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We caught up with Joel Garbin some time ago.
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He did a presentation about the Urantia book at a UFO event.
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His presentation caught my attention and we have remained
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friends ever since. But in this discussion you are
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about to hear about the UFO ancient alien connection.
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What I found in my research recently is that the earliest
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ancient kingdoms of men have a striking resemblance to the
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various ancient aliens of our past, which were many according
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to the Urantia Book. For example, the Eratians and
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the Acadians of eastern Turkey emerged from Lake Van, the same
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spot. The Urantia Book says the
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Atomites and Nodites lived for thousands of years.
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Our very understanding of human evolution does not account for
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advanced past civilizations and yet we have more than enough
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evidence to show there were in fact ancient advanced
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civilizations. Where did they come from?
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And many of these ancient advanced civilizations gave
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birth to some of the world's oldest religions.
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We will talk about all of this, plus some insight into what is
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going on today with government cover ups of so-called alien
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races. It's a lot to uncover and we
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will with my guest Joel Garvin on this episode of the Rancher
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Radio Podcast. And I want to welcome my guest
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Joel Garvin. He's been on the program before.
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You might remember in previous podcast we went into a lot about
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Ufology, UFOs, ancient aliens and how they relate to the
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teachings of the Urancha book. And Joel I consider to be sort
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of an expert, but at the same time he's also Urancha book
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reader. So he knows the Urancha book and
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it makes it easy and possible for us to have this kind of
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conversation which I think is quite unique not only to your
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answer book readers and but would also prove to be
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interesting to people who are into Ufology.
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So hopefully people who are finding this podcast and and who
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are into things like ancient aliens might find what we have
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to say quite interesting. How are you, Joel, and Happy New
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Year to you? Oh, thanks Jim.
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Yeah, I'm doing great and I'm really happy to reconnect with
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you and revisit this topic about the UFOET matters and life on
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your ranch. It seems like it's all mixed
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together. Yeah, it sure is.
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These are no question, interesting times.
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What makes some of it interesting is that in the last
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few months, as you know, because you and I have been talking
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about this, but apparently when it comes to UFOs, a lot of
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Americans are convinced that we are our government are, are
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engaged with intelligent life forms from other worlds.
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Is that, is that your assessment that there is a belief right now
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that we are engaged with an intelligent life form and have
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been for quite some time? Oh, I'd say it's much more than
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a belief, Jim. This is really a proven fact.
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There's been expert testimony from within the intelligence
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community's military community, military industrial contractor,
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community, whistleblower testimony provided to
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congressional panels, hearings on this topic because of the the
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high credibility of the testimony of these
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whistleblowers and where so much of this kind of reached a head.
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Where it kind of exploded onto the media scene, happened this
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past June, June of of 2023 when a a gentleman named David Grush
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came forward as a whistleblower and gave his testimony from the
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standpoint of his position as a former US Air Force officer.
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He worked in the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency
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and in the National Reconnaissance Office.
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He gave testimony to the US Senate Select Committee on
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Intelligence and he he gave his testimony that there are not
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only real alien as an ETUFO crashed vehicles that had been
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recovered, many of them, but also what was termed biologics
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meaning actual bodies of of extraterrestrials that's you
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know supposedly the pilots of these craft.
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Now the the attorney, well the the Inspector General for the
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Intelligence community, he found that the the complaint that was
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filed by this David Grush that all of this information had been
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suppressed by the Pentagon. The the Inspector General found
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that this was a credible complaint and he said it's also
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urgent. In fact, he, he quote UN quote,
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said this is credible and urgent and that the intelligence
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community has inappropriately withheld information on this
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topic from Congress. So it's not unusual that members
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of Congress and even the White House itself have been excluded
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from what's really been going on, on this whole topic of of
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UFOs and and ET for for well over generations.
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It's been at at least 70 years, maybe longer, but certainly it
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goes back to the 1940s where a lot of activity was happening.
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Everyone's heard about Roswell incident in New Mexico back in
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the 40s and and people have heard bits and pieces of that.
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But, but just going forward from there, there's been all kinds of
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of activity that has gone on with the US military getting
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involved with this phenomenon, with crash retrievals, with
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weapons programs to actually be able to target and bring down
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extraterrestrial craft. And most recently, this topic
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has been taken so seriously in the Congress that there was a
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bill proposed by the Senate that required the Full disclosure of
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the Pentagon and any military industrial contractor companies.
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And these would be the big, big aerospace contractors, you know
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like the Boeings and the, the Lockheeds etcetera.
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They had to turn over everything they have on this whether if, if
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they have any types of artifacts from these crash retrievals, if
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they've done any type of back engineered technology.
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From what they've learned from these recovered materials.
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If they have any information regarding the occupants of those
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crafts or anything else pertaining to this matter that
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they would be required to turn this over by law to to the
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Congressional folks, our elected officials.
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And also this bill had in at the provision that there would be a
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a public oversight committee on this process and that Congress
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would have full subpoena power to call forward any
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whistleblowers or any personnel connected with the phenomenon
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that might be within the Pentagon or in the intelligence
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community or in these military industrial contractor companies.
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Now when that bill was put forward, it caused a huge stir
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within the Pentagon and within the military industrial
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companies and they lobbied very, very hard to have those
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provisions that required the this this information to be
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turned over to Congress. They lobbied hard against that,
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they lobbied hard against the the Public Oversight Committee
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and they lobbied hard against the subpoena power.
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Now what that clearly is, is just continued cover up
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activity. If they have nothing to hide
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then why all of this fierce resistance to the provisions in
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that bill? So this is this is a very high
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level situation going on and I have some personal contacts who
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are who are pretty deeply embedded in this whole thing,
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including Daniel Sheehan who is a constitutional lawyer who's
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been involved in some very high profile court cases.
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Anyone who looks up Daniel Sheehan, you will, you will find
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you know his his profile. Brilliant man.
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He has served as the General Counsel for both the what's been
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termed the Disclosure Project, which is is tried to to bring
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out hundreds of these whistleblowers in front of
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Congress. He also has been the General
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counsel for several of these individual whistleblowers,
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including the folks like David Grush, who who gave his
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testimony most recently Now. Now, what Daniel Sheehan has
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done is he has set up a an office in Washington, DC pretty
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much right across from the Supreme Court and it's it's
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called the New Paradigm Institute.
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And what it is doing right now is it is facilitating meetings
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between the few dozen most significant whistleblowers and
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members of Congress so that members of Congress can hear the
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whole story, unadulterated, unfiltered, so that they know
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first hand what that testimony is before they go into
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congressional hearings. And it's a human.
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Service. There's a lot of stuff that you
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covered there. What are they?
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What is everybody whistleblowing about?
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Are they whistleblowing about the fact that there's been alien
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technology? Are they whistleblowing the fact
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that we are currently, right now, at the present age, having
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interaction with these alien forces that don't live and
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they're not from this world? What exactly are it?
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It's it's always like I I get the same feeling talking to you
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as I get when I'm watching an episode of Ancient Aliens.
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There's all this stuff going on, but it never really gets to a
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conclusion. What is it?
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That's what I want to know. What is it that everybody will
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somebody please say what it is that they're whistleblowing of?
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What is the truth here? You know what I'm saying?
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So. Jim, Yeah.
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So I'd ask you to to put yourself in the shoes.
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Let's say you're a Sergeant in our armed forces and you're part
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of a a task team that is an emergency response core of
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highly trained military professionals that when you get
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a call to go recover a crashed object and you might think that
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that recovered crash is maybe it's a Soviet military jet or a
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Chinese drone or or who knows what.
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And then you go to that scene and what you find is this is a
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saucer that has no visible entrance to it, because the
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engineering of the craft is such that there's no visible seams,
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no bolts, no rivets, maybe no windows, no way to get in or
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out. All right.
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And then you see that there are bodies next to it that are not
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Earth human bodies. Humanoid, yes, but not not
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clearly definable as as Earth humans.
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And then you see that what is immediately mobilized are all of
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these other military or special OPS teams that are telling you
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immediately that you just do your job and you shut up.
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You don't tell anybody what's going on here or there's going
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to be serious consequences. And then and then as as you Jim,
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in that capacity as a Sergeant, you you find out over years
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what's going on in that there's a back engineering program going
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on. That this, this technology that
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appears to be alien in nature is being weaponized and it's being
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used in various covert ways. And that the funding for those
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programs are coming from a black budget program that is funneling
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over the years, hundreds of billions, perhaps trillions of
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dollars of taxpayer money into black budget programs where
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there is no congressional oversight.
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And that this has been going on for a long time.
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And then you find out that that wasn't the only particular
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incident, but that there have been dozens of these recoveries
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that have gone on. And so now you, Jim, you find
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out from your buddy network and now maybe you are retired from
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the military and you've been watching the state of our world.
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I I I get that. I get what you're saying about
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the the guy who's in that that position but we're so far
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beyond. I I think you you kind of
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answered the question the the big surprise here or the big
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revelation here is that we have come across alien technology and
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our government has figured out a way to reverse engineer a lot of
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this technology maybe some you know Boeing some of these other
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entities these agencies have have benefited OK so but but
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you're you're talking to a guy who grew up watching Star Trek
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close encounters, Star Wars. I mean, the idea of life being
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out there is is already almost an A priori assumption because
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we have more than. And that's why I kind of want to
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steer. Let's assume for the sake of all
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of this discussion. Well, I don't need the
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government to tell me that there are extraterrestrials.
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I don't need them to tell me or confirm it if they're hiding it.
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You know, someday we'll find out.
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I I I was convinced a long time ago when I heard that Eisenhower
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went to Palmdale one day to have a meeting with, you know, some
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representative from some other some other world.
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So I'm. I'm in.
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And I think you're in too. That's why we're all so
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fascinated. But here's where the metal meets
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the road or the the you know what we're really talking about?
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Is it #1? There is life out there and
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there, and there's more. You and I, being Urania book
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readers, understand that there is a plethora of life out there.
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Maybe the world is behind, but we believe, or at least the
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Urania books states that actually we're part of one
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system that's comprised of 619 other worlds very similar to our
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own, maybe some a little different.
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OK, so let's narrow in on that. Let's assume that there is life
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out there. Let's also assume that our
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planet has been visited many times over the past millennia.
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We have the Urania book says that they showed up 500,000
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years ago. And if you want to go back to
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the life carriers, they showed up well over a billion years ago
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to to kind of get things going to our evolutionary life would
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appear again. It's no big deal, but my
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question is how come we never connect what the Urantia Book
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says about there being an advanced spiritual and mirantial
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life form that has been part of the growth of this world we
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we're living in a in a grand, organized, living universe.
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There's a purpose to all this madness and that all of these
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ancient aliens that were visiting our world are exactly
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the ancient aliens that the Urantia Book describes.
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The Nodites, the Adamites, the sons of Adam, Adam and Eve.
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Calagasti is 100. There's the other piece of the
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missing puzzle. If you look at a map of all of
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these olden kingdoms, the Acadians, the Eurasians, it goes
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back, it starts to diminish around 5000 BC, which is
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basically when the Andites, their last aspersion into the
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end, and we can go into the Andites and all that.
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Don't you think that's a better story?
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Oh, absolutely. Yeah, Jim, it is a better story.
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And part I mean personally. Part of my purpose in my
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connections with many of the the UFO researchers has been to get
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them to examine the uranium material because it does paint
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such a seamless picture as far as a highly inhabited universe.
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Civilizations that clearly have existed for far longer than the
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humanity on this planet and that much of of the the early
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civilization, if not all of it in in Earth history came from
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beings who who are technologically advanced.
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They came from worlds like the Calagasia 100.
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Those were 100 individuals who had lived human lives on 100
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other planets from our local system, each of those planets
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significantly older than our own planet.
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And they undoubtedly would have had among that mix of 100
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beings, all kinds of advanced knowledge about science,
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engineering, construction methods, energy, propulsion, you
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name it. But just a a a whole box of
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tools, in other words, that could be used to advance
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civilization here on this planet.
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So that makes great sense to me and I think to other people who
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see that the story is told in great detail in the Urantia
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Book. And so when you watch a program
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like Ancient Aliens which you referenced, they kind of pulled
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out little pieces of this of archaeological discoveries, all
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kinds of speculation about things.
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They're trying to to tie it into the the current UFO disclosure
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movement and all that. But they they have all these
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missing pieces they don't have any type of real, coherent and
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consistent explanation for. No they don't.
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No and. Your answer book lays it out
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beautifully. Yeah, let me let me throw out
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some examples. So, Joel, I I pulled up.
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I did. I've been studying this for
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about, I don't know, three or four months.
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I went back and I looked at all of the oldest empires, meaning
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that these were groups or areas of of the world where there was
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some kind of like advancement going on, like they were smarter
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than what was going on around them and and it was localized,
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localized, advanced societies. The Sumerians are the oldest
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ones that we have on record and they go all the way back to
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4500. Now the Urantia book makes the
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claim that these are the last of the Andites.
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Who are the Andites? The Andites are a an
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amalgamation of the the descendants of Adam and the
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descendants of the Nodites, which was, in reference to the
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planetary Prince that showed up a half a million years ago, the
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appearance of the colored races. Then we have the Indus, that's
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the second oldest civilization, the Harapen Empire, the third
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oldest the Egyptian empire. And I'm doing this in
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chronological, chronological order, and I'll save everybody a
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lot of time. As I look through each one of
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these different groups, what I noticed is that they correlate
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with exactly what the Urantia Book says is what happened as
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the atomites and the andites emerged from Mesopotamia,
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Babylonia, and all these ancient Southwest Asian and Persian
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areas, Mesopotamia and all that. And so there's connective tissue
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here to show that we we are the descendants of these ancient
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aliens. Yeah.
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And I think that's, I love how you, you walked along that
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timeline of all these, you know, fairly well researched
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historical civilizations. You know something, Jim, that
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the Aransa book lays out is all of the different Nodite centers
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of of civilization. It wasn't just like 1 little
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group like the quote UN quote the Land of Nod, but it says
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there were, there were basically four different centers of Nodite
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civilization there. There was the Western Nodites
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who were basically around Syria who later became the Assyrians.
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OK, right. Yeah, yeah, the Eastern.
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The Babylonian Empire, That's correct.
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That's right. Exactly.
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You had the Eastern Nodites who who were the Elamites?
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And those were the, quote UN quote land of Nod people.
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You had the Central Nodites who were around the mouth of the
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Tigris. Euphrates, where the Sumerians
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were, were kind of the last remnants of those Central
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Nodites and then the Northern Nodites who were, who were
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described as being the descendants of Van and Amidon.
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OK, they were established around eastern Turkey or Armenia, which
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is where Lake Van itself is located.
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And guess what is right in that area?
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It's the the very famous archaeological excavation of
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Gobekli Tepe. That's right.
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OK. It goes back 12,000 years.
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Exactly, exactly. So the answer book really can
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really can connect that to the the Nodites who who first, you
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know, the Nodites really came about 200,000 years ago.
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So they had all kinds of time to to build cities, to build
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megalithic structures. The Andites who you referred to,
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who came along later, who were, who were the blended race of the
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the atomites and the Nodites. And generally going back to
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about 30,000 years ago and then moving forward, You know, they
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were described in your answer book as great builders and that
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they were actually the ones who who built the pyramids, the
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obelisks, these other megalithic structures.
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They were great explorers, meaning that look, these guys,
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they were going around the globe, they were carrying their
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their technology, their, their construction prowess, their
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engineering skills, they're carrying these around.
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So that easily explains how come there are pyramids all around
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the globe back thousands of years.
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You know two groups that are probably more of the well known
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ancient kingdoms are the Acadians or the Acadians which
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existed around 2500 BC. They are the descendants of the,
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as you mentioned, the Northern Nodites, Lake Van region as well
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as the Eurasians, which is very similar to the term Euransians
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if you if you could see it phonetically.
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But again you know the Olmecs you mentioned about how the
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Andites then spread out the Adamite spreading out their
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seed, all the Olmecs, another very ancient civilization.
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And and see to illustrate I think this Joel and I know you
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know this but it it this is not consistent What we're talking
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about here is inconsistent with the scientific view of
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evolutionary man because science has it that the farther you go
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back the Dumber we are. And yet if you go back and and
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you go back really far you start to find out that there were
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these advanced civilizations. Why would there be advanced
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civilizations farther back like you say go Goblucky, Tepe it's
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12,000 years old. In fact the farther you dig the
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more intricate the designs are of the of the grand structures
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that they built. I I tend to think maybe they
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were trying to preserve it. I was also reading the Arancha
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book today, which something I hadn't really noticed before,
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but they said there was a great climactic change that occurred
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around 1012 thousand BC. It had to do with glaciers
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advancing, winds shifting, because up to that time the
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Mesopotamian and valleys were like the fruited plains of the
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United States. There was pastoral living, there
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was agricultural living. It led to the advancement of
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culture in China and in Western China and Tibet.
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So all of this portends to the fact that we are the offspring
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of a one time advancing civil civilization that that came here
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to uplift us biologically and spiritually.
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And so that's the whole point of this conversation that you and I
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are having. Nobody seems able to connect the
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dots that all these ancient aliens were actually spiritual
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in nature, I believe. And whoever we're dealing with
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now may very well be aliens from another world.
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Maybe, but I don't know if they're part of that.
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The the group of this seraphic governments the most highs.
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You know what I'm saying? I, I, I, I have trouble
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connecting the the aliens that we're talking to today,
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supposedly. What's their connection to the
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Seraphic government? What's their what's their
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connection to Michael? What's their connection to melt
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the Melchizedeks? Any ideas on that?
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Yeah. So those those are great
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questions. And I I I want to go back just
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real quickly to a comment you just made about all of these
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advanced civilizations or these advanced groups of of human race
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as being spiritual. Certainly the original intent
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when Callagasky arrived half a million years ago with his staff
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was to uplift human civilization not only through advancement in
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culture and technology and and such, but also imparting basic
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spiritual truths. Now as we know in the rebellion
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200,000 years ago that went awry and it was intentionally
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distorted and it it resulted in chaos on this planet and and
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basically took all the advancements that had been made
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among Earth humanity in that that you know Middle East region
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and totally retarded it total retrograde.
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So now humanity devolves back into barbarism, except for those
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pockets of civilization where they they maintained some
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cohesion, some culture, some spiritual awareness and and they
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were able to continue to propagate some of those
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spiritual troops. But that was spotty at best.
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And a lot of those, lot of those succeeding blended races of
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these, these ten different races that emerged with the Andites
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being the last of those 10 races.
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You know a lot of the of the spiritual wisdom had gone into
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complete darkness. So we see all the wars, we we
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see all the competition, we see the extinction of the orange
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race and the green race, the submergence of of other races.
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So you know that there was a lot of non spiritual activity going
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on, you know, through throughout that time.
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Although the intent, the original intent was to uplift us
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with with a real solid spiritual truth, Now I think you know,
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coming, you know, to later times, you know, when we have
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these, these observations of, OK, we've got apparent UFOs,
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apparent extraterrestrial visitation going back at least
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decades, if not hundreds or thousands of years.
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What's the connection? Well, what if you look at what
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the Urantia Book has to say about life carriers.
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You know, not only did we have life carriers appear on this
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planet, you know, a billion years ago and established life
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here on this planet 600 years or 600 million years ago according
30:33
to the Urantia Book, but they remain on the planet, a core of
30:38
14 life carriers that are here, still here right now.
30:43
Those beings are not just spiritual or mirantial.
30:50
They have the ability to to exist in a third phase that is
30:54
actually physical. And that's because they have to
30:58
have the ability to actually do physical experimentation,
31:03
biological manipulation, genetic engineering and such.
31:09
So they have laboratories, physical laboratories.
31:12
They have to transport those laboratories from the the
31:17
universe headquarters to this planet.
31:21
And the, the book says that the life experimentation that was
31:26
done by the life curious for this planet were actually done
31:30
on this planet. Meaning they had physical
31:33
laboratories here. While those don't just magically
31:36
appear out of, you know, out of the ethers, those had to be
31:41
transported here with real physical craft.
31:44
OK, So that means, you know, from our standpoint, that would
31:47
have been a UFO. OK, An actual physical craft
31:52
with physical stuff, Instruments, you know,
31:54
experiments, you know, chemical chemistry going on.
31:58
All all this stuff you know, as well as who the support staff
32:03
would have been, might have included engineers,
32:05
electrochemists, all kinds of things.
32:08
Who had who had high, high skill and competency in genetic
32:12
engineering? You know I say that whenever
32:16
real quick as a as sort of a illustration, Joel.
32:19
I say that typically when we as humans go out and survey an area
32:24
that we're about to say build up a mall, who goes out there
32:27
first? The people that measure, the
32:30
people that try to figure out where the where the poles going
32:32
to go, where's the electricity going to go, where's the sewage
32:35
in the pipes. There's there's always these
32:37
preliminary groups. And I would suspect in our early
32:40
ages there were advanced spiritual Asians sometimes who
32:44
could make themselves in physical form, who would come
32:47
here and laid the groundwork, which is what they did for the
32:50
Garden of Eden. They assembled a group of people
32:52
who would go out and prepare the garden so that when Adam and Eve
32:56
could arrive, then they could begin to transform humanity.
32:59
Which is what they intended to do, yeah.
33:02
We would call, we would call those civil engineers, These are
33:06
the ones who plan the infrastructure, right.
33:09
So, so there's a parallel to that.
33:13
You know, you, you look, you look kind of next, you know, So
33:17
when we hear these accounts, these witness testimonies,
33:22
including all the contactees out there, and there are millions of
33:27
humans who claim to be contactees not just here in the
33:31
United States, but around the world.
33:32
And I have met many, many of these personally have had had
33:36
discussions with them. I've heard their stories.
33:39
Some of the stories are are very encouraging, some of them are
33:42
traumatic. But these are just regular
33:45
people who have who have a very life changing and profound story
33:49
to tell. And you know and there are again
33:53
millions of people who claim to be contactees, meaning they've
33:56
had, they've had direct interaction with with beings not
34:01
native to this planet. Now one of the things you come
34:04
across routinely is that there there are descriptions primarily
34:09
of two types of beings, these grey type of beings, you know,
34:13
relatively small the the kind of bug eyed type that we've all
34:17
seen, you know. Kind of classic that you'd.
34:19
Be yes, then you also have what are described as the Nordics
34:25
tall, blonde, blue eyed, beautiful people.
34:32
OK highly intelligent and and who seem to have control over
34:39
these grey beings. OK well so who are these
34:42
Nordics? Well, that those kind of fit the
34:46
description of what the Urantia book calls the material sons and
34:51
daughters or the atomites it, it describes them very well.
34:57
Well, what might the material sons and daughters be doing here
35:01
on, you know, extraterrestrial visitations to this planet?
35:06
Well, there's could be a number of things.
35:08
Are they doing surveys or they, are they doing kind of like
35:13
biological inspections of the progress of of humanity and our
35:19
genetics? Are they supervising what the
35:24
what the impacts have been of radiation on this planet?
35:29
Of the chemicals that are saturating our environment?
35:32
Of the pollution in the biosphere?
35:35
Of of the effects of electromagnetic exposure that
35:39
that virtually all humans have by way of of all of our our
35:44
electromagnetic infrastructure including our cell phones
35:46
computers all this stuff all of which effects our biology.
35:51
So are they monitoring us and and doing that monitoring
35:57
through the type of well what what's been known as the
36:02
abductee phenomenon where people are taken and and these
36:07
experiments are done that often are traumatic in nature.
36:12
And again I've heard many of these personal accounts of of
36:15
these type of things. You know are they doing that are
36:19
they doing that under a benevolent purpose.
36:23
Is there something else going on.
36:26
Are these perhaps just visitors who are here observing and
36:33
they're interested they're scientifically interested
36:36
because this planet is a decimal planet meaning it's a life
36:40
modification sphere. This is the planet where where
36:44
where Michael the creator son, incarnated.
36:48
It's also of interest because it it, it has a an Archangel
36:52
divisional headquarters on all kinds of reasons that that
36:55
advanced beings from elsewhere would have interest in this
36:58
planet. So.
37:00
So who are they? What is their purpose?
37:03
It's it's a bit murky. It's hard to to know exactly
37:06
what it is. But what is clear is that
37:09
there's there are abductee experiences, their experiments
37:14
done on the human beings who are who are taken and there's a
37:18
hybridization program that's going on.
37:21
It's active OK where where human women are impregnated and and
37:30
basically just states you know fetuses that aren't fully earth
37:38
human. And there's all kinds of
37:41
accounts of this and and I believe this is, this is a a
37:45
very real program that's been going on for a long time at
37:49
least, you know, many decades, several generations.
37:54
Yeah, now you know, and my doctor wants me to do this 4 * a
37:57
year, going for a blood test and roll your sleeve up.
38:00
And so why wouldn't an advanced race of people also want to keep
38:05
tabs on our whatever they're looking for, right?
38:09
They want to see how we're doing, how we're progressing.
38:11
It's very fascinating, yeah. Yeah.
38:14
And the concept of hybridization is not new, because that's what
38:18
the whole Adamic purpose was, was for.
38:23
For the direct descendants of Adam and Eve to increase in
38:27
number to somewhere between a half million and a million
38:31
Direct Line descendants. This is the violent race.
38:35
And then they were to go out and interbreed with the evolutionary
38:40
human races. Not Adam and Eve directly, but
38:42
their their progeny, right? Yeah, yes, exactly.
38:46
And that would produce a hybrid race of of the of the Violet
38:52
race, the Adamites and the evolutionary humans, which were
38:55
the the six saying it races plus the Andonite race.
39:01
And that would have given new biological endowments to that
39:09
hybrid race, which would have include higher intelligence, a a
39:13
better physique, higher spiritual capacity, you know,
39:19
increased lifespan, increased resistance to disease, all of
39:24
these benefits that would have come from that hybridization
39:28
program. And of course, as we know, with
39:30
the default of Adam and Eve, that whole program went awry.
39:34
So again it became very spotty where those those enhanced
39:40
genetic endowments occurred and and it was not uniformly
39:46
distributed through all of the races of the the evolutionary
39:51
humans it was it was concentrated in generally the
39:55
what they called the the primary sangak races.
39:58
And so it was not a uniform endowment and that that has been
40:03
part of the problem as well. In in what happens in later
40:08
times with the subjugation of certain races by other races,
40:12
because they couldn't compete, they couldn't compete
40:15
intellectually, technologically. And so you know what's going to
40:19
happen in those cases, because we have all kinds of examples in
40:23
human history, what happens when a more technologically advanced
40:28
group contacts one that is less advanced.
40:32
It's very predictable what happens.
40:34
One of them gets subjugated by the other.
40:37
Or destroyed. Yes.
40:39
Or destroyed completely and it's happened many many times.
40:42
And let me also add, just if you look again going back to the
40:45
timeline, you really start to see the nucleus in my opinion
40:50
the nucleus of the atom effect on humanity around 5000 BC
40:55
because that's when we started to make the transition to more
40:58
of a herder. Our food sources became better,
41:02
we we were more organized. It was the beginnings of trade.
41:05
So you you right about when the Adamic line or the Andite line
41:11
starts to almost become non effective, it's when you start
41:16
to see the emergence of human civilization and now we're in
41:21
that process. I I think we're still early in
41:24
that process because you know 5-10 thousand years is nothing
41:28
when you when you think about the fact that humanity has been
41:30
around for a million. So we've been in existence for a
41:33
million years, but only in the last 5000 have we started to
41:37
really evolve towards what we would consider to be a
41:40
progressive civilization and what what was the thing, what
41:43
was the igniter, what started the fire?
41:46
And I'll say it again, because I think it's important we are the
41:49
descendants, or at least we have been interbred with a
41:53
spiritually advanced civilization that brought their
41:57
seed here. They brought their genetic
41:58
contribution here. And we are the end result.
42:01
And I think that is that is a headline I and I'm not sure how
42:06
it ties into the ancient Aliens. But I think you've done a good
42:08
job, Joel. And I also think there's a bit
42:11
of irony to this whole thing because the number one company
42:15
in the world today to care to take a guess what it is.
42:21
Well, it's it's probably Tesla. No, no, It's apple.
42:26
And the and the story of the apple goes back to the
42:29
beginnings of when the garden fell and Adam and Eve were here.
42:33
And yet here is this symbol of the apple, the the, the, the
42:37
fruit of knowledge. Where did that knowledge come
42:39
from? Of course, the narrative in the
42:42
Bible is that Eve was tempted to eat from the apple, and she
42:46
wasn't supposed to. But I still think it's
42:48
interesting that the apple is a symbol of the modern age, and
42:52
that's where all of our real growth started to come from, so.
42:57
And it's technological, right? It's technological story.
43:01
Well look, we've been, we've been yapping for quite a bit you
43:04
want to bring this to a close here and.
43:07
I I do, I do. I kind of want to circle back
43:10
real quick just to that bigger question about why the
43:15
suppression of the the Pentagon's involvement,
43:19
awareness and active participation in this whole
43:23
phenomenon of of UFOET. Well, look that that technology
43:31
exists, including free energy technology, advanced propulsion
43:38
technology that can carry humans to the stars.
43:45
That technology exists. So what do we hear every day?
43:50
Climate change crisis, Energy crisis, countries at war over
43:56
resources. All of these things that if the
44:01
if what is what the military and its allies have essentially kept
44:09
in secret as far as technological developments that
44:14
could have a profound positive social effect for the world at
44:20
large. If those technologies were to be
44:23
brought out rather than sequestered in black budget
44:26
programs, there would be no energy crisis warring over
44:31
resources. All of these other false
44:34
narratives about, you know, climate emergency, pollution
44:39
everywhere, those things could be addressed very, very quickly.
44:45
And that it is not being rolled out to the public even though we
44:50
taxpayers have funded these covert programs.
44:54
This is serious evil and I, I I'll really emphasize that there
45:00
is serious, at least human evil that has been going on here
45:07
because we are living in this time.
45:10
Everything's a crisis. Everyone is always kept on edge
45:16
by all the propaganda that we see out there.
45:19
The this is by design. It's meant to keep us agitated
45:24
and angry. Suspicious and and add each
45:28
other in division. Rather than coming together and
45:31
and advancing as a global culture that could alleviate
45:36
these problems and it and get to the core truth about what's
45:41
going on with our history here, because that has been obscured
45:46
from us on purpose. The Urantia Book shines a bright
45:50
light on these things and it is it is such a a worthy and noble
45:58
endeavor to become aware first for oneself and then to share
46:04
that information with other people so they can see what's
46:08
going on in present times with much better context.
46:13
A a historical context and a spiritual mindset that shows how
46:19
it all the the full tapestry is is working.
46:23
Together couldn't have said it better myself.
46:26
Joel Garvin our guest here on the Rancher Radio Podcast and I
46:30
look forward to our next discussion.
46:32
I think you left a little bit there that we can continue in
46:35
our next discussion about what these energy sources are.
46:38
And and with that, Joel, I wish you Godspeed and I look forward
46:42
to our next conversation here. Thank you, Jim.
46:44
You take care the.