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49 - Lady Jane Grey - The Nine Days Queen · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: You're listening to an airwave media podcast. Hi everybody, and
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Speaker 1: welcome to her What Now the history podcast That's not
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Speaker 1: your History Class with me? Your host Kerry Charlwood, History
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Speaker 1: harlot and reader of books. It's been a week. It
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Speaker 1: has been a week everyone, I know, everyone have crossed.
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Speaker 1: In Scotland and England. The Netherlands, they're dealing with baking, hot,
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Speaker 1: roasting heat waves. In Ireland for the most part where
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Speaker 1: I live, we've had rain. We had one day of
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Speaker 1: heat right and I was supposed to take my way
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Speaker 1: so we feel like the frying up bunch of four
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Speaker 1: to seven year olds. It's probably not a good idea.
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Speaker 1: So obviously it gets canceled. And then I was off,
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Speaker 1: you know, a good few days during the week. I
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Speaker 1: was like, yeay, I'll get to enjoy some of this
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Speaker 1: beautiful heat wave and sunshine and stuff. And it rained.
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Speaker 1: It rained, so it's actually really hot today and I
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Speaker 1: can't put the fan on. I have a big standalone
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Speaker 1: fan I'm fairly certain it was made in the nineties,
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Speaker 1: maybe the eighties. It's very old, but it works very well.
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Speaker 1: So I haven't been able to turn it on because
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Speaker 1: when you really hear it, So if I had it on,
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Speaker 1: it would just be through the whole process and you're
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Speaker 1: welcome for that impression of a fan. But yeah, there's
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Speaker 1: been like a massive heat wave. But also what I've
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Speaker 1: noticed a lot, because obviously I live on the internet,
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Speaker 1: is that a lot of people who live in sort
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Speaker 1: just like, well, it's so hot all the time here,
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Speaker 1: we don't know how you can't handle it. We deal
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Speaker 1: with it all the time. And it's like, yeah, because
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Speaker 1: your infrastructure was built to deal with heat. Whereas if
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Speaker 1: you're in somewhere like London, all of the homes are
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Speaker 1: designed to trap heat, like that's it. Like my house
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Speaker 1: where I live in the middle of nowhere, our walls
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Speaker 1: to stop you freezing to death. So like in loads
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Speaker 1: of major cities, because of the way everything's designed, and
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Speaker 1: a lot of it was built by the fucking Victorians
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Speaker 1: that they just don't have the capacity to deal with
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Speaker 1: this level of heat. So lots of people are either
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Speaker 1: just working from home, either by necessity or by choice.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's really only the two options you have
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Speaker 1: in it. But that's not the point. So, yeah, today
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Speaker 1: is hot, I'm sitting in it a night shirt. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm currently sitting at a Chippendale's night shirt recording this because
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Speaker 1: it's too hot to wear anything else. Oh one more thing. Actually,
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Speaker 1: I decided to google myself, as one does. I couldn't
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Speaker 1: sleep one night. It was one of the nights where
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Speaker 1: it was hot, so I was like, I'll have away,
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Speaker 1: have away, nosey. And so there's a few Kerry Charlewoods
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Speaker 1: out there. There's a couple of us, right, And I
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Speaker 1: was scrolling down and then I saw that I was
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Speaker 1: on Comedy Dot Core at UK. I was like, what
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Speaker 1: is this. It's like I'm officially listed from when I
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Speaker 1: did Louis at o'mealan's show. There's no photo or anthing.
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Speaker 1: It's just a sweet thing. And and it's like Kerry Charlwood
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Speaker 1: is an academic. And I was like, this thing, I'll
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Speaker 1: take it. That's nice. But like seeing it there and
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Speaker 1: writing there's something incredibly validating about it, especially when it's
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Speaker 1: on something so official. But anyway, I know what you're thinking.
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Speaker 1: You're thinking, quit your jibber jabber in fact me, In
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Speaker 1: fact you I will. But first we've got to get
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Speaker 1: our source on. Our sources are Lady Jane Gray, A
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Speaker 1: Tudor Mystery by Eric Ives, Crown of Blood, The Deadly
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Speaker 1: Inheritance of Lady Jane Gray by Nikola Talis, Monarchs of
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Speaker 1: the Renaissance by Philip J. Potter, and of course we
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Speaker 1: have our favorites, History dot com, Historyextra dot co dot UK,
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Speaker 1: and The Smithsonian dot com. So are you sitting comfortably good?
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Speaker 1: Then let's begin. So today's episode, I'm sure you have
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Speaker 1: guessed by the title, is about Lady Jane Gray, the
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Speaker 1: Nine Days Queen. Now. I was first introduced to the
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Speaker 1: concept of Lady Jane Gray, not via the history books,
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Speaker 1: as one might assume, but through a video game called
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Speaker 1: Fable two. I'm fairly certain it was Fable too. I
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Speaker 1: think it was the Ghost, the Gray Ghost, or something
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Speaker 1: to that effect. But in this game she was seen
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Speaker 1: as this absolute bitch. I just I remember having that
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Speaker 1: sort of vibe off of it. It's been a while
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Speaker 1: since I played it, I actually might play again just
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Speaker 1: to just for that. But you know me and my
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Speaker 1: opinion of women in video games, especially historical women in
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Speaker 1: video games, because they tend to be displayed poorly. So
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Speaker 1: because I think I was looking up something about it,
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Speaker 1: and as such I learned about Lady Jane Gray, the
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Speaker 1: Nine Days Queen. But the way she's portrayed in sort
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Speaker 1: of modern media is she's either like an absolute bit
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Speaker 1: or she's this meek little martyr, and the truth is, like,
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Speaker 1: you know, as per usual, somewhere in the middle. So,
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Speaker 1: without further ado, let's talk about lady. Lady Jane Gray
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Speaker 1: was born somewhere between May fifteen thirty six in February
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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty seven, possibly in London, possibly at Bradgate Park
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Speaker 1: in Leicestershire. Because she's a woman from the past, so
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Speaker 1: why the fuck could we have that information? Where was
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Speaker 1: she born? Pierre kind of right? When was she born?
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Speaker 1: Roughly between this year and that year? Cool? I mean
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Speaker 1: that being said, we do actually have more information on
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Speaker 1: her birthday than we do about Anne Boleyn, So I
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Speaker 1: mean that's that's something, right. Lady jen Gray was the
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Speaker 1: daughter of Henry Gray, the first Joke of Suffolk and
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Speaker 1: Lady Francis Brandon, whose mother Mary was Henry the eighth sister,
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Speaker 1: So Larry jen Gray she's the eldest daughter. So Jene,
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Speaker 1: like Mary, Queen of scott is a direct descendant from
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Speaker 1: Henry the seventh, so she's still got you know, proper lineage,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's really funny, like when
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Speaker 1: you think about the names of the Grays. So, so
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Speaker 1: Jene is the oldest Gray, and then you've got Catherine,
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Speaker 1: and then you have Mary. So Jane was probably named
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Speaker 1: after Jane Seymour because of when she was born, and
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Speaker 1: Katherine one of those respect the crown sort of things.
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Speaker 1: It was probably either a Katherine Howard or Katherine Parr scenario.
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Speaker 1: And then Mary was probably a Lady Mary scenario, you know,
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Speaker 1: one of those. Naturally, the Grays they wanted a son
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Speaker 1: and heir. But because Jane was a descendant of Henry
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Speaker 1: the seventh, she had tuor blood, which did make her
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Speaker 1: incredibly important, especially as their oldest child, because if you
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Speaker 1: can't carry the name, you'd better be fucking useful. But
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Speaker 1: don't worry, just because she didn't have all the wiggly
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Speaker 1: boy parts doesn't mean that she couldn't still be useful
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Speaker 1: to them, because of course Jane is a good turor stock.
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Speaker 1: Luckily for them, Prince Edward was born and they thought, wow,
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Speaker 1: he's a boy, she's a girl. Can we make it
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Speaker 1: any more obvious? And as such they're like, okay, let's
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Speaker 1: get these two hitched, and in a move that surprises
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Speaker 1: absolutely no one, they start for Edward to marry Jane
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Speaker 1: in fairness because her dad went from the Marquess of
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Speaker 1: Dorset to the Duke of Suffolk, and he's thinking, wow,
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Speaker 1: I could really deal with having more power. In medieval England.
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Speaker 1: You're a good tutor stock. We're good tutor stock, eh eh.
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Speaker 1: As was the way at the time. It was very
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Speaker 1: popular for the noble children to have a humanist education,
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Speaker 1: and from the age of four years old, Jane had
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Speaker 1: a tutor because of course her parents wanted to ensure
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Speaker 1: that she had an education that made her a fit
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Speaker 1: wife for a king. So Jane was speaking Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Italian,
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Speaker 1: and she was clever right. She was also very very Protestant,
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Speaker 1: like they were all raised in the Protestant faith. That
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Speaker 1: was very much drilled into her from a young age,
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Speaker 1: Like staunch Protestantism. Because King's Protestant, You're gonna be fucking
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Speaker 1: Protestant as well, Right, That's just how it is. We've
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Speaker 1: seen what happens on the other side of this. So,
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Speaker 1: along with all of the academics, which is what she
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Speaker 1: preferred to do, sow in dancing music, she was also
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Speaker 1: trained in hunting, you know, going on hunting parties because
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Speaker 1: it was one of the pursuits of the era. And
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Speaker 1: her upbringing, which you know is fairly typical all the time,
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Speaker 1: was really fucking strict, like she couldn't do anything unless
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Speaker 1: it was perfect, Like everything she does has to be perfect.
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Speaker 1: She has to walk perfectly, she has to play perfectly,
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Speaker 1: dance perfectly, sit perfectly, speak perfectly, and if she doesn't,
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Speaker 1: then she is emotionally and physically abused. Like yeah, there's
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Speaker 1: like taunting and then calling and berating, and then there's
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Speaker 1: like pinching and nipping and of course beatings, which again
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Speaker 1: are very typical of the time. Her parents treated her
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Speaker 1: like shit, like they really did, and that's like one
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Speaker 1: of the quotes I read about her was that they
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Speaker 1: would dress her in rich silks but informed her that
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Speaker 1: she would not go far on looks alone, So Jane.
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Speaker 1: She's fair, but she's also so Jane. She's relatively pale,
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Speaker 1: but she's also got freckles, probably from going out in
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Speaker 1: all those hunting parties. But she's also got the Tudor hair,
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Speaker 1: which is sandy red. Like there's red. There's loads of
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Speaker 1: red heads. You look at the Tudors, there's just fucking
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Speaker 1: red heads everywhere. Ginger, ginger, ginger, like, loads of fucking
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Speaker 1: gingers all over the shop. And she's got sandy red hair.
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Speaker 1: And she's often described as plain rather than pretty, which
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Speaker 1: is I feel it's just like a really kind of
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Speaker 1: a non compliment. Oh what is she like? Oh she's plain? Great,
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Speaker 1: So she's not ugly, but she's not pretty either. I
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Speaker 1: feel like I don't know if that's you know what,
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Speaker 1: you know what, she's probably like TV ugly, you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean. Like there's pretty and then there's TV pretty,
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Speaker 1: and then there's TV ugly. Like I think she's probably
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Speaker 1: TV ugly. So when Jane was in her teens, she
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Speaker 1: gets moved to Henry the Eighth Courts and she becomes
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Speaker 1: a lady in waiting to his final wife, Katherine Parr, who,
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Speaker 1: like Jane and her tutor and her dad and all
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Speaker 1: them is a staunch Protestant, so you know, very much
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Speaker 1: reinforcing that in her. So when Henry the Eighth dies
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Speaker 1: in fifteen forty seven, Jane then moves to Chelsea Palace
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Speaker 1: and continues being a lady in waiting for Catherine Park.
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Speaker 1: Not long after that, Catherine marries Thomas Seymour and loses
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Speaker 1: basically all the rights she had as you know, the
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Speaker 1: King's widow. So Seymour, if you don't remember, is the
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Speaker 1: brother of Jane Seymour, and he is the current king's uncle. Seymour.
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Speaker 1: He is a sneaky, sleek out wee bastard. Let me
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Speaker 1: tell you, I fucking hate the man. He's slimy and
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Speaker 1: he's creepy as fuck. And suddenly Seymour what does he do.
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Speaker 1: He pays Jane's family a fuck ton of money to
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Speaker 1: make Jane his ward and promises them she's going to
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Speaker 1: be a Queen of England. Because the man cannot keep
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Speaker 1: his grubby hands out of anything, Like the man is
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Speaker 1: power hungry to the point of stupidity, Like he's the
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Speaker 1: reason Queen Elizabeth had to fuck off. Like the funniest
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Speaker 1: part in all this is like Thomas Seymour had absolutely
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Speaker 1: no fucking power whatsoever, Like he had no cards in
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Speaker 1: his deck, because if he had just stad an adviser
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Speaker 1: to Catherine Parr, he would have had more power than
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Speaker 1: by marrying her. But of course he has to be
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Speaker 1: a creepy motherfucker. So Thomas Eymour has no fucking power.
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Speaker 1: He has no actual way of making this marriage happen.
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Speaker 1: He's got nothing. And not only that, King Edward the
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Speaker 1: sixth wasn't interested in Jane because she was, you know,
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Speaker 1: just a regular lady of the court. He wanted to
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Speaker 1: marry Mary Quina Scott's or and I quote, a French
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Speaker 1: princess well stuffed with money when you could remember as
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Speaker 1: well Edward's what nine ten at this point, Like he's
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Speaker 1: still a fucking child. And while he's you know, a kid,
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Speaker 1: like he's susceptible to all of the people around him.
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Speaker 1: And also because he has, in fact a child, he's
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Speaker 1: not actually doing the governing of England. It's being done
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Speaker 1: by the Duke of Somerset, which is Thomas's brother, like
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Speaker 1: he was the smart one, Like he was a smart one, right,
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Speaker 1: so Somerset, he discovers the thinly veiled plot to marry
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Speaker 1: Jane to Edward, and he's like, fuck this for a
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Speaker 1: game of soldiers and basically thwarts all plans for this.
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Speaker 1: Right even so he's like, right, doesn't matter, you don't
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Speaker 1: really have power anyway. So Jane is allowed to stay.
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Speaker 1: So she stays as a lady waiting to Catherine Parr
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Speaker 1: up until Katherin Parr dies in childbirth, and at ten
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Speaker 1: years old, Jane is the chief mourner for Catherine Parr
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Speaker 1: and she is genuinely, genuinely upset about her past. So
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Speaker 1: after Catherine passes, you know, she goes home, but then
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Speaker 1: Thomas wants her back. Thomas Seymour, he wanted to keep
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Speaker 1: Jane as part of his household, so she goes back
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Speaker 1: there and she's there for like two months or so
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Speaker 1: up until the point where Thomas Seymour is arrested, after
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Speaker 1: which she's sent back home. So when she returns home,
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Speaker 1: she has to be good, meek, sober, and ready to
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Speaker 1: obey her parents. In all things cool, that's a really fun,
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Speaker 1: warm homecoming, not at all disturbing whatsoever. So obviously Jane
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Speaker 1: fucking hates being home and the only time she's happy
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Speaker 1: is when she's with her turors because one, she likes learning,
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Speaker 1: like for learning sake, it's something that she enjoys, and
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Speaker 1: also it meant she didn't have to deal with her
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Speaker 1: fucking arsehole family. Jane literally states that she is in
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Speaker 1: hell right, but because you know, very strict, horrendous upbringings
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Speaker 1: were perfectly normal in the Tudor era, she was probably
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Speaker 1: just seen as like an arsehole teenager more than anything else,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So yeah, Thomas Seymour is
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Speaker 1: executed and Jane's dad gets interrogated by the King's Council
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Speaker 1: four times, not good, and by the fourth one he's like, Hey,
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Speaker 1: anyone want to marry my daughter, you can have her.
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Speaker 1: You get a bride, You get a bride, you get
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Speaker 1: a bride. So he's like offering Jane up to like
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Speaker 1: the Lord Protector's son. He's like, hey, tutor blood, good match, nfoughy,
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Speaker 1: but like, no betrothals happen at that point, so he's
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Speaker 1: lucky to like stay out of trouble. Like, so no
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Speaker 1: betrothals happen anyway. Over the next two years, during Edward
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Speaker 1: the sixth, the ragin who is you know, super deeper
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Speaker 1: Protestant because he's a fucking child. And that's how things work.
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Speaker 1: Jane Gray and Mary Mary Tudor, they don't quite get along,
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Speaker 1: Like there's this like rift between the two of them,
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Speaker 1: and it gets worse. So because Mary is so Catholic
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Speaker 1: and Jane is so Protestant, it's like a sticking point
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Speaker 1: for both of them. So like in fifteen fifty one,
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Speaker 1: Jane visits Mary. I feel like this is just a
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Speaker 1: salty teenager thing, you know what I mean. So she says,
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Speaker 1: they're in the chapel and Mary is bowing to like
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Speaker 1: the host, which is if you're not Catholic, it's like
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Speaker 1: a round piece of pressed bread, kind of like a wafer,
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Speaker 1: and it's represented as the body of Christ right and
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Speaker 1: you take and communion, eat it and swallow and stuff.
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Speaker 1: And because you consume Jesus for some reason, you think
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Speaker 1: i'd remember. I don't anyway, So they're in the chapel
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Speaker 1: and Mary bows to, you know, the host, and she's like,
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Speaker 1: what are you doing that for? And Mary is like, well,
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Speaker 1: I bow to him who made us all, you know,
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Speaker 1: a bow to God. And in Jane and Jane says,
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Speaker 1: and I quote, how can he that made us all
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Speaker 1: be there? When the baker made him, and Mary's like,
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Speaker 1: what the actual fuck, because she's like, it's a symbolic
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Speaker 1: representation of God, it's not a literal thing. And she's like,
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Speaker 1: but that's not God because that's a baked bread good.
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Speaker 1: Like she doesn't. So you can either take it as
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Speaker 1: she doesn't quite grasp the concept or that she's just
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Speaker 1: been a dick. Either way, I'm kind of okay with it,
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Speaker 1: like whatever. So Mary, she doesn't feel like Mary. That
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Speaker 1: being said, Mary doesn't really take it to heart because
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Speaker 1: she thinks Jane's just been She's been in the game
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Speaker 1: a long time, and she sees that Jane is being
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Speaker 1: pushed from pillar to post and that she's been raised
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Speaker 1: a certain way, and so she thinks that she's more
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Speaker 1: misguided than anything else, as opposed to being venomous, you know.
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Speaker 1: So she, you know, she wants to keep it civil,
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Speaker 1: keep it friendly, and so she sends you know, Jane,
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Speaker 1: some gifts. She sends her gowns and jewels and stuff,
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Speaker 1: and Jane gets them and straight up fucking refuses to
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Speaker 1: wear them because she thinks they're just a bit too much,
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Speaker 1: that they're a little bit extra for her. Like she
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Speaker 1: prefers to be dressed more plainly as a good Protestant
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Speaker 1: woman should, so like quite a lot of that upbringing
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Speaker 1: dead rub off on her. But still it's not until
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Speaker 1: fifteen fifty three, So like what five years later where
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Speaker 1: she's actually engaged to somebody. So in May fifteen fifty
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Speaker 1: three she is betrothed to Lord Guildford Dudley, one of
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Speaker 1: the sons of John Dudley, the first Duke of Northumberland.
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Speaker 1: So John Dudley is the Lord President of the King's Council,
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Speaker 1: making him the most powerful man in the country. So
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Speaker 1: by aligning themselves with that, they've put themselves in a
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Speaker 1: prime position because Jane is but a useful pawn in
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Speaker 1: a negotiating process for power. Fuck off. So in fifteen
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Speaker 1: fifty three there's a triple wedding. You get a breid,
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Speaker 1: you get a breid, you get a bride. So Jane
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Speaker 1: marries Lord Gildford Dudley, Her sister Catherine marries Lord Herbert,
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Speaker 1: heir to the Earl of Pembroke, and Catherine Dudley Goldford's
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Speaker 1: sister marries Henry Hastings, the heir to the Earl of Huntingdon.
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Speaker 1: Seems like a lot of a political play in this
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Speaker 1: one wedding. I'm just cool. C google cuckock, cuckoo cool.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the era where marriages were arrangements.
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Speaker 1: You know. What you know juxtapos is the concept of
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Speaker 1: the courtly love, which is something that Henry the eighth
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Speaker 1: was like super into. But what efs But like, it's
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Speaker 1: so funny that she married Lord Dudley because we don't
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Speaker 1: ever refer to her like it is so rare to
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Speaker 1: have her refer to as Lady Dudley. Like now she
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Speaker 1: probably was like back then, but we're just like now
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Speaker 1: you're Jane Gray. Fuck him. Nah. So Edward the sixth
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Speaker 1: he's ruling England and he's like super extra Protestant, right,
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Speaker 1: He's like Protestant Protestant Protestant because he's a fucking child
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Speaker 1: and everything is extreme to children. So so that same year,
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Speaker 1: it is very clear that Edward is dying. So Lord
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Speaker 1: Dudley he is ruling the country and is stead Oh
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Speaker 1: actually yeah. So this is where things come to a
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Speaker 1: sort of difficult moment because Edward clearly dying. He's very sick.
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Speaker 1: The last thing that Edward wanted was for England to
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Speaker 1: end up in Catholic hands, right, So this is all
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Speaker 1: because of the Third Succession Act. So it was in
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Speaker 1: fifteen forty four, and it basically restored Henry the eighth
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Speaker 1: daughters into the line of succession because they had been removed.
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Speaker 1: They were still deemed illegitimate, mind you, but they had
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Speaker 1: been added into the line of succession thanks to Catherine
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Speaker 1: part So this act didn't just do that. It also
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Speaker 1: meant that Henry the eighth could alter the succession by
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Speaker 1: his written will and testament. And so in his will
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Speaker 1: it basically stated that you know, his three children, Edward,
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Speaker 1: then Mary, then Elizabeth would be the direct line of
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Speaker 1: succession to the throne. But not only that, but it
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Speaker 1: also stated that if none of them had kids, if
21:57
Speaker 1: they had no descendants, that the throat would pass to
22:01
Speaker 1: the heirs of his younger sister Mary so and who
22:05
Speaker 1: was in that direct line of succession Jane. So Jane
22:09
Speaker 1: was basically added into the line of succession, but her
22:12
Speaker 1: mother wasn't like she was just bypassed completely. They were like, nope,
22:16
Speaker 1: not her. Jane's next in line after the three child
22:19
Speaker 1: of royals. But he'd also like scrubbed out the possibility
22:23
Speaker 1: of his older sister Margaret's kids from claiming the English
22:27
Speaker 1: throne because they'd married Scottish nobility. He was like, NA,
22:30
Speaker 1: you stay over there, that's fine. So Edward the sixth
22:34
Speaker 1: he is fucking dying and he drafts a will because
22:39
Speaker 1: he knows fine well that the next person in line
22:42
Speaker 1: for the throne is his Catholic sister Mary, and that
22:45
Speaker 1: is the last fucking thing he wants. So initially, like
22:50
Speaker 1: the draft of the will had been stated as the
22:54
Speaker 1: male descendants of Francis Brandon and her daughters and has
23:00
Speaker 1: had no male descendants, so that's kind of ait point,
23:03
Speaker 1: and he changes it to his Protestant cousin, Lady Jane
23:08
Speaker 1: and her heirs male. So June fifteen fifty three, he
23:13
Speaker 1: has fucking nailed down his Protestant legacy. He's bypassed. He
23:18
Speaker 1: was Catholic half sister Mary and Jane Gray is the
23:23
Speaker 1: next in line to the fucking throwne bitsbash bosh. So
23:26
Speaker 1: he personally supervises the copy of his will and it's
23:30
Speaker 1: signed by like one hundred and two people like from
23:32
Speaker 1: the Privy Council, peers, bishops, judges, the whole chapang. It's
23:38
Speaker 1: passed in parliament and like. The whole plan is to
23:41
Speaker 1: have it announced officially in Parliament in like like September.
23:45
Speaker 1: But Edward dies on the sixth of July, but his
23:50
Speaker 1: death isn't like officially announced for four days later, so
23:55
Speaker 1: the tenth of July is when his death is officially announced. However,
23:59
Speaker 1: on the night of July, Jane has brought to Sion
24:02
Speaker 1: House is forced to accept the crown of England. So
24:07
Speaker 1: she arrives in this court. There's a whole fucking court
24:10
Speaker 1: waiting for her, and she's like fucking not like, nope, nope,
24:17
Speaker 1: don't want any of this. She starts literally shaking with
24:21
Speaker 1: fright because she is becoming very aware of what the
24:24
Speaker 1: fuck is happening. Dudley leads her to the throne and
24:28
Speaker 1: informs her that Edward the Sex named her his heir
24:32
Speaker 1: and she is now going to be Queen of England.
24:35
Speaker 1: The entire room kneels in front of her and she
24:39
Speaker 1: is so like overwhelmed she faints and no one thinks, oh,
24:45
Speaker 1: maybe we should help up this fainting woman who is
24:47
Speaker 1: now a fucking monarch. No, they just let her collapse
24:51
Speaker 1: in front of them. So she gets She manages to
24:53
Speaker 1: come to and she stands up and she's like shit
24:58
Speaker 1: and very very reluctantly accepts the crown. So she's standing there,
25:05
Speaker 1: she's what seventeen, sixteen, seventeen years old, standing in front
25:10
Speaker 1: of an entire court and tells them straight up that
25:16
Speaker 1: she has no right to the crown. The crown belongs
25:18
Speaker 1: to Mary. She is the rightful heir. This should not
25:22
Speaker 1: be coming to me. But again, she's a seventeen year
25:27
Speaker 1: old girl. But again, she's a sixteen seventeen year old
25:34
Speaker 1: girl in a male dominated world being bullied and pushed
25:42
Speaker 1: and fucked around, and she reluctantly has to accept it
25:47
Speaker 1: because she just fucking has to. That's just how it is.
25:50
Speaker 1: And she is mad. She did not fucking want it.
25:57
Speaker 1: So she's coerced into this situation, right, She's taken to
26:01
Speaker 1: the Tower of London to await her crowning, because here's
26:05
Speaker 1: the thing. And so she is in the Tower of
26:07
Speaker 1: London waiting. She's just but for the most part, but
26:13
Speaker 1: Larry Jane Gray is just or Queen Jane Gray suppose
26:16
Speaker 1: at this point. So over the next couple of days,
26:19
Speaker 1: so on the tenth of July, when it was like
26:22
Speaker 1: public knowledge that the king had passed, Jane is officially
26:28
Speaker 1: proclaimed Queen of England, France and Ireland. Well, she's chilling
26:32
Speaker 1: out in the Tower of London. So the way the
26:35
Speaker 1: custom goes is that between you know, ascension and coronation,
26:41
Speaker 1: you're supposed to reside in the Tower of London, Between
26:44
Speaker 1: being announced the new monarch and having the official crown
26:48
Speaker 1: on your head anointing all that jazz like, you're supposed
26:52
Speaker 1: to stay in the Tower of London, which I think
26:53
Speaker 1: for a good while was the official residence, the royal
26:57
Speaker 1: residence of the queen up until it became you know,
27:01
Speaker 1: before it became like a week prison all in its
27:03
Speaker 1: own and it all the while remember as well that
27:06
Speaker 1: Jane is married to Guildford Dudley. And this is where
27:11
Speaker 1: I love this little bit of spite and petty, because
27:13
Speaker 1: she's so indifferent to him. She doesn't give a fuck
27:15
Speaker 1: about him whatsoever. She's just not interested in his existence whatsoever.
27:20
Speaker 1: She does not name him king like prince king nothing.
27:24
Speaker 1: She's like, right, not even gonna deal with this, doesn't
27:28
Speaker 1: acknowledge it or anything. And it's that part to me
27:33
Speaker 1: is pretty funny. So so she's chilling out in the
27:36
Speaker 1: towror London and Mary straight away soon as she learns
27:41
Speaker 1: of Edward's death is like, I gotta go rally my troops.
27:44
Speaker 1: So Northumberland was out. He's trying to like fucking capture
27:48
Speaker 1: Mary and stop this. She's out rallying her troops, and
27:52
Speaker 1: so he heads out to try and get her. So
27:54
Speaker 1: the letter comes and Mary declares herself queen, and the
27:57
Speaker 1: Privy Council they actually switch from Lady Jane Gray to
28:03
Speaker 1: Mary Tudor to Lady Mary. So while the Cumberland's away,
28:07
Speaker 1: his absence is very well noted in the Privy Council
28:10
Speaker 1: and there's a coups de'ta and hence they switch asides.
28:15
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. For Mary, it was pretty easy
28:18
Speaker 1: to rally support because the country knew who she was.
28:23
Speaker 1: Nobody had a fucking clue who Lady Jane Gray was. Like,
28:28
Speaker 1: there was just this random check taking the throne and
28:31
Speaker 1: they were all like no, and by law Mary was
28:37
Speaker 1: the rightful heir, so they were like, okay, not into this.
28:41
Speaker 1: So so when the Privy Council changed their allegiance and
28:44
Speaker 1: Mary's proclaimed queen, Jane's just sitting having her supper and
28:48
Speaker 1: her dad fucking runs in like she's she's effectively alone.
28:53
Speaker 1: At this point, She's like, like, the counselors aren't there,
28:57
Speaker 1: there's barely any servants. She's effectively alone, and her father
29:01
Speaker 1: fucking bounds in the door. Her father fucking legs it
29:05
Speaker 1: in the door, poo tears down the royal canopy of estate,
29:09
Speaker 1: which is like hanging a but her chair, and he's like,
29:12
Speaker 1: you are no longer queen, and she's like a cool
29:16
Speaker 1: So when he tells her that she's like not queen anymore,
29:21
Speaker 1: this teenage girl looks up at him and just asks,
29:26
Speaker 1: may I go home now? She doesn't want to be queen.
29:29
Speaker 1: She never wants to be queen. She just wants to go.
29:32
Speaker 1: Her dad doesn't answer her, he doesn't give a response.
29:36
Speaker 1: He fucks off. Does he try and save her, Does
29:39
Speaker 1: he try and help her? No, he legs it and
29:44
Speaker 1: leaves her, lays her to her fate. Really so, not
29:48
Speaker 1: long after her dad buggers off, the guards come for her.
29:51
Speaker 1: So she gets moved from the palace, which obviously she's
29:53
Speaker 1: moved from the palace, and they put her in the
29:56
Speaker 1: house of Master Partridge, the gentleman jailor. Like as imprisonment
30:02
Speaker 1: goes it wasn't too bad. Like she was relatively comfortable.
30:05
Speaker 1: She was allowed like books to read and shit, she
30:07
Speaker 1: had all her mules with, like the jailer and his family.
30:10
Speaker 1: Like it was pretty it was all right. She was
30:12
Speaker 1: actually pretty content there. I mean, considering the situation she
30:16
Speaker 1: was in, she was quite all right. You know. So
30:20
Speaker 1: Mary at this point she's wary of like Protestant plots
30:22
Speaker 1: against her, you know, because she's you know, the Catholic queen,
30:26
Speaker 1: and because Jane, although reluctantly, had taken the throne, she
30:33
Speaker 1: was effectively guilty of treason, like and her whole plan
30:36
Speaker 1: was so the plan for Jane was to keep her
30:40
Speaker 1: in the tower and keep her sort of locked up
30:42
Speaker 1: and away up until the point that Mary had an air,
30:45
Speaker 1: because at that point it'd be like it's like, ye okay,
30:47
Speaker 1: once I've got a Catholic air, you can just scurry off.
30:50
Speaker 1: We'll just let you. We won't announce it, We'll just
30:53
Speaker 1: you can just go. It'll be fine, bish bash bosh. So,
30:57
Speaker 1: but for public appearances, Jane and Guildford they're put on
31:01
Speaker 1: trial for treason and they're sentenced where they're sentenced to
31:05
Speaker 1: death because the punishment for treason is death, but like
31:09
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be a formality where it's like, oh,
31:11
Speaker 1: we have to wait till the right day, and they
31:13
Speaker 1: would just be held indefinitely up until it was time
31:16
Speaker 1: to just be free. And like the general consensus of
31:18
Speaker 1: the court of the time was that Jane was not
31:20
Speaker 1: going to meet the executioner's acts, Like it wasn't gonna happen.
31:24
Speaker 1: So Mary, she's Queen of England, She's restored the Catholic faith,
31:28
Speaker 1: she's got the heresy laws coming, or she like burns
31:32
Speaker 1: people for not accepting it. Like there's there's this there's
31:34
Speaker 1: a weird freedom of religion thing happening, but it's which
31:38
Speaker 1: honestly is no harsher than any ruler before her from Jane,
31:42
Speaker 1: I suppose. But Jane wasn't really there long enough to
31:45
Speaker 1: miss the point. So so Mary, she wants to marry
31:48
Speaker 1: Prince Philip of Spain. But you know, this is a
31:51
Speaker 1: time where it was more important to be English. They
31:54
Speaker 1: didn't want a foreign prince ruling over them, but the
31:57
Speaker 1: country as a general rule was super keen on having
32:01
Speaker 1: a foreign prince rule over them. Enter Thomas White the Younger,
32:07
Speaker 1: which basically stilled Jane's fate. So the fifteen fifty four
32:10
Speaker 1: rebellion of Thomas White the Younger against the against Queen
32:15
Speaker 1: Mary's marriage plan with Philip of Spain. Uh well, it
32:20
Speaker 1: was a close call at one point, but you know,
32:23
Speaker 1: as we know, they were crushed. And unfortunately for Jane,
32:27
Speaker 1: her father and both his brothers were in so because
32:31
Speaker 1: her dad and her uncles were in the rebellion, so,
32:34
Speaker 1: which was bad enough because you know, it's a threat
32:38
Speaker 1: to her. So the council they're in this massive panic
32:42
Speaker 1: wicket and so, but the council was in this massive
32:45
Speaker 1: panic at this point because Jane's dad and her uncles
32:51
Speaker 1: were part of the rebellion, and her dad specifically was
32:54
Speaker 1: one of the rebel leaders.
32:56
Speaker 2: And yet again because he just cannot stop fucking things
33:01
Speaker 2: up for everybody, because he's so desperate to get his grubby,
33:05
Speaker 2: fucking hands on power which does not belong to him.
33:10
Speaker 1: Deep breath, he proclaims his daughter queen again. He's like,
33:17
Speaker 1: she's queen, She's queen. He gets crushed. Jane knows absolutely
33:22
Speaker 1: nothing about this, she's not involved in it. She's got
33:25
Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. The counselors are in a
33:28
Speaker 1: whole fucking tizzy. Not only that, it is made incredibly
33:33
Speaker 1: clear that Prince Philip of Spain is not going to
33:37
Speaker 1: return to England unless Lady Jane is removed. So Jane
33:44
Speaker 1: is sentenced to death because they have no other choice
33:47
Speaker 1: at this point, because if the men in her life
33:50
Speaker 1: had just stopped fucking things up for her, she probably
33:53
Speaker 1: would have done all right. She would have been free,
33:55
Speaker 1: like just like all they have to do was wait out.
34:02
Speaker 1: A little bit would have been grand, but no, power
34:07
Speaker 1: hungry men are power hungry. Won a surprise, Jane is
34:12
Speaker 1: informed that she's gonna die, right, and she accepts it.
34:16
Speaker 1: She's seventeen, seventeen years old. She's been put through hell.
34:22
Speaker 1: And Mary is actually really upset about this because she
34:27
Speaker 1: recognizes the situation again. She's been about the bush. She
34:31
Speaker 1: knows what it's like, and she's like, okay, oh, you know,
34:36
Speaker 1: one last sort of grasp of a straw, you know,
34:40
Speaker 1: in order to thwart the Protestant rebellion. And so Mary's like, okay,
34:46
Speaker 1: if Jane converts to Catholicism, that removes the Protestant threat,
34:50
Speaker 1: and it also means she doesn't have to get executed.
34:54
Speaker 1: So the Abbat of Westminster goes to visit Jane and
34:57
Speaker 1: informs her that, you know, if she can't her Protestant
35:00
Speaker 1: faith and conversed Catholicism, she might, you know, like this
35:05
Speaker 1: is her chance to live. But Jane has been brought
35:10
Speaker 1: up to be staunchly Protestant. It is very important to her.
35:14
Speaker 3: Her faith means as much to her as as Mary's does,
35:17
Speaker 3: you know. Jane denies this, instincts that she has no reason,
35:23
Speaker 3: and she tells the abbot that she has no desire
35:25
Speaker 3: to prolong her life and that she's not.
35:27
Speaker 1: Going to give up her God. And he is like
35:29
Speaker 1: really moved by this sort of like sincerity in her,
35:33
Speaker 1: the fact that she is so the fact that she
35:36
Speaker 1: has faith and that she is that connected to it.
35:40
Speaker 1: He is moved by this, and he asks her if
35:42
Speaker 1: he can accompany her well to her death, really and
35:47
Speaker 1: and she's like, okay, that's fine. On the eleventh of
35:51
Speaker 1: February fifteen fifty four, Jane is ready to die. On
35:55
Speaker 1: the morning of the eleventh of February fifteen fifty four,
35:58
Speaker 1: it is de day for Jane. A panel of matrons
36:03
Speaker 1: come to it, so you know, she's due for the
36:06
Speaker 1: chopping block and Guildford her husband. He wanted to mirr
36:09
Speaker 1: her and for her to like watch his death and stuff,
36:12
Speaker 1: and she was like, no, thanks, I'm good. And so
36:17
Speaker 1: that morning, a panel of matrons they come and they
36:21
Speaker 1: check her out, they examine her to make sure she's
36:23
Speaker 1: not pregnant, like they're they're so at the time, it
36:26
Speaker 1: would have been like the quickening they're looking for, like
36:28
Speaker 1: the bump, and this is kind of I mean, it's
36:31
Speaker 1: just one more thing, which is like like it's one
36:34
Speaker 1: last attempt at a get out of jail free card,
36:37
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, there she is. She has a completely vacant woman,
36:43
Speaker 1: I mean that we know of, because they deemed it
36:47
Speaker 1: like from the quickening, which is like four months. I
36:50
Speaker 1: think it's the quickening. Was it quickening? They called it
36:53
Speaker 1: basically when you start to see the bump, you know,
36:56
Speaker 1: when there's a definite sort of indication of something rowing
37:00
Speaker 1: within the womb. So I mean like technically she could
37:03
Speaker 1: have been pregnant, like very early on, like pre morning sickness,
37:08
Speaker 1: pregnant depending on when the last time she actually spent
37:11
Speaker 1: the night with her husband anyway, not important, but you know,
37:16
Speaker 1: for all of becks and purposes, not pregnant. So Jene
37:18
Speaker 1: She puts on the black dress that she had worn
37:21
Speaker 1: to her trial, and she waits at the window and
37:24
Speaker 1: watches as her husband walks towards his death. She watches
37:28
Speaker 1: him surrounded by guards, sobbing as he walks towards the plinth,
37:34
Speaker 1: and not long after, she watches the cart carry his bloody,
37:39
Speaker 1: decapitated corpse backwards. Then it's time, so Jane walks to
37:45
Speaker 1: the scaffold, arm in arm with her jailer, and she
37:48
Speaker 1: is her like nurse and ladies and waiting like they're
37:54
Speaker 1: in tears. There. They are crying behind her. They are
37:59
Speaker 1: just greef stricken already, like they're just really massively upset
38:04
Speaker 1: and they cannot contain and they cannot contain it right
38:08
Speaker 1: waiting there is the abbot who promised to be there
38:10
Speaker 1: with her, which is nice. So Jane stands in front
38:14
Speaker 1: of the crowd and tells them that by law she
38:18
Speaker 1: has come to die, and that she was guilty because
38:21
Speaker 1: she took the throne, but that she was innocent because
38:25
Speaker 1: she didn't want it. She asks the abbot to join
38:28
Speaker 1: her in prayers, but he's too upset. He's so upset
38:33
Speaker 1: he cannot actually pray with her. So she recites her
38:37
Speaker 1: own prayers, and so the executioner he tries to help her,
38:41
Speaker 1: like under her gown, and she's like, nope, I'll do
38:45
Speaker 1: it myself. Thanks, So gets herself ready, disrobes as much
38:51
Speaker 1: as the executioner kneels before her and apologizes and asks
38:56
Speaker 1: for her forgiveness. She forgives him obviously, just Jane. So
39:01
Speaker 1: she sees the block and he gets sort of standing
39:04
Speaker 1: in front of it, and she's like, please tell me
39:07
Speaker 1: it's going to be quick, and so she's worried that
39:10
Speaker 1: it's not going to be fast, and she's worried that
39:12
Speaker 1: she's not going to be knelt down in time before
39:16
Speaker 1: the axe comes down. So, as per custom, Jane's eyes
39:20
Speaker 1: have to be covered, so she blindfolds herself, but then
39:24
Speaker 1: can't actually find the block with her hands, and she
39:28
Speaker 1: just starts panicking because she's grasping the air. She's desperate
39:31
Speaker 1: to find this block. She's trying to find, you know,
39:34
Speaker 1: and she knows now that death is coming, Like she
39:38
Speaker 1: can't see. She does know what's happening, she doesn't know
39:41
Speaker 1: what it's going to feel, like all of those things
39:44
Speaker 1: going through your head. It's just it's a fucking lot really,
39:48
Speaker 1: so she's grabbing the air, she can't grab the block,
39:52
Speaker 1: and she like cries and panic like what should I do?
39:55
Speaker 1: Where is it? And then somebody or not entirely sure
39:58
Speaker 1: her manages to like get her to the block. So
40:01
Speaker 1: as she lays there on her head on the block,
40:03
Speaker 1: Jane states, lowered into thy hands, I commend my spirit,
40:08
Speaker 1: which is like the last words Jesus supposedly said. So
40:12
Speaker 1: she says that, and then Axe comes down loves her
40:16
Speaker 1: head off in one sort of one clean swoop, just
40:20
Speaker 1: right down, one slice done. So the executioner lifts her
40:25
Speaker 1: head up proclaims, behold the head of a traitor body.
40:29
Speaker 1: So Guildford, his body was removed pretty sharpish, because you know,
40:32
Speaker 1: Jane was next up on the chopping block. Like this
40:34
Speaker 1: is very much an oo and also ick. But for me,
40:37
Speaker 1: the seventeen year old girls half naked body was left.
40:43
Speaker 1: It was just left on the scaffold for fucking hours
40:47
Speaker 1: before she gets buried in the chapel. So, like car
40:50
Speaker 1: and Guildford, they're buried on the north side of Tower Queen,
40:54
Speaker 1: and like eleven days later, her dad is oh so
40:57
Speaker 1: beheaded on Tower Hill and almost immediately her mother gets remarried,
41:05
Speaker 1: She's like, get not by. She receives a fill pardon
41:09
Speaker 1: from Mary, gets remarried, and like not only like lives
41:13
Speaker 1: through Mary's reign, but also sees Elizabeth assent, but also
41:16
Speaker 1: sees Elizabeth assent to the throne. So yeah, that is
41:20
Speaker 1: the story of Lady Jane Pray the Nine Days Gleen.
41:24
Speaker 1: I mean, that's fucking tragic whatever way you look at it,
41:27
Speaker 1: like it's just awful, and you know what, but like
41:31
Speaker 1: what's funny as well, is it's not just not funny haha.
41:34
Speaker 1: But you know, Lady Jane's sisters also had quite tragic lives.
41:41
Speaker 1: It's like a whole thing. It's just one thing after another.
41:45
Speaker 1: It's like so much tom fuckeray, Like it's ridiculous. I mean,
41:50
Speaker 1: I think I probably cover their stories in some bitysoides
41:53
Speaker 1: because fuck me, it's so horrible, this shit that all
41:58
Speaker 1: these women had to go through, and we're put through
42:01
Speaker 1: by shitty men. So therein lies the story of Lady
42:06
Speaker 1: Jane Gray, the Nine Days Queen. So what did we
42:11
Speaker 1: learned today? We learned that historically men are shit and
42:18
Speaker 1: that sometimes words aren't worth the paper they're quilled on.
42:22
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's quilled a word. I feel like
42:25
Speaker 1: quill is the you know what I mean written down.
42:27
Speaker 1: I was gonna say printed on, but it would signd
42:30
Speaker 1: And that Christian dog more really has a lot to
42:33
Speaker 1: fucking answer for. Kind of weird to me that nobody
42:36
Speaker 1: thought to mention that children are not responsible over the
42:39
Speaker 1: sins of their fathers. Nobody thought to throw that in
42:42
Speaker 1: there and be like, look, this is the Catholic way.
42:46
Speaker 1: But anyway, fuck it, fuck it just shit they'row shit ah. AnyWho.
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Speaker 1: slash Who Did What Now? Pod? And it is recommendation
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Speaker 1: time reading. I am going to recommend The Dead Duke,
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Speaker 1: the Secret Wife and the Missing Corpse. It it's it's
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Speaker 1: one of those weird historical true crime things that just
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Speaker 1: absolutely it was. It took me a while to get
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Speaker 1: my head around it. I really enjoyed it. I love that.
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Speaker 1: I love that shit though. So for listening, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to recommend Rebel Robin Surviving Hawkins, a Strange Things podcast.
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Speaker 1: It's if you like stranger things, you might like it.
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Speaker 1: And for watching, go see Love and Thunder like that's it.
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Speaker 1: Love and Thunder more Taiga, just more Taiga and everything,
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Speaker 1: lots of Tiger, very much into Taig. You deserve this.
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Speaker 1: Treat yourself too, fun always. So I heard that there's
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Speaker 1: like a four hour version of the movie, which is
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Speaker 1: just like ridiculous silly jokes and stuff, and I would
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Speaker 1: absolutely watch that, not a doubt. And with that I
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Speaker 1: shall say goodbye and I will chat to you next time.
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Speaker 1: Adios or revoir of what is my friends A bye
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