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Speaker 1: Peter Kremblin live on Skyins Australia.
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Speaker 2: And this is the Peter Kredlin who likes a steak,
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Speaker 2: not the rabbit vegan activist. Peter. All Right, good evening,
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. Here's what's coming up tonight on
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Speaker 2: Kredlin has business finally had a gut full of labor,
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Speaker 2: The PM facing an icy reception at the annual Mining
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Speaker 2: Industry Dinner in Canberra. This at the same time as
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Speaker 2: we get more details about dubious indigenous site claims designed
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Speaker 2: to shut down development in Australia. Caught on the back
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Speaker 2: foot again, Labour's been scrambling today to explain their proposed
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Speaker 2: age limits for social media and when exactly we'll see
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Speaker 2: the legislation. How much is this the PM being shown
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Speaker 2: to be sitting on his hands as it is about
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Speaker 2: addressing the real concerns of parents. Bus will cross live
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Speaker 2: to London for the good news at Princess Catherine's finished
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Speaker 2: with her chemotherapy, releasing a new and very personal family
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Speaker 2: video overnight. Our royal expert Sarah Houston with more about
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Speaker 2: what this means for the Royal family and coming engagements
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Speaker 2: and Ignored and abandoned by labor. Thousands of farmers descended
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Speaker 2: on Canbroock today to take their concerns directly to the government,
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Speaker 2: despite the fact the Prime Minister refused to hear their
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Speaker 2: concerns in person.
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Speaker 3: But they've lost complete touch with Australia. And it's not
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Speaker 3: just rural Australia. They've lost touch with the peoples in
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Speaker 3: the cities as well that are struggling to pay their
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Speaker 3: mortgages and put food on the table.
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Speaker 4: Get rid of the red tape, back off on the
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Speaker 4: native vegetation laws and let farmers far.
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Speaker 5: We've come about seven hundred kilometers.
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Speaker 1: Maybe we've got to give this government credit.
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Speaker 6: They've managed to.
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Speaker 3: Provoke the first farmer protest in thirty years.
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Speaker 2: But first, it's not often that a business group attacks
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister head on, but that's what happened last
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Speaker 2: night the Mineral Council's dinner in Canberra. Fair enough too,
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Speaker 2: because the Prime Minister doesn't seem to get it that
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Speaker 2: it's the resources sector that sustains our high standard of living.
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Speaker 2: Far from encouraging the resources sector to keep doing what
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Speaker 2: it does best for everyone's benefit, the jobs and those
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Speaker 2: massive revenues that provides the bottom of our budget state
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Speaker 2: and federal. The pms make it almost impossible to get
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Speaker 2: new projects approved by permitting all our lawfare against them.
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Speaker 2: This is a government that penalizes the projects we know
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Speaker 2: make us rich, while it promotes, with your money, the
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Speaker 2: projects that are likely to make us poor. How's that
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Speaker 2: for stupidity. But this is what's happening under this Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: who's more interested in what sporting events he might attend
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Speaker 2: than sitting behind his desk and doing his day job
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Speaker 2: under labor. We're throwing billions of dollars at green projects
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Speaker 2: that often entirely are unproven at scale, and in any
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Speaker 2: event are already being undercut by competition from the Chinese,
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Speaker 2: who have largely cornered the mark for everything green solar panels,
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Speaker 2: wind turbines, and soon we'll see, of course, with one
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty odd different new brands of electric vehicles
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Speaker 2: to hit Australia. Last night, the Mineral's Council had Tanya
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Speaker 2: Constable declared to an audience that included the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: himself that the resources sector was being punished by his government.
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Speaker 2: That's right, she used the word punished through a stream
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Speaker 2: of restrictive policies, including in the worth here she used
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Speaker 2: was reckless, reckless industrial relations changes, raids on mining royalties,
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Speaker 2: Burnhamson regulation and as constable stressed and I quote the
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Speaker 2: looming threat of onerous and arbitrary environmental approvals. This was
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Speaker 2: in response to the PM's message to the industry that
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Speaker 2: it should just roll over and cop his government's pro
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Speaker 2: union workplace law changes, laws that could cost the big
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Speaker 2: miners billions and that threatened to badly damage our reliability
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Speaker 2: as a source of resource security, taking us back to
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Speaker 2: those terrible days of industry wide strikes in the nineteen seventies. Earlier,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister had warned in the leaked copy of
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Speaker 2: his speech to the Dinner that the world would pass
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Speaker 2: us by, pass our industry by if it chose conflict
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Speaker 2: over cooperation. Hang on, it's not businesses going to war
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Speaker 2: with the Albertezi government. It's the albert Ezy government telling
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Speaker 2: businesses they've got to do sweetheart deals with unions. That's
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Speaker 2: brought on this clash. It's labour doing the bidding of
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Speaker 2: its union mates that's brought this all to a head.
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Speaker 2: What's clear is that the alber Ezy government doesn't understand
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Speaker 2: Astralia's wealth is created because while Labour's pretty good at
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Speaker 2: spending money, they've got no idea how we make it
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Speaker 2: as a nation. Only Labour thinks you create wealth by
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Speaker 2: stopping a billion dollar gold mine on spurious Aboriginal heritage grounds.
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Speaker 2: Only Labour thinks she create wealth via productivity crushing changes
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Speaker 2: to workplace laws. The only way to sustainably create wealth
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Speaker 2: is through a vigorous private sector. Yet Labor rejects that
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Speaker 2: it wants to spend billions more on renewable energy subsidies.
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Speaker 2: It might make the rich investors even richer, but won't
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Speaker 2: for a minute cut the cost of power bills for
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Speaker 2: households or small business. Yesterday, the government was crowing because
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Speaker 2: its future Made in Australian legislation had passed the House
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Speaker 2: of Representatives with this so called Made in Australia program,
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Speaker 2: or it's bound to end badly because it's throwing billions
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Speaker 2: of dollars at things like solar panels to build them
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Speaker 2: here in Australia. But we can't do that economically against China,
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Speaker 2: and certainly not at scale. Yesterday, the Treasure of Jim
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Speaker 2: Chalmers defended Made in Australia because he says businesses are
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Speaker 2: in favor of it businesses or foreign companies, the big wretch,
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Speaker 2: big rich investors in renewables. That's the question, because they're
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Speaker 2: not necessarily the same thing, and that doesn't mean anyway
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Speaker 2: that it's money well spent. Why on earth is Australia
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Speaker 2: wanting to penalize the industries that do not need subsidies
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Speaker 2: while throwing subsidies at the industries that do. What's happened
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Speaker 2: to our one strong free market economy? Because the trouble
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Speaker 2: we're throwing good money after bad is that eventually there's
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Speaker 2: no more money left. Should we be surprised? Should we
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Speaker 2: be surprised? Margaret Thatcher prophetically worn some fifty years ago?
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Speaker 2: The problem with socialism, she said, is that eventually you
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Speaker 2: run out of other people's money. Look today too, that
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Speaker 2: announcement by the Prime Minister that he will move on
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Speaker 2: new national laws to restrict the use a social media
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Speaker 2: by Australian children. Now, it's a good move, it's a
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Speaker 2: worthy move. It's something that Peter Dutton's already committed to
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Speaker 2: back at the start of the year. It's something that
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Speaker 2: the South Australian Premier, Peter Malinowskis yesterday announced.
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Speaker 7: Himself we see kids being done harm. We know that's
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Speaker 7: true from a growing body of international, peer reviewed research.
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Speaker 7: So it's time for governments to act. And you know,
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Speaker 7: I don't think any any leader around the country should
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Speaker 7: sit on their hands in this matter.
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Speaker 2: But rather than admit the Melanowskis push him into it
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Speaker 2: today the Prime Minister try to claim he was doing
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Speaker 2: this anyway.
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Speaker 5: We will introduce legislation by the end of the year
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Speaker 5: that we have in our May budget funded funded the
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Speaker 5: trial groom of Age Verification.
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Speaker 2: Doing anyway. He says, only he wasn't because here's a
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Speaker 2: copy of a document that his minister put out to
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Speaker 2: tender in the past twenty four hours to begin work
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Speaker 2: on a trial, a trial for such a scheme. So
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Speaker 2: why a trial if the PM was committed to doing
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Speaker 2: it anyway, and why is it taken in nearly four
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Speaker 2: months to get this movie. I'll tell you why, because
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Speaker 2: he's been shown up yet again by Malinowskis, just as
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Speaker 2: he was shown up last week by New South Wales
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Speaker 2: Premier Chris Mins, with the premier swift condemnation a federal
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Speaker 2: Labour's decision to block the blaany gold mine. Now, what's
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Speaker 2: happening here under Malanawskus and Mins is a demonstration of
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Speaker 2: what sensible labor government looks like. It's a reminder that
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Speaker 2: when labor governs with its right faction instincts, and both
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Speaker 2: Malanowskis and Men's a labor right, it's hard to beat.
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Speaker 2: Both of these state governments streets ahead in the polls. Indeed,
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Speaker 2: if elections were held today, I'd suspect both would easily
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Speaker 2: increase their margins. And this is where labor could be
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Speaker 2: federally if they stopped giving in to the hard left
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Speaker 2: group that now dominates the caucus, led of course by
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister who's never graduated from being a left
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Speaker 2: wing activist to our national leader as a liberal labor
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Speaker 2: campaigning and governing from the rights. I tell you it's
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Speaker 2: hard to beat, not impossible, but it's a challenge. But
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Speaker 2: that's not where they are unto Alban easy, too hard
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Speaker 2: to fasten, the voice, too far an immigration, to weak
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Speaker 2: on cost of living, to green on energy, to radical
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Speaker 2: on social issues. Everything he has done since he won
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Speaker 2: the election with a mere thirty two percent of the
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Speaker 2: primary vote, let's not forget, has been to alienate people,
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Speaker 2: not grow his margin, and he's got to grow his
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Speaker 2: margin if he hopes to survive. As it stands, the
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Speaker 2: best thing going for the Liberals is the prime minister.
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Speaker 2: The liberals know that, So two is Albanesi's back bench.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Camber now for the headlines.
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Speaker 2: It's guy to news reporter cam Redden.
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Speaker 8: Good Evening, children and young teenagers will be banned from
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Speaker 8: accessing social media under a new national plan.
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Speaker 5: I want young Australians to grow up playing outside with
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Speaker 5: their friends, off their funds and honors in the netball courts.
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Speaker 8: Labour's laws would apply nationwide and be modeled on plans
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Speaker 8: put forward by the South Australian Premier Peter Malinowskis.
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Speaker 7: It means we get a nationwide solution, which is a
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Speaker 7: far better approach than a hot potch of arrangements around state.
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Speaker 8: Details on that approach are still being finalized. The Albanese
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Speaker 8: government is yet to decide at what age the ban
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Speaker 8: would kick in.
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Speaker 2: Will continue to have this conversation about age.
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Speaker 9: You could legislate the ban and then impose the age subsequently.
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Speaker 8: That's an option the government has made a partial announcement
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Speaker 8: of a policy without detail. The Coalition has struck twin
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Speaker 8: blows to the government's agenda with holding support on two
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Speaker 8: major reforms. First shooting down support for a proposed shakeup
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Speaker 8: of the Reserve Bank.
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Speaker 1: We're no longer in a position where we can work
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Speaker 1: with the government on this legislation.
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Speaker 8: And as revealed by Sky News, refusing to come to
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Speaker 8: the table on a new funding model for aged care.
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Speaker 5: We have a responsibility to make the system sustainable.
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Speaker 10: Across the aisle.
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Speaker 8: The government is also stuck in talks with the Greens
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Speaker 8: over its new Environmental Protection Agency.
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Speaker 4: The government clearly knows that what they've put on the
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Speaker 4: table so far is not enough, but we are willing
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Speaker 4: to work together to get something done.
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Speaker 8: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Right Minerals Week in Canberra. As I said, and in
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Speaker 2: the past, the power of this group has led to
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Speaker 2: the removal of a prime minister. This was Kevin Rudd's
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Speaker 2: terrible outcome when he was bludgeoned by the industry with
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Speaker 2: his ill conceived mining tax. But things between the miners
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Speaker 2: and labor ap Peter have sour yet again. Minerals Council
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Speaker 2: bos Tarania Constable directly blaming the Prime Minister's ire reforms
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Speaker 2: for triggering workplace conflict across the country. She said, and
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Speaker 2: I quote, under these new workplace laws, conflict has been
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Speaker 2: brought upon us. It's a deliberate design feature of these laws.
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Speaker 2: Conflict is coming to every workplace, in every industry. She
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Speaker 2: also spoke about the challenges facing the sector, including indigenous
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Speaker 2: heritage laws, saying one of our greatest threats to future
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Speaker 2: investment in our resources sector is activist lawfare. Activist lawfare
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Speaker 2: is playing on the natural will and want of Australians
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Speaker 2: to value and respect our indigenous populations in the worst
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Speaker 2: forms of paternalism. Those engaged in activist lawfare are using
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Speaker 2: the same tactics they once claimed were racist. She's not
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Speaker 2: wrong for where I'm joining now. Busconi's political editor Andrew
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Speaker 2: Clanell some pretty strong words from the Minerals Council CEO.
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Speaker 2: They often lead where other businesses lack a bit of courage.
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Speaker 2: We saw that, of course, Andrew with the mining tax.
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Speaker 2: But I think they're just the first cab off the
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Speaker 2: rank in Labour's assault on workplace relations reform, most particularly
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Speaker 2: these patent bargaining changes.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's no deut that I is going to be
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Speaker 1: one of the battlegrounds of the campaign Peter, and I
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Speaker 1: think Peter Dutton takes a bit of a risk there.
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Speaker 1: It's hard to get effective by our change to the right.
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Speaker 1: John Howard saw that with work choices, because there's more
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Speaker 1: workers than bosses. Business the natural enemy of labor, I guess.
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Speaker 1: But mining's interesting because as we know, WA is very
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Speaker 1: important now for the Labor Party, So if they were
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Speaker 1: to launch an advertising campaign, it could be very costly. Indeed,
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Speaker 1: for Anthony Albanize, I.
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Speaker 2: Think Chip Charms will be worried about it too, because
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Speaker 2: I mean, if we get a fall off in our
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Speaker 2: minor revenues, he gets even bigger holes at his budget
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Speaker 2: and that's a challenge for him because he has a
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Speaker 2: relied upon that to deliver those skinny surpluses.
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Speaker 1: Well, you see where China's going to It's going bad,
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Speaker 1: which means our budget's going to.
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Speaker 2: Go Great's coming right off.
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Speaker 1: So they're planning a budget before the election, They're going
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Speaker 1: to have to be some pretty conservative assumptions in there.
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Speaker 1: And one of the dangers we're doing that is, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it can ruin your set of numbers for sure, because
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Speaker 1: We know, Peter from long experience that treasury's conservative anyway,
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Speaker 1: apart from that Wayne swan era, I wonder if you'll
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Speaker 1: do a swan here, because they'll have to be more
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Speaker 1: conservative than they traditionally are with those numbers. The way
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Speaker 1: things are going around, iinor and cold Price, I'm talking.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to that announcement by the PM today to
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Speaker 2: bring in national age restrictions for social media use. He
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Speaker 2: announced a trial back in May, but he's been caught
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Speaker 2: out today because he hasn't even put the tender out
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Speaker 2: for that trial. That was only done this morning, ya
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Speaker 2: oz tender. It won't actually close until the seventh of October.
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Speaker 2: I know there's a question mark about what age limit
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Speaker 2: this should be set at, but it could pass the
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Speaker 2: legislation tomorrow. There's broad bipartisan or even crossbench support for this.
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Speaker 2: They could put the age in via regulation down the track.
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Speaker 2: I mean, what the heck of that they've been doing
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Speaker 2: for the last four months. I think he's been shamed
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Speaker 2: into it by.
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Speaker 1: Melanowskis Melanowskus has pushed him into it. That's what it
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Speaker 1: looks like, doesn't it. And Gee, I mean they talk
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Speaker 1: about proper cabinet government until they decide that I don't
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Speaker 1: want proper cabinet government, don't they. I mean, basically Melanouskus
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Speaker 1: has done it. He's thought I need a good headline
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Speaker 1: this week. In a way he's gone having said that.
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Speaker 1: Government sources were telling me they were heading in this
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Speaker 1: direction anyway. But they've been taking their sweet time. And
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Speaker 1: it's the same minister taking a bit of time with
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Speaker 1: the gambling advertising reforms too, so that's going starting to
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Speaker 1: become a bit of an issue. She likes to consult
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Speaker 1: Michelle Roland. But gee whiz, you know you need some
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Speaker 1: decisions in this space on the age. Yeah, very interesting.
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Speaker 1: I just don't think sixteen works. I know News Corpus
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Speaker 1: campaign for that. I know Peter Dutton has has said
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Speaker 1: a few months ago he wants that. I think it's
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Speaker 1: too old. I think fourteen's more realistic, and even then
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Speaker 1: I think it's really hard to enforce and there are
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Speaker 1: difficulties with using that biometric technology in terms of privacy concerns.
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Speaker 1: That's a bit of a minefield. So this is one
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Speaker 1: of the problems with coming out by the way and
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Speaker 1: just saying we're going to do this before a trial.
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Speaker 1: Perhaps they should have got onto the trial earlier. And
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Speaker 1: you know, like you say, he's been shamed into it,
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Speaker 1: but can he deliver it? It looks hard to deliver.
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Speaker 1: So I think we're going to have interesting few months
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Speaker 1: on this issue, and it is going to be an
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Speaker 1: issue because you know, it affects so many To.
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Speaker 2: Start the communications Minister eyes to be chief starting you, Minister,
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Speaker 2: you can put in framework, framework, legislation, you can fill
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Speaker 2: it out and you'll have to fill it out with regulation.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you why I would not put the specifics
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Speaker 2: in the legislation because this area is so fast moving
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Speaker 2: you need it to be flexible going into the future.
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Speaker 2: So you'd want what I would regard as sort of
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Speaker 2: framework bills through the Parliament, and you'd want it regulation
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Speaker 2: so it could be updated and stay contemporary all the
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Speaker 2: way through. I really think there's a them in the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Chaunty of Andrew, if I could be frank
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Speaker 2: listening to these constant litany of problems. No one is
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Speaker 2: looking forward to the campaign and saying okay, we've been
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Speaker 2: here a term. When we go to the polls, we
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Speaker 2: have to run on a record. It's a bit like
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Speaker 2: what's happening with Kamala Harris. They don't have a record
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Speaker 2: to run on. All they've got is a poor economic outcome,
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Speaker 2: broken promises, a failed attempt at the voice. These to
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Speaker 2: me are low hanging fruit winds that they have got
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Speaker 2: to get under their belts so that they could go
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Speaker 2: to the people, you know, come may or March or
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Speaker 2: whatever it is, and say, okay, we've delivered on X,
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Speaker 2: Y and Z. Right now, they've got a very very
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Speaker 2: skinny list to show Australians that they've done something in office.
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'll tell you what they will say.
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Speaker 1: They'll say we've we've made childcare cheaper. They'll say we've
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Speaker 1: reject the tax cuts, say we've lifted wages.
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Speaker 2: That's just spending. That's just spending.
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Speaker 1: I understand, Peter, But you're saying they've got nothing to say.
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Speaker 1: They do actually have something to say. Everything else you
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Speaker 1: pointed out is absolutely wrong. I can say, we'll have
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Speaker 1: a look at this.
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Speaker 2: A hard call. A hard call. Anybody is there than
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Speaker 2: someone else's money. That's not hard, I understand.
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Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is this is what they will
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Speaker 1: run on. And the thing is, no one cares about
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Speaker 1: what you've done. They care about what you're going to do,
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Speaker 1: and having worked for Abbit, you know that very well
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Speaker 1: and so so essentially that's the main problem because right
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Speaker 1: now we're only nine months out. I can't really see
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Speaker 1: what they're going to do. I know they're going to
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Speaker 1: do a bit more of a childcare subsidy. That's all
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Speaker 1: I know. Peter Dutton, I know he's at least having
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Speaker 1: a crack at nuclear. I know he's going to deliver
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Speaker 1: more in the in terms of tax cuts. I know
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Speaker 1: he's going to unwind I are right, so at least
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Speaker 1: I have some idea of what he's going to do.
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Speaker 1: I might not have all the detail. I honestly don't
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Speaker 1: know what the government is looking to do. And look,
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Speaker 1: you know, you could argue, well, we're in government, we're
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Speaker 1: still doing things up until the campaign then we'll tell you.
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Speaker 1: But I'm staying to wonder if they have a plan
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Speaker 1: because or a decent enough plan, because you know, Albenasy
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Speaker 1: told Caucus we're looking to craft a offer to the
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Speaker 1: Australian people. Well that doesn't fill you with encouragement. I
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Speaker 1: think they're working things up, but there's no spell binding
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Speaker 1: narrative for the government here. Most of their strategy seems
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Speaker 1: to be around let's hope for a rate cut. Well,
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Speaker 1: i'll tell you what, the tax cuts are coming. So
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Speaker 1: the next quarterly figure of inflation I would bet would
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Speaker 1: be about the same three and a half percent, and
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Speaker 1: that'll be delivered in late October. So you're not going
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Speaker 1: to get a rate cut then. So you're on a
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Speaker 1: wing and a prayer to get one next year. See
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Speaker 1: it's a big prayer, isn't it. It's a big hope
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Speaker 1: they might get lucky. Jim Chalmers has got lucky with
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Speaker 1: the last GDP figures, and government spending's obviously helped him
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Speaker 1: on that. But they are looking for luck, and I'll
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Speaker 1: tell you what, when you're looking for luck, you're in
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Speaker 1: a bit of strife.
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Speaker 2: The point about the RBA, we saw that in polling
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Speaker 2: yesterday that the voters just don't buy the blame game
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Speaker 2: that Chalmers is trying to heap on the governor. That
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Speaker 2: are absolutely in the governor's corner in terms of who's
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Speaker 2: responsible for inflation. But the coalition coming out today is
21:18
Speaker 2: saying they're going to oppose this reform legislation. How do
21:21
Speaker 2: you think that's going to play out?
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think the average punter cares about that legislation,
21:28
Speaker 1: so I don't think it matters, and I think, to
21:30
Speaker 1: be honest, Peter Dutton, which is understandable for an opposition leader,
21:33
Speaker 1: and we saw it with that story I revealed in
21:35
Speaker 1: Age Care again today, he doesn't want to give the
21:36
Speaker 1: government any wins and they might have legitimate fears about
21:41
Speaker 1: labor stacking the bank, so I can see where they're
21:44
Speaker 1: coming from. The RBA issue as a whole. I think
21:47
Speaker 1: it's a bit misleading for Jim Chalmers to come out
21:49
Speaker 1: and say, oh, interest rates are smashing the economy, when
21:53
Speaker 1: I know full well the government in terms of the
21:55
Speaker 1: rate setting, believes the RBA has it right. They believe
21:59
Speaker 1: it rates right now are exactly where they should be.
22:03
Speaker 1: The only thing they're upset about is Michelle Bullock saying
22:06
Speaker 1: we might hike them and Sarah Hunter, this official RBA
22:10
Speaker 1: official who spoken of Parliamentary Committee saying the economy is
22:13
Speaker 1: too hot, when obviously she meant inflation's too hot. That's
22:17
Speaker 1: their disagreement with the Reserve Bank. But the substantive stuff
22:21
Speaker 1: that matters is where the rate is, and right now
22:23
Speaker 1: their infurious agreement. So for him to come out with
22:27
Speaker 1: this interest rates of smash the economy is about duck
22:30
Speaker 1: shovving because ultimately, as far as his concern the treasure are,
22:35
Speaker 1: the rates are set at the right rate, So how
22:38
Speaker 1: can he criticize them for leaving it at that rate?
22:43
Speaker 2: Just quickly, Age care The coalition look like they're getting
22:47
Speaker 2: a bit of cold feet about this move by the
22:50
Speaker 2: government to change how it's funded, in particular to hit
22:54
Speaker 2: self funded retirees harder changing the thresholds there. Of course,
22:59
Speaker 2: that could concern is that even those on a part
23:01
Speaker 2: pension it's a part self funded part pension might be hit.
23:05
Speaker 2: And that's potentially I think you had the drum on
23:08
Speaker 2: this earlier today, Andrew. That's potentially where the coalition's grievance is.
23:13
Speaker 1: Well, it's their people, right, I mean, I've always been
23:16
Speaker 1: a bit puzzled by this. I get the argument that
23:18
Speaker 1: down the track, you know, it will help the budget
23:23
Speaker 1: for a future coalition government and that something has to
23:26
Speaker 1: be done. But the way it seems to be shaped
23:28
Speaker 1: to me, and we don't have the full detail, is
23:31
Speaker 1: basically people who are very loyal Liberal supporters will be
23:35
Speaker 1: hit with this, and the Liberal Party will have allowed
23:38
Speaker 1: it to happen. So I'll tell you what, if you
23:40
Speaker 1: are going to let this through, you if your Peter
23:43
Speaker 1: Dutton have to show you've got a couple of concessions
23:46
Speaker 1: on it. And the weird thing about this proposal at
23:48
Speaker 1: the moment is neither side will tell us what's in
23:50
Speaker 1: it or to show you got a concession. Someone needs
23:53
Speaker 1: to come out and say this is what they're proposing.
23:57
Speaker 1: But they have this agreement, they're in lockstep. They won't
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Speaker 1: do that because if Dunton could say this is what
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Speaker 1: they're proposing and I've got an agreement with them to
24:05
Speaker 1: change it to this, then I suspect everyone's happy. The
24:08
Speaker 1: Government's got its budget win and Dunton's got a win
24:12
Speaker 1: for self funded retirees. But I was always puzzled that
24:15
Speaker 1: they'd come to this so called in principal deal, and
24:18
Speaker 1: I suspect the Shadow Cabinet last night had a lot
24:20
Speaker 1: more to say about that, and that's why the breaks
24:23
Speaker 1: have been slammed on.
24:26
Speaker 2: All right, we'll watch for that, Andrew, thank you as always. Well,
24:29
Speaker 2: let's stay in Canberra, where a truck convoy and more
24:32
Speaker 2: than one thousand farmers descended on Parliament House to voice
24:35
Speaker 2: their concerns on a variety of issues including live sheep exports,
24:40
Speaker 2: taxes on diesel for heavy vehicles and a proposed by
24:44
Speaker 2: a security levy or let's call it for what it
24:46
Speaker 2: is at tax. Two of those farmers join me now,
24:49
Speaker 2: Jillian Fanell, beef farmer from South Australia and Paul McLaughlin,
24:54
Speaker 2: managing director of Big Red Produce in the Northern Territory. Well,
24:58
Speaker 2: welcome to you both. Julian, what brought you to Cambrid today?
25:04
Speaker 4: I came to Cambridge today, Peter, because I think it's
25:07
Speaker 4: really important that the agricultural community says loud and proud
25:11
Speaker 4: that we are not satisfied with the way that governments
25:14
Speaker 4: are making decisions and not listening to the needs and
25:17
Speaker 4: wants of Australian farmers and their rural communities. And that's
25:21
Speaker 4: why we all gathered here today to make sure that
25:24
Speaker 4: our voices are heard, not just by this current government,
25:27
Speaker 4: but by any future government as well.
25:31
Speaker 2: You've certainly got plenty of national coverage, Paul. You came
25:33
Speaker 2: all the way from the NT. There was a lot
25:36
Speaker 2: of focus on livestock today, but you're in fact a
25:38
Speaker 2: melon farmer. Why did you feel it was important to
25:41
Speaker 2: turn up to Parliament today.
25:44
Speaker 11: Well, it's all together really, it's just a government's policy
25:48
Speaker 11: around farming. They just don't really engage with industry anymore.
25:53
Speaker 11: It's minority groups really driving in an agenda and we're
25:57
Speaker 11: at the front of it and socern about the future
26:00
Speaker 11: of our food security in this nation if it keeps
26:03
Speaker 11: going the way it is.
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Speaker 2: How much of your stuff, Paul, how much of your
26:09
Speaker 2: produce is for domestic consumption? How much goes overseas?
26:14
Speaker 11: Oh, we only do a little bit overseas. You'd say
26:17
Speaker 11: ninety five percent is all consumed in Australia.
26:23
Speaker 2: So your big cost, I presume is getting your produce
26:26
Speaker 2: to market, particularly down south.
26:30
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a big cost. But we're fortunately near a highway,
26:34
Speaker 11: so we have a lot of trucks going past, going
26:36
Speaker 11: down to Adelaide. So yeah, we distribute or right across Australia.
26:44
Speaker 2: I mean. One of the issues, of course you both
26:45
Speaker 2: will have is as soon as the carbon emissions push
26:51
Speaker 2: moves on to transport, which is about to hit hard
26:55
Speaker 2: and about to hit Jillian beef producers anyone with the
27:00
Speaker 2: methane emitting animal, that's when you're a lot of trouble
27:03
Speaker 2: and there's just a lack of detail, a lack of
27:06
Speaker 2: clarity about what's over the horizon. But you know they're
27:09
Speaker 2: going to go there to meet these twenty thirty, twenty
27:11
Speaker 2: thirty five and twenty fifty targets.
27:15
Speaker 4: It is a bit of a challenge and a bit
27:17
Speaker 4: of a concern and agriculture we seem to be bearing
27:21
Speaker 4: the brunt of everyone's needs to decarbonize and to be
27:25
Speaker 4: carbon neutral without taking into account the fact that we
27:29
Speaker 4: need to keep producing food for people to eat. We
27:32
Speaker 4: have no objection to carrying our share of the load
27:35
Speaker 4: when it comes to managing the environment and making sure
27:37
Speaker 4: we can all live here.
27:38
Speaker 2: In the future.
27:39
Speaker 4: But we also can't put in place policies and restrictions
27:43
Speaker 4: that are going to affect our food supply because we
27:46
Speaker 4: don't as Australia.
27:46
Speaker 2: We don't just feed ourselves.
27:48
Speaker 4: We feed millions of people around the world, and we
27:51
Speaker 4: can't just stop that.
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Speaker 2: Paul, what was the response from the Prime Minister? Did
27:56
Speaker 2: it feel that he listened to your concerns?
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Speaker 11: Oh, we didn't see him today. I think he is.
28:04
Speaker 11: It was around somewhere, but we didn't see. We didn't
28:07
Speaker 11: see our Prime minister. I was hoping to see him,
28:09
Speaker 11: but no, he wasn't around. He obviously didn't worry about
28:13
Speaker 11: his foot. Where his next feeds coming from?
28:18
Speaker 2: Gilian? Does that surprise you? Does it disappoint you that
28:21
Speaker 2: labored in front today?
28:24
Speaker 4: I'm not really surprised, to be completely honest. I think
28:27
Speaker 4: it's very disrespectful. So many people left their farms today
28:31
Speaker 4: and traveled so far just for the opportunity to say
28:34
Speaker 4: face to face to our Prime Minister and to our
28:37
Speaker 4: ag minister about what our concerns were, and they couldn't
28:41
Speaker 4: even be bothered to come out the front door to
28:43
Speaker 4: come down and meet with us. And I think that
28:46
Speaker 4: shows a massive amount of disrespect for the agricultural industry
28:49
Speaker 4: of Australia.
28:52
Speaker 2: Thank you both. We don't disrespect you here on Kredline.
28:55
Speaker 2: I'm from the Bush and I know a lot of
28:56
Speaker 2: my audiences in regional Australia, so I appreciate the time
29:00
Speaker 2: we've taken to get to Camber and to join us
29:01
Speaker 2: here tonight on the program. Thank you to you both,
29:04
Speaker 2: Paul and Jillian. There beef and melons there you go.
29:07
Speaker 2: Incredibly important to our experts in particular. After the break,
29:10
Speaker 2: even more details have emerged with highlight how systematically nebulous
29:15
Speaker 2: indigenous heritage claims are being used, often at the detriment
29:19
Speaker 2: of national prosperity. Plus the voting record of the Teals
29:23
Speaker 2: shows that they're nothing more than Gucci Greens. Welcome back
29:31
Speaker 2: is still the Carmel Cross Live to London for an
29:34
Speaker 2: update on the good news overnight from the Princess of
29:36
Speaker 2: Wales and her family. But first, what has become more
29:40
Speaker 2: apparent over the last few months than ever, and that's
29:42
Speaker 2: really only come to light because of this blaany Mind decision.
29:46
Speaker 2: This is the most recent example, is that activists are
29:49
Speaker 2: now using dubious indigenous claims to halt progress. Today it's
29:54
Speaker 2: been revealed that the historian who helped convince Tanya Pleversic
29:57
Speaker 2: to tank the blaany Mind had we tried to register
30:01
Speaker 2: every river, creek, lake and swamp in and around Blaney
30:06
Speaker 2: as an Aboriginal site. Now, thankfully this application wasn't successful,
30:11
Speaker 2: but can you imagine if every single waterway within a
30:15
Speaker 2: council municipality with any sort of planned development was actually
30:20
Speaker 2: all declared an indigenous site. Projects across Australia would grind
30:25
Speaker 2: to a halt and just imagine then the impact on
30:28
Speaker 2: our trade and budget bottom line. Joining me now to
30:32
Speaker 2: discuss this sky Neese contributor Chris Yulman. Well, Chris, Since
30:37
Speaker 2: that Blaney decision by Pleversek, we've learned that one recently
30:42
Speaker 2: created indigenous corporation was able to kill off a project
30:46
Speaker 2: that was supported by other long standing and local indigenous groups.
30:52
Speaker 2: Now the leaders only say that the leaders in this
30:55
Speaker 2: area say their only way forward as a community, as
30:58
Speaker 2: a people is to economically develop their land. So they're
31:03
Speaker 2: angry at all of this lawfare used by activists to
31:07
Speaker 2: deal them out of the game.
31:13
Speaker 9: Yeah, Peter, I think it's extremely difficult. I think that
31:16
Speaker 9: anyone who's had anything to do with indigenous politics would
31:19
Speaker 9: know that there are deep divisions within communities, going back
31:22
Speaker 9: into the nineteen nineties in the Australian Capital Territory, where
31:26
Speaker 9: you had two groups of Nuna wall people who couldn't
31:28
Speaker 9: stand to be in the same room with each other,
31:30
Speaker 9: and the way that they distinguished themselves from each other
31:33
Speaker 9: was that one group put a bracket around the two
31:36
Speaker 9: ends and in the middle, so the government documents didn't
31:39
Speaker 9: have to spell out the same name twice. So I
31:43
Speaker 9: think one of the real difficulties of all this is
31:46
Speaker 9: those people who want to have indigenous jobs for those
31:49
Speaker 9: people in the remote communities have always had difficulty connecting
31:53
Speaker 9: those communities to the real economy. Now in regional Australia,
31:56
Speaker 9: to get connected to the real economy, the best way
31:58
Speaker 9: to do that is through mining or agriculture, and we've
32:01
Speaker 9: seen time and again where those are the sorts of
32:04
Speaker 9: things that green groups in particular are opposed to. We
32:07
Speaker 9: saw that decision in Western Australia where the Environmental Defenders
32:10
Speaker 9: Office actually got caned in the Federal court because they
32:13
Speaker 9: use a confected information. So you can understand why last
32:16
Speaker 9: night and I was that the Minerals Council dinner last night.
32:19
Speaker 9: While the mining industry is now getting incensed by what
32:22
Speaker 9: it sees as an enormous amount of legal hurdles that
32:26
Speaker 9: it has to clear, don't forget that this process had
32:29
Speaker 9: been through the state planning laws, cleared that hurdle, been
32:32
Speaker 9: through the federal environmental laws, cleared that hurdle, and fell
32:35
Speaker 9: at the final hurdle of what was indigenous laws. Now,
32:38
Speaker 9: Indigenous heritage should be respected, but there has to be
32:41
Speaker 9: some way of discerning which particular group represents an Indigenous
32:47
Speaker 9: community in a particular area and companies shouldn't have to
32:50
Speaker 9: deal with multiple conflicting claims.
32:55
Speaker 2: Ever since Marbo, there's been a three part test of aboriginality.
32:59
Speaker 2: Does a person have some Aboriginal descent, do they identify
33:03
Speaker 2: as Aboriginal, and are they accepted as Aboriginal by an
33:07
Speaker 2: Aboriginal community. We're starting now though, to see and you
33:10
Speaker 2: make that point a whole lot of remote connections being
33:14
Speaker 2: accepted as enough to put the kibosh on these big projects,
33:17
Speaker 2: even if there's real benefit to local Aboriginal communities and
33:21
Speaker 2: jobs and money flow going there with royalties. This is
33:24
Speaker 2: going to be a real challenge Chris, for Aboriginal Australia
33:27
Speaker 2: going forward. I mean, who are their legitimate decision makers?
33:34
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think it's an interesting question. And I'll
33:36
Speaker 9: point out one thing that we saw between the twenty
33:38
Speaker 9: sixteen and twenty twenty one censors, and that was the
33:42
Speaker 9: number of people who were identifying as Indigenous between twenty
33:45
Speaker 9: sixteen and twenty twenty one grew by twenty five percent. Well,
33:49
Speaker 9: the Australian population grew by about eight percent, so something
33:53
Speaker 9: doesn't add up there. And at that time that was
33:56
Speaker 9: noted by Indigenous leaders as people who are essentially self
33:59
Speaker 9: ideasifying as Indigenous. Now there was that three part test.
34:03
Speaker 9: There is that three part test that you talk about.
34:05
Speaker 5: You have to have.
34:06
Speaker 9: Indigenous assent be accepted by Indigenous community. And it would
34:10
Speaker 9: appear to me now that those sorts of those sorts
34:14
Speaker 9: of hurdles, if you like, all those sorts of tests
34:17
Speaker 9: aren't being properly applied. I think it is a serious question.
34:20
Speaker 9: It's a serious question for the Indigenous community because of
34:22
Speaker 9: course I think most Australians do want to actually care
34:26
Speaker 9: about Indigenous heritage, to make sure if there is a
34:28
Speaker 9: claim over a particular part of land that is sacred
34:30
Speaker 9: to people, that it is respected. But bogus claims don't
34:33
Speaker 9: do anybody any favors.
34:37
Speaker 2: This is where I think the lefts caught its own tail, Chris,
34:39
Speaker 2: because if now almost anyone can be Aboriginal, and this
34:44
Speaker 2: is the test that's going to have ramifications I think
34:47
Speaker 2: for the current Marbo assessment. You know, on the other side,
34:52
Speaker 2: you've got anyone who can call themselves a woman. I mean,
34:54
Speaker 2: you could be Christine tonight and legally would have to
34:57
Speaker 2: call you Christine, and you could change your birth if
35:00
Speaker 2: you get tomorrow. The Left can't have it this way
35:03
Speaker 2: for women and that way for Aboriginal people. I mean,
35:06
Speaker 2: this is where it's going to be a real challenge
35:07
Speaker 2: for them, a collision.
35:09
Speaker 9: Yeah, and Peter, you're afraid you've just assumed my gender
35:12
Speaker 9: today without really asking me or knowing what it is.
35:14
Speaker 9: And I do find that a bit presumptuous, because just
35:17
Speaker 9: because I dress like this doesn't mean that you can
35:19
Speaker 9: say who I am. And look again, look at this.
35:22
Speaker 2: I am rightly rebuked to this, I'm rightly rebuked.
35:25
Speaker 9: You are rightly rebuked. Take those rebuke from me, because
35:27
Speaker 9: you don't know how I'm feeling about myself today, Peter.
35:32
Speaker 2: And now look these well healed Greens that like to
35:36
Speaker 2: call themselves the Teals. Research out from the Parliamentary Library
35:40
Speaker 2: shows that seven TiAl MPs voted with the Greens between
35:45
Speaker 2: seventy three and eighty one percent of the time. Now
35:49
Speaker 2: this matters if we're headed for a hung parliament. Voters
35:52
Speaker 2: need to understand these are not disaffected liberals. They're hardcore Greens.
35:57
Speaker 2: And you can't deny that sort of voting record, can you. Now.
36:02
Speaker 9: And the thing that you also can't deny is that
36:04
Speaker 9: the Teals and the Greens represent the richest people in Australia,
36:08
Speaker 9: and the richest people in Australia now it appears to me,
36:11
Speaker 9: are so disconnected from their sources of wealth, their sources
36:14
Speaker 9: of food, and their sources of energy that they're now
36:17
Speaker 9: actively voting against them. So Teal is just another shade
36:22
Speaker 9: of green really, and you know, the liberty that they
36:26
Speaker 9: have sitting on the cross bench at the moment as
36:27
Speaker 9: they can propose or say anything they like, no matter
36:30
Speaker 9: how ridiculous it might be in the real world, and
36:33
Speaker 9: it doesn't really matter where it begins to become of.
36:35
Speaker 9: Some consequence is if we see a hung Parliament and
36:39
Speaker 9: both the House of Representatives and the Senate next time
36:41
Speaker 9: around are controlled by the cross benches and cross benches
36:45
Speaker 9: who really don't have much of an idea about how
36:47
Speaker 9: the world really works. So you know, we are headed
36:51
Speaker 9: for interesting times. Clearly, the electorate has is disaffected with
36:55
Speaker 9: the two major parties. We are seeing a transition in
36:58
Speaker 9: the way that our parliament works. I think one of
37:00
Speaker 9: the things that does have to happen with these minor
37:02
Speaker 9: parties is they need to understand the responsibility that comes
37:06
Speaker 9: with governing and and the sorts of compromises that have
37:10
Speaker 9: to be made in order to run a country.
37:15
Speaker 2: Book in deference to your gender neutral position, Chris Yelman,
37:18
Speaker 2: I'll leave off your pronouns for tonight. Thank you for
37:21
Speaker 2: your time. Goodness man, it's CHRISTI, isn't it. After the
37:26
Speaker 2: break we'll go life to London. The latest on Princess Catherine.
37:29
Speaker 2: No problems there with her pronouns now that she's completed
37:32
Speaker 2: her chemotherapy. Plus a bit later on did Kamala Harris
37:35
Speaker 2: peak too early? That's the sense out of us tonight? Trump.
37:39
Speaker 2: Now I'm making up ground in the polls. I'll go
37:42
Speaker 2: head to head, of course tomorrow in that big debate.
37:49
Speaker 2: Welcome back Kamala Harris. Will she hold up tomorrow under
37:51
Speaker 2: pressure for her first perps only presidential debate. But before
37:56
Speaker 2: we go Stateside, I want to head to Britain. We're
37:58
Speaker 2: in some welcome good news the royal family. Overnight. Princess
38:02
Speaker 2: Catherine's now released a new family video revealing she has
38:05
Speaker 2: completed her chemotherapy.
38:13
Speaker 12: Doing what I can to stay cancer free is now
38:16
Speaker 12: my focus. Although I have finished chemo therapy, my path
38:22
Speaker 12: to healing and full recovery is long and I must
38:25
Speaker 12: continue to take each day as it comes. I am, however,
38:30
Speaker 12: looking forward to being back at work and undertaking a
38:33
Speaker 12: few more public engagements in the coming months when I.
38:36
Speaker 2: Can joining our life from London Royal correspondent Sarah Houston. Well,
38:42
Speaker 2: aside from the message Sarah that she's finished her treatment,
38:46
Speaker 2: those images of a happy and very normal looking, loving
38:50
Speaker 2: family or they say it all, don't.
38:52
Speaker 13: They hello to Peter, they really do. This is an
38:56
Speaker 13: extraordinary three minutes movie from the Royal family, isn't it?
39:00
Speaker 13: Nothing like nothing we've ever seen before. It's powerful, it's heartfelt.
39:05
Speaker 13: It is an intimate portrait of life behind the scenes
39:10
Speaker 13: for the Wales family and the marriage between William and Catherine.
39:15
Speaker 13: And while there's vulnerability in it, she shows humility. I
39:20
Speaker 13: also think this is a real sign of strength. It's
39:22
Speaker 13: a very clever piece of communication because it is her voice,
39:27
Speaker 13: it is her words. She's quite literally in the driving
39:30
Speaker 13: seat here behind the wheel of the land rover on
39:33
Speaker 13: the Norfolk estate. She is showing at the world that
39:38
Speaker 13: she is strong, she.
39:39
Speaker 2: Is going to come back.
39:41
Speaker 13: And as she said that, the path to full recovery
39:43
Speaker 13: is a long one. But for now, the signs are
39:47
Speaker 13: far happier than they were nine months ago.
39:51
Speaker 2: There's a lovely close images of her and Prince William.
39:55
Speaker 2: I think there's even a kiss those share, they're cuddling.
39:58
Speaker 2: You don't normally see that sort of through from the
40:00
Speaker 2: royal family, but I particularly took note of saying her
40:03
Speaker 2: parents in that video this is the Middleton family. They've
40:08
Speaker 2: been integral, we're told to her recovery. But we don't
40:10
Speaker 2: often see non royal in laws be as close or
40:15
Speaker 2: as brought into the fold as we're saying with the Middletons,
40:18
Speaker 2: and I think that's also tilling.
40:21
Speaker 13: Yeah, two really important points there, the public displays of affection.
40:24
Speaker 13: You'll remember that's kiss on the balcony at their wedding
40:27
Speaker 13: in twenty eleven. Well that is long gone, and we
40:31
Speaker 13: really do see the closeness between this couple and the
40:35
Speaker 13: family the Middletons. You know, being a royal in law
40:38
Speaker 13: is a tough position to be in. You're handing over
40:40
Speaker 13: your child into the firm. Any expectation of having Christmas
40:45
Speaker 13: with your family all gone because the royals take precedent
40:48
Speaker 13: will not so with William and Catherine. They have made
40:51
Speaker 13: it clear that the Middletons are a non negotiable part
40:54
Speaker 13: of their family. They've always played a key role in
40:57
Speaker 13: keeping it real for them, particularly for the children, if
41:01
Speaker 13: you like, and that has been more important than ever
41:04
Speaker 13: over the course of the last nine months. We saw
41:08
Speaker 13: that very grainy image of Kate, the first one we
41:10
Speaker 13: saw of her being driven in a car by her
41:13
Speaker 13: mother Carol on the Windsor estate, Carol helping out with
41:16
Speaker 13: the school run. They have been there throughout this whole
41:20
Speaker 13: journey for the Wales is keeping the children steady and happy.
41:25
Speaker 2: But also supporting their daughter through this ordeal. She says
41:30
Speaker 2: in the video she looks forward to getting back to
41:32
Speaker 2: some work. We read that as maybe public engagements give
41:36
Speaker 2: us a sense of what this might look like.
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Speaker 13: Well, Kensington Pallace really keen to point out we can't
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Speaker 13: draw comparisons between what we might expect from the Princess
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Speaker 13: of Wales and the King's comeback, because he has come
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Speaker 13: back to a much fuller program than we might have expected.
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Speaker 13: In the courses heading to Australia later on this year,
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Speaker 13: very different for the Princess of Wales. Every day taken
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Speaker 13: as it comes, but a couple of things that are
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Speaker 13: in the diary already. She'll be appearing at the Cenotaph
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Speaker 13: on remembrance Sunday alongside members of the royal family. She's
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Speaker 13: going to be hosting her Carol concert at Westminster Abbey,
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Speaker 13: and I think there will be other engagements in the
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Speaker 13: calendar around the causes that matter most to her so
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Speaker 13: early childhood, the Baby Banks, for example, and we may
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Speaker 13: well see her, like the King, taking a great interest
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Speaker 13: in cancer charities as well. She made that very poignant
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Speaker 13: line in her voice over about remaining side by side,
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Speaker 13: hand in hand with all of those who are continuing
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Speaker 13: to go through their cancer journey, and I think that
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Speaker 13: will certainly be at the forefront when they are planning
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Speaker 13: what she might be doing over the course of the
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Speaker 13: next few weeks and months.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Sarah, It's lovely to talk to you and
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Speaker 2: have some nice royal news for a change. Thank you
42:52
Speaker 2: all Right out the break, national polls are tightly in
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Speaker 2: the US, so how much longer can the Harris team
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Speaker 2: keep her quarantined the media plus what the panel's expecting
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Speaker 2: from Tomorrow's a debate very interesting. We'll talk about that
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Speaker 2: in a moment. Goodness me, that big debate tomorrow, let's
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Speaker 2: bring in my panels going and he's contributed Kosher Garda,
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Speaker 2: past chair of the Parliament's Foreign Affairs Defense Committee too.
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Speaker 2: Labor's Michael Danby, Well, there's been that surge of enthusiasm
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Speaker 2: with Kamala Harris, but it might have slowed down ahead
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Speaker 2: of the debate tomorrow. She's fallen behind Trump nationally in
43:28
Speaker 2: the New York Times, in Siena College polls, and it's
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Speaker 2: very close in a number of the swing states. Nate
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Speaker 2: Silver too also has her behind. So has she peaked
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Speaker 2: too soon? And if so, is keeping her quarantine from
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Speaker 2: media scrutiny in the right call Kosher, maybe she needs
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Speaker 2: to take some risks if the momentum has fallen away.
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Speaker 10: The textbook would definitely see that where the momentum has
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Speaker 10: fallen away for a contact. These leader's polls are keymar
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Speaker 10: where Trump is hired or at one point ahead. At
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Speaker 10: this point in time, he was two points behind Hillary,
43:58
Speaker 10: he was eight points behind Bider, and in the end
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Speaker 10: was four points behind Biden but ended up losing by
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Speaker 10: forty thousand votes. So he typically overperforms polls. We don't
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Speaker 10: know that that necessarily is the case here, but this
44:09
Speaker 10: is the best position he's ever been in sixty days out.
44:11
Speaker 10: So the Textico would say she should take some risks.
44:13
Speaker 10: I think the question is what kind of risk taker
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Speaker 10: is she? And if she's not very good at unscripted
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Speaker 10: moments and things like that, she's still probably calculating the
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Speaker 10: playing it's sefe is better for her.
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Speaker 2: The other political difference so is she's such an unknown
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Speaker 2: quantity whereas the other two Biden had been around for
44:30
Speaker 2: thirty odd years. Everyone knew Hillary clay out and that's true,
44:33
Speaker 2: so where they were in the polls, people would say
44:36
Speaker 2: they were flushed out. She made benefit from not being
44:40
Speaker 2: flushed out that that could work in a favor. So
44:42
Speaker 2: that would be something.
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Speaker 10: Unless Trump frames her be where she frames herself, and
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Speaker 10: so I think a lot is writing on this for
44:49
Speaker 10: her tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Michael, do you say it because you know there is Well,
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Speaker 2: there was early momentum, but I think that was a
44:55
Speaker 2: bit of a relief that it wasn't Biden, right, so
44:57
Speaker 2: that swung in behind her. And there's certainly plenty of money.
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Speaker 2: But if you're out there in the hard scrabble of
45:03
Speaker 2: these swing states, you're not in love with a California princess,
45:07
Speaker 2: You're not swayed by the messaging of the left. You
45:10
Speaker 2: probably think that the old Democratic Party has long left
45:12
Speaker 2: the auditorium. Are you going to watch this debate tomorrow?
45:16
Speaker 2: Are you there to be wound or is it going
45:19
Speaker 2: to be sort of home at half issues, economic issues
45:21
Speaker 2: at movie or vote? Well.
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Speaker 6: I agree with the discussion I had with Kosher before
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Speaker 6: the session here tonight that debates don't necessarily determine what
45:32
Speaker 6: will happen in the end. It did with Pidon, but
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Speaker 6: I don't expect Kamala to have a brain freeze with
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Speaker 6: the previous candidate. So discipline from Trump, that's what I'm
45:42
Speaker 6: looking for, is helped by the mics and details, as
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Speaker 6: you said, from Kamala, fracking, foreign policy, the economy, all
45:52
Speaker 6: of these kinds of issues, and I think that she's
45:56
Speaker 6: weaker on those, so that more she is allowed to talk.
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Speaker 6: The clear of the American people can make their decision,
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Speaker 6: so it won't decide everything. But it's that detail from
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Speaker 6: Kamala that could be really damaging to her if she
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Speaker 6: stuffs it up. But Trump would also if he's undisciplined.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's real opportunity in tomorrow's debate for Trump, but
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Speaker 2: there's also real risks, and the biggest risk is Donald himself.
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Speaker 10: Yes, I think he won the Mike muting debate or
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Speaker 10: his campaign won that, which might work well for him,
46:32
Speaker 10: but he's also somebody who is who is.
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Speaker 2: He's very prepared.
46:35
Speaker 10: People know what to expect with him, and so it's
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Speaker 10: sort of he can play offense a little bit. Hopefully
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Speaker 10: he doesn't do it too much or in the wrong way.
46:42
Speaker 10: Given the different day.
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Speaker 2: What about the other thing that she wanted. She wanted
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Speaker 2: notes because she's so scripted, and when she's off script
46:49
Speaker 2: it's this word sellard ladder, where did that land?
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Speaker 10: No notes and not sitting, she'll be standing. So overall,
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Speaker 10: apparently the way they're prepping right now is also mock interviews,
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Speaker 10: and there's a standard actor that's playing for him at
47:03
Speaker 10: the lating is exactly the same simulation. So she's really
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Speaker 10: doing a full prep whereas Trump's just doing what he
47:08
Speaker 10: casts policy time and just he knows who he is.
47:10
Speaker 10: He just wants to make sure he has a handle
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Speaker 10: on the issues and seems to be more relaxed about
47:14
Speaker 10: the whole thing.
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Speaker 2: But we'll see. You've seen government in Canberra up close,
47:17
Speaker 2: right you know how much there is on a prime
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Speaker 2: minister's desk that most of us don't ever really get
47:23
Speaker 2: to see and comprehend. What amazes me is you can
47:26
Speaker 2: have the president as he was then Biden, take a
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Speaker 2: couple of weeks off literally to prep for a debate.
47:32
Speaker 2: No one run the country. He can sit by the
47:34
Speaker 2: beach and has he has been for weeks on end.
47:36
Speaker 2: Now no one runs the country, and she is the
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Speaker 2: vice president and basically goes awall herself prepping for a debate.
47:45
Speaker 2: Who is in the White House running America in the
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Speaker 2: free world at the moment.
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Speaker 6: Well, that's a very sad point. You know, I don't
47:52
Speaker 6: like unelected national security officials, secretaries of state.
47:58
Speaker 2: And that's what they have in their system.
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Speaker 6: And it seems that these guys are running the whole show.
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Speaker 6: Directors of the CIA, I mean, I agreed with your
48:05
Speaker 6: earlier show where you said the Director General of Asia
48:08
Speaker 6: shouldn't be on TV all the time, The director of
48:12
Speaker 6: the CIA shouldn't do press conferences with the director of
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Speaker 6: MI six. They're paid to give advice privately and not
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Speaker 6: to sort of do the public relations for a president
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Speaker 6: who's sitting by the beach or a vice president who's
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Speaker 6: absent without leaf.
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Speaker 2: Talk to me about Iran and Russia in this emerging
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Speaker 2: access weapons access in relation to Ukraine.
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Speaker 10: It feels like another attack vector potentially and what has
48:37
Speaker 10: been a tough battle uphill for the Ukrainians. Obviously the
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Speaker 10: wars I was unpredictable and we don't know how this
48:43
Speaker 10: will turn out, but it's another attack vector in relation
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Speaker 10: to actually what we're just talking about with funding with
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Speaker 10: the US, the where the election is going to go.
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Speaker 10: All of that is going to swing how much support
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Speaker 10: there is for Ukraine on top of what's happening with
48:54
Speaker 10: the Iranian weapons going into it. One argument says that
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Speaker 10: all these vectors are pointing towards negotiated settlement, whether people
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Speaker 10: like it or not. That seems to be gaining ground.
49:04
Speaker 10: But again, anything as possible, and these twist and turns
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Speaker 10: may continue.
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Speaker 6: But it doesn't get Iran off the hook or the
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Speaker 6: US administration off the hook. They should have drawn a
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Speaker 6: line in the sand when the Iranians started supplying these
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Speaker 6: drones to Ukraine to blow up their cities. Now they're
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Speaker 6: supplying ballistic missiles. You don't have to have a warpeder,
49:22
Speaker 6: you just have to switch off the money to all
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Speaker 6: of these proxies and stop their oil all sales. The
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Speaker 6: Chinese are very practical and rational people. They will happily
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Speaker 6: trade with America and not buy Iranian oil. They will
49:36
Speaker 6: buy cheap American oil and the American deafic that can
49:39
Speaker 6: go down.
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Speaker 2: But no one's running the country. Back to your point, well,
49:43
Speaker 2: putting all of these things together, we're all Melvernians. And
49:46
Speaker 2: as of tomorrow, when all the crazy protesters really hit
49:48
Speaker 2: harder this conference, we won't be going to the city.
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Speaker 6: I suspect no intersectionality hits the road. So you have
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Speaker 6: these radical guards of protesters who believe in all of
49:59
Speaker 6: the other related issuess opposed to the defense of Australia, Plaine,
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Speaker 6: rights for gay whales, all of these kinds of things.
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Speaker 6: It doesn't have to be that if you're an environmentalist
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Speaker 6: you believe in the hummas rapes and the tacks in Israel.
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Speaker 6: It doesn't work like that. But unfortunately there's a generation
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Speaker 6: that's out there that has this whole package deal.
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Speaker 2: They've checked out their brains all right, all over there.
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Speaker 2: Do not miss that debate tomorrow live here on Sky
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Speaker 2: News at eleven. That's it for me. See tomorrow, angiblet
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