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Whitehall police officer suing fellow officers · Chuck Douglas

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  Speaker 1: Zach, because I know you're you know, you're a news
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  Speaker 1: hound like all the rest of us, and you see
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  Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. Before we get into the calls,
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  Speaker 1: I want to get into you know what. You and
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  Speaker 1: I are generally generally of the same mind. Here the
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  Speaker 1: Columbus police officer identified I guess Marcy's law, you know,
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  Speaker 1: protects his identity as Officer Doe his wife Jane Doe,
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  Speaker 1: following filing suit against the Whitehall Police Department slash officers
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  Speaker 1: who had in their possession the punks that were stealing cars.
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  Speaker 1: They got their hands on a Porsche, they fled the
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  Speaker 1: Whitehall area. I don't know all the particulars, but from
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  Speaker 1: reading the coverage, it seems that at some point they
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  Speaker 1: were confined by Whitehall police but then allowed to escape.
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  Speaker 1: Then I remember they were out on Hilliard Rome Road
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  Speaker 1: and an officer observed them out there exiting awkward or so.
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  Speaker 1: Then they ended up on seventy headed back toward downtown,
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  Speaker 1: coming up on Cooper Stadium, which is where the shootout
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  Speaker 1: with Columbus police.
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  Speaker 2: That's a long chase, Yeah, that's a long chase.
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  Speaker 1: And an officer was you know, critically injured by the
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  Speaker 1: bad guys, three of them, and all three were caught eventually,
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  Speaker 1: but the officer has apparently chosen He and his wife
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  Speaker 1: chosen to file suit against Whitehall Police, either the department
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  Speaker 1: and or the officers that were named for not keeping
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  Speaker 1: this this particular bad guy under control, allowing him to escape,
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  Speaker 1: which resulted in him shooting the Columbus officer. I have
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  Speaker 1: never heard of such a lawsuit being filed.
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  Speaker 2: Did a lawyer get to him? And I'm not I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I've never heard this before, and I've never
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  Speaker 2: heard like we're chase it's body or where to shoot out.
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  Speaker 2: And because my partner or the other officers that I
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  Speaker 2: work with were completely negligent.
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  Speaker 1: Well, John was asking before the break there too. You
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  Speaker 1: know how his wife is involved? I would say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if something like this, she's definitely involved. Her life, her family,
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  Speaker 1: her existence, her her support, her everything is affected well
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  Speaker 1: sure by him. So I can see that. And if
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  Speaker 1: something were to happen to him during the course of
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  Speaker 1: the case, then I'm sure everything would differ over to
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  Speaker 1: her so that she could continue on in looking for
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  Speaker 1: whatever compensation they're looking for.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, she might not want to, this is a speculation.
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  Speaker 2: She might not want him to be a police officer,
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  Speaker 2: and she's like, this is her way out, Well this
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  Speaker 2: is your way out?
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  Speaker 1: Could be or maybe he doesn't. I don't know. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, taking a few bullets can change your career
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  Speaker 1: direction in a hurry. Yeah, I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I've never been shot, so I really don't understand the minds. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: exactly when that happens. So but no, I've never heard
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  Speaker 2: of it. Very unique situation because I can't think of
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  Speaker 2: anything similar to this that I've ever heard of in
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  Speaker 2: my life.
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  Speaker 1: And does it open up a can of worms? I
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  Speaker 1: mean to what exit? Okay, if you sue the Whitehall
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  Speaker 1: Police Department, should you also sue up? I mean, should
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  Speaker 1: we sue the families if they what if some of
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  Speaker 1: their families have money or something?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if somebody in a partner recks and then
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  Speaker 2: I get hurt right into him, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: And does this not then turn also on the Columbus
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  Speaker 1: Police department. If I get, you know, hit by somebody
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  Speaker 1: who's fleeing Columbus police because they allowed them to jump
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  Speaker 1: in the car and take off, am I not you know,
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  Speaker 1: apt to sue in the police department for not restraining
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  Speaker 1: and confining them right when they had the opportunity to
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  Speaker 1: do so, instead of letting them flee where they ran
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  Speaker 1: into me and ran me off the road.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, it does open a camp. If you start
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  Speaker 2: thinking about it, you could think of any type of
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  Speaker 2: lawsuit that you could come up.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I've always asked how far are you willing
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  Speaker 1: to go when we've started seeing lawsuits about you know,
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  Speaker 1: companies or organizations suing suing gun companies or suing manufacturers
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  Speaker 1: of ammunition for violence in Chicago, which I found ridiculous. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so you're going to sue the company that made the
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  Speaker 1: sue the people doing the shooting, and how far are
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  Speaker 1: you willing to go with that? Should if you get
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  Speaker 1: somebody gets pulled over for you know, drunk driving, they
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  Speaker 1: run over somebody because they're out there driving drunk, then
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  Speaker 1: you want to sue the bar that served them. Should
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  Speaker 1: you not serve the Sue the manufacturer of the alcohol.
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  Speaker 1: Sue the manufacturer of the automobile that they were driving
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  Speaker 1: for not having an installed breathalyizer. Sue the gas company,
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  Speaker 1: the gasoline oil producer where they bought the fuel that
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  Speaker 1: allowed them to operate the car that ran over people
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  Speaker 1: sue the government that issued the permits to that oil
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  Speaker 1: company to drill and get oil so that they could
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  Speaker 1: produce that gas. How far are you willing to go?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I remember Ralph Nader trying to sue the
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  Speaker 2: fertilizer company that McVeigh used.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't he was at a presidential candidate, but that's
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  Speaker 2: one of his things that kind of got him on
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  Speaker 2: the map.
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  Speaker 1: This so this isn't about right or wrong, or good
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  Speaker 1: or bad. This is about my UH, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: my surprise at the situation and my I guess, my
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  Speaker 1: lack of my lack of understanding of the UH of
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  Speaker 1: the logic behind it. I will absolutely not say that this,
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  Speaker 1: this officer and his family do not deserve compensation and
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  Speaker 1: UH and he should be you know, protected and cared
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  Speaker 1: for financially for the rest of his life, as should
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  Speaker 1: his his wife, his family. I just I this, this
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  Speaker 1: is catching me off guard. So maybe I'm the odd
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  Speaker 1: man out on this. A two one nine eighty six
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  Speaker 1: A two one w TV and and has been on
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  Speaker 1: hold the longest JOW on the Legacy Retirement Group dot
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, this is not just a can of worms.
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  Speaker 3: I mean what this will do to the morale of
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  Speaker 3: police officers. They're already being suited by everybody. They're already
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  Speaker 3: getting their hands.
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  Speaker 4: And tack cuffs.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I put it back on Columbus Police Department.
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  Speaker 3: If one of their officers get hurt, that should already
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  Speaker 3: be written in their contract that they will be taken
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  Speaker 3: care of. I mean, you don't know, and we don't
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  Speaker 3: know if she hasn't been unwrapped. It was Whitehall told
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  Speaker 3: where the officers told, hey, sorry, you got that gup, buddy.
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  Speaker 3: I think this is just I feel bad for everyone involved.
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  Speaker 3: It hurts that they're doing this because now it's the
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  Speaker 3: now what okay? And then what if you know if
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  Speaker 3: they if a police officer writes me, writes another police
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  Speaker 3: officer a ticket and he doesn't like it, you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: get sued. I mean I know that different, but I
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  Speaker 3: don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Well again, and like I said, how far are you
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  Speaker 1: willing to go? What if an officer pulls somebody over,
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  Speaker 1: writes them a ticket for say speeding or something, and
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  Speaker 1: they go get back and they stop speeding, but they
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  Speaker 1: drive onto the bank where the gun that the officer
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  Speaker 1: did not notice in their car is used to shoot
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  Speaker 1: up the bank and rob it is that officer then respect.
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  Speaker 1: This is what I worry about. Everything. Everything is a
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  Speaker 1: spider web if you allow it to be.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, and we're going down a slip
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  Speaker 3: reflap that they win and if they really just file
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  Speaker 3: the taump, I put a back on Komba City. Please
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  Speaker 3: contract to take care of your people. If you're in
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  Speaker 3: the military, if.
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  Speaker 5: You get hit, you have a gun and you but you.
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  Speaker 3: Get hit, you know, and you get hurt. You know
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  Speaker 3: you're in the military. You know that that could happen.
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  Speaker 3: But you're not gonna suit. You can't sue them. You
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  Speaker 3: can't sue the federal government. What you pull, you bad
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  Speaker 3: your gun properly. I mean, this is such a slippery slope.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know I feel about it. I feel terrible
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  Speaker 3: for everyone involved. However, I don't think I should go
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  Speaker 3: down that alley.
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  Speaker 1: We're on the same page, Ann and I don't think
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  Speaker 1: I've ever talked to you before, but welcome to the show,
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  Speaker 1: and I hope to talk to you again. A two
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  Speaker 1: one ninety six A two one WTV and Doug. You're
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  Speaker 1: on six to ten DOUBLETV.
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  Speaker 4: In.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Hey, Chuck, I've listened to you all the time
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  Speaker 6: on different shows and stuff, and what I was one
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  Speaker 6: what I'd like to hear is, I know you're on
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  Speaker 6: Target a lot on Saturdays. I'd like to know what
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  Speaker 6: Eric feels about this. You're on a show all the time.
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  Speaker 6: Hopefully I'll bring that up. I want to know what
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  Speaker 6: other police offers feel about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're having to talk about this, and I I
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  Speaker 1: did not want to throw Brian Steele under the bus
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  Speaker 1: right away because this is such a news story, but
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  Speaker 1: I'll have Ryan on most likely during the course of
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  Speaker 1: the week next week because this is as the as
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  Speaker 1: the president of the FOP, he needs to address.
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  Speaker 6: This too, right And he was the other guy I
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  Speaker 6: was going to say, I'd like to see what Eric
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  Speaker 6: has to say about and see what Brian Steal has
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  Speaker 6: to say about it. But no, love what you do man.
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  Speaker 1: As a as a just an observer, Doug as a citizen,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think? And are you I mean deep?
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  Speaker 1: Do you see the reason here? Or do you think
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  Speaker 1: this is a little off?
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  Speaker 6: I like you said, I don't think I've ever heard
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  Speaker 6: this before and it seems a little off to me.
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  Speaker 6: But I you know, I believe in law and order,
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  Speaker 6: but I'm not a police officer, so I you know,
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  Speaker 6: that's why I want to hear from them, all right.
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  Speaker 6: I want to hear what they have to say about it.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the other part of the equation too. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, as as as pro law enforcement as I am,
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  Speaker 1: we're not cops. And this is uh right, there's a
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  Speaker 1: perspective here that you and I are not going to
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  Speaker 1: understand because we don't do that job.
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  Speaker 6: Every day, exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you, my friend, thank you very much for
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  Speaker 1: the call, and I will I'll reach out to Brian.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get him on here next week. Will you're on
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  Speaker 1: six ten WTVN.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, Chuck. I'm thinking this has a lot to do
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  Speaker 4: with one of the lowest forms of life on Earth,
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  Speaker 4: insurance companies and operators. I think that to get the
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  Speaker 4: coverage that this officer needs for his injuries and to
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  Speaker 4: be set for life, that he doesn't have to be
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  Speaker 4: a cop or a bye paper pusher or what have you.
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  Speaker 4: I think it all boils down to he's been advised
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  Speaker 4: to sue everybody and anything so that he can get
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  Speaker 4: more money. Now, I'm not faulting him, But I am
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  Speaker 4: following the insurance companies in stead the coverage being to
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  Speaker 4: cover this individual. No, well, we can only give you
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  Speaker 4: so much, but Whitehall can give you some, and then
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  Speaker 4: white Hall can give you a little more because each
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  Speaker 4: officer that you sue also will have some kind of coverage.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's what it boils down to. I don't
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  Speaker 4: think it comes down to one top. Hey the other
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  Speaker 4: guy was at work for SOB and let the dude go.
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  Speaker 4: It's how do you get how do you get your money?
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  Speaker 4: How do you get paid?
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  Speaker 1: Insurance companies have been known to do such things which
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  Speaker 1: explain seat belt laws. As far as I'm concerned, will
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  Speaker 1: good observation. It's something I hadn't even thought about. But
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  Speaker 1: the officer may have heard, Hey, we're going to have
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  Speaker 1: to recoup this some way, and uh, one way is
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  Speaker 1: we need you to file suit? Not out of the question.
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  Speaker 1: It is not out of the question. Rick, you're on
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  Speaker 1: the Legacy Retirement Group dot com phone line height? Did
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  Speaker 1: I have it? Hang on? Let me try let me
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  Speaker 1: try that one. Are you there?
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  Speaker 4: Rick? All right?
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  Speaker 6: You're up.
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  Speaker 7: So my thought would be that a lot of the
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  Speaker 7: to go down this rabbit hole is what about the
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  Speaker 7: legislators that there are, get you back out after they've
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  Speaker 7: stole a car, and they get out and go do
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  Speaker 7: the same thing again.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, exactly in this case, these kids, what if they
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  Speaker 1: were one of those and you're breaking up on me, Rick,
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  Speaker 1: But what if they were one of those notorious Kia
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  Speaker 1: boys or something who were on their eighteenth car theft
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  Speaker 1: and ended up running over an officer and doing great damage.
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  Speaker 1: You know, our is our system of justice not then
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  Speaker 1: liable for that. You kept letting them out and an
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  Speaker 1: officer was injured, not even an officer. What if they
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  Speaker 1: run over Zach. Shouldn't Zach be able to say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm suing because you let him out over and over again,
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  Speaker 1: refusing to make them pay for their crimes against the city.
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  Speaker 1: I think you should have that right, Eric. I think
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna wrap us up.
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  Speaker 5: You're on six t n WTVN all right, I'll try
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  Speaker 5: to make it quick. I agree with what everybody's saying.
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  Speaker 5: It's all sounds ballid. But I was kind of starting
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  Speaker 5: back at the beginning about the Whitehall Cup. What about
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  Speaker 5: due diligence, you know what I mean? He knew those
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  Speaker 5: those guys were headed to Columbus get on the horn
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  Speaker 5: call Columba's cops get the helicopterra up and try to
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  Speaker 5: have them off. But did they do that. I don't
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  Speaker 5: know if we have not.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is part of the lawsuit filing, is that
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  Speaker 1: they did not warn them what was coming their.
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  Speaker 5: Way exactly had they done that? And maybe the guy,
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  Speaker 5: maybe the other cop when the guy shot.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of those things, Eric, for you know, and
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  Speaker 1: see if I was. Let's say I myself, I am
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  Speaker 1: Columbus police and I get a call from Zach who's
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  Speaker 1: Whitehall police. He goes, hey, maniacs man stole a car,
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  Speaker 1: got guns, you'd be ready. I'm frankly, I'm more apt
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  Speaker 1: to open fire on them the moment they get in
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  Speaker 1: my proximity because I know what they are, what they're bringing.
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  Speaker 1: And then you lose on that battle too, So it's.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. But then at the end of the day, you
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  Speaker 5: fast forward the cop, the injured cop sitting there with
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  Speaker 5: his wife at the kitchen table and guess what we need.
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  Speaker 5: We need some money.
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  Speaker 1: He goes home, You're right, I'm with you. I appreciate you, Eric,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for the call. Man,