internally Chris is like, well, no,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 7: it's because I'm scared. It's it's not because I think
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 7: it's a bad deal or a bad thing. Necessarily, it's
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 7: just wow, I really don't like seeing three thousand dollars
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 7: leave my baby.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: But Chris, that's the key is if you're going to
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: continue to make rational counter arguments, your opponent or your
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: conversation partner believes that's the game we're playing, which is
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: why I want you to get the emotional insights you
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: can realize this isn't about rationality. There's I have thirty
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: percent of my concerns probably I have real objections. I'd
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: like you to answer seventy percent is my trauma, my emotions,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: my struggles, and my partner needs to know that that's
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: the differential. That way they can know how to adjust
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: the conversation and their posture so they can go from
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: soothing me to debating me. Right, So that's important, And
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: not that I.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: Disagree with your points. I like those points to play
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: the devil's advocate.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: How dare you, asshole?
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: I do think though, that there comes a point where
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: emotions sometimes become a card that's played in a discussion
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: that maybe it doesn't have a place to be played.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: That's fine, so let's just not necessarily manipulatively. But like
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: we are paying, we're we're paying too much attention to
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: this piece when it shouldn't be a factor. Like I'll
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: give you an example of something that let's just take
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: it to an extreme and then we can kind of
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: dial it back. But let's say I'm I'm having a
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: discussion with my spouse about a sick child, right, and
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: we need to take this child to the doctor's office
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: because this is our child, right to the doctor's office
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: because something is wrong. Right, And then my spouse has
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: a fear of doctors, feels they're manipulative, feels like they're
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: only after money, doesn't want to take the child. Let's
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: try home remedies first, right, And I kind of like, yeah,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: I get your anxieties about that. I get all that,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: you've got a lot of emotions about this. Totally understand. However,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: we need to make a logic based discussion or decision here,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: you know. And so it does sometimes become like why
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: are we Why are we playing the emotional card? Why
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: are we throwing this in here when it shouldn't be
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: a factor in what's actually happening.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna agree with you, and I think advance
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: that argument into a productive direction. Yes, So this is
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: something I think you and I have to do a
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: lot in rehabs with motivational interviewing, where there's a pretty
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: clear rational argument for maybe you should stop using fentanyl,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: and like there's not a whole lot of rational.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Arguments for maybe square right, fucking loser. It's such a
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: boring square right now.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: So you know, we we use motivational interviewing to often
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: encounter the emotional objections while steering them toward the positive outcome.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: And like, in that situation, I think that's that's ultimately
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: the advice I want to give Chris is to like
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: be open to revealing that it's an emotional thing, because
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: in this example you're giving if the spouse insists that no, no, no,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: homeopathy is the right way to go rationally logically, I
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: heard in this podcast the doctors are out to get
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: us save that kid, right, So you the rational parent
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: who's trying to get them to the doctor. If your
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: real objective is not to win, but to save the kid,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: you're gonna get there a lot faster if you learned,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: am I, And if you know how to say, okay, well,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to debate the facts with you, right,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: because you're going to get into podcast logic and like
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. I'll lose or the
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: kid's going to die in the meantime, I don't want
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: to entrench you, right, And we do this in rehabs
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: all the time. We don't want them to entrench. So
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: we tend to take this yes and approach where we say, okay, great,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: let's talk about that. What feelings are you having right now?
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: What are your objections? Where are you struggling? And like
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: helping them acknowledge that there is an emotional overtone and
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: working within that, like if we can get them to
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: talk more about their emotional objections and coming to see
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: where there's more emotion than reason. We don't ultimately win
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: with an argument, right, We've never won rationally to get
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: somebody to sober up, Like we've helped them realize that
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: they were unhappy high, so why not unhappy sober and
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: live longer and not go to jail, And like little
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: things like that where we've used their own logic and
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: guided them through it to their own conclusion without winning,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean, It's like I can
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: feel like there's room for that with Chris, there's room
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: for that with the woman in this example, too, or
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: the spouse where like, yes, we can your emotions are
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: welcome here, But the greater strategy is ultimately not telling
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: them don't be emotional. We have to be rational because
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: they're going to entrench like you're not hearing me. And
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: we see this a lot in relationships where one member
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: says they're not being rational, the other one says you're
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: not listening to me. I feel unheard, and that one's like,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: why do I have to listen to irrational bullshit when
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: it's just emotional And the therapist often shows up that
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: couple's therapy and goes, Okay, let's slow it all down.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: We're going to practice hearing our partner, and then I'm
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: gonna teach you how to correct them in this more gentle, scenic,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: root kind of way that they can release their conclusions, right,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: And that's ultimately am I Yeah.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 7: And if you're Chris in this situation, I think identifying oh,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 7: I grew up poor and this is why I have
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 7: anxiety or fears or the golden handcuffs around money, I
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 7: think that bringing awareness to where that comes from is
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 7: super important and maybe take some time thinking back, what
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 7: was life growing up like? Clients I've worked with that
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 7: come from really low income, poor situations. You really have
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 7: to dive in and say, like, well, how did my
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 7: parents or family spend their money?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: When was it okay?
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 7: Like why am I feeling that anxiety around a new item?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 7: And maybe if you're poor when you got a new item,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 7: you couldn't even use it or you didn't want to
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 7: use it, Like there's a lot tied emotionally to growing
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 7: up with them.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's definitely a historical perspective and a traumatic experience.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: And then like the.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: Diminishing marginal utility of money. You know this concept where
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: like every dollar that you have is less valuable than
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: the dollar that came before it. So like you know,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: it's you know, for someone who grow up grew up wealthy, Okay,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: three grand on a couch, It's like okay, yeah, well
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: that's what good couches cost, right, That's that's you want
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: a good couch, that's what's going to cost you, or
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: my case, if you want a really shitty couch, I
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: was going to microwave.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: I think you have microwaves. I think that's pretty pretty obvious.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: I am also really for starting a gofund me so
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: we can get this fucker a real microwave. We're running
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: science tests internationally to figure out what's wrong with his microwave.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: I feel like maybe we should just raise some money.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: You know, microwaves is coming up soon, so maybe.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: I think we know what we're getting. That's probably great anyway, Chris,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: good luck with this. It's a great question. I love
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: that it piggybacks on last week's question and hopefully we
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: gave you some useful feedback in this.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: But oh, I was going to answer his third one
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 7: at this after spending tens of dollars? How do I
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 7: justify the expense to myself right in every week question?
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well answer it.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Just keep them spam the questions.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: Get your money's with But no, and thank you for
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: your support. You know really, honestly, the tens of dollars
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: it does mean a lot to it. Here.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: Here's what this tells me, and it's something that actually
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: Matt Donnelly says on ice Cream Social, which is if my.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Wife, yes, I remember him saying that ile Hitler. Yeah,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: another good drop.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I ringtop automatically sent to you and help me
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: if this show is worth more than zero dollars do you.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, yeah, okay.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: From that perspective, it's like, okay, well, if this show
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: has helped you and you financially contributed to it, and
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: that's great and.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: You should you should feel okay about that.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: But we do four shows a month, we do eight.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: We really do eight shows a month. If you are
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: a Patreon yeah, and so for eight shows a month,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: you know, ten bucks a month doesn't sound too bad.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: If any some people can't do it. If you can't
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: do it, you can't do it, Yeah, then that's when
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: you go out and you do some legwork. You got
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: you tell people about us, you leave reviews on these sites.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you do all of those things. And but if
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: you can, you do all of those things and you throw.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: Ten bucks a month into the kitty and it keeps
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 5: the show going.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: I'm glad we get a chance to promo that because
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: last week I took a vacation with the family with
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: spring break, and so I think I got everything programmed
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: to drop correctly. But in the last two weeks, I
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: know that the Thursday episode that goes up to the
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: general audience got delayed a little bit because I just
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: messed up the widgets or something of that effect. And
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: then on one of them, I didn't get to correct
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: the ads, so it was just spamming ads and like
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Chef does, like the full spreaker spam like it's so
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: fucking annoying. And if that affected you, and you're like, god,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: damn it, this sucks. Like I look forward to this
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: show all week long and it was delayed or it
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: had all these ads. You appear to lie, make us
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: a lot, bucking the hat and support something that matters
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: to your world. Now I realized, I realized from the
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: listener's perspective, it's hard to say, like, hey, if you
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: don't like this product, pay for it.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Be real shame something bad happening to trust us? Yeah,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: cost us that.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: The paid versions better. Honestly, I can't fuck it up.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: The paid one's easy. Jacob hits published. I uploaded to Patreon.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: It's done. No, Jim doesn't monkey with it anyway.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: We're gonna take a quick break and when we come back,
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  Speaker 1: game and Whitney's down one.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Jim, here's Johnny.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: Oh that oh fuck? Oh okay, Okay. That's confusing because
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: that's it's a quote of a quote. Uh, I think fuck?
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: Is it one flu over the Cuckoo's Nest. I'm just
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: talking rhetorically. Do not do not register that it's the
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: guy from One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest?
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: Uh, fuck you, he's inside.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: It's a few good men.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: No, No, it's a fucking I think Jim is trying
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: to get to Jim McMahon.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: Oh oh uh, it's a cold he's cold, and he's
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: got an axe shining, shining, the shining.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: The shining, Yes, correct, I wouldn give him. I was
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: not giving credit for shining. Jack Nicholas Whitney.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: Yes, I'll be back.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: I am back from the office. That's not my answer.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: I was quoting the office. Michael Scott is that the Terminator.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: It is a Terminator. It definitely is. Like half a
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: dozen other artists.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: Would have accepted the Last Action Hero.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 7: Or Terminator to any other Terminator movie that terminator dot
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 7: dot dot.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: Why don't you make like a tree and get out
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: of here?
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: That would be back to the future.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: I'm so glad I don't have any of these questions.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: That is that is Biff and back to the future
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: one uh. And then he says some similar things back
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: to the future too.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: If he's wrong, you gotta pass it.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: To pass.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: I would like to argue that it's back to the
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: future too. And young Biff talking to old Biff when
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: that shows up with the almanac.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: I just remember that it was young Biff. I remember
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: trying to talk to.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: You take this thing, and he said, won't you make
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: like a tree and get.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: The hell out of here?
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: It is still in points, Jim, let's go, uh, Jim,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: I ain't got time to bleed.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: Oh fuck, I ain't got time to bleed.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: That is how shit is it?
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: Predator? I'll take Predator.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: All right, Whitney, please be princess again.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: Game over man, game over options. I have no idea
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: Aliens Platoon, Full Metal Jacket, The Running Man.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: Damn it.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just gonna tell you that I'm confused.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: I'm mixed between golf Ball through Gardens because there are
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: two movies on there that I run together in my head.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: Up, say the answers again.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: Sorry, Aliens, Platoon, Full Metal Jacket, The Running Man.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: Oh my god.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: And what's the quote game over Man game over.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: Platoon. I don't know. I'm guessing.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: It passes.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: I said Platoon that it's Full Metal Jacket, it's Alien.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: Game over Man, game over, game over.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: I was going to guess, but I was like, why
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: would the game over an alien?
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: So I have not seen Predator or.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: Predators seen any of those?
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: Oh man, all right, Jacob last one, hold.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: On, I'm still looking up. Biff gets in both.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: It is, but definitely the context and the actual quote.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: If it's in both, then it's oh, he's showing us
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: a video with no captions.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 5: No, but it's in the in the cafeteria in the
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: first movie and there's no sound, but trust us.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: Also, my favorite quote like that of like make like
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: a tree and leaf is the was and get the
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: hell out of here.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, No, I don't think.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: What do you mean it would be number two? No,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: it doesn't get out of here ship.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's both all right, all right, points,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: all right, all right, he keeps his points, but I
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: keep the alien point, which still puts me up one.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: Okay, Jacob, what I'm too old for this ship?
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Oh God, damn it, that sounds great, great movie. I
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: guess I just grew up on this ship. I had
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: older relatives that.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: Were constantly I mean, it's a lot of movies. Oh,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: it's one movie. Okay, it's other movies.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: Quote this movie because the quote is so good.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: Fine, but that means that it's in the other movies.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: Whatever they were thinking when they wrote it down. It's
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: still in there. Gym's up by one.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: They give me options, all right, Oh, Beverly Hills Cop,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: lethal Weapon, die Hard forty eight hours, all good movies.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: Oh, good movies, die Hard, thethal Weapon, Man. They both
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 5: it might be Danny Glover and lethal weapon. Not wait, yeah,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 5: Danny Lover. It might be Dan Lover and leathle Weapon.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: It might be it could easily be die Hard. I
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 5: think it's lethal weapon.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: It is weapon.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: I also would have accepted Maverick. No, not top Gun, Maverick, No,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: Maverick mel Gibson. Yeah, because he makes a cameo and
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: he robs the bank.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: Ship.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: I made my son watch Maverick the other day.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: You fucking love.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: That came to my head immediately when you said that
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 5: is the Expendables, Oh, because I'm pretty sure they say
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 5: it in every Expendables movie.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: You what movie we just watched this past weekend for
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: the first time, The Sting Huh with Robert Redford.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: And yes, yes, oh ship that was ever seen?
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 6: It is?
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 7: It was?
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: It was like, people just think of Paul Newman as
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: the fucking salad dressing guy. Does he do anything? He's
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: Paul Newman was the most famous actor in the world
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: for you, in the salad industry.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: That's little wheel matter the most famous.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: So George Foreman just died and everyone thinks that he's
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: a barbecue guy.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: George was the scariest man on the planet for a
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: decade he and I had after school.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 5: If you go back and watch George Foreman fight, he
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: is a terrifying human being.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not that sandwich.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 5: He's a teddy be named all of his sons George. George,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: his sons, George, do you have a tie breaker for
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 5: a her?
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: Here we go? What the fuck? It's just my turn?
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: How is it your turn? I'm because we started on
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: you yet I was the last question. How did I
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: fall behind? When I've hit all my two's? And here
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: you go, We're gonna because you didn't get to steal.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: Here's got hursty, here's the trek you kept score math,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: here's the tiebreaker?
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: All right? You got to buzz in for this? Is
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: it a buzzer? We have to say? Can we just
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: get Jim yelled and screamed until he got his points.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: Your job is to figure out who buzz is in first?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, go are you gonna stop reading the question? Whin someone?
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: All right? Life moves pretty fuzz Life moves pretty fast.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: You got to stop.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: And oh, I don't have to get the quote. It's
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: fair Spuelller's day at day off, it is, Yes, give
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: me that doctor back.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: I didn't anything he knew better, God damn it. Yeah,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: you could have put steaks up against that doctorate Shitta
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: sushi gets a doctor. Yeah, this is when you need
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: to have somebody betting sushi against you. I know you
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: need to offload the sushi bed. There you go.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: I need to start aiming for that because it is
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: not looking good. Remember that one year when I won
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: and then instantly bet the sushi and lost.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: Oh that was the best. It was the best.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: One.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: I forgot that too.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 5: Next week after Jim One he bet sushi on trivia
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: or whatever it was and lost.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: That had to buy sushi, Yeah, Jacob had Jacob was
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: the loser of the sushi bread. That's right, And and
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: I bet him the sushi that I was right, and
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: I was gonna it was double or nothing, and that
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: was it. He's gonna have to buy me sushi twice
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: and I lost a double sushi rejoiced like a loser.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: Tat I don't remember that this happened.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it was very difficult.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: Curious.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: As we wrap up the show, we want to remind
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: you can sign up at patreon dot com slash therapy.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: You get our extended show. You usually hang out for
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: up to an hour before the show every show. When
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: you hear us laughing and coming in, that is just
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: Jacob hitting the theme music mid sentence when we're doing something.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: Start the show when I think the show needs to start.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it, unlike Brady thought that we just chuckle.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: Artificial record also start laughing. That was a great interview.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: I listened to it.
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  Speaker 2: I love this quotes thing. I just I want quotes forever.
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  Speaker 1: I know that is the best.
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  Speaker 2: We could do that for every decade, and I will
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  Speaker 2: suck at everything that.
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  Speaker 1: Is not the eighties thirties. Oh my god, what do
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  Speaker 1: you toast can do.
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  Speaker 3: Silently?
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, that would be pretty You're a pretty dame, Buster
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