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Any Idea What The Patrick "Tate" Adamiak Appeal Is All About? · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: All right, let's get right to it. Five past the hour,
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  Speaker 1: second hour, Friday, June twenty seventh, Here on the Morning
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  Speaker 1: Show with Preston Scott, Please to have with us. He
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  Speaker 1: is known as the gun Writer. His work is found
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  Speaker 1: at Thegunwriter dot substack dot com. You can subscribe and
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  Speaker 1: And it's as simple as just going to the website.
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  Speaker 1: And he's Lee Williams. Good morning, Lee, how are you?
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  Speaker 2: Good morning? I'm doing well. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 1: I am doing great. You and I both are compared
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  Speaker 1: to Patrick Tate Adomiak. Let's catch everybody up who is
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  Speaker 1: Tate and tell us about his life, what he was doing,
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  Speaker 1: what he was involved in before he came into the
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  Speaker 1: crosshairs of the ATF.
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  Speaker 2: Tate was a maybe E six. He was their version
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  Speaker 2: of an MP in military's He had been accepted to
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  Speaker 2: go to seal school as an officer. He had a degree,
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  Speaker 2: has a degree, and he was going to go to
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  Speaker 2: basic bugs as a seal officer. Just getting there is amazing.
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  Speaker 2: In the meantime, he had another life where he had
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  Speaker 2: a website where he sold military surplus. I'm not talking guns.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking gun parts, and that was thriving. He would
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  Speaker 2: buy junk basically the way I look at it and
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  Speaker 2: sell it. Guys would buy parts for their guns. The
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  Speaker 2: ATF got a tip that he was selling all kinds
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  Speaker 2: of illegal stuff, so they hit his house, nine separate
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  Speaker 2: law enforcement agencies. They didn't find a damn thing illegal,
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  Speaker 2: So they bring in this kid. The first time he
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  Speaker 2: ever testified in court. He made everything illegal illegally. I
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  Speaker 2: took a RPGs that he had bought rocket Republican Aid
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  Speaker 2: launchers that he had bought at some darre in California.
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  Speaker 2: They were do what They had never fired a rocket.
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  Speaker 2: They were made for training. He paid one hundred bucks
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  Speaker 2: for him. They turned those into rockets. He had a
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  Speaker 2: toy submachine gun, a toy you can buy one right
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  Speaker 2: now and haven't sent your home out of Spain. They
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  Speaker 2: made that into a machine gun. I mean, they just
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  Speaker 2: went absolutely crazy. I think at this point in their
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  Speaker 2: career the ATF was tired of looking like buffoons for
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  Speaker 2: trusting their wrong informants, which they did. In this case,
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  Speaker 2: Tait was the prosekers warned him sentenced to thirty years,
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  Speaker 2: but Q and A, I'm sorry, a special agent, a
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  Speaker 2: senior special agent, Daniel Kelly, who was hired by his
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  Speaker 2: defense team, talked about a ten yere So he was
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  Speaker 2: only sentenced to twenty years in prison. He's on his
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  Speaker 2: fourth year right now, out of prison up in New Jersey.
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  Speaker 2: I got to tell you, I've been doing this for
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  Speaker 2: a long time. I've never talked to anybody who has
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  Speaker 2: eaten that much time that did not do anything wrong.
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  Speaker 2: And I tell you, brother, I've gone through everything that
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  Speaker 2: he's done. There's not a crime there.
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  Speaker 1: You've literally searched out and found everything that was in
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  Speaker 1: the ATF's case and shown that all of those items
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  Speaker 1: are available for purchase legally online in stores in secondhand
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  Speaker 1: marts all over the country right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And some of them were very high dollar items.
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  Speaker 2: These were not items yet for sale. These were items
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  Speaker 2: you had in a safe like mac ten the fires
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  Speaker 2: from an open bolt semi automatically. If you want on
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  Speaker 2: right now, Preston, you're gonna pay about six to seven
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  Speaker 2: grand for that. He had several of those, which, of
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  Speaker 2: course the idiot from the ATF called machine guns. He
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  Speaker 2: had nine hundred and seventy seven flat pieces of metal
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  Speaker 2: that were cut, but they were flat pieces of metal
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  Speaker 2: that needed to be bent and termed. They wanted to
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  Speaker 2: charge him with possessing and seventy seven machine guns. Again,
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  Speaker 2: they're flat pieces of metal that need to be bent
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  Speaker 2: and tooled, and I don't know what to make them
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  Speaker 2: many machine guns. That's what our great guy, Dan O'Kelly
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  Speaker 2: was able to talk to judge out of doing, thus
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  Speaker 2: saving him ten years in prison. Now I interviewed Dan O'Kelly.
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  Speaker 2: He's spent twenty four years in the ATF as a
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  Speaker 2: senior official. I mean he joined in ninety eight having
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  Speaker 2: got a cop. For ten years, ran the ATF in Delaware,
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  Speaker 2: ran the Atlanta Tampa Field Division. Was a hell of
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  Speaker 2: an instructor in the National Academy, wrote a technology course
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  Speaker 2: for ATF personnel, which they're still using. This is the
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  Speaker 2: guy that the defense brought in. This is the guy
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  Speaker 2: that the prosecution wouldn't allow to testify except for those
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  Speaker 2: nine and seventy some flat piece of metal they wanted
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  Speaker 2: to call a machine guns. This is the guy that
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  Speaker 2: got him ten years. And I asked him, I said,
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  Speaker 2: should a Domiak be in prison? He said no, No,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, did the ATF covet forerjury, and he basically said, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Lee, when you talk about the prosecution wouldn't let him,
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  Speaker 1: didn't want him to testify, referring to retired ATF senior
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  Speaker 1: special Agent Daniel O'Kelly. Well, how do they have say
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  Speaker 1: in that? I mean, how is it that his entire
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  Speaker 1: testimony was not allowed?
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  Speaker 2: They control the issues, They agreed to the issues that
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  Speaker 2: he was there to talk about, so therefore they rendered
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  Speaker 2: him moved. It was, Oh, it was not the best
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  Speaker 2: defense in the world. Let me say that, say that
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  Speaker 2: about his attorneys. But he's got a good crew getting
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  Speaker 2: ready for his PA and I think they're going to
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  Speaker 2: do if it gets that far. Now here's what I've
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  Speaker 2: been dying to tell you. We're getting movement on Tate.
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  Speaker 2: My boss, Alan Gottlieb, head of the Second Amendment Foundation,
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  Speaker 2: said Sunday that that Tate's case has reached d C.
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  Speaker 2: They've talked about it in the White House. What Alan
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  Speaker 2: wants to do is for Tate to be released immediately
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  Speaker 2: and then given some money. I mean, his life has
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  Speaker 2: been up ended. He I don't know if he's going
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  Speaker 2: to file suits or I don't know if the Trump
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  Speaker 2: administration will just give him some money for the basically
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  Speaker 2: four years that he's spent in prison for no damn reason.
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  Speaker 2: But that's where we're at. We've got people in New
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  Speaker 2: Jersey that are having a huge event tomorrow for Tate.
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  Speaker 2: They're setting up there having people come in and sign
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  Speaker 2: papers that they're going to present to the court. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's taken off around the country and I've never been
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  Speaker 2: followed like this. I've never seen my stories turnout like
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  Speaker 2: this before. I think people are angry that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: here we got a kid who basically committed himself to
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  Speaker 2: the military, committed his life to the military, and then
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  Speaker 2: he was taken out by this damn atf What are the.
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  Speaker 1: You've shared just a fraction, but of what you've covered,
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  Speaker 1: what are the most egregious fabrications and anomalies that took
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  Speaker 1: place in the trial and the sentencing.
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  Speaker 2: Basically, the toy submachine gun, you're buying a toy they put,
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  Speaker 2: they took it apart, They put a reel barrel in
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  Speaker 2: a real action in it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me again, I've got to stop you. I
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  Speaker 1: gotta stop you right there. How was that allowed as
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  Speaker 1: evidence when they took quote the evidence and then cut
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  Speaker 1: it apart? And remanufactured it. I mean that is in
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  Speaker 1: my mind and helped me out because I'm not the
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  Speaker 1: sharpest knife in a drawer here, Lee, That to me
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  Speaker 1: is taking a clock and some fertilizer that's separate and
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  Speaker 1: then somehow pulling it all together, adding a detonator and
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  Speaker 1: say see it's a bomb.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Well you'd have to ask firearms enforcement officer
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  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Bodell why he did what he did, because he
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  Speaker 2: got that toy submachine gun. Again, this metal costs you
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  Speaker 2: a couple hundred bucks and everyone sent your home in
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  Speaker 2: a couple of days. It's made in Spain. He turned
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  Speaker 2: that and he got it to fire one round. It
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't take around from the magazine. It wouldn't take around
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  Speaker 2: to the magazine. You had to put one in there,
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  Speaker 2: one at a time. What did he call it? Of
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  Speaker 2: course he called it a machine gun.
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  Speaker 1: All that proved is that he's a crappy fabricator.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this was his first time and he went completely
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  Speaker 2: nuts on everything. Why because they were sick of these
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  Speaker 2: type of warrants where they have bad investigators who work
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  Speaker 2: in bad seiyes, who kick down doors and don't find
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  Speaker 2: anything legal and let me tell you something. Tate was playing.
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  Speaker 2: He was playing with his career in the seals. He
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  Speaker 2: was extremely cautious about what he had and about what
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  Speaker 2: he offered for sale. He had nothing illegal because he
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  Speaker 2: didn't want to screw up his career in the Navy
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  Speaker 2: or break the law.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned the appeal and the movement that seems
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  Speaker 1: to be happening around the case of tatea domiac. Any
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  Speaker 1: sense of time here, do we know how? Because I
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  Speaker 1: mean sometimes the lethargy of the judicial process is agonizing.
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  Speaker 2: That's a very polite way of putting it. I would
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  Speaker 2: say his appeal is scheduled for September. I hope that
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  Speaker 2: he's pardoned before then. I think he's the buzz around
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  Speaker 2: the certain circles in DC right now. They're trying to
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  Speaker 2: figure out how to help this kid. Getting him out
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  Speaker 2: of prison would be the first step. He's in a
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  Speaker 2: cell with eleven other dudes. The whole prison knows the Tate,
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  Speaker 2: and as he's in a federal prison New Jersey, the
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  Speaker 2: whole prison knows he's innocent. So let's get him out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get him out first thing. And I think we're
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  Speaker 2: getting close to that, brother, I really do.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a chance this is so egregious, that's the word.
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  Speaker 1: I keep circling back to how the charges were fabricated
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  Speaker 1: out of thin air, how the evidence was even more
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  Speaker 1: so fabricated, literally fabricated and poorly done. Is there any
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  Speaker 1: chance that members of ATF, namely the one member of
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  Speaker 1: ATF you mentioned, is there any chance they face charges?
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  Speaker 2: I hope so, I think. If you know, Dan O'Kelly
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  Speaker 2: was considered to run ATF, they went another direction. He's
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  Speaker 2: a guy interviewed. I asked him hard questions whether he's
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  Speaker 2: lost faith in the ATF, and he said he's lost
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  Speaker 2: faith in the ATF for years because he's seen these
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  Speaker 2: firearms enforcement officers testify about things they knew were not
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  Speaker 2: true under oath. That's a huge issue that is going
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  Speaker 2: to kill you. You know, ATF, the agents go out
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  Speaker 2: and make an arrest, they arrest the guy, they throw
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  Speaker 2: him in prison, he gets a trial. The firearm enforcement
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  Speaker 2: officers the one who testifies about what he had and
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  Speaker 2: why it was illegal. And if you can't trust that part,
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  Speaker 2: that huge part of the organization, why do you have
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  Speaker 2: an organization?
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  Speaker 1: Did Dan O'Kelly sense was there anything that a Domiac
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  Speaker 1: did that was even remotely against the law.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, And I asked him that five different ways,
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  Speaker 2: and no, there was nothing he did wrong. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he's he's strong. I said, what should happen to the
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  Speaker 2: ATF who falsely testified in the Domiac's case? He said,
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  Speaker 2: any FEO testified to something different, and it's a wilful
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  Speaker 2: falsehood that there's supposed to be the gun experts of
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  Speaker 2: the gun police. He said they should be charged with
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  Speaker 2: perjury and jailed. Not to mention being fired. He said,
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  Speaker 2: this is the worst case he's ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: I suppose you could maybe push back on that and
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  Speaker 1: say the case of the guy in Arkansas who lost
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  Speaker 1: his life is maybe worse.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, another case of someone who did nothing wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Boy, this is this is the best and the worst
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  Speaker 1: of what you do for a living lee. The best
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  Speaker 1: is uncovering digging. The worst is having to uncover and dig. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, gladly give it up. As long as ATF promises
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  Speaker 2: to leave people alone.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a role for ATF?
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  Speaker 2: No, not in my opinion. I mean, I know the
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  Speaker 2: Trump administration wants to pair ATF with DEEA, my employer.
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  Speaker 2: Second Amendment Foundation opposes that would actually give ATF access
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  Speaker 2: to more money and more agents, and they don't need
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  Speaker 2: that right now.
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  Speaker 1: Brother, ATF has not shown itself as a whole I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure there are individual people within the agency that are
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  Speaker 1: good people, but the bottom line is as a as
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  Speaker 1: a whole entity, they've not shown themselves trustworthy enough to
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  Speaker 1: have the authority it has no When I was.
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  Speaker 2: A cop years ago, there were something we used to
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  Speaker 2: especially when I was a detective, we used to talk
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  Speaker 2: to ATF occasionally and they were good guys. They were
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  Speaker 2: all extremely pro gun. There were fun guys to go
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  Speaker 2: to the range with. They knew what their job was.
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  Speaker 2: Their job was not harassing's in people. They were there
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  Speaker 2: as kind of a well, we made this arrest and
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  Speaker 2: we caught it with this gun, what's going on here?
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  Speaker 2: And then they would bring in their experts and they
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  Speaker 2: would do a fantastic job. Nowadays, they want to spotlight.
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  Speaker 2: They want to go out there and commit the big
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  Speaker 2: case and find somebody who's doing something wrong. Unfortunately they
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  Speaker 2: don't know how to do that, so that's how we
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  Speaker 2: end up with Tata domniacs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be fine if they found the right people
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  Speaker 1: that are actually doing things that are wrong.
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  Speaker 2: They're not doing that unfortunately. Lee.
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  Speaker 1: As always, thank you thanks for the hard work on
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  Speaker 1: this case and hopefully we'll soon be talking about it
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  Speaker 1: in a rearview mirror sense and repercussions coming to ATF
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  Speaker 1: as a result.
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  Speaker 2: So hopefully you can have Tate on your show soon.
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  Speaker 1: That would be lovely, all right, Lee, thanks very much, brother,
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  Speaker 1: Talk to you all right. Lee Williams with us The
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  Speaker 1: gun Writer dot substack dot com.