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CLASSIC: Gustaf Broman Tried to Cross the Atlantic in a Canoe . . . Or Did He? · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: Oh, ridiculous historians. Have you ever tried to cross the
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  Speaker 1: Atlantic Ocean in a canoe? If so, boy, do we
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  Speaker 1: have a story for you.
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  Speaker 2: Gustav Brohman tried to do that very thing.
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  Speaker 1: You know how it is. It's eighteen ninety five. You
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  Speaker 1: look at a log as seater and you think, maybe
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  Speaker 1: I can make a sailboat out of it, and then
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  Speaker 1: maybe I can you know, go across the world.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, maybe not circumnavigate the globe, but maybe
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  Speaker 2: the next best thing. Also, you know, Shenanigans ensued. There
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  Speaker 2: are problems. This boat wasn't exactly the most seaworthy of vessels,
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  Speaker 2: but people took an interest in Broman's insane quest, as
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  Speaker 2: did we.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we did back in twenty eighteen. Here's the episode.
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  Speaker 1: were banding this story about at first, I was a
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  Speaker 1: little concerned that it might be and I pitched part
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  Speaker 2: Let's get dangerous exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So our story begins with a fellow named Gustaf Broman,
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  Speaker 1: g as I like to call him Broman. So Gustav
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  Speaker 1: Broman makes big news. We don't know a ton about
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  Speaker 1: his maybe his early life, but we do know when
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  Speaker 1: he popped in the eyes of the media, and that
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  Speaker 1: was in eighteen ninety five, he made a pretty astonishing
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  Speaker 1: and ambitious claim.
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  Speaker 2: He did he claimed, or dare I say, he announced
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  Speaker 2: unequivocally that he would sail a thirteen foot long boat
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  Speaker 2: made from a cedar log across the Atlantic Ocean. This
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  Speaker 2: big news, my friend, big poppin' news. He decreed it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: feeding frenzy.
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  Speaker 1: And remember, you know the late eighteen hundreds, this is
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  Speaker 1: a time when these sorts of stunts are tremendously popular. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So he would ride this log, which he called the
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  Speaker 1: Gustav Adolph the Second, in honor of, of course, the
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  Speaker 1: king of Sweden. Right, what else would you name a canoe?
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  Speaker 1: But here's the thing. His plan seemed pretty ridiculous just
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  Speaker 1: just from the beginning. So here's how he pitched his decree.
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  Speaker 1: He said, I'm going to sail across the Atlantic in
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  Speaker 1: this amazing boat I've made from a cedar log. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to start in Coos Bay, Oregon, which was then
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  Speaker 1: known as Marshfield, and then I'm gonna sail down the
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  Speaker 1: coast to San Francisco. Notice the Atlantic is nowhere in
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  Speaker 1: the picture here yet. And then he says, then I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna hop on a train with the boat and take
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  Speaker 1: the train across the country to New York.
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  Speaker 2: So he's got a thirteen foot boat. How is he
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  Speaker 2: transporting this thing? Like you he's got a shipping container.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's taking it on the he's hitting the rails
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  Speaker 1: with it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So this this idea seems seems pretty weird, Like why
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't you just start in New York?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, it's almost as though he's got ulterior motives.
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  Speaker 2: Ben almost And this is where we learned a really
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  Speaker 2: weird phrase or a phrase that was unfamiliar to us.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember that quote that was published about Gustav's
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  Speaker 2: journey which said, if arrangement can be made with the
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  Speaker 2: over land railroads, upon his arrival in San Francisco, he
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  Speaker 2: will place machinery in his boat or put around wheels,
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  Speaker 2: and by the use of naptha or electricity around her,
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  Speaker 2: direct to New York by rail and then prepare for
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  Speaker 2: a transatlantic voyage. I'm sorry naphtha.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So, what the heck is naphtha? At first, I
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  Speaker 1: was confused because there's a brand of laundry soap called
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  Speaker 1: Fell's Naphtha, which is used for treating stains. But the
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  Speaker 1: is a flammable liquid hydrocarbon mixture.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a fuel.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fuel, natural gas, petroleum distillates, distallation, cold tar,
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  Speaker 1: and peat and in different areas and regions in different times.
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  Speaker 1: It could also just be a word for crude oil
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  Speaker 1: or refined products like kerosene. So let's amend this. On
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  Speaker 1: my part, he was riding the rails, but he was
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  Speaker 1: going to make his boat into a miniature train car
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  Speaker 1: that was part of his stick, so it would actually
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  Speaker 1: ride the rails itself in end on wheels.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, I'd like to see that people have done that.
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  Speaker 1: There's a I have some car stuff episodes in the
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  Speaker 1: back about like a rocket sled on rails and things
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  Speaker 1: of that nature. But what happened next? How did he
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  Speaker 1: get all this? How did he accomplish all these amazing things?
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  Speaker 2: Well, Ben, he didn't, my friend, he just didn't. It
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  Speaker 2: was what they call a fool's air. And it was
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  Speaker 2: almost as though, no, it was as though he never
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  Speaker 2: really intended on having success in any of these. Like
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  Speaker 2: you said earlier, it seems a little like he's going around,
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  Speaker 2: as you know, something to get to with something else. Right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and why do it this way? It just seems utterly
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  Speaker 2: wrong headed. And it was, and he had no intention
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  Speaker 2: of completing this mission right.
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  Speaker 1: Four thousand people reportedly came to watch him attempt to
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  Speaker 1: sail down the coast again into San Francisco. His ship,
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  Speaker 1: which was pretty impractical, was immediately blown into a sandbar
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  Speaker 1: far enough from sure that nobody could get close enough
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  Speaker 1: to ask him what was going on, And he just.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of hung out there for a while. He was
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  Speaker 2: out of reach, he was out of reach from any assistance,
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  Speaker 2: and then finally, luckily the tides were on his side
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  Speaker 2: and they kind of got him moving again.
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  Speaker 1: The tides got him moving again, and on March fourteenth
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  Speaker 1: of eighteen ninety five, he arrived in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: Aboard the steamer or wait, not on the Gustav Adolf No,
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  Speaker 2: it was in the cargo. Really, yeah, why, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's a little it's a little suspicious. So the
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  Speaker 1: La Times reported that the captain of the steamer had
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  Speaker 1: taken Gustav Browman aboard to prevent him from drowning as
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  Speaker 1: his boat capsized over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 2: We're getting some of this info from a fantastic article
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  Speaker 2: on slate dot com called Meet Gustav Broman, the nineteenth
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  Speaker 2: century man who attempted to cross the Atlantic in a
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  Speaker 2: log boat, by Matthew Dessum. And there's some great excerpts
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  Speaker 2: from reporting from the time, and there's a really good
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  Speaker 2: AP headline we're going to get to in a little
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  Speaker 2: bit that just makes me fills me with joy. But
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  Speaker 2: here's a little excerpt from the San Francisco call piece.
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  Speaker 2: They were not feeling mister Browman's boat situation or his
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  Speaker 2: what do you call somebody that makes boats a ship,
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  Speaker 2: a shipwright, a ship rights? Is that what it is?
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  Speaker 1: A boat rights? Between a ship and a boat.
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  Speaker 2: That's the question. I would say this is more of
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  Speaker 2: a boat.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's give him some crowd. Let's call him
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  Speaker 1: a boat right.
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  Speaker 2: A boat right. They took issue with his boat right
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  Speaker 2: ting skills and had this to say. The craft, fitted
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  Speaker 2: with contrivances never before seen on land or sea, and
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  Speaker 2: having more depth than beam, is about his safe for
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  Speaker 2: passenger service. It's a bale of hay, they said. They laughed,
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  Speaker 2: not content with the natural crankiness consequent upon its unship
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  Speaker 2: like construction. The architect has riveted brass, chain.
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  Speaker 3: Plates and other articles to the rail and deck absurd,
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  Speaker 3: which further raises her center of gravity, making her an
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  Speaker 3: elegant and graceful capsize her if it is safe to
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  Speaker 3: say that the bold navigator will navigate his uncanny and
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  Speaker 3: uninteresting craft into some fake museum. They are really given
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  Speaker 3: it to him here, and it would be proven that
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  Speaker 3: she was designed not for ocean travel but for the
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  Speaker 3: midway nickel trade.
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  Speaker 1: And they had a good laugh. So you ad lived
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  Speaker 1: a lot of that. Yeah, I really appreciate how you
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  Speaker 1: were going from Matt Berry at the beginning. I think, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's a true description. Yeah, like that's that's we have
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  Speaker 1: to emphasize that. You can you can feel the snark
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  Speaker 1: on the San Francisco call, but everything they're saying about
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  Speaker 1: this log boat is absolutely accurate.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's true. I was just more tickled by the
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  Speaker 2: very haughty, toughty nature of the sick burns in this Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah, that's what I mean. That's what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: like snarky. And they have that one line in the
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  Speaker 1: end from that excerpt says she was designed not for
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  Speaker 1: ocean travel, but for the midway nickel trade. And they
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  Speaker 1: were right that this boat seemed designed for something else,
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  Speaker 1: but they didn't know what the actual scheme was. You
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  Speaker 1: see Gustav Broman and again his real name, as far
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  Speaker 1: as we know, was sort of already a celebrity, just
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  Speaker 1: not in boding circles. He was a celebrity to law enforcement.
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  Speaker 1: Police across California knew about this guy. And as soon
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  Speaker 1: as his boat made the news is what is his
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  Speaker 1: elegant capsizing boat? That's law enforcement contacted reporters and gave
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  Speaker 1: them the hitherto unknown full details of Broman's life story.
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  Speaker 1: And this is where it gets stranger and stranger. We
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  Speaker 1: mentioned that earlier ap wire headline, which is which is beautiful?
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  Speaker 1: A Russian finn. He is a funny kind of finny cuss. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: a finny cuss, A finny cuss. But there is a
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  Speaker 1: method in his cussedness, for with all his evil doings,
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  Speaker 1: he always comes out on top.
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  Speaker 2: Uh huh. So this is where we learn about Gustav
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  Speaker 2: Broman and his rap sheet that was like a mile long.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, so you want to through some
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  Speaker 1: of these examples.
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  Speaker 2: Boy, howdie do? I Yeah? A funny kind of finny cuss. Indeed,
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  Speaker 2: so apparently he was known all over California for running
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  Speaker 2: a series of varying degrees of bonkers scams. And now
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  Speaker 2: I'm laughing, but like one of them, particular is really
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  Speaker 2: cold blooded, right, Ben.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, one is definitely not. Look, we are often tempted
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  Speaker 1: to paint hilarious cartoonish con artist as what they are,
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  Speaker 1: you know, buffoons, but we have to remember that a
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  Speaker 1: lot of these people are cold blooded, right, So this
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  Speaker 1: is a reptilian thing. Gustav Broman makes his law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: debut in San Pedro, Los Angeles County. He is arrested
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  Speaker 1: for or he had a hotel keeper arrested for robbing
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  Speaker 1: him aboute hundred dollars, but then later in court it
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  Speaker 1: was proved there was nothing more than a blackmailing scheme
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  Speaker 1: that Broman had come up with to try to extort
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  Speaker 1: money from the hotel. He ended up getting caught essentially
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  Speaker 1: sleeping around with several women and citizens when they found
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  Speaker 1: out about his deceptive nature, literally tarred and feathered him
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  Speaker 1: and drove him out of town.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, people really did that? Yeah, people did that. That's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: So not only was he a cuss, he was also
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  Speaker 2: a lech. Yes, he was both a cuss and a leech.
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  Speaker 2: A lecherous cuss, a lecherous cuss or a cussed letch. Right,
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  Speaker 2: I like that a lot, Ben cussrois letch sure, No,
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  Speaker 2: we're just churchifying words at this point. But I like cussorists.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a filthy susceress, rightactly. So this this, although
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  Speaker 2: it may sound endearing because there's that instant karma that
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  Speaker 2: hits him, this doesn't really illustrate the true nature of
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  Speaker 2: this guy's behavior. The real reptilian stuff occurs in Santa Cruz,
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  Speaker 2: where he and his brother lived in what was described
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  Speaker 2: as a shamp. Yeah, and there's some outdated language in
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  Speaker 2: this one. The ap refers to his brother as an imbecil,
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  Speaker 2: which today would obviously be considered a pretty nasty pejorative.
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  Speaker 2: At the time was like it was actually a medical diagnosis.
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  Speaker 2: I believe, right, it is correct for somebody with developmental disabilities.
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  Speaker 2: That a fair way of saying it been.
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  Speaker 1: That's a very fair way of putting it comes from
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  Speaker 1: the Latin word imbecillis meaning weak or weak minded, and
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  Speaker 1: at the time it included people at in IQ between
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  Speaker 1: twenty six and fifty according to the testing methods they used.
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  Speaker 2: It's right, and I believe there was even a time
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  Speaker 2: where people that were categorized as that were sterilized. There
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  Speaker 2: was forced sterilization of folks that were classified as being
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  Speaker 2: of lower IQ. It was a whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you have the morbid interest in this,
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  Speaker 1: we can break it down for you. At the time
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  Speaker 1: when people use this sort of terminology as a description
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  Speaker 1: of cognitive ability as they saw it, imbecile was in
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  Speaker 1: between idiot and moron. So an idiot was NIQ of
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  Speaker 1: zero to twenty five, imbecile twenty six to fifty, and
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  Speaker 1: moron was fifty one to seventy. So these were these
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  Speaker 1: pejoratives have very specific meanings.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And again they were more or less
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  Speaker 2: like DSM level diagnoses or you know terms anyway, So
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  Speaker 2: Gustav's brother was in that was that in the middle
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  Speaker 2: category of what you discussion yep, yep, yeah. So he
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  Speaker 2: was certainly not someone that could fully take care of himself,
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  Speaker 2: and his brother really took advantage of that in the
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  Speaker 2: most ungodly awful way you could possibly imagine.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he committed he quite possibly you had to say
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  Speaker 1: that he quite possibly committed fratricide. He took out two
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  Speaker 1: insurance policies on his brother's life, one four five thousand
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  Speaker 1: dollars and the other for three thousand dollars. And let's
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  Speaker 1: let's go to a handy inflation calculator here, just to
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  Speaker 1: see how much money that actually was. All right, casey,
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  Speaker 1: if we could have that handy dandy inflation calculator, sound
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  Speaker 1: cue please, so people know it's working and we're not
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  Speaker 1: just making this up.
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  Speaker 2: Perfect.
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  Speaker 1: Three thousand dollars in the eighteen nineties would equal a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more than eighty six thousand dollars, and five
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars would equal around one hundred and forty three
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars, almost one hundred and forty four thousand, So
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  Speaker 1: these were significant amounts of money. And took these two
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  Speaker 1: insurance policies out on his brother's life. And then what
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  Speaker 1: happened not a month later, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The shanty burned to the ground with the brother inside,
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  Speaker 2: and he was also burned to the ground. The insurance
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  Speaker 2: companies say this is sketchy. Yeah, of course it was.
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  Speaker 2: It's never it's always a red flag when you take
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  Speaker 2: out an insurance policy on someone then a month later
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  Speaker 2: they die in a tragic accident. That's that's not a
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  Speaker 2: good look.
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  Speaker 1: For test of And so the insurance companies say, we're
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  Speaker 1: not going to pay this is ridiculous. The cops arrest
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  Speaker 1: Broman and he is charged with arson and murder, and
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  Speaker 1: it does go to trial.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a woman at the trial who really
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  Speaker 2: reads in the Riot Act and gives a very strongly
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  Speaker 2: worded testimony against him. But he received a new trial,
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  Speaker 2: and she kind of changed her tune a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: almost as though she were coerced or arm twisted in
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  Speaker 2: some way. Ben, that is that what you're thinking of?
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  Speaker 2: Or turned you know, you can flip does what they
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  Speaker 2: call it? Him the mob? Right right?
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  Speaker 1: Nobody ever went broke betting on other people's moral failings,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So he was discharged, he
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  Speaker 1: got the insurance money, and then afterwards they learned that
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  Speaker 1: the woman changed her testimony because he promised to give
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  Speaker 1: her a large a large lumpus scratch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a big.
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  Speaker 1: Guy if she would not testify against him on that
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  Speaker 1: that second go round. And then he I guess maybe
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  Speaker 1: he cleaned up his act a little bit nol because
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  Speaker 1: he moved to San Francisco and decided he was.
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  Speaker 2: Going to be a decent man. Well he was a
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  Speaker 2: he was a wealthy man at this point, right. He
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  Speaker 2: got those uh, those insurance payouts. That's true, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It wasn't It wasn't like a millionaire money,
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  Speaker 2: but enough to start a new life and in a
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  Speaker 2: new town, sure at that time. Yeah, so you met
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  Speaker 2: a nice lady. You met a nice, nice woman.
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  Speaker 1: She was named you will hear, alternately described as Missus
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  Speaker 1: Lee Roy or simply Missus Roy. She was both a
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  Speaker 1: widow and wealthy.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, the old married the wealthy widow scamed on to
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  Speaker 2: that one.
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  Speaker 1: W W, which is the origin of the I R
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  Speaker 1: S tax form, the W two.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, is that true? Probably? Maybe? Okay, Okay, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to choose to believe that because that's what I do.
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  Speaker 2: So what happened, What happened, Well, what happened was he
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  Speaker 2: he put a ring on it on Missus Leroy a
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  Speaker 2: quite a a big old rock, a very valuable diamond ring.
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  Speaker 1: So things look to be, you know, optimistic, trending toward
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  Speaker 1: perhaps a happy ending. If we want to believe in
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  Speaker 1: the inherent goodness of all people.
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  Speaker 2: You mean, the idea that people change, that people can
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  Speaker 2: change for the better. What is it you always say, ben,
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  Speaker 2: people don't really change.
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  Speaker 1: That He's become more people. We say, people change, And
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  Speaker 1: that's true, But it's a misnomer. As time goes on,
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  Speaker 1: we've become more concentrated versions of ourselves.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like it was happening with our boy,
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  Speaker 2: our boy Broman here.
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  Speaker 1: Possibly the police did not believe that he had turned
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  Speaker 1: over a new leaf. They had heard that Broman was
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  Speaker 1: back in town.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, we got our eye on you, Broman, because
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  Speaker 2: this is the time, this is the time in American
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: history where you could actually.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Have someone go into a town and then one of
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: the towns people say, you got a lot of nerves
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: showing your face around here, you know what I mean.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that still happens in the US anymore.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: That's probably where the expression get right out of town
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: came from. We should bring that back. That's good. I
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: like to use it from time to time. You know what,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I think it fits. I think it's really well no,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: but I only use it in anger when I want
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: someone to literally leave town forever. But I say it
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: in kind of a funny way. So they are, they're
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: typically confused. They're probably getting mixed message. I get right
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: out of town and then they go and I'm like, no, go,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I don't want you here.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Well, I hope you don't have too many of those situations. Man,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: it sounds like real, real weird Larry David moment.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: Ben, I am flush with enemies, sir.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Flushed with enemies, Well then you might have something in
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: common with Broman. I hope none of your enemies or
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: in law enforcement, they they say, you know, we know
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: what you're doing. You have a lot of noise coming
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: back here, and we don't have anything on you yet,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: but we know how you operate, Gustav, so we strongly
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: advise you to leave the state.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Don't make this ugly. Yeah, you're right, Ben, he was
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: definitely flushed with enemies. It looks almost as though he
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: never met a man or woman that he didn't turn
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: into an enemy. As it turns out, the woman from
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Santa Cruz, who herself not a particularly law abiding citizen,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: she flouted the law, flipped her testimony in exchange for
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: ill gotten blood money, you know, from the cold blooded
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: burning alive of a person with a developmental disability. She
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: was going to take that money and run with it.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: But hey, surprise, surprise, she got her instant karma too,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: and he didn't pay. Could have told her that was coming.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Not exactly a shamal uh huh. So she came a
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: gun in for him, didn't she bet? And he knew
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: a knife, and he knew that the cops were on
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: the way. This angry person from Sara Cruz was threatening
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: to kill him, and if she really wanted to burn
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: down the house, she could also take him to jail
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: for witness tampering, knowing that she would get charged with perjury.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: So he took the famous advice that so many sketchy
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: people have received were given to one another throughout the years,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: and he high tailed it from Mexico. He went south
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: of the border. He went down south to get out
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: of the heat, you know what I mean, wait for
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: it to die down totally. And there he would remain
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: ben for a year's time. I don't know, I don't
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: know why I'm talking late. I think it's from the
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: AP report that we read in the old timy language.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I'm just kind of like lapsing into that little bit.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: And yeah, year's time, and there he took his constitutional indeed,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: well the better part of four seasons, yes time. And
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: as the seasons passed and the heat dissipated, so broman
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: sallied forth yet again for these States United, mopping his
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: brow against them heat of the Mexican son. Yes, yes,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: And so he returned to California. He was next heard
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: of in Sacramento, Sacramento, which is the state capital of California.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: There we go, nailed it.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Huh uh, Casey, can we get a correct answer game show?
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: That's perfect? How about can I get a little round
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: of applause to a little pat on the back? Sound it? Now?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: It's fine. Any of that stuff if you want it, thanks, Casey.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: So Broman has returned and he's been living in Sacramento.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: He had been visiting the house of a woman whose
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: last name was Brown, and he went to the chief
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: of police with a story, and he said, look, I
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: know we have a history, but I am coming to
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: you as a victim.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: Chief. I've been robbed. I've been robbed of eight grand
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: You gotta help me eight dodge? Yeah, A big ones
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: and big ones. What's some other colloquialisms for one thousand
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: dollars eight? Uh oh?
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: And some writing It would be a my l but
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense spoken fair Yeah.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Uh, we could make them up. Simolinas there you go. Yeah,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: isn't simolina the stuff that's in pasta. Yeah, it's also
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Simolino flower. Yeah, that's why. That's that's what it is. Yeah,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: the flower, that's that that makes the pasta. Let's so
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: we should keep going. Oh, I'm I have a question
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: for you. Yes, what's the point of different pasta shapes? Oh?
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Some of them hold sauces better in different ways, because
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: it's really it's like surface area. I've always been wondering that.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Thank you, man, that's what I that's what I heard.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I'm also just making this up, and I want to
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: come clean with everybody. I don't know if W two
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: stands for wealthy widow. Write to your local I R
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: S agent and ask them. Yeah, they'll they'll, they'll be
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: they'll get right back to you.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I'm sure.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Tell them, we tell them. Tell them it's a matter
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: of national security. Man, we're really we're really dog paddling
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: on this one. Well wait, we got that Broman. Broman though,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: this is an interesting turn, right, he goes to the cops,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: have all people what why would he do that? Because
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: he said he got robbed of eight Semolino's.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Large But this man's on the BOLO list at every
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: sheriff's office from Tijuana to San Luis Obisbo.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: It's speaking of like different times, not only to do
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the officers agreed to investigate this house with him, but
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: they let him come along as they execute the search warrant.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: That's not done. That's not normal. No, I couldn't do that.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I don't think they would do that. It was a
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: different time. It was a different time. So what happens
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: when they go in there, Well, the detectives, search, detectives, officers,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: whatever you want to call him. They searched the premises
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: and they found twenty bucks in gold. It's kind of
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: a lot if you do the inflation thing. What's that about?
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Two hundred bucks? I don't know. I'm just underspitball in
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: it here. You want to do it for real? Oh yeah,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: let's do it for real. Wh'm not so twenty dollars.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: In again around the eighteen nineties would be five hundred
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: and seventy five dollars six cents.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you know, a decent little haul. And he
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Browman told them that he this was something he did.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: He's like, he's like the crazy old lady that keeps
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: all our money in a mattress, only he keeps his
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: under the carpet or hidden beneath the floorboards because of experience. Right, well,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: he'd been robbed. I wonder why, he said, Oh see,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: you believe me now, I got robbed once before, and
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: since then, I always mock my coin, meaning what like
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: like he writes his name on it, like he maybe
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: puts a specific scratch on it so you can see.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I got dipsies that those are mine. I hate touching
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: change so much. I neative it. Would you consider a
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: gold piece change though? I would probably have to just
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: suck it up and touch it, like put it in
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: your mouth. Yeah, no, I'm sorry, Sorry, sorry, I've triggered you. Well.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: No, he told the officer to look behind a mirror,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: and then the officer found it diamond ring. The police said, okaya,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: did he have to tell.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: The officers this is definitely my coin because this is
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: what the marketing looks like. Yes, yeah, he did that. Okay,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I'm with you now, I'm back. I'm back in it.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Because that proved he was associated right totally. But the
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: police for some reason still did not believe he was
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: on the up and up, and they said, you know what,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I think he's I don't know what he's getting up
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: to But he's up to something by gum.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, did he really think he was gonna like
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: bamboozle some actual police officers to help him rob somebody's house.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Doesn't that seem kind of seem like what's going on here?
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: So he's a real bold fellow, this Gustav Broman.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: So an officer came from Sacramento to obtain his record
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: at the request of at the request of the police.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: And remember missus Lee Roy or Missus Roy the lado
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: on Vallejos Street. She gets subpoened.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: She didn't ask for any of this. Ben's not She's
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: just a wealthy widow caught in this man's crossfire. You know,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: it's not right. It's not right.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: So it turns out Broman had the widow arrested for
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: stealing the diamond ring that.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: He gave her. I'm sorry, all class, just adding insult
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: to injury with what a D what a giant D.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And the judge was like, lady, you know this
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: is these this is tough, This is tough all around you.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Schev Broman arrested for perjury. So you know, she swore
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: out a warrant, but apparently it was never solved and
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the case in Sacramento was dismissed.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Back to the top of the story. Yes, I'm a
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: little confused about what he had to gain from this
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: whole log jammin situation. Ah, there's an answer. Oh good,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: there's an answer. Okay. So I was confused too, because
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: it was like.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I don't quite His schemes seemed to become more and
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: more ridiculous, you know, increasingly circuitous.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I always mock my coin, mock my coin. I pee
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: on all of them.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Right, it's a it's very strange. It's like Tommy in
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: the Spoons, you know. But here is the theory. The
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: theory comes from a guy named Detective Anthony, who was
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: one of the many law enforcement officials familiar with Broman's escapades.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: This detective believes that Broman had purposely made a terribly,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: terribly substandard boat because he wanted it to look like
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the kind of thing that would easily sink, because he
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: was planning on the boat to be found bottom up
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: in some beach, and he was going to essentially commit
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: pseudo side, our favorite the word for faking one's death.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Detective Anthony specifically says Broman will probably have his life
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: insured for a big sum, and after the boat has found,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: a confederate will apply for the insurance money and he
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: and Broman will share it. That is my belief from
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: my knowledge of this man.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Question. Sorry, I keep asking on this important. Why do
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: this so conspicuously? Why make a big show of it
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: so a bunch of witnesses that makes no sense, witnesses
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: to his sad demise. Yes, okay, I guess that makes
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, four thousand people really did see him
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: do it, And now now we see why he was
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: going to sail down the coast to San Francisco first,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: and it made up this cocka made me story about
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: what he was going to do by turning his boat
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: into a railcar.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: He had to be no intention of doing that.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Now he wanted somewhere between Marshfield and San Francisco for
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: his boat. He won to disappear and of his boat
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: wash up on a remote area.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: You got to give this guy at least a little
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: bit of credit for his massive massive that's true. See,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: that's so massive. That's probably what kept capsizing the boat
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: quite possibly, quite possibly. So how does Detective Anthony's theory
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: measure up up? It measures. It measures what happened. What happened?
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he had a fifteen thousand dollars in life
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: insurance policy that he took out on himself from the
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: United States Accident Insurance Association. Upon discovering this whole scheme,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: promptly canceled his policy. Probably good business move to do that.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Surely this guy's reputation for insurance fraud or at least
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: his like. Because here's the thing, even when you get
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: paid out for insurance policies, doesn't that make it harder
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: to get insured again? I guess he insured his brother
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: before though, But what a series of red flags? You think?
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the tough thing. There's a great book called
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Playing Dead which details the ways in which people can
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: attempt to fake their deaths. And the thing that gets
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: most people caught is when they attempt to receive some
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: kind of money from an insurance agency or a will.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Because to do that you have to have someone you
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: can trust who is able to collect for you, and
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: they don't really have any compelling reason to hold up
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: their side of the bargain.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I do.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: It's also very very difficult to fake your death, just
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: in case you're wondering, what can I, in this modern
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: age do to make my life more interesting? Don't don't
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: try to fake your death so that maybe in lieu
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: of a comic book recommendation, we could just do a
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: book recommendation. Yeah, you read books playing Dead. I read
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: A Plane Dead, A Journey through the World of Death
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Fraud by Elizabeth Greenwood.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Weren't we gonna maybe have an opportunity to interview miss Greenwood?
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: We did. We did stuff that I want you to know.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Uh huh, yeah, it never quite happened. It was that
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: that was our fault. I think I think we were
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: the ones who dropped the ball. And now it's like
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: sort of like forgetting someone's name and then knowing them
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: for years and then having to file it's too late.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: You can't ask them any and we.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Can follow I can follow up with the email thread
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: from twenty sixteen.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: I have an idea, what's your idea, Let's do it
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: for this show, and then it'll be like a fresh start.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: There we go, and let's pretend to be different people
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: about that. What's your what's your alter ego of choice lately?
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Ah man, I'm not going to say it on ex
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Powers astronaut with a secrets. Oh that's a go to. Yeah,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Max Powers astronaut with a secret. Mine is Neil Braun,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Neil bra Neil Braun. There we go. I'm a I'm
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: a German attache. Nice, I like it, or maybe I'll
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: be Swedish nice. Nice.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Well, Doug, I have been using the alias Casey Pegram
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: for quite some time, and I'm sorry about that. Casey,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I did have to stop. I don't know which one
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: of us it was, but the heat got pretty bad
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: at jfk Oh boy, Yeah.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: You've sullied my good name.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I think you sullied my fantastic alias Casey. Or maybe
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: there's a third Casey Pegrim out there.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: There is, I've seen him on Google.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: What Yeah, oh that's the one.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Then I was just having fun at a at Applebee's.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: You like apple Bee's too, Yeah? You, I'll go to
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: an apple Bee's. What's their signature appetizer? Chicken crispers chicken? Yeah,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: some kind of chicken thing. We have to ask full
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Deck in about all mission control. Deck is a huge
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: fan of the apple Bee's because apparently, when you're there
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: your family, No, that's Olive Gard.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: What are you at Applebee's. It's your friendly neighborhood grill.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: There you go, there you go.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: And by the way, I love the Montrella sticks.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Monzarella sticks are usually you can't really mess up monzerella sticks.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I've seen it happens, it can.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: Happen, they've but they do a good job of it.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: Over at the Bees.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: You like there at the Bees. So what you're saying
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: is they have a nice crispy exterior and a nice soft,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: gouey into and they're not so hot they burned the
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: roof of your mouth, and they're evenly cooked. And are
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: they are seasoned?
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, all the above.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, so one time this this has nothing to do
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: with the story of We're done right, We're basically we're
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: just kind of world now. We're just talking about talking
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: about or other chain restaurants. We're bringing some other restaurants.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I was this thing about Applebee's for a long time.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I thought Paul was just pretending to like it, but
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: he's serious. We were on a video shoot one day
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: and Casey, were you with that one?
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Absolutely?
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: I was. Yeah.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: So we were on a video shoot one day years back,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: and I think I was I was field producing or something.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I say, okay, well we've we've wrapped this up. This
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: is a great shoot. Time, it's time to grab lunch.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: And we jokingly suggested to Paul that there was an
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Applebee's nearby. He lost his mind and he had this
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: this shining, almost noble, childlike glee.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: I looked at it more as the the look of
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: a madman. It's very similar. Yeah, kind of eyes glazed over, weird.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Rick to smile and we went and I think his
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: his joy, his jubilation was contagious. So if you ever
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: want to make Paul deck and stay or apparently Casey pegram's,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: then just uh, send us some send us some Applebee's tickets.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Is that the right word.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Gift cards or something?
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Gift cards? You can buy those at your friendly neighborhood Kroger, CBS.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Even Yeah, or you could just leave us a review
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: on your podcast app of choice.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, please do, and don't don't don't be too harsh
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: on us for this little rambling tangent of an ending
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: the episode. We don't do it that often. I don't
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: think we're having a good time. We're at the very
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: end of the year and the end of our ropes,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: and there are so many There are so many casual
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: dining restaurants that we didn't get to mention. What about
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: bob Evans. Was that the one that's uh, that's like
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: only in like Pennsylvania, maybe Canada to rest and stuff. Yeah,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: their slogan is everybody is somebody at bob Evans. Oh
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: that's you know, the sinister It's also very like, yeah,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: we're all we're all people. We're all here at bob Evans.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Have some pancakes so existential. Yeah we are. We are
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: punchy as can be today. I love it. The universe
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: is chaotic and meaningless at bob Evans. Bob Evans, Ben,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: we got to get out of here. Get but you
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: know what this is the No, it's not true. We're
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  Speaker 2: in record. No, it's true. Yeah, this is the third
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  Speaker 2: This is.
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  Speaker 4: The Christmas episode. If you want to plug that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh oh, Casey says it's Christmas. Oh yeah. Very popular holidays,
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  Speaker 2: very popular holiday, uh, you know, celebrated by the religious
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  Speaker 2: and the secular alike, especially in the US, especially in
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  Speaker 2: the US. So happy holidays, Merry Christmas, whatever you want
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  Speaker 2: to call it. To you and yours, hope you are
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  Speaker 2: having a wonderful time.
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  Speaker 1: On one more orbit round the sun, and as you
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  Speaker 1: look back on twenty eighteen, we hope you find it
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  Speaker 1: more full of fond memories than unpleasant ones. We hope
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  Speaker 1: that you, regardless of your personal beliefs, get some get
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  Speaker 1: some quality time in with your family. If you have
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  Speaker 1: that favorite movie watch, or you have that favorite board
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  Speaker 1: game or that family tradition, get together and play it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Happy holidays, all the best from all of us.
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  Speaker 2: To all of you. Should old acquaintance be forgot on
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  Speaker 2: days of old Lengthston lengths lengths sign Gustaff Broman.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, oh oh oh, before we go this
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  Speaker 1: is we had to actually travel back in time.
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  Speaker 2: We actually never even explained what the milkshake Duck was.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Right to make this correction because uh, and that was
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I had explicitly promised that it was.
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  Speaker 2: The first sentence of the show.
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  Speaker 1: So to explain what a milkshake Duck is, we have
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  Speaker 1: to give a shout out to a Twitter feed called
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: a very pixelated boat Christmas and this No, Noel, you
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  Speaker 1: said you had never heard of this before.
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  Speaker 2: Now I only heard of it like the other day.
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  Speaker 2: Super producer Casey Pegrim turned me onto it.
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  Speaker 1: And I think you know what casey, if you're okay
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  Speaker 1: with it, could you read the tweet that gave us
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  Speaker 1: the phrase milkshake duck.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So this is a tweet originally tweeted out June twelfth,
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  Speaker 5: of twenty sixteen, and it has already kind of entered
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  Speaker 5: the Internet lexicon as like shorthand for this phenomenon. So
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  Speaker 5: it says, the whole Internet loves milkshake duck, a lovely
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  Speaker 5: duck that drinks milkshakes. Five seconds later, we regret to
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  Speaker 5: inform you the duck is racist.
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  Speaker 2: Ah Man.
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  Speaker 1: So Gustav Brohman in that case, in this sense, is
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: a milk shaped duck, because he was, for a very
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: brief time, this American hero.
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