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Dan Tyminski on Avicii, Kygo & the Story Behind “Hey Brother” · The Stephan Hogan Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I played most of my early life with a very high level of insecurity, probably based on that I was given probably more praise than my ability matched up to.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: So I always felt like I was told that I was better than I actually was, and I always felt like I was the worst one.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's the hidden that part is the You can I once be on your prize.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_02: You got heaven on your mind, but maybe it with different courts.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_02: Different courts.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't want to do anything ever again.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: I can't put it on vinyl.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_01: For that matter, for that matter, I want to continue doing live stuff.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm seeing such a beauty in it, even more than I have in my past.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like live recordings?
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_01: Live recordings.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: Just that, you know, we live in a funny world of AI where you don't know what's real, you don't know what's not.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then when I started really evaluating even my career of recording, you know, I mean, it's it's all been real, obviously, but you know, sometimes if you take a hundred passes at something, well, you know, you better have something good.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: Is that really what you would are you really getting the full emotion?
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: You're getting a piecemealed version of, you know, yes, you try to do it over and over again until you get your best performance, but you can take it to the point where it's you know it's too far, and you, you know, you've sung things way too many times or you've played a lick way too many times.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_01: I can remember sessions of the past where I spent like days trying to get a certain solo or a piece of a song, a piece of a song.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how much worse is that than AI.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's the same, it's the same thing.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's still not necessarily the truth if you're really a purist.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_01: And when you're playing live music and it's you know 100% what went what you're listening to is what went down.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's what they played in that moment in time.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like you've actually captured a little more something a little more beautiful.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_04: There's something exciting about a live record.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_04: Because your last one was at the Ryman, right?
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: The last one was at the Ryman, and I plan on doing the next one, uh, you know, and and I've been thinking about it a lot, and there's not really a another place that's esteemed like the Ryman to follow it up at.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna play a place that no one's I'm not gonna announce it yet, but it's someplace no one's ever heard of.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, place that uh I think will really suit a live recording, and we'll try to put a new place on the map.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: That'll be fun.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: I can't wait.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I it's have you been writing for it?
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_01: I have a pretty deep catalog of stuff that I, you know, that I've gone through.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't written specifically for it, no, but I have a bunch of stuff that I'm anxious to, you know, a bunch of new songs to to play for it.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like you can do covers in bluegrass more so too.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think people demand something they recognize more.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's one of the beauties of bluegrass music is as soon as you play something that someone has already an attachment to, it's hard to put a new song on someone.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: There's so much music out there, really, and bluegrass music particularly that just has that I don't know, you want to you want to hear something familiar.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: And when you do, it strikes a chord.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: So people definitely get into it more when they feel like they hold a little piece of whatever you're playing in them already.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_04: I was listening to this bluegrass band the other night at the country politics.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_04: It's this hotel downtown.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_04: They have a bluegrass band on Friday nights, and uh it's a bunch of like young kids, but they are all just great pickers, you know.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_04: And it's inspiring.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_04: There's lots of them.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_04: There's so many, and I'm just like, you probably work at Starbucks, and you probably you know, you can just tell which is a whole nother conversation, because uh bye.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_04: If you're leaving are you gonna be here downstairs?
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but um I I just kind of like, you know, they're just working their butts off, and that they spent all these, you know, this 10,000 hours on that craft just to play for tips or whatever.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_04: But the whole thing about they did a Tears for Fears song and some other covers, and I was just like, this is I just like hearing bluegrass anything, man.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, when you do like a I've uh there's a point in my show where I definitely have to do like a few covers just to satisfy myself.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I go back to the like here late the most recently, the bluegrass album band, like there's a recording from 1981, I think, that really set me on fire when I was a kid.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: And track number one, there's just such a landmark recording.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: So we do a version of it.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I usually announce that just what we used that bluegrass is the type of music where you know you get to play some of the other people's stuff, and right now it's time to pay a little tribute, you know, to the bluegrass album band.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: And as soon as we kick that song off, man, people that know that stuff start screaming.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's yeah, it's it's more than welcome, you know, like people kind of hungry for that stuff.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, dude.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_04: I uh uh so interesting since we last spoke, my I've been playing your music for my son and you are his uh favorite singer.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_04: He's three three years, five months.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_04: And anything you sing, he likes, which is interesting because he's extremely picky about music, and for some reason, like I did, maybe it's genetic, connected with your voice at an early age.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: I I do I will say that I resonate with kids uh just on a just on a just a basic level, basic human level.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: So like kids typically take to me like, and it is I've seen I cannot attribute it to anything.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_01: I have no no understanding or reason for it, but yeah, like even I go back to Man of Constant Sorrow for some reason, like three and four and five-year-old kids, it spoke to them for some reason.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know how to explain it, but um, I do think that I resonate with kids.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I love kids, and it's it's I don't know, so uh some people either do or don't.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard to explain who kind of vibrates together and who doesn't, you know, but I definitely see that and and it makes me hap so happy to think that I could make you know kids happy.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it's just interesting because I think about having grown up in California playing, but not having the pickers like you have out here that you can like, you know, I'm uh I'm not growing up where I lived in a bluegrass community or where that music was even a part of the the culture in where my little hometown there wasn't a lot of bluegrass bands, if any.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_04: I can't think of one.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_04: Sure or like instructors that could teach, like picking, chicken picking, even couldn't find a country guitar teacher growing up.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so that's just the reality.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_04: But now that it's like I'm I'm raising him here, we're 30 minutes from Kentucky, you know, and all these pickers.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_04: So as he hears your voice and he likes your music, it's kind of getting me stoked because every time we listen to Hey Brother, we listen to your version, and he really likes that song.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_04: And uh so it's cool that he likes bluegrass, and now he says, I like bluegrass, I like jazz, which I love.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's the most it's the most amazing thing ever.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, just as human beings, we just we need the music so much, more than I think we even can acknowledge and really understand.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: It it it feeds us somehow.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_01: This I know.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_04: So, how do you feel about the release of Heaven on Your Mind with Kaigo, which it's you also are a writer on?
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm not I'm I'm not a writer on.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: I am I am uh listed as the artist on it, but no, I didn't, I'm not a part of the writer of Heaven.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: I wish I was, you know, I wish I could have been in that circle.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: Cat GPT told me you were.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I wish I could have been a part of that circle when it was going down.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's uh I did get to to meet one of the writers and of course Kaigo and perform it with Kaigo and do, you know, at the Palm uh Yeah, we went out to the Palms Festival in the Hamptons.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_04: And then you did Hey Brother right after.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: We did them both together because you know that was that song was written as kind of an homage to to Tim Burgling.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, I mean it was definitely written with Hey Brother, you know, on your mind and Heaven on your, you know, Heaven on Your Mind.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: The whole the whole song, there's there's an attachment there.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so yeah, when he asked if I would do Hey Brother right after it, of course, what you know, and you could like it's it's funny because I'm not used to seeing a big crowd of such young people like that, and all the phones are up.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_01: But when we went into Hey Brother, it was it was like I was it was like I was looking into like a a solar, you know, panel, like every phone in the place was up.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was amazing to see the reaction, you know, still years and years later.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I would have never dreamed EDM would have ever been something that that fit my voice, but it's somehow it somehow translates, yeah.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's like that bluegrass voice over something about the high energy, yeah.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think the high energy you know they resonate with each other for sure, and bluegrass has a lot of that powerful, high energy, right, forceful type of thing.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I think the EDM music requires at le at least that as an ingredient.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 9:52
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• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's a beautiful song.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you again, I've been offered so many songs since uh Hey Brother.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like I did Hey Brother, and kind of this EDM world opened up, and then I got I got a lot of a lot of reach outs to do stuff, which never made sense.
• 11:34
  unknown: Right.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: So I didn't this songs weren't right.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: It I didn't want to do another EDM song just for the sake of doing something in EDM.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's not who I am.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, when the song suits me and then the situation suits me, it's it's like a no-brainer.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: It kind of sells itself.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: And Heaven on Your Mind was one of those songs.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was, you know, it was beautiful when it came to me.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: I just it it just kind of made sense.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: And it had that same type of energy, and I and I wanted to give it a shot.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: And uh again, no lies here.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: I I called my daughter, the same thing I did for for Hey Brother, and said, What do you think about this song?
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, let her hear the demo of the song.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: And she was like, How could you not want to do this song?
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: She was great, which you know, I already thought it was great by that time.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because wasn't your daughter a huge Avici fan?
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: She is the really the reason I did the song.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: I I had my first response was no thank you.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: When I asked to hey brother, when my assistant asked if I wanted to do a song for you know this guy in EDM world.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: First of all, I I asked what EDM even was.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: I was so ignorant.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know what EDM was an acronym for, and she didn't say what it was.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: She just paused and went, still vague.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I right, she did that and I laughed and I said, Oh my gosh.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: I said, No, thank you.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: And she said, Do you want to hear the song before we give an official no thank you?
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and I thought that was wise.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: So I said, sure, send me the song.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: And that's when I texted my daughter because I knew she listened to everyone.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: I knew she would know who it was.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: I asked her, Do you have you heard of this guy, Avici?
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: And she responded immediately, said, Swedish DJ, he's a genius.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_01: He's my favorite artist.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_01: Why?
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_01: And now I'm so excited because you know, like she's all into it.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, He wants me to do a song as next record.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I see the text bubbles come up, and she responded with one word.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: Bullshit.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: She thought she was being punked.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_01: She was such a, I didn't realize she was such a super fan, right?
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: That this just happened to hit her wheelhouse, right?
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: And then the phone rang and it was her, and she was like, Dad, it's not even funny.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: She goes, whatever, you know, she goes, whatever type of joke this is, I'm not in a place.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: She said, If the if you are punking me, she I I remember her saying, if you are punking me, she said, I'm not in a good place right now.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even think I could absorb this.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: She goes, Don't, don't play with me.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_01: And when I convinced her that it was real, I said, I haven't heard the song yet.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I'm gonna like it.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: She said, Dad, if this is real, she goes, I don't care if you hate the song, I don't care if it sucks, you're doing it.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: She was like adamant.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: She was like, do it.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care what the song is.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: She literally, those were her words.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, then of course I listened to the song and I love the song.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it just made total sense to me after I heard what the song was.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: I called my assistant and said, Listen, I said, I I don't know if anyone's ever gonna hear this.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Who, you know, doesn't matter.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: I said it's gonna make one teenage girl really happy.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, Let's do it.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I ended up doing the song again before I ever got to hear what any of the tracks were.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: I sang that song to a click track and a piano note.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: He hit a G note on the piano, hmm, and I had a little click going tick tock tick tuk, and I just sang it.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: And sent it.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: Did it have the changes in it, the chord changes?
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I had heard the demo, so I had a I had a ver I just sang it like it would be okay.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like it would be, didn't need to chord changes on the piano because everything sang.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: I just sang it like the melody of the song, sent him a vocal, and then when I heard it back, I was first of all blown away.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: I had no idea it was going to be such a big production, like such, you know, right?
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know what to expect.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, like a month later after that, it was number one in 16 countries at the same time.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like uh my phone was blowing up.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: It was, and my name wasn't even on it.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: And my phone was blown up.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: The first call I got was by a buddy who said, Hey man, you're getting ripped off.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: I said, What?
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: He said, Man, someone's on the radio and they're doing a song and they've like somehow generated your voice or something.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: He said, But as they're trying to copy you, it's a hundred percent copy of Dan Teminsky.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd laughed.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Is it hey, brother?
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_01: He said, Yeah, that's it.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: I said, That's me.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: He says, No, it ain't.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Yes, it is.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: He said, Your name ain't on it.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: He said, I looked everywhere.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Well, you know, I was work for hired.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's like any like a harmonica player would have been, whatever.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, everyone was on that record.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, no one ever knew, you know, it would be such a big deal.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that was one.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: Boy, I wish I was a writer on that one.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's I think this last I looked, it was closing in on a billion and a half streams on Spotify.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: So it's just Spotify alone.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: Spotify alone.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's just insane numbers for for a song in this day and age.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's it's fun to see Heaven on Your Mind go out and, you know, I mean, I'm not I'm not looking to try to do anything like hey brother did, but I mean the initial numbers when it came out, same thing.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: It like it blew up on Spotify, like it was big enough, same thing.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: My phone started blowing up, you know.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: People are like, You're doing EDM again.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, what that's I did a song, you know.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_04: I like that you don't just do them if you get the offer, even if there's good money involved.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_04: Because I'd imagine there's a like people would offer money for you to sing on a track, etc.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: It has to make sense, like it has to be something that you I'm out there, you know, living it.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: I have to be responsible for everything I've done or everything that I'm saying, or everything that I'm not saying, if it happens to be a song that is just doing a song for the sake of putting a voice, you know, like it would be nice to think at this stage that that all the songs are done for a reason.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: Have you always carried that principle?
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: I've never picked my own songs.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: I've never been of I've never been my own filter.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: I have been three different bands version of Dan Teminsky.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: I, you know, if you look in the first band I was in, Lonesome River Band.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the first band was a band with my brother, which I really made no calls.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: I just wanted to play, and you know, it was just it was fun.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: I did, you know, I was I was a kid just having fun playing.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: But the first band I joined as an adult, I was their version of who they wanted to, you know, me to be.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: They picked the songs, they picked the keys.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: They liked that I sang if that I could reach the higher parts, so I sang stuff way higher than I would have ever done for myself.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_01: I was the Lonesome River Band's version of Dan Teminsky.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: I then joined Dallas and Krause.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: And pretty much the same thing, although it really did suit me, it turns out.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, she had a very good ear for stuff that worked for me.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: I was still uh, you know, Akis's version of Dan Teminsky.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the songs that I did weren't necessarily songs that I would have ever picked for myself.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: I did songs that, you know, she wanted me to do.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I had a say-so in whether I, you know, ultimately did the song or not, but the reality is they picked this, you know, she picked the songs and she had such a good ear for it.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: I was totally happy letting someone else pick the songs and just playing the role.
• 18:08
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• 18:14
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• 18:18
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• 18:49
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• 18:55
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• 18:58
  SPEAKER_04: So first decide what the right move is for your career, then figure out how to fund it.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: And then now with my own band, I'm it's a it's a completely different filter.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: Now I'm doing it for myself and I'm getting to sing all the stuff that I wrote, you know, everything that really does kind of lift a veil on me and my life and my experiences.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just I I get to do so much more in this version of, you know, now I'm my own version of myself.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you just fun to it's fun to steer, but it comes with a responsibility.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: I can't just play every song I hear.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: Now I want to play songs that make sense for me.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_04: Something that I think is important that I hear when it comes to the music business is I'm my own version of myself.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_04: Because a lot of people that I talk to, someone will make them another version of who they are if they're not careful.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I run into this because I think there are a lot of people out there in the world that see me as a different version of who I am than who I actually am.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: People have a picture of who they think Dan Teminsky is because they have seen me, they've they they know me as Allison's version, you know.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: They they know very clean-cut, short-haired, you know, all always in the you know, very shy, didn't really have a lot to say, didn't really want to say a lot.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: I just wanted to do my job and and go home and have my private life, right?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm a different, I'm a different guy than that.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I sp I I go out after every show and I talk to the people and I mingle and I and I'm much looser on stage.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't go on stage with a set list.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: I I go on stage, I mean I know I always know the first two or three songs, and then I look at the crowd and try to imagine what what does this crowd want to hear?
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_01: Because I don't think they all want to hear the same thing.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: You can typically read them.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: So I have enough songs.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: I I I'm a way different version of Dan than than I've been in the past.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_04: What would your advice be to the younger person that's in Nashville that's trying to find their way?
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_04: And a lot of times in the label situation, labels will a massage an image or a brand.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_04: And I think you said it well when you said people have this ver idea of me, of who I am, from doing the stuff with Allison Crafts and Union Station, and then now you get to be yourself and do your own thing, and I think that some people can lose themselves in that.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_04: And uh Charlie Warsham told me, he said, be careful some basically I'm gonna butcher it, but he said be careful who or be careful who you decide to present yourself to be, like who you're showing the world, because if you don't like that person that you put out, somebody else might make it for you.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think you have to I think you have to have an awareness, right?
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: The more awareness you have, especially if you're dealing with a record label or you're trying to put yourself out there on a large scale, it's really helpful to have an awareness of what the record labels are.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Sees you as.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: Don't fool yourself into have your own image of who you think you are and not have it line up with who they think you are.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it can be successful if you understand the role that you're about to go in and play because you're definitely playing a role.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: Even if it's your own, you're still playing a role, right?
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: And if a record label has a certain vision and they can see it working under these guidelines, under this role, the more aware you are of that, I think the better chance you have, assuming you're willing to concede and say, Yeah, that role works for me.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm willing to step into that, that shoe, those shoes, that persona, and play this role.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's I think it's mostly being aware because I think some people could get in trouble if they find themselves in that role they weren't quite aware that was the role they were going to have to play.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: And now all of a sudden they feel like they've lost individuality.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: They feel like they've lost a piece of themselves.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's the first question you have to answer for yourself as an artist.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's number one.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: Who am I willing, you know, who am I willing to be?
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: What do I actually want to stand for?
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like who am I as what do I have to offer?
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because people, they grow up playing, they grow up learning how to play, they grow up learning how to sing, and then they forget that presenting it is a completely different skill set.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's no longer whether or not you can play or whether or not you can sing.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: You can be the best player and the best singer and turn an audience completely off.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: You can be a mediocre player and mediocre singer, and you can win a crowd, you can have them lifting you up.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: Presentation is what you have to be aware of.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: If you're going to take a big deal and you're going to say, now I'm going to do this, you have to now decide this is the skill set that I'm going to embrace and try to develop.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's a different skill set.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_04: It's interesting.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_04: And you have to be a marketer.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_04: You're almost like flipping a switch into marketing too, because that's the branding and marketing and some people like to draw a line.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: And when they're, you know, I heard Dolly Pardon say, you know, when she goes out into public, when she leaves her house, she said she doesn't walk out of her front door without making sure she's made up and ready to go because she said, I'm an old show pony.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: She said, when people see me, they expect a certain thing, and I'm going to give them what they like.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: She was always on.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: If she was out in public, she was she was the personality, Dolly.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: But if she was behind the closed doors of her house, you know, you you would know maybe a different person.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: Some people draw a very clear line like that.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Some people just kind of like people and they can be themselves everywhere they are, and it's pretty easy for them, right?
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of like people.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I've I heard, I think I heard Vince Gill say this back.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: It was easier for him just because he kind of liked people in general.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was always kind of fun to go out and meet the new people and do the like it was just it's and now I know people on the other side of that coin that are uncomfortable around people.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: They're not quick to make friends, they're not quick to, you know, to get into conversation.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: And it's it's harder for those people.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: Again, traveling and presenting your music is a whole different ball of wax than than learning it.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_04: How do you feel like your fan base has been growing as you've gone out and talked to people after and really connected?
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_04: Because there's a band, American Aquarium, and this guy, BJ Barum, and we were talking about tour buses, and that you got a bus, and congratulations.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_04: But they have a bus as well, and they've done it the grassroots way, kind of like you're doing with your career now, um, as a solo artist, Dan Taminsky.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_04: And so he says he goes out after every show, just like you said, and he'll sign whatever until the last person.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_04: And so that's his way of building fans, forever fans.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly I I just I think it's so important.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I want to build Forever fans as well.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, for sure.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: I I want that, but I I I want more than that.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: I want, I want people to feel like they left with an experience they couldn't get anywhere else.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, even if they even if they become fans of someone else, I want them to know there's someone else, there's someone willing to give that because they love it, you know, they they love the people that much.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's it's the whole, it's the whole it's just the whole thought of it.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: People coming out to experience live music and banding together and and collectively, you know, enjoying something together.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like just as human beings, I think we need that.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's so beautiful.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'll uh as long as I am able to play sizes that allow me to do that.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you know, the ultimate dream, I guess, would be to to to have crowds that are just so big.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: There's no physical way to do that, right?
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I I'll always do as much as I can possibly do.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: And at this point, the feedback that I get from the people, oh man, I I couldn't I couldn't trade it for anything.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: I think it is the one of the most valuable things that I do when I go out and play.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I want people to leave happier than they showed up.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: I want them to leave there and tell other people about it.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that helps.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_04: You are on the stage, and your job's to entertain and to impact people with your music.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_04: How much do they impact you versus you impacting them?
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_04: And is it even more so sometimes the person that you talk to that might have a story to tell you, and you're like, man, tonight that blessed me more than my music?
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: They're there, it's it's amazing the rainbow of people that you meet, you know, out there in in the life and the connection you've had with people that you had no idea, or or what you've meant to someone that you just have no idea, or they'll tell you a story that is your story they're telling back to you.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like you, yeah, we're connected to a lot more people than we might realize we are when you get out there in the world and you start really talking to a lot of people.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: And it it's What's one of the coolest stories?
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_04: One that you like, or one that touched you.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: Man, I mean, to I I get a lot of them.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's a lot of people that have lost loved ones and that have lost them in the presence of my music, or that have said this was the song that they requested, you know, right up until we watched them go, like they they said they literally played your song as they went to sleep, like stuff like that.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: You can't, I I don't even know how to quantify that in my life.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's just something I I I think back and think it's you know, I I don't claim to have understood for a lifetime why I do what I do or, you know, what it impacts out here in the world.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: But I do know what my, you know, as as I grow into a performer, what my intention is, and it is to put as much positive energy back into this universe and this world that I can through what my gifts are.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, you get to see you get to see glimpses of where you get to connect with people and affect people.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, it humbles you and it and it makes you, you know, it strengthens you in a way because you know you're out there doing the right thing.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_04: I love that, man.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like more people should do that.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_04: And I don't know if it's an ego thing, I don't know if it's a save your voice thing, and I try not to judge, but I always think about how many missed opportunities there are uh out there.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's probably would be the the the biggest motivator for anyone that might not be doing it is if they really consider what not only they're missing, but what other people could be missing that they could so easily give them.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's just it's really not a chore, right?
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's I mean, to to spend, I mean, for me it takes it takes between my typical night is between 30 minutes and an hour and a half after the show.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm up there playing for an hour and a half, I've got an hour and a half worth of adrenaline left in me anyway, man.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not, you know, I can't just turn it off.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: So that hour and a half, there's there's more value in that that if people thought, holy cow, I could be missing a lot.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: Or someone else could be missing a lot.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think more people would do it.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_01: I can't, you know, I don't judge and I don't blame other people because again, it's something you have to be comfortable with.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you have to be, you know, I mean, some people just they're not communicators.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: They're not comfortable in that role.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: Some people they're awesome at playing music and they're and they can go and do that and they they might be they might be better off not doing it.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying it's something everyone should do.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't judge anyone like that, but yeah, if you can, it's an opportunity.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_04: Did you used to be more of an introvert when you were doing the Allison Crest stuff?
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_04: Because I was you came across that way, like you said.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: It took me a long time before I could look up, you know, people even in the eye.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was it was not, I was, yeah, I was not Was it anxiety?
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: I it was insecurity.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: It was just insecurity.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: It was wondering if I was good enough, if I if I played good enough, if I looked good enough, if I acted well enough, if I like it was just it was probably just basic insecurity.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I think you you eventually grow up and become secure in that, man, I am who I am, and everybody's you know, they just show me someone who's not flawed.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: I might have more than most, but it for whatever reason just bothers me less and less that people see them.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: And it's made it easier for me to communicate, to talk to people, to not worry about what type of conversations I have with people, because you know, some people will come up and immediately within 10 seconds they get real deep and they'll get real spiritual or they'll talk about their lost loved ones or how they you know they lost their child and they'll want to show you pictures of, you know, someone, you know.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: I've had people at my show said, you know, I lost, I lost my my son, you know, the night before last.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: And they take out pictures to show you the their loved one.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: And they said, I had to come tonight.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: They said, because he wanted to, you know, he we were coming together and he would have wanted me to be here, you know.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: And you just want to start crying for these pe you know, like for situations like that.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't I don't see it like that, man.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's I I it's again, it's one more opportunity to to leave some positive energy in someone's life that you know, in a way that means something to them.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have to understand it, you know, but I have to be willing to do my part.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and listen, be there, give them a hug, take a picture.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 100%.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_04: Um You told me I don't know if we were recording or not, about the you'd see your mama every year and you'd put on five pounds.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um five pounds a year for life.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, now you're skinny as a stick, but uh and healthy.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_04: Dude, um, but here's a question, man.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_04: So I'll speak for myself, because I think a lot of people have this, but I grew up in a situation where I was always praised for my performance.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_04: I was also told I was also told like, oh, genetically you're always gonna look a certain way, you're not gonna be able to change your body.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_04: Like, Hogan's don't have six packs.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_04: I remember my dad saying that.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_04: And I don't know if there was a lot of knowledge on health and fitness back when in the 90s or whatever, but I grew up with these insecurities like being at the baseball pool party with my shirt off and feeling chubby.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: Or having describing my life, yeah.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, dude.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_04: And and like as a picker, every time you're playing on stage, all you're thinking about the whole time is this inner dialogue that's like a Rolling Stone critic writing about Yeah, am I good enough?
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_04: So you're like negative core belief is am I good enough and fear of failure?
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_04: And those are mine.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_04: And I find them in a lot of artists that drive you to be successful to the point where it's a blessing because it makes you great, but it's also a curse because it is the thing that it haunts you and takes away the joy from the very thing that you pursued in the first place because you loved it.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I played most of my early life with a very high level of insecurity, probably based on that I was given probably more praise than my ability matched up to.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I always felt like I was told that I was better than I actually was, and I always felt like I was the worst one.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: So like in my mind, I wasn't anywhere near where I was like I was so OCD, like trying, you know, trying to get there, and and in my mind I really couldn't I could barely play anything, and then I had people telling me that I could play everything, and no, you know, you're just the best and you're you're gifted and you're uh you know, I I had I had so much goofy praise, you know, as a kid as in the music in the realms of music that I never felt adequate.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I didn't feel adequate until I came to the realization that I didn't have to be perfect and that the flaws that's what makes you you, and all of a sudden, you know, I saw a beauty that I was always, you know, that was always hidden from me because I was so worried about making a mistake.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_04: So how can we get in that mindset?
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_04: Like if we could go back because one of the things I love is mentorship and talking with people that have gone down the road.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_04: And there's a quote that I like that says the best person to ask about the journey is the person coming back.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_04: And so I think it's cool to be able to talk to you and and kind of just out of curiosity wonder what you would say to your younger self in order to let them have some kind of relief from feeling the need to be perfect or perfection.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'd say let go, man.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I tell my younger self to let go.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: Stop worrying so much that there are eyes on you.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just accept, yes, there are eyes on you.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: It okay, there are.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_01: But they don't want to see an insecure version of yourself that's afraid to actually let your individuality shine.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, your everyone has their own spark.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: Find a way to let that spark out, man, and let it shine.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's uh I I would I would have been much freer with with my playing, with my my words, with just with my smiles on stage, with my ability to just be happy in the moment instead of so scared that I wasn't doing my job as well as I could have been.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, watching you in live performances and just seeing you play and smile and interact with your band, and you're a different person than those old performance.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_04: I love the process more.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: I love the process more now just because I feel different in the process.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's what again, let's look back.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: If if you're someone else's version of you, you have a at least I do, I had a vision of guidelines.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like I have to be this.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's it was, you know, I felt like I'll I'll I'll use the Allison Krause and a Union Station example.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, a very high-level band.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you know a lot of eyes are on you.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: The you know, I've always been really concerned on not step, you know, not doing the wrong thing.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I just want everything to be cool at all times.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I just I don't want to be the reason something is wrong.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: If I see a hole, I uh my job has always been like whatever the hole is, fill that hole.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: Just make things right, whatever it is.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_04: But you're gonna play for the president, but fill the hole.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: But you're gonna but you're great, you're gonna you're gonna play for the so what do you do?
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: You try to be the absolute best version of yourself, what it is.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: Now, at the time, I don't think I did a thing wrong.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: I was.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: I was trying to be the absolute best version of myself.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: I just didn't have the knowledge I have now of what the best version is.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I would have said, my that's back to the advice to the younger Dan, I would have said, let go and realize that your best version isn't the one who's afraid of taking a risk.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: Your best version is the person who acts on your impulses and and shows your your uniqueness, right?
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: And in what you do.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: And if you really believe in something that you say what you believe in rather than to just let it pass by and say, you know, this isn't my job to speak up right now.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: That was me mostly.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: I just, you know, I decided what I was and I've and I lived under the the guise I said I'm the I'm trying to be the consummate side man to make sure that I everything like I show up on time, I know what my job is, I'm rehearsed, I knew right.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: I was so worried on doing my job, you know, I forgot that I I also had an opinion, right?
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I really didn't share that opinion like I could have throughout my life with any bands, with the Lonesome River band.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: With I mean, I was so happy to be with Allison and Union Station, like it was such it was like a lottery-winning job.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: It was just such a big deal to be there.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I was so happy to have someone else to make decisions.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: I felt like that was my that was my gig.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, I'm I'm a I'm a different person now than I was when I was in that band.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I the thought of when we were going back and I, you know, and I worked on this next record and it rolled over and over in my mind, you know, what it was gonna be like, you know, to go back and to, you know, and to and to play our set, which it's it's one set.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: Not that it's a bad thing, it's just but it's one set.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: I know what the first song is, I know what the fifth song is, and you know, like you we got into a groove, we played our show, that was our show for one or two years or however long we toured with a certain project.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: And it made me feel like I was dying.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how else to say like it was the the thought of having to jump back into the to what I felt like now, what I feel like now was a costume because what was I gonna do?
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, jump back in and wear sandals on stage and let my hair go and you know, and be a different you know, if I'm in Union Station, I'm in Union State, right?
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: There's I see it as a role.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't want to do that role anymore.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: I was it was, you know, and it was and it really made itself known in the process of recording it, you know, after doing, I think probably the 75th track of a vocal on a song.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I just thought to myself, I can do it 175 times.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_01: Who can you know?
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even care after the maybe the second or third.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_04: The word country politicin comes from a real era in country music.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_04: When Nashville took country music and made it elegant, strings, background vocals, orchestra.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_04: It was country music with polish.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_04: Think Patsy Klein, Glenn Campbell, Tammy Wynette, George Jones, Charlie Pride.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_04: Songs that still had the ache and honesty of country, but dressed up with style.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_04: And that is exactly what this hotel feels like.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_04: The kind of place where every detail's been thought through.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_04: The scent when you walk in, the music, the clothes they carry, the textures, the rooms, the coffee cups, the way everything feels curated without feeling fake.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_04: So you feel the history immediately, but unlike staying right in the middle of Broadway, it feels tucked away, it feels calm, it feels like you found something.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_04: That's honestly why I love it.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_04: It's where I go when I want to get away, think, slow down, have a restful time without technology.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_04: And when you're ready, the Ryman and Broadway are about a four-minute walk.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_04: The CountryPolitan Hotel.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: Stay in the story.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_01: We had uh a good recording budget and we had the ability to do stuff over and over again until we got our best performance.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that we were really good at capturing the the best of our essence.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think that was one of Krause's talents, that she knew what the best of our essence felt like and was relentless and not wanting to stop until we really got what was what she felt was the best we could be represented in a recording.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: And it's it was amazing to have that type of freedom, you know.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: But in my world now, I mean, I could never spend the type of money on a recording to really even approach it that way, right?
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: So anything that I do, like in any studio, still I'm I'm gonna sing it maybe three or four times and we're gonna we're gonna say this, you know, we've we've got it or we don't.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if I don't, I could come back later, but I'm not gonna I I don't think I'll ever again stand and sing a song, you know, a hundred times trying to, you know, get each syllable to be exactly perfect.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the essence of what of it's not what I feel, at least anymore in my life.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: The the thought of the thought of the subtle flaws that are included in a live performance, man, they're more beautiful than the that mathematical perfection of making everything exactly the same distance apart and you know, the same tuning apart and everything, you know, to have everything so shaped and yeah, I just I don't know, live music just stimulates me in a much bigger way.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_01: I look back at my favorite live, my favorite records, my the recordings that I really did put on over and over again, they were live recordings, a lot of them.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the reason I'm a seldom seen fan was live at the cellar door.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the best, I mean, the most of JD Crow and the New South I ever listened to is that greatest show on earth.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like there was something about the live recording they did that trumped everything else.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I go back even to the all-time great of greats, 004, the record that kind of got so many people into bluegrass music.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, it's a studio record, but those guys sat in a circle and they played it live, man.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: They did it one time and there was the recording.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it still has that live energy.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's not massaged to death.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: And there's just uh I'm I'm I'm seeking that out more than than I ever have before.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think people are seeking it out in people and in music.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_01: Definitely.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I in people particularly.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: I do.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: I think you look and you you you everyone wants something genuine.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: People know real.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_04: Here's something I'm struggling with, man.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_04: You said something about being your authentic self, and I feel like on um This is interesting.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_04: But on social media, I feel like I have to be it's it's it's social media.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_04: So if you take out the social part, it's media.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_04: But it's also the social part meant to connect people.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_04: But I feel like for me, and I was thinking about this the other night, because I was in a headspace where I was like, man, I would just love for someone else to know what I was feeling right now.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_04: But then in my mind, I was thinking, well, your reputation, your sponsors, you're representing them, this, that, and the other thing.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_04: And then all of a sudden I felt like the very thing that I've created to be able to be honest and have these conversations is now I'm I'm handcuffed because your own little client bottle.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I'm saying?
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_01: Your own little client bottle.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's uh it's weird.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: It folds back in on itself.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's um I I I understand that.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you have to have a filter.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: There's discretion.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_01: You you have you have a responsibility.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: The more eyes you have on you, the more responsibility you have, right?
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I have found ways to let my to let a lot of myself out, but that doesn't mean that I live without a filter or that I perform without a filter.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because you still have to be aware that, you know, like my filter for me is is anything that I'm saying or doing going to affect someone positively or negatively?
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty much the only question I ask myself.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: If it comes right down to something I'm about to say and I have to run it through my mind, like, do I want to say this thing?
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: Can I spin it in a positive way?
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: If I can, I no longer feel any fear in sharing what I think has a positive, underlying positive tone to it, right?
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: Positive, yeah.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: Now, if it comes to saying something that I'm really unhappy with or that is a negative, I see something as negative, particularly because of, you know, things that have happened situationally and you know, that things that I have a negative bias towards.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_01: I simply don't allow myself to say those things.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's just my if I have a negative bias towards something, that's that's forbidden from my lips.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_01: I have no room for that in my life.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: There's there's enough negative in this world, but there's enough negative in the just like there's enough positive left over to just sweep past any negative things, right?
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: And just go to the things that you think are will have the the positive effect, and you know why you're doing what you do.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: You have you get to touch people, right?
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: So being aware that you might not be able to say everything that you want to say, yeah, that's healthy, man.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_04: And I think I think the great performers and uh what was the show?
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_04: Who was the great um Ed Sullivan?
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_04: Was it him that had the tonight show?
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: Johnny Carson, Johnny Carson.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_04: Ed Sullivan.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_04: Johnny Carson, yeah.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_04: One of those guys talk had a great description as to why he never got into politics in his show.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_04: And I should insert the little quote here during the podcast.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_04: That little part, I should put the video here.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_04: So check it out.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_04: Alright, we're back.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_04: But um it's really cool to hear how he describes it because they tried to corner him in that.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_04: And he basically it George Strait did a good job, I think, in his career of just staying out of the you know, I'm not gonna get into anything other than I'm here to play music and it unites us, kind of a thing.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, everyone has a everyone has a purpose, like everyone has a reason they do what they do.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, some you know, some people can find themselves on that platform and realize they have a power there to really start, you know, sharing their whether it be political beliefs or religious beliefs or or world beliefs or whatever, you know, whatever.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's where I think you have to exercise caution and and and really and and really make a decision of of where you want to go there.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: Because I've made it a point at some of my shows even to say, here's the I have one mission here.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: That is to that is for to celebrate the playing and the making of bluegrass music right in front of your eyes.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's nothing past I'm not trying to say, I'm not trying to, you know, get people off of sugar, or I'm not trying to get people, you know, to to to believe in anything or to not believe in anything, right?
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's a celebration.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_01: I want them to understand that that's uh that's for me.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_01: I know other people that work religion into their shows, and it it might it might work for them.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's you know, it doesn't work for me, you know.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: Other people work politics into their shows, and that really doesn't work for me, you know, but it works it works for them.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_04: If you want to lose half of your fans, yeah, man, yeah, right.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_04: There's it's so funny because I I go to Starbucks a bit and I know the breast is there and I like to go work there.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_04: It's like my little family, my little Starbucks family in my the town, and uh they're sweet, but you know, you get to talking to strangers just like you do after your show.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_04: And I it's I'm never thinking like, what are their political beliefs?
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_04: Or like what are their religious beliefs?
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_04: And everybody's so nice for the most part, just human beings in general.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_04: The majority of people I meet and talk to are really sweet and really kind.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_04: They all want the same thing, they want to be loved, they want a good meal, they want their family to be healthy, they want to be healthy.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_04: Like there's these basic things that connect all of us, and then I feel like the media just screws it up for everybody, and we should all just stay away from the news.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: No, it would be so I mean, you know, it it is, it's it's it's funny to say, you know, that on something that we're you know that we're putting out as a form of social media that it is it is a cancer.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_01: You know, because there's there's and again, it it is a cancer, I think, because of the percentage of, again, negativity that is searchable and findable.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_04: If and and algorithmic and echo changing.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_01: Well, oh yeah.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_01: Once you watch some, you know, once you watch somebody, you know, karmically beating someone up, right?
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: Then then what floods into your right.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's just it is.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's uh it's extremely dangerous as I see it.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_01: And again, if you could find a way to weigh just, you know, if I I don't think that's it's doable, but if you could find a way to weed out what brings negative emotion versus what builds positive emotion, I mean you could make all of Instagram just, you know, like, you know, like interspecies relationships, you know, right?
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like where, you know, like where the squirrel falls in love with the chicken and they just and they live together and they're so happy.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like everything that makes you smile, right?
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: There could be a lot of posity or like I st I still seek out.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, my algorithm actually brings a lot of stuff into my feed where it just makes me want to cry, you know, like people doing good deeds or like saving the the trapped animal or doing, you know, like there is so much good out there if you search good, but that's not what we feed on as people.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: Searching out good isn't the norm, right?
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: It can be, right?
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's a conscious decision.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_01: You can search out a lot of good and change your own algorithm if you start only asking yourself this one question on if you're gonna do a search, is it something positive or is it something negative?
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: Is you know, is it gonna breed love or is it gonna breed negativity?
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: And if you just ask that one question and just only steer toward that love every time, your whole algorithm will change.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_01: You'll start just getting nothing but you know, stuff that might benefit you instead of stuff you know is going to bog you down.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, man.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: Change your algorithms.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'd like.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: Let's all change our algorithms because it's it's rough out there, man.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I know a lot of people, and I and everybody shares everything, you know, and you and it's I'm I'm embarrassed at what's out there.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's a scary world.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I try to stay off it as much as possible.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: Try to post and ghost.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: I that really is the I mean, that's the easiest way to not let it hurt you.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: Is yeah, there's always something.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_01: There is almost always something better to do.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_01: There really is.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_01: In your life, there's always something better to do than Death Scroll.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, dude.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_01: For me, it's reading.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_04: That's been the healthiest thing for me.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_01: It should be it should be for most.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I've I'm not a huge reader.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I can count the books I've read on my hands, right?
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_01: I don't read a lot of books.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_01: But I've benefited from the books I've read, and again, that's just well, first of all, I would have to read like in the middle of the day out in the sunshine, like in traffic.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_01: Because a half a page into anything I've ever read, I fall asleep.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like I can literally go right asleep.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_01: I have this.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_01: I used to sleep in school, but I did this in school lifetime from first grade all the way up.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: I just I my head went down, went to sleep every time I ever got into anything reading.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_01: And while I'm reading, I'm not thinking about what I'm reading.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_01: I have another conversation, a complete different subdialect going that I'm actually paying attention to as I'm reading.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then I'll realize a page or two in, oh geez, I wasn't paying attention to what I just read.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_01: I was thinking about this.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: Have to go.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, it's just, I don't know.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_01: Some people have developed that.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't develop the skill young enough or something.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_01: Somehow reading should have been bigger in my life earlier.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't see it as a deficit until way, way later in my life.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't discover till the last two years, maybe.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_01: And my kids all read.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like I'm, you know, my thankfully, my ex-wife was great.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, she was a huge reading advocate, and you know, my daughter, if you can believe this, I mean, through most of her life growing up, she read a book a night, a full book cover to cover, like you like, and as she got into older teenager years, complex books, complete books every night.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: What does she do now?
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_01: If you don't mind, she has three she has three children and she she works uh in a in a church and she's she lives in Louisville, Kentucky with her husband, who works in rehab, um, and she works at the church, and that she just she has uh she's my amaz she's the my most amazing story, you know, in life.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_01: She she went through a rough curve and ended up finding herself in rehab and uh is uh one of the positive statistics that turned her life around and has made me like the most proud pop you could ever be of of of you know what your life can be when you make some good decisions.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's a awesome.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she's she's she's amazing, has an amazing husband, amazing children, and uh yeah, I miss her every day, man.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: My little my little chickadee.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: She's not uh she's not close by anymore.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my little chicken.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_04: You said something to me, and uh it was I asked you about spending time with the kids when you were on the road, and this is something that I've thought about probably weekly since we did our last podcast.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know when it was, it was a long time ago, feels like, but you said it's not the amount of time that you spend, it's the quality of the time that you spend with your kids, and that's something that I've thought about so much because as I try to grow a podcast, I can find a lot of dad guilt when I'm working all the time.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, sure.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_04: And I know for you on the tour, you know, on tour, you're out touring, but you're like, there's the kids at home, and when you get home, maybe you struggle with the dad guilt.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what I know for sure is that the kids don't want to see a tired version of their dad guilt.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_01: Whether you're a someone who travels or whether you're a nine to five worker who is genuinely tired, they don't want to see dad have to come in and just be not have enough time for him.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you make that decision if you've had children, if you have children, yeah.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_01: When you walk through the door, the switch has to be on.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_01: There's always enough strength to turn that switch on when you walk through the door.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_01: You need to be on for your kids.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but you said that, and I thought it was so interesting because I was like, you could be a dad with at home all day long and be on your phone.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you I I see a lot of parents that are with their kids that aren't with their kids.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_01: I see kids, I see people in the grocery store with kids in their in their cart with an iPad, you know, playing a game while the parents shop.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_01: That is that is a I don't have I don't have strong enough words for how much this behavior bothers me.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_01: Because, first of all, that's the time you're with your child teaching them what nutrition is, why you buy food in the first place, what what food our bodies like, what foods our bodies hate, why we would never get this, why we will always get man, that's that's education time.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_01: And if you, I'm sorry, if you have the gall to stick your kid in a in a cart with an iPad, I'm calling all of you people out right now, man.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_01: Stop that behavior.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's horrible, bad behavior.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_01: Switch that behavior into connective time with your kids.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_01: This is time that you should be teaching them and loving them and building that bond, man.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_01: Not not drawing a line of separation between, man, there, you're you're oh my gosh, that one really gets me.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_01: There's just I've I've and where I live, it's a common, it's a common occurrence.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm not to the point where I'm ready to go and challenge people firsthand when I see it, but I do feel myself more strongly every time I see it, wanting to, you know, and just say, you know, hey, what if you did this instead of this, you know?
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_01: And but my fear is that, you know, you when someone's not ready for for information like that, they're just not gonna take it.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, hopefully situations like this get people thinking in that direction.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and and get them on the path to connection, you know.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_04: I saw uh I forget where it was, something the other day, and it was online, so it might not be true, but it was a ban for cell phones for kids under the age of 15.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_04: Y'all can look that one up.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_01: I know a lot of people who would who would be in favor of that.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_01: I know a lot of people would be in favor in that.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_01: I could see a I could see building a camp on either side of that fence.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like have a dumb phone.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, well, it's well, but it's but it's like anything.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's not the it's not the device itself, it's the misuse of the device.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_01: So it would just be the same thing.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like I wouldn't want to wait till my children were 15 years old to teach them how to use a gun.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_01: I want them to know gun safety and every I want them to know the the workings of things, why you would use something or not use something as soon as they're able to process it.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_01: And the same thing with the phone.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I didn't get my young kids phones, but my young kids knew how to use a phone and knew how to, you know, and when it was time for them to have one, we had a trust situation where, yeah, you have your phone, it's not to use the internet, it's not to do, you know.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_01: I know kids who've had phones and had restrictions, and I think it can be healthy.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's in the vast minority that it is.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think when a kid has a phone, it's too tempting, and boom, that's it, they're lost to the phone.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's just so easy.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_01: You really have to be careful.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_01: And if that's your case, then not having the phone is probably the answer.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'll vote on that.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, till you're 15.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_01: That that's great.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_01: Or maybe it was social media.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I'm down for that because you can do as much damage from 15 on.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_01: So if you wait till you're 15 and then you get it and you dive down the wrong wormhole, you're still in trouble.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's it's about it's about education and and yeah limits and and just you know, general understanding.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_01: Again, that's one of those lessons you could be teaching your kid while you're in the grocery store instead of them playing a game on their iPad.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_04: Dude, and for me too, like I think I was the generation that they got all the data off of, but uh, I think it was uh maybe a religious thing, and now it's just a scientific thing in terms of dopamine.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_04: But I was the generation where parents gave their kids a computer, and if you're a young boy with a computer and internet in your room and you stumble upon something, you're gonna continue to want to go stumble up, like look that thing up.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_04: And so pornography is one of those things where I am super passionate about for my son to protect him because the statistics show not only the dopamine side, but like how young most kids are exposed to that junk.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_04: 100% and it's so accessible in a heartbeat, just one it's a one search away on it on the thing in your pocket.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_04: And so that's where I'm also really, really passionate about it, too.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_04: Not just the pacification, but like what you're saying, the junk and the garbage out there.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_01: It definitely, I mean, you know, I was pre-generated, you know, I was just before that, but I did the same thing, you know.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_01: I was I was sat down in front of a television, and boom, there's where I sat with with the the heroin addiction face.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_01: You know, just with a dead face, just you know, staring at that TV screen for untold hours, you know.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_04: It's and it's a dopamine dump, and it and it the more I've learned about it, I read a I think the books called Dopamine Nation.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_04: It was a Stanford professor psychologist chick.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_04: She was talking about all these people with different addictions and stuff like that, and basically how to rid yourself and do dopamine resets to kind of get down to like baseline and like sure a lot of it is just cutting out the digital stuff, period.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, stopping.
• 1:01:44
  SPEAKER_04: And it's just interesting because there's always hope for people that are like addicted to stuff, but that was just a caveat.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 100%.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, I that's that I do believe I believe more than I believe that I'm sitting here right now.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_01: I have I have watched it in real life experience, and yeah, man, people that have found those types of problems, they just haven't found the right people to connect to to help them through that.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_01: There's there are ways out, you know.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_01: You first have to want, you first have to want it for yourself.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's some education that usually has to be involved, right?
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_01: But then it has to be people in your life.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_01: You have to have the right people around you, right?
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_01: And there's uh there's hope for every situation.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_01: I cannot you you cannot spell a situation that there's not hope for.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, one of the the quotes I heard was accountability without judgment.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if that's a thing.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, it's it's all a thing.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yes, there's again, you have to have accountability, right?
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_01: But let's I mean, I don't know, you know, how how deeply we want to dive into any one thing, you know, but judgment, you know, that's that's big.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you I mean, is it it's it's there for a reason, but again, like anything, just like the cell phone or anything, I mean, there's a there's a proper use, there's a proper amount of it, right, to be applied.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_01: And people usually take it too far because it's it's easy to want to feel on top, and judgment's one of those things you can easily use in way higher doses than it probably should be used in.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_01: So like anything, there's there's it's it's everything's created, I believe, for the good.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's only when we misuse something that it's bad.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, name anything.
• 1:03:25
  SPEAKER_01: There's a good way to die from water.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_01: You die from water.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, everything's food, money, drugs, uh, you know, all of it.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I'm sorry, it's and used properly, it's all all wonderful.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know, until you until you misuse it.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean you know, money's great, but if you misuse it, it's horrible, you know.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_01: Sex is awesome.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_01: But if you misuse it, it's death death, you know, it's horrible.
• 1:03:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know, anything.
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I think there's there's drugs.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you can and most people probably do misuse them, but I think there's an absolute place in this world for them.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's just that's just who we are as human human beings.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_01: Our minds would not be elevated or open to the point they are without people doing mushroom studies and LSD studies and all the stuff like that.
• 1:04:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's a place now.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't say that everyone needs to run out and do that.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's I don't think it's it's like that, but I think that everyone should spend some time trying to figure out who they are, you know, and who they want to be, because we might not think we have a choice, but we absolutely have a choice.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_01: We get to sit and say, you know what?
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_01: These are all things that I like, and these are all things that I don't like, and I have to make the choice to move everything that I don't like out of my world and increase everything that I do like, and you end up with a better life.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's a it's a choice.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_04: If you can it's very easy to get bogged down and negativity and hatred, and just woe is me, and you know, and at the beginning of this year, the the phrase I was using and me and Haley were using was addition by subtraction.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a real thing, man.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_04: And I feel like it's exactly what you're saying.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's I cut certain things out.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_01: One of my best one of my best friends, you know, give a shout out to Tag man, he says, you know, you control the controllables.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_01: And really, it's that's a such a profound statement because there's so much in your life that is a controllable that you could actually work on and improve any number of areas or situations, or you could wallow in what just happened to you, you know, a little while ago that's that made you feel bad, and you can live in that negativity and talk about that negativity and and just soak yourself.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, be aware of what is elevating you and what is dragging you down, and then the decision again with when you're aware.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_01: Is higher, the decision is easier.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_01: Most people aren't aware that they're going down a bad road because they're just so comfortable in it.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's just everybody around, you know.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_01: I've been in negative situations around negative people, and you it's just you you can just see it.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's snowballs.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_01: You have to make some choices.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_01: Have you grown the most being uncomfortable?
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't be who I am if I hadn't been uncomfortable.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's that's I think that's that kind of defines everybody.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you're kind of a product of your of your failures and your mistakes and the things that you you know, you don't I don't think you do anything well until you've done it pretty poorly, you know, at first.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_04: To that point, I was gonna ask you before you we wrap up.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um was there is there a f a financial piece of advice you would have given the younger Dan Tominsky?
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_01: There is it turns out there is.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I have spent a lifetime with almost a uh non-awareness of money.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like it just hasn't been a an important part of my life, like hasn't been my focus.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't I'm not the guy who sits down and you know does his checks and balances and makes sure that he knows this is where I've I've had a really uh boy, I've I've just I'm there with you, brother.
• 1:07:21
  SPEAKER_01: I've just I've just it's just never been a word.
• 1:07:23
  SPEAKER_01: Now I became aware at a certain point in my life that okay, now you have to have a certain amount of money, you know, to do a certain amount of things.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_01: And as you grow up, you start learning, wow, there's a direct correlation to what you get to do in your life and how much money you make, you know, and not necessarily what you get to do, but you know, the things that cost money.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_01: There are some things that only money, you know, really you you only enjoy through money.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_01: What are those things?
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like for me, I I've had some expensive habits like in in my life.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_01: And like I said, I mean, I had a wonderful job.
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_01: I played with Allison Krause Union Station for 30 years, and I I made more money than most sidemen musicians.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like I did, you know, better financially than I would have playing with you know any other band.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I never even considered how I was blowing my money.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_01: What I tell young people, like, okay, so I'm a I'm a lifetime cigar smoker.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_01: Still to this day.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_01: The first move when I leave here will be I will I will light my cigar.
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's the same.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_01: I put it down right when I walked in and I will light it up as soon as I go out.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_01: I wish I this was a cigar lounge so we could both.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, but what I would tell the young Dan is don't even pick up the first one.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's not something, again, now I have to look at it as what is the positive, what is the negative, and and man, oh man.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_01: This is one where I still have to really uh, you know, cover my eyes and and ignore because if I really evaluated myself too harshly, I'd have to stop.
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_01: But at this point, I've been, you know, I'm such a lifer, I'm not gonna be a quitter in that regard, man.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna, you know, that my cigars, that's that's what I'm down to.
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_01: But like cigars, I look at a lifetime of what I have spent financially on cigars.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_01: And it's the number is embarrassing.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_01: I've done the math.
• 1:09:15
  SPEAKER_01: I know pretty much what it is, and it's I mean, in in some counties it would be considered a mansion.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that I could be.
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well, here's here's the thing.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_01: Now I am conscious that I'm a cigar smoker.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm conscious that people really don't like cigars in general, right?
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't I try never to get around other people and force it on anyone else.
• 1:09:42
  SPEAKER_01: If I'm ever smoke, like I only smoke in my car and I make sure that I'm in the front window and it stays right there.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like I try my best not to get it on anyone else, right?
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_01: But yes, for me, it's one of the things if I'm on a golf course or if I'm outside or on my back deck where it's just me, if I cannot bother anyone else, then I'm smoking.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_01: If I ever find I'm bothering someone else, then I don't smoke.
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_01: But I have a I've had a love affair with with that tobacco plant for a lifetime for whatever reason, man.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, that's all that's okay.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_01: But I would tell I would tell young I would tell young Dan to to let that go.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_01: And the other frivolous stuff that I didn't really need to spend money on, you know, like I didn't need that new set of golf clubs every year when the ones I had worked just fine.
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_01: There's a beauty in knowing what works and staying with that, you know.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_01: And again, like now at my old age, now that I can have whatever golf clubs I want, you know, now I'm playing with stuff off eBay, right?
• 1:10:37
  SPEAKER_01: Now I'm now all of a sudden, you know, I'm I'm a tight wad with what I'm willing to put in my golf bag.
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know, some things you have to spend the money on, okay, granted, but a lot of things you don't, you know.
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm playing with a laughably cheap set of clubs right now, and they all fit me and they hit the ball just fine.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_01: So man, I'm you know, I'm I'm freer in that regard.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm less concerned that my playing partner is gonna walk up and judge me on what I have in my bag.
• 1:11:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:11:00
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like that part of me has been kind of washed away.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's one of the luxuries because of that insecurity gets washed away.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's one of the beauties of it.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_01: When you can let a lot of that stuff go, yeah, life becomes easier, just just things are easier.
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_04: Do you think that making more like making I think about this?
• 1:11:21
  SPEAKER_04: Making more money, like if I have more money, I want to be more frugal.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_04: If I have if I feel like I have a little like chunk in the bank, I'm like, I don't want to spend any money on anything.
• 1:11:32
  SPEAKER_04: I don't want to even go to Starbucks.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's how I am.
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_01: If I have like a little, like see at times in my life I've had a little piggy bank where I would put cash, right?
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_01: Now, if I had just a few bucks in it, I could spend it any, you know, I'd think you know, I'd screw it.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_01: But if I ever let it build up to where it built up to anything, like if it was like a few hundred dollars, like then it got to be bigger.
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well, then I've then I was like crazy about like I would not spend it for anything.
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was just like the the more I kind of really focused on saving, the less I wanted to spend.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I could have adopted that philosophy a lot more in my life.
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I really just I wasn't concerned on saving.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_01: What I was concerned on was making sure that the quality of life of all the people in my life was the best it could be.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_01: If money could ever change anybody's quality of life, and for me, that meant, you know, uh horses and golf clubs and farms and you know, it's a lot of stuff like that.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's what my that's what my people at the time wanted and and wanted in their life.
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_01: So anything I could supply, I did.
• 1:12:31
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, if I could go back and say, wow, I definitely would have bought less horses, right?
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_01: Horses, I was I'm a banjo player, man.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_01: No banjo player is supposed to, you know, spend that kind of money on horses, right?
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um and cigars and and shit.
• 1:12:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, a lot of the stuff that I just threw money at, you know, I would have been more frugal in my young life and realized that spending that money wasn't what was making me happy.
• 1:12:58
  SPEAKER_04: Was there financial managers back then for artists like there are now where it's like I had to be business financials?
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_01: There had to be, but I really didn't have them.
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like so when I first started making money, I did.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_01: I got one of those business managers and I got a financial manager, but what it turns out, all that really was in my case was someone to make sure that my taxes were paid, you know, and that that that stuff it really didn't stop me from there was no advice on on what to spend or what not to spend.
• 1:13:24
  SPEAKER_01: If I wanted to spend, you know, fifty thousand dollars on a guitar, I spent it.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_01: If I wanted to buy golf clubs or redo my kitchen or whatever, I did it.
• 1:13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like whatever I didn't have anyone saying, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_01: Or if I did, I I just I ignored them and I said no.
• 1:13:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I always looked at and said, you know, I looked just so far down the road and thought, this is what I do, you know, and this, and I'm gonna I'll be doing it next year too.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'll be doing, you know, I just never if I had the money, I was had no problem spending the money.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_01: And that's maybe maybe I would change that.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_01: If I I could also see a version of where I was so tight with the money that my family didn't have the things that they really wanted to make them happy.
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_01: So mistake, I'm not gonna judge it like that.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just gonna say I would have tightened up a little bit with my who I am now.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_01: But still enjoyed life.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_01: Still family.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_01: If I see something I want, like if I see something I want, still it has if it makes sense.
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I have no I mean, I still have no problem spending the money if it's something that I have the money for and I know that there's again, it's kind of that positive or negative thing.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like if it's something, if I can afford it and it doesn't hurt me in any way or hurt anyone else in any way, then I have no problem spending it.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_01: But if I feel like I'm spending this and someone else is gonna go without something, or like they're gonna turn my lights off, or I'm not gonna get my my wife what she needs, or my kids what they need, or whatever, well then, you know, I'm at a point now where it's easier not to spend the money and allocate it.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_01: I I mean I allocate money a little better now because I absolutely have to.
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't make the money now that I once made in my career.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, the money's different now.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_01: So, but again, I'm a different person now, man.
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_01: My needs have gone way down.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I don't need to support, you know, you know, everybody in my life that I raise, they're all supporting themselves and doing great.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I have to be able to, you know, play golf once in a while and get to the occasional foosball tournament, man.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I got a happy life.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_01: Play music with people you like.
• 1:15:25
  SPEAKER_01: Man, I'm always gonna play music.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_01: I don't mention that because that's just that's the that's what everything else is centered around, yeah.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, dude.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_04: Well, um I'm excited you brought your guitar.
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_04: So uh I think it'd be cool to play a couple songs while you're here if you're cool with it.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_04: If there's something that makes sense, we'll do it.
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_04: I I think it'd be cool to hear if you if I don't know if you play this acoustic, but having on your mind.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_01: I've never played it.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_01: I thought about it coming here.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_01: I've never played it.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'd have to learn the damn thing to play it, but I've got a couple songs I can play.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I can play a piece of it.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like since we're in podcast form, it's not anything that we're releasing in full song length, right?
• 1:16:01
  SPEAKER_04: So I can Yeah, we I mean we don't have to we can even cut it if it sucks.
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_04: But we'll we'll uh get into that.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_04: I'll have to change the mics.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_04: But man, I appreciate you coming back and chatting.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_01: Happy so happy to do it.
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_01: And again, that's I like doing stuff like this.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean again, I first of all, this format works for me so well because it it allowed like even the stuff we're talking about, you just that's not they're not all comfortable conversations like out of the r.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard to get to that point.
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_01: And then if you do, you're not necessarily with someone who is ready to receive anything like that, right?
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_01: In a format like this, you know someone that's turning it on and sitting down and making it a point to listen, they're ready to hear it.
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_01: So it's nice to have it's nice to have an avenue for people that are ready to hear stuff.
• 1:16:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, uh I I I could go and go.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's I just I I I love the thought of seeing people just healing and coming together.
• 1:17:05
  SPEAKER_01: I you know, we're meant to be more than we are right now on this earth, right?
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I think people need to make a conscious decision to be better.
• 1:17:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's not something that just happens.
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_01: People have to raise their awareness before they can make that decision and to be any part of that, man, is my jam.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_04: My jam too.
• 1:17:24
  SPEAKER_04: Dan Taminsky, thank you.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_04: So I know everybody, please make sure to keep streaming the uh Kaigo featuring Dan Taminsky.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, next time.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_04: Do you get a cut of that song by the way?
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_01: We got new stuff out.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my name is on this one, so we you know, we want we want this one, we want this one to do real good.
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_04: Alright, because I've been tracking the stream, so go keep listening to that because I know that song's keep it's it's gonna keep getting steam, but um, it's one of my favorite songs right now.
• 1:17:55
  SPEAKER_04: It's my son's favorite song currently, his new favorite song after Hey Brother.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_04: He's the EDM, but he also loves Bluegrass too.
• 1:18:03
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• 1:18:06
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• 1:18:07
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• 1:18:11
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• 1:18:13
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• 1:18:14
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• 1:18:15
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• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_04: Leave a comment if you love it, and we'll see you back here next Wednesday.
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_04: Peace.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_01: I've been doing this one on stage, and it's been a this is a new one for me that I just started doing, and I did it at first, and people and I always send it out to my son.
• 1:18:32
  SPEAKER_01: As I say, this goes out to my youngest son.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then they've come up and they've when I first started doing it, they're like, You have three kids, right?
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Yeah.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_01: They said, Why do you not send this out to all three kids?
• 1:18:42
  SPEAKER_01: Why just your youngest son?
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I try to explain to him, you know, because I love him the most.
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_01: And they don't accept that.
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_01: But but the truth is I know him the le like he plays his cards so close to his vest, right?
• 1:18:55
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't know him as well.
• 1:18:56
  SPEAKER_01: The other two, like, you know, they sing like canaries.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_01: I know what's going on in their life, you know, if there is ever anything.
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_01: My example of him is I'm playing with him one day, hadn't seen him for a month.
• 1:19:06
  SPEAKER_01: A couple months.
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_01: Finally get to spend a day together, we're playing ping pong and hanging out and goofing off, and I'm getting ready to leave.
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_01: And he says, What are you doing tomorrow, Dad?
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Nothing.
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_01: What about you?
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_01: He says, Well, I'm closing on my house.
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_01: I said, You're closing on your house.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't ask for money signature, nothing closing on his house.
• 1:19:21
  SPEAKER_01: I said, You're closing on a house tomorrow.
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Where in the hell are you buying a house?
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_01: And he said, No.
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_01: Buying a house.
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm selling my house and I'm closing tomorrow.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, Do you have a house?
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, You didn't know?
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, it was right down the road from me.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_01: This is how private this particular young man is.
• 1:19:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I always preface this song by saying, you know, this is why it just goes to him and not the other two.
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm gonna try it.
• 1:19:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's called I Hope You Smile Win You're Long.
• 1:20:03
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you may not even know it.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_01: You may not even get the right key.
• 1:20:08
  SPEAKER_01: I thought we were we weren't tuned down, were we?
• 1:20:10
  unknown: I don't know who we are.
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_01: That was high though.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, much better for for the for my munchkin.
• 1:20:24
  SPEAKER_02: Well you may not even know it, but I swear the way you laugh lots of room.
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_02: I can see it plain as day why everybody wants to be around When the noise does down, I was a crowd and around.
• 1:20:58
  SPEAKER_02: That you've always got a friend.
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_02: The pretty rolls off your back and don't stay long.
• 1:21:11
  SPEAKER_02: You're the life of every party.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_02: When the lights go, all those friends are gone.
• 1:21:19
  SPEAKER_02: I pray you smile when you're alone.
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes a life can test you.
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_02: It might even bring you down to your knees.
• 1:21:51
  SPEAKER_02: When you get down on your luck, we all find to pick you up.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_02: Pray you know how much your love.
• 1:22:33
  SPEAKER_02: And the sun lives on your face.
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_02: Up your tears on your few and you always come back.
• 1:22:43
  SPEAKER_02: Up your wheels don't stop, your dreams get caught.
• 1:22:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh the life of every party.
• 1:22:49
  SPEAKER_02: But when the lights go down, all those friends are gone.
• 1:22:55
  SPEAKER_02: When the lights go down and all those friends are gone.
• 1:23:00
  SPEAKER_02: I pray you smile when you're alone.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_00: He's smiling some he's smiling somewhere.
• 1:23:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's a beautiful team.
• 1:23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks.
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's uh that goes that I mean that goes out to anybody with kids, man.
• 1:23:24
  SPEAKER_01: With anybody who loves anybody, really.
• 1:23:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, what do you want for anybody?
• 1:23:27
  SPEAKER_01: You want him to be happy not just when everybody's around, but actually happy when all when everything's done.
• 1:23:34
  SPEAKER_01: You still want him to be happy.
• 1:23:36
  SPEAKER_01: And with him, it's tougher to tell.
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 1:23:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's why I wrote that particular song, was because I mean it's always, you know, it's good, but then man, it just shuts off like hell, I don't know.
• 1:23:45
  SPEAKER_01: I hope he's happy.
• 1:23:50
  SPEAKER_01: This is one, now I wrote this one about a buddy.
• 1:23:53
  SPEAKER_01: And everybody's got somebody like this in their life.
• 1:23:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like he called me up and I said hello, and he said, Hey.
• 1:24:01
  SPEAKER_01: In one syllable.
• 1:24:03
  SPEAKER_01: I knew he was down, I knew he needed help, but there was no, there was, it was I was just like, I said, dude, what's wrong?
• 1:24:10
  SPEAKER_01: How can I help?
• 1:24:11
  SPEAKER_01: And all he said was, hey, right?
• 1:24:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I just knew.
• 1:24:14
  SPEAKER_01: So this one made me feel like, so what could I like?
• 1:24:17
  SPEAKER_01: Can I I'm not there with you, but if I were a man, I'd mix you a drink, or I'd roll you a joint, or I'd fix you as you know, I'd do make you a sandwich, I'd do like, and then when I thought, make sure a drink, or you know, roll him one, because he's he's big head, I said, I could be your medicine man.
• 1:24:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'd help it.
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I wrote one called Medicine Man.
• 1:24:34
  SPEAKER_01: This will be with a band.
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_02: It's been a while, my brother, since I've seen you.
• 1:24:47
  SPEAKER_02: I can tell there's something wrong.
• 1:24:52
  SPEAKER_02: There's something going on.
• 1:26:59
  SPEAKER_02: Your medicine.
• 1:27:10
  unknown: Oh, another awesome one.
• 1:27:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that one's bangers.
• 1:27:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that one's a banger.
• 1:27:16
  SPEAKER_01: That one's for the band.
• 1:27:16
  SPEAKER_01: It goes full on jam band for a little bit, and everybody takes rides and does their things.
• 1:27:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it turns into a jam band of of sorts.
• 1:27:25
  SPEAKER_04: That's sick.
• 1:27:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Medicine Man.
• 1:27:28
  SPEAKER_04: I like the tempo with the little bit of like a sad romance behind it.
• 1:27:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's uh that's still in that world of EDM like rhythm, you know.
• 1:27:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's still a change or playing at all, your writing style at all.
• 1:27:43
  SPEAKER_01: It made me restart writing.
• 1:27:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, not any more than three or four days.
• 1:27:52
  SPEAKER_01: But then after that, I decided it was just time in my life to start writing.
• 1:27:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like I should be writing songs.
• 1:27:58
  SPEAKER_01: I knew a lot of people that were making a lot of money off songwriting, and I thought, why wouldn't I at least try?
• 1:28:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I found myself with a publishing deal.
• 1:28:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, then Barry Coburn gave me a publishing deal, and well then everybody wanted to write the next Hey Brother, right?
• 1:28:12
  SPEAKER_01: So the the next write I had that we were trying to write outside of the box and do something completely different.
• 1:28:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then we said the next write was like, what could we do that you know could be in that world, something completely different?
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_01: Wrote so much weird, different shit that it was it led to Southern Gothic.
• 1:28:26
  SPEAKER_01: The Southern Gothic record never gets made had I not done Hey Brother, took that writing deal and everyone wanted to write something weird, so I ended up with this all this strange left and center material that turned into a record that I really never had the time to you know to to treat properly, man.
• 1:28:45
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I did I toured with it for about a half a year when I got an electric band and realized there was no way I could keep that up.
• 1:28:53
  SPEAKER_01: Man, that was the hardest vocal.
• 1:28:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was one one long vocal from a downbeat, and there were no not even any solo.
• 1:28:59
  SPEAKER_01: Any of that record, I never even thought about it.
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's just all vocals right to the end, just high and hard to sing.
• 1:29:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I went up with Brad Paisley and Kane Brown.
• 1:29:10
  SPEAKER_01: We do her for six months.
• 1:29:12
  SPEAKER_01: Boy I was I mean, I was happy to have that.
• 1:29:16
  SPEAKER_01: I was happy to have that idea.
• 1:29:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's my fault off a lot.
• 1:29:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's like that's the easiest thing I love everyone now.
• 1:29:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right now, I mean everybody individually and what they do.