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Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, February 22 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jacks Drive Time with Ashlyn Sull of Sounds,
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Speaker 1: John Oshans and Brian Sexton. Jangs Drive jan starts right now.
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Speaker 1: It's exciting the bringing different personalities and different experiences together
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Speaker 1: to build the best possible offense. It's not gonna be
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Speaker 1: We didn't take the Dougs Eagles Playbuck and roll it
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Speaker 1: out on the table and say this is what we do.
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Speaker 1: We said, you know, here's kind of the experiences. What
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Speaker 1: do you guys do? Well, what do you think? What Mike,
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Speaker 1: what did you experise from your career coaching? X y Z, Jim, Bob,
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Speaker 1: Phil all these guys were kind of combining everybody together
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Speaker 1: to build the best offense. But I think that can
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Speaker 1: only work if everybody kind of puts their ego aside
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Speaker 1: and is truly in it to do what is best
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Speaker 1: for the Jacksonville Jaguars at the time. That is Press Taylor,
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Speaker 1: Jaguars offensive coordinator and Welcome into Jags Drive Time. J P.
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Speaker 1: Shadrick in for Ashlyn Sullivan, Brian Sexton, John O's are
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Speaker 1: along side. I'm usually up, you know, by noons, so
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Speaker 1: this is kind of early. Hello, what's going on? Oh,
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Speaker 1: how are you doing? Man? Good. I'm a good good idea,
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Speaker 1: that's what we do. Good. Good to see it, great,
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Speaker 1: great to be seen, Yes, very much so. Yeah, the
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Speaker 1: whiskers that give it away. Yeah, it's been it's been
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Speaker 1: one of those mornings so far. Hey, let's let's get
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Speaker 1: right into it to the big things today. We've got
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Speaker 1: a lot to get to. We just heard from Press Taylor,
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Speaker 1: but there's more on the Jaguars offensive coordinator. He's been
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Speaker 1: around for a little bit. He's just turned thirty four
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Speaker 1: years old. He's been around head coach Doug Peterson for
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Speaker 1: a while. He's excited, of course to work with Trevor
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Speaker 1: Lawrence and he has seen his communications skill already. Very
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Speaker 1: excited about the tender work with Trevor. All of us
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Speaker 1: are you know? That was kind of the one thing
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Speaker 1: that when you mentioned there's an opportunity to hear with
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars. Everybody talks about Trevor Lawrence, the character he has,
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Speaker 1: you know, I was whether it's fortunate. I'm fortunately I
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Speaker 1: was on the opposite sideline in the the last game of
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Speaker 1: the year with a chance to get to the playoffs,
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Speaker 1: and Trevor comes out, he's like and the very first
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Speaker 1: half nine of eleven on third down would kind of
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Speaker 1: let us up and kept us out of the playoffs.
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Speaker 1: So I definitely remember that at the time had a
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Speaker 1: bad taste in my mouth. But now on this side
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Speaker 1: of him like that, that was very encouraging, very exciting
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Speaker 1: to see. Let's go to defense now, defensive coordinator Mike
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Speaker 1: Caldwell getting his first opportunity to call the shots in
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Speaker 1: the NFL on defense. It's a good linebacking crew to
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Speaker 1: work with, but most notably one wearing number forty four.
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Speaker 1: I'm excited. I spoke with him yesterday and the thing,
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Speaker 1: it was on the phone, so just I could see
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Speaker 1: it through the phone. That sounds kind of funny. I
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Speaker 1: could see it through the phone that he's eager getting
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Speaker 1: ready to go. He used to be like coaching. I
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Speaker 1: come over and I was like, you know, I'm doing
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Speaker 1: a little bit today. You know, take the time for
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Speaker 1: going to swing by tomorrow and final. But he was
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Speaker 1: ready to go, and you can see the passing in
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Speaker 1: the voice. And one thing he said like, I want
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Speaker 1: to win, and that's what we're about here. I know,
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Speaker 1: Doug said it. I'm about it. We're trying to get
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Speaker 1: guys in the best of this and so we can
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Speaker 1: go out there and win games. You can see through
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Speaker 1: the photo if you FaceTime, that's for sure. We're here
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Speaker 1: from Doug Peterson. Now, the personality of the head coach
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Speaker 1: starting to show through it a few different interviews. Settings, Well,
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Speaker 1: he has an experienced staff, guys who have coached in
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Speaker 1: the NFL before, and it is not their first rodeo.
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Speaker 1: I think it's the it's got to be the end all,
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Speaker 1: be all type thing that they have NFL experience. However,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm coming into an opportunity as as as
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Speaker 1: a you know, a new head coach again, even though
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Speaker 1: I've been a head coach and and and yet, you know,
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Speaker 1: I want to make sure that there are guys that,
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Speaker 1: um have great experience, great teaching, great knowledge, and not
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Speaker 1: only of the game of football, but what we're going
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Speaker 1: to teach, you know, offensively with with schematics, and UM,
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Speaker 1: I I looked into the college, you know world too
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Speaker 1: to bring guys up. I've had guys in Philadelphia where
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Speaker 1: they came from college. So, UM, he always wanted to
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Speaker 1: hire the best guys and and UM, you know, some
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Speaker 1: of these guys have actual NFL experience playing, and I
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Speaker 1: think that's important as well. You're having our big things today.
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Speaker 1: Let's start with the quarterback conversation. Press Taylor one of
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Speaker 1: a few different cooks in the kitchen, if you will,
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Speaker 1: on offense. That's a lot of voices. How do they
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Speaker 1: narrow this down? Well, you know, so you got Mike McCoy,
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Speaker 1: who I think is about sixty, who was with Peyton
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Speaker 1: in um Den for Peyton Manning and then was the
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Speaker 1: head coach of the Chargers um and Jim Bob who
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Speaker 1: comes from Detroit, and so you know, here you got
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Speaker 1: a guy who's just turned thirty four. What impressive guy.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he had a he didn't just have an
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Speaker 1: answer for every question, John, he had a good answer.
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Speaker 1: He didn't give you a sentence, He gave you a paragraph,
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Speaker 1: which for guys like us is great to work with.
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Speaker 1: Really sharp guy. And I asked him, how do you
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Speaker 1: handle these guys who were twice your age? But it
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Speaker 1: was pretty apparent he could handle anything. Guy's really really sharp.
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Speaker 1: I was impressed. Well, he's been an NFL coach for
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Speaker 1: ten years, so you sort of have to look at
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Speaker 1: you know, if he got into when he was thirty
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Speaker 1: five and he was forty five, ten years experience, you
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Speaker 1: probably look at him a little different a couple of things.
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Speaker 1: Think Mike McCoy's fifty, so he's coming after you. Uh uh.
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Speaker 1: And at the beginning, Press Taylor said he's decided to
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Speaker 1: work about Trevor. He decided to work with Trevor. Well,
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Speaker 1: if he's not, he better get excited, because that's the deal.
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Speaker 1: And uh. It is an intriguing staff on in the
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Speaker 1: sense of there are young guys. Press Taylor as a
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Speaker 1: young guy and I might call who will talk about
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Speaker 1: a minute is also young in terms of experience. But
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Speaker 1: they back that up with Bob and Jim. Bob No,
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Speaker 1: Bob Shutton defensively, I'm sorry, Bob Sutton. And then there's
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Speaker 1: three very experienced Jim, Bob Cooter, Doug Peterson, and Mike McCoy,
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Speaker 1: who's right and I got that, what's wrong? Sorry, Mike.
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Speaker 1: So there are definitely experience mixed with youth. It's an
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Speaker 1: interesting mix what Peterson talked about too. Some of the experience.
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Speaker 1: Where there's eight years of coaching in the NFL, there's
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Speaker 1: ten years of playing, which is Might Caldwell. So uh,
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Speaker 1: there's balance. It's a young coordinator group, which will be
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Speaker 1: a storyline, but it's backed up by experienced assistance. I
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Speaker 1: just got done, um reading Fearless, Doug Peterson's book, if
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Speaker 1: you guys right, that's Scared. Yeah. I actually listened to
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Speaker 1: it in audible and it was a really good read.
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Speaker 1: And he talks at length about the So you listened
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Speaker 1: read it. It's the same thing, right enough, absorbed it.
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Speaker 1: It's it's about six hours. It's a really interesting listen.
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Speaker 1: UM a lot of it because his time in the
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Speaker 1: league as a player kind of coincides with our time,
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Speaker 1: you know, covering this leader JPU watching it and then
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Speaker 1: covering it. Um. Really he had a couple of points
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Speaker 1: that he wanted to make he was and he talks
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Speaker 1: about this in his book and he's talked about it
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Speaker 1: here a little bit. The Fearless, Right, he wants people
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Speaker 1: to create energy when they come into the building every day.
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Speaker 1: He wants people to eliminate distractions. He wants people to
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Speaker 1: fear nothing, and he wants his team to attack everything.
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Speaker 1: And that theme kind of goes through the book and
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Speaker 1: it's it's just I really enjoyed it. Highly recommended to
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Speaker 1: anybody who was watching this morning. If you want an
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Speaker 1: inside look at a guy who came up from being
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Speaker 1: undrafted and working with Don Shula to winning a championship
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Speaker 1: with the Eagles. Tremendous, tremendous story, A good story. Well
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Speaker 1: to him. Now, as we know, a lot of coaches
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Speaker 1: can author books. We've known this from coaches around here before.
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Speaker 1: But when you have the teeth behind it and the
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Speaker 1: jewelry at the highest level to go with that and
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Speaker 1: the success, I think that's a different field. When I
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Speaker 1: told you that, I read it because it was interesting
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Speaker 1: to talk about what he was looking for and and
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Speaker 1: and press. Taylor's the guy he talks about a lot
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Speaker 1: in the book and how he constructed the defense and
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Speaker 1: let it go with Jim Johnson when he became the
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Speaker 1: head coach there. So if you're looking for some insight
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Speaker 1: into ways that he thinks, he says early in the book,
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Speaker 1: I think differently. Right, when he breaks up a season,
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Speaker 1: doesn't break it up into quarters like a lot of
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Speaker 1: teams a lot of coaches do. He breaks it up
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Speaker 1: into meaningful segments, and all of them are different. I
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Speaker 1: just I found him to be very interesting and entertaining. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I don't think it's a coincidence that everybody or
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Speaker 1: the main guys on staff have had great success at
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Speaker 1: some level. Called Will super Bowl champion at the Bucks
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Speaker 1: press Taylor was with him in Philadelphia. Uh, these guys
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Speaker 1: have won at the highest level, and we'll see how
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Speaker 1: I guess that's the bottom line. We can talk about
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Speaker 1: the press conference all we want. Jaguars fans have been
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Speaker 1: have been through a lot of press conferences. By the way,
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Speaker 1: anybody wonder when Mike Coldwell started his press conference, why
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Speaker 1: they let Zoe up there? Members so from pr staff
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Speaker 1: who works for the Dolphins. Now he looks exactly like Zoey.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna hear. I can say it was really strong.
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Speaker 1: What does doing up there? Do you have anyway? I
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Speaker 1: like yes, like excited to see what they come up
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Speaker 1: with on defense and then with this offense. Thing is
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Speaker 1: gonna look like all the as we said, all the
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Speaker 1: voices that are involved. There so a lot to be done,
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Speaker 1: not a lot of time to get there. We're back
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Speaker 1: in a moment though, we're to look at a few prospects.
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Speaker 1: The The NFL scouting combine is coming up next week.
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Speaker 1: The Jaguars, as you might have heard, have the number
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Speaker 1: one overall pick and the twenty twenty two NFL Draft
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Speaker 1: will touch on a few key names when we return.
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Speaker 1: We're off running It's Jags Drive Time on the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: Brian Sexton, Joe Fortunado, Blake Stewart. Glad you're along with
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Speaker 1: us today. Uh. The NFL Scouting Combine is coming up
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Speaker 1: next week in Indianapolis, and there was some news earlier
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Speaker 1: this week over the weekend that some agents were talking
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Speaker 1: about a boycott of the event because of the bubble
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Speaker 1: for players that the league had announced. Well, the combine
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Speaker 1: changed the rule as of I believe yesterday, and it
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Speaker 1: will be a free and open for all these players.
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Speaker 1: They won't be stuck in the bubble in the hotel room.
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Speaker 1: So the Jaguars, of course have the number one overall pick.
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Speaker 1: And there's all these mock drafts. It's mock draft season,
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Speaker 1: John your favorite. You know, it's all over the place.
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Speaker 1: Brian and who you're a mock draft. I enjoy it.
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Speaker 1: You it's not as interesting when you're number one. You
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Speaker 1: beat them up all the time. Well, it's interesting to
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Speaker 1: see who who has the Jaguars picking a tackle or
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Speaker 1: picking an defensive lineman or there's really the only two
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Speaker 1: so far. Let's go through a couple of those names,
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Speaker 1: you know, there's let's start with Evan Neil, the tackle
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Speaker 1: from Alabama that he has been mocked to the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: quite a bit. Of course, he's played three different positions
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Speaker 1: at Alabama and nineteen he was the left guard, in
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Speaker 1: he was the right tackle, but this past season he
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Speaker 1: was the left tackle and uh six seven, three fifty
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Speaker 1: will get you paid. And he can play well. And
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen the video, the box jump video,
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Speaker 1: I mean Alabama guy. Have you seen that? Um? He
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Speaker 1: has it on constant loop? Well have you seen mine? Yeah? Pick,
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Speaker 1: you were jumping on right? Um? This guy jumps on
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Speaker 1: boxes at six seven, three fifty and and manages to
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Speaker 1: keep his balance. It's a stunning piece of video. If
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Speaker 1: anyone hasn't seen it. UM seen a lot of very
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Speaker 1: athletic tackles in this league. That might be the most
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Speaker 1: athletic move I've ever seen an offensive tackle make. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's all sorts of debate on this. We're
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Speaker 1: gonna talk about Hutchinson next. People have have sort of
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Speaker 1: cooled on Thibodeau from Oregon a little bit. Those are
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Speaker 1: sort of the three there. We saw him out with
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Speaker 1: the Jags, and I got a question about this all
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Speaker 1: the time, and people want to ask do they take
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Speaker 1: left tackle? Philosophically, do they take a pass rusher? What's better?
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Speaker 1: I think you have to be careful of that. Take
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Speaker 1: the guy that you think is gonna be great, and
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Speaker 1: I if they're all equal, which they never are, you know,
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Speaker 1: I probably go pass rusher because of the disruption. But
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Speaker 1: you can fall into a trap of that of assuming
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Speaker 1: that these guys are the same. And if if you
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Speaker 1: draft the number one overall pick and it's the right
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Speaker 1: position and you can't play, you know what you got?
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Speaker 1: You got nothing? So I you know, it's it's so
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Speaker 1: hard to project guys, and that's what we have to
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Speaker 1: do all this, all this time. But I just think
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Speaker 1: that's the thing you got to be careful with when
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Speaker 1: they make that pick on you know, Oh, they didn't
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Speaker 1: pick the position I wanted. They've got to get the
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Speaker 1: guy right and in the position later. I like Neil,
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Speaker 1: I like his his athleticism. I have no problem with
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Speaker 1: the concept of I've left tackle, gonna make sure he's great.
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Speaker 1: I am. I'm sure you guys get it too. You know,
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Speaker 1: why won't they trade down? Why would they stay there?
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Speaker 1: And and I'm not sure if people who don't follow
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Speaker 1: this as closely as we do understand you've got to
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Speaker 1: have two sides. Someone's gotta want to come up. You
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Speaker 1: realize they're Madden. What you do, Brian, you don't play that.
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Speaker 1: You hit an I don't play Madden, So I don't know.
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Speaker 1: But but catch up. You've got four offensive tackles and
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Speaker 1: three defensive ends that are probably going in the top ten.
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Speaker 1: So why would somebody give up a king's ransom to
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Speaker 1: come to number one when they can stay right where
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Speaker 1: they're at it number seven, or or somebody at number fifteen,
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Speaker 1: can go to seven and it costs them less. There's
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Speaker 1: just not that compelling, you know, let's trade up mentality.
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Speaker 1: So if you're gonna if you're gonna stay there, and
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Speaker 1: in all likelihood they are, you're gonna have a choice
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Speaker 1: between one of these guys. Who is any elite looking athlete,
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Speaker 1: elite looking player. I say looking because they got to
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Speaker 1: come do it at this level. There's been a lot
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Speaker 1: of guys that have been outstanding numerically and on college
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Speaker 1: tape that haven't translated. And obviously, you know, whatever happens
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Speaker 1: with Cam Robinson will come into play here. He was
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Speaker 1: on the franchise tag last year just over thirteen million.
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Speaker 1: That bumps up. If your franchise the second time, I
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Speaker 1: believe the the offensive line like six team seventeen million
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Speaker 1: this year's it's a big numbers. So and the deadline
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Speaker 1: for that is marks eighth. Well, have a better idea
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Speaker 1: of what they're really thinking at tackle. That could obviously
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Speaker 1: change what happens in the draft then, and here's what's
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Speaker 1: fascinating about that. I have no idea if they're gonna
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Speaker 1: franchise came or not. Um, it's certainly a viable option
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Speaker 1: if they do it. But even if they don't, you
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Speaker 1: really haven't solved the question of if you know a
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Speaker 1: lot of years you would say, well, if if they
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Speaker 1: don't bring Cam back, they're automatically going to draft Evan Neil.
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Speaker 1: But you have Walker Little, who conceivably they just in
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Speaker 1: the second round last year. So if you let Cam go,
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Speaker 1: they can still have options to the top of the
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Speaker 1: draft because if if they go pass Rusher and you say,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna play Walker Little in he's our guy. He
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Speaker 1: played well the last two games. This is the strangest
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Speaker 1: uh thing to analyze the Jacko's offensive line right now,
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Speaker 1: because there are more moving parts on this position in
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Speaker 1: these few weeks than any position analysis that I've ever
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Speaker 1: covered on the stand. And they will there's such a
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Speaker 1: new staff and they haven't been able to get their
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Speaker 1: hands on the guys that are here yet, so they
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Speaker 1: haven't seen that in person yet. Well and Doug and
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Speaker 1: and all the coordinators said, it's just too early to
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Speaker 1: tell what your scheme is going to be, what your
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Speaker 1: line is gonna look like, how you're gonna play defense
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Speaker 1: until they have more time to see what they got.
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Speaker 1: Let's get to Aidan Hutchinson now from Michigan, the Heisman
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Speaker 1: Trophy runner up this past season, the third ever defensive
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Speaker 1: player to finish second in Heisman history, the Player of
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Speaker 1: the Year, and the Big Ten this past season. Big
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Speaker 1: Sack numbers athletic all over the place. The Michigan team
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Speaker 1: had a fantastic season. He was a major reason why.
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Speaker 1: And you know what, you can never have too many
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Speaker 1: good elite defensive lineman Jonathan And the thing you know
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Speaker 1: is he Bosa, Bosa Taylor And I'm sorry, Chase Young,
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Speaker 1: Is he one of those guys? Um if he is,
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Speaker 1: to take him and high five yourself back to Jackson,
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Speaker 1: the word is he's not at but but but if
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Speaker 1: he is, I mean you saw both to take the
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Speaker 1: game over here. I mean he just whether he made
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Speaker 1: the tackle or not, he was crashing down the line
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Speaker 1: and making Juwan Taylor reach, which just made everything go
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Speaker 1: for the Niners. The Jaguars couldn't deal with Bosa. If
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Speaker 1: he's that, I mean, yeah, you can't go. That's the
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Speaker 1: dilemma at the top this year is there's really not
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Speaker 1: a feeling and it could be wrong, but the feeling
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Speaker 1: among draftnicks is there's really not When you say is
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Speaker 1: he boasts say that quiet. Yeah, Uh, Evan Neil is
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Speaker 1: he you know, there's talk that he might move positions?
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Speaker 1: So is he absolutely elite? Uh? Maybe they are, But
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Speaker 1: that's the question. That's the conversation going on among draftnicks
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Speaker 1: right now. And I'm sure inside the warrant absolutely Cavon
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Speaker 1: Thibodeau another name has been mocked there occasionally to the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars as well on the defensive line. We've got plenty
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Speaker 1: of your head this and that. When we return, we'll
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Speaker 1: go with this or we'll go with that. That's the
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Speaker 1: name of the game, right. Yeah, I'm it's not easy.
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Speaker 1: You got this one making sure. I gotta don't, you know,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to mess things up on Tuesday morning.
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Speaker 1: This is Jack's Drive Time on the Jaguars Digital Network.
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Speaker 1: This over that, this over that. Welcome back at Jack's
17:53
Speaker 1: Drive Time. And as you could tell, it's time for
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Speaker 1: this or that, Brian, what you got for Well, let's
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Speaker 1: go right back to the argument. Do you keep Cam
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Speaker 1: or do you draft Evan? And I'll start and say
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Speaker 1: that I would draft Evan. I think Cam Robinson is
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Speaker 1: a much better player than people give him credit for. Um,
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Speaker 1: but I think he's probably about as good as he'll
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Speaker 1: ever be. And I don't know that he's the athlete
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Speaker 1: that Evan Neil is. You get um stronger, longer, cheaper,
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Speaker 1: younger at a premium position with a guy that's got
18:28
Speaker 1: incredible upside. And so I think I would draft Evan
18:31
Speaker 1: Neil and to take that cap room and apply to
18:34
Speaker 1: other places. Yeah, and then the counter argument also makes
18:38
Speaker 1: sense though. I mean, if true, you've got pieces on
18:41
Speaker 1: the offensive line that have served you good. You know,
18:47
Speaker 1: I can't call this offensive line last a couple of
18:48
Speaker 1: years great, but it has been again I use the
18:51
Speaker 1: phrase better than people, UH often believe. So there's so
18:57
Speaker 1: many needs on the roster that to keep Cam Robinson,
19:01
Speaker 1: who is I ain't gonna give up one sack last year.
19:05
Speaker 1: Was not a bad player at all. You know, he's
19:07
Speaker 1: a better player than people think. And you've got pieces,
19:09
Speaker 1: you know, conceivably put Walker Little at right tackle, Jowan
19:13
Speaker 1: Taylor inside, conceivably they have a a more than workable
19:19
Speaker 1: plan if they don't go your route with NFL starters
19:23
Speaker 1: who have done the job. So I definitely, but it's
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Speaker 1: gonna be one of those two. I would love to
19:32
Speaker 1: see them be dominant on the offensive that's what they
19:34
Speaker 1: haven't been dominant and your path makes sense to get
19:38
Speaker 1: to dominant. Let's move along. Um, well, I think Cam
19:44
Speaker 1: Robinson is a very good run blocker to you guys,
19:47
Speaker 1: that finished that physicality to him in a little bit
19:50
Speaker 1: of an edge to him that you know that this
19:52
Speaker 1: team could use. I think, uh, and there's you know
19:57
Speaker 1: and Nevin Evan Neils moved around. He's versatile if you
19:59
Speaker 1: really need him to be. I don't think you're drafting
20:01
Speaker 1: one overall to play it guard though. So you know,
20:04
Speaker 1: those are some big questions. And like you said, well earlier,
20:07
Speaker 1: Walker Little is there too. Is he ready? Is he
20:09
Speaker 1: the next step? The GM was here obviously he was
20:12
Speaker 1: around when they drafted him, but the coaching staff has
20:15
Speaker 1: not been. Do they like him enough? Do they want
20:17
Speaker 1: to move him up and elevate him? Those are all
20:19
Speaker 1: big questions. Yeah. I think that's the wild card there
20:22
Speaker 1: is Walker Little. You know, what is he is he elite?
20:28
Speaker 1: If they believe he's elite, then you probably go different
20:30
Speaker 1: directions John, keep us moving here on this or that? Yeah,
20:34
Speaker 1: And I went with, uh, you know, probably literally for
20:37
Speaker 1: early for draft talks. Since we've got the combine beIN
20:40
Speaker 1: as we've got to combine coming up, we'll go with it.
20:42
Speaker 1: Go conventional in the draft, which to me or go weird.
20:47
Speaker 1: Go conventional is either defensive line or offensive line, one
20:52
Speaker 1: of the two pass rushers or offensive tackle. Go weird
20:57
Speaker 1: is safety. Kyle Hamilton's from to day one of the
21:01
Speaker 1: wide receivers who really I don't think quite merit moving up.
21:05
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, taking number one, You've got Drake London, Uh,
21:10
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson, several guys usually I would you know, I
21:16
Speaker 1: don't think they'll go weird. But the argument for going
21:19
Speaker 1: weird is the one that we were having earlier in
21:21
Speaker 1: the show. There's really not a guy at number one
21:24
Speaker 1: who people are saying absolutely number one overall generational player.
21:29
Speaker 1: They think Kyle Hamilton's might be a safety like that.
21:32
Speaker 1: I The intriguing thing to me, j P would be
21:36
Speaker 1: if this was a year where Jamaar Chase was in
21:38
Speaker 1: the draft, or a elite number one wide receiver, one
21:42
Speaker 1: of your Bama guys, one of the nineteen guys who
21:44
Speaker 1: have come into the league. Would you know, if Jamison
21:48
Speaker 1: Wilman jameson you guy healthy, would it be a year
21:53
Speaker 1: where the Jaguars just went you know what we need
21:54
Speaker 1: impact there. I don't think they'll go weird because it's
21:58
Speaker 1: so hard to predict weirdness. But it is a year
22:01
Speaker 1: where as the draft gets closer, Uh, you may hear
22:06
Speaker 1: more talk of something like that than you normally would.
22:08
Speaker 1: I think they go conventional, So I would agree with you,
22:11
Speaker 1: although I just got done saying that. In his book, Uh,
22:13
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson talks about not wanting to block himself in
22:17
Speaker 1: and limit himself. Um, so it probably will be getting
22:20
Speaker 1: difficult to get him to say, well, it's gonna be
22:22
Speaker 1: offensive defensive line coach, because he'll want to keep it open.
22:25
Speaker 1: I think the only player worth going weird for is
22:27
Speaker 1: the Hamilton's kid, the safety from Notre Dame, because he's
22:30
Speaker 1: almost six four and two thirty pounds and runs well
22:33
Speaker 1: and is that outlier. I mean he's Ed Reid and
22:35
Speaker 1: some people have said he's got Ed Reid in a
22:38
Speaker 1: much bigger body. Well, I mean you couldn't go wrong
22:40
Speaker 1: with that. Safety scare people, But as you said, I
22:44
Speaker 1: don't think you've ever been a safety taken in the
22:45
Speaker 1: modern Here's the any of the draft. Not number one.
22:48
Speaker 1: Sean Taylor was four, I think, and it may have
22:50
Speaker 1: been one higher. But if do you think that, if
22:53
Speaker 1: you think Evan Neil or the pass rushers are good,
22:58
Speaker 1: and you think that Kyle Hamilton's Sean Taylor ed Reid
23:03
Speaker 1: when it's that elite that position, I don't think he
23:06
Speaker 1: would do it. It was an elite center, I still
23:08
Speaker 1: don't think he would do it. Probably not. But at
23:10
Speaker 1: the safety, you know, well, maybe he gets weird, like
23:14
Speaker 1: weird because of what he can do in the middle
23:16
Speaker 1: of the field. I mean, he's more than just a safety, right,
23:18
Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of those hybrid guys that I mean,
23:20
Speaker 1: if he told me, now, could I have ed read
23:22
Speaker 1: number one overalls taken? You probably take it. Here's the
23:25
Speaker 1: other thing about it is there are a bunch of
23:26
Speaker 1: good offensive tackles, some that will be available at the
23:29
Speaker 1: bottom of the first round. And so if there's someone
23:31
Speaker 1: who's sliding, you've got twelve picks. You can move back
23:34
Speaker 1: up if there's that guy that you like without a doubt.
23:38
Speaker 1: And then the other thing is there's a bunch of
23:39
Speaker 1: receivers that are going to be, you know, in that
23:41
Speaker 1: bottom third of the draft. So if somebody's sliding, you
23:44
Speaker 1: have twelve picks total. You can get it too. In
23:46
Speaker 1: the third round. You can vault up into the bottom
23:48
Speaker 1: of the first round and get one of those guys.
23:51
Speaker 1: So it's probably not as far off as you think
23:54
Speaker 1: that they can talk about Hamilton's let's get weird. I
23:58
Speaker 1: go that one. That's a line from a movie. Remember
24:00
Speaker 1: which movie? I'm sure a few stripes Murray, Yeah, and
24:05
Speaker 1: my this or that kind of goes to the theme
24:08
Speaker 1: of actually going conventional old line or d line. Well,
24:12
Speaker 1: the question I have here is which one needs or
24:16
Speaker 1: will have the most change at the end of this
24:19
Speaker 1: offseason on it. That's an interesting question because what's this
24:24
Speaker 1: defense going to look like? What kind of scheme will
24:26
Speaker 1: they really run? Who are the interior players, who are
24:29
Speaker 1: you gonna have, who you're adding? Are you keeping? What's
24:31
Speaker 1: going on there? And then the old line is a
24:33
Speaker 1: whole question mark as well. I I go offensive line. Um,
24:37
Speaker 1: I happen to just think that Evan Neil is the
24:39
Speaker 1: kind of guy because of his versatility and his run
24:42
Speaker 1: game and his reach, who creates dominance for you if
24:45
Speaker 1: you maneuver the offensive line right. Um, And so I
24:48
Speaker 1: would say offensive line because that the quarterbacks my number
24:51
Speaker 1: one priority, making him comfortable in the pocket. Yeah, they're
24:54
Speaker 1: both tricky spots because for the last couple of years,
24:59
Speaker 1: I've written abou the offensive line, I've written off and
25:02
Speaker 1: I it's good, but it needs to be great. You
25:06
Speaker 1: have that same feeling after last year about the defensive line.
25:09
Speaker 1: Good moments, you like Smoot, you like Josh Allen, you
25:13
Speaker 1: like some things these guys did, but was it great?
25:16
Speaker 1: And how do you get great in the NFL? Well,
25:19
Speaker 1: usually the safest way to do that is with the
25:21
Speaker 1: top ten pick I mean, that's what it's supposed to be.
25:25
Speaker 1: So which group do they? You know? I think there
25:29
Speaker 1: is in a sense, they're in a good spot because
25:31
Speaker 1: if you go into next season with smooth starting and
25:34
Speaker 1: with Josh Allen and with those guys, you know what
25:37
Speaker 1: those guys can give you, and and they've been services
25:40
Speaker 1: and not Josh have been more than services, but they've
25:42
Speaker 1: been okay. So they're in a good spot. They're not desperate.
25:46
Speaker 1: But which spot do they want to be great at?
25:48
Speaker 1: You would be great both? Which st is more important
25:50
Speaker 1: than to be great at? I can sit here one
25:53
Speaker 1: day and talk about defensive line, I can sit here
25:56
Speaker 1: the next day and talk about it because I would
25:58
Speaker 1: love to see them more disruptive on the quarterback. You
26:00
Speaker 1: just see the grades being equal. You know, oh, one
26:05
Speaker 1: guy just slightly ahead of the other. I mean it's
26:08
Speaker 1: and that's their subjectivity, right looking and saying, well, offensive
26:11
Speaker 1: line we place at a higher value. I mean, they're
26:13
Speaker 1: going to come in right next to each other. Grade Wise,
26:16
Speaker 1: you can't go wrong with either one of these guys
26:20
Speaker 1: if they are the players that we kind of believe
26:22
Speaker 1: they are. But you can create a dominant offensive or
26:26
Speaker 1: defensive line. What do they think is more important? And
26:29
Speaker 1: the X factor there is often to me, it feels
26:33
Speaker 1: harder to circle back at the top of the second
26:37
Speaker 1: and get great pass rush than it is to get okay,
26:40
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. And yeah, I don't know that to be true.
26:44
Speaker 1: You know, PFF might look at that and said it said,
26:47
Speaker 1: that's wrong. That's what it feels like. It's a harder
26:49
Speaker 1: to get elite pass rusher circling back because those guys
26:53
Speaker 1: are gone on the top fifteen, and then all of
26:54
Speaker 1: a sudden you can get Cam Robinson was the top
26:56
Speaker 1: of the second round. Well, that's true. We don't forget though,
26:58
Speaker 1: the Tony Brackens was to be a top five pick
27:01
Speaker 1: and they got him at the top of the second round,
27:02
Speaker 1: and there are plenty of guys. Justin Houston was a
27:04
Speaker 1: third round pick. Um uh. The guy from kans City, Allen,
27:09
Speaker 1: Jared Allen was a sixth round pick and he was
27:11
Speaker 1: a long snapper. So I mean you can it's how
27:13
Speaker 1: good of a scouting staff do you have? Right put
27:15
Speaker 1: the right grades on people and then pick that's this
27:20
Speaker 1: or that, And we'll come back in a moment with
27:22
Speaker 1: some final thoughts. It's Jags Drive Time on the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: Digital Network. Final Moments of Jack's Drive Time. J P.
27:37
Speaker 1: Shadrick in for Ashley Sullivan, Brian Sexton, John Osier coming
27:41
Speaker 1: up this week. Huddle up. We're gonna get with Bucky
27:44
Speaker 1: at some point. He's had a busy couple of weeks.
27:47
Speaker 1: We've got JAG's Happy Hour on Thursday afternoon. We're still on,
27:53
Speaker 1: you know, waiting for whatever happens with the executive vice
27:56
Speaker 1: president role. That's been relatively quiet lately. The Combines next week,
28:00
Speaker 1: of course, and then as we've mentioned, the the deadline
28:03
Speaker 1: for franchise tagging a player is March eighth. That's two
28:06
Speaker 1: weeks from today, so I think the window opens today
28:11
Speaker 1: and but usually on that the deadline in the last
28:15
Speaker 1: two or three days is when you have news. So
28:17
Speaker 1: it's open, but I expected to sit open for a
28:19
Speaker 1: while and then we'll say at the end of the
28:20
Speaker 1: word that period what happens with Perhaps Cam Robinson's the
28:25
Speaker 1: most likely to be discussed there. Maybe DJ Chark is
28:28
Speaker 1: about nineteen million, I think right. So what the other
28:30
Speaker 1: thing they could be doing in this two week windows
28:32
Speaker 1: negotiating and doing a long term deal and avoiding the franchise.
28:35
Speaker 1: That's an option too. They've got the cap room. If
28:37
Speaker 1: they like these guys and want to keep them, they
28:39
Speaker 1: can do a more cap friendly deal than the franchise.
28:43
Speaker 1: And that's why the franchise tag is there to incentivize
28:45
Speaker 1: teams to get deals done. Well, guys, thanks a lot.
28:49
Speaker 1: It's nice to the step and this is what the
28:52
Speaker 1: morning is like. Absolutely, it's nice to see up in
28:54
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28:57
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