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Living out a God Center life with David Szafranski, Unfolding the Middle East with Charlie Dyer, & Living Ready Dr. Wayne Grudem · Karl and Crew

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  S6: of end times has been a big one, hasn't it, guys?
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  S3: This is so.
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  S2: Important. I love I love all the different areas we've
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  S2: been taking this talking about AI because that's something that's
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  S2: come on so fast and that so little people really
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  S2: understand fully. And then talking with our, our really big
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  S2: Bible experts in Israel, experts looking at current events and
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  S2: seeing how all that plays in. And then I also
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  S2: love that we're bringing the gospel into this week and
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  S2: making sure we're sharing that because how, how better to
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  S2: talk about and be ready for the end times than
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  S2: to be sharing the gospel.
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  S6: Amen. Got that right. Well, coming up here in a moment,
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  S6: one of our favorites around here, Doctor Charlie Dyer, you
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  S6: probably hear him on land in the book. If you
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  S6: don't tune in on Saturdays right here on this station
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  S6: and many more. But Charlie Dyer, I'm going to pitch
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  S6: him some fastballs with regard to end times. Buckle up.
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  S6: Grab that swig of water. There it is, Charlie Dyer
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  S6: When you take a look at the Middle East, you
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  S6: can't help but ask the question as many are. Man,
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  S6: is the end drawing near. So I want to ask
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  S6: you that doctor Charlie Dyer, who is with us right now,
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  S6: served 33 years on the faculty here at Moody and
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  S6: the administration for three different institutions. Man, Charlie, you can't
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  S6: help but look at what's going on in Iran and
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  S6: Israel and the rise of anti-Semitism. And you got to
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  S6: see demonic activity behind a lot of this. And yet
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  S6: it's the approaching hoof beats, it appears. AM I overstating it,
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  S6: my friend? I mean, we've been hearing it since we
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  S6: were kids. At the end is near. Is it nearer still?
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  S7: Uh, it is near still. However. And here's what I
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  S7: add to for a lot of people. Uh, just because
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  S7: it's near doesn't mean that we're seeing the fulfillment of
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  S7: prophecy right now. The next event is always God taking
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  S7: his church away. He's setting the stage. And when the
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  S7: church is gone, things are going to move rapidly. But
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  S7: we're not yet seeing the fulfillment of some of those
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  S7: Bible prophecies.
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  S6: Okay, I want to jump into some deep weeds. I
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  S6: don't want to talk about Gog and Magog. This is
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  S6: the battle before the big battle. Where do you timeline
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  S6: that battle? And then I want to talk about Iran's
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  S6: participation in that potentially. Where do you see that happening?
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  S7: I see it in the first part of this future
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  S7: seven year tribulation period. It's a time when the Israel
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  S7: said to be at peace in that passage in Ezekiel
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  S7: 38 and 39. Uh, and this coalition is going to
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  S7: try and attack Israel when they feel vulnerable. Well, right now,
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  S7: Israel hasn't felt at peace since they've been a nation
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  S7: in 1948. But it's easy to see how, uh, these
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  S7: problems can be solved. And very quickly, Israel could seem
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  S7: to come out of this in peace. Uh, so it
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  S7: could be near. But it'll happen once Israel feels at peace.
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  S6: The interesting thing about Iran is there's prophecies. Some say
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  S6: that they were fulfilled already. Some say it's dual fulfillment.
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  S6: Some say it's only future. Uh, with the upheaval in Iran,
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  S6: would they be part of Gog and Magog in your
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  S6: estimation or. No. Charlie.
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  S7: Oh, absolutely. They are, in fact, in Ezekiel 38 and 39,
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  S7: one of the allies with Gog and this coalition from
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  S7: the north is Persia, which is Iran.
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  S6: That's.
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  S7: Iran. Yeah. So Iran has to be part of that
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  S7: end time battle, but they're not the leader of it.
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  S7: They're one of the follower nations coming along with Gog.
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  S6: Yeah. So the fascinating thing about Iran is that it's
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  S6: got a rapidly growing underground church. We talk with her
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  S6: most chariot and Lana Silk about this, and it's. And
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  S6: their experts on what God's doing in that church. It's
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  S6: thrilling to see what God's doing. Are things lining up
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  S6: at all within times? Clearly, Israel becoming a nation lines up.
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  S6: People would have had a hard time piecing together prophecies
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  S6: without Israel being back in the land. What do you say, Charlie?
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  S7: I start with a checklist. Israel back in the land
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  S7: is a crucial part of the end times. They play
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  S7: the central role you watch for this coalition from the North.
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  S7: And certainly we've seen Putin trying to expand. We see
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  S7: Putin's influence with Iran right now growing. We see his
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  S7: influence with Turkey, the influence of Russia in North Africa.
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  S7: All of those are listed in Ezekiel 38 and 39
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  S7: as nations that will be joining with Gog Magog in
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  S7: that attack. You watch what's happening in Iran and you
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  S7: see a nation that looked like it could try and
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  S7: destroy Israel completely. With nuclear weapons now being set back,
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  S7: that's not going to happen. And yet the leadership is
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  S7: even more infuriated. They're more angry at Israel than they've
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  S7: ever been. They'll easily join a coalition. All the pieces
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  S7: that you see mentioned as end times events and and
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  S7: players are, are taking their place on the stage. Now,
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  S7: the curtain hasn't gone up, but it could soon.
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  S6: Yeah, yeah. The interesting thing, I don't know that a
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  S6: lot of people know this part of the story of Iran.
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  S6: They've spent two decades building underground train systems that can
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  S6: launch missiles from different points of exit. And without the
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  S6: annihilation of that, you know, these countries and prophecy says this,
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  S6: we're never going to throttle them to a point when
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  S6: they say, no more, we're done. We want peace. That's
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  S6: just not going to happen until the Prince of Peace comes.
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  S6: Speak to that, Charlie.
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  S7: You're absolutely right. In fact, most Americans don't understand the
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  S7: Middle East, especially. They motivate on honor and shame. You honor.
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  S7: And they'll they'll look at you. If you do something
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  S7: to shame them, they will look. They will seek revenge.
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  S7: And indeed, Israel has shamed Iran. Uh, by the attack
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  S7: they've done. The United States has shamed Iran. Uh, it's
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  S7: not that Iran's going to give up and say, well, okay,
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  S7: we'll play nice. Now they're going to look for ways
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  S7: to get back to seek revenge and and fighting one war.
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  S7: You're just setting the stage for the next. And that's
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  S7: just the reality in the Middle East. And it sets
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  S7: the stage that God has said will take place. Jesus said,
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  S7: there'll be wars and rumors of wars. And that's what
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  S7: we seem to be having in this cycle over and
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  S7: over again.
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  S6: Yeah. And it seems to be increasing with intensity. How
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  S6: do these Abraham Accords fit into this mix? These accords
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  S6: have to fall apart at some time. Right, Charlie?
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  S7: Uh, they will. You're exactly right. And I think we're
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  S7: starting to see that as nice as they sound, all
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  S7: of those Gulf nations are pygmies. When it comes to Iran.
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  S7: Iran is the big enemy on the block. They're afraid
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  S7: of Iran. They've seen what Iran can do. They're certainly
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  S7: looking for ways to find protection, but they're afraid to
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  S7: go to Israel because of the religious nature. They don't
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  S7: want to be called having the Jewish state protecting Arabs
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  S7: against Arabs or Arabs against other fellow Muslims. So they're
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  S7: great for economics. But when a war comes along, we
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  S7: saw how quickly that economics can fall apart and how
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  S7: much they can be threatened.
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  S6: Another below the surface thing explain the difference between Sunni
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  S6: and Shia and why that is a divide at some level.
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  S6: But when the end comes, that divide will be gone
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  S6: and they'll be aligned against Israel. Explain that Charlie.
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  S7: The Sunni Shia divide took place shortly after Muhammad's death,
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  S7: and it started as a divide over who's going to
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  S7: replace Muhammad. But it quickly developed into some theological differences.
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  S7: And the way I explained it to some is think
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  S7: between Protestant and Catholic, we come from the same, same root.
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  S7: And yet there's been some incredible hatred along the way.
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  S7: And that's what that's what you have between the Sunnis
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  S7: and the Shiites. Now, beyond that, uh, you're right though.
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  S7: The enemy of my enemy is now my ally. Uh, so, uh,
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  S7: as I look at it, the Sunnis and Shiites will
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  S7: be drawn together if facing a common enemy. And, of course,
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  S7: Israel's the common enemy in that part of the world.
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  S6: Coming up, Doctor Charlie Dyer, our guest right now, we're
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  S6: talking end times. And I think one of the questions
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  S6: that a lot of pastors struggle with is how do
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  S6: we prepare people that see a lot of the inflamed, uh,
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  S6: geopolitical map that we currently witness? How do we prepare
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  S6: people for that? How do we keep an eye on
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  S6: Israel and not lose our minds in the process? More
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  S6: with Doctor Charlie Dyer straight ahead.
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  S1: Your shot of hope to get you through the day.
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  S5: You are so, so loved. God does not want you
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  S5: to stay in your past. And I want you to
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  S5: know and believe that today.
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  S1: You're listening to Carl and Crew.
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  S6: We're talking in times this whole week, boom crew. And
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  S6: with me right now is a dear man, dear man
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  S6: of God. To Doctor Charlie, dear boy, I appreciate your
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  S6: love for Jesus. And we got to get our feet
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  S6: on the rock if we're not going to lose our
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  S6: minds in what's happening in the Middle East right now. Right, Charlie?
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  S7: Oh, you're absolutely right, Carl.
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  S6: Yeah. How do we do that? And I think, how
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  S6: do we balance keeping an eye on what's going on
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  S6: in the Middle East? Uh, even seeing what's going on
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  S6: with Iran and all that flux that is going on.
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  S6: How do we balance hearing the news and walking with Jesus?
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  S7: Uh, I'll give you two scripture passages that to me
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  S7: are the foundation for it all. One, I start with
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  S7: Jesus in Matthew 24. You know, he talked about the
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  S7: end times, and he starts by saying, watch out that
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  S7: no one deceives you. Many will come saying, I'm the
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  S7: Christ to deceive many, many prophets will appear to deceive many.
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  S7: And the word that keeps appearing there is deceive. And
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  S7: what he finally says at the very end he said,
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  S7: he says, if possible, they could even deceive the elect,
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  S7: the believers. And he says, if that were possible. And
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  S7: he says, see, I told you this ahead of time.
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  S7: How do we keep from being deceived, from being sucked in,
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  S7: from being taken out? It's going where Jesus told us
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  S7: to go. And that's remember what he said. Remember what
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  S7: the Bible says about the future. And then Paul says
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  S7: the same thing. Paul wrote to the Thessalonians and said,
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  S7: you know, there was some prophecy report letters saying, we're
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  S7: in the day of the Lord. You know, the fake
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  S7: news was around in the time of Paul. And he says,
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  S7: don't you remember when I was with you, I used
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  S7: to tell you these things. He basically says, go back
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  S7: and remember what I focused on when I taught you
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  S7: the Word of God. And so how do we keep
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  S7: from being worried, from being sucked out in in all
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  S7: sorts of directions? Get back to the Bible. Get back
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  S7: to what Jesus said, what Paul said. And the more
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  S7: we know that, the more we can evaluate what's happening
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  S7: and not be pulled apart and and stressed beyond our ability.
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  S6: You know, when we think about end times, I'm shocked.
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  S6: A couple of things come to mind. One is we
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  S6: don't appear to be a superpower or we've become a
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  S6: superpower that is very dovish or anti-Israel at the end
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  S6: of time as a nation. Is that fair to say?
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  S7: It is. Zechariah says all the nations are going to
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  S7: be against Israel as the end times approach. Okay, right
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  S7: now the only one in Israel's corner is the US. And, uh,
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  S7: we're one election away from from not doing that.
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  S6: Yeah. And, and there's some polling out that is troubling
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  S6: big time troubling in our lifetime. Charlie. We have never
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  S6: seen Palestine have one tick point higher of sympathy than Israel.
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  S6: But we are there today.
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  S7: What are.
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  S6: Yeah. What's going on here, Charlie? And it's I I've
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  S6: been talking to Michael Riedel about this. This feels demonic
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  S6: at its core.
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  S7: It is. In fact, it's interesting in both Jesus and
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  S7: Paul's words, they mention Satan. Satan hates the Jewish people.
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  S7: Satan's goal is to get the nations to hate the
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  S7: Jewish people. And to the extent that we as a
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  S7: country and the world has moved away from God's values,
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  S7: God's sense of what's right and wrong, we've opened ourselves
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  S7: up to the deception that Satan brings in now, the
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  S7: solution always ends up being the Word of God. The
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  S7: more people know the Word of God, the more they
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  S7: can stand up and offer God's answers to Satan's delusions
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  S7: and deceptions.
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  S6: You know the interesting thing about replacement theologians who are
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  S6: our brothers and sisters in Christ? For sure, they don't
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  S6: go as far as to totally denounce Israel, but we've
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  S6: got a woke right and a woke left, both sides
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  S6: of this. We're seeing this rise of anti-Semitism almost spiritualizing
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  S6: our disdain for Israel as a nation. How do you
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  S6: look at Scripture and say, no, God still blesses those
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  S6: who bless you and curses those who curse you? Some
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  S6: look at the context of that passage and say, ah,
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  S6: that's that's Abraham. We're in a new covenant. How do
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  S6: you dispel some of that? Whether you're covenant theologian or dispensational,
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  S6: how do we dispel that and hold on to support
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  S6: for Israel.
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  S7: We go to the one passage in the New Testament
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  S7: where Paul says, let me tell you how the Church
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  S7: and Israel relate. Romans 910 and 11. And in Romans 11,
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  S7: Paul comes out clearly and says, God's gifts and his promises,
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  S7: and he's talking about the ones he made to Israel
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  S7: are irrevocable. Well, if Paul said that to the church,
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  S7: that's our marching orders for the church. And he's saying,
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  S7: in essence, what God promised to Israel in the Old
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  S7: Testament is still God's promise, which we should hold to.
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  S7: By the way, because if God can change his mind
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  S7: when it comes to Israel, then he can change his
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  S7: mind when it comes to us. And we don't want
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  S7: to get to heaven and have God say, well, you know,
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  S7: I said that I'd save you, but I changed my mind.
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  S7: You know, God's not a God who changes his mind.
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  S7: He's not a man that he should repent. Neither the
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  S7: Son of Man that he would do that. So God
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  S7: doesn't change his mind. He didn't for Israel. He doesn't
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  S7: for us. And frankly, that's a a blessing for us.
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  S6: You know, one of the prophecies is that all peoples
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  S6: will hear and then the end will come. There's a
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  S6: notion in which that we have for years struggled with.
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  S6: I think most recent count was still several hundred languages
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  S6: that hadn't had the gospel proclaimed in in their heart language. Now,
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  S6: with the advent of AI that is moving, Charlie, I mean,
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  S6: it is moving. Do we find this this speed of knowledge?
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  S6: And by the way, that's often taken out of context.
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  S6: The knowledge that will increase is a knowledge of God,
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  S6: not mere knowledge. But what do we see that's happening
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  S6: that causes you to get your heart ticking a little faster?
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  S7: Well, that's one of the positives. I think for for AI,
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  S7: it has a lot of limitations, has a lot of
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  S7: deception connected with it, but it's also being used to
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  S7: be able to communicate more rapidly. And indeed, the ability
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  S7: to share a message with a group that we don't
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  S7: know and can't communicate with otherwise is now something that's
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  S7: in the last ten years taken off. So there's so
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  S7: much going on. Now, I do believe that in the
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  S7: end times, God will also So supernaturally raise up individuals
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  S7: around the world to communicate his word. So between that
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  S7: and AI, we're seeing the gospel go out. And what
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  S7: Jesus said indeed is going to happen. They're all going
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  S7: to have a chance to hear before Jesus returns.
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  S6: Love it. Doctor Charlie Dyer, thank you so much, guys.
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  S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
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  S6: All right. A little disclaimer at the bottom of the hour,
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  S6: we got an oops. Uh oh. But it's explainable and
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  S6: we can't sub for. But Ali's gone today, and I'm sorry.
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  S8: Oh, man.
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  S5: So that means she's okay?
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  S6: Yeah. And you're not going to be okay. You're going
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  S6: to have the shakes. You're going to have the shakes
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  S6: and stuff like that. But we will have jokes next week.
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  S6: It's a sad day.
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  S2: There is a sad day.
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  S6: No jokes today, man.
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  S2: Do you think we'll make it?
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  S6: We're going to get by with a little help from
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  S6: our friends. You come off a segment like that with
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  S6: Doctor Charlie Dyer and you go, I got some thinking
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  S6: to do. I got some reading to do. Right, guys?
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  S2: Oh, goodness. Yeah.
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  S5: I'm sorry I was reading sorry.
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  S2: I like having these experts on because yeah, some reading
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  S2: needs to be done, but it's great to have some
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  S2: people who can flesh it out for us with, with
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  S2: what they know and their experience helping us kind of
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  S2: start our journey to.
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  S5: Understand it in a way. You know, explain it in
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  S5: a way we can get it.
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  S2: I need that.
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  S6: Yeah. End times can be sticky. It can be confusing.
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  S6: But even the book of revelation is the one book
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  S6: that has a blessing attached to it for those who
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  S6: read and apply his word. So keep your nose in it.
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  S6: Don't be afraid of it. Speaking of keeping your nose
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  S6: in it, not afraid of it. We got a fearless
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  S6: man coming up here. I love this guy. Doctor Wayne Grudem.
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  S6: He's written an amazing theology. He's the general editor of
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  S6: the ESV Bible, including the study Bible. He's an amazing
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  S6: man of God, and God has used him mightily, not
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  S6: only in my life personally as a friend, but as
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  S6: a great theologian and a great thinker. You know, one
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  S6: of the things that we want to do here with
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  S6: Carl and Crew is give you a different perspectives on
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  S6: end times, and you might hear something different come from
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  S6: Wayne Grudem. I don't know that for sure. But when
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  S6: we bring them in, I'm going to pitch him questions
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  S6: that will give his biblical perspective from years of study.
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  S6: And I want you to be a Berean. What's a
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  S6: Berean do? Young Thunder?
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  S2: They take what was told to them and they hold
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  S2: it up to the word and say, how can I
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  S2: tell if this is true? Well, let's look at what
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  S2: God says about it. And then, you know, being investigative.
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  S6: Yeah, it's a good word. We love you guys in
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  S6: times all week long. Coming up straight ahead. Doctor Wayne
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  S6: Grudem with us.
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  S1: Get your info from a source you can trust. It's
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  S1: Ask the experts week with Carl and crew.
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  S6: We've got an amazing man of God coming up here
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  S6: in just a moment. Doctor Wayne Grudem. He's struggled with
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  S6: Parkinson's for over a decade and he's got some other
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  S6: health complications. But God is using him mightily. Still, lend
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  S6: an ear to what you're about to hear with Doctor
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  S6: Wayne Grudem.
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  S1: Get in the know with life's biggest questions. It's ask
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  S1: the experts week with Carl and crew.
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  S6: Our topic this week is End Times, and we've had
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  S6: a just a tremendous raft of theologians. Pastors come in
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  S6: and today is like that, maybe even better. Doctor Wayne Grudem,
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  S6: he's a distinguished research professor emeritus of theology and biblical
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  S6: studies at Phoenix Seminary in Arizona. And by the way,
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  S6: if you have an English Standard version, you need to
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  S6: know he was central in this translation oversight committee and
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  S6: was the general editor of the ESV Study Bible. He's
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  S6: the author of more than 30 books. His bestseller, Systematic
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  S6: Theology is over my left shoulder, within reach of my
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  S6: left arm right now. And he is a great man
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  S6: of God. Wayne, good to have you with me this morning.
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  S9: Thank you. Carl. Good to be with you.
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  S6: Well, we're talking in times and there's so many places
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  S6: we can wade in. I want to look at a
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  S6: general landscape of what you see happening in our world today.
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  S6: this radical rise of anti-Semitism, the conflict in Iran, it
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  S6: just face value. Looking through the lens of theology. What
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  S6: are you seeing unfolding here, Wayne?
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  S9: Well, there are signs that Christ could return at any time.
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  S9: Jesus said, when you see these things taking place, the
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  S9: things that he predicted in Matthew 24 know that he
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  S9: is near at the very gates. So I think when
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  S9: people today say, we hear of earthquakes and wars and
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  S9: great suffering of Christians in some countries, it could be
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  S9: that Christ is coming soon. And yet I also see
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  S9: signs of revival. Uh, great growth in Christian book publishing,
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  S9: incredible outflowing of Bible believing Christian books and, um, just
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  S9: among acquaintances, people who haven't been Christians in their whole lives,
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  S9: haven't gone in the door of a church, feel compelled
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  S9: to go to church and visit, and they become Christians,
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  S9: a number of friends to whom that has happened recently
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  S9: and God is doing something to bring about greater attendance
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  S9: at Bible believing churches. So there may be signs of
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  S9: revival starting that God is going to bring yet before
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  S9: the return of Christ. And I'm excited about that.
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  S6: I'm thrilled with you, Doctor Wayne Grudem my guest right now, Wayne,
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  S6: when we look at the the word remnant, I think
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  S6: sometimes we can think remnant means weak, but the remnant
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  S6: has always been strong, even though we are not the majority.
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  S6: And that's clearly the case today. A statistic from George
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  S6: Barna that says 4% of North American Christians have a
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  S6: Christian worldview and intend to order their private and public
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  S6: lives around it. But the remnant, I think we've interpreted it, oh, boy,
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  S6: we're going to be weak. We're going to have a
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  S6: bunker mentality. But the remnant has always been strong, has
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  S6: it not? Wayne.
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  S9: I agree with you. I don't think we've seen the
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  S9: release yet of the amazing power of the Holy Spirit
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  S9: to bring about change in people's hearts and to bring
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  S9: them from sin and rebellion against God into submission to
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  S9: him and trusting in Christ as their Savior. With working
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  S9: of miracles and the incredible power of God's Word to
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  S9: change people's hearts, we see a measure of that, but
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  S9: not yet the fullness of what could come about. If
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  S9: the Holy Spirit is pleased to release the fullness of
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  S9: his power in our preaching and in our prayers.
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  S6: As we see the end approaching, Wayne, what can we
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  S6: do as genuinely transformed children of God to invite the
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  S6: power of the spirit to manifest his presence among us
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  S6: more and more? What can we do?
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  S9: Oh boy. Carl, what a question. Isn't that what's on
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  S9: our on our hearts each day? So I've been convinced
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  S9: lately in my own life that it's a question of
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  S9: believing what God's Word says about the power of the
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  S9: Holy Spirit to change people's lives. The power of Jesus
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  S9: to answer prayer. We sometimes become so accustomed to living
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  S9: in this world without thinking very much of Christ's presence
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  S9: in us and his power working through us. But we
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  S9: could do more of that. And I think we need
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  S9: God's power and persuasive work in our hearts to be
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  S9: able to trust him more. Because so much of answers
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  S9: to prayer depends on our faith.
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  S6: Wayne, one of the things that the Lord's done in
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  S6: me since years ago when I first met you, and
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  S6: I think it's been building over the last 5 to
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  S6: 8 years, I almost get choked up thinking about it.
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  S6: I'm reminded of Andrew Murray, who says in his book humility.
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  S6: Humility is the one virtue that gives birth to every
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  S6: other virtue. Boy, the Lord's been really working on me
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  S6: in that. The amazing thing about humility versus pride, it's
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  S6: a choice that we can make every day. It's not
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  S6: a spiritual gift. It's a choice that we can make.
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  S6: How central is humility to the working of the spirit?
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  S9: Carl, let me tell you something remarkable. Margaret and I
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  S9: are in a small group that meets every other week
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  S9: and Sunday afternoon to read the Bible together and pray together.
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  S9: Sing together. And for the last month, we've been working
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  S9: through the book by Andrew Murray called humility. Just the
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  S9: exact book that you mentioned. Yeah, it's convicting to all
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  S9: of us because he says that we have to give
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  S9: up a sense of reliance on ourselves and admit to
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  S9: Christ that there's nothing in us to be able to
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  S9: bring about the results of the kingdom that we want.
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  S9: And yet we have to yield ourselves to Christ and
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  S9: tell him that it's all by his power, and not
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  S9: by any of our merit, that we can see the
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  S9: kingdom advanced and the kingdom built up, and people come
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  S9: to Christ and grow in him.
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  S6: That's beautiful. Wayne Grudem, my guest. Wayne, I want to
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  S6: jump right into some end times. You have a different
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  S6: view from some theologians, and I don't think this in
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  S6: any way breaks fellowship between what we classically know as
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  S6: dispensational theology versus covenant theology. Explain what your take is
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  S6: on the tribulation and whether or not saints of God
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  S6: will even go through that.
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  S9: Jesus predicts a great tribulation, a period of suffering that
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  S9: in which many will fall away. And we've called that
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  S9: the Great tribulation that is yet to come. I think
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  S9: it is yet coming to the earth. Carl, I don't
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  S9: think we've seen yet the extent of the suffering that
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  S9: Jesus predicts, but I'm not sure that I'm right. If
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  S9: Jesus would return today, which I believe he could, you
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  S9: and I might say, well, wait a minute. We didn't
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  S9: go through the tribulation. Well, we haven't we haven't suffered
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  S9: that way. But the Christians in North Korea, in Iran,
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  S9: in China, in a number of Muslim dominated nations in Africa,
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  S9: if we say to them, the tribulation hasn't yet occurred,
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  S9: they say, what do you mean?
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  S6: You're right about that. You're right.
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  S9: We're going through it. We've been living through it for
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  S9: the last 15 years, 20 years.
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  S6: You know, one of the questions about the tribulation is wrath.
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  S6: And the interesting thing is that God has spared saints
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  S6: from wrath. At least two occasions that I can think of.
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  S6: I think of Noah and I think of lot. So
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  S6: it's not beyond God to spare saints the wrath of God,
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  S6: even in the midst of it being inflicted on a
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  S6: broader whole of people. Any thoughts on that, Wayne?
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  S9: Well, I think you're right. We don't have to think
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  S9: that every single Christian in every nation of the world
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  S9: will go through the same amount of suffering and tribulation,
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  S9: but many will. And, uh, if it happens to be us,
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  S9: then we have to trust God that he will sustain
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  S9: us through the difficult times. And I think, be even
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  S9: closer to us in our knowledge of his presence in
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  S9: our hearts and his presence with us in our circumstances.
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  S6: When we think of end times, you've studied the scriptures
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  S6: so thoroughly, and one of the things that I appreciate
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  S6: about your theology is that you present usually more than
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  S6: just two sides of an issue, often oftentimes 3 or
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  S6: 4 different positions on any given text. And I love
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  S6: that about you. But when you look at the battle
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  S6: of Gog and Magog, for instance, that's going to be
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  S6: the great battle before Armageddon. Where do you put that
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  S6: on your timeline? And is there anything currently going on
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  S6: in the Middle East that causes you to say, boy,
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  S6: the end could be near?
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  S9: It's been several years since I've looked at the Gog
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  S9: and Magog passages, but it is interesting that some of
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  S9: the forces come from the north of Israel. And I
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  S9: looked at a world map once and looked at Jerusalem
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  S9: and traced the globe north from Jerusalem. It goes through
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  S9: a lot of unpopulated areas. The first major city you
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  S9: come to, going directly north from Jerusalem is Moscow. And
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  S9: so I am wondering if yet the evil rulers of
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  S9: Russia will not have a role in the forces of
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  S9: evil gathered against God's people. I don't know about that,
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  S9: but it's interesting to speculate. Yeah, I think all of
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  S9: these things, Carl, they should cause us to think, wow,
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  S9: Jesus could return. I believe he could return today. And, uh,
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  S9: a couple of times in my life, I have been
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  S9: awakened in the middle of the night with a loud
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  S9: thunderclap where I thought, Is Jesus coming back right now?
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  S9: And it wasn't true, but that expectation should be in
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  S9: all of our hearts and minds.
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  S6: Yes, speak to that expectation because I think a lot
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  S6: of people look at what's going on in Iran, and
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  S6: we see stock markets that are have a lot of fear.
• 29:38
  S6: There's a fear index for stocks that is peaked right now. There's, um,
• 29:44
  S6: a lot of uncertainty for a disciple of Christ. Wayne,
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  S6: isn't this a moment of expectation rather than fear?
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  S9: Yes. And I think I'd like it to be a
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  S9: moment of obedience rather than panic, obedience and trust. Reading
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  S9: Scripture and seeing its ministry to calm our hearts and, um,
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  S9: making sure that the responsibilities that God has given us
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  S9: in our ministry to friends, neighbors, family members, church, that
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  S9: we're being faithful to him so that when he comes,
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  S9: we won't be embarrassed. But the things that have needed
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  S9: to be taken care of, the broken relationships that have
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  S9: been mended, the wrongs that we've done to others we've
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  S9: asked forgiveness for so that we will not be ashamed
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  S9: but rejoice at his coming.
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  S6: Wayne, give us your thoughts about AI and end times.
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  S6: What has God got in your mind today?
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  S9: Well, Carl, last night I went to ChatGPT and asked
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  S9: this question. What would Wayne Grudem say about the role
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  S9: of artificial intelligence in the End times?
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  S6: What did he what did they tell you? Wayne would say.
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  S9: In 10s I got back three printed pages that says
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  S9: Wayne Grudem has not written any major published work, especially
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  S9: about artificial intelligence in the end times. so there's no
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  S9: direct answer. But based on his theology and his published writings,
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  S9: here's an estimate of what he would say. And it
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  S9: was remarkably accurate. This is something I have not written
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  S9: anything about. And it said God generally sees technology as
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  S9: morally neutral. That's right, I do. Can be used for
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  S9: good or for evil. He believes the end times will
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  S9: involve increased global power and deception. That's true, I do.
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  S9: I look for a future Antichrist, not look for eagerly,
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  S9: but expect a future Antichrist and global political authority and
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  S9: widespread deception and persecution of believers. That's true. And then
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  S9: it said he would likely stress human responsibility, not technological determinism. Yes,
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  S9: it's our choices for good and evil. And then it
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  S9: gives a summary of my teaching, of my future view
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  S9: that I have not said anything about publicly. This is
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  S9: what they say Gruden would say. The Bible does not
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  S9: tell us what technology will exist in the last days,
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  S9: but it does tell us that there will be increasing
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  S9: deception and centralized power. Artificial intelligence could be used for
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  S9: either good or evil purposes, depending on the moral choices
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  S9: of human beings. Christians should not assume that new technologies
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  S9: are in themselves signs of the end, but they should
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  S9: be aware that any powerful technology could be used in
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  S9: ways that oppose God's purposes. Carl. That's what I would say.
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  S6: To accurately pin down Doctor Wayne Grudem.
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  S9: And something I have not said anything about, but predicted
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  S9: what I would think in 10s it did that.
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  S6: Wayne Grudem is my guest right now. Doctor Wayne Grudem,
• 32:30
  S6: and he's been an amazing contributor for a number of years.
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  S6: To Disciples of Christ, walking forward in the power of
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  S6: the spirit. Wayne, I want to give you a final
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  S6: word here with regard to end times. Uh, you've walked
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  S6: with Jesus for a number of years. You've stumbled. You've
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  S6: got some sacred scars, I'm sure, to prove that you
• 32:53
  S6: are anything but perfect. But what would your appeal be
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  S6: to those listening today as they see the end drawing
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  S6: what appears to be nearer still? What's on your heart, Wayne?
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  S9: Well, I think I would encourage believers who are listening
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  S9: to this broadcast to be sure you walk with the
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  S9: Lord is firm and regular and strong, that you're taking
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  S9: time for reading His word and prayer each day. That
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  S9: when he is stirring up your conscience regarding something that
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  S9: isn't quite right in your life, that you'll listen and
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  S9: not brush it aside. That you ask forgiveness for any
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  S9: known sin. When you sense his call to you to
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  S9: visit a friend, to make a phone call, to send
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  S9: an email that you obey his prompting and stay in
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  S9: fellowship with other believers in times of worship and times
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  S9: of prayer. It's just a matter of living the Christian life.
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  S9: No special secret for even theology professors. It's. It's just
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  S9: get up in the morning and read his word and
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  S9: pray and then go through the day. I think we
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  S9: all could grow in sensitivity to the leading of the
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  S9: Holy Spirit in our daily lives, and in boldness in
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  S9: initiating conversations where we can talk about Jesus with the
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  S9: people we're in contact with.
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  S6: You know, it's interesting, the older I get Wayne, the
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  S6: more it's the small, simple things that give me great
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  S6: joy in the Lord with him. I rise early now
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  S6: in the mornings, and I pray the last two verses
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  S6: of Psalm 139 every morning search me, O God, and
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  S6: know my heart. Try me and know my ways. See
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  S6: if there'd be any hurtful way in me. And lead
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  S6: me in the way everlasting. You know, Wayne, it's that
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  S6: little cup of coffee with God that is so rich
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  S6: for me now. What do you find? Riches of Christ
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  S6: Jesus in in the little things right now? What gives
• 34:45
  S6: you and Margaret your bride of, oh, a number of
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  S6: years now, what gives you great joy?
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  S9: You know, it's It's watching grandchildren learn Bible verses, watching
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  S9: our son and daughter in law discipline their grandchildren and
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  S9: teach them. And watching them grow in their imitation of
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  S9: the attributes of God, even though they're not aware that
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  S9: they're doing that. Just seeing that unfold in our grandchildren's lives.
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  S6: It's tremendous. Doctor Wayne Grudem has been our guest this morning,
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  S6: and I want you to know that not only has
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  S6: he left 30 books, not least of which is systematic theology.
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  S6: And if you're looking for a good theology that represents
• 35:26
  S6: a lot of different positions on myriad central passages, you
• 35:30
  S6: want to grab systematic theology. It's a great gift. And
• 35:34
  S6: I have a landing page for you. All you have
• 35:37
  S6: to do is text the word Wayne to (800) 555-7898. We've
• 35:42
  S6: got a website there with all these resources and more.
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  S6: Text the word Wayne to 805 Five 7898 waned to
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  S6: 800 555 7898.
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  S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
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  S6: And look it up. Didn't know this one.
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  S2: What'd you have to look up?
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  S3: Yeah.
• 36:06
  S6: What was Jesus doing 2000 years ago this week? I'd forgotten.
• 36:12
  S6: Healing of Bartimaeus was one that really ensconced his claim
• 36:17
  S6: to Messiahship. But he was traveling toward Jerusalem. He was
• 36:21
  S6: going to his.
• 36:21
  S3: Death.
• 36:22
  S2: On the.
• 36:22
  S6: Way. Yeah. And this time he was he was predicting
• 36:27
  S6: that he was going to die, and he was laying
• 36:29
  S6: it out for the disciples. But my goodness, I know
• 36:36
  S6: fully God and fully man. But when you're walking to
• 36:40
  S6: the city, that's going to kill you. I'm sorry, man.
• 36:46
  S2: It's it's pretty crazy when you think about it that way,
• 36:51
  S2: because no one made him go to the city. You know,
• 36:55
  S2: it's not like he was being led there. I mean,
• 36:58
  S2: he was being led there by the Holy Spirit, obviously.
• 37:00
  S6: But then he asks the father if you could take
• 37:02
  S6: this gig from me.
• 37:04
  S2: Yeah, absolutely. But he had to make a journey to
• 37:08
  S2: Jerusalem the whole time, knowing exactly what's going to happen
• 37:10
  S2: when he gets there.
• 37:11
  S6: Yeah he did.
• 37:13
  S2: It's a hard thing to sign up for.
• 37:14
  S6: So it's it's really interesting this time of year is
• 37:18
  S6: when everybody shuffles the deck. This is it, man.
• 37:22
  S3: Shuffles the deck.
• 37:23
  S6: Oh, yeah. Cars. Cars get sold. Cars get upgraded. Homes
• 37:28
  S6: go on the market.
• 37:29
  S3: Oh, okay.
• 37:30
  S6: Inventory rises, inventory declines. People are fired up because they're like, wow,
• 37:37
  S6: this is great. I can sell my home for this.
• 37:41
  S6: And then they realize to buy another one, it costs that.
• 37:45
  S3: Uh oh.
• 37:45
  S6: They all went up, Not just mine.
• 37:47
  S2: It's a bummer that way.
• 37:49
  S6: Isn't it funny? Mark gets an interesting thing. You know, it's.
• 37:53
  S6: We're talking a lot here about end times. I mean,
• 37:57
  S6: we're going after it today, aren't we? I'm talking. Going after.
• 38:01
  S3: It. Yeah. This is a.
• 38:02
  S6: Great journey in Wayne.
• 38:03
  S3: Oh, yeah. The door.
• 38:06
  S6: But you know, as we think about the end, there's
• 38:14
  S6: a lot of questions that we have for sure. But
• 38:19
  S6: one of them ought to be. Not what am I
• 38:24
  S6: going to do? But why am I going to do that?
• 38:26
  S6: Let me explain what I mean. And by the way,
• 38:29
  S6: I'm big on this Y thing. Ever since I saw
• 38:33
  S6: Simon Sinek in his Ted talk. I'm like, oh boy,
• 38:37
  S6: that's the best thing ever. It's not the how. It's
• 38:40
  S6: not the what. It's the why that people are buying.
• 38:43
  S6: That's his contention in that incredible Ted talk that I
• 38:46
  S6: don't know, has, I don't know, 40 million or way
• 38:49
  S6: more than that views. And it's, um, it's interesting because
• 38:54
  S6: if you can't answer the why, why go after the
• 38:56
  S6: what and the how? See, part of the reason that
• 38:59
  S6: we've got a lot of kids that have left the
• 39:01
  S6: church is they were told the what and the how,
• 39:03
  S6: but they were never told the why or if they were,
• 39:06
  S6: it wasn't really explained.
• 39:07
  S3: Sure.
• 39:08
  S6: You know what I mean guys?
• 39:09
  S5: Yeah, that was me. I was like, okay.
• 39:10
  S2: Just go and do it. Don't ask questions.
• 39:12
  S5: I sat there on the end table, but we didn't
• 39:14
  S5: open it.
• 39:15
  S3: Right.
• 39:16
  S6: And, and you know, the problem is, and by the way,
• 39:21
  S6: don't beat yourself up parents because you're like, yeah, I
• 39:23
  S6: told them, this is how we go. This is what
• 39:26
  S6: we do. This is. But a lot of people have
• 39:30
  S6: neglected to talk about the why. So don't beat yourself
• 39:32
  S6: up about that. But a lot of kids walked away
• 39:36
  S6: from the church because the why wasn't compelling or they
• 39:39
  S6: never heard it. And when all you do is because
• 39:43
  S6: of the what and the how. That ain't going to
• 39:45
  S6: cut it.
• 39:47
  S2: It doesn't have staying power. If it does start that way, it'll.
• 39:50
  S2: I mean, it it peters out.
• 39:51
  S6: Yeah it does. So in this next few minutes, I
• 39:56
  S6: want to answer a question. How do I make decisions
• 40:04
  S6: with my life that are going to guide where I live?
• 40:11
  S6: What kind of house I buy? What kind of job
• 40:15
  S6: I take when I leave a job. I'm talking. Yeah.
• 40:21
  S6: All that. Because if you're not careful, the what and
• 40:25
  S6: the how without the why can lead you into something
• 40:28
  S6: that God doesn't even want for you. He doesn't even
• 40:31
  S6: want it. It's not his will for your life. You're like,
• 40:36
  S6: oh boy, this might be good because it's spring and
• 40:38
  S6: our house is going on the market or whatever. So
• 40:41
  S6: here's the cool thing about God's Word and a couple
• 40:45
  S6: of places you can just determine, oh, this is the
• 40:49
  S6: will of God for my life. Can it direct things like.
• 40:55
  S6: When I sell a house, when I buy a house
• 40:57
  S6: where I do it, what job? I take it all. Yes.
• 41:00
  S6: If we don't have an integrated faith, what are we doing?
• 41:04
  S6: I mean, think about that.
• 41:06
  S2: Right? We want Jesus to be a part of every
• 41:08
  S2: aspect of our life, not just the the moments that
• 41:11
  S2: are in church or around a small group. We want
• 41:14
  S2: him here with us all day, every day.
• 41:17
  S3: Yeah.
• 41:17
  S6: Even in the small group, you get asked the question why?
• 41:20
  S2: Yeah, 100%.
• 41:22
  S6: I mean, every question, every decision you're making has to go.
• 41:26
  S6: I mean, you almost need to be to God like
• 41:29
  S6: your kid was to you when he was five. Why
• 41:32
  S6: why why why, mom?
• 41:37
  S3: Oh.
• 41:38
  S6: But it's it's a good one to ask and we're
• 41:40
  S6: going to deal with it.
• 41:41
  S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
• 41:45
  S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
• 41:49
  S1: Moody Radio.
• 41:51
  S6: If you look for the will of God, you can
• 41:53
  S6: find it distinctly three times in the New Testament. You
• 41:58
  S6: want them? I got it for you. First is this
• 42:01
  S6: it is God's will that people believe in the son
• 42:06
  S6: and have eternal life. How awesome is that? That is
• 42:09
  S6: God's will for our life. That you would believe that
• 42:15
  S6: Jesus is the Son of God and have eternal life.
• 42:18
  S6: That's just awesome. Another one is that you would give
• 42:23
  S6: thanks in all circumstances. This is God's will. First Thessalonians
• 42:30
  S6: 513 and in first Thessalonians, if you back up a
• 42:35
  S6: little bit, you find this big umbrella for the will
• 42:38
  S6: of God. That is something that I use all the time.
• 42:40
  S6: First Thessalonians chapter four, verse three. This is the will
• 42:44
  S6: of God, your sanctification. Oftentimes we have this bifurcated or
• 42:52
  S6: quad furcated life. We've got this. We got this faith. Carl,
• 42:56
  S6: I'm going to put myself here. We got this Carl
• 42:58
  S6: that's got this faith component. I put my faith in Jesus.
• 43:02
  S6: The tendency can be to think, then we've got this.
• 43:06
  S6: And that kind of revolves around church and quiet time
• 43:09
  S6: and all that. And then we've got this. We got
• 43:12
  S6: this job, Carl, and you got this family, Carl, and
• 43:15
  S6: you got this hobbies, Carl. And you got all that. No, no, no, really, boy,
• 43:23
  S6: if you could paint a picture, rather than even having
• 43:28
  S6: a hierarchical list of what comes first, second, third, fourth,
• 43:31
  S6: fifth in your life, which is usually ranks out this way.
• 43:36
  S6: God and then family and then work. And then you
• 43:39
  S6: go down the list. Really? You should look at it
• 43:42
  S6: almost like a dartboard. Where in the center. Is God
• 43:47
  S6: in the center? And then he works out through all
• 43:50
  S6: those little pie charts, right? All those little pies right
• 43:55
  S6: where it's got at the center. And if God's at
• 43:57
  S6: the center. This is the will of God, number one,
• 43:59
  S6: that you know him. Number two, that you give thanks
• 44:03
  S6: in all circumstances. But this is the big one. Your
• 44:07
  S6: sanctification and your sanctification is not bifurcated from your work.
• 44:14
  S6: It's not bifurcated from your play. It's sanctification permeates every
• 44:20
  S6: aspect of our life. This is a big deal. This
• 44:23
  S6: is a big deal. And it's as practical as a
• 44:29
  S6: young man at our downtown campus here at 180 Chicago.
• 44:33
  S6: and he had a big decision coming up and he
• 44:36
  S6: made an appointment. We got on the horn together and
• 44:38
  S6: talked and he had a big decision. And what's great
• 44:41
  S6: is I can go back to the Word of God.
• 44:43
  S6: I'm not giving them my thoughts and my feelings about
• 44:46
  S6: what job he takes or whatever. What if he moves? Whatever.
• 44:51
  S6: I said, this is the will of God, your sanctification.
• 44:54
  S6: There's one thing you got to think about. What is
• 44:58
  S6: going to grow me up in God, and you take
• 45:04
  S6: a couple different options that you have before you. It
• 45:06
  S6: could be that it's going to be tougher to do that,
• 45:09
  S6: but it's going to grow you up and guide more.
• 45:13
  S6: And if you can think through every decision in your
• 45:17
  S6: life through this is the will of God, your sanctification.
• 45:20
  S6: Oh my goodness, now you've got an integrated faith. Now
• 45:25
  S6: everything works together. You start. You start looking at even
• 45:32
  S6: hobbies through the lens of your sanctification. It could be
• 45:37
  S6: that you need to ramp that up a little bit
• 45:39
  S6: and bring something else down a little bit, but God's
• 45:42
  S6: will permeates everything. Coming up here in a moment, I'm
• 45:47
  S6: going to bring in a special guest. I just got
• 45:50
  S6: a call out to him. We're going to talk about
• 45:53
  S6: a big issue that many of you are facing. The
• 45:57
  S6: question is, how do we discern what that even looks
• 46:01
  S6: like in my life? It's a big one. We'll tackle it.
• 46:06
  S1: The gospel changes everything.
• 46:09
  S4: Where else am I going to find peace? Joy? Eternal
• 46:11
  S4: life not found in anyone else.
• 46:15
  S1: You're listening to Carl and Crew.
• 46:19
  S6: This is the will of God, your sanctification. So I've
• 46:23
  S6: had it happen many times where people ask me, hey,
• 46:26
  S6: I've got a choice here. I've got this or that.
• 46:28
  S6: And I go, you know what? There's one question that
• 46:31
  S6: you got to ask. Which of those two is going
• 46:35
  S6: to most fulfill the will of God in my life,
• 46:38
  S6: which is my sanctification? You find the will. God is
• 46:43
  S6: willing that none would perish but that all would come
• 46:46
  S6: to faith in Christ. Isn't that sweet? God's will for
• 46:50
  S6: us is that we would be of good cheer even
• 46:53
  S6: in every circumstance and God's will for us. First Thessalonians
• 46:58
  S6: four three is sanctification, that we would grow up in
• 47:02
  S6: our relationship with God. So it might not be an
• 47:06
  S6: easy spot. I mean, think about this, Jesus, a couple
• 47:11
  S6: thousand years ago this week was headed toward Jerusalem to
• 47:15
  S6: pay the price for our sins. Guys, he was headed
• 47:18
  S6: that way. That was God's will for his life. Now, thankfully,
• 47:24
  S6: we don't have to go to the cross. Jesus did
• 47:26
  S6: it for us. But where we're going, we got to
• 47:29
  S6: ask the question, is this going to grow me up
• 47:32
  S6: in my relationship with God? One of the biggest whys
• 47:34
  S6: in the road that we face is what do we
• 47:37
  S6: do when we leave our place of employment, especially when
• 47:41
  S6: we're in the classical? I'm going to put it in
• 47:42
  S6: air quotes. Retirement years. Dave Chervinsky, my guest right now.
• 47:47
  S6: Good to have you with me, Dave. We're talking about
• 47:49
  S6: this whole issue of the will of God. It's good
• 47:52
  S6: to to not bifurcate our life into work versus worship
• 47:57
  S6: of God. Right, my friend?
• 47:58
  S10: Well, I think they're one and the same thing. And,
• 48:02
  S10: you know, we identify our work and our Christianity through
• 48:06
  S10: the things we do. And it's not just on Sundays,
• 48:10
  S10: it's on every day. Yeah. And so your work really
• 48:13
  S10: is going to be an example of your faith. How
• 48:17
  S10: hard do you work? How, what is your dedication level?
• 48:20
  S10: What is your your mission isn't just to do work,
• 48:23
  S10: but it's to lead people to Christ.
• 48:24
  S3: Yeah.
• 48:25
  S6: When did you have an epiphany in your life when
• 48:28
  S6: God revealed to you that retirement, that break from what
• 48:33
  S6: you're doing? I'm not saying that you never retire, but
• 48:37
  S6: you actually shift gears into another, um, emphasis for your life.
• 48:42
  S6: When did that hit you? Dave.
• 48:45
  S10: It was about 15 years ago when I spent my
• 48:48
  S10: career helping people plan to leave the workforce. And as
• 48:52
  S10: those people were actually leaving the workforce, some, you know,
• 48:56
  S10: younger and especially athletes that we work with are younger
• 48:59
  S10: when they leave the workforce. I saw how empty it
• 49:03
  S10: was when they left and how for a lot of people,
• 49:07
  S10: their purpose was gone. The reason for waking up was gone.
• 49:10
  S10: They didn't have to go to work. And it struck
• 49:12
  S10: me at that moment that this is not what we
• 49:15
  S10: should be planning for. And it's not just about work
• 49:19
  S10: or things like that, but it's about your purpose. And
• 49:21
  S10: your life is so much greater than what your job
• 49:25
  S10: is or the office that you drive to. That is
• 49:27
  S10: that is a relatively small part of our lives. It's
• 49:29
  S10: our faith that is really what we're going to walk
• 49:32
  S10: out forever.
• 49:33
  S3: Yeah.
• 49:34
  S6: It's so beautiful. You know, I think the tendency, Dave,
• 49:37
  S6: is that we do bifurcate or quad furcate our life,
• 49:40
  S6: but you, you nailed it. I mean, when we are
• 49:44
  S6: transformed by the power of God's grace that has the opportunity.
• 49:49
  S6: It doesn't say that it will, but it has the
• 49:51
  S6: opportunity to impact every aspect of our life. I know
• 49:55
  S6: that you're a big champion, that let's just cut to
• 49:58
  S6: it that retirement not found in the scriptures. Right, Dave?
• 50:02
  S6: It's not there.
• 50:03
  S11: It's not really there. The way that.
• 50:05
  S10: We're going, that the way that the world does it now,
• 50:07
  S10: where you walk away and you walk the beach for
• 50:09
  S10: the next 25 years, and then somebody reads about your
• 50:13
  S10: death notice in the paper. That's not in the Bible.
• 50:16
  S6: So give us a vision. If retirement isn't there for
• 50:20
  S6: what could be there.
• 50:22
  S10: Well, Carl, I think it starts earlier than, you know,
• 50:25
  S10: those last couple of years in your in your work life,
• 50:28
  S10: it really starts somewhere. You know, maybe 10 or 15
• 50:32
  S10: years out where you're investing in things greater than ourselves,
• 50:36
  S10: greater than the world. And I always go back to Proverbs.
• 50:39
  S10: I love Proverbs because there's so much wisdom in there.
• 50:43
  S10: And Proverbs 1320 says, he who walks with the wise
• 50:48
  S10: grows wise. And I think what that means to me
• 50:51
  S10: is that, you know, if you really want to know
• 50:53
  S10: what God's will is for the rest of your life
• 50:55
  S10: after work, after these things, after kids are gone, you're
• 50:58
  S10: going to put people in your life that are biblically correct,
• 51:03
  S10: biblically in place, and they're going to help you, and
• 51:06
  S10: you're going to help them discern what comes next in
• 51:09
  S10: your life. And they could be a pastor or a
• 51:12
  S10: prayer partner. Uh, there could be appall in your life
• 51:16
  S10: that you're learning from somebody that you're learning with and
• 51:19
  S10: somebody that you're teaching to kind of a mentoring relationship.
• 51:23
  S10: And I think these accountability levels in your life will
• 51:26
  S10: help you develop a discernment for what comes next. And I,
• 51:31
  S10: you know, I just got back Sunday night from the
• 51:34
  S10: Amazon River in Brazil. We did a missions trip there,
• 51:37
  S10: and we took a big group of guys, a big
• 51:39
  S10: group of people with us from a local church. And
• 51:42
  S10: I'm watching it change their lives as we're serving people
• 51:46
  S10: that nobody even knows that they're alive.
• 51:49
  S3: Yeah.
• 51:49
  S10: And I and one of the guys said, David, this
• 51:53
  S10: trip has changed my life. You know, I didn't do that.
• 51:59
  S10: I didn't change his life. God changed this young man's
• 52:02
  S10: life because now he knows he has this information and
• 52:05
  S10: he can apply it to the rest of his life.
• 52:07
  S10: And I think that's the kind of stuff we need
• 52:09
  S10: to be around what comes next. Because and you know, Carl,
• 52:13
  S10: I'm not against leisure and golfing and doing things like that. Sure.
• 52:17
  S10: I think those things are important too. I don't want
• 52:19
  S10: you to retire and have no fun in your life,
• 52:23
  S10: but I want you to think about something greater, something
• 52:26
  S10: longer term, something eternal that we could be involved with.
• 52:30
  S6: Yeah. No, I love this, Dave. David Sharansky, my guest
• 52:33
  S6: right now, and he's written on that. I'll tell you
• 52:35
  S6: about it in a moment here. But you know, this
• 52:38
  S6: is this is really important because I think a lot
• 52:42
  S6: of people, when you find the kind of the totality
• 52:45
  S6: of who you are and work when you retire. Oh,
• 52:48
  S6: now you got a problem. But when you see that
• 52:50
  S6: God's given you spiritual gifts, uh, you've gained years of
• 52:54
  S6: wisdom that others need. I'm reminded of Howard Hendricks. I
• 52:57
  S6: remember him telling a group of us we were meeting
• 52:59
  S6: in Saint Pete Beach, and he said, I'm spending most
• 53:03
  S6: of my years right now getting good men off the
• 53:06
  S6: golf course, back into the lives of younger men because
• 53:09
  S6: they underestimate how God can use them. What do you
• 53:12
  S6: say to what Howard said?
• 53:14
  S10: I always thought of Howard as like, a guy's guy,
• 53:17
  S10: you know, like, uh, if if if I was backed
• 53:21
  S10: into a corner. I want Howard to me because he's
• 53:24
  S10: going to help me. And so when you hear that
• 53:26
  S10: from somebody like that, when you hear that from somebody
• 53:28
  S10: that you respect and you look up to and you
• 53:31
  S10: know that they're a godly man, you take notice. And
• 53:35
  S10: I love that getting getting out of this leisure trap.
• 53:38
  S10: And that's exactly what it is for a lot of
• 53:40
  S10: people today. It's a leisure trap where you think that's
• 53:43
  S10: where I'm going to find my self-worth, my net worth,
• 53:47
  S10: my being and all those things. And I can tell you,
• 53:50
  S10: I have seen this hundreds of times now in my career.
• 53:54
  S10: It is an empty vessel and people get there and
• 53:57
  S10: they're so disappointed with what they find that it's it's
• 54:02
  S10: really incumbent on us as godly men to do what
• 54:06
  S10: Howard Howard said, get those guys, get those people. It's
• 54:10
  S10: not just guys. Yeah. It's everybody. Get those people out
• 54:14
  S10: of that life of that trap and get them back
• 54:18
  S10: to being useful people where they can further the kingdom
• 54:21
  S10: of God. Because a lot of those people are highly respected,
• 54:24
  S10: highly efficient, and very effective people. They're powerful witnesses for Christ.
• 54:31
  S10: We got to get them back there.
• 54:32
  S6: Yeah. And even if you think you're listening right now, going, well,
• 54:35
  S6: I've kind of had an obscure job. I'm not a
• 54:37
  S6: high profile person there. Someone needs what you have learned, friend.
• 54:42
  S6: Someone needs it. And then when that one's done receiving,
• 54:46
  S6: there's more. And the body of Christ needs you. Dave. David,
• 54:50
  S6: I got to tell you a story here, man, this
• 54:53
  S6: is so cool. This will fire you up. So we
• 54:55
  S6: got a guy in our, one of our campuses, actually
• 54:58
  S6: northwest campus of our church, one in Chicago. And he
• 55:00
  S6: did really well in startups, like did really well. And
• 55:04
  S6: it came time for him to do the classic retirement.
• 55:08
  S6: And God used a conversation that myself and my right
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  S6: hand man Christopher had with him. His name's Scott and
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  S6: just an incredible guy. And he read your book. And
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  S6: here's what's really cool. He loves fishing. He goes all
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  S6: over the world, goes fishing. He slowed down those trips.
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  S6: I don't know if he's been on one, maybe two
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  S6: max in the almost two years now that he's been
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  S6: serving in this new role. He's our campus director. And
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  S6: you know what he wants for a salary every year? $1. David.
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  S6: And can I can I tell you can I tell
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  S6: you something? He says this is the best job he's
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  S6: ever had in his life.
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  S10: Yeah.
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  S6: Oh, he listen, he did really well. And now he's
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  S6: doing even better. Boom. Crew, I want you to hear
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  S6: me right now. David has written a book called The
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  S6: Sin of Retirement. It was used in my friend Scott
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  S6: File's life in a big way. and I want you
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  S6: to consider it as well. We got a link coming
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  S6: your way that is both to his website and a
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  S6: link to this book. And I don't just come on
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  S6: here and sell books. We give you resources that are
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  S6: going to help you, in this case, discern the will
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  S6: of God. And it could be that you were headed
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  S6: down a path that had you checking out. God doesn't
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  S6: want you checking out transitioning. Sure. Checking out no text
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  S6: the word retirement to (800) 555-7898. Text the word retirement to (800) 555-7898.
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  S6: Watch what God can do with you.
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  S1: Tune in whenever you like. Check out the Carl and
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  S1: Cru podcast wherever you like to stream.
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  S6: This is the season when a lot of people are
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  S6: making a lot of big moves. Inventory rising on realty
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  S6: sites because it's the time, man. I mean, spring cleaning
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  S6: is happening. Sometimes movement is happening with regard to a
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  S6: lot of drivers for why we make a move. A
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  S6: lot of adjustments are made. And one of the great
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  S6: dangers here is that we have a bifurcated life, bifurcated life,
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  S6: meaning that those of you that are disciples of Christ,
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  S6: you know that God has transformed you. And and it
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  S6: dictates where you go to church, maybe how you engage
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  S6: with the small group of people reading the word and
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  S6: nobody's perfected it, but you're convicted by the Holy Spirit. And,
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  S6: and those kind of movements in our life are great.
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  S6: One of the great dangers here is that that relationship
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  S6: with God does not direct everything in our life. When
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  S6: I say bifurcated life, oftentimes we have this thing where it's, well,
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  S6: here I am with God. I'm listening to Carl and
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  S6: Crew right now. But then when I turned this off,
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  S6: when I leave church, when I get done with my
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  S6: small group, then I've got this other life I've got
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  S6: to go live. No, not in Christ Jesus. They're all integrated.
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  S6: They're all together. Everything is an outflow rather than life
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  S6: by the list. And I nail this in one book
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  S6: I wrote, but rather than life by the list, where
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  S6: you got God at the top and then family and
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  S6: then work and then. No, it's not life by the list.
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  S6: Look at it as a dartboard. Where in that centre
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  S6: is this red hot relationship with Jesus and then that boom,
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  S6: imagine through all those little pieces of pie, you've got work,
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  S6: you've got family, you've got hobby, you've got all these
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  S6: different that's the way we roll this life in Christ
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  S6: permeating every area. And so one of the great dangers
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  S6: is a lot of the reason that a lot of
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  S6: kids that were raised in church were never in Christ
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  S6: is That we talked about the how and the what.
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  S6: This is how we do it now. This is what
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  S6: you do. This is how you do it without answering
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  S6: the why? Yeah, without answering the why.
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  S2: Because I said so.
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  S6: Yeah. And God never says because I said so. So
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  S6: the question you got to ask yourself is, what is
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  S6: the will of God for my life in total? And
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  S6: if you go to Scripture, I want to give you
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  S6: three places you find the will of God. If you've
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  S6: got a pen handy, write them down. You find it
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  S6: that it's God's will. John 640. That people believe in
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  S6: the Son of God and have eternal life. How cool
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  S6: is that? That is God's will. Willing that none would perish,
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  S6: none without Jesus. John 640. Then you go to first
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  S6: Thessalonians chapter five, verse 18. Another place you find the
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  S6: will of God. Give thanks in all circumstances. I know
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  S6: it's tough, but this is the will of God because
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  S6: this is the will of God. First Thessalonians 518. Well,
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  S6: then you back up in the third place, you find
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  S6: the will of God is a little bit earlier in
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  S6: first Thessalonians, first Thessalonians chapter four, verse three, this is
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  S6: the will of God, ready your sanctification. Now it goes
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  S6: on to talk about sexual immorality and all that. But
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  S6: mark it down. This is the will of God, your sanctification.
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  S6: Big fancy word for growing up in our relationship with
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  S6: God in everything. And when we begin to look at
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  S6: our life through the lens of, wow, I'm not living
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  S6: some bifurcated life where I've got this quiet time here,
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  S6: and I hope the fumes of that kind of carry into,
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  S6: you know, kind of anger with me over here. No, no, no.
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  S6: When we start seeing that God is the God of
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  S6: everything we do, where we live, where we work, the
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  S6: hobbies we take up, how much time is committed to what.
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  S6: When we answer the bigger why Katy bar the picking door,
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  S6: it's going to change everything. Katy's working overtime today.
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  S2: She's really boring that.
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  S3: Tour, man.
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  S6: So here's the deal. God wants you to live a
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  S6: fully integrated life. And sometimes the lack of that integration
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  S6: is explanation enough for why the abundant life seems elusive.
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  S6: God wants to remedy that, Carl. God cares about where
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  S6: I live. When I sell my home, what job I'm
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  S6: going to take. Oh, you you you better believe he
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  S6: does not because he's constrictive, but because God's a God
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  S6: of liberty and freedom, and he wants to replace angst
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  S6: with promptings of the spirit that guide and direct the
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  S6: affairs of our life.
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  S2: And isn't it amazing to know that even things like
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  S2: purchasing a house or making a move all can get
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  S2: us closer to Christ?
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  S3: Oh big time.
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  S2: We don't have to have just these little things over
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  S2: here that have nothing to do with God. And then
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  S2: all this is the spiritual stuff. Know it's all moving
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  S2: us closer to Christ when we walk with him.
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  S6: Every bit of it.
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  S1: Celebrating the unstoppable gospel.
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  S2: It's not that I've got to fill in these check
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  S2: boxes so he's okay with me, but it's that I
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  S2: get to stand close to him so that I can
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  S2: experience the life that he has for me.
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  S1: You're listening to Carl and Cru.
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  S6: The Holy Spirit has someone aligned for these words I'm
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  S6: about to share with you right now. We're talking in
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  S6: times all week long. We're talking about your life counting
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  S6: in a way that you will hear well done, good
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  S6: and faithful servant. So I want you to listen closely
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  S6: and listen fast. We have a massive gap in American
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  S6: North American Western Christianity. Here's the gap. Those who are
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  S6: Christian in name only and those who are followers of
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  S6: Jesus Christ. And the gap is huge. 72% claim Christian.
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  S6: If they were pushed for a title 4% most recent
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  S6: poll 2025 4% have a biblical worldview that is so
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  S6: related to God and connected to God that they want
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  S6: the words of Scripture to guide their private and public lives.
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  S6: I'm talking to you, friend, this morning, and God brought
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  S6: you here ready? Because something hasn't added up and you've
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  S6: got a holy hunch. And now the Holy Spirit's going
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  S6: to confirm what it is. And that is, there are
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  S6: many millions of people who go to Bible believing churches
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  S6: every weekend. A lot of kids that left the church
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  S6: were never in Christ. There are many who are in
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  S6: church who are not in Christ. And friend, God doesn't
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  S6: want that for you. Jesus says it so clearly, not
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  S6: only in Matthew seven but in Matthew 25. I spent
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  S6: some time yesterday. I'm just going to say it quickly
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  S6: right now. Many will say on that day, Lord, Lord,
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  S6: and he's going to say, I never knew you. And
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  S6: you go to Matthew 25 and what you see is
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  S6: ten bridesmaids, five are ready, five are not. They all
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  S6: claim to be ready and waiting for Jesus to come.
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  S6: Five are not ready. Why? Because the Holy Spirit of
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  S6: God does not possess them. You do not have to
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  S6: be freaked out. You do not have to wonder any longer.
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  S6: But today God is calling you to quit trying to
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  S6: do this. Walking the broad path with all the idols
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  S6: in your hand. And trying to hold Jesus as well.
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  S6: Jesus will not co-habitate with your idols. Not your pursuit
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  S6: of money, of satisfaction, of pleasure, of acclaim. God wants
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  S6: all of you. There's one answer. Repentance. Turning around from
• 1:05:21
  S6: the broad path, surrendering all you are to Jesus Christ today.
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  S6: And I know I felt prompted out of the blue
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  S6: here because God brought you here, ready? And the Spirit
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  S6: of God is telling you, you've been in church, but
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  S6: you've never been in Christ. You've claimed the name Christian,
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  S6: but you've never been born again. And today you can be.
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  S6: I'm going to state it again. Are you willing to
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  S6: own the truth that you're a sinner and you need
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  S6: a savior, and you're not going to add Jesus to
• 1:05:50
  S6: your life anymore? You're going to let him take it over?
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  S6: Turn around, repent and surrender all you are to Christ. Today,
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  S6: every bit of who you are to Christ today. Every bit.
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  S6: Every bit of you. To Jesus today. Father, I thank
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  S6: you that in this moment you are. You brought a man,
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  S6: a woman, a young person, somebody many years in church,
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  S6: but they have never been in Christ. And today you're
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  S6: calling them out of darkness and into the light. Oh, God,
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  S6: make it thorough. Make it complete and show them that
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  S6: you who began this work, you'll carry it on to
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  S6: completion until the day of Christ Jesus. What am I
• 1:06:29
  S6: calling you to surrender all to him today? Become a
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  S6: disciple of Jesus Christ. And if God's Spirit is doing
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  S6: that in you right now for the first time, I'm
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  S6: going to help you on this path. I want you
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  S6: to just grab your phone and go, wow, God's Spirit
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  S6: just hit me and said, you have never been in me.
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  S6: Add on Jesus will not take you to heaven. Add on.
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  S6: Jesus will not give you abundant life. Christian in name only.
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  S6: Can't save anyone but the full surrender of your life
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  S6: to Jesus and repenting, turning around open hands, saying I
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  S6: surrender all. It can change everything. Right now I'm going
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  S6: to help you. Just text the word new. Just one
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  S6: word new n e w to 800 555 7898. We're
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  S6: going to help you in your first steps with Jesus.
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  S6: Use this link. Use it. Don't just get it. Use it.
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  S6: Text the word new to 800 555 7898. One word
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  S6: new to 800 555 7898. God had you here to
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  S6: save your soul today. One word new to 800 555 7898.