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The Legacy of Unshackled with Phil Kwiatkowski & When Approval Becomes a Trap with Debra Fileta · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew.
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  S2: Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome what seems
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  S2: impossible and live as you never imagined.
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  S1: Delivering the truth daily.
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  S3: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available.
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  S3: And you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
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  S3: that would make it worth it.
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  S4: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
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  S4: the life source, which is God.
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  S5: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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  S5: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
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  S5: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and crew.
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  S2: Yeah, 100 years. My goodness, it's been going a while here.
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  S2: And some of you been listening a long time. 805. Five. Five. 78. 98.
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  S2: Got a lot of text messages coming in. We got
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  S2: to have you call in to win a Carl and
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  S2: Crew prize pack. So if you've been listening probably 60
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  S2: years or more for sure, take a shot at this thing, man.
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  S2: We'll see if you win a Carl and Crew prize pack.
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  S2: Let's go to Jack Elk Grove Village, Illinois. What do
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  S2: you say, Jack? How long you been listening to Moody Radio?
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  S6: Uh, since 1967.
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  S2: 67. That's a long haul, my man.
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  S6: Yeah, and, uh, Lawrence Pearson was the head of the
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  S6: Moody Alumni Association at that time, and he was my pastor.
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  S6: LED me to the Lord at Judson Baptist Church.
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  S2: That's a cool story. That's a cool.
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  S4: Thing. I love.
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  S2: That. Hang on the phone here, Jack. We'll see if
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  S2: you're a winner. Chicken dinner. Cynthia. First time caller, London, Ohio.
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  S2: What do you say, Cynthia?
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  S7: I've been listening for 60 years.
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  S2: That's terrific. How have you been doing that when you
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  S2: sound 42?
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  S7: Oh, thank you very much. But I remember when I
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  S7: was just a little girl at my grandma and grandpa's house,
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  S7: my grandpa came over on the boat from Sweden, and
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  S7: he was determined to learn English. And he had a
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  S7: radio on the kitchen island. And, uh, it was on
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  S7: moody radio, Moody radio every time I came over. And
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  S7: I just remember as a little girl pulling up to
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  S7: that counter and listening to Aunt Teresa. Oh, probably from
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  S7: when I was 2 to 3 on pretty much my
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  S7: entire my entire childhood, because Grandma and Grandpa, I was
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  S7: there a lot. They had it on every single day.
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  S2: Oh that's beautiful. What was your what was your maiden name?
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  S2: Last name?
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  S7: Um, my grandpa's name was Sundin.
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  S2: Sundin. Okay, well guess what?
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  S8: My mom's name.
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  S2: I am Clausen, obviously. And my other side of the
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  S2: family is Johnson. And they came from the old country, Sweden.
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  S2: And they landed here. And my grandma sang with her
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  S2: sister on Moody radio, and my great uncle preach the
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  S2: Swedish hour until he passed away. Isn't that kind of
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  S2: a cool.
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  S8: Oh my goodness, the Swedes.
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  S7: That's a cool.
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  S8: Story.
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  S2: And you got a Swedish dog in the background. This
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  S2: is a. It's a bonus pack.
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  S8: Here, dog. Daisy. Yes.
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  S2: Way to go, Cynthia. Hold on the line. I might
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  S2: give her that just for having Swedish heritage, you know.
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  S4: That's pretty good.
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  S2: Is that okay?
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  S4: All right, we'll see.
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  S2: All right. Uh, Ruth in Grayslake, Illinois. What do you say, Ruth?
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  S2: How long you been listening?
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  S8: Um, I was born in 74 years ago, and I
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  S8: listened to the radio up on top of the refrigerator
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  S8: in a box, and, um, we had it on day
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  S8: in and day out, and I'm still listening.
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  S2: Way to go, Ruth. Hey, thanks for putting up with
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  S2: us crazy folks in here. You're a blessing, Ruth.
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  S8: Well, I'm also Swedish and Norwegian, so we're very tolerant, so.
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  S9: I'm not going to ask for commentary on what that means.
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  S5: Hilarious.
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  S9: Oh.
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  S4: I get it, though.
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  S9: Yeah, I get it.
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  S2: Ellen Palatine, Illinois. What do you say? How long you
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  S2: been listening, Ellen?
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  S10: Hey. Good morning. Well, first of all, I want to
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  S10: say I'm an alum, and I am so proud of that.
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  S10: And my mom was an alum. And that is why
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  S10: Moody played every day in our home. So I sit,
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  S10: I'm 72, I'll be 73 in December, and I feel
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  S10: like it was playing from the moment I was able
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  S10: to realize that it was playing because it played every
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  S10: day in our home. So there you go.
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  S2: That is great. That is great. Ellen. Way to go.
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  S2: Stay on the horn. You might be a winner. Oh
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  S2: my goodness. Um, this is tremendous guys.
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  S4: A lot of fun.
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  S5: So encouraging.
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  S2: All right we got one more. Just came in here.
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  S2: Roland Deer Park Illinois. Line one. Line one. There we go. Roland,
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  S2: what do you say? How long you been listening?
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  S11: Since 1938.
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  S4: Wow, wow.
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  S2: Why do you guys not sound Ellen. Ruth. Right. Cynthia.
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  S2: Nobody sounds. How old are you? Roland?
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  S11: 88.
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  S8: You really?
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  S11: Yeah. I'll be 88 in just about less than a month.
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  S2: Yeah, yeah. Your wife's. Your wife's cluing you in, man,
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  S2: dare I dare I ask you, how long you been married, Roland?
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  S11: Since 1960.
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  S4: That's incredible. Roland. Yeah. What day did you say your
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  S4: birthday was this month?
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  S11: 728. 30 in in 38.
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  S4: So he's got the same birthday. Same birthday as Moody Radio? Yeah.
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  S2: You get the same birthday as Moody Radio. Okay. Hold on, Roland,
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  S2: hang on. You are the biggest winner. But you're all
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  S2: getting a prize pack. I'm giving one to Roland. I'm
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  S2: giving one to Ruth. I'm giving one to Ellen. And
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  S2: I'm giving one to Cynthia because she's got a Swedish heritage.
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  S12: Yeah.
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  S4: See, I love when you say you're giving away one
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  S4: prize pack and you give away two, and then you
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  S4: say you're giving away two and you give away four.
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  S4: It's a good little.
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  S2: We're doing it. Well, we aren't having to send it
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  S2: to Nairobi, Kenya like yesterday.
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  S4: Yeah. Yesterday we sent a prize back to Nairobi.
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  S2: I did call mad about that.
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  S4: Did you? Okay, good.
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  S2: Told them we're sending one to Nairobi. I said it
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  S2: could be $105. You said it over there, but he's okay. Uh,
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  S2: this is so cool. And, uh. My goodness. Get rolling
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  S2: back on the horn here.
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  S4: Rolling, rolling. You're on.
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  S2: Hey, rolling. You're back here. Um. Oh!
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  S4: What's. Oh, wait. I gotta tell you to stop talking.
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  S2: Yeah. Tell Leo to stop talking to him. Yeah, we're
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  S2: doing this. This is live radio here. Boom. Crew. Thank
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  S2: you for being patient. All right. Hey, Roland. You're back
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  S2: with Carl here? Um. Tell me. Tell me something. When
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  S2: did God call you out of darkness? Show you you
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  S2: were a sinner and you repented. When was that? How
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  S2: many years ago?
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  S11: Oh, that was like 80, 81 years ago.
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  S2: 81 years ago. Man, this is great.
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  S11: Seven years old. Yeah.
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  S2: You're an inspiration, Roland. You keep walking with Jesus. You love.
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  S2: And your wife will today.
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  S11: Yeah, and she's doing it, too.
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  S2: That's tremendous.
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  S4: Amen.
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  S2: Oh, you hear that, precious? Are you kidding.
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  S4: Me? Oh, man. That'll give you enough.
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  S5: Positive.
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  S4: Little happy feeling in your heart to go for the
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  S4: rest of the day. Come on. Good grief. You hear
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  S4: that smile when he said that? Yeah.
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  S2: He's smiling.
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  S4: Come on.
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  S5: Pause. And he just. Oh, man.
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  S2: Roland's a great name, by the way.
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  S4: I love that name.
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  S2: Those of you with. You got something in the oven there.
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  S2: Think about rolling or Magus. I'm still looking for.
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  S4: You're trying to get somebody working so hard.
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  S2: I'm trying to get someone.
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  S4: I'm so thankful that I haven't had a son yet.
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  S4: So you can't you haven't tried to convince me to
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  S4: do it because I know that that conversation be coming.
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  S4: If I ever said a boy was on the way.
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  S2: There's two names, Roland and Magus. Uh oh. We got
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  S2: someone else weighing in here.
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  S4: Uh, where do you see.
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  S2: Line.
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  S4: Six?
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  S5: Oh, there she is.
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  S2: Okay, okay. Hang on. Might give away another one. Barbara
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  S2: from Elmhurst, Illinois. How long you been listening, Barbara?
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  S13: Well, I've been listening since 1938. I'm almost 80. 89 now,
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  S13: and I can remember it was on at our house
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  S13: all the time, and I. All those programs, Aunt Teresa
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  S13: and the Christmas programs. And I remember unshackled. Oh, we
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  S13: always listen to that on Sunday. I in fact, it
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  S13: was through Moody radio when I was five years old
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  S13: that I gave my heart to the Lord through someone
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  S13: preaching on that. But I have been listening all my life.
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  S13: I've been living in the Chicagoland area and I have
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  S13: been so blessed. Still.
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  S2: Ellen. Barbara. I mean, Barbara, why do you sound. Why
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  S2: are all of you sounding so young?
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  S4: For real though.
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  S5: Oh my goodness.
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  S13: Well, you know what? Because God has given me strength.
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  S13: I'm very involved in prison ministry in the city of Chicago,
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  S13: and I know some of your moody students and all
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  S13: that sort of thing that I can minister with at times. And, um, yeah,
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  S13: I was just at the juvenile detention center last night
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  S13: trying to convince those boys that life is not worthwhile
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  S13: without Jesus.
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  S4: Amen.
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  S5: Hold it, hold it here, hold it here.
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  S2: You're you're you're 88 or 89. What are you right now? You.
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  S2: You said it. So.
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  S13: 88.5.
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  S2: Yeah, 88.5. You're 88.5. And you're going to a juvenile
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  S2: detention center telling boys about Jesus.
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  S4: Come on.
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  S13: Yes. And? And I go to the doc. They got
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  S13: a Bible study with women at the doc in Chicago
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  S13: and one in DuPage County.
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  S5: Now I want to hang out with Barbara.
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  S4: Come on.
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  S5: Okay. I want to have lunch with Barbara.
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  S13: I'm a widow. I'm a widow now. I'm in a condo.
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  S13: I don't have to take care of a house. God
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  S13: has blessed me, and I'm just. His grace to me
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  S13: is just absolutely amazing and I just have to tell
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  S13: people about it.
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  S5: Whoa.
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  S4: Incredible.
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  S2: I just can't take this.
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  S5: Drop the mic, Barbara.
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  S2: You are something else, young lady. You are something else.
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  S13: No. God is, you know.
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  S2: Yeah. There you go again. There we go again.
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  S13: You get older and you know it's not you. You
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  S13: know it's God. And I just have to tell God
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  S13: every morning, Lord, while you give me strength. You know,
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  S13: you show me what to do now and I'll. And
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  S13: I'll do it because you will give me the strength
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  S13: to do it.
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  S5: Yeah.
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  S2: Oh, Barbara.
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  S5: Ooh!
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  S2: Barbara.
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  S13: Oh, yes. He's wonderful, isn't he?
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  S2: Yeah. Oh, he is good. Isn't God good? And by
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  S2: the way, thank you for putting. I was going to
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  S2: say thank you for putting up with this, but you
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  S2: run at the same speed I do anyway. So you.
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  S2: This isn't this.
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  S13: I had to quick get my brownies out of the
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  S13: oven because I'm going to something tomorrow that I have
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  S13: to bring brownies, and I'm in the middle of trying
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  S13: to make a casserole for my supper. And I got
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  S13: to get those those noodles out.
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  S2: Well, let me get. Okay, stay on the phone. I'm
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  S2: going to let you get on. I'm holding up your
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  S2: day now, so I'm sorry about.
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  S5: Don't burn those.
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  S2: Around the horn. Stand the horn. Get that casserole. What
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  S2: kind of casserole is it.
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  S13: A chicken. I just was making a gravy to put
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  S13: in it. Chicken and noodles, you know, in a gravy? Yeah.
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  S4: That's good stuff.
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  S5: Jonathan will be over.
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  S4: I'm on my way.
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  S5: You mentioned brownies. That did it.
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  S2: This is the best ever.
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  S5: Wow.
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  S4: No joke. We could have Barbara on for the next hour.
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  S4: Last half hour, and it would just be fine with me.
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  S2: Yeah, we just blew through news. Everything.
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  S4: Everything. Literally. Yeah. Everything.
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  S2: Yeah, we blew through it all.
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  S4: I'll get it. I'll get it all out of the way.
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  S4: There we go. We're. We're good. Now.
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  S2: How many prize packs, Barbara?
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  S4: Five. Five prize packs we've given now Barbara's one.
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  S5: Oh, boy.
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  S4: Cynthia. Ruth. Ellen and Roland.
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  S5: Yeah. Wow.
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  S2: Everybody sounds so young and inspiring.
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  S4: Yeah, I know. That's accurate.
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  S2: This is Christ in us. The hope of glory. The
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  S2: greatest supplement you can pop every day is the presence
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  S2: of God.
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  S4: Amen.
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  S2: Wow. Oh, I don't even have words for this. This
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  S2: is amazing.
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  S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
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  S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
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  S1: Moody Radio.
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  S2: All right, guys, we have got a day. There's a
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  S2: party going on in here. We got to bring in
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  S2: a party animal. You know that.
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  S4: I like that, Phil Karkowski.
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  S2: He's a party animal in the truest kingdom sense. In
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  S2: the word. This guy celebrates life change big time. Phil Karkowski,
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  S2: ninth president of Pacific Garden Mission. How many years you
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  S2: been there, Phil?
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  S14: My goodness, since I've been a student at Moody. I
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  S14: started at the mission in 1988.
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  S2: Really? How long have you been president?
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  S14: Since 2013.
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  S2: Wow. You must be one of the longest serving presidents there, right?
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  S14: Well, in terms of staff members, I think Harry Salinger
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  S14: was president for like 40 years. So I have a
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  S14: few more years.
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  S2: Got a few more years to go. Take your vitamins,
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  S2: my man. Okay, we got to go all the way
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  S2: back to 1950. What was going on in 1950 that
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  S2: birthed unshackled, for crying out loud.
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  S14: Well, you know, people love stories of change. And WGN
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  S14: was asking the mission about stories of change, and they
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  S14: were interviewing Harry Salinger and he said, why don't we
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  S14: just put this on the radio? We just have a
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  S14: show that shares testimonies of lives that have been changed
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  S14: by the gospel. So really started at WGN in Chicago
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  S14: on one station, and it just grew now to over
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  S14: 3100 stations, 15 languages around the world.
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  S2: Hold it. It started on WGN.
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  S14: On WGN. Yep. They came to the mission and they
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  S14: were just asking about stories. And they love the stories
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  S14: of change. And so they said, let's just make a
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  S14: radio program. And so that's how it started.
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  S2: That is so cool. How many lives do you believe?
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  S2: Have you done the math at all to know? I mean,
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  S2: do you have a meal count, a head count? I mean,
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  S2: it's hundreds of thousands, if not over a million lives
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  S2: have been touched through Pacific Garden Mission, right?
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  S14: Oh, it's been hundreds of thousands. I mean, it's unbelievable.
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  S14: And unshackled. And what's so neat about unshackled is it's
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  S14: so relevant today when I'm hearing I see people at
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  S14: the mission. I talked to a guy yesterday who was
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  S14: a drug addict who was living in Florida, and he
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  S14: told me, Carl, you'll like this quote. He said, I
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  S14: could always do a program, but I could never do life.
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  S14: And he heard Unshackled in Florida, and he said, that's
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  S14: the place where I need to go. He surrendered to Jesus.
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  S14: His name is Otis. He's been there now for 16 years.
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  S14: He leads our noon service. But again, it's happening today.
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  S14: But I love that he could always do a program.
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  S14: Can never do life.
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  S2: You know what? See, this is the difference maker between
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  S2: a lot of programs that are out there and really
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  S2: what you're doing at Pacific Garden Mission, because it's not
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  S2: about getting off something. It's about allowing Christ to reside
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  S2: in your heart. At the end of the day, that's
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  S2: what sets people free. Right. Phil?
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  S14: Oh, exactly. And what people are looking for through the stories,
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  S14: because the reason unshackled, which is the longest running radio program,
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  S14: secular or Christian in the history of this country. People
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  S14: want hope. And when they hear hope of somebody that's
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  S14: been addicted for 30, 40, 50 years, or maybe they've
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  S14: been abused, whatever the situation was, it resonates with them.
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  S14: If God did that for somebody else. He can do
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  S14: that for me. And maybe there's a child that that's
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  S14: wayward and a parent. Here's an unshackled story. If God
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  S14: saved that child, he could do something with mine. So
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  S14: it resonates today as it did in 1950.
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  S2: My goodness. Fill every day you're seeing stories of freedom
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  S2: found in Christ. People are unshackled and walking free in
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  S2: this newfound relationship. What's the most thrilling thing that you've
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  S2: been witnessing lately, Phil?
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  S14: Well, you know, it's it's thrilling to see families come
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  S14: back together. Uh, when you see a mother that's been
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  S14: estranged from a son because he's an addict. We have
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  S14: a drug program there called the New Day Program. And
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  S14: when you see our new day graduation, and there's grandmothers
• 16:27
  S14: and mothers embracing a son that they maybe gave up
• 16:31
  S14: on or they had no hope for, to me, it's indescribable.
• 16:36
  S14: So God is doing bringing families back together, changing lives.
• 16:40
  S14: It is thrilling.
• 16:41
  S2: How many bunks do you have at Pacific Garden Mission?
• 16:44
  S14: We got about 900 beds, so we've we've been up
• 16:48
  S14: to over a thousand on our high our high winters
• 16:51
  S14: years ago. So we'll take people in. But over 900 beds.
• 16:56
  S2: Fantastic. Phil, you're doing such a great work. This is
• 16:59
  S2: one of the best return on investment ministries you guys
• 17:02
  S2: are going to hear about. And we've got a link
• 17:05
  S2: so that you can listen to some unshackled stories. So
• 17:10
  S2: I want you to check this out. Boom. Crew. Just
• 17:13
  S2: text the word garden as in Pacific Garden Mission. Text
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  S2: the word garden to 805 557898. One word garden to
• 17:24
  S2: 805 557898. And get a link for both Pacific Garden
• 17:31
  S2: Mission and unshackled. Phil, what's God doing in your life
• 17:35
  S2: as a result of being down there? This has got
• 17:37
  S2: to keep you just on your face before God because
• 17:41
  S2: the needs are overwhelming at times.
• 17:43
  S14: Well, the needs are overwhelming and what keeps you on
• 17:45
  S14: your face is just the stories that are there when
• 17:48
  S14: you look at. We had a young girl that was
• 17:50
  S14: dropped off just two days ago and by the hospital
• 17:54
  S14: because of a drug addiction. She's in her 20s and
• 17:57
  S14: she wanted to run back on the streets. And when
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  S14: you see those things and as a father and I
• 18:02
  S14: see that that's somebody's daughter, my heart just breaks for
• 18:05
  S14: some of these stories, some of these people that God
• 18:08
  S14: has not yet or they've not yet responded to the call.
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  S14: So it's the passion that we have for the men
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  S14: and women who walk through our doors. So I see
• 18:17
  S14: these stories every day, broken people coming through our doors,
• 18:22
  S14: encountering the gospel. Some respond and some don't. Yeah. And
• 18:26
  S14: so it just keeps you on your face.
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  S2: You know, the interesting thing about the parable of the
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  S2: soils and you must see this a lot. There's one
• 18:33
  S2: soil that is truly regenerate and that's the one that
• 18:37
  S2: multiplies and gives birth to more and more life around it.
• 18:42
  S2: But you get you get hard hearts down there, I'm sure,
• 18:44
  S2: where you preach the gospel and you're like, I can't
• 18:47
  S2: believe you're not receiving this, bro. Aren't you broken enough?
• 18:50
  S2: And then you get some that are elated and they
• 18:52
  S2: just like, everything's new, but it hasn't taken root in
• 18:56
  S2: their heart. And then the worries of this world, the
• 18:59
  S2: deceitfulness of wealth and the desire for other things, according
• 19:02
  S2: to Jesus story, choke it out. And it's been planted,
• 19:07
  S2: but it's never resided in the heart. But you're holding
• 19:10
  S2: out for that one of four that produces fruit. And
• 19:13
  S2: you see it, don't you, Phil?
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  S14: Oh, we see it. And it's exciting when you see it.
• 19:17
  S14: And for many of those folks, somebody's been praying for them. Yes.
• 19:21
  S14: I often hear where my mother was saved, and she's
• 19:24
  S14: been praying for me for years. And I've come to
• 19:26
  S14: this point. I think of the story of the prodigal.
• 19:29
  S14: He only changed when he came to himself. Yeah. You
• 19:32
  S14: got to come to yourself. And sometimes it's being in
• 19:34
  S14: a rescue mission. Sometimes it's being on the street, would
• 19:37
  S14: you hold out hope for that one?
• 19:39
  S2: Yeah, I love it. Phil, I love you. You are
• 19:41
  S2: such a good man. Phil Kwiatkowski is the president of
• 19:45
  S2: Pacific Garden Mission, and we got a link for you.
• 19:47
  S2: You text garden right now, I really want you to
• 19:50
  S2: listen to just listen to a clip of these stories
• 19:55
  S2: from unshackled, and it will encourage your soul. You want
• 19:59
  S2: some encouragement, you want to put some fuel in your
• 20:01
  S2: belly this morning for Jesus. Text garden to 805 557898.
• 20:08
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• 20:14
  S1: Your shot of hope to get you through the day.
• 20:17
  S5: You are so, so loved. God does not want you
• 20:20
  S5: to stay in your past, and I want you to
• 20:22
  S5: know and believe that today.
• 20:24
  S1: You're listening to Carl and crew.
• 20:26
  S2: All right, so here's the test. Have you ever been
• 20:30
  S2: so intimidated by someone so freaked out by someone that
• 20:34
  S2: how you spoke, how you walked. Everything you did was
• 20:37
  S2: careful around that person. Yes, of course, 100%. Yeah. And
• 20:41
  S2: if you if you say you haven't, you're a liar.
• 20:44
  S4: I have that when I'm driving my car. If the
• 20:46
  S4: person behind me is riding me a little too much,
• 20:49
  S4: I go, oh, man, I better speed up. This person's
• 20:51
  S4: really upset with me. And it's like, well, that's not
• 20:54
  S4: my responsibility. They can be upset with me if they like.
• 20:57
  S2: But it's hard, man, because everything inside us goes, I
• 21:01
  S2: gotta gain the approval of someone.
• 21:02
  S4: Yeah, 100%, man.
• 21:03
  S2: I'm glad Deborah Falletta has never struggled with this. I
• 21:07
  S2: am so pumped. So come and tell us your testimony.
• 21:09
  S2: You've never struggled with this. Tell us how you do that.
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  S15: Never ever struggled with people pleasing. And here I am
• 21:16
  S15: to share my testimony.
• 21:18
  S2: Everybody welcome aboard. Deborah Falletta, the person, the one I
• 21:22
  S2: could find. That's it's. We all struggle, don't we, Deborah?
• 21:25
  S15: Yes we do. It's human nature to struggle with people pleasing.
• 21:30
  S15: I do think that some people struggle with it more
• 21:32
  S15: than others, for sure. And let's just even kind of
• 21:35
  S15: lay out what even is this? Yeah, you might be
• 21:38
  S15: a people pleaser if you struggle to take care of yourself.
• 21:42
  S15: You might be a people pleaser if you like to
• 21:45
  S15: fix things and find it uncomfortable when other people are
• 21:49
  S15: feeling sad or hurt or frustrated, or maybe you over apologize.
• 21:54
  S15: You're really aware of what people think about you. You
• 21:58
  S15: struggle to set boundaries because it feels like you're doing
• 22:01
  S15: something wrong. You're not good at expressing your own feelings
• 22:04
  S15: and needs. So think about just some of those things
• 22:08
  S15: and decide, okay, where on the scale of people pleasing
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  S15: am I on a scale of 0 to 10? Because
• 22:13
  S15: that can often be really helpful.
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  S2: You know what's interesting, Deborah, is it seems like we
• 22:19
  S2: fall off one side or the other with this one.
• 22:21
  S2: So I'm raised in Alaska and the Alaskan, the average
• 22:26
  S2: Alaskan man is probably in the horse's behind category if
• 22:31
  S2: you want to know the truth. And it's a you
• 22:33
  S2: know what? You can love me. You can hate me,
• 22:36
  S2: I don't care. That's not the goal of being freed
• 22:40
  S2: from people pleasing, is it? And by the way, I
• 22:43
  S2: think those guys, because I was one of them, didn't
• 22:46
  S2: back up our bravado with truth. The truth is we
• 22:49
  S2: all still wore the same trendy clothes, you know what
• 22:51
  S2: I mean?
• 22:52
  S15: Yeah, absolutely. We say that we don't care what people think.
• 22:57
  S15: And you're right, this can be done in extremes. The
• 23:00
  S15: opposite of people pleasing isn't people hating or not caring
• 23:06
  S15: about people. Right? The opposite of people pleasing is being
• 23:11
  S15: a God pleaser. Somebody who is aligned to what God
• 23:17
  S15: thinks and feels about me. And interestingly enough, when we
• 23:20
  S15: do that, well, we love people better because we're loving
• 23:25
  S15: them through a pure motivation. I'm loving you through God's love.
• 23:30
  S15: I'm loving you because I've received God's love. I'm not
• 23:33
  S15: loving you to get something in return. People pleasing seems
• 23:37
  S15: so innocent that sometimes people call themselves that. I'm just
• 23:40
  S15: a people pleaser. But really, it's selfish because your goal
• 23:44
  S15: is to receive something, to receive approval, gratitude, appreciation, validation.
• 23:50
  S15: So ultimately, when we get to the root of our
• 23:53
  S15: heart posture with people pleasing, we find that it's actually
• 23:56
  S15: about us.
• 23:57
  S2: I love this Deborah Falletta, my guest right now. And
• 24:00
  S2: we're going to have some resources to point you to.
• 24:02
  S2: She's actually doing podcasts and everything. Now. You got it
• 24:05
  S2: going on. This is a lot of fun. Uh, I'm
• 24:08
  S2: thinking about two words, truth and love. It seems like
• 24:12
  S2: sometimes who we say we're loving people, but we're really
• 24:17
  S2: just trying to gain approval ourselves by the way we
• 24:22
  S2: act toward them. Right. Deborah.
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  S15: Right. And that's where the motivation matters. It's what am
• 24:27
  S15: I really trying to get from this Interaction. And oftentimes
• 24:32
  S15: you find there's a need that's being filled in these relationships.
• 24:38
  S15: You want to get validated, you want to be liked,
• 24:41
  S15: you want people to think highly of you. So you
• 24:45
  S15: don't share the truth in the way that you would
• 24:49
  S15: because you just want to receive something from them. You
• 24:52
  S15: don't want your truth to inhibit the validation that you
• 24:56
  S15: want to receive from the people around you. But that
• 24:59
  S15: prevents us from really loving people. Well, if we're loving
• 25:03
  S15: them without truth.
• 25:05
  S2: Is fear the common denominator here? Is it fear of
• 25:09
  S2: missing out, fear of disappointing, fear of not being approved,
• 25:13
  S2: fear of walking alone in life. It seems like fear
• 25:16
  S2: is a driver here.
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  S15: I think fear can be one of the primary drivers
• 25:21
  S15: for sure. We don't want to be rejected, we don't
• 25:25
  S15: want to be abandoned. But I also think that sometimes
• 25:29
  S15: it's unmet needs. As a licensed counselor, I work with
• 25:32
  S15: a lot of people who have these voids that they're
• 25:36
  S15: living with unmet needs for care, for love, for validation,
• 25:41
  S15: for approval, somebody to see them and know them. And ultimately,
• 25:46
  S15: if we bring these unmet needs to people time and
• 25:50
  S15: time again, we are going to be disappointed. You know,
• 25:53
  S15: we're going to be endlessly searching for something. And I
• 25:56
  S15: know it sounds so spiritual and so simple, but truly
• 26:00
  S15: to learn to allow God to be the source of
• 26:04
  S15: those needs so that we can give and receive in
• 26:08
  S15: relationships without feeling like we need to get something in return.
• 26:14
  S2: So Deborah Falletta, my guest, Faith forward licensed professional counselor,
• 26:19
  S2: I'm going to represent everyone listening right now. And I'm
• 26:24
  S2: going to I'm going to role play this. And there's
• 26:26
  S2: a lot of ways to go, but I'll go with
• 26:28
  S2: something familiar from my past. Deborah, here's where I'm at
• 26:33
  S2: when I'm really wanting to be a people pleaser, and
• 26:38
  S2: if I'm honest with myself, I will not speak the truth.
• 26:42
  S2: I'll try to tell people things that make it feel good,
• 26:47
  S2: and I'll know that there's things that maybe need to change.
• 26:50
  S2: People that have worked for me or around me, but
• 26:53
  S2: I withhold the truth. And then it's like storing explosives.
• 26:56
  S2: Then one day I'm like, blah, this is coming out
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  S2: of me here. Uh. Help me. Deborah. All right, there
• 27:03
  S2: you go.
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  S15: Well, first of all, I think there's three types of
• 27:06
  S15: people who tend to struggle with this more. And the
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  S15: first is actually the firstborns. I don't know where you
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  S15: are in your birth order, but I'm a firstborn. And
• 27:16
  S15: firstborns are really responsible. They care about others. They're always
• 27:20
  S15: looking at the needs of others. They're trying to fill
• 27:22
  S15: in the gaps, right? You can only do that for
• 27:25
  S15: so long until you realize that your needs have been
• 27:28
  S15: totally neglected and the explosion comes. The other group of
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  S15: people are people who come from a home where there
• 27:35
  S15: was somebody else with higher needs than them. So maybe
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  S15: a parent who had a struggle, or a sibling with
• 27:41
  S15: a disability or a rebellious child or something. And so
• 27:45
  S15: when you look at your family dynamic, you think they
• 27:48
  S15: have way more needs than I do. So I'm not
• 27:49
  S15: even going to express mine. And you learn to kind
• 27:52
  S15: of stuff your needs and feelings to think about what
• 27:55
  S15: others need. The third type are people who come from
• 27:58
  S15: a home where either mom or dad was emotionally unavailable.
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  S15: So as a kid, you have these needs. You go
• 28:04
  S15: to dad. He's not available. He's a workaholic, Ministry aholic alcoholic.
• 28:09
  S15: You go to mom. She's stressed out, unavailable, frazzled, and
• 28:13
  S15: you learn to just stuff your needs when you're a
• 28:16
  S15: stuffer and you just think about what others need. But
• 28:20
  S15: don't honor your own needs. There will be a point
• 28:23
  S15: where you do explode. So. So the healthy person learns
• 28:27
  S15: to recognize what they feel in need as part of
• 28:30
  S15: the equation. And do you know, Jesus was really good
• 28:35
  S15: at honoring the needs of others, but also being really
• 28:38
  S15: aware of his needs. Yeah. So that's where the balance
• 28:41
  S15: comes in.
• 28:42
  S2: How could the evangelical church change? Because it seems like
• 28:48
  S2: we're not much different than the dominant culture today.
• 28:53
  S15: I think part of the problem is we think it's
• 28:55
  S15: biblical to neglect our needs. We think it's biblical to
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  S15: neglect our feelings, and we don't realize how healthy Jesus
• 29:07
  S15: was and how he modeled boundaries, how he modeled God
• 29:12
  S15: pleasing over people pleasing. In fact, Mark 12 verse 14
• 29:16
  S15: says it really clearly when they when the teachers approached Jesus,
• 29:21
  S15: they said to him, we know that you are true
• 29:25
  S15: and you do not care about anyone's opinion, for you're
• 29:28
  S15: not swayed by appearances, but truly teach the way of God.
• 29:32
  S15: They knew that he wasn't just going to tell them
• 29:34
  S15: what they wanted to hear or or something, so that
• 29:38
  S15: they would like him. They knew they were going to
• 29:41
  S15: get the truth from him. They knew he cared more
• 29:43
  S15: about God than man. And I think our solution to
• 29:47
  S15: people pleasing is one equation. God is greater than man,
• 29:53
  S15: and if we really learn to live by that, it
• 29:57
  S15: would totally change the way we interacted with people. We
• 29:59
  S15: would want to be aligned to God and please him
• 30:03
  S15: in every interaction. I think that would radically change the
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  S15: way that we did relationships, the way that we did church,
• 30:11
  S15: the way that we did community, the way we did marriage,
• 30:13
  S15: the way we did family. Um, it's a challenge for
• 30:16
  S15: all of us.
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  S5: Yeah.
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  S2: You know, Deborah, the way we started this is right there.
• 30:21
  S2: And the payoff on this is huge. If we can begin.
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  S2: You've heard the term living for the lives of one,
• 30:28
  S2: I get that. But if, however you describe it, if
• 30:32
  S2: we can really say to God, you. You didn't withhold truth.
• 30:39
  S2: You didn't withhold love. You. You hit me, but you
• 30:42
  S2: hit me with like Swindoll. You call it a velvet
• 30:45
  S2: covered brick, but you hit me so lovingly. If we
• 30:50
  S2: can begin to get so identified with that Savior, that
• 30:55
  S2: one who loves us, who says, come to me, all
• 30:57
  S2: you weary, you're heavy laden. Come on in here. Oh
• 31:01
  S2: my goodness. We're going to get more out of relationships
• 31:04
  S2: than we ever have before, won't we, Deborah?
• 31:07
  S15: Absolutely. And one practice that we can do that's really
• 31:10
  S15: practical as we're engaging with people. Maybe I'm having a
• 31:14
  S15: hard time saying no. Maybe I'm starting to feel upset
• 31:18
  S15: and needing validation. Maybe I, I know I'm supposed to
• 31:22
  S15: do something and say, encourage somebody, but I'm struggling, you know?
• 31:26
  S15: Whatever it is, throughout the day, I start to feel
• 31:28
  S15: like I'm people pleasing. I'm over apologizing. I'm trying to
• 31:31
  S15: dig for compliments. In that moment, if we could stop
• 31:34
  S15: for 30s and just say, Holy Spirit, I want to
• 31:38
  S15: be aligned to you. I want to please you more
• 31:41
  S15: than man. What do you want me to think and
• 31:43
  S15: feel in this situation? Align my heart, align my thoughts.
• 31:48
  S15: Maybe God will come back and say, I actually do
• 31:50
  S15: want you to say no to this, right? I actually
• 31:53
  S15: do want you to do this differently. I actually don't
• 31:55
  S15: want you to seek approval from this person. I want
• 31:57
  S15: you to hold on to the approval you have from
• 31:59
  S15: me right now. If we could just take a minute
• 32:02
  S15: to recognize we're doing it and then bring ourselves into
• 32:06
  S15: alignment with the Holy Spirit, I really think he would
• 32:09
  S15: download some truths into our life that would radically change
• 32:14
  S15: the way that we do relationships.
• 32:16
  S2: Yeah. Deborah Falletta, you are right on. This is so good.
• 32:21
  S2: And I think the thing that we're trying to spike
• 32:24
  S2: here with Carl and crew, and you've done a great
• 32:26
  S2: job with it, is when we have bifurcated our time
• 32:31
  S2: with God. So it's like, okay, I get this time
• 32:33
  S2: with God. Boy, I hope the fumes of that. Carrie,
• 32:35
  S2: forget that the Holy Spirit is here to speak. I've
• 32:38
  S2: walked into rooms before. I was on the verge of
• 32:42
  S2: fill in the blank and the Holy Spirit's like, no,
• 32:45
  S2: this is the way you're going to talk. This is
• 32:48
  S2: the issue. You're going to know you're not going to
• 32:49
  S2: bring that one up. I'm not kidding you, Deborah. That's
• 32:51
  S2: the way I hear from the Lord now.
• 32:53
  S15: Exactly. And Carl, I don't think people realize that so
• 32:58
  S15: often our behaviors, our thoughts and our feelings are actually
• 33:02
  S15: aligned with our trauma and not God's truth. Like this
• 33:06
  S15: is a new template that we have to lean into
• 33:09
  S15: every day. My trauma tells me to do this. My
• 33:11
  S15: trauma tells me to people please to over apologize, to
• 33:14
  S15: just say yes to everything, to. But what is God's
• 33:17
  S15: truth telling me? There's got to be a point in
• 33:20
  S15: my life where I just stop living by the template
• 33:23
  S15: of my past, the template of my trauma, and I
• 33:26
  S15: learned to start living by the template of God's truth
• 33:29
  S15: and doing it differently. And it's literally, like you said,
• 33:33
  S15: a moment by moment, day by day awareness. And if
• 33:37
  S15: we lean in, the Holy Spirit begins to download something new.
• 33:41
  S2: Boom. This is powerhouse. She's got a great website, she's
• 33:45
  S2: got a podcast, and she's got a book called reset.
• 33:48
  S2: I've got a link here for you that's going to
• 33:50
  S2: put you on to everything. Deborah Falletta. And they are
• 33:54
  S2: dynamite resources. Text the word reset to 805 557898, reset
• 34:02
  S2: to 805 557898.
• 34:05
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• 34:08
  S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 34:12
  S2: Yeah, man, so much going on in the world today. And, uh,
• 34:17
  S2: looks like we're going to try to get Hormoz Shariat,
• 34:19
  S2: Doctor Hormuz, Shariat on board with us here to get
• 34:23
  S2: an update on what's going on. Have we got them
• 34:25
  S2: live right now we do. Oh boy. Okay. Uh Hormoz
• 34:29
  S2: I get up this morning, actually late last night. I
• 34:31
  S2: first heard about it there and I did a big
• 34:35
  S2: deal a couple hours ago. There's actually a a quote
• 34:39
  S2: out of the Quran. Uh, let me get this here.
• 34:44
  S2: I'll find it. It's, uh, it's an interesting thing. Hormoz.
• 34:48
  S2: When we're dealing with Iran, we've got to remember, don't we, that, uh,
• 34:53
  S2: these truth is optional because we're infidels. And so this
• 35:00
  S2: memorandum of understanding falling down again, there have been shots
• 35:04
  S2: fired at tankers and apparently some other countries from Iran.
• 35:08
  S2: We shouldn't be surprised by this, should we? Hormuz? You
• 35:11
  S2: know this. You're Iranian. You know what's going on with
• 35:14
  S2: these mullahs. What do you say?
• 35:16
  S16: Well, thank you, Carl. Of course, we should not be
• 35:19
  S16: surprised if we know what's going on through the minds
• 35:22
  S16: of these leaders in Iran. Then everything makes sense. If.
• 35:26
  S16: If not, you may be confused. Why are they, you know,
• 35:30
  S16: starting war again and again? The thing is, they're twofold.
• 35:33
  S16: One is a belief, the Islamic belief that, uh, God
• 35:39
  S16: is with them, Allah is with them. And if they
• 35:41
  S16: can stand these pressures and wars, they're going to win.
• 35:45
  S16: Even if the Mahdi, their messiah, has to come back,
• 35:49
  S16: he will to make him win. So they, uh, lose.
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  S16: Lost in a war is not acceptable. Another point of view,
• 35:57
  S16: another reason that they're doing this is they believe this
• 36:01
  S16: is political strategy. They believe if we just stay in
• 36:06
  S16: power long enough, we're going to win twofold. They want
• 36:10
  S16: to have stability. They want to have control over the
• 36:13
  S16: people inside Iran. As long as they do that, You
• 36:16
  S16: don't mind the war? Actually welcome the war. They know
• 36:19
  S16: the longer the war gets, the they benefit more. Yeah,
• 36:23
  S16: it puts more pressure on Trump. And if they can survive,
• 36:27
  S16: they're going to be okay. They know the longer it takes,
• 36:30
  S16: the higher probability that Trump will back off and they
• 36:33
  S16: will survive this war and and will prosper. They're looking
• 36:37
  S16: to prosperity. I'm not talking about the people of Iran.
• 36:40
  S16: I'm talking about the leaders go through this. They feel
• 36:44
  S16: they have we have lost a lot through this war.
• 36:46
  S16: And we can survive a little bit more. We have
• 36:49
  S16: nothing to lose except that we're going to gain the
• 36:52
  S16: country back again.
• 36:53
  S2: Yeah. All right. Really quickly here to Kiya. I'm probably
• 36:57
  S2: mispronouncing that. It comes out of the Quran. Chapter three
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  S2: verse 28. Let not believers take the unbelievers as allies
• 37:03
  S2: instead of believers, unless you do so as a precaution.
• 37:07
  S2: Some Shia scholars have twisted this. Apparently there's a lot
• 37:12
  S2: of Muslim, uh, clerics disagree on this, but they use
• 37:17
  S2: this to justify taqiyya the that it's okay to lie
• 37:21
  S2: in situations like this so they can look at the
• 37:25
  S2: Quran and find justification for playing fast and loose with
• 37:30
  S2: even the deal that they're making on this memorandum of understanding. Right?
• 37:35
  S16: That's correct. That's not just a suggestion that taqiyya and
• 37:40
  S16: the coda is an intentional, uh, planning to deceive. So
• 37:45
  S16: and and Taqiyya is lying for the cause of Islam.
• 37:49
  S16: Both are encouraged. It's more than tolerated. It's encouraged in Koran.
• 37:55
  S16: And that's why the people of Iran, you know, telling Trump, hey,
• 37:58
  S16: you don't sign anything with them. Even if they sign,
• 38:02
  S16: they're not going to follow through. Just remember what they
• 38:04
  S16: did with Trump. They signed an agreement with Trump and
• 38:08
  S16: they got the money. Did they keep it? No. They
• 38:10
  S16: were doing underground development of nuclear sites. They financed all
• 38:15
  S16: the terrorism around the world. So you cannot depend on
• 38:18
  S16: these people. The people of Iran are saying, don't sign
• 38:21
  S16: the contract. All they want is a regime change. And unfortunately,
• 38:25
  S16: there is no way to get there that easy without
• 38:29
  S16: a high price.
• 38:30
  S2: Who are the people that are on the streets? We're
• 38:32
  S2: seeing it all over cable and network news, and I
• 38:35
  S2: wish we almost wouldn't show it because it's frustrating. You
• 38:38
  S2: got these throngs of people, tens of thousands, grieving the
• 38:43
  S2: ayatollah when 90% of the country is glad he's gone
• 38:48
  S2: and and are praying for someone to topple the regime,
• 38:51
  S2: who's out there on the streets or these people under duress?
• 38:54
  S2: Or are they just associated with the Republican Guard? What's
• 38:57
  S2: going on? Hormones?
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  S16: Good question. Several reasons. One is that the government of
• 39:04
  S16: Iran is spending money to bring normalcy to its own
• 39:08
  S16: people and to the world. And of course, you have
• 39:11
  S16: to be wise. Not the loudest voice is not the
• 39:15
  S16: majority voice. And they have. They have forced their employees
• 39:19
  S16: and their families to be there if they will lose
• 39:21
  S16: their job, if they don't. And also, I hope you
• 39:24
  S16: have seen it. I don't think they published that, but
• 39:26
  S16: I've seen that that they are giving away free groceries,
• 39:30
  S16: free internet cards to anybody who comes out on the streets.
• 39:35
  S16: And even though if you look at the pictures, not
• 39:39
  S16: many people have come. You mentioned hundreds of thousands. That's
• 39:42
  S16: not much. There were several million Iranians protesting and gave
• 39:46
  S16: their lives, 40,000 of them on the streets, and they
• 39:49
  S16: were hoping to have millions and millions on the streets
• 39:54
  S16: during this week to show that the people are with
• 39:57
  S16: us and they could not achieve that. So these are
• 40:00
  S16: not many people, you know, compared to those who are
• 40:04
  S16: against the government.
• 40:05
  S2: Okay. Our country does not have an appetite for war
• 40:08
  S2: right now. And is it going to require in order
• 40:11
  S2: to displace the current regime, which is like three layers down?
• 40:17
  S2: Is it going to require let's just get honest. Does
• 40:20
  S2: it require boots on the ground in that country to
• 40:23
  S2: displace them?
• 40:25
  S16: Uh, it does, because you cannot bring down a government
• 40:29
  S16: by just aerial attacks. And we have seen that they
• 40:33
  S16: it needs to be that. But I don't think the
• 40:35
  S16: US is prepared to do that. And Trump will pay
• 40:39
  S16: a high price if he does that. Trump is under
• 40:42
  S16: a lot of pressure. He has no easy solution to
• 40:45
  S16: get out of this.
• 40:46
  S2: No. Yeah. Herman Sherry, our guest right now. Okay. Really quickly,
• 40:51
  S2: are you getting any word from these? The fastest growing
• 40:55
  S2: church in the world right now is Iran. I mean,
• 40:58
  S2: it's hard to get good numbers, but are you getting
• 41:00
  S2: any word back? What's God doing in Iran right now?
• 41:03
  S16: Oh, of course. You know, internet is back for the
• 41:06
  S16: last a month, and I'm in touch with our leaders
• 41:08
  S16: and believers in Iran. Two things. Life is very hard.
• 41:13
  S16: Very hard. Groceries are very expensive. People cannot pay groceries
• 41:18
  S16: and rent. They cannot eat meat maybe once a month.
• 41:22
  S16: And many of them not even once a month. So
• 41:24
  S16: life is hard, but God is at work. At the
• 41:28
  S16: same time, I hear from our leaders there is a
• 41:31
  S16: new openness in heaven in Iran, and people are more
• 41:35
  S16: open to hear the gospel. One thing they share with me,
• 41:39
  S16: they say this hey pastor, almost the spirit of fear
• 41:43
  S16: has lifted Iran. He said, we used to go out
• 41:45
  S16: in public and share the gospel with people, and people
• 41:48
  S16: would say, hush, hush, hush. Don't talk about Jesus in public.
• 41:51
  S16: But now there's no fear. They themselves talk about Jesus,
• 41:56
  S16: about Christianity in public places. So there is a spiritual
• 42:00
  S16: open heaven in Iran. And that's what God has been
• 42:03
  S16: blessing Iran alive, that we have a major impact in
• 42:07
  S16: the history making, spiritual history making in Iran. Please pray
• 42:11
  S16: for us.
• 42:12
  S2: Yeah, we're going to do it right now. Father, in
• 42:15
  S2: Jesus name, we thank you for Hormoz and his ability
• 42:18
  S2: to still get the gospel out via the internet into Iran.
• 42:22
  S2: But we do pray right now for the people of Iran.
• 42:24
  S2: This is so boy, this is dicey. God, I don't
• 42:28
  S2: know how, uh, your will be done on earth as
• 42:33
  S2: it is in heaven, but we are praying for the
• 42:36
  S2: relief of this vast population of people. Many saved, many
• 42:41
  S2: not knowing or nor heard of Jesus yet. But the
• 42:45
  S2: church is exploding in growth. God, you know every soul
• 42:49
  S2: that is surrendering to you. Keep them safe, give them courage,
• 42:56
  S2: and miraculously move. Would you blind the Revolutionary Guard to
• 43:00
  S2: even the presence of our brothers and sisters miraculously. And
• 43:05
  S2: right now, as we pray, Our hearts yearn for your
• 43:09
  S2: glory to be on display in our on spirit of
• 43:14
  S2: the living God. We know that the ultimate peace will
• 43:18
  S2: not come to the Middle East until the Prince of Peace,
• 43:20
  S2: the Son of God, our Messiah Jesus, returns again. But Lord,
• 43:24
  S2: until then, oh Lord, let the gospel go out in power.
• 43:29
  S2: And Lord, I'm going to be honest with you here. Father,
• 43:32
  S2: this is my heart. We want this. We want these
• 43:36
  S2: people to be freed. We want the proxy wars to
• 43:40
  S2: end from this brutal regime. We, we, there's so many
• 43:44
  S2: things that we want to see happen. But you see
• 43:47
  S2: the beginning and the end. You are the Alpha and Omega.
• 43:51
  S2: And so, Lord, we entrust it into your hands. I
• 43:55
  S2: pray for her, Moses, to have incredible boldness, his colleagues
• 43:58
  S2: that are on the ground in Iran, to have just
• 44:02
  S2: bring an awakening, bring a revival. We pray in Jesus name. Amen. Hermosa,
• 44:09
  S2: I love you. Thanks for popping in here, my man. And, uh,
• 44:11
  S2: we're going to give people the website so that they
• 44:14
  S2: can know how to pray and how to be involved.
• 44:16
  S2: Some of you were like, let's go, man. If we
• 44:18
  S2: can get the gospel out to 7 million daily viewers
• 44:24
  S2: while the internet's up and it is the internet up
• 44:27
  S2: right now, Hermosa.
• 44:29
  S16: Well, we are we use satellite. That's 7 million viewers
• 44:32
  S16: per day through our satellite, through satellite. Satellite broadcast cannot
• 44:37
  S16: be stopped if the signal comes from the sky to
• 44:39
  S16: people's homes and they watch us daily. Internet is for communication.
• 44:43
  S16: We are in touch with leaders and people in Iran.
• 44:47
  S2: Fantastic. Okay, that's good clarity. That's right. Satellite can't be blocked, guys,
• 44:53
  S2: what a strategic ministry. And for us to be able
• 44:55
  S2: to feature it here. Trust me, you will not hear
• 44:57
  S2: this on the networks or cable news about Iran alive.
• 45:00
  S2: You're not going to get that. And it makes sense
• 45:04
  S2: that they've got these these cheerleaders for the Ayatollah. And,
• 45:09
  S2: you know, if they're offering internet passage and food and
• 45:15
  S2: they work for the government or their family does.
• 45:18
  S4: You'll lose everything if you don't.
• 45:20
  S2: Yeah, man. It's easy to get a crowd on the streets.
• 45:24
  S2: Hoo boy. There's a lot going on in the world today, guys.
• 45:29
  S2: And it has a lot of impact geopolitically. I mean,
• 45:33
  S2: my goodness, we're in Turkey with the administration just yesterday.
• 45:38
  S2: I don't know if they're still there, but.
• 45:39
  S4: They are still there right now.
• 45:40
  S2: They are a lot to be praying about. Text the
• 45:44
  S2: word alive to 800 555, 78, 98. Maybe throw a
• 45:49
  S2: few shekels to the direction of Iran. alive.org. Text alive
• 45:55
  S2: to 805 557898 805 98. Perfect song. Come, Jesus, come.
• 46:07
  S1: Standing on the rock. Each and every day. You're listening
• 46:11
  S1: to Carl and crew.
• 46:13
  S2: So we've been talking, getting streamlined, getting cleaned out, removing clutter.
• 46:19
  S2: Because we gotta redeem time and clutter. Nothing like a
• 46:22
  S2: good room full of clutter to get in the way
• 46:25
  S2: of time. Redemption.
• 46:26
  S3: I mean, it's so interesting how these two are often
• 46:28
  S3: linked together, but we're gonna move from the clutter in
• 46:31
  S3: your physical space to the clutter in your emotional space,
• 46:35
  S3: which can slow you down just as much, if not more,
• 46:37
  S3: maybe more.
• 46:38
  S2: Yeah. Lori is with us right now. We'll give full
• 46:42
  S2: bio sketch here in a moment. But, Lori, you got
• 46:45
  S2: a heart for this, don't you?
• 46:47
  S17: I do, I do. It's good to look into our
• 46:50
  S17: emotional closets once in a while and do a little
• 46:52
  S17: spring cleaning.
• 46:53
  S3: Lori Davies is with us this morning. She's a former journalist,
• 46:55
  S3: women's ministry director. We're featuring her book this morning. It's
• 46:59
  S3: called Emotional Hoarding Letting Go of the Stuff That keeps
• 47:02
  S3: you stuck. Okay, give us a little bit of your
• 47:05
  S3: own story. You grew up stuffing emotions because of some
• 47:10
  S3: hard life stuff, which a lot of people, as soon
• 47:13
  S3: as I say that sentence, they go, okay, me too.
• 47:15
  S3: You can relate to me. Tell us.
• 47:17
  S17: Yeah, well, I grew up in kind of, you know,
• 47:20
  S17: the 70s post-Vietnam war, just kind of a chaotic time
• 47:24
  S17: on our national map and lives and parts. So just
• 47:28
  S17: kind of a kid in all of that. One of
• 47:30
  S17: the pioneering group of latchkey kids, there was a lot
• 47:35
  S17: of pressure on that generation of kids. And I think
• 47:38
  S17: as a young person, I just had these emotions that
• 47:41
  S17: felt like they were too big for my body, and
• 47:44
  S17: they didn't seem like there was a good place to
• 47:45
  S17: put them.
• 47:46
  S2: Yeah, putting those things is something really important. You know
• 47:49
  S2: what's interesting, Lori, as you say that, I realize again
• 47:53
  S2: and again what an advantage I had because I had
• 47:56
  S2: a dad and a mom mom less or so, but
• 47:59
  S2: dad very much so. Help me offload stuff that I
• 48:03
  S2: was thinking and feeling. What do you do if you
• 48:06
  S2: don't have someone to help you with that? And what
• 48:08
  S2: happens to what's stuck in there? Does it keep piling up?
• 48:12
  S2: What's going on?
• 48:13
  S17: Yeah, I think it does keep piling up. I think
• 48:15
  S17: our hearts are an awful lot like homes. You know,
• 48:18
  S17: if we don't sort of periodically take a look around
• 48:21
  S17: at our environment. So I'm talking about our emotional environment.
• 48:25
  S17: If we don't kind of take a look around and
• 48:27
  S17: look at what's accumulated, one thing on top of another.
• 48:31
  S17: And then pretty soon we're dealing with a combo platter.
• 48:35
  S17: And if we don't kind of stop and decide, hey,
• 48:38
  S17: I'm going to deal with some of this stuff, then
• 48:41
  S17: you get a little bit older and it comes out
• 48:43
  S17: to bite you. You're all of a sudden playing an
• 48:45
  S17: emergency game of emotional whack a mole, when you could
• 48:48
  S17: have kind of been dealing with this stuff as you go.
• 48:51
  S17: So that's not to heap shame because there's a reason
• 48:54
  S17: we don't do it. It's hard to do.
• 48:56
  S3: Lori, when you look at someone who struggles with hoarding
• 49:01
  S3: physical stuff, it's usually pretty obvious. You walk into a home.
• 49:05
  S3: Maybe you can't even get past the front door because
• 49:07
  S3: of the stuff. What are the warning signs that a
• 49:10
  S3: heart is hoarding? Emotions. It's not necessarily as obvious.
• 49:16
  S17: Honestly, with physical hoarding. Often you don't know that someone
• 49:21
  S17: in your life is physically hoarding because they won't let
• 49:24
  S17: you in. And I think one of the clues about
• 49:27
  S17: emotional hoarding is we don't want to let people in.
• 49:30
  S17: So if someone's really closed off, not in touch with
• 49:34
  S17: their emotions, not expressing emotions beyond maybe the easier ones, which,
• 49:40
  S17: you know, anger comes to mind. That's just an easy
• 49:42
  S17: one to grab. And it's usually pretty thin cover for
• 49:46
  S17: harder stuff that's underneath. So I think that's one of
• 49:50
  S17: the clues. You know, other high level clues are do
• 49:53
  S17: they just think about something all the time? Are they
• 49:56
  S17: just riding that lane? You know, maybe it's regret or
• 50:00
  S17: maybe it's, you know, sort of revenge. There's some undealt
• 50:04
  S17: with bitterness, unforgiveness, anger. So rumination is what clinicians would
• 50:09
  S17: call that. And then the opposite would be if they
• 50:12
  S17: just stuff things under the rug, they just don't talk
• 50:16
  S17: about anything. They're really closed off about their emotion.
• 50:20
  S2: Yeah. Lori, I got to tell you, there's seems to
• 50:24
  S2: be a couple of different ways you can fall off
• 50:26
  S2: of dealing with this. One is kind of put a
• 50:29
  S2: scripture verse on it and kind of hope it goes away.
• 50:32
  S2: And that's dangerous. The other one, though, is to fixate
• 50:37
  S2: on this without getting any solutions. What have you discovered
• 50:40
  S2: are the real solutions so that people aren't stuck in
• 50:45
  S2: a bitterness track, stuck in an anger track, stuck in
• 50:48
  S2: a forever regretful about a decision I made track. How
• 50:52
  S2: do we get free from that? Really?
• 50:55
  S17: There's a couple things that come to mind. Number one,
• 50:58
  S17: if you're really stuck in one of those tracks, as
• 51:01
  S17: you mentioned, because those are the deadly ones, those are
• 51:04
  S17: the ones that will keep us in a life of bondage.
• 51:06
  S17: I think it's a multi-pronged approach, Carl. I think there's
• 51:09
  S17: always room for therapy. I would recommend it. I would
• 51:12
  S17: recommend that you get with a counselor who can help
• 51:14
  S17: you wind back, kind of get to the core of
• 51:18
  S17: what's going on. So that's one option. Another option. Get
• 51:21
  S17: with a mentor, get with someone where you can kind
• 51:25
  S17: of get this stuff out in a safe way, someone
• 51:29
  S17: who is not going to flinch at the hard things
• 51:32
  S17: that tumble out of your mouth. And then I think
• 51:35
  S17: scripture always provides a way out of the hard things
• 51:40
  S17: that we hoard. So God doesn't just say, don't worry, Carl.
• 51:44
  S17: He says, don't worry. And here's a roadmap, Carl, for
• 51:49
  S17: how you can restore, rejuvenate, recalibrate your mind so that
• 51:55
  S17: you won't worry anymore. That's Philippians four eight. By the way,
• 51:58
  S17: so God doesn't hide the ball. If we really go
• 52:01
  S17: to the word looking for solutions rather than platitudes, we
• 52:05
  S17: will find them.
• 52:06
  S3: Lori. Let's name some of these emotions. I mean, we
• 52:11
  S3: touched on anger a little bit. There's shame. What are
• 52:15
  S3: some of those other emotions that we can hoard?
• 52:18
  S17: Yeah. I think we live buried under a mountain of regret. Fear.
• 52:24
  S17: We can hold on to fear. It can almost feel
• 52:27
  S17: falsely like protection. False guilt. How about dread from secrets?
• 52:33
  S17: You know, sometimes we're so afraid that that thing we're
• 52:36
  S17: keeping secret is going to spill. And we live our
• 52:39
  S17: lives in dread, worthlessness, shame. I think those are things
• 52:43
  S17: we hang on to. To. I think as Christians, there's
• 52:46
  S17: a real tension there because we know we shouldn't, and
• 52:48
  S17: yet we do.
• 52:50
  S2: So, Lori, how does this work? How do we get
• 52:53
  S2: emotions that have been hoarded, offloaded.
• 52:57
  S17: I think first we have to acknowledge we're hanging on.
• 53:00
  S17: We have to be honest with ourselves and go, yeah,
• 53:02
  S17: this is something that I've allowed to accumulate in my heart,
• 53:06
  S17: you know, for my for my own part, I can
• 53:09
  S17: tell you I had my conversion moment on this with
• 53:13
  S17: realizing I've been holding on to a grudge for several years,
• 53:18
  S17: and I've gotten to the place where I almost felt
• 53:21
  S17: entitled to it. And I don't see that anywhere in Scripture.
• 53:25
  S17: So I, I was living in direct opposition to, you know,
• 53:28
  S17: the thing Jesus holds of highest value, which is forgiveness.
• 53:33
  S17: So I think the first thing is to acknowledge, yeah,
• 53:36
  S17: I'm holding on to this thing. And then what do
• 53:39
  S17: you do? Well, in my case, I was confronted almost
• 53:43
  S17: in a Prophet Nathan like moment. So I was out
• 53:46
  S17: in my pool just sort of asking God what he
• 53:48
  S17: wanted me to think about, what he wanted me to
• 53:50
  S17: learn about the scripture I'd read that morning. And he
• 53:54
  S17: hit me with a two by four and called to
• 53:58
  S17: my attention the fact that I was actively holding a
• 54:02
  S17: grudge and had been for some time. And I got
• 54:05
  S17: out of my pool and I went inside and just
• 54:09
  S17: went before the Lord and. And told him I was
• 54:12
  S17: sorry for nursing that grudge, holding on to that grudge
• 54:16
  S17: like we even. Again, we use the language of hoarding
• 54:19
  S17: with some of this stuff. So I think sometimes it's
• 54:21
  S17: just first seeing it and then secondly, going before the
• 54:25
  S17: Lord and saying, you offer a better way. And I've
• 54:28
  S17: been disconnected from that, and I want your way because
• 54:31
  S17: it's life. My way has been death.
• 54:34
  S3: Lori, after that moment, did you get a measure of
• 54:37
  S3: freedom out of that? I mean, because when there's been
• 54:40
  S3: betrayal or there's been hurt, there's been offense. Boy, that
• 54:43
  S3: can be so tough to let go of. Did the
• 54:47
  S3: Lord answer that prayer for you?
• 54:49
  S17: That is such an insightful question because this was a
• 54:52
  S17: serious offense. This wasn't just like someone looked at me
• 54:56
  S17: sideways in the parking lot. This was one of those
• 54:59
  S17: sort of like, life core wounds, and I think we
• 55:04
  S17: can trick ourselves into thinking we're entitled to hold those
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  S17: grudges I did anyway. But to your question, I felt
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  S17: almost immediate freedom. My first question to the Lord the
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  S17: next day was, how do you want me to serve
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  S17: you today? And it had just been such a very
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  S17: long time since I'd asked him that question. Because the
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  S17: other thing, the hurt, the wound, had consumed me for
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  S17: so long.
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  S3: I know that this is hitting you at home. As
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  S3: you're listening to Lori's story, we want to give you
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  S3: a link to a resource. The book is called Emotional
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  S3: Hoarding Letting Go of the Stuff That Keeps You Stuck.
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  S3: Just text stuck to 800, 555, 78, 98. We'll send
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  S3: it right over. Just text stuck to (800) 555-7898.