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Heather Roan Robbins - Starcodes · Destination Unlimited with Victor Fuhrman

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My name is Victor Furman. Some call me the Voice. I've always been
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fascinated with human nature, spirituality, science and the crossroads at which they meet.
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Join me now and we will explore these topics and so much more with
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fascinating guests, authors and experts who will guide us to Destination Unlimited. William
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Shakespeare wrote, it's not in the stars to hold our destiny, but ourselves.
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Is their choice based astrology? And how may learning about this enhance our
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paths? My guest this week on Destination Unlimited, Heather Rowan Robbins is a
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practical, intuitive, choice oriented astrologer with forty plus years experience, and interfaith
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minister and author of the book Star Codes and the Star Codes Astro Oracle Deck
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for hay House. She writes the weekly Star Codes Forecast, and her books
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include Moon Wisdom and Everyday Palmistry. Her website is Rowanrobins dot com, and
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she joins me this week to share her fascinating path and new book Star Codes.
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Navigate your chart with choice based Astrology. Please join me in welcoming to
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Destination Unlimited. Heather Rowan Robbins. Welcome, Heather. Hello, It's wonderful
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to be here Heather, thank you so much for joining us and discussing your
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fascinating new book Star Codes Navigate your Chart with choice based astrology, as well
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as the Star Codes astro Oracle decks. Before we discuss these, your life
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path is fascinating, please share with our listeners your early life, including the
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out of body experiences that opened your awareness and other influences. Gladly, and
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I want to point out that most everybody's life is fascinating if you can help
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them sort out what were the turning points in their life. So when I
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condense my turning points and the moments of revelation, it looks pretty cool.
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And my life has been on an interesting journey. It's not been that you
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know, wildly out there in the world, but it's been a really interesting
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inner journey. And so I just say that before I begin that I want
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to honor everybody's path. Now, I started out my parents were older.
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My father was an abstract mathematician. He was a topologist Walter Gottstak, and
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my mother was a psychiatric nurse. If you put them in a blender,
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you get an astrologer. As far as I'm concerned, that sense of seeing
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pattern in the universe. Although I am numerically somewhat dyslexic. You don't want
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to put me on a cash register or have me balance a bank book.
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But I can read numbers and circle and I see patterns in a circle very
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well, so that minor dyslexia has actually been a gift as an astrologer.
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So my mother was always talking about what was going on in behind people's psyche.
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It could be a little bit of a pain as a kid when I'm
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saying, hey, she hit me today in school, and she would sit
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me down and go, well, that's because her family's doing this, and
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then going through that, you have to feel for her. I wish she
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had said stop her and then let's understand her story. But I got to
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learn patterns in families very early on, to hear the stories and to look
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for with compassion into people's lives. So I really appreciate that part of the
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early training from them. And I was born allergic to my own antibodies,
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and that means that if I started to get a cold, I would come
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down with croup and really severe croup. The first few years. When I
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was about five, they started allergy shots, which began to help but it
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you know that I have been told that I'm not technically allergic to my own
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end of bodies, but that was a description given to me as a kid
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for my autoimmune system. But my immune system would either not react or overreact.
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But I remember them carrying me. I remember seeing watching my father carrying
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me over his shoulder into the bathroom where they would turn on the steam,
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turn me upside down, whack my back and get me breathing again. But
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I'm watching it from a point of view of about twenty feet over our stairs,
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and that process, and it happened a couple of times, and all
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of a sudden, I'd wake up, you know, being thwacked in a
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steamy room upside down and got my breath back. But that place of I
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became very aware that we are not just our bodies. And I was really
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surprised when other people thought we were. And but I couldn't, you know,
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really share that. But I have a very distinct memory of it,
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and it was even more real in some ways than my waking life. So
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that was strong. I had sort of a leaky psyche. I think my
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mother did also. I think I got it from her side of the family.
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Although I don't think she was all that aware of it. Her mother
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died in the flu epidemic of the nineteen eighteen flu epidemic at the very end
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of that, and she was born premature as her mother was dying, and
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I think to survive that. I think her mother was with us. Her
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mother's spirit was with us all her life, because I felt her mother's spirit
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in the room when she died, and she had seen her mother a few
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times during the process. So I think that leaky psychic is something that runs
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in that we just kind of pick up things, and it probably came from
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my great grandmother. But in any case, learning to hold boundaries is one
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of the things that I find that most people need when I'm teaching intuition development.
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Most people don't need to get their started, They need to learn to
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interpret their symbols and to know how to close it down and protect themselves,
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you know, psychic hygiene one oh one in order to feel comfortable opening it
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up. You know, I watched that process in those early years, and
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in your first year of high school you had a synchronistic introduction to astrology.
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Please tell us about the school's amazing switchboard operators. I will and again,
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how interesting the universe puts your teachers in your path. I had already when
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I was eleven, taken you know, they used to be able to make
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potato stamp stamps out of potato and use those as to make patterns. Well,
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I had made a calendar of the year with each month with the signs
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color coded in them, so in a first astrological calendar by sun sign when
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I was eleven, and I had already started collecting mythologies from around the world
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and just sort of reading them and you know, collecting those books. So
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I go to high school and it then back in the day when you had
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switchboard operators. That's how old I am and how old that school was.
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And the niece of a Carol Ryder, who was a famous Hollywood astrologer,
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was the telephone operator there. And I kind of started hanging around her and
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listening to her, and I noticed that with her books she was a better
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counselor than our school psychologist. Without her books, she was a nice lady,
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but she was missing that edge of insightfulness. And so I thought,
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there's something in those books, in those in those maps that she has that
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I want to know more. About one day. I was sitting there helping
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her at the switchboard so she could talk to other people and you know,
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have a good time. And she was U saw teachers and she had everybody's
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chart who worked there. She saw an elderly man and a young man who
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were teaching there, and she said, could you guys be a little careful
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this weekend? There's some tough aspects and I just just be a little careful,
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and they all she had, sure, Sure, And one the elderly
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man was eighty four, which is you know, urinous return, and it
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was the drama teacher and he died of a heart attack on stage. The
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other was a young man who fell down some stairs and broke a leg or
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an arm, I can't remember which limb. And I said, okay,
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I need to know more. What did you see? Here's some evidence that
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you're not just imagining. It helped me understand and how else could they have
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used that besides hurt themselves, because those aspects are not always harmful, but
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they are sudden changes. How could you use that in a good way?
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And I started my approach to choice space astrology right there at the get go.
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She gave me some of the basics of astrological understanding, and she sent
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me to you know, back in those days, occult bookstores weren't that common.
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She told me, you know, go to New York, go to
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this street, go to the second floor. Knock on the door. It
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won't say occult books on there are just knock on the door, and you've
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got rooms full of astrology, of all kinds of occult books. So I
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got my first book there, and I took my ephemeris, which is the
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a book that says you know where the planets were at any particular day with
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me when I ran away from home and when I did all kinds of adventures
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during my adolescence, and I looked up everybody's anybody I met, I said,
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can I you know when were you born? And let me just write
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down where your sun, moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, where all
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the planets were when you were born. And now I can watch you and
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you can teach me what those mean or what they could meet. And so
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I started bringing that in. I then worked and the personnel office of you
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know, a store, and a larger store, and then in a spa
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later on, and I had everybody's birth information there and so I followed everybody.
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I used it for counseling or helping mediate, but I mainly got to
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watch what happened to everybody when certain transits happened, and got to let them
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tell me again about their what those charts meant. So that was how I
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started off. And a few years later you were introduced to palmistry by an
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art history teacher. What was that experience like social murkugee in my That was
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also back in high school, the third high school I went to. I
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was not an easy teenager. So the third social Mukerjie was the music history
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teacher and the music teacher, and he played the tablas, and he was
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from India. He was hilarious and wonderful, but he also would you know,
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I saw him teaching the basics of palmistry and I wanted to know more.
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Again, he said to me about one of my closest friends, keep
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an eye on her, would you I just just I'm a little worried about
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her chart keep an eye on her over time, and several years later she
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was murdered. And I think because she wasn't really playing it safe in her
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life, and so I think he was right. He was worried, and
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I could see it in her chart. But with the experience of the palmistry,
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I saw, you know, he could teach me where the basics where
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to look for things in the hand. And then when people found out in
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the high school that I was interested in palmistry, they started giving me a
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strong palmistry books wherever if they found one at an old bookstore or something.
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So I started collecting them and I would take home prints using ink and a
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roller for doing prints, and do palm prints and then watch them. I
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also got to see them change because adolescents are in such a you know,
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malleable place that you can see the changes in their hands very quickly. But
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even in adults, if you take prints of people's hands. Nowadays we can
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just take photographs on our phone, but take photographs of your the hands and
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watch them over time when you make a major decision. For instance, if
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someone started, you know, retired and stop working quite so hard, their
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lifeline might grow or it might shrink, depending upon how that affected their health.
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If they started drinking heavily or stopped drinking heavily, you'll see the change
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and the fine network of lines over their hand so it would show me that
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we can change our future by changing by making decisions in our present life.
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I retired March twenty ninth, and my lifeline has extended two and a half
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inches. I bet, and congratulations, thank you, thank you. A
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friend's illness brought you to Santa Fe, New Mexico, where you became part
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of the Santa Fe Professional Astrology Form. Your colleagues described your practice as rounded
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and pragmatic, which you say in Santa Fe is not an oxymoron. Tell
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us more about this place. Okay, Back when I was there, Santa
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Fe was known for its woo woo high woo woo content. And I'll talk
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about how I got there. But the Santa Fe joke was, you know,
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why does the Santa Fe across the road, And the answer was because
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they were channeling the chicken and it was and I saw some really horrible examples
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of that. But you know, if he was like, oh, I
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need chocolate, my guides tell me I must have chocolate, and go like,
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no, honey, it's not your guys. You just want chocolate.
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It's okay, you can just ask for chocolate. But I would see when
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I got there, I was driving across country. My kids had come to
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visit their father who was living outside of Santa Fe, and I my friend
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was there, so I visited her while I was driving across country and she
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was sick, so we took her to the hospital and they said she had
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four months to live. It was progressive inherited bowel cancer. So I figured,
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if the universe brings your best friend where your children live, and there
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was far away from where I was living at the time in Rhode Island,
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that I was being hauled there by spirit, Okay, I'll come. And
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I agreed to stay there and see my friend through the end and then see
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how I felt about living around my kids. I got to know Santa Fe,
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which can be a little touristy if you come in from the outside,
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from the hospice team, out from real healers that were volunteering with hospice,
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and I got to see, you know, got to know them. I
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would spend time in the library. In the library, if you look up,
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they have pieces of amethyst hanging in the lights, not so that you
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can see them easily, but to give amethyst energy to the library. That's
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the kind of place it was. There are more healers than you could shake
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a stick at, and so many astrologers that have felt like bringing coals to
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Newcastle. But at the first big astrological forum I went to where there was
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a panel of astrologers talking and several hundred people in the audience I who were
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astrologically savvy and asking good questions. I answered something from the floor and they
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said, come on up here, and I came up and sat with them
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and we started, you know, we answered more questions and I got to
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be close friends with them, and I was invited to do talks with them,
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and it would just hit the ground running. At the time, the
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local newspaper asked the whole forum who would like to write a regular astrological column
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for one other astrologer, and I volunteered to do this. The other astrologer
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was the one who came up with the name. Edith Hathaway, who is
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a Vedic astrologer, came up with the name star Codes and we wrote it
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together for a while. Then she decides she didn't really want to write it.
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I asked her could I keep the name? And I've run with it
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ever since. She went on to do something else and for over thirty years.
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I've been writing a column every week looking at the astrological week of the
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energy of the week ahead, and then watching what happens. So I can't
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get too specific in the you know, one thousand plus words that I have
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to work with, but I can talk about the energy patterns that we see
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manifest. And I've done this. I do a year ahead for wee moon
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calendar, and I've been writing for the Santa Fe New Mexican newspaper and met
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several websites who published the long form of the column for over thirty years now,
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and it has been a hell of a discipline. No matter what's going
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on, who's dying, what's happening. I have gotten that thing out COVID.
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I got it out and it has been an incredible learning experience to see
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those articles, to see to write those articles and then see what actually happens,
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go and correct my understanding. What else did you study in Santa Fe,
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which you describe as your heart home. Yeah, it's still always that
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landscape will always be in you. I learned to really in a way that
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it was hard to do back East, to really draw energy from the land
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and let the land teach you and feel the divine in every bee and every
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flower, in every tree, in every rock, and so that really extended
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this. I also worked with a shamanic study group. There were four of
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us, all in the various forms of healing fields, I think, three
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therapists and me and it. We would every other week meet and go on
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a shamanic journey with the drumming. One of us would drum while the other
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experienced, share the stories that share what we had seen. Notice what we
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all had in common and what we didn't. We're using felicitous goodman work.
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And she had studied how people around the world their shamans, their drawings,
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and their sculpture of shamans seem to be in certain positions, and that when
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she put people in those positions to do shamanic work without telling them what they
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were, they often had common elements to their journey. So we noticed that
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what we kind of tracked, what our experiences were that shared in the room,
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what was individual to our life, and what was common to this particular
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position. And then we'd get back together in a few weeks and say,
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how did that resonate in you? What change in your life over those two
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weeks? So we did this version for about four or five years. That
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was powerful understanding of the kind of shamanic journey work can trance state. I
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studied hypnotherapy, though I never got certified, but it taught me a lot
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about how to do ritual, how to do ceremony, how to do even
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a worship service. When I got to New York and went into the Interface
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Seminary, that how important it is to involve all of our senses when we
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want to bring the psyche fully present to this moment and be here and be
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in the here, in all the dimensions here. So that was really powerful
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learning. We share being graduates of the New Seminary and ordained as interfaith ministers
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through the Associated Temple, through our Order nations, we came to serve those
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traumatized by the events of nine eleven. What was your experience like, Well,
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you know, I got to New York. My mate we got married
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in this is how I got to New York is an interesting story too.
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I heard I kept having dreams in Santa Fe that I would every now and
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then the dreams would be different, but the phone would ring in the dream
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and I'd answer it, and I would hear in a deep voice, female
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voice, I am sending you back to the front lines, and I go,
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what does that mean? You know, it's like, is it time
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to leave my wonderful Santa Fe in fairy tale land almost where I've learned so
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much. And we got married in May of two thousand and one, and
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on our honeymoon, Wren was offered a job outside of New York City.
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I go, front lines. Wow, that's pretty heavy, but okay,
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you know, that's what spirit's been telling me. We moved to New York
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in August of two thousand and one, and we you know, we were
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there. I Ben was there. I was back in Santa Fe closing up
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shop when the nine to eleven happened and we heard the you know, you
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remember you could smell burning bodies for a good six months. It the power
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of a whole countryside going through that grief and that shock together was so intense,
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and it was very hard to break into New York City in the middle
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of that. But we were all dealing with what's important in the face of
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life and death. And I had one client that I had had for years
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as an astrologer back in Santa Fe who lived in New York and was a
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paramedic and she as a ParaMed They co worked with dogs, and she also
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spoke French. Father was French, and she was down at ground zero.
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She was one of the you know down there right away. She was in
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New York when it happened, so she went straight down and she was one
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of the group that stabilized, one of the very few people they got out
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of the rubble alive. She also translated for the French search and rescue team
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that brought their dogs over and was helping search. So for three months,
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she was down there every day working in the trenches, and I couldn't do
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anything else. I didn't know New York well enough to help down there,
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but I could let her tell me her stories every night because she needed to
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download, like finding body parts or dealing with people in grief, and so
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I would just listen to her stories and kind of listen for the universe and
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listen for the soul. One of my close friends in Santa Fe was followed
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the Sufi path and she was the emergency counselor on when we brought my friend
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in and they told her that she had cancer and she was going to be
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dead. In four months and I said, how do you do this day
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after day? You're the emergency room counselor what do you do? And she
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goes, well, in my training, I imagine that I am listening for
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God. I it's not me. I am imagining a giant heart and my
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arms are wings, and the wings of God are holding this person and I
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am just listening. It's going straight through me to spirit. That was a
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very powerful teaching to me about the role of spiritual counseling. Then I was,
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you know, I was kind of saying, here I am in New
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York, Well, like, how do I get more tools to help my
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people. I've got this great map, but how do I actually connect with
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people and give them something? And I'd like to do more? And that's
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when I found, you know, went to the interfaith seminary. I went
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to an open house and Rabbi Roger, who was one of the two people
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you know, Reverend deb and Rabbi Roger ran the school then. And Rabbi
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was talking about being down in the pit uh after nine to eleven with chaplain
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on his his helmet, and he talked about it and he probably you probably
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heard this story when you know the everybody was working, and the machinery was
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there, and there was but there were a lot of construction people down there
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that had no training and how to handle trauma. You know, the first
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responders do have some basics. Uh. But so the the you know noon
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bell, you know, the break bell rang and he saw someone get out
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of a crane and just start crying. So he walked over and handed the
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person kleenex. And the guy saw him, saw the chaplain and start talking
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and telling him all about it. And he just kept handing him kleenex,
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Niah nodding and listening and listening and listening, and and then the bell rang
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and the guy said, I got to get back, and they said okay,
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and and Rabbi just said bless you and went on and he saw him.
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He saw that man two weeks later in the church they were using as
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the kind of central area, and the guy said, Rabbi, I want
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to thank you. What you said make all the difference. But he hadn't
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said anything, but he had listened with that open heart. That's right.
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What a wonderful sharing. Thank you, Thank you so much. My guest
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is Heather Roland Robbins. We're going to be talking about her new book Star
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Codes navigate your chart with choice based astrology. Heather, Please share with our
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guest this week Heather Roland Robbins. We're going to be talking about her new
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book Star Codes, Navigate Your Chart with Choice Based Astrology. Let's start talking
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about some of your older books before we talk about Star Codes. Okay,
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but what did you share in everyday palmistry? Okay? That goes back to
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my first promised friend. I find that there are some wonderful books out there
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if you really are ready for advanced palmistry. But I had looked read all
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of them, and I boiled it down to some basic patterns that you can
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spot pretty easily and are the underpinnings. You can get those underpinnings, then
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the details can be built up later. You know what's exactly this this whurral
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versus that world all the some specific details, but most of the people.
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At the time, I was working part time as the personnel manager for ten
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thousand Waves, which is a spa in Santa Fe that had one hundred and
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twenty massage therapist working there twenty on at any one time. And they always
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look at hands, They're always shaking hands. They're always looking at hands,
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and they would ask me questions about it. They didn't want details, but
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they wanted, like, you know what I see? This? What am
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I seeing? And I noticed that it's something that I used a lot more
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informally. I read tarot cards. I work with other divination skills. I'm,
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you know, an astrologer, but you don't have that when you say
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hello to someone or shake their hands or talk to them or see them waving
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in public, which you do with a lot of public figures. And I
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found that palmistry was something that I used a lot, just the basics of
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it, not going into the details of their history or the future, but
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to see how to balance it. That's why I call it every day palmistry.
28:47
It is scient a way that you can see what is the strong strong
28:52
suit for the person, what's their weakness, and they might want to develop
28:56
by exercise in life and living so they can round themselves out. I think
29:00
of life, we all kind of long to be a mandola. We all
29:04
long to be whole and full, and if we're missing something in our chart
29:08
or in our hand, we tend to bring it in through experience or the
29:12
people around us. So or by experiences that express that develop that side of
29:18
us. So I wanted to look at palmistry as a way of empowering most
29:23
people to use it not to predict somebody's future, but to understand them with
29:29
an open heart. So it's designed for people who shake hands, see hands,
29:33
look at hands. And if you want to learn more advanced palmistry,
29:37
it's a great beginning because it gives you that gets you a good, strong
29:41
foundation in the basics moon wisdom. So moon wisdom is talking about people's moon
29:49
signs. Now, most people know something about their sun's sign and they know
29:53
like my son is in and that changes once a month. The moon changes
29:57
sign every two days, two and a half days. And it tells you
30:02
about someone's inner emotional prime directive, how they operate, what helps them feel
30:07
at home, and it can feel very different. There's you know, one
30:11
hundred and forty four accommodations of those two. And if you can get someone's
30:15
moon sign and understand them, you know how to work with them. You
30:19
know how to help them feel at home, you know how their emotional patterns
30:26
might be different than your own. And if you know what sign the moon
30:30
is in every day and that's easy to find online. You can find it
30:33
anywhere if you like. What do you do? There's a lot of astrological
30:37
calendars. Wee Moon Calendar is one of them, but there are many.
30:41
You can see what's the emotional milieu that you're walking through. I used to
30:45
notice when I was living in New York that I could tell the moon sign
30:51
by how people were dressed on the subway. You know, moon goes into
30:53
Scorpio, you see people looking a little more defensive, that got their hobnailed
30:57
boots on. They're dressing a little bit more black, they're kind of looking
31:00
at it edgier. That doesn't mean they're feeling any less deeply. As a
31:03
matter of fact, they're just armoring up because they're feeling more or the moon
31:07
goes into Aquarius and people's strangers start walking up and talking to you. That
31:11
you can find that it gives you a little sense of the vibe of the
31:15
day. So Moon Wisdom talks about your moon sign, the aspects to your
31:21
moon, the phase of your moon, and how that can help you understand
31:25
yourself and the people that you love and work with. It also can tell
31:30
you how to work with them. What's the moon sign of the day and
31:33
the aspects to the moon. Well, that can help you navigate your day
31:38
more comfortably. Your first oracle deck in the series is entitled star Code's Astro
31:45
Oracle of fifty six card deck and guidebook. How many these be used?
31:51
Anyway you want? You know if you've worked with oracle decks, they're different
31:53
from tarot decks and that they're not an organized system. So much pull a
32:00
card and see what it feels like, or ask a few questions and see
32:05
where you go with those. What I did with the Astro Oracle deck is
32:09
you know, I work with astrology. I'm work with I have you know,
32:13
a collection of tarot decks too, But and I have loved if you've
32:17
seen them animal medicine cards, that are you pick up an animal and like,
32:22
how do I handle this situation like a hummingbird? How would I do
32:27
it like a hummingbird? And you read about the hummingbird's medicine, you take
32:30
maybe a more gentle approach than you might have in another way. You know,
32:36
oh, like a wolf, I need to kind of pull back and
32:38
think about this and take on the medicine of this card. So I liked
32:43
that idea of how an oracle deck works. It talks to you about the
32:46
medicine that you need at the moment. It talks to you not so much
32:51
about what's going to happen, but what are the dynamics of this situation and
32:57
how might you best handle it? You can pull a few cards go along
33:00
with that. Congratulations on your just published new book, star Codes. Navigate
33:06
your chart with choice based Astrology. What inspired that book? Okay, so
33:12
the book goes along the same pattern as the deck, so that you again.
33:17
One other piece about the deck was that you could pull a car today
33:22
and slowly learn all the astrological terms and concepts. So you didn't have to
33:27
know anything about astrology when you began it, but it began to teach you
33:30
them because there's such a strong symbol set. And I find that the language
33:35
of astrology is what makes it hard for people to start it. So I've
33:39
been working with clients for over forty years, and I find that if people
33:45
I kept wanting to write a book because I couldn't find quite the beginning astrology
33:51
through some great beginning astrology books out there, but not ones that I could
33:54
hand them. My client say, read this. It will invite you in
33:58
and walk you through your chur and give you a place to go afterwards if
34:02
you want to study in more in depth. But I really wanted to invite
34:07
them in not simplistic, but simple and clear and choice centered so they don't
34:14
feel stuck. I often specialize in what I call bad reading rehab, people
34:19
who have come to me and been told you know they're going to die,
34:22
or they're boyfriends of this, or you know, things that are that are
34:27
limiting in the future, rather than how can you use as time to for
34:30
your healthiest, best way, What can you make do to make the most
34:35
of this? Because there is potential in every sign, every symbol, every
34:39
aspect has a positive side, a practical side, and a challenging side.
34:45
And how can we use the positive and the practical to redirect the challenging energy.
34:52
That's what I hope for with the book and with the deck. The
34:55
natal chart is our birth chart. What are some of the life principles we
35:00
may learn from it? So when you walk into life when you're born,
35:06
we take an imprint of the pattern of where the planets were in below the
35:10
earth and above the earth in the signs, how they're relating to each other
35:15
and that maps out your you know, you imprint that moment and that maps
35:21
out I think of that. That's your piano. What the transits are now
35:25
is what's being played on that piano. So we can talk about how you
35:30
know how that pattern in it relates. But each of those patterns that you
35:34
see that you imprint that moment that maybe your soul chose that moment because it
35:39
fits the patterns that you came here to learn from that you're still working on
35:45
from other lives or wherever you came from. And it talks about that pattern
35:50
that you can learn from. Work with your potential, your strengths, not
35:54
from a way that is easy for other people. It's not about how convenient
35:59
you are of others, but who, what how you work, and then
36:04
you can choose to work with that and live its potential as best you can.
36:08
So it talks about your emotional prime directives, how your mind works,
36:13
what makes you feel at home, what brings you joy you know, and
36:17
what are some of the challenging times in your life that you can approach philosophically.
36:22
How does the natal chart change as we go through life? It doesn't
36:28
change. What does change is your progressions. So after you're born, you
36:34
imprint that moment. You may change how you express that chart, but that
36:37
chart stays the same, but the progressions you Then the planets keep moving after
36:44
you're born, and as they move, they sketch in the landscape of your
36:49
life over the next few months, so that throughout your life we find that
36:55
there is a resonance between the where your first year and your first day,
37:02
between your tenth year and your tenth day. So the tenth day can give
37:07
us a map for where what's going on with you, and it doesn't have
37:14
an infinite way of living out that pattern, but you will tend to live
37:17
out that pattern. There are times when the progressed moon, which is the
37:22
fastest moving thing, the moon goes around the zodiac in twenty eight twenty nine
37:28
days, so it goes around your whole chart in twenty eight or twenty nine
37:31
years. And watching where your progressed moon, what sign it's in for those
37:37
two years, what house it's in, whether it's below the chart above the
37:43
chart can talk about the energy inflow and outflow, the tide in your life.
37:49
Now, I'm not asking you for a full reading, but I would
37:52
like to offer my birth signs to you and see if you concur with what
37:55
I've been told. Okay, my son and Capricorn own in Aquarius and cancer
38:02
rising. One friend told me that makes me a hot mess. Nah,
38:07
not at all. So cancer rising the rising sign is that you know,
38:12
if you could have stood when you're a baby, but you couldn't giuse you're
38:15
a baby. But if you could have stood and pointed to the eastern horizon,
38:17
the sign that's there, that's where the sun would be at sunrise,
38:22
that's your rising sign. That's what's rising as you're born, and that's the
38:24
interfaith face between you and the world. That and you say you have a
38:30
cancer rising, the cancer rising, so does Angelina Jolie. The cancer rising
38:37
will make it look somewhat self protective, that it nurtures that one of your
38:42
easiest ways. It's your doorway between you and the world, how you see
38:45
the world and how the world sees you. And in general, a cancer
38:51
rising can be very open and outgoing when there is a way to care and
38:57
to show caring and it feels safe. Cancer's the symbol for the cancer is
39:01
a crab that's soft and squishy on the inside and hard with claws on the
39:07
outside. Very self protective, but able to go very deep. And it
39:10
can live on in fresh water and saltwater and on land in the ocean.
39:15
It's a very versatile sign. It's just very self protective. So if you
39:20
want, if someone wants to really get to know you, they have to
39:23
create real safety for you. If but they may see you creating safety for
39:29
people left and right. Capricorn is one of a powerful sign. The symbol
39:34
of it is a murgoat, not a goat, not a mermaid, but
39:39
a murgoat that's got its fishtail and in a mountain goat front. Out here
39:47
we see mountain goats in Montana, and the mountain goats are brilliant and beautiful
39:53
going up and down the mountains and silly looking walking on flat terrain. Usually
39:59
ca corns need a goal. They need like the goal can be let me
40:02
clean that drawer, or let me finish this book, or let me accomplish
40:07
this. And if they don't have a goal, they can get depressed,
40:10
but they feel great going up, you know, let the chunk it down,
40:15
do one little task before the next one to the next one. I
40:19
think of Martin Luther King's I have a dream speech as the motto for all
40:24
capricorn I have a dream. I went down. I use that mermaid tale
40:29
to go to the bottom of the collective ocean and get a vision. And
40:32
now I'm using my capricorn to walk. You know, as Martin Luther King
40:37
did walk across the country to make it happen, that they can put in
40:42
the effort when they're doing this. A Capricorn with a sense of honor and
40:45
feeling of purpose is a beautiful thing. A Capricorn who's decided they've lost their
40:52
sense of honor can be kind of scary, efficient criminal. But so you
40:57
got that. You know, they need a purpose, they need goals to
41:00
work towards. And then you said your moon and Aquarius. So the moon
41:05
in Aquarius talks about how you were mothered and how the world uh and how
41:09
you what makes you feel at home and that's why you are a good minister
41:15
and why are you on doing this? You are ministering to your community.
41:19
Aquarius is the group experience. It's a fixed air sign. It's a group
41:22
of people talking and working together. And so you know Aquarius. The difficulty
41:28
with Aquarius moon it can usually be in a family that was aware of their
41:32
community or their family kind of more like, what what is your role in
41:38
your world? Not high victor how are you feeling? What do you need?
41:43
So it may have taken you a while to kind of really get to
41:45
know your own what you need and what you feel, but you knew what
41:49
the what the room needed, and what the room fell. You know what
41:52
the community needed and what the family needed, so that that far sightedness,
41:55
which is a real gift of Aquarius which you have to watch out for.
41:59
With Aquarius, Moon is not trying to talk yourself into feelings. That Aquarius
42:05
gift is to kind of understand the truth and then take it out into a
42:08
philosophical understanding. The challenge because every sign has a challenge and every sign has
42:14
a gift. The challenge can be to take a theory this is how the
42:17
world should be, this is what I should feel, and then try to
42:21
cram your experience into it. As long as you start off with your own
42:24
authentic experience and in touch with you, with you feel. That's a real
42:30
gift that Moon and Aquarius, So I think they all work well together.
42:34
So I'm not a hot mess. No, No, you are versatile and
42:38
that's different people who have planets that are a little tricky to put together can
42:44
be you know, the Aquarius says, go be public, the cancer says,
42:47
be very private. So as long as you can work that pattern out
42:52
inside, that actually makes people more interesting and versatile than ones that it's an
42:57
easy put you know, there's no clash or no nothing that you need to
43:01
integrate together. I think that's a really good combination. Thank you, my
43:06
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back on Destination Unlimited. My guest this week is Heather Roland, Robbins.
46:24
We're talking about her new book Star Codes, Navigate Your Chart with Choice Based
46:30
Astrology. Heather, how do the planets come into play? Well, I
46:36
think of the planets when you look at a chart, it's like you're looking
46:39
at family dynamics, and each of the planets plays a part, describes or
46:45
symbolizes a part of our personality and the mythology around the world on these archetypes
46:53
have a lot in common. They're easiest to read from Greek mythology and Roman
46:58
mythology because they're right, they're they're familiar, they're psychological, they're complex.
47:02
But I think it's really important that we also study these archetypes whether or not
47:07
they're they're connected to the planets. But we study the archetypes in the mythologies
47:14
from Africa, from Native America, from China because that it gives us far
47:19
more breadth than just studying the European approach. But we take each of these
47:23
planets refers to a part of our personality and we look at how the what
47:28
sign they're in. And I think of the signs is like the you know
47:31
when you go on a look at a stage lighting. They have gels that
47:36
go over the lights. You know, here's the blue light gel, the
47:38
red light jel, the yellow this is like, here's the you know,
47:42
the the cancer gel. It's the filter through which the light of that planet
47:46
is shining. It can be a way of thinking of the signs, and
47:52
we see the light coming through filtered through that, but each the the energy
47:58
of that planet is familiar from when we read. It's also not just the
48:04
mythology of the planet, though that's a really powerful way to look at it.
48:07
We can look at how the how the planet actually functions symbology in the
48:13
Solar system, and then think of that symbolically, Mercury goes around the Sun
48:19
every seventy seven days. It spins very fast. It's the planet closest to
48:22
it, it's hot, it spins, and we all you know, describe
48:28
that as the messenger of the gods, who speaks for the for the Sun.
48:34
And in Greek mythology, mercury. When the mercury was speaking for the
48:38
gods, Hermes was speaking for the gods, it was divine. But when
48:44
it was working on its own as a you know, when it was not
48:50
necessarily working for the gods, it was also the god of thieves, the
48:52
first thing it did, you know, the the mythology of Hermes describes was
48:58
stealing Apollo's cattle and hiding it and by putting brushes tied to the tail of
49:04
the cows so as they moved they wiped out their footprints. And then you
49:07
becoming ingenious and inventing a liar to give to the Apollo to apologize for it
49:13
afterwards and get out of trouble. So that's how our minds work. Our
49:16
minds can when we're working for our divine center, when we're working for the
49:22
sake of all sension beings, our minds can be holy and special and kind
49:27
of clear. When we're working just for ourselves, it can be mischievous,
49:30
God of thieves and talk us into an out of anything. So that again
49:36
talks about the role of mercury. But mercury is this hot plant. It
49:38
spins around very fast, and it's when we think of it as so close
49:44
to the sun that it's hard to tell them apart sometimes, But we see
49:47
that little difference of how the mind works versus how the soul works, and
49:52
I think of that as a difference between the sun and mercury. Mercury can
49:55
only be in the same sign as our sun or the one before or afterwards,
49:59
because it's so c and we get the word mercurial meaning changing rapidly.
50:06
And does that come from mercury. It does come from mercury. It comes
50:08
from the liquid that it pours and from the image of you know, mercury
50:15
was always considered non gendered. It could be both to any gender. It
50:19
didn't really have gender mercury, and that it was changeable and that it changed
50:23
to fit the circumstance. So the aspects to your mercury are very important.
50:30
And we see that pattern because it helps you define and what changes the way
50:36
your mind works. You mentioned aspects. We have a few minutes left.
50:38
What are aspects and what do they mean? Aspects are the geometric patterns that
50:44
the planets make with each other. If we put ourselves, we know we're
50:47
not the center, but we're doing it from our perspective here on Earth,
50:52
and that so they do. It's lines of communication and the ones that are
50:57
based on the number three, like trying and sex tiles one six of the
51:00
way around. Our conjunctions tend to be flowing aspects where the planets work together.
51:07
The planets that are based around number four, Like squares and oppositions,
51:13
tend to be tense and kind of pushing, but you need a mix of
51:16
both. The tense aspects are what power us, like a combustion engine.
51:22
If we can get them working together. The tension between the two different needs
51:27
of two planets at right angles to each other can be powerful and really get
51:31
us places that discomfort pushes us to grow and connect. And see, we
51:37
think of it like a teacher. There are teachers that are nice to us,
51:42
and they encourage us and they help us grow. That's like the positive
51:45
aspects. Then there's the teachers that challenge us and ask us to step up
51:47
to the plate, you know, and can give us a hard time but
51:52
believe in us. And you can think of that like the harder aspects.
51:55
That those are ones that you have to meet the challenge to get the power
52:00
and potential out of them. What are transits and progressions? The transits you
52:06
know we have we talk about your natal chart. It is where it is.
52:08
Then the progressions are I mentioned before that process of what your planets look
52:15
like as they unfold over time, what your chart looks would look like by
52:20
progression. I usually start off with the natal chart and put the progressions in
52:23
transits on the outside of that, because you're you always have to come back
52:28
to the natal chart. But the progressions are what's what's what's unfolding in your
52:34
life at the moment, and the transits are really what's being played on your
52:40
piano. That's where the planets are today and how those planets are affecting and
52:45
speaking to your natal chart. What would you like readers to take away from
52:51
star codes. I want them to feel empowered to look at their chart as
52:57
something that opens their options, not closes them down. That encourages them to
53:01
get to know themselves and to feel the pulse in pattern of the world.
53:07
Now, one of the gifts of astrology is that if we're being affected by
53:10
where the planets are and how they're flowing, there's a connection the world.
53:17
We're feeling that synchronistic not causal, synchronistic connection. I always describe it like
53:24
if you're walking by a fence and you see horns on top of the fence.
53:30
You might not want to put your foot underneath the fence. Those horns
53:32
won't hurt your foot, but they're both being moved by something bigger than you
53:37
can see at the moment, and they're related, and so the aspects can
53:42
be like the horns, and the experiences of your life can be like what
53:45
happens the hoofs and you can see the correlation boat, but they point to
53:52
something larger behind it. All of these connections and their empowerment, the fact
53:55
that we can live them out, you know, we have range about how
53:59
to live these aspects out point to that connection, that oneness, that which
54:06
we are all a part of. Please tell us about the new Star Codes
54:12
Astral Pocket Oracle coming out in the fall. Well, these several people have
54:16
said they like that, they love this deck, but they wish it was
54:20
they could use it more like just take it with them, put it in
54:22
their purse, you know, use it to talk to and have a conversation
54:27
with as they're going through their life. So they're coming out with a much
54:30
smaller version of this that it's easier to take places and to work with and
54:35
integrate in your life and keep on your desk. So it's a little more
54:38
discreet if you're using it out in the public, but it's easier to carry
54:43
with you. That's so it's the same deck, same book, smaller so
54:47
that people can use it and that could be pre ordered right now, right
54:51
wonderful, believe it can. And please share with our listeners where they can
54:54
get your books and find out more about you and all of your work.
54:59
My website Rowan Robbins dot com R O A N R O B B I
55:04
N S dot com and from there you can get to my podcast, my
55:09
star Codes weekly or on medium dot com you can subscribe to my weekly astro
55:19
Forecast, or on Facebook at HEATHERN. Robbins dash star Codes. My professional
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page easy to get to, and you can get my books and the deck
55:34
which work well together. The book and they're designed to you can work with
55:37
them separately, or you can work with them together because they mirror each other.
55:43
Is anywhere, but I like to send people to bookshop dot org because
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that supports local bookshops, but you can also get them through Amazon and Barnes
55:52
and Noble. Wonderful. Thank you Heather Rowan Robbins for sharing all of your
55:58
wisdom and experience and this wonderful information. Thank you so much. Thank you
56:02
so much, Victor, wonderful conversation, and thank you for joining us on
56:07
Destination Unlimited. I'm Victor the Voice Furman have a wonderful week,